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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Joining us now is one of our good friends on
the show. He's the owner and editor in chief at
Fantasy Points. You ought to follow them all the times
and subscribe to all of their work. It's the great
Joe Dolan. Welcome back, Joe. How you doing?
Speaker 2 (00:13):
You're all right, guys, How are y'all?
Speaker 1 (00:15):
We are fantastic. We are excited. The football's around the corner.
We can't wait too uh. Look, and in the month
of July, we're actually going to watch a football game together,
the Hall of Fame Game. Can you believe it? Are
you excited to watch five minutes of it and fall asleep?
Because I am. I can't wait not watching.
Speaker 2 (00:31):
The Hall of Fame game, Guys, I can't do it now.
I will tell you we have ciccos at Fantasy Points
who actually play preseason fantasy football, and we do cover it.
I am not one of those siccos. I cannot get
myself to do it.
Speaker 1 (00:46):
You do it.
Speaker 2 (00:47):
The only thing I hope for during the preseason is
that people don't get hurt. That's really all.
Speaker 1 (00:52):
Yeah, this is why you'll you won't see a person
on that field come Hall of Fame weekend. That truly
matters at the top of the heap there, but we'll
be watching no matter what happens. At least I will
be all right, Joe, Let's get into it here. I
want to talk first of all about the Falcons. I
know this Netflix series is out Quarterback. I have not
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watched it yet, But get back to the Kirk Cousins discussion.
Obviously he's on the hook for twenty seven and a
half million, but I want to talk about Michael PENNOCKX
and what he was able to do in those last
three games. Have you seen enough? Because I think a
lot of folks around the NFL assume that they've got
their guy, they're on their way. Have you seen enough
from Pinnicks or do you need to see a little
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more in those three games where he had three touchdowns,
three picks, mixed results, but certainly had some promise on
those throws.
Speaker 2 (01:42):
Mean, look, the thing about Pennix was you think of
a small sample size like that, and you always need
to see more, guys. I don't think I don't think
I'm breaking any news to you. You know, just a
couple of years ago, based on his rookie season, it
looked like Mac Jones is going to be a really
good start quarterback in the league. Maybe not a star,
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but certainly a functional quality starting quarterback. So ruling Michael
Pennix on those just few games that he had would
be just complete malpractice. Now, the thing about Pennix was
we charted him Fantasy points data as being generally inaccurate. However,
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he also made some really impressive throws, So you want
to know how much do you weigh that? Right? And honestly,
I feel like there's kind of a debate going on
in football media at large right now, is are we
in ways overrating guys who do aesthetically pleasing things the
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way that the position's supposed to be played quote unquote
visa the guys who surely get results. And I would
say Penix, based on what I saw from him last
year in a very small sample size, is a guy
who made some oh my goodness Wolph rose and interspersed
that with a lot of well, I'm not too sure
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about that, but there's no way I can draw on
entire conclusion about Michael Pennix. He's a player who for
fantasy is getting drafted as a number two quarterback. He's
got a couple of really good wide receivers. If you
look at production, guys, I know Michael Pennis had a
connection with Drake London, which is why Drake London's going
really early for fantasy. But if you look at if
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you look at the production, you'd be shocked to see
how close Darnell Mooney was to Drake London last year.
So they have a couple of good receivers, and they
have for my money, one of the two or three
best running backs in the NFL. This is a team
that should score points this year. But and Michael Pennocks
I think has a good situation. He did some good things.
He didn't look lost, but there are certainly things for
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him to improve upon, and the Falcons are making the
right decision. Clearly was going with him as a starter.
Speaker 1 (03:58):
Let's shift over to Carolina Division. I have well, obviously
it's a team that's near and near to a lot
of the hearts of our listeners. And I've covered this
team for many many years through thick and thin, a
lot of thin lately. Let's talk about their skill group.
I mean this is I saw Bill Barnwell had an
article today at ESPN where he had them ranked thirty
first among receiver group, and look, I think a lot
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of that's based on projection. They added, uh, you know
McMillan from Arizona, who I think highly of, but again
we don't know yet. And then they've got Feelan who's
on the plus side of thirty five. His average separation
screw I would imagine is not too hot based on
your metrics. But then they got guys like Jalen Coker,
Legett and others that are in the fold, Hunter Renfro,
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They've added. What to make of that group? As Bryce
Young inners year three?
