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Speaker 1 (00:00):
In an effort to fulfill the journalistic integrity of being
a voice for the voiceless. We're diving right back into
a topic I don't see anyone else talking about the
epidemic of despair and even many many suicides happening among
our chronic pain patient population. A chronic pain suffer is
joining me with his personal story and how he's trying
to put an end to the suffering and silence. Also
(00:23):
a reminder to empower you by letting you know how
to be prepared for whatever may come down the pike,
the news you need to know, but with solutions and hope.
This is Get Free with Christie Lee. As you said,
(00:57):
my futured guest today is an intractable pain patient, a
pro say litigant, patient advocate, and a public educator. David
Smith is a scoliosis patient who's had two radical back
surgeries and he understands having to live life in constant pain.
He is joining me now, David, thank you so much
for being here. I can't tell you how many emails
(01:19):
and messages I've gotten, and if any of those folks
are watching, I'm sorry. I've been overwhelmed with those just
wanting to be heard this is a topic that is
not getting the attention it needs.
Speaker 2 (01:33):
Well, thank you very much for having me and being
willing to discuss this topic because it's one that people
don't want to touch.
Speaker 1 (01:43):
And part of that is this propaganda campaign, this stigmatization
of those that need to be on pay med medication,
because we do have a drug crisis. We do have
a fentanyl crisis, and much of that is attributed to
well China, as Trump would say, and they're pushing fentanyl
(02:05):
into our borders and the cartels, but they're using doctors
and patients as the scapegoats for the failures of not
getting this under control, are they not?
Speaker 2 (02:18):
That's right. And the originally what happened was that the
opioid crisis was blamed on prescription opioid medications and that
came from the CDC, and that's not correct. Prescription opioid
medications didn't have anything to do with all of the
(02:39):
parabolic rise in the number of deaths that's occurring. So yeah,
scapegoating is the correct term. And paying patients have really
really had a hard time since well a decade now.
Speaker 3 (02:53):
Wow.
Speaker 1 (02:54):
Yeah, so this is a long time coming, and I
understand you have some studies that can corroborate your argument
that this is being pushed off in the wrong direction.
But before we get into that, let's just get into
your personal story of having to be reliant in a
(03:15):
sense to pain medication and what your journey has been personally.
Speaker 2 (03:23):
Well. Yes, at age sixteen, I had the first surgery,
which was a Harrington rod implant and the fusion of
my thoracic spine. I had a s curb sculliosis, so
I had implanted rod in the fusion at the spiness
processes at the back of my spine. And also you
(03:43):
can see little torsion hooks that counteract rotation of the
rib and vertebrate in the rib cage there. So then
when I was forty five, I had a lumbar pednacle
screw fixation because my Lombard discs had all desiccated and
(04:05):
because of absorbing the shock over thirty years, right, they
had all blown out. So then they did my Lombard
surgery in two thousand and nine, and that's when I
became an intractable pain patient and dependent upon opioid medications
on a daily basis in order just to be able
to function.
Speaker 1 (04:25):
And so what is your journey, ben Like, were you
introduced to opioids at sixteen when you first had your surgery,
and then you've just had to kind of take this
journey of getting the right dosage to make it able
for you to live a normal life.
Speaker 2 (04:43):
Well, it's interesting because, of course when you have surgery,
and when I had this surgery at age sixteen, that
was a two week hospitalization that happened in nineteen seventy nine,
and of course I was treated in the hospital with opioids,
and I had prescription after the hospitalization, but then recovered,
(05:04):
and you know, I had this back brace that I
wore for a year, and I was back in high
school marching in the band that fall. That surgery happened
in June, and I was in high school in September.
In those days, schools started after Labor Day. But then
I had no appreciable treatment. I was not prescribed opioids
(05:25):
long term, and I went on to have my life
and I had multiple other surgeries for other reasons over
the years. And as most people do. Ninety nine point
nine percent of the people, when you have surgery, you're
given your pain medication, you take them, you recover, you
move on. With your life, end of story. And that's
(05:47):
what happens with the vast majority of people. And that
was my trajectory. So I wasn't an opioid patient all
through my twenties, thirties, and forties. No, except during a
surgical recovery. Then forty five. Oh I'm sorry, now go ahead.
(06:08):
When I was forty five. The lumbar pedicle screws, I
don't know if you could see them. I have my
lumbar discs of the vertebrae are all have pedicle screws
on each side and then it's bolted into the back
of my pelvis. So then that effectively made me have
a one bone from the pelvis to the top of
my thoracic spine. I can move my necks, shoulders, and
(06:30):
hips and that's it. And I have what's called a
ratenoid itis, which is inflammation of the spinal canal, the
sack that holds the nerves inside the spine. Because of
I had spinal cord crush injuries and nerve injuries. And
I also had what's called a ct miligram, which is
(06:50):
a diagnostic study during the workup for the lumbar surgery,
where they inject to die into the canal to have
a better look. Well, they accidentally punctured my spinal duras
sack right, and so then I leaked all my spinal
fluid out, had another hospitalization over the weekend, and then
(07:11):
that sealed the deal for me to have this chronic
inflammatory issue called a rachnoid itis inside the spinal canal.
So that's when I became an intractable pain patient in
two thousand and nine, dependent on daily opioids just to
be able to get out of bed and eat and
carry on.
Speaker 1 (07:30):
Right, And so I go ahead, I was going to.
Speaker 2 (07:37):
Say, we'll get to the end of this entire picture.
I was appropriately treated, had great pain care. I lived
in California at that time. I lived in California for
twenty five years. That's where I had the lumbar surgery,
had appropriate pain treatment. Then suddenly we had to move.
We lost our lease in twenty twenty two. The owner
wanted to sell the condo where we lived, so we
had to move. Suddenly, couldn't find housing with them my budget,
(08:00):
So I decided to return to North Texas. My eighty
three year old mother loops with me. I'm her caretaker.
If you can imagine a disabled person trying to be
a caretaker. So we moved to North Texas and I
was denied my pain medications there. They would not prescribe
my pain medications and wanted me to take a medication
(08:21):
that's intended for people that have substance use disorder. Well,
I don't have substance use disorder. I have daily intractable pain.
So we ended up moving to Arizona because in twenty
twenty two, Arizona passed an intractable pain law where persons
with intractable pain or cancer are exempt supposedly exempt from
(08:42):
dose caps. So I was able to get my short
term opioid reinstated in twenty twenty two, but I'm still
without my long acting daily opioid, so I'm receiving approximately
half the dose on which I had been stable for
the eight years prior to being dumped off my pain
medications in Texas. And of course now I have high
(09:05):
blood pressure and daily struggles with pain, and my functionality decreased.
I was enabled to continue working my part time's job.
It's a bad situation.
Speaker 1 (09:19):
And as another doctor described on an earlier show, when
you're put in a situation like that where you are
responsively using a medication in order to live as normal
of a life as you possibly can, and then you're
suddenly taking off of it and dealing with intense pain.
(09:40):
You can understand how this leads to a desperation by
certain pain patients. Worst case scenario obviously being suicide. But
next next level is them trying to source pain medication
just to function. They try and so or's that off
(10:00):
the streets, which is what the federal government is supposed
to be trying to get a handle on. So they're
actually causing in epidemic an issue by applying regulation to
the wrong area. Right, Did I get that right?
Speaker 2 (10:20):
You got it right. You know, when a person loses
access or is force tapered too rapidly, or suddenly dumped
off their pain medications. There are known medical risks to that,
including high blood pressure that is not responsive to blood
(10:40):
pressure medications, risk of heart attack and stroke increase, and
of course, as you said, the risk of suicide skyrockets.
