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Speaker 1 (00:00):
He was part of the SoCon one hundred anniversary team
as a member of that football side of things and
played two sports at Furman played in the NFL, had
some great plays and had some great moments and great
memories as a professional football player. It's our good friend,
Luther Broughton, Lou what's going on, babe?
Speaker 2 (00:17):
Johann E what's Baker? What's going on?
Speaker 3 (00:21):
Been too long? Listen?
Speaker 1 (00:22):
Since the last time we spoke pre Super Bowl, I've
had to replay a couple of your interviews like twice
because we've been craving the Luther content. We love it,
and it's always good to reflect when there's something notable
in the NFL, such as John Gruden in the news
or maybe one of these Eagles coaches or Chiefs coaches.
Speaker 3 (00:39):
You know about fifty of them. But it's good to
get you back on Live. Man. How you been. How's
the family?
Speaker 2 (00:46):
Man? Every day is groovy and their family is great.
We're healthy, you know, still looking like a dis Elba
in my mind, So I mean, everything is good, Bro.
Speaker 3 (00:59):
It's good to hear you, man. And Luther.
Speaker 1 (01:01):
You can follow him on Twitter at Richard eighty four
and he's a great follow on social man. So here
we are in this weird time of year in the NFL.
We'll get some basketball takes from it. From a minute,
is the Joker?
Speaker 3 (01:15):
My god? Last night? Oh goodness, sixty ten and ten.
You can't.
Speaker 2 (01:21):
He makes it look too easy.
Speaker 3 (01:24):
He does. He just does.
Speaker 2 (01:27):
He just makes it look too easy. He's just unbothered.
He's just good at basketball. Yeah, MVP, MVP, what do
you say, Come on, they're having a Joker for tegue,
so say you'll just Alexander's gonna win.
Speaker 3 (01:44):
Tell you, I'm telling you it's MB part two, right.
Speaker 2 (01:47):
No, it's not. It's it's Michael Jordan's part two. You know.
They had m J fort and that's why MJ doesn't
have eight m vps. Yeah, I mean, let's be honest.
They Lebron's for team too. That's why he probably should
have won it when d Rose won it, he probably
should have won it. Went hard and won it. No,
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he definitely shouldn't have won Rookie of the Year over Carmelo.
But that's a different story for a different day. But
I think Joker is the MVP. Dude, He's like top
three in everything.
Speaker 1 (02:21):
I think part of it too, Look is a guy
who played basketball in college is a guy that obviously
has been around professional athletics most of his adult life.
You know this, and you know how the media likes
to do this. There is not a shiny object when
you look at Jokic. He can be dull. He can be.
Speaker 3 (02:40):
Boring by design. That's just who he is.
Speaker 1 (02:42):
And so we look at the greatness of what he
brings to the table. And this guy's like that in
the NFL that just have you know, a pet Rock
type of personality. But they're done it and it's just
a stone coldness about him.
Speaker 2 (02:55):
Man.
Speaker 3 (02:55):
We were up there in Charlotte.
Speaker 1 (02:56):
You were you at the game where the Hornets almost
beat the Nuggets earlier this year.
Speaker 3 (03:02):
I took my kids up there, and I should have
asked I that game.
Speaker 1 (03:05):
That was like prime Yo Kics down there in the
low post at the end where you've got Obviously I.
Speaker 2 (03:14):
Watched it and I remember the gain was at the end.
Speaker 3 (03:19):
It's what he does.
Speaker 2 (03:19):
It's like, what do you do? You can't do anything
to stop there.
Speaker 3 (03:23):
No, there's nothing you can do. Man, Well here's.
Speaker 2 (03:26):
Another I love it. I'm a fan. I know some
people are like, oh, it's boring. Blah blah blah. No,
I'm I'm a massive fan, dude. I love watching him play.
A huge fan, you know, ball.
Speaker 1 (03:36):
That's why Luther Bronton joins us here for we're firm
and great former NFL tied end uh And I wanted
to get you on here because, look I joked about
it on Facebook earlier, that are our our tush push insider.
Look here, I say that because you're one of the
guys we talked to on this show. And we have
a number of guys who played in the league that
we talked to, but you're my favorite because you give
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us great stories and great inside and you played at
a high level at a very important position tight end
in Andy Reid's offense. Obviously, this is not Andy Reid's design,
it's it's a different type of play. I know you
are a loyal Eagles guy. They are a great organization
in terms of fighting the legends back. I saw you
at the parade again this year. But that play the dynamics,
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give me your give me your sense of what it is,
Is it right, should it be banned?
Speaker 3 (04:26):
And where are you at with it?
Speaker 2 (04:27):
Because you and I have not even talked about this
so what's wrong with it? I just want to know
what's wrong with it. It's within the rules. There's nothing
against the rules. They're not doing something like backing into
people to draw files like James Harden used to do,
stopping short to draw file. They're basically going to quarterback
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sneak within the rules and no one can stop it.
Other teams have tried it. They don't have out personnel.
Part of it is we have a great offensive line.
Another part of it is we have a quarterback that
squat six hundred pounds.
Speaker 3 (05:04):
Thank you. I've been saying this.
Speaker 2 (05:05):
We have a witting room quarterback.
Speaker 1 (05:07):
I've been saying this nause him on this show that
it and you look. I have different thoughts on this plane.
I'll share them minute. But people underestimate the lower body
strength of Jalen Hurts. That's really a big element of
what makes this whole thing go.
Speaker 2 (05:20):
That's a massive elod You know who ran a really
great quarterback sneak, Tom Brady, and no one wanted to
outlaw it. You know they're saying they're lying because they're
talking about safety and health and injury. That's a lie. John.
Let's let's be honest people, don't get hurt in the
test push. Look, if you look at it, no one's
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getting hurt in the test push. You know when people
get hurt John drop back passing. Are we going to
outlaw drop back passing because injuries happened? No, we're not.
And I'm being ridiculous with a ridiculous example, but we're
not going to outlaw drop that passing because people get hurt. Okay,
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So what they're doing is the Eagles basically have first
and eighty every possession of first and not every possession.
The people are sound jealous to me, the people that
Green Bay sounds ridiculous when they're like, oh, I'm not
the one who wrote it up, but it seems like
it's a safety issue. And then Sean McVeigh all people,
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he said, the optics of the play looks bad.
Speaker 1 (06:29):
Yeah, yeah, that's something a fan would say. That's something
a fan would say. To me, I was surprised and
a little disappointed by McVeigh, because.
Speaker 2 (06:37):
I was extremely disappointed by McVeigh. McVeigh was the one
that disappointed me the most. The optics of the play.
You don't like how it looks Are you kidding me?
You know what's a horrible rule bringing the ball out
to the thirty five yard line on a touchback. How
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about that one?
Speaker 3 (06:58):
Well, that's crazy what they're trying to do.