Speaker 2 (04:47):
There, Joe, I think it's got a lot more potential
than maybe you might think, because I think Xavier league
get would be the first person to tell you that
he needed to catch a few more passes than he
did last year. But we saw some we saw some
positive things with him. We saw Bryce Young develop a
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relatively positive relationship with Jalen Cocher right now, who obviously,
from from a fantasy football perspective, is uried right now,
but certainly to be somebody that Bryce Young could could
continue to develop a relationship with tet Tyroe McMillan we
had as the number one receiver in the draft, clus
I don't think that's gonna surprise anybody. I know there
were some out there, and this is a very popular comparison,
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so I'm not I'm not gonna say I'm coming up
with something unique, but a lot out there who actually
compared him favorably to Drake London. And honestly, I know
some people, including some on our staff, who liked him
better than Drake London coming out. So I think there's
an opportunity for tet Tyroea McMillan to really do some
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good things. A guy I'm interested to see this year
is Jatavian Sanders. I want to see if Jatavian Sanders
can take a step forward because he has a lot
of ability, and sometimes it takes these tight ends a
number of years to really come into their own. I
know we've seen it in recent years with obviously Brock
Bauers and Sam Laporta, even the last couple of years,
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rookies coming in and making immediate impacts at that position.
But those guys were first round draft picks. Sam Laporta
was an early second round draft pick. Jatavian Sanders was
a later draft pick than that. So he's got some
ability and I think the Panthers are doing the right thing.
I don't think there's a hierarchy here. I think Adam
Zealen is going to start, by the way, just because
of the veteran And you mentioned his average separation score.
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I was stammering a little bit because I wanted to
look that up while we were on the air. We
do have a metric at Fantasy Points called average separation score.
It does have a cheeky and I unintended.
Speaker 1 (06:51):
The shirts today voks, but figure it out.
Speaker 2 (06:55):
An one hundred or more routes run. Last year those
there were two hundred and sixty five of them we charted.
Adam Feeling was actually thirty second in average seven. Wow. Wow,
he could still separate an elite level that's top ten
percent in leak. As a matter of fact, let me
let me give you a comparison. He was right behind Koukaakua,
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he was tied with Tyreek Hill, and he was ahead
of these four names, all of whom are going really
early in fantasy football drafts, Courtland Sutton, Marvin Harrison, Garrett Wilson,
and Calvin Ridley. Yeah, so Adam Feeling is still a
master separator.
Speaker 1 (07:30):
Good ass, right, there average separation score. I did Fantasy points.
Done's got a question for it.
Speaker 2 (07:38):
Adam Feeling would be the first to tell you that
it's not all athleticism. It's no how No, he still
knows how to get open. So I think they're going
to They're going to let him prove he can't play
until they put somebody on the field over here.
Speaker 1 (07:51):
And he's still got just amazing ability to make these
acrobatic catches. I mean, he saw it last year with
Bryce in some of those games where there were near
miss is against great teams. Stealen was the guy that
that had the trust of the quarterback. We'll see what happens.
What's going on ahead.
Speaker 2 (08:07):
I want to talk about a little bit about the
you know, you mentioned the reference to Piladelphi Eagles a
little bit earlier. I think the Eagles are actually number
one on Bill Barnwell Blitz today. But we talked about
philad Up Eagles, and we know what an impressive season
they had and obviously the rookie defensive backs Queen and
Mitchell Cooper de Jean were a big reason for that.
There is documented video guys out there of Cooper de
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Jean being asked Hey, when did you feel like you
were an NFL player? And he said, essentially, I'm paraphraking.
He's like, yeah, when Adam Steel and ate me.
Speaker 1 (08:37):
For lunch, Yes, exactly, I remember this.
Speaker 2 (08:39):
Yeah, And he's the only don't look at the rookie
season Cooper degene had was incredible, you know, he was.
He's already one of the best slot forigners in the NFL.
But he he is on videos say yeah, Adam Feelin
kicked my ass and and that goes to show you
what Celing can still do.
Speaker 1 (08:57):
Yeah, no doubt about it.
Speaker 3 (08:59):
Joe uh speaking of, you know, being buried from a fantasy,
fantasy perspective, Let's talk Arthur Smith's tight ends.
Speaker 2 (09:07):
Is he going to use them?
Speaker 3 (09:08):
He's got nineteen of them, We talked, we had a
question of the day if you can clone eleven guys,
I think Arthur Smith's trying to have eleven tight ends
out on the field.
Speaker 1 (09:16):
Throw you never utilized a single one anywhere but past catching.
Speaker 3 (09:20):
What do you make of the the the Minca Jonu
Smith trade, the Jayleen Ramsey trade, and how do you
feel about Arthur Smith collecting these tight ends?
Speaker 1 (09:28):
Is he gonna utilize them? This year because he's got
Aaron Rodgers.
Speaker 2 (09:34):
You know there is there is a time a couple
of years ago when the John new Smith's file thing
was go down in Atlanta and the Bjohn Robinson Tyler
all to your brainless split of warkload, when I would
go out of my way to drive to ups for
other than go to I was not enriching the Smith's
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family any more. But like I have to give Arthur
Smith some credit. He was onto something about John new
Smith used to be Kyle Pitt's. Yeah, because last year
it was evident Johnny Smith was a better football player.