So we're having an epidemic of deaths because of the
restrictions of access to opioids. And as you say, there
are patients, not very many, but if you who try
(11:04):
to source their pain medications from the streets, and then
they end up not making it.
Speaker 1 (11:13):
So let's talk about how hard it is to get
this message out, because if you or or a loved
one haven't experienced chronic pain, it would be hard to
understand what it's like living with that and having something
that helps you lead a normal life just to feel normal,
(11:33):
as opposed to to, you know, the desperation of just
constant chronic suffering. So those that don't haven't experienced that
personally or don't have a loved one, they have probably
a hard time wrapping their mind around this because from
since you know, grade school, they were told how bad
drugs are on too. Now we know that there's been
(11:57):
movies done exposing Big farm Agreed and how they've intentionally
gotten folks onto medication that they can be susceptible to
addiction from. And certainly Big Farma didn't make any friends
with what they sought we saw them do with the
rushed vaccines and people being injured or dying from these
(12:17):
experimental jabs. So it's created a really tough environment to
have an open conversation about with all those factors considered.
So what is your response to particularly the danger of
(12:39):
this addiction and the greed of the big pharmas to
to get other folks addicted after like say, a minor injury,
like like a sports injury or something, and then people
get addicted, and then you know, and so on the
domino effect there. What is your response as far as
that goes?
Speaker 2 (13:02):
Okay, that's a big topic, and you're correct, we're dealing
with a lot of propaganda. The official narrative has been
very coordinated, and all of the mainstream media and all
of the Hollywood movies and everything you see on TV
continue to talk about that narrative, like you describe the
(13:28):
person in high school that had a sports injury and
got addicted to opioids. Well, the facts are again, like
I said, the vast majority ninety nine point ninety ninety
ninety ninety percent of people can be prescribed and opioid
(13:49):
for a trauma or surgery, take it, recover and move
on with their life. And we had the case that
when it first got introduced into the public narrative that
the pharmaceutical companies were responsible was in the late nineties,
and Purdue Pharma and the Sacklers were sued because of
(14:13):
they allegedly misrepresented the long acting opioid drug called OxyContin
as being non addictive, and there's a controversy about whether
or not that allegation is actually true. And there is
(14:33):
a controversy about whether pharmaceutical companies flooded the streets with
opioid medications because a lot of diversion was still happening
in those days, and there are a lot of people
taking that long term acting opioid, long acting opioidlit on
(14:54):
an illicit basis, a non medical basis, and combination with
other drugs. So we have that narrative continually perpetrated in
the media, and the CDC originally published their CDC Guidelines
in twenty sixteen based on that narrative that prescription opioid
(15:17):
medications work the cause of the parabolic rise in deaths
that began in about twenty fifteen, And none of that
is true because there had been what's called a pill mill,
where there were unscrupulous doctors who would just give a
prescription to anyone who came in the door, but those
(15:38):
were shut down many years ago. So that entire narrative
about you can take one pill and become addicted is
just not true. In the first place, and yet that's
the propaganda that we're told day after day after day. Right,
(15:59):
it's not a good situation.
Speaker 1 (16:02):
Yeah, I mean, and I think that something that most
people now can get their minds wrapped around is this
notion that the government has been honest about this, because
what you're passionate about is getting out to the public
that everything that we've been told about opioids is a lie.
And that's easier for many people to wrap their minds
around because we've been lied to about so many other
(16:26):
things up until this point, and particularly we had our
eyes open in the past four years with this pandemic
we'll call it now, the CDC. You know, they, as
you said, put out the narrative that the prescription opioid medications,
the prescription opioid medications, were the cause of the opioid crisis,
(16:49):
and you know you shared some of that information. You're
trying to get to set the records straight. And if
it's not the prescription opioid medications, what are you attributing
to the cause of an opioid crisis or in your mind,
is there even an opioid crisis?
Speaker 2 (17:10):
Well? Yes, what the government is ignoring you know they
want to blame everything on the medication, and these medications
have legitimate medical uses for reasons other than like what
I have chronic daily intractable pain that's insufferable. I have
(17:32):
a report from a cancer patient who survived her colon
cancer and an unintended side effect of her chemotherapy is
that she has uncontrollable vomiting. And of course she has
problems absorbing the medications and is also a fast metabolizer,
(17:55):
what we call a fast metabolizer. She has a genetic
issue the way her liver expels opioids from her body
at a very fast rate. So in order to control
her condition, she add a very high dose of opioid medications,
which of course she can no longer get because the
(18:15):
government won't let that happen. So can you imagine having
uncontrolled vomiting on a daily basis that the only thing
that can control that is how those opioids that you
can no longer get. So there are legitimate medical reasons
for these prescriptions. However, the government is ignoring the socioeconomic
(18:36):
and psychosocial factors. Let's say, of addiction. People don't become
addicted to a substance when exposed to the substance. There's
a whole lot of other factors, such as their personality traits.
Some say there's a genetic composition for addiction, the economic
(19:00):
you know, socioeconomic factors where people live in despair with
no hope, they have maybe no education, no opportunity, and
all of those factors contribute to becoming addicted and seeking
out medications or drugs to use on a non medical
(19:21):
basis from the streets. So the government's ignoring all this
and wants to blame it on the medication. So there's
a problem there, but they knew. I have a document
from two thousand and seven from the Weekly Morbidity and
Mortality Report published by the CDC, and they were seeing
(19:42):
the illicit fentanyl compounds we call them analog compounds, that
what people are getting on the street is not pharmacological
grade fentanyl that is used in medical settings. Right, So
that began showing up in two thousand and five six seven.
(20:04):
The document I have, I believe is published in two
thousand and seven where they began to see and increase
in deaths from this illicit fentanyl on the street and
that population of people using those drugs on a non
medical basis, are not the patients like myself and other
people who have been prescribed opioids on a long term
(20:27):
basis for a medical reason. That's a completely different cohort
of persons. You understand what I'm saying. So the government
has thrown us all together in this mix when in reality,
this is two completely different cohorts of people.
Speaker 1 (20:48):
Yeah, and as you said, even two different things that
they're taking. You know, there's the medical rate and then
what you're saying is what people find in the streets,
which isn't comparable. So you had mentioned that there was
a study that they were attributing, you know, overdose deaths
(21:09):
in twenty ten to they were attributing the cause to
prescription opioid medications. But you say it was not that.
Speaker 2 (21:23):
That's right. I don't have it pulled up right here.
But one of the exhibits in my lawsuit, I filed
a federal Torque Claims Act lawsuit for injury cause to
me when I was dumped off my pain medication because
of these regulations. And one of the exhibits there is
a recent study where the data analysts took the CDC
(21:48):
data of mortality and all that and all the way
back to the late nineties and categorized that and learned
that prescriptions, you know, a person being prescribed their medication
and taking that as prescribed, had nothing to do with
(22:10):
the parabolic rise and the increase of depths. It's always
been the illicit drugs taken on a non medical basis,
and usually polypharmacy, right, so they might be taking more
than one substance and or adding alcohol into that mix.
And don't get me wrong, there are patients who are
prescribed to prescription who do die. Whether or not the
(22:36):
prescription is the cause of the death is a whole
nother ball of wax, because when coroners find that in
their system upon a death right, they automatically attributed to
that medication, when in fact it may have been another cause.
So this study looked at the government's own data and
(22:58):
then found that no, in fact, prescriptions are not the problem.
And yet this is the narrative continually pumped out, and
the regulations that are now in place are based upon
that false narrative that prescriptions were the problem.