Speaker 2 (07:01):
Let's talk about that.
Speaker 3 (07:02):
Let's do that. Let me I'm gonna get to that
in a minute.
Speaker 1 (07:04):
But here's my thing about the tush push. I don't
know how familiar you are with Logan Ryan. He he
played in the league for a few years and he
was a yeah, New England, Tennessee And I heard him
on a podcast recently and he raised a point that
and comes from the Belichick school of thoughts. So I'm
sure this is in the most defensive guys, I'm sure
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hate this play and some respect it. I've heard Vrabel
come out, he's a defensive guy. He's like, what are
we gonna do ban Lamar Jackson from running?
Speaker 3 (07:33):
What are we doing here? But Lamar? I mean not Lamar. Geez.
Speaker 1 (07:38):
Logan Ryan's had something along the lines of this to say,
let's say you're a defensive unit and and how many
times do we see this you're backed up as an offense.
Let's say it's Philly and it's Saquon backed up at
the minus two yard line, and let's say, you've got
a swarm of linebackers that tackle him right at the
goal line and he ends up landing in the end zone.
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But Ford progress. It was about the Ford Progress rule.
And his thinking was, as a defense, why are we
not allowed to gain yardage at any point of the field.
The safety is just an example, But any point of
the field, why is Ford progress always called that early?
And the tush push is allowed and you're allowed all
this downfield shoving as different.
Speaker 2 (08:21):
That's a different story. That's that's a that's a part
of the play. If you're if you're if you're arguing
that they're not calling it correctly, that's completely different of
the DS safety. And I totally agree with him. If
you're if you're going to always say, you know, possession
will stop, let's stop the ball, and you're not going
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to do that on a test push. Logan Ryan has
an absolutely great pullt.
Speaker 3 (08:48):
Here's the thing.
Speaker 1 (08:49):
As a guy who played in the trenches, Luther Bronton
joins this former NFL tied end. I would imagine the
Ford Progress rule, and I know a lot about the NFL,
but I don't know enough to know when that was
put in. I imagine it was put in after somebody
got their leg snapped in half, with five or six
defensive guys pushing them back five or six yards, and
then finally it was a pile.
Speaker 2 (09:09):
So at some point the play is over. That's what
that's all about.
Speaker 1 (09:12):
Well, but to but here's the thing. You've got you
still at this point, Loud, You've still got guys. And
what I'm more against than the toush push is the
fact that you still have a cavalcade sometimes a convoy
of two or three linemen going downfield and they're grabbing
and holding and pushing.
Speaker 3 (09:29):
The pile down the field.
Speaker 1 (09:31):
That to me is inconsistent, and that puts the defense
in a bind. I don't dislike it in theory because
I love physical football, but I think defenses have been
such they've been so handicapped since the early two thousands,
when you know Doungee and Peyton Manning and others took
away some of the physicality. They put it in front
of the league and the league once points in scoring.
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I just thought it was interesting that Logan brought that
up because it brings home a different perspective.
Speaker 2 (09:58):
It's a really good point. I'm not gonna lie. It's
a really good point.
Speaker 1 (10:01):
You know what, I feel, I've got a conspiracy real quick.
I think the Commander's Eagles. You remember the NFC Championship.
I don't know if you were there in attendance or not.
I'm sure you might have been, because you're an Eagles nut,
and you're always everywhere loo, I mean you're always at
every game I ever see. But when that game was
out of hand and they were trying to do a
little toush push at the end, and they Dan Quinn,
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who I love, by the way, sent Luvu over the
top what four or five times, and Sean Hockeyy finally
came out and said, look, here's the.
Speaker 3 (10:33):
Deal, y'all.
Speaker 1 (10:34):
We're gonna give him the touchdown if this doesn't stop.
To me, I almost think the Commanders. I don't think
it's this diabolical, but I almost think part of it's
like somebody in that STAPs like, look, let's do this,
not only to try to stop it in a unique way,
but let's try to shine a light on this and
get the Competition Committee's attention, because the unattended consequences of
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that could have been Luvu breaks his neck falling down,
or you.
Speaker 2 (10:59):
Know, you know what, like that was stupid.
Speaker 3 (11:03):
Actually, yeah, what not the way to stop it?
Speaker 2 (11:07):
You know what I'm saying, that's not the way to
stop it. I mean, if you want to bring attention
that way, go ahead, more power chief. What you did
was connor ridiculous. I mean, you could have done You
could have done that on any play. That could have
been any play. You also could have hurt the quarterback
that it was just diving across at basically at the
quarterback steat.
Speaker 1 (11:28):
It was that it was overkilled after a while. And
I have to believe that that look, and again I'm speculating.
I don't know what dan Quinn's intentions are. He's a
good man, he's a good coach. But I think at
that point they're just trying anything they can to disrupt
that play and know, when the game was kind of
out a hand, it's gonna be Look, they're going to
revisit it, and some of Roger Goodell's comments yesterday seemed
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to suggest that they're not going to just ban it.
That's what to your point about the Packers, the language
in their proposal was pretty much singling out one team
for doing something very well. That was the problem the
committee had with it at least half of the committee
that voted, you know, to not try to ban this,
and then they tabled it when they revisited what Goodell
said yesterday. And this gets back to the era in
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which you played. I think it was two thousand and
four or five, where they changed the rule to where
they're allowing now a little bit of push and pull
downfield amongst you know, there's a pile or there's a runner,
you can do that. It used to be minunderstanding, at
least looking at the rules that was prohibited. So I
think they're going to go back to this, and they're
going to lean on precedent from the early two thousands
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and instead of saying, well, the toush pushes banned because
we hate the Eagles, No, they're just going to blatantly
say no more pushing or pulling any ball carriers. But
you know what, here's the thing, lou, the Eagles are
still going to find a way to get three or
four yards on quarterback sneaks because of several factors. And
you know this well. Number one, the personnel they have upfront.
Number two, the incredible strength of Jalen Hurt's lower body.
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And then number three, a man named Jess Stoutlin. You know,
that's that's all they need to do.
Speaker 3 (13:04):
Yep, gonna be interesting to see what happens.
Speaker 1 (13:08):
So you're not surprising, you're you're a proponent of keeping
the push play, You're you're all for it.
Speaker 2 (13:15):
I am absolutely, I absolutely am. I think is I
think they're being just in general?
Speaker 1 (13:20):
Yeah, what's interesting? What do you think about the expanded schedule?
Like you were a player, You've been through this and
this is a time in a space where you know,
you look at players safety and there's all that conversation
about that, and you have had conversations about concussions and
you know, head injuries and all of that, and you
were very fortunate in your career to have a lot
of success and make it out without a lot of
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that in your inventory. But I will say this, the
league is trying to push this thing to twenty games
at some point. You know they are eighteen is next?
Speaker 3 (13:51):
What you thought?