And the thing is with with Pittsburgh, Number one, you
expect Pittsburgh to be a little run heavier. But how
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much influence is Aaron Rodgers gonna have you? The fact
that they traded for John new Smith suggests Arthur Smith
has significant influence here. But Aaron Rodgers is not going
to go out there and run the same offense Desmond
Ritter ran two years ago. It's just not going to
happen because that's Aaron Rodgers. Now. Aaron Rodgers might at
the stage of his career say I want to bolster
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my Hall of Fame resume if I managed to drag
the Steelers team to the super Bowl. It's gonna be
one of the great stories ever. And he might decide,
you know what I'm gonna I'm just gonna capitulate a
little bit to my coaches. I think there's an opportunity
here for john new Smith to be second on this
team in targets behind obviously DK Meck get healthy, he's
going to leave the team in targets. But it was
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the rare trade where we lost two fantasy viable sets
because Johnny Smith was getting drafted as a top ten
tight end for fantasy and Pat fryar Muth was getting
drafted as like a top fifteen or sixteen tight end
for fantasy. Those ADPs have just completely plummeted because nobody
knows a what the split's going to be, b how
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much they're even going to throw the football in general.
So it becomes john and Smith is a really good
football player. He was excellent for fantasy last year. And
Arthur Smith I've shown the ability to use him. But
Ryan Mout's a different kind of player. Friar Muth is,
you know, more of your traditional inline. You know, we
compared Colston Loveland to Tyler Warren throughout the pre draft
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process when it was you know, maybe the Panthers were
considering one of those two guys. The Briar Muth was
much more of the Tyler Warren type of tight end
get in there helped the run game, may be a
red zone option, while John new Smith is somebody who's
scheme things up for Unfortunately, I'm not sure there's going
to be enough volume here for either one of these
guys to be anything more than kind of like a
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bench asset for for fantasy football. So it was a
trade when it happened that nobody in the fantasy industry
likes just because we know what Arthur Smith likes to do.
He likes to prove that he's smarter than everybody else.
And sometimes he calls a nifty play. Other times you're like,
why is Tyler Alger in there? When Dejon Robinson is running.
Speaker 1 (12:29):
All over the beam tossed to nage.
Speaker 2 (12:34):
Darnell Washington's there by the way, Guys like he's a
talented guy. Does he become somebody who gets used? It's
from a fantasy football perspective, this is one I want
to follow throughout training camp. Guys, I want to follow
the reports. That's what I'm going to do, because look,
they're going to use john new Smith right now. If
I had to wager, I think Johnny Smith's second on
this team in targets. I just don't know if that
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second on this team in targets is good enough to
sustain fantasy and production.
Speaker 1 (13:00):
So what happens We're talking to Joe Dolan here Fantasy
points dot Com. By the way, what happens with TJ.
Speaker 2 (13:04):
Watt?
Speaker 1 (13:04):
I know you tweeted out a couple of days ago,
might not be the best idea to give him a
Miles Garrett type of deal. Where are they at do
you think? And where do they land on that? Where
would you land on that?
Speaker 2 (13:15):
Well? I wonder if they're thought between a rock and
a hard place right now, I said, I don't think
a Mile Garrett type extension would age well for t J. Watt,
But I think they're going to give it to him anyway.
And idea like he watscott leverage right now? Right he's
over thirty, he is some of his advanced mettrics like
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his his win rate isn't nearly as high as some
of the elite guys, like he's more of a he
gets his sacks, but he finishes. But let's just say
he finishes a higher percentage of the plays he wins
that he wins plays like he's more of a sacker
than a disruptor. He's not out there constantly wreaking havoct
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but when he does, he finishes the play. That's why
I'm a little bit concerned about his production metrics. But look,
they brought in Aaron Rodgers, they traded for Johnny Smith,
they traded for DK Metcalf. This is not a team
that's going to be like, oh, you know what we're
building for the future here, man, we got t TJ. Watt.
While I can you know they trade Look, I think
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I actually I think they came ahead in the trade
because I think at this point, Jalen Ramsey's better football
player than MIKEA fits faster. They also traded a younger
player in MIKEA. Fitzpatrick for Jalen Ramsey, who's older than
Everything suggests here that they've kind of backed themselves into
a wall with TJ. Watt. TJ. Watt sees that, and
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I think EJ. Fott is going to become one of
the highest aed defensive players in football, and I think
it'll get done before the season.
Speaker 1 (14:47):
And then there's Trey Hendrickson over in Cincinnati. We're also, uh,
they went ahead just as a reinforcement, I guess, to
draft Shamar Stewart. He decides this is pretty cool. Why
this is pretty cool? I'm not reporting either. I don't
like this contract, crap, your throw it at me. But
Hendrickson on the plus side of thirty obviously thirty one,
now I believe you'd be paying him on production, not
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future projection. And that's the problem with what Hendrickson wants.