Speaker 1 (23:16):
Now, as far as looking for motivations for why this
has become a problem and chronic pain people are suffering
I mean usually you look to like, okay, what motivations
are there in terms of greed, you know, and it
would make it hard to answer that question because it
seems that you would want more people to be taking medication,
(23:38):
not less. So do you see the motivation here for
why it's become like this is because they just needed
a scapegoat as far as an easy scapegoat and easy
target to appear as if they're doing something about drug overduces,
and it's easier to play it on this than to
(24:02):
address the real problems.
Speaker 2 (24:06):
Well, there's I want to talk about two parts to
the question about greed or some sort of motivation problem,
and the first is that we have a huge can
of worms back in the timeframe before the twenty sixteen
CDC guidelines were formulated and published, because that agency was
(24:32):
captured by a group of physicians who are addiction psychiatrists
who do not treat pain, and in fact, one or
more employees at the CDC joined in with that group
of physicians called the Physicians for Responsible Opioid Prescribing, and
(24:55):
they have taken a very anti opioid stance. They don't
want anybody take opioids for any reason. So we have
the issue of CDC employees possibly having inappropriate, unethical relationships
with that group that captured the CDC, that influenced the
(25:21):
formulation of the prescribing guidelines. And then we have the
pharmaceutical possible motive there because about that same time a
new drug was created for the treatment of substance use
(25:42):
disorder called suboxone. You may have heard of that, or buperenrphine,
which is suboxone is a combination of drugs, but bupernorphine
is just singular drug, and those are not intended for
the treatment of pain. We have the pharmaceutical companies stating
in a deposition that those are not indicated for the
(26:04):
treatment of pain. And yet now that's what they want
to do is dump everybody off their full agonist opioids,
which are very cheap and effective, and put everybody on
these very expensive, ineffective bupenorphin and seboxone. Right, So there's
a possible financial motive there too. And of course the
(26:27):
addiction psychiatrists get to run their clinics and diagnose everybody
with substance use disorder when they really don't have substance
use disorder and treat these people, right, So there's a
possible financial motive. So there were two parts. The second
part of this monster is that the regulations that are
(26:47):
in place now, the DEA is setting dose caps, like
they don't want anybody taking more than a certain amount
of medications. So because of the public Health Emergency declarations
in the opioid crisis, the government gets to completely skirt
whatever law they want to. So they have taken Medicare
(27:10):
beneficiary data and examined the confidential patient information right, and
they're data mining to find out who's taking medications in
excess what they believe to be excessive, and they're going
after doctors who are prescribing these medications. So rather than
(27:33):
have the medical board send the doctor a letter or
try to resolve it peacefully, the DEA will raid the
doctor's office with the swat team and guns and the
whole bit, close the office, seize the assets of the doctor, house, car, money, home,
(27:53):
whatever it is, prosecute them, which we just recently saw
in Philadelphia a week ago, doctor Naunt got convicted of
just unbelievably ridiculous charges by the DEA. So there is
the motivation of the policing for profit, you know, asset
(28:14):
forfeiture that's happening at the DEA. So there are conflicts
of interest going on here.
Speaker 1 (28:21):
Something has got to be done about civil asset forfeiture
because I have done a number of interviews who have
suffered at the hands of the government, and it's just
so clear. It's just it's acidine that before people are
even guilty, before they've even had a day in court,
they can lose their entire property. I mean, the government
could just steal it from them on the front end
(28:42):
and then rationalize stealing it from them on the back end.
It's disgusting. And so you've done an excellent job at
food for thought as far as the motivations for why
this is happening, as we've certainly also saw examples of
them putting down drugs that they can't make as much
money on ibermagazine, hydrox corquin and and raising the that
(29:09):
I'll look for other h I think it's called pe packs,
Lovid or something.
Speaker 2 (29:15):
Reviseevere was the COVID, Yeah.
Speaker 1 (29:17):
And highlighting those things that are actually dangerous because they
can charge more. And and so this is another thing
that we can look to as far as being able
to understand this. Uh, that we have evidence for another situations.
So you have been doing what you can as far
as litigation. What what are you able to tell me
(29:38):
as far as how that's moving along?
Speaker 2 (29:42):
Well, I did file federal torque claims. That claim over
the bodily injury calls to me.
Speaker 3 (29:50):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (29:50):
Usually government employees are immune from being sued when they
are working in their normal capacity inter laws and regulations
and such. But there are exceptions to that immunity, and
I found that all three agencies that I charged, DEADJ
(30:11):
and CDC sue the directors of those agencies their harms,
the harms they caused me did fall within those exemptions.
So I also added constitutional questions to that lawsuit on
the basis of Fifth Amendment violations because the government has
(30:33):
in essence taken away proper appropriate opioid medications for the
patients for whom those are indicated, And there are other
classes of controlled substances now that the DEA says you
can't have anymore, so that they're coming after anxiety patients,
ADHD patients, fatigued patients. They don't want any of those
(30:55):
controlled substances prescribed. So the constitution utional question is, since
they've taken away those medications, which now puts the patients
in a position of being harmed and to the point
of even dying now from the known medical risks and
from suicide. That's a fitth Amendment violation because we're being
(31:19):
deprived liberty and actually life without due process right. So
that lawsuit is pending at the district court. Since I'm
a pro say litigant, the judge has to make sure
my complaint has no deficiencies. He has to approve that
I proceed without paying a filing fee because I'm just
a poor guy on disability benefits, and allow me to
(31:42):
proceed as a pro say litigant. Okay, So that is
pending at the judge's desk. Just recently last week, filed
a notice with Department of Health and Human Services under
the Administrative Procedures Act A Section five. Thee notice because
(32:02):
any person can request a review of the regulation or
rule when there are problems that need to be addressed.
So when Robert F. Kennedy, Junior renewed the Public Health
Emergency Declaration in the Opioid Crisis, which has to be
renewed periodically, I don't remember if it's every ninety days,
(32:23):
I can't remember off the top of my head. I
immediately thought, okay, here's another way. We can send an
official notice to them, list all of the problems that
we've talked about today and many more, and say, look,
we want you to take a look at this. Patients
are being harmed and killed. We've notified you about this
(32:45):
for years. We want to take a look, and if
we don't get resolution from them, I'll file another district
court case so that a judge so that we can
get judicial review. So that's kind of where I'm at
with those two projects.
Speaker 1 (33:00):
So with this new administration and the make America Healthy
Again efforts, are you feeling more confident or more scared
about being able to make headway? From my perspective, Trump
has been very favorable to things that involve deregulation, and
(33:23):
that seems to be something that needs to happen in
this situation. It's overly regulated so that people that actually
needed are finding it difficult to get what they need.
So deregulation would would be a hopeful sentiment. Again, this
is just from my own personal outside perspective. But on
the other end, what I would fear is because they
(33:45):
make America healthy again, effort is more favorable to natural solutions,
integrative health as opposed to prescription medications and big pharma,
et cetera. That would be something that would cause some
pause for people in that movement to take a serious
(34:06):
look at this. So where are you standing at this
with that in terms of how you're approaching this to administration?
Speaker 2 (34:16):
Well, there are two things I would say. Again, what's
happened is that the government has taken this stance that
the opioids are a problem, nobody should be taking them,
when in fact that's not true. There are a whole
you know, millions, there's a whole category of patients for
(34:37):
whom those are appropriate and they should be allowed to
take those. I'm not opposed to natural medications and natural
ways of doing things. That's great, but right now today
we don't have an alternative for these patients with these
severe problems that need these different classes of controlled substances.