Speaker 2 (13:51):
Oh my god, I'm going to cut you off and
go back. For the reasons they want to ban the just
push why on? Why? Because of what? Because of what?
Speaker 3 (14:02):
Job? Player safety?
Speaker 2 (14:05):
Because the players safety job. They want to ban it
because of player safety. But they want twenty games. They
want they want Thursday night games, they want Monday Winnesday.
Speaker 3 (14:16):
International to Brazil, Go to Brazil.
Speaker 2 (14:21):
They want all this stuff. But we're but but we're
talking about player safety. It's hogwash, man, it's hog washed.
I get it. It's hog washed. I wish Cadell would say, look,
stop to play, or say fine, we won't we can't
allow pushing on offense or pushing on defense. Fine, if
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that's what you're if you're going to change the rules
and say you're not going to allow pushing the nuts, fine,
but right now as well within the rules, I mean,
just be honest with yourself. Just be honest is what
I want them to do. I want them to be
honest because they're not being honest at all. Yes, uh, let.
Speaker 3 (15:03):
No, they're not.
Speaker 1 (15:04):
And you know it's it's I almost I don't respect
McVeigh for what he said, but I almost see his
point that he's not hiding behind player safety. Somebody will
just come out and say, look, nobody else can stop it.
There's one team doing exceptionally well. No one else can
stop it. And that's why we want to gone at
least be honest, because that's exactly what that's when they
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want to.
Speaker 2 (15:27):
Go on, that's what I want, dude. I love hearing
those other coaches say the Eagles do it well and
you guys are mad about it. I love hearing some
of those coaches say that. I absolutely love hearing the
Lions well, not coaches, GMS and stuff like that. Like,
I love hearing those guys say that stuff because it's
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the truth.
Speaker 1 (15:50):
Yeah, Luther Broughton joins us, Look, I want to have
a real discussion about contract distribution and contract management, Okay,
because they have paid and I heard Todd Frantz and
the guys from Athletes First have a podcast talking about,
in not so many words, how they fleeced Jerry with
the de contract. So you've got that tying up that cap.
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That cap number is enormous. You've got the Ceede Lamb deal.
The Ceedee Lamb deal is fair. But to me, the
guy that makes the most impact. If I'm thinking I'm
an opposing head coach, I've got to account for Micah
Parsons more than anybody on that other team if I'm
playing Dallas, because he just REX games and he's sitting
out there trying to battle in the media, and he
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has to speak up because the owner at the owner's
meetings pretty much said, I don't know who his agent is, dude.
Speaker 3 (16:40):
His agent is David Milgedda. He's one of the most
prominent guys in the league. What is Jerry doing and
what does he is?
Speaker 2 (16:48):
It?
Speaker 1 (16:48):
Is it time for Uncle Jerry to step back? And
let you know, cousin Steven take up.
Speaker 2 (16:53):
It was time for Uncle Jerry to step back a
while ago. Crazy, but you know what, it's Jerry's thing
and he can do what he wants to do it.
He said that time and time again, and he's right.
Yeah it is, He's right. But guess what. Guess what,
bro I love it.
Speaker 3 (17:09):
I enjoy it as an Eagles guy.
Speaker 2 (17:11):
Yet as an Eagles fan, it's incredible watching Jerry mess
up right.
Speaker 1 (17:17):
Right, Well, he waits too late for everything. He doesn't
he's over loyal. He doesn't like paining coaches that aren't
on his current sideline. This is why he keeps guys
until the bitter end. And with these contracts, it's like
there's an old adage, man, you know, Pat Kerwin has
talked about this other front office guys like the longer
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you wait, the more expensive it gets and he waits to.
Speaker 3 (17:40):
The last minute.
Speaker 2 (17:42):
Don bro It's so dumb, it really is. And on
the opposite end of the spectrum are the Eagles. They
don't they get guys done. They get guys done. They
you know, they make mistakes every now and then, paying
people too early or whatever, every now and then, not
very often. I'd rather make mistakes paying a guy too
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early than waiting, waiting, waiting, and see, boy, I wonder
if this guy is going to give me a discount something.
Speaker 3 (18:14):
What are you? Nobody's given the Dallas cot.
Speaker 1 (18:18):
Well, have you ever in your in your time you
were in the league for a few years when you
were a free agent, ever did you did you ever
visit Dallas?
Speaker 3 (18:26):
Did you ever have any negotiations?
Speaker 2 (18:28):
No, dude, listen to me. You and I know who
I am. I don't have much of an ego and
one of that many teams interested in the medal free agency.
But look you.
Speaker 1 (18:41):
You look don don don mcdad's rookie year, Andy Reid,
you led the team and touchdown set.
Speaker 2 (18:50):
There And let me tell you that was one of
one of the best meetings I had with the coach
about my abilities. Andy brought me in I'm a small
I was a smart like nowadays might not be a
small tight end. I'm a little.
Speaker 1 (19:02):
Shorter talking about and he brought me in and he said,
he was like, look, I don't know how your confidence
it is because I know.
Speaker 2 (19:14):
I know what your deficiency is in football. You're not
a very good blocker in line block. But there are
a lot of things that you can do and you
do well. And he said, I don't know that many
tight ends in the league who are versatile and run
like you. So what we're going to do is take
advantage of the things you do well. He said, I'm
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not going to part on what you don't do well,
but we're going to get you better. But I only
come who's not yelling at me because I can't block
Reggie White.
Speaker 3 (19:52):
Well who did that.
Speaker 2 (19:55):
Exactly. And I'm being extreme, But you're not just yelling
at because I'm not because I'm not Kyle Brady, who's
the two hundred and eighty pounds.
Speaker 3 (20:06):
Brady, he was glorified offensive tackle.
Speaker 2 (20:12):
I remember, I love I loved watching him block.
Speaker 3 (20:17):
Good dude, man.
Speaker 2 (20:17):
Yeah, he's a monster. You get that guy, and you
spect Luther who's who came out of college as a
borified big wide receiver because I'm out there running rouse
and then then you bring me in here and you
just stick me down there at the play tight end
on the line. Man.
Speaker 3 (20:38):
That's not how That's not how you would have That's
not And I saw.
Speaker 1 (20:41):
Early highlights of you with some of these coaches, even
with Seaford, and the way they deployed you at times.
Speaker 3 (20:46):
It drove me.
Speaker 1 (20:47):
Your classic move tight end, that's the West Coast offense here.
You you tied in move tight end they call it.
And that's what your game was in terms of you know.
Speaker 2 (20:55):
H back time to bro. Here's the crazy thing about it.
Back up tight end, firm me die not a superstar,
just sat back on the team. Guess what Andy did.
Guess what Andy did. And he put in a whole
package for me. Don't get packaged tight ends, don't get packages.
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And he called it a Luther package. He called it,
he called the Tiger Luther. And I know I'm in
the game and I'm going to be able to get
some stuff.