He wants Miles Garrett money. That to me, that's as
much of a red flag because he's had great production
in a very short window the past couple of years.
But you never get faster and you never get better
the older you get, especially at that age. I'd be
worried if they gave him big money, and I don't know.
Speaker 2 (15:28):
If they will, But guys, you cannot possibly you could
get anybody from anywhere who might not have never even
heard of the Cincinnati Bengals on this program in my spot,
and they would be just as good at projecting what
the Cincinnati Bengals are going to do. Money wise, because
I cannot tell you they don't have their first round
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pick in camp. And look, I know what's going on
with the second round picks. I know obviously the language
in those contracts means virtually none of them are signed.
But Stuart I believe he is the only first rounder
who hasn't signed. He doesn't look anywhere close to signing.
And then they've done guys. I don't know. I just
don't know. And you know, Joe Burrow wants them to
pay everybody. Joe Burrow doesn't have an owner like Jeffrey
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Laurie in Philadelphia who is willing to pay these dead
pack years to help keep a great team together. If
they signed Trey Henderson tomorrow, I wouldn't be shocked. If
they traded them tomorrow, I wouldn't be shocked. Cincinnati is
just one of those teams that the ownership is such
a wild card that it's hard to even talk about
from that regard.
Speaker 1 (16:34):
Finally, Joe Dolan Fantasy points dot Com is our guest here.
I think the most intriguing team right now, and again
this can change from week to week based on a
lot of factors, but the Vikings are fascinating. They are
stacked across the board on both sides of the ball.
They've improved that offensive line in the interior where it
was a mess last year. But the quarterback situation we
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know is a huge question mark because we have not
seen this young quarterback J. M. McCarthy play a single
snap in the regular season. What do you make of
that situation? What are your expectations for that team? Could
it be that they could I don't want to say
bring Kirk Cousins back at trade deadline time, but what
if they come out of the gate at four and
five or five and five? Are they going to stay
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the course with him? Because they're in a win now
mode with that roster.
Speaker 2 (17:20):
Go tell you fantasy football fact first. J. J. McCarthy
is my most drafted quarterback right now in fantasy football
because look at what we have seen from the Kevin
O'Connell offense major Kirk Cousins a couple of years ago.
I remember on Christmas Eve when Kirk Cousins was injured,
sitting here in my office watching I was on serious
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sext time at the time, watching the Minnesota Vikings play
on Christmas Eve with Nick Mullins at quarterback. No, this
guy is throwing hot air balloons into the air. I
mean it is just they are going up and they're
coming down and into defense fifty yards and played one
of the worst games I saw all year. So and
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then we saw Sam Donald last year come in orlay
that into a hundred million dollar contract. Funny, there's some
funny money involved there, but still one hundred million dollar contract.
And we knew Sam Donald stunk, right. I know he
had a couple of moments with the Panthers, but as
has happened with Sam Donald faltered, well, we don't know
JJ McCarthy stinks. What if he doesn't. When I'm drafting
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a quarterback like that, who's getting drafted at like quarterback
sixteen or seventeen, you want to start asking yourself, what
if something good happens? And something good has always happened
with Kevin O'Connell quarterback, and he has the addict of mobility.
We also have them projected to be one of the
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past heaviest teams in the NFL. We have we have
j McCarthy in the top five and projected pass attempts
this year. So I'm going to be bullish on him.
What if he is good and if he is. Look,
they won thirteen games last year with Sam Donald. Yeah,
all right, now there is some again talking about funny money.
There was some funny money going on there and that
got exposed. But there is a lot of talent on
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this offense and the coaching staff that I truly believe in. Moreover,
JJ McCarthy is more mobile than Sam Donald. He is
going to be one of my most drafted quarterbacks. I
think his mobility opens up something in this offense that
neither Sam Donald nor especially Kirk Cousins could provide it.
I think we might see Kevin O'Connell get into his
bag a little bit this year.
Speaker 1 (19:29):
Well to see how it goes. Joe Dolan Fantasy Points
dot Com let us know, tease it all out for us.
Where can we find the work as we ramp up
to the start of the regular season, My friend, you can.
Speaker 2 (19:40):
Find my work on Fantasy points dot com. But this week,
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Speaker 1 (20:01):
We'll be doing that. He's allergic to Arthur Smith talk.
That's what it is. It's it's not a bad case.
Gets some clarton for that bad case of Arthur Smith.
Speaker 2 (20:09):
I you got there.
Speaker 1 (20:11):
We'll see it. Joe, What can Brown do for you?
Speaker 2 (20:14):
Many by
Joining us now is one of our good friends on
the show. He's the owner and editor in chief at
Fantasy Points. You ought to follow them all the times
and subscribe to all of their work. It's the great
Joe Dolan. Welcome back, Joe. How you doing?