(34:58):
So we need The problem is the gears of government
grind really slow now, right. So this has happened over
the period of a decade, and here we are with
the rules and regulations that are in place, and we
just need somebody to listen to us and look at
the actual evidence, which is what I've been trying to
do is get it in front of them so that
(35:20):
they can look and see how many, you know, we
estimate over one hundred thousand people have died since these
regulations were put in place. I'll read you something from
the Veteran Suicide Report here in a minute about that,
but anyway, I'll stay on topic for the moment, which is, yes,
I believe that with the push for deregulation and stuff
(35:43):
like that, we will have a favorable outcome if we
can get someone to listen to us and look at
the evidence. I forgot what the second part of what
I wanted to look at, but I'll go right here
to the Veteran Suicide Report, which was published last and
it's about veterans suicide between twenty twenty and twenty twenty two,
(36:06):
and it says right here, among recent veteran Veteran Health
Administration users whose suicide deaths occurred in twenty twenty through
twenty twenty two and which were reported to the Veterans
Health Administration Suicide Prevention Teams, Veterans Administration Behavioral Health Autopsy
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PROGRAMMED data indicated that the most frequently identified risk factors
were pain at fifty three point eight percent, sleep problems
fifty one point four percent, increased health problems forty two
point five percent, recent declines in physical ability thirty four
(36:53):
point three percent, relationship problems thirty three point one percent,
hopelessness thirty point four percent, impulsivity, and unsecured firearms in
the home. So the Veterans Administration is admitting that veterans
are committing suicide because of issues they're having because of
(37:15):
untreated and undertreated pain, but they will not go so
far as to say the reason there's untreated and undertreated
pain is because of the government regulations restricting access to
proper appropriate medications of controlled substances. So, you know, this
is why I'm pursuing litigation. I need a judge to
look at this stuff because the agencies.
Speaker 3 (37:36):
Are yeah, And I think that at the core of
the Maha movement and those that signed on to the
ideals and the values of a turn administration would be
freedom and allowing people to have the freedom to access the.
Speaker 1 (37:59):
Health care attention that they want. So if people want
to explore further natural remedies, then they have the freedom
to do that. And if they have found something that's
working for them that he doesn't fall in that category.
They have the freedom to do that. I mean, we
saw that again when it came to the pandemic. We
had federal agencies butting into the doctor and patient relationship
(38:23):
and not allowing people to make their own decisions. So
even at the core of the MAHA movement, if people
want to get an mRNA vaccine, okay, fine try it out.
You know, there's many of us that would not want
to do that. But I think at again, at the core,
I think we're all on the same page that we
want to allow people to have the freedom to seek
(38:43):
the healthcare that they need and want responsibly.
Speaker 2 (38:50):
Well, let's go down that road. Because in the Medicare
Act forty two USC, thirteen ninety five O six, and
thirteen ninety five, federal employee an agency interference with the
practice of medicine is completely prohibited. So it's the Public
Health Emergency Declaration that is allowing government agencies to skirt
all of these laws. They scrape our private patient data
(39:13):
that's supposed to be regulated by the Hippaact and protected there.
The CDC is injecting curriculum now into the medical schools
with their anti opioid propaganda. So all of this is illegal,
and yet the Public Health Emergency Declaration allows the agencies
to skirt all of these different laws. So that's why
I want Robert Kennedy Junior and Department of Health and
(39:36):
Human Services to take a look at what I've sent
them and review the Public Health Emergency Declaration so that
we do not have it declared again as it stands.
If they want to declare an emergency about the fentanyl
analog compounds coming over the border, great, but it's time
we restored the doctor patient relationship, restored freedom of patients
(39:57):
and doctors to choose what's best for the patient and
pro and get the government out of the doctor's office.
Speaker 1 (40:02):
Completely agreed, Yes, and so my time is ripping up
with you. So we were able to cover quite a bit.
But you can think on other things that maybe we
didn't touch upon and get back to me on what
you might want to do in a future episode. But
in the meantime, what is just quickly something that we
(40:23):
can all do to help in this effort.
Speaker 2 (40:28):
Well, you can please follow me on X. I think
my ex handle is placed up there on the little
banner David E. Smithy, I'm also considering opening a substack
account because I want to take a deep dive and
write some articles and do more real deep diving. Like
you say, we've covered a lot, but the subject matter
is practically limitless, so we're going to start taking deep
(40:51):
dives and put them on a substack account. Also, I'm
going to be on a panel on the doc Talks podcast.
Doctor Forrest Tennant has a podcast every Thursday, so I'll
be placing that on the subsect account and on it.
So please follow me for details and I'll post updates
about the legal situation as it goes.
Speaker 1 (41:10):
Excellent, awesome, Well, thank you so much, David, and I
pray that you will get some peace and comfort and
that your you know, your pain will be bearable while
you try and work work these things out and hopefully
find others to amplify your voice. So thank you so much, David,
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Speaker 1 (45:17):
All right, welcome back. Excited to invite my friend Brett
Miller in to talk about what I was talking about.
Being prepared for anything, and I think that at the
top of the list is certainly communication and bright.
Speaker 5 (45:32):
You've been keeping busy, oh yeah, watching the world burn
quite literally. I mean I was just paying attention to
New Jersey. I grew up in Pennsylvania, oh me sadly, yeah,
and the New Jersey just had one of the biggest
fires in the last twenty years. And then you know
that they tailing that on the This is coming into
the biggest fire season of all. So you know, I'm
(45:53):
just I'm trying to stay positive and you know, keeping
people alert and prepared and letting people know you know
that cammunication, set up your networks, you know, just because
we're entering what appears to be better times, you know
that we're all praying for which is which is great.
You know, we still don't want to let our guard down.
So yeah, I've been busy. How about you? How you doing?
Speaker 1 (46:14):
Yeah, yeah, there's still no I was I will be honest.
There was a little bit of a concern when we
got into the term of administration that there would be
less to talk about because there, you know, wasn't the
constant things to report on with the Biden administration that
you know, the news the legacy media was covering up for.
But wow, I mean Trump is working at hyper speed.
(46:36):
I don't know how he does it. I was just
thinking about that today, like, oh my gosh, I see
a schedule. I just I just it's unbelievable, like how
much he's doing and how fast he's doing things, and
and so, yes, there's certainly been no shortage of things
to communicate about. But speaking of communication, I do really
think and am passionate about communication being people's first line
of defense in any kind of an emergency, because it's
(46:59):
really the communication that you need first to coordinate resources.
And so I just love working with a satellite phone
store SAT one two three dot com that has a
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satellite texting devices so that you can never get caught
off from communication and being able to coordinate and to
(47:22):
contact your loved ones. I just think it's so so
important and such a small price to pay for that
comfort and piece in knowing that you have that option
should mergencies come, Like you said, uh wow, uh, I've
never seen so many, and I'm gonna I've been doing
this news anchor thing for two decades I've never seen
(47:42):
so many emergencies, particularly with fires, fire after fire, and
and you know, if you were in a blue city,
I would caution people that live in a blue city
be prepared. It's always around you, because it seems like
a lot of these uh fires are happening and blue
areas coincidentally or maybe perhaps not coincidentally. So I particularly,
(48:05):
you know, feel pretty safe living in Texas, but I
live in the Lost Pines area, which has already been
hit with wildfires at another time. So definitely something to
be concerned about and continue to be concerned about. How
can people end up using these satellite devices and certain
circumstances like if they experience a wildfire situation.
Speaker 5 (48:27):
Yeah, yeah, and it's good to have it on the
forefront of your mind. You know, we don't want to
live in panic or fear, but preparedness of course. So yeah,
you know, I mean, if you consider any catastrophe, the
first thing to go would be cell tower or you know,
even if it doesn't get hit directly by the catastrophe,
you know, they jam up with about a thousand phone
calls around the same time, so you know, you figure
(48:49):
everyone's trying to call their daughters brothers, sisters, mothers who
don't live at home, because you know, we live in
this very uh spread out you know world right now
where everyone's in some different places. So everyone's trying to
get a hold of either emergency services or trying to
get a hold of their loved ones at the same time.