Speaker 1 (21:27):
You've got your own and expression Andy Reid gave you
a tag.
Speaker 3 (21:32):
Oh my god, dude, I had.
Speaker 2 (21:34):
I had my own set of plays. Tiger Luthor get
in the game and that dude, I'm not bragging. I'm
just telling you how he built how he built my
confidence and didn't kick me. He didn't kick me man,
because of the things I didn't do well, and he
brought my confidence that I didn't have a lot of time.
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And I'm not saying that my coaches, especially my position
coach in Carolina, I love that. I'm not saying those
guys weren't be coaching and I'm not saying that they
worked on me. And I'm not saying they those particular
diapoles on what I couldn't do. I'm telling you what
Auntie did. What he did was in still confidence and
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he and he told me to capitalize on the things
that i'd be well. He said, make sure you're doing
that that then you do well. You show that. Now
we're going to work on your blocking. They're not a
very good in line boxer, so we're going to have
you out after the practice and we're going to work
on some things. But what I do know, as I can,
if I stick you out here in too tight a
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information and the other team brings it takes out nickel
and plays base that you're going to destroy their linebacker
or their strong fifty covering me. I'm gonna put some
plays in employees. That built my confidence, dude. That's why.
And I believed again that I could play in the
NFL because the guys people think that like professional aren't real.
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They don't have the normal feelings. Dude. I was like,
I can't play. I can't play in this league. I'm
I might not be good enough. That's how I was
for a while. John, When did.
Speaker 3 (23:16):
When did the light?
Speaker 2 (23:17):
When?
Speaker 3 (23:17):
When did it go? When did it? Did it click
in ninety or had success before? When did it go off?
Speaker 2 (23:25):
I can tell you. I can start off by telling
me when it really got broken? And you could take
one guess. The name rhymes with mod Mooden.
Speaker 1 (23:37):
We know the great, the great form of Super Bowl,
said John Gruden. We've heard the story and let's keep
it there.
Speaker 2 (23:43):
But you and John, John, John didn't think I could
play football?
Speaker 3 (23:46):
John?
Speaker 2 (23:48):
Football? What I could play?
Speaker 3 (23:50):
Why not? What did what did?
Speaker 2 (23:51):
So?
Speaker 3 (23:52):
John? You weren't soft? I know this, but I know
this story ductive.
Speaker 2 (23:57):
John was kund of productive. He treated me like I'm
not gonna say the word because I remember that word
on the radio. He treated me like crap, dude. He listen,
My dad is one of those tough love dads. Words
don't bother me. You could tell me, Lucy, you're afing
up and all I'm thinking. All I'm thinking, and you
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tell me if I worked here doing what I heard
was Luther, you made some mistakes. Shire. We gotta we
gotta change that, and you gotta coaching. You got to
bother me. He doesn't bother me.
Speaker 1 (24:30):
An exit ramp from being a just a belligerent, counterproductive screamer,
which Gruden a lot of people said the same thing
about him. And look, he's got some bona fides in
all respect to his There's got to be an exit
ramp from yelling at somebody. The exit ramp needs to
be okay. We we've got that out of the way.
Even Parcels had an act for this. But then where's
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the teaching coming in? Belichick, master of that dude.
Speaker 2 (24:54):
Listen, man, I remember Chad Lewis said, whoa Chad always
called me bro? He said, Bro, what did you do
to Brude? I said, what do you mean? He said, Bro?
Speaker 3 (25:04):
He just.
Speaker 2 (25:09):
He's like he's like he kills me everything you do.
He doesn't. He doesn't really coach you up. He just
goes off on you. And I was like, Chad, I
don't know, dude. I was distraught. Man. I was like, Chad,
I don't know, Dade. I don't know what I did.
Who I said something I said? I don't know, bro.
And uh, but when I left, when I when I left,
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uh Mini camp? And I might have told this story
before when I left Mini Camp or you know what
I did, John, Yeah, I went home, went back to Furman,
start talking to some people to start working on my
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grad school because I didn't think I was good enough.
I didn't think I could fun.
Speaker 3 (26:00):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (26:00):
Yeah, And that's smart, that's that's that's a smart thing
to do anything.
Speaker 2 (26:05):
My cousin went off on I mean, he was like,
are you crazy? He was like, dude, you you're a baller.
You know, it's says some you know, people who know you,
who can tell you when you need to bleep off
or when you need to wake up and wake and
you know how it is a lot of family can
do that to you. Oh, I know the people you
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trust can tell you the worst things about you. Those
are the people who get a pass. Uh. You know,
you can tell me how much of a jerk. I
am if if if you, if you're not, I don't.
I'm not seeking your your opinion. It doesn't hurt me,
it doesn't bother me.
Speaker 1 (26:46):
Well just quickly before before we hit it, because we're
on a clock. Unfortunately this happens all the time. But
I'm gonna just claim this is my own because Doc Climban,
who has ripped off a lot of people on Twitter
for their content, including me, over the years. I don't
think he ripped this off from us, but he did.
You sent me a tweet from him, a little screenshot,
and I just want to make sure I give him
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credit even though this is our bit.
Speaker 3 (27:11):
The ninety nine Eagles.
Speaker 1 (27:12):
Team under Andy Reid produced nine future head coaches, and
the man on this phone right now, Luther Broden, played
for each of them. Brad Childress, David Cully, Pat Schirmer,
Ron Rivera, who's now the GM out of cal Less,
Frasier Spags, John Harball, Doug Peterson, and and let's not
forget Sean who is the Deuyt Shrewd of the staff
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as you've got assistant to the assistant.
Speaker 2 (27:37):
To the But you but you knew when you met him,
like because when he didn't know. You always started from
the bottom. Yeah, yeah, when you when you met and
you knew like this guy, this guy is something.
Speaker 3 (27:55):
The coaching tree is insane.
Speaker 1 (27:58):
At some point, I'm gonna I'm gonna pull you aside
and we're gonna find a way.
Speaker 3 (28:04):
It's never gonna happen to.
Speaker 1 (28:05):
Get all of them on a conference call together for
the ultimate Mega cast, the Andy Reid Reunion, which will
never happen. But look, it's it's great lou catching up
with you. I do have one last thing to say
before we hit this very quick break.
Speaker 3 (28:20):
The Toush push.
Speaker 1 (28:21):
I think there should be something like, you know, you've
got a Hall pass, you've got the speed pass. How
about a Toush pass. What's a game coach pulls out
a card, pulls out a car and says, look, here's
my toush pass. I get won a game and then
everybody wins. No, I'm with you. You You've turned me
around on this the rest of the learn how.
Speaker 2 (28:40):
To stop honest, just be honest, Louis.