Speaker 2 (00:13):
You're all right, guys, How are y'all?
Speaker 1 (00:15):
We are fantastic. We are excited. The football's around the corner.
We can't wait too uh. Look, and in the month
of July, we're actually going to watch a football game together,
the Hall of Fame Game. Can you believe it? Are
you excited to watch five minutes of it and fall asleep?
Because I am. I can't wait not watching.
Speaker 2 (00:31):
The Hall of Fame game, Guys, I can't do it now.
I will tell you we have ciccos at Fantasy Points
who actually play preseason fantasy football, and we do cover it.
I am not one of those siccos. I cannot get
myself to do it.
Speaker 1 (00:46):
You do it.
Speaker 2 (00:47):
The only thing I hope for during the preseason is
that people don't get hurt. That's really all.
Speaker 1 (00:52):
Yeah, this is why you'll you won't see a person
on that field come Hall of Fame weekend. That truly
matters at the top of the heap there, but we'll
be watching no matter what happens. At least I will
be all right, Joe, Let's get into it here. I
want to talk first of all about the Falcons. I
know this Netflix series is out Quarterback. I have not
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watched it yet, But get back to the Kirk Cousins discussion.
Obviously he's on the hook for twenty seven and a
half million, but I want to talk about Michael PENNOCKX
and what he was able to do in those last
three games. Have you seen enough? Because I think a
lot of folks around the NFL assume that they've got
their guy, they're on their way. Have you seen enough
from Pinnicks or do you need to see a little
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more in those three games where he had three touchdowns,
three picks, mixed results, but certainly had some promise on
those throws.
Speaker 2 (01:42):
Mean, look, the thing about Pennix was you think of
a small sample size like that, and you always need
to see more, guys. I don't think I don't think
I'm breaking any news to you. You know, just a
couple of years ago, based on his rookie season, it
looked like Mac Jones is going to be a really
good start quarterback in the league. Maybe not a star,
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but certainly a functional quality starting quarterback. So ruling Michael
Pennix on those just few games that he had would
be just complete malpractice. Now, the thing about Pennix was
we charted him Fantasy points data as being generally inaccurate. However,
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he also made some really impressive throws, So you want
to know how much do you weigh that? Right? And honestly,
I feel like there's kind of a debate going on
in football media at large right now, is are we
in ways overrating guys who do aesthetically pleasing things the
(02:46):
way that the position's supposed to be played quote unquote
visa the guys who surely get results. And I would
say Penix, based on what I saw from him last
year in a very small sample size, is a guy
who made some oh my goodness Wolph rose and interspersed
that with a lot of well, I'm not too sure
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about that, but there's no way I can draw on
entire conclusion about Michael Pennix. He's a player who for
fantasy is getting drafted as a number two quarterback. He's
got a couple of really good wide receivers. If you
look at production, guys, I know Michael Pennis had a
connection with Drake London, which is why Drake London's going
really early for fantasy. But if you look at if
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you look at the production, you'd be shocked to see
how close Darnell Mooney was to Drake London last year.
So they have a couple of good receivers, and they
have for my money, one of the two or three
best running backs in the NFL. This is a team
that should score points this year. But and Michael Pennocks
I think has a good situation. He did some good things.
He didn't look lost, but there are certainly things for
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him to improve upon, and the Falcons are making the
right decision. Clearly was going with him as a starter.
Speaker 1 (03:58):
Let's shift over to Carolina Division. I have well, obviously
it's a team that's near and near to a lot
of the hearts of our listeners. And I've covered this
team for many many years through thick and thin, a
lot of thin lately. Let's talk about their skill group.
I mean this is I saw Bill Barnwell had an
article today at ESPN where he had them ranked thirty
first among receiver group, and look, I think a lot
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of that's based on projection. They added, uh, you know
McMillan from Arizona, who I think highly of, but again
we don't know yet. And then they've got Feelan who's
on the plus side of thirty five. His average separation
screw I would imagine is not too hot based on
your metrics. But then they got guys like Jalen Coker,
Legett and others that are in the fold, Hunter Renfro,
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They've added. What to make of that group? As Bryce
Young inners year three?