And then you know, the tower gets jammed up, it
shuts down, and now it needs a hard restart from
(49:09):
an actual tech to come out. And you know, if
you're in the middle of a catastrophe, it may be
quite some time so that actually takes place. So you know,
you always want to have a backup, right Like you know,
if you have a small kitchen fire, you have a
fire extinguisher or a fire blanket you know, close by.
I mean, that's just you do those things. And I
don't mean just to be hammering on fire. It's just
we've been seeing them, you know, to your point. And
(49:30):
you know, I live in the center of the country
and it's really dry already, and it's a little early
in the season to be as dry as it is,
so you know, it's just something on all of our minds,
you know. So yeah, you just you want to be prepared.
You want to like I said, you know a small
kitchen fire, you have a fire extinguisher, you have you
have a backup, you have a plan. You want to
put a plan in place. You want to be able
to get a hold of your loved ones if you
can't use your phone, you know, so you want to
(49:52):
use a backup device. So if the cell networks down,
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we just again, you know, we just want to put
We have great products and great devices, and we love
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and their loved ones and their needs, right the things
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of consider like, hey, you know, I have a spare
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can't you know, call my daughter because she's a college
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and selling the towers down, or she's experienced some sort
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So you know, again without the fear proponent, because you know,
we always want to live in love and grace, but
at the same time, preparedness is part of that, you know.
So we just we're here, you know, we love to
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Speaker 2 (50:54):
Us a call.
Speaker 5 (50:55):
Yeah, tell them Christy sent you and we've been a
big fan of yours for your career and we're honored
to work with you and your great team. So yeah,
just I just advise everyone to talk with your families
and set up a plan and then figure out how
you're going to connect with them when, if God forbids
anything ever goes awry.
Speaker 1 (51:14):
So yeah, and I love that you say that. You know,
we don't want to act out of fear, but we
should be a good steward of the things that God
has already given us. And he, you know, he wants
us to act out of being responsible. And you don't
know if you could be the lifeline for a neighbor
that is unprepared, you know, So just be thinking about
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And I know that Satellite Phone Store partners with so
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So but as always, I really appreciate you and your insights.
And it does seem like we always have an emergency
to talk to or talk about when we talk. You know,
we talk about twice a month, and it's like never fails,
(53:01):
like some there's just an emergency that's happened, which is
kind of crazy.
Speaker 5 (53:05):
Yeah, it's weird. Yeah, it's just telling you the times.
But thank you so much, Christy, and God bless you
and talk soon.
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In an effort to fulfill the journalistic integrity of being
a voice for the voiceless. We're diving right back into
a topic I don't see anyone else talking about the
epidemic of despair and even many many suicides happening among
our chronic pain patient population. A chronic pain suffer is
joining me with his personal story and how he's trying
to put an end to the suffering and silence. Also
(00:23):
a reminder to empower you by letting you know how
to be prepared for whatever may come down the pike,
the news you need to know, but with solutions and hope.
This is Get Free with Christie Lee. As you said,
(00:57):
my futured guest today is an intractable pain patient, a
pro say litigant, patient advocate, and a public educator. David
Smith is a scoliosis patient who's had two radical back
surgeries and he understands having to live life in constant pain.
He is joining me now, David, thank you so much
for being here. I can't tell you how many emails
(01:19):
and messages I've gotten, and if any of those folks
are watching, I'm sorry. I've been overwhelmed with those just
wanting to be heard this is a topic that is
not getting the attention it needs.
Speaker 2 (01:33):
Well, thank you very much for having me and being
willing to discuss this topic because it's one that people
don't want to touch.
Speaker 1 (01:43):
And part of that is this propaganda campaign, this stigmatization
of those that need to be on pay med medication,
because we do have a drug crisis. We do have
a fentanyl crisis, and much of that is attributed to
well China, as Trump would say, and they're pushing fentanyl
(02:05):
into our borders and the cartels, but they're using doctors
and patients as the scapegoats for the failures of not
getting this under control, are they not?
Speaker 2 (02:18):
That's right. And the originally what happened was that the
opioid crisis was blamed on prescription opioid medications and that
came from the CDC, and that's not correct. Prescription opioid
medications didn't have anything to do with all of the
(02:39):
parabolic rise in the number of deaths that's occurring. So yeah,
scapegoating is the correct term. And paying patients have really
really had a hard time since well a decade now.
Speaker 3 (02:53):
Wow.
Speaker 1 (02:54):
Yeah, so this is a long time coming, and I
understand you have some studies that can corroborate your argument
that this is being pushed off in the wrong direction.
But before we get into that, let's just get into
your personal story of having to be reliant in a
(03:15):
sense to pain medication and what your journey has been personally.
Speaker 2 (03:23):
Well. Yes, at age sixteen, I had the first surgery,
which was a Harrington rod implant and the fusion of
my thoracic spine. I had a s curb sculliosis, so
I had implanted rod in the fusion at the spiness
processes at the back of my spine. And also you
(03:43):
can see little torsion hooks that counteract rotation of the
rib and vertebrate in the rib cage there. So then
when I was forty five, I had a lumbar pednacle
screw fixation because my Lombard discs had all desiccated and
(04:05):
because of absorbing the shock over thirty years, right, they
had all blown out. So then they did my Lombard
surgery in two thousand and nine, and that's when I
became an intractable pain patient and dependent upon opioid medications
on a daily basis in order just to be able
to function.
Speaker 1 (04:25):
And so what is your journey, ben Like, were you
introduced to opioids at sixteen when you first had your surgery,
and then you've just had to kind of take this
journey of getting the right dosage to make it able
for you to live a normal life.
Speaker 2 (04:43):
Well, it's interesting because, of course when you have surgery,
and when I had this surgery at age sixteen, that
was a two week hospitalization that happened in nineteen seventy nine,
and of course I was treated in the hospital with opioids,
and I had prescription after the hospitalization, but then recovered,
(05:04):
and you know, I had this back brace that I
wore for a year, and I was back in high
school marching in the band that fall. That surgery happened
in June, and I was in high school in September.
In those days, schools started after Labor Day. But then
I had no appreciable treatment. I was not prescribed opioids
(05:25):
long term, and I went on to have my life
and I had multiple other surgeries for other reasons over
the years. And as most people do. Ninety nine point
nine percent of the people, when you have surgery, you're
given your pain medication, you take them, you recover, you
move on. With your life, end of story. And that's
(05:47):
what happens with the vast majority of people. And that
was my trajectory. So I wasn't an opioid patient all
through my twenties, thirties, and forties. No, except during a
surgical recovery. Then forty five. Oh I'm sorry, now go ahead.
(06:08):
When I was forty five. The lumbar pedicle screws, I
don't know if you could see them. I have my
lumbar discs of the vertebrae are all have pedicle screws
on each side and then it's bolted into the back
of my pelvis. So then that effectively made me have
a one bone from the pelvis to the top of
my thoracic spine. I can move my necks, shoulders, and
(06:30):
hips and that's it. And I have what's called a
ratenoid itis, which is inflammation of the spinal canal, the
sack that holds the nerves inside the spine. Because of
I had spinal cord crush injuries and nerve injuries. And
I also had what's called a ct miligram, which is
(06:50):
a diagnostic study during the workup for the lumbar surgery,
where they inject to die into the canal to have
a better look. Well, they accidentally punctured my spinal duras
sack right, and so then I leaked all my spinal
fluid out, had another hospitalization over the weekend, and then
(07:11):
that sealed the deal for me to have this chronic
inflammatory issue called a rachnoid itis inside the spinal canal.