Speaker 3 (28:46):
We got to hit it, man. It's great to hear
your voice, Bud. This is fun, all right, brother,
He was part of the SoCon one hundred anniversary team
as a member of that football side of things and
played two sports at Furman played in the NFL, had
some great plays and had some great moments and great
memories as a professional football player. It's our good friend,
Luther Broughton, Lou what's going on, babe?
Speaker 2 (00:17):
Johann E what's Baker? What's going on?
Speaker 3 (00:21):
Been too long? Listen?
Speaker 1 (00:22):
Since the last time we spoke pre Super Bowl, I've
had to replay a couple of your interviews like twice
because we've been craving the Luther content. We love it,
and it's always good to reflect when there's something notable
in the NFL, such as John Gruden in the news
or maybe one of these Eagles coaches or Chiefs coaches.
Speaker 3 (00:39):
You know about fifty of them. But it's good to
get you back on Live. Man. How you been. How's
the family?
Speaker 2 (00:46):
Man? Every day is groovy and their family is great.
We're healthy, you know, still looking like a dis Elba
in my mind, So I mean, everything is good, Bro.
Speaker 3 (00:59):
It's good to hear you, man. And Luther.
Speaker 1 (01:01):
You can follow him on Twitter at Richard eighty four
and he's a great follow on social man. So here
we are in this weird time of year in the NFL.
We'll get some basketball takes from it. From a minute,
is the Joker?
Speaker 3 (01:15):
My god? Last night? Oh goodness, sixty ten and ten.
You can't.
Speaker 2 (01:21):
He makes it look too easy.
Speaker 3 (01:24):
He does. He just does.
Speaker 2 (01:27):
He just makes it look too easy. He's just unbothered.
He's just good at basketball. Yeah, MVP, MVP, what do
you say, Come on, they're having a Joker for tegue,
so say you'll just Alexander's gonna win.
Speaker 3 (01:44):
Tell you, I'm telling you it's MB part two, right.
Speaker 2 (01:47):
No, it's not. It's it's Michael Jordan's part two. You know.
They had m J fort and that's why MJ doesn't
have eight m vps. Yeah, I mean, let's be honest.
They Lebron's for team too. That's why he probably should
have won it when d Rose won it, he probably
should have won it. Went hard and won it. No,
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he definitely shouldn't have won Rookie of the Year over Carmelo.
But that's a different story for a different day. But
I think Joker is the MVP. Dude, He's like top
three in everything.
Speaker 1 (02:21):
I think part of it too, Look is a guy
who played basketball in college is a guy that obviously
has been around professional athletics most of his adult life.
You know this, and you know how the media likes
to do this. There is not a shiny object when
you look at Jokic. He can be dull. He can be.
Speaker 3 (02:40):
Boring by design. That's just who he is.
Speaker 1 (02:42):
And so we look at the greatness of what he
brings to the table. And this guy's like that in
the NFL that just have you know, a pet Rock
type of personality. But they're done it and it's just
a stone coldness about him.
Speaker 2 (02:55):
Man.
Speaker 3 (02:55):
We were up there in Charlotte.
Speaker 1 (02:56):
You were you at the game where the Hornets almost
beat the Nuggets earlier this year.
Speaker 3 (03:02):
I took my kids up there, and I should have
asked I that game.
Speaker 1 (03:05):
That was like prime Yo Kics down there in the
low post at the end where you've got Obviously I.
Speaker 2 (03:14):
Watched it and I remember the gain was at the end.
Speaker 3 (03:19):
It's what he does.
Speaker 2 (03:19):
It's like, what do you do? You can't do anything
to stop there.
Speaker 3 (03:23):
No, there's nothing you can do. Man, Well here's.
Speaker 2 (03:26):
Another I love it. I'm a fan. I know some
people are like, oh, it's boring. Blah blah blah. No,
I'm I'm a massive fan, dude. I love watching him play.
A huge fan, you know, ball.
Speaker 1 (03:36):
That's why Luther Bronton joins us here for we're firm
and great former NFL tied end uh And I wanted
to get you on here because, look I joked about
it on Facebook earlier, that are our our tush push insider.
Look here, I say that because you're one of the
guys we talked to on this show. And we have
a number of guys who played in the league that
we talked to, but you're my favorite because you give
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us great stories and great inside and you played at
a high level at a very important position tight end
in Andy Reid's offense. Obviously, this is not Andy Reid's design,
it's it's a different type of play. I know you
are a loyal Eagles guy. They are a great organization
in terms of fighting the legends back. I saw you
at the parade again this year. But that play the dynamics,
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give me your give me your sense of what it is,
Is it right, should it be banned?
Speaker 3 (04:26):
And where are you at with it?
Speaker 2 (04:27):
Because you and I have not even talked about this
so what's wrong with it? I just want to know
what's wrong with it. It's within the rules. There's nothing
against the rules. They're not doing something like backing into
people to draw files like James Harden used to do,
stopping short to draw file. They're basically going to quarterback
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sneak within the rules and no one can stop it.
Other teams have tried it. They don't have out personnel.
Part of it is we have a great offensive line.
Another part of it is we have a quarterback that
squat six hundred pounds.
Speaker 3 (05:04):
Thank you. I've been saying this.
Speaker 2 (05:05):
We have a witting room quarterback.
Speaker 1 (05:07):
I've been saying this nause him on this show that
it and you look. I have different thoughts on this plane.
I'll share them minute. But people underestimate the lower body
strength of Jalen Hurts. That's really a big element of
what makes this whole thing go.
Speaker 2 (05:20):
That's a massive elod You know who ran a really
great quarterback sneak, Tom Brady, and no one wanted to
outlaw it. You know they're saying they're lying because they're
talking about safety and health and injury. That's a lie. John.
Let's let's be honest people, don't get hurt in the
test push. Look, if you look at it, no one's
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getting hurt in the test push. You know when people
get hurt John drop back passing. Are we going to
outlaw drop back passing because injuries happened? No, we're not.
And I'm being ridiculous with a ridiculous example, but we're
not going to outlaw drop that passing because people get hurt. Okay,
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So what they're doing is the Eagles basically have first
and eighty every possession of first and not every possession.
The people are sound jealous to me, the people that
Green Bay sounds ridiculous when they're like, oh, I'm not
the one who wrote it up, but it seems like
it's a safety issue. And then Sean McVeigh all people,
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he said, the optics of the play looks bad.
Speaker 1 (06:29):
Yeah, yeah, that's something a fan would say. That's something
a fan would say. To me, I was surprised and
a little disappointed by McVeigh, because.
Speaker 2 (06:37):
I was extremely disappointed by McVeigh. McVeigh was the one
that disappointed me the most. The optics of the play.
You don't like how it looks Are you kidding me?
You know what's a horrible rule bringing the ball out
to the thirty five yard line on a touchback. How
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about that one?
Speaker 3 (06:58):
Well, that's crazy what they're trying to do.
Speaker 2 (07:01):
Let's talk about that.