Speaker 2 (04:47):
There, Joe, I think it's got a lot more potential
than maybe you might think, because I think Xavier league
get would be the first person to tell you that
he needed to catch a few more passes than he
did last year. But we saw some we saw some
positive things with him. We saw Bryce Young develop a
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relatively positive relationship with Jalen Cocher right now, who obviously,
from from a fantasy football perspective, is uried right now,
but certainly to be somebody that Bryce Young could could
continue to develop a relationship with tet Tyroe McMillan we
had as the number one receiver in the draft, clus
I don't think that's gonna surprise anybody. I know there
were some out there, and this is a very popular comparison,
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so I'm not I'm not gonna say I'm coming up
with something unique, but a lot out there who actually
compared him favorably to Drake London. And honestly, I know
some people, including some on our staff, who liked him
better than Drake London coming out. So I think there's
an opportunity for tet Tyroea McMillan to really do some
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good things. A guy I'm interested to see this year
is Jatavian Sanders. I want to see if Jatavian Sanders
can take a step forward because he has a lot
of ability, and sometimes it takes these tight ends a
number of years to really come into their own. I
know we've seen it in recent years with obviously Brock
Bauers and Sam Laporta, even the last couple of years,
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rookies coming in and making immediate impacts at that position.
But those guys were first round draft picks. Sam Laporta
was an early second round draft pick. Jatavian Sanders was
a later draft pick than that. So he's got some
ability and I think the Panthers are doing the right thing.
I don't think there's a hierarchy here. I think Adam
Zealen is going to start, by the way, just because
of the veteran And you mentioned his average separation score.
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I was stammering a little bit because I wanted to
look that up while we were on the air. We
do have a metric at Fantasy Points called average separation score.
It does have a cheeky and I unintended.
Speaker 1 (06:51):
The shirts today voks, but figure it out.
Speaker 2 (06:55):
An one hundred or more routes run. Last year those
there were two hundred and sixty five of them we charted.
Adam Feeling was actually thirty second in average seven. Wow. Wow,
he could still separate an elite level that's top ten
percent in leak. As a matter of fact, let me
let me give you a comparison. He was right behind Koukaakua,
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he was tied with Tyreek Hill, and he was ahead
of these four names, all of whom are going really
early in fantasy football drafts, Courtland Sutton, Marvin Harrison, Garrett Wilson,
and Calvin Ridley. Yeah, so Adam Feeling is still a
master separator.
Speaker 1 (07:30):
Good ass, right, there average separation score. I did Fantasy points.
Done's got a question for it.
Speaker 2 (07:38):
Adam Feeling would be the first to tell you that
it's not all athleticism. It's no how No, he still
knows how to get open. So I think they're going
to They're going to let him prove he can't play
until they put somebody on the field over here.
Speaker 1 (07:51):
And he's still got just amazing ability to make these
acrobatic catches. I mean, he saw it last year with
Bryce in some of those games where there were near
miss is against great teams. Stealen was the guy that
that had the trust of the quarterback. We'll see what happens.
What's going on ahead.
Speaker 2 (08:07):
I want to talk about a little bit about the
you know, you mentioned the reference to Piladelphi Eagles a
little bit earlier. I think the Eagles are actually number
one on Bill Barnwell Blitz today. But we talked about
philad Up Eagles, and we know what an impressive season
they had and obviously the rookie defensive backs Queen and
Mitchell Cooper de Jean were a big reason for that.
There is documented video guys out there of Cooper de
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Jean being asked Hey, when did you feel like you
were an NFL player? And he said, essentially, I'm paraphraking.
He's like, yeah, when Adam Steel and ate me.
Speaker 1 (08:37):
For lunch, Yes, exactly, I remember this.
Speaker 2 (08:39):
Yeah, And he's the only don't look at the rookie
season Cooper degene had was incredible, you know, he was.
He's already one of the best slot forigners in the NFL.
But he he is on videos say yeah, Adam Feelin
kicked my ass and and that goes to show you
what Celing can still do.
Speaker 1 (08:57):
Yeah, no doubt about it.
Speaker 3 (08:59):
Joe uh speaking of, you know, being buried from a fantasy,
fantasy perspective, Let's talk Arthur Smith's tight ends.
Speaker 2 (09:07):
Is he going to use them?
Speaker 3 (09:08):
He's got nineteen of them, We talked, we had a
question of the day if you can clone eleven guys,
I think Arthur Smith's trying to have eleven tight ends
out on the field.
Speaker 1 (09:16):
Throw you never utilized a single one anywhere but past catching.
Speaker 3 (09:20):
What do you make of the the the Minca Jonu
Smith trade, the Jayleen Ramsey trade, and how do you
feel about Arthur Smith collecting these tight ends?
Speaker 1 (09:28):
Is he gonna utilize them? This year because he's got
Aaron Rodgers.
Speaker 2 (09:34):
You know there is there is a time a couple
of years ago when the John new Smith's file thing
was go down in Atlanta and the Bjohn Robinson Tyler
all to your brainless split of warkload, when I would
go out of my way to drive to ups for
other than go to I was not enriching the Smith's
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family any more. But like I have to give Arthur
Smith some credit. He was onto something about John new
Smith used to be Kyle Pitt's. Yeah, because last year
it was evident Johnny Smith was a better football player.