So that's when I became an intractable pain patient in
two thousand and nine, dependent on daily opioids just to
be able to get out of bed and eat and
carry on.
Speaker 1 (07:30):
Right, And so I go ahead, I was going to.
Speaker 2 (07:37):
Say, we'll get to the end of this entire picture.
I was appropriately treated, had great pain care. I lived
in California at that time. I lived in California for
twenty five years. That's where I had the lumbar surgery,
had appropriate pain treatment. Then suddenly we had to move.
We lost our lease in twenty twenty two. The owner
wanted to sell the condo where we lived, so we
had to move. Suddenly, couldn't find housing with them my budget,
(08:00):
So I decided to return to North Texas. My eighty
three year old mother loops with me. I'm her caretaker.
If you can imagine a disabled person trying to be
a caretaker. So we moved to North Texas and I
was denied my pain medications there. They would not prescribe
my pain medications and wanted me to take a medication
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that's intended for people that have substance use disorder. Well,
I don't have substance use disorder. I have daily intractable pain.
So we ended up moving to Arizona because in twenty
twenty two, Arizona passed an intractable pain law where persons
with intractable pain or cancer are exempt supposedly exempt from
(08:42):
dose caps. So I was able to get my short
term opioid reinstated in twenty twenty two, but I'm still
without my long acting daily opioid, so I'm receiving approximately
half the dose on which I had been stable for
the eight years prior to being dumped off my pain
medications in Texas. And of course now I have high
(09:05):
blood pressure and daily struggles with pain, and my functionality decreased.
I was enabled to continue working my part time's job.
It's a bad situation.
Speaker 1 (09:19):
And as another doctor described on an earlier show, when
you're put in a situation like that where you are
responsively using a medication in order to live as normal
of a life as you possibly can, and then you're
suddenly taking off of it and dealing with intense pain.
(09:40):
You can understand how this leads to a desperation by
certain pain patients. Worst case scenario obviously being suicide. But
next next level is them trying to source pain medication
just to function. They try and so or's that off
(10:00):
the streets, which is what the federal government is supposed
to be trying to get a handle on. So they're
actually causing in epidemic an issue by applying regulation to
the wrong area. Right, Did I get that right?
Speaker 2 (10:20):
You got it right. You know, when a person loses
access or is force tapered too rapidly, or suddenly dumped
off their pain medications. There are known medical risks to that,
including high blood pressure that is not responsive to blood
(10:40):
pressure medications, risk of heart attack and stroke increase, and
of course, as you said, the risk of suicide skyrockets.
So we're having an epidemic of deaths because of the
restrictions of access to opioids. And as you say, there
are patients, not very many, but if you who try
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to source their pain medications from the streets, and then
they end up not making it.
Speaker 1 (11:13):
So let's talk about how hard it is to get
this message out, because if you or or a loved
one haven't experienced chronic pain, it would be hard to
understand what it's like living with that and having something
that helps you lead a normal life just to feel normal,
(11:33):
as opposed to to, you know, the desperation of just
constant chronic suffering. So those that don't haven't experienced that
personally or don't have a loved one, they have probably
a hard time wrapping their mind around this because from
since you know, grade school, they were told how bad
drugs are on too. Now we know that there's been
(11:57):
movies done exposing Big farm Agreed and how they've intentionally
gotten folks onto medication that they can be susceptible to
addiction from. And certainly Big Farma didn't make any friends
with what they sought we saw them do with the
rushed vaccines and people being injured or dying from these
(12:17):
experimental jabs. So it's created a really tough environment to
have an open conversation about with all those factors considered.
So what is your response to particularly the danger of
(12:39):
this addiction and the greed of the big pharmas to
to get other folks addicted after like say, a minor injury,
like like a sports injury or something, and then people
get addicted, and then you know, and so on the
domino effect there. What is your response as far as
that goes?
Speaker 2 (13:02):
Okay, that's a big topic, and you're correct, we're dealing
with a lot of propaganda. The official narrative has been
very coordinated, and all of the mainstream media and all
of the Hollywood movies and everything you see on TV
continue to talk about that narrative, like you describe the
(13:28):
person in high school that had a sports injury and
got addicted to opioids. Well, the facts are again, like
I said, the vast majority ninety nine point ninety ninety
ninety ninety percent of people can be prescribed and opioid
(13:49):
for a trauma or surgery, take it, recover and move
on with their life. And we had the case that
when it first got introduced into the public narrative that
the pharmaceutical companies were responsible was in the late nineties,
and Purdue Pharma and the Sacklers were sued because of
(14:13):
they allegedly misrepresented the long acting opioid drug called OxyContin
as being non addictive, and there's a controversy about whether
or not that allegation is actually true. And there is
(14:33):
a controversy about whether pharmaceutical companies flooded the streets with
opioid medications because a lot of diversion was still happening
in those days, and there are a lot of people
taking that long term acting opioid, long acting opioidlit on
(14:54):
an illicit basis, a non medical basis, and combination with
other drugs. So we have that narrative continually perpetrated in
the media, and the CDC originally published their CDC Guidelines
in twenty sixteen based on that narrative that prescription opioid
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medications work the cause of the parabolic rise in deaths
that began in about twenty fifteen, And none of that
is true because there had been what's called a pill mill,
where there were unscrupulous doctors who would just give a
prescription to anyone who came in the door, but those
(15:38):
were shut down many years ago. So that entire narrative
about you can take one pill and become addicted is
just not true. In the first place, and yet that's
the propaganda that we're told day after day after day. Right,
(15:59):
it's not a good situation.
Speaker 1 (16:02):
Yeah, I mean, and I think that something that most
people now can get their minds wrapped around is this
notion that the government has been honest about this, because
what you're passionate about is getting out to the public
that everything that we've been told about opioids is a lie.
And that's easier for many people to wrap their minds
around because we've been lied to about so many other
(16:26):
things up until this point, and particularly we had our
eyes open in the past four years with this pandemic
we'll call it now, the CDC. You know, they, as
you said, put out the narrative that the prescription opioid medications,
the prescription opioid medications, were the cause of the opioid crisis,
(16:49):
and you know you shared some of that information. You're
trying to get to set the records straight. And if
it's not the prescription opioid medications, what are you attributing
to the cause of an opioid crisis or in your mind,
is there even an opioid crisis?
Speaker 2 (17:10):
Well? Yes, what the government is ignoring you know they
want to blame everything on the medication, and these medications
have legitimate medical uses for reasons other than like what
I have chronic daily intractable pain that's insufferable. I have
(17:32):
a report from a cancer patient who survived her colon
cancer and an unintended side effect of her chemotherapy is
that she has uncontrollable vomiting. And of course she has
problems absorbing the medications and is also a fast metabolizer,
(17:55):
what we call a fast metabolizer. She has a genetic
issue the way her liver expels opioids from her body
at a very fast rate. So in order to control
her condition, she add a very high dose of opioid medications,
which of course she can no longer get because the
(18:15):
government won't let that happen. So can you imagine having
uncontrolled vomiting on a daily basis that the only thing
that can control that is how those opioids that you
can no longer get. So there are legitimate medical reasons
for these prescriptions. However, the government is ignoring the socioeconomic
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and psychosocial factors. Let's say, of addiction. People don't become
addicted to a substance when exposed to the substance. There's
a whole lot of other factors, such as their personality traits.