Speaker 3 (07:02):
Let's do that. Let me I'm gonna get to that
in a minute.
Speaker 1 (07:04):
But here's my thing about the tush push. I don't
know how familiar you are with Logan Ryan. He he
played in the league for a few years and he
was a yeah, New England, Tennessee And I heard him
on a podcast recently and he raised a point that
and comes from the Belichick school of thoughts. So I'm
sure this is in the most defensive guys, I'm sure
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hate this play and some respect it. I've heard Vrabel
come out, he's a defensive guy. He's like, what are
we gonna do ban Lamar Jackson from running?
Speaker 3 (07:33):
What are we doing here? But Lamar? I mean not Lamar. Geez.
Speaker 1 (07:38):
Logan Ryan's had something along the lines of this to say,
let's say you're a defensive unit and and how many
times do we see this you're backed up as an offense.
Let's say it's Philly and it's Saquon backed up at
the minus two yard line, and let's say, you've got
a swarm of linebackers that tackle him right at the
goal line and he ends up landing in the end zone.
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But Ford progress. It was about the Ford Progress rule.
And his thinking was, as a defense, why are we
not allowed to gain yardage at any point of the field.
The safety is just an example, But any point of
the field, why is Ford progress always called that early?
And the tush push is allowed and you're allowed all
this downfield shoving as different.
Speaker 2 (08:21):
That's a different story. That's that's a that's a part
of the play. If you're if you're if you're arguing
that they're not calling it correctly, that's completely different of
the DS safety. And I totally agree with him. If
you're if you're going to always say, you know, possession
will stop, let's stop the ball, and you're not going
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to do that on a test push. Logan Ryan has
an absolutely great pullt.
Speaker 3 (08:48):
Here's the thing.
Speaker 1 (08:49):
As a guy who played in the trenches, Luther Bronton
joins this former NFL tied end. I would imagine the
Ford Progress rule, and I know a lot about the NFL,
but I don't know enough to know when that was
put in. I imagine it was put in after somebody
got their leg snapped in half, with five or six
defensive guys pushing them back five or six yards, and
then finally it was a pile.
Speaker 2 (09:09):
So at some point the play is over. That's what
that's all about.
Speaker 1 (09:12):
Well, but to but here's the thing. You've got you
still at this point, Loud, You've still got guys. And
what I'm more against than the toush push is the
fact that you still have a cavalcade sometimes a convoy
of two or three linemen going downfield and they're grabbing
and holding and pushing.
Speaker 3 (09:29):
The pile down the field.
Speaker 1 (09:31):
That to me is inconsistent, and that puts the defense
in a bind. I don't dislike it in theory because
I love physical football, but I think defenses have been
such they've been so handicapped since the early two thousands,
when you know Doungee and Peyton Manning and others took
away some of the physicality. They put it in front
of the league and the league once points in scoring.
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I just thought it was interesting that Logan brought that
up because it brings home a different perspective.
Speaker 2 (09:58):
It's a really good point. I'm not gonna lie. It's
a really good point.
Speaker 1 (10:01):
You know what, I feel, I've got a conspiracy real quick.
I think the Commander's Eagles. You remember the NFC Championship.
I don't know if you were there in attendance or not.
I'm sure you might have been, because you're an Eagles nut,
and you're always everywhere loo, I mean you're always at
every game I ever see. But when that game was
out of hand and they were trying to do a
little toush push at the end, and they Dan Quinn,
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who I love, by the way, sent Luvu over the
top what four or five times, and Sean Hockeyy finally
came out and said, look, here's the.
Speaker 3 (10:33):
Deal, y'all.
Speaker 1 (10:34):
We're gonna give him the touchdown if this doesn't stop.
To me, I almost think the Commanders. I don't think
it's this diabolical, but I almost think part of it's
like somebody in that STAPs like, look, let's do this,
not only to try to stop it in a unique way,
but let's try to shine a light on this and
get the Competition Committee's attention, because the unattended consequences of
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that could have been Luvu breaks his neck falling down,
or you.
Speaker 2 (10:59):
Know, you know what, like that was stupid.
Speaker 3 (11:03):
Actually, yeah, what not the way to stop it?
Speaker 2 (11:07):
You know what I'm saying, that's not the way to
stop it. I mean, if you want to bring attention
that way, go ahead, more power chief. What you did
was connor ridiculous. I mean, you could have done You
could have done that on any play. That could have
been any play. You also could have hurt the quarterback
that it was just diving across at basically at the
quarterback steat.
Speaker 1 (11:28):
It was that it was overkilled after a while. And
I have to believe that that look, and again I'm speculating.
I don't know what dan Quinn's intentions are. He's a
good man, he's a good coach. But I think at
that point they're just trying anything they can to disrupt
that play and know, when the game was kind of
out a hand, it's gonna be Look, they're going to
revisit it, and some of Roger Goodell's comments yesterday seemed
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to suggest that they're not going to just ban it.
That's what to your point about the Packers, the language
in their proposal was pretty much singling out one team
for doing something very well. That was the problem the
committee had with it at least half of the committee
that voted, you know, to not try to ban this,
and then they tabled it when they revisited what Goodell
said yesterday. And this gets back to the era in
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which you played. I think it was two thousand and
four or five, where they changed the rule to where
they're allowing now a little bit of push and pull
downfield amongst you know, there's a pile or there's a runner,
you can do that. It used to be minunderstanding, at
least looking at the rules that was prohibited. So I
think they're going to go back to this, and they're
going to lean on precedent from the early two thousands
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and instead of saying, well, the toush pushes banned because
we hate the Eagles, No, they're just going to blatantly
say no more pushing or pulling any ball carriers. But
you know what, here's the thing, lou, the Eagles are
still going to find a way to get three or
four yards on quarterback sneaks because of several factors. And
you know this well. Number one, the personnel they have upfront.
Number two, the incredible strength of Jalen Hurt's lower body.
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And then number three, a man named Jess Stoutlin. You know,
that's that's all they need to do.
Speaker 3 (13:04):
Yep, gonna be interesting to see what happens.
Speaker 1 (13:08):
So you're not surprising, you're you're a proponent of keeping
the push play, You're you're all for it.
Speaker 2 (13:15):
I am absolutely, I absolutely am. I think is I
think they're being just in general?
Speaker 1 (13:20):
Yeah, what's interesting? What do you think about the expanded schedule?
Like you were a player, You've been through this and
this is a time in a space where you know,
you look at players safety and there's all that conversation
about that, and you have had conversations about concussions and
you know, head injuries and all of that, and you
were very fortunate in your career to have a lot
of success and make it out without a lot of
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that in your inventory. But I will say this, the
league is trying to push this thing to twenty games
at some point. You know they are eighteen is next?
Speaker 3 (13:51):
What you thought?
Speaker 2 (13:51):
Oh my god, I'm going to cut you off and
go back. For the reasons they want to ban the just
push why on? Why? Because of what? Because of what?