And the thing is with with Pittsburgh, Number one, you
expect Pittsburgh to be a little run heavier. But how
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much influence is Aaron Rodgers gonna have you? The fact
that they traded for John new Smith suggests Arthur Smith
has significant influence here. But Aaron Rodgers is not going
to go out there and run the same offense Desmond
Ritter ran two years ago. It's just not going to
happen because that's Aaron Rodgers. Now. Aaron Rodgers might at
the stage of his career say I want to bolster
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my Hall of Fame resume if I managed to drag
the Steelers team to the super Bowl. It's gonna be
one of the great stories ever. And he might decide,
you know what I'm gonna I'm just gonna capitulate a
little bit to my coaches. I think there's an opportunity
here for john new Smith to be second on this
team in targets behind obviously DK Meck get healthy, he's
going to leave the team in targets. But it was
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the rare trade where we lost two fantasy viable sets
because Johnny Smith was getting drafted as a top ten
tight end for fantasy and Pat fryar Muth was getting
drafted as like a top fifteen or sixteen tight end
for fantasy. Those ADPs have just completely plummeted because nobody
knows a what the split's going to be, b how
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much they're even going to throw the football in general.
So it becomes john and Smith is a really good
football player. He was excellent for fantasy last year. And
Arthur Smith I've shown the ability to use him. But
Ryan Mout's a different kind of player. Friar Muth is,
you know, more of your traditional inline. You know, we
compared Colston Loveland to Tyler Warren throughout the pre draft
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process when it was you know, maybe the Panthers were
considering one of those two guys. The Briar Muth was
much more of the Tyler Warren type of tight end
get in there helped the run game, may be a
red zone option, while John new Smith is somebody who's
scheme things up for Unfortunately, I'm not sure there's going
to be enough volume here for either one of these
guys to be anything more than kind of like a
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bench asset for for fantasy football. So it was a
trade when it happened that nobody in the fantasy industry
likes just because we know what Arthur Smith likes to do.
He likes to prove that he's smarter than everybody else.
And sometimes he calls a nifty play. Other times you're like,
why is Tyler Alger in there? When Dejon Robinson is running.
Speaker 1 (12:29):
All over the beam tossed to nage.
Speaker 2 (12:34):
Darnell Washington's there by the way, Guys like he's a
talented guy. Does he become somebody who gets used? It's
from a fantasy football perspective, this is one I want
to follow throughout training camp. Guys, I want to follow
the reports. That's what I'm going to do, because look,
they're going to use john new Smith right now. If
I had to wager, I think Johnny Smith's second on
this team in targets. I just don't know if that
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second on this team in targets is good enough to
sustain fantasy and production.
Speaker 1 (13:00):
So what happens We're talking to Joe Dolan here Fantasy
points dot Com. By the way, what happens with TJ.
Speaker 2 (13:04):
Watt?
Speaker 1 (13:04):
I know you tweeted out a couple of days ago,
might not be the best idea to give him a
Miles Garrett type of deal. Where are they at do
you think? And where do they land on that? Where
would you land on that?
Speaker 2 (13:15):
Well? I wonder if they're thought between a rock and
a hard place right now, I said, I don't think
a Mile Garrett type extension would age well for t J. Watt,
But I think they're going to give it to him anyway.
And idea like he watscott leverage right now? Right he's
over thirty, he is some of his advanced mettrics like
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his his win rate isn't nearly as high as some
of the elite guys, like he's more of a he
gets his sacks, but he finishes. But let's just say
he finishes a higher percentage of the plays he wins
that he wins plays like he's more of a sacker
than a disruptor. He's not out there constantly wreaking havoct
(13:58):
but when he does, he finishes the play. That's why
I'm a little bit concerned about his production metrics. But look,
they brought in Aaron Rodgers, they traded for Johnny Smith,
they traded for DK Metcalf. This is not a team
that's going to be like, oh, you know what we're
building for the future here, man, we got t TJ. Watt.
While I can you know they trade Look, I think
(14:19):
I actually I think they came ahead in the trade
because I think at this point, Jalen Ramsey's better football
player than MIKEA fits faster. They also traded a younger
player in MIKEA. Fitzpatrick for Jalen Ramsey, who's older than
Everything suggests here that they've kind of backed themselves into
a wall with TJ. Watt. TJ. Watt sees that, and
(14:40):
I think EJ. Fott is going to become one of
the highest aed defensive players in football, and I think
it'll get done before the season.
Speaker 1 (14:47):
And then there's Trey Hendrickson over in Cincinnati. We're also, uh,
they went ahead just as a reinforcement, I guess, to
draft Shamar Stewart. He decides this is pretty cool. Why
this is pretty cool? I'm not reporting either. I don't
like this contract, crap, your throw it at me. But
Hendrickson on the plus side of thirty obviously thirty one,
now I believe you'd be paying him on production, not
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future projection. And that's the problem with what Hendrickson wants.