Some say there's a genetic composition for addiction, the economic
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you know, socioeconomic factors where people live in despair with
no hope, they have maybe no education, no opportunity, and
all of those factors contribute to becoming addicted and seeking
out medications or drugs to use on a non medical
(19:21):
basis from the streets. So the government's ignoring all this
and wants to blame it on the medication. So there's
a problem there, but they knew. I have a document
from two thousand and seven from the Weekly Morbidity and
Mortality Report published by the CDC, and they were seeing
(19:42):
the illicit fentanyl compounds we call them analog compounds, that
what people are getting on the street is not pharmacological
grade fentanyl that is used in medical settings. Right, So
that began showing up in two thousand and five six seven.
(20:04):
The document I have, I believe is published in two
thousand and seven where they began to see and increase
in deaths from this illicit fentanyl on the street and
that population of people using those drugs on a non
medical basis, are not the patients like myself and other
people who have been prescribed opioids on a long term
(20:27):
basis for a medical reason. That's a completely different cohort
of persons. You understand what I'm saying. So the government
has thrown us all together in this mix when in reality,
this is two completely different cohorts of people.
Speaker 1 (20:48):
Yeah, and as you said, even two different things that
they're taking. You know, there's the medical rate and then
what you're saying is what people find in the streets,
which isn't comparable. So you had mentioned that there was
a study that they were attributing, you know, overdose deaths
(21:09):
in twenty ten to they were attributing the cause to
prescription opioid medications. But you say it was not that.
Speaker 2 (21:23):
That's right. I don't have it pulled up right here.
But one of the exhibits in my lawsuit, I filed
a federal Torque Claims Act lawsuit for injury cause to
me when I was dumped off my pain medication because
of these regulations. And one of the exhibits there is
a recent study where the data analysts took the CDC
(21:48):
data of mortality and all that and all the way
back to the late nineties and categorized that and learned
that prescriptions, you know, a person being prescribed their medication
and taking that as prescribed, had nothing to do with
(22:10):
the parabolic rise and the increase of depths. It's always
been the illicit drugs taken on a non medical basis,
and usually polypharmacy, right, so they might be taking more
than one substance and or adding alcohol into that mix.
And don't get me wrong, there are patients who are
prescribed to prescription who do die. Whether or not the
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prescription is the cause of the death is a whole
nother ball of wax, because when coroners find that in
their system upon a death right, they automatically attributed to
that medication, when in fact it may have been another cause.
So this study looked at the government's own data and
(22:58):
then found that no, in fact, prescriptions are not the problem.
And yet this is the narrative continually pumped out, and
the regulations that are now in place are based upon
that false narrative that prescriptions were the problem.
Speaker 1 (23:16):
Now, as far as looking for motivations for why this
has become a problem and chronic pain people are suffering
I mean usually you look to like, okay, what motivations
are there in terms of greed, you know, and it
would make it hard to answer that question because it
seems that you would want more people to be taking medication,
(23:38):
not less. So do you see the motivation here for
why it's become like this is because they just needed
a scapegoat as far as an easy scapegoat and easy
target to appear as if they're doing something about drug overduces,
and it's easier to play it on this than to
(24:02):
address the real problems.
Speaker 2 (24:06):
Well, there's I want to talk about two parts to
the question about greed or some sort of motivation problem,
and the first is that we have a huge can
of worms back in the timeframe before the twenty sixteen
CDC guidelines were formulated and published, because that agency was
(24:32):
captured by a group of physicians who are addiction psychiatrists
who do not treat pain, and in fact, one or
more employees at the CDC joined in with that group
of physicians called the Physicians for Responsible Opioid Prescribing, and
(24:55):
they have taken a very anti opioid stance. They don't
want anybody take opioids for any reason. So we have
the issue of CDC employees possibly having inappropriate, unethical relationships
with that group that captured the CDC, that influenced the
(25:21):
formulation of the prescribing guidelines. And then we have the
pharmaceutical possible motive there because about that same time a
new drug was created for the treatment of substance use
(25:42):
disorder called suboxone. You may have heard of that, or buperenrphine,
which is suboxone is a combination of drugs, but bupernorphine
is just singular drug, and those are not intended for
the treatment of pain. We have the pharmaceutical companies stating
in a deposition that those are not indicated for the
(26:04):
treatment of pain. And yet now that's what they want
to do is dump everybody off their full agonist opioids,
which are very cheap and effective, and put everybody on
these very expensive, ineffective bupenorphin and seboxone. Right, So there's
a possible financial motive there too. And of course the
(26:27):
addiction psychiatrists get to run their clinics and diagnose everybody
with substance use disorder when they really don't have substance
use disorder and treat these people, right, So there's a
possible financial motive. So there were two parts. The second
part of this monster is that the regulations that are
(26:47):
in place now, the DEA is setting dose caps, like
they don't want anybody taking more than a certain amount
of medications. So because of the public Health Emergency declarations
in the opioid crisis, the government gets to completely skirt
whatever law they want to. So they have taken Medicare
(27:10):
beneficiary data and examined the confidential patient information right, and
they're data mining to find out who's taking medications in
excess what they believe to be excessive, and they're going
after doctors who are prescribing these medications. So rather than
(27:33):
have the medical board send the doctor a letter or
try to resolve it peacefully, the DEA will raid the
doctor's office with the swat team and guns and the
whole bit, close the office, seize the assets of the doctor, house, car, money, home,
(27:53):
whatever it is, prosecute them, which we just recently saw
in Philadelphia a week ago, doctor Naunt got convicted of
just unbelievably ridiculous charges by the DEA. So there is
the motivation of the policing for profit, you know, asset
(28:14):
forfeiture that's happening at the DEA. So there are conflicts
of interest going on here.
Speaker 1 (28:21):
Something has got to be done about civil asset forfeiture
because I have done a number of interviews who have
suffered at the hands of the government, and it's just
so clear. It's just it's acidine that before people are
even guilty, before they've even had a day in court,
they can lose their entire property. I mean, the government
could just steal it from them on the front end
(28:42):
and then rationalize stealing it from them on the back end.
It's disgusting. And so you've done an excellent job at
food for thought as far as the motivations for why
this is happening, as we've certainly also saw examples of
them putting down drugs that they can't make as much
money on ibermagazine, hydrox corquin and and raising the that
(29:09):
I'll look for other h I think it's called pe packs,
Lovid or something.
Speaker 2 (29:15):
Reviseevere was the COVID, Yeah.
Speaker 1 (29:17):
And highlighting those things that are actually dangerous because they
can charge more. And and so this is another thing
that we can look to as far as being able
to understand this. Uh, that we have evidence for another situations.
So you have been doing what you can as far
as litigation. What what are you able to tell me
(29:38):
as far as how that's moving along?
Speaker 2 (29:42):
Well, I did file federal torque claims. That claim over
the bodily injury calls to me.
Speaker 3 (29:50):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (29:50):
Usually government employees are immune from being sued when they
are working in their normal capacity inter laws and regulations
and such. But there are exceptions to that immunity, and
I found that all three agencies that I charged, DEADJ
(30:11):
and CDC sue the directors of those agencies their harms,
the harms they caused me did fall within those exemptions.
So I also added constitutional questions to that lawsuit on
the basis of Fifth Amendment violations because the government has
(30:33):
in essence taken away proper appropriate opioid medications for the
patients for whom those are indicated, And there are other
classes of controlled substances now that the DEA says you
can't have anymore, so that they're coming after anxiety patients,
ADHD patients, fatigued patients. They don't want any of those
(30:55):
controlled substances prescribed. So the constitution utional question is, since
they've taken away those medications, which now puts the patients
in a position of being harmed and to the point
of even dying now from the known medical risks and
from suicide. That's a fitth Amendment violation because we're being
(31:19):
deprived liberty and actually life without due process right. So
that lawsuit is pending at the district court. Since I'm
a pro say litigant, the judge has to make sure
my complaint has no deficiencies. He has to approve that
I proceed without paying a filing fee because I'm just
a poor guy on disability benefits, and allow me to
(31:42):
proceed as a pro say litigant. Okay, So that is
pending at the judge's desk. Just recently last week, filed
a notice with Department of Health and Human Services under
the Administrative Procedures Act A Section five. Thee notice because
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any person can request a review of the regulation or
rule when there are problems that need to be addressed.