Speaker 3 (14:02):
Job? Player safety?
Speaker 2 (14:05):
Because the players safety job. They want to ban it
because of player safety. But they want twenty games. They
want they want Thursday night games, they want Monday Winnesday.
Speaker 3 (14:16):
International to Brazil, Go to Brazil.
Speaker 2 (14:21):
They want all this stuff. But we're but but we're
talking about player safety. It's hogwash, man, it's hog washed.
I get it. It's hog washed. I wish Cadell would say, look,
stop to play, or say fine, we won't we can't
allow pushing on offense or pushing on defense. Fine, if
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that's what you're if you're going to change the rules
and say you're not going to allow pushing the nuts, fine,
but right now as well within the rules, I mean,
just be honest with yourself. Just be honest is what
I want them to do. I want them to be
honest because they're not being honest at all. Yes, uh, let.
Speaker 3 (15:03):
No, they're not.
Speaker 1 (15:04):
And you know it's it's I almost I don't respect
McVeigh for what he said, but I almost see his
point that he's not hiding behind player safety. Somebody will
just come out and say, look, nobody else can stop it.
There's one team doing exceptionally well. No one else can
stop it. And that's why we want to gone at
least be honest, because that's exactly what that's when they
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want to.
Speaker 2 (15:27):
Go on, that's what I want, dude. I love hearing
those other coaches say the Eagles do it well and
you guys are mad about it. I love hearing some
of those coaches say that. I absolutely love hearing the
Lions well, not coaches, GMS and stuff like that. Like,
I love hearing those guys say that stuff because it's
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the truth.
Speaker 1 (15:50):
Yeah, Luther Broughton joins us, Look, I want to have
a real discussion about contract distribution and contract management, Okay,
because they have paid and I heard Todd Frantz and
the guys from Athletes First have a podcast talking about,
in not so many words, how they fleeced Jerry with
the de contract. So you've got that tying up that cap.
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That cap number is enormous. You've got the Ceede Lamb deal.
The Ceedee Lamb deal is fair. But to me, the
guy that makes the most impact. If I'm thinking I'm
an opposing head coach, I've got to account for Micah
Parsons more than anybody on that other team if I'm
playing Dallas, because he just REX games and he's sitting
out there trying to battle in the media, and he
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has to speak up because the owner at the owner's
meetings pretty much said, I don't know who his agent is, dude.
Speaker 3 (16:40):
His agent is David Milgedda. He's one of the most
prominent guys in the league. What is Jerry doing and
what does he is?
Speaker 2 (16:48):
It?
Speaker 1 (16:48):
Is it time for Uncle Jerry to step back? And
let you know, cousin Steven take up.
Speaker 2 (16:53):
It was time for Uncle Jerry to step back a
while ago. Crazy, but you know what, it's Jerry's thing
and he can do what he wants to do it.
He said that time and time again, and he's right.
Yeah it is, He's right. But guess what. Guess what,
bro I love it.
Speaker 3 (17:09):
I enjoy it as an Eagles guy.
Speaker 2 (17:11):
Yet as an Eagles fan, it's incredible watching Jerry mess
up right.
Speaker 1 (17:17):
Right, Well, he waits too late for everything. He doesn't
he's over loyal. He doesn't like paining coaches that aren't
on his current sideline. This is why he keeps guys
until the bitter end. And with these contracts, it's like
there's an old adage, man, you know, Pat Kerwin has
talked about this other front office guys like the longer
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you wait, the more expensive it gets and he waits to.
Speaker 3 (17:40):
The last minute.
Speaker 2 (17:42):
Don bro It's so dumb, it really is. And on
the opposite end of the spectrum are the Eagles. They
don't they get guys done. They get guys done. They
you know, they make mistakes every now and then, paying
people too early or whatever, every now and then, not
very often. I'd rather make mistakes paying a guy too
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early than waiting, waiting, waiting, and see, boy, I wonder
if this guy is going to give me a discount something.
Speaker 3 (18:14):
What are you? Nobody's given the Dallas cot.
Speaker 1 (18:18):
Well, have you ever in your in your time you
were in the league for a few years when you
were a free agent, ever did you did you ever
visit Dallas?
Speaker 3 (18:26):
Did you ever have any negotiations?
Speaker 2 (18:28):
No, dude, listen to me. You and I know who
I am. I don't have much of an ego and
one of that many teams interested in the medal free agency.
But look you.
Speaker 1 (18:41):
You look don don don mcdad's rookie year, Andy Reid,
you led the team and touchdown set.
Speaker 2 (18:50):
There And let me tell you that was one of
one of the best meetings I had with the coach
about my abilities. Andy brought me in I'm a small
I was a smart like nowadays might not be a
small tight end. I'm a little.
Speaker 1 (19:02):
Shorter talking about and he brought me in and he said,
he was like, look, I don't know how your confidence
it is because I know.
Speaker 2 (19:14):
I know what your deficiency is in football. You're not
a very good blocker in line block. But there are
a lot of things that you can do and you
do well. And he said, I don't know that many
tight ends in the league who are versatile and run
like you. So what we're going to do is take
advantage of the things you do well. He said, I'm
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not going to part on what you don't do well,
but we're going to get you better. But I only
come who's not yelling at me because I can't block
Reggie White.
Speaker 3 (19:52):
Well who did that.
Speaker 2 (19:55):
Exactly. And I'm being extreme, But you're not just yelling
at because I'm not because I'm not Kyle Brady, who's
the two hundred and eighty pounds.
Speaker 3 (20:06):
Brady, he was glorified offensive tackle.
Speaker 2 (20:12):
I remember, I love I loved watching him block.
Speaker 3 (20:17):
Good dude, man.
Speaker 2 (20:17):
Yeah, he's a monster. You get that guy, and you
spect Luther who's who came out of college as a
borified big wide receiver because I'm out there running rouse
and then then you bring me in here and you
just stick me down there at the play tight end
on the line. Man.
Speaker 3 (20:38):
That's not how That's not how you would have That's
not And I saw.
Speaker 1 (20:41):
Early highlights of you with some of these coaches, even
with Seaford, and the way they deployed you at times.
Speaker 3 (20:46):
It drove me.
Speaker 1 (20:47):
Your classic move tight end, that's the West Coast offense here.
You you tied in move tight end they call it.
And that's what your game was in terms of you know.
Speaker 2 (20:55):
H back time to bro. Here's the crazy thing about it.
Back up tight end, firm me die not a superstar,
just sat back on the team. Guess what Andy did.
Guess what Andy did. And he put in a whole
package for me. Don't get packaged tight ends, don't get packages.
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And he called it a Luther package. He called it,
he called the Tiger Luther. And I know I'm in
the game and I'm going to be able to get
some stuff.
Speaker 1 (21:27):
You've got your own and expression Andy Reid gave you
a tag.