He wants Miles Garrett money. That to me, that's as
much of a red flag because he's had great production
in a very short window the past couple of years.
But you never get faster and you never get better
the older you get, especially at that age. I'd be
worried if they gave him big money, and I don't know.
Speaker 2 (15:28):
If they will, But guys, you cannot possibly you could
get anybody from anywhere who might not have never even
heard of the Cincinnati Bengals on this program in my spot,
and they would be just as good at projecting what
the Cincinnati Bengals are going to do. Money wise, because
I cannot tell you they don't have their first round
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pick in camp. And look, I know what's going on
with the second round picks. I know obviously the language
in those contracts means virtually none of them are signed.
But Stuart I believe he is the only first rounder
who hasn't signed. He doesn't look anywhere close to signing.
And then they've done guys. I don't know. I just
don't know. And you know, Joe Burrow wants them to
pay everybody. Joe Burrow doesn't have an owner like Jeffrey
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Laurie in Philadelphia who is willing to pay these dead
pack years to help keep a great team together. If
they signed Trey Henderson tomorrow, I wouldn't be shocked. If
they traded them tomorrow, I wouldn't be shocked. Cincinnati is
just one of those teams that the ownership is such
a wild card that it's hard to even talk about
from that regard.
Speaker 1 (16:34):
Finally, Joe Dolan Fantasy points dot Com is our guest here.
I think the most intriguing team right now, and again
this can change from week to week based on a
lot of factors, but the Vikings are fascinating. They are
stacked across the board on both sides of the ball.
They've improved that offensive line in the interior where it
was a mess last year. But the quarterback situation we
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know is a huge question mark because we have not
seen this young quarterback J. M. McCarthy play a single
snap in the regular season. What do you make of
that situation? What are your expectations for that team? Could
it be that they could I don't want to say
bring Kirk Cousins back at trade deadline time, but what
if they come out of the gate at four and
five or five and five? Are they going to stay
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the course with him? Because they're in a win now
mode with that roster.
Speaker 2 (17:20):
Go tell you fantasy football fact first. J. J. McCarthy
is my most drafted quarterback right now in fantasy football
because look at what we have seen from the Kevin
O'Connell offense major Kirk Cousins a couple of years ago.
I remember on Christmas Eve when Kirk Cousins was injured,
sitting here in my office watching I was on serious
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sext time at the time, watching the Minnesota Vikings play
on Christmas Eve with Nick Mullins at quarterback. No, this
guy is throwing hot air balloons into the air. I
mean it is just they are going up and they're
coming down and into defense fifty yards and played one
of the worst games I saw all year. So and
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then we saw Sam Donald last year come in orlay
that into a hundred million dollar contract. Funny, there's some
funny money involved there, but still one hundred million dollar contract.
And we knew Sam Donald stunk, right. I know he
had a couple of moments with the Panthers, but as
has happened with Sam Donald faltered, well, we don't know
JJ McCarthy stinks. What if he doesn't. When I'm drafting
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a quarterback like that, who's getting drafted at like quarterback
sixteen or seventeen, you want to start asking yourself, what
if something good happens? And something good has always happened
with Kevin O'Connell quarterback, and he has the addict of mobility.
We also have them projected to be one of the
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past heaviest teams in the NFL. We have we have
j McCarthy in the top five and projected pass attempts
this year. So I'm going to be bullish on him.
What if he is good and if he is. Look,
they won thirteen games last year with Sam Donald. Yeah,
all right, now there is some again talking about funny money.
There was some funny money going on there and that
got exposed. But there is a lot of talent on
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this offense and the coaching staff that I truly believe in. Moreover,
JJ McCarthy is more mobile than Sam Donald. He is
going to be one of my most drafted quarterbacks. I
think his mobility opens up something in this offense that
neither Sam Donald nor especially Kirk Cousins could provide it.
I think we might see Kevin O'Connell get into his
bag a little bit this year.
Speaker 1 (19:29):
Well to see how it goes. Joe Dolan Fantasy Points
dot Com let us know, tease it all out for us.
Where can we find the work as we ramp up
to the start of the regular season, My friend, you can.
Speaker 2 (19:40):
Find my work on Fantasy points dot com. But this week,
sorry guys, that allergy you've been getting to me a
little bit more good. You can find me on Serious
XM Fantasy Sports Radio, which is Serious XM eighty seven.
That's the only time you should tune away from this station.
That's way when you Listen to SERIX eighty seven from
seven to eight am Monday through Man.
Speaker 1 (20:01):
We'll be doing that. He's allergic to Arthur Smith talk.
That's what it is. It's it's not a bad case.
Gets some clarton for that bad case of Arthur Smith.
Speaker 2 (20:09):
I you got there.
Speaker 1 (20:11):
We'll see it. Joe, What can Brown do for you?
Speaker 2 (20:14):
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