Speaker 3 (21:32):
Oh my god, dude, I had.
Speaker 2 (21:34):
I had my own set of plays. Tiger Luthor get
in the game and that dude, I'm not bragging. I'm
just telling you how he built how he built my
confidence and didn't kick me. He didn't kick me man,
because of the things I didn't do well, and he
brought my confidence that I didn't have a lot of time.
(21:56):
And I'm not saying that my coaches, especially my position
coach in Carolina, I love that. I'm not saying those
guys weren't be coaching and I'm not saying that they
worked on me. And I'm not saying they those particular
diapoles on what I couldn't do. I'm telling you what
Auntie did. What he did was in still confidence and
(22:19):
he and he told me to capitalize on the things
that i'd be well. He said, make sure you're doing
that that then you do well. You show that. Now
we're going to work on your blocking. They're not a
very good in line boxer, so we're going to have
you out after the practice and we're going to work
on some things. But what I do know, as I can,
if I stick you out here in too tight a
(22:41):
information and the other team brings it takes out nickel
and plays base that you're going to destroy their linebacker
or their strong fifty covering me. I'm gonna put some
plays in employees. That built my confidence, dude. That's why.
And I believed again that I could play in the
NFL because the guys people think that like professional aren't real.
(23:05):
They don't have the normal feelings. Dude. I was like,
I can't play. I can't play in this league. I'm
I might not be good enough. That's how I was
for a while. John, When did.
Speaker 3 (23:16):
When did the light?
Speaker 2 (23:17):
When?
Speaker 3 (23:17):
When did it go? When did it? Did it click
in ninety or had success before? When did it go off?
Speaker 2 (23:25):
I can tell you. I can start off by telling
me when it really got broken? And you could take
one guess. The name rhymes with mod Mooden.
Speaker 1 (23:37):
We know the great, the great form of Super Bowl,
said John Gruden. We've heard the story and let's keep
it there.
Speaker 2 (23:43):
But you and John, John, John didn't think I could
play football?
Speaker 3 (23:46):
John?
Speaker 2 (23:48):
Football? What I could play?
Speaker 3 (23:50):
Why not? What did what did?
Speaker 2 (23:51):
So?
Speaker 3 (23:52):
John? You weren't soft? I know this, but I know
this story ductive.
Speaker 2 (23:57):
John was kund of productive. He treated me like I'm
not gonna say the word because I remember that word
on the radio. He treated me like crap, dude. He listen,
My dad is one of those tough love dads. Words
don't bother me. You could tell me, Lucy, you're afing
up and all I'm thinking. All I'm thinking, and you
(24:18):
tell me if I worked here doing what I heard
was Luther, you made some mistakes. Shire. We gotta we
gotta change that, and you gotta coaching. You got to
bother me. He doesn't bother me.
Speaker 1 (24:30):
An exit ramp from being a just a belligerent, counterproductive screamer,
which Gruden a lot of people said the same thing
about him. And look, he's got some bona fides in
all respect to his There's got to be an exit
ramp from yelling at somebody. The exit ramp needs to
be okay. We we've got that out of the way.
Even Parcels had an act for this. But then where's
(24:51):
the teaching coming in? Belichick, master of that dude.
Speaker 2 (24:54):
Listen, man, I remember Chad Lewis said, whoa Chad always
called me bro? He said, Bro, what did you do
to Brude? I said, what do you mean? He said, Bro?
Speaker 3 (25:04):
He just.
Speaker 2 (25:09):
He's like he's like he kills me everything you do.
He doesn't. He doesn't really coach you up. He just
goes off on you. And I was like, Chad, I
don't know, dude. I was distraught. Man. I was like, Chad,
I don't know, Dade. I don't know what I did.
Who I said something I said? I don't know, bro.
And uh, but when I left, when I when I left,
(25:34):
uh Mini camp? And I might have told this story
before when I left Mini Camp or you know what
I did, John, Yeah, I went home, went back to Furman,
start talking to some people to start working on my
(25:56):
grad school because I didn't think I was good enough.
I didn't think I could fun.
Speaker 3 (26:00):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (26:00):
Yeah, And that's smart, that's that's that's a smart thing
to do anything.
Speaker 2 (26:05):
My cousin went off on I mean, he was like,
are you crazy? He was like, dude, you you're a baller.
You know, it's says some you know, people who know you,
who can tell you when you need to bleep off
or when you need to wake up and wake and
you know how it is a lot of family can
do that to you. Oh, I know the people you
(26:26):
trust can tell you the worst things about you. Those
are the people who get a pass. Uh. You know,
you can tell me how much of a jerk. I
am if if if you, if you're not, I don't.
I'm not seeking your your opinion. It doesn't hurt me,
it doesn't bother me.
Speaker 1 (26:46):
Well just quickly before before we hit it, because we're
on a clock. Unfortunately this happens all the time. But
I'm gonna just claim this is my own because Doc Climban,
who has ripped off a lot of people on Twitter
for their content, including me, over the years. I don't
think he ripped this off from us, but he did.
You sent me a tweet from him, a little screenshot,
and I just want to make sure I give him
(27:08):
credit even though this is our bit.
Speaker 3 (27:11):
The ninety nine Eagles.
Speaker 1 (27:12):
Team under Andy Reid produced nine future head coaches, and
the man on this phone right now, Luther Broden, played
for each of them. Brad Childress, David Cully, Pat Schirmer,
Ron Rivera, who's now the GM out of cal Less,
Frasier Spags, John Harball, Doug Peterson, and and let's not
forget Sean who is the Deuyt Shrewd of the staff
(27:34):
as you've got assistant to the assistant.
Speaker 2 (27:37):
To the But you but you knew when you met him,
like because when he didn't know. You always started from
the bottom. Yeah, yeah, when you when you met and
you knew like this guy, this guy is something.
Speaker 3 (27:55):
The coaching tree is insane.
Speaker 1 (27:58):
At some point, I'm gonna I'm gonna pull you aside
and we're gonna find a way.
Speaker 3 (28:04):
It's never gonna happen to.
Speaker 1 (28:05):
Get all of them on a conference call together for
the ultimate Mega cast, the Andy Reid Reunion, which will
never happen. But look, it's it's great lou catching up
with you. I do have one last thing to say
before we hit this very quick break.
Speaker 3 (28:20):
The Toush push.
Speaker 1 (28:21):
I think there should be something like, you know, you've
got a Hall pass, you've got the speed pass. How
about a Toush pass. What's a game coach pulls out
a card, pulls out a car and says, look, here's
my toush pass. I get won a game and then
everybody wins. No, I'm with you. You You've turned me
around on this the rest of the learn how.
Speaker 2 (28:40):
To stop honest, just be honest, Louis.
Speaker 3 (28:46):
We got to hit it, man. It's great to hear
your voice, Bud. This is fun, all right, brother,
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