So when Robert F. Kennedy, Junior renewed the Public Health
Emergency Declaration in the Opioid Crisis, which has to be
renewed periodically, I don't remember if it's every ninety days,
(32:23):
I can't remember off the top of my head. I
immediately thought, okay, here's another way. We can send an
official notice to them, list all of the problems that
we've talked about today and many more, and say, look,
we want you to take a look at this. Patients
are being harmed and killed. We've notified you about this
(32:45):
for years. We want to take a look, and if
we don't get resolution from them, I'll file another district
court case so that a judge so that we can
get judicial review. So that's kind of where I'm at
with those two projects.
Speaker 1 (33:00):
So with this new administration and the make America Healthy
Again efforts, are you feeling more confident or more scared
about being able to make headway? From my perspective, Trump
has been very favorable to things that involve deregulation, and
(33:23):
that seems to be something that needs to happen in
this situation. It's overly regulated so that people that actually
needed are finding it difficult to get what they need.
So deregulation would would be a hopeful sentiment. Again, this
is just from my own personal outside perspective. But on
the other end, what I would fear is because they
(33:45):
make America healthy again, effort is more favorable to natural solutions,
integrative health as opposed to prescription medications and big pharma,
et cetera. That would be something that would cause some
pause for people in that movement to take a serious
(34:06):
look at this. So where are you standing at this
with that in terms of how you're approaching this to administration?
Speaker 2 (34:16):
Well, there are two things I would say. Again, what's
happened is that the government has taken this stance that
the opioids are a problem, nobody should be taking them,
when in fact that's not true. There are a whole
you know, millions, there's a whole category of patients for
(34:37):
whom those are appropriate and they should be allowed to
take those. I'm not opposed to natural medications and natural
ways of doing things. That's great, but right now today
we don't have an alternative for these patients with these
severe problems that need these different classes of controlled substances.
(34:58):
So we need The problem is the gears of government
grind really slow now, right. So this has happened over
the period of a decade, and here we are with
the rules and regulations that are in place, and we
just need somebody to listen to us and look at
the actual evidence, which is what I've been trying to
do is get it in front of them so that
(35:20):
they can look and see how many, you know, we
estimate over one hundred thousand people have died since these
regulations were put in place. I'll read you something from
the Veteran Suicide Report here in a minute about that,
but anyway, I'll stay on topic for the moment, which is, yes,
I believe that with the push for deregulation and stuff
(35:43):
like that, we will have a favorable outcome if we
can get someone to listen to us and look at
the evidence. I forgot what the second part of what
I wanted to look at, but I'll go right here
to the Veteran Suicide Report, which was published last and
it's about veterans suicide between twenty twenty and twenty twenty two,
(36:06):
and it says right here, among recent veteran Veteran Health
Administration users whose suicide deaths occurred in twenty twenty through
twenty twenty two and which were reported to the Veterans
Health Administration Suicide Prevention Teams, Veterans Administration Behavioral Health Autopsy
(36:28):
PROGRAMMED data indicated that the most frequently identified risk factors
were pain at fifty three point eight percent, sleep problems
fifty one point four percent, increased health problems forty two
point five percent, recent declines in physical ability thirty four
(36:53):
point three percent, relationship problems thirty three point one percent,
hopelessness thirty point four percent, impulsivity, and unsecured firearms in
the home. So the Veterans Administration is admitting that veterans
are committing suicide because of issues they're having because of
(37:15):
untreated and undertreated pain, but they will not go so
far as to say the reason there's untreated and undertreated
pain is because of the government regulations restricting access to
proper appropriate medications of controlled substances. So, you know, this
is why I'm pursuing litigation. I need a judge to
look at this stuff because the agencies.
Speaker 3 (37:36):
Are yeah, And I think that at the core of
the Maha movement and those that signed on to the
ideals and the values of a turn administration would be
freedom and allowing people to have the freedom to access the.
Speaker 1 (37:59):
Health care attention that they want. So if people want
to explore further natural remedies, then they have the freedom
to do that. And if they have found something that's
working for them that he doesn't fall in that category.
They have the freedom to do that. I mean, we
saw that again when it came to the pandemic. We
had federal agencies butting into the doctor and patient relationship
(38:23):
and not allowing people to make their own decisions. So
even at the core of the MAHA movement, if people
want to get an mRNA vaccine, okay, fine try it out.
You know, there's many of us that would not want
to do that. But I think at again, at the core,
I think we're all on the same page that we
want to allow people to have the freedom to seek
(38:43):
the healthcare that they need and want responsibly.
Speaker 2 (38:50):
Well, let's go down that road. Because in the Medicare
Act forty two USC, thirteen ninety five O six, and
thirteen ninety five, federal employee an agency interference with the
practice of medicine is completely prohibited. So it's the Public
Health Emergency Declaration that is allowing government agencies to skirt
all of these laws. They scrape our private patient data
(39:13):
that's supposed to be regulated by the Hippaact and protected there.
The CDC is injecting curriculum now into the medical schools
with their anti opioid propaganda. So all of this is illegal,
and yet the Public Health Emergency Declaration allows the agencies
to skirt all of these different laws. So that's why
I want Robert Kennedy Junior and Department of Health and
(39:36):
Human Services to take a look at what I've sent
them and review the Public Health Emergency Declaration so that
we do not have it declared again as it stands.
If they want to declare an emergency about the fentanyl
analog compounds coming over the border, great, but it's time
we restored the doctor patient relationship, restored freedom of patients
(39:57):
and doctors to choose what's best for the patient and
pro and get the government out of the doctor's office.
Speaker 1 (40:02):
Completely agreed, Yes, and so my time is ripping up
with you. So we were able to cover quite a bit.
But you can think on other things that maybe we
didn't touch upon and get back to me on what
you might want to do in a future episode. But
in the meantime, what is just quickly something that we
(40:23):
can all do to help in this effort.
Speaker 2 (40:28):
Well, you can please follow me on X. I think
my ex handle is placed up there on the little
banner David E. Smithy, I'm also considering opening a substack
account because I want to take a deep dive and
write some articles and do more real deep diving. Like
you say, we've covered a lot, but the subject matter
is practically limitless, so we're going to start taking deep
(40:51):
dives and put them on a substack account. Also, I'm
going to be on a panel on the doc Talks podcast.
Doctor Forrest Tennant has a podcast every Thursday, so I'll
be placing that on the subsect account and on it.
So please follow me for details and I'll post updates
about the legal situation as it goes.
Speaker 1 (41:10):
Excellent, awesome, Well, thank you so much, David, and I
pray that you will get some peace and comfort and
that your you know, your pain will be bearable while
you try and work work these things out and hopefully
find others to amplify your voice. So thank you so much, David,
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(45:53):
just I'm trying to stay positive and you know, keeping
people alert and prepared and letting people know you know
that cammunication, set up your networks, you know, just because
we're entering what appears to be better times, you know
that we're all praying for which is which is great.
You know, we still don't want to let our guard down.
So yeah, I've been busy. How about you? How you doing?
Speaker 1 (46:14):
Yeah, yeah, there's still no I was I will be honest.
There was a little bit of a concern when we
got into the term of administration that there would be
less to talk about because there, you know, wasn't the
constant things to report on with the Biden administration that
you know, the news the legacy media was covering up for.
But wow, I mean Trump is working at hyper speed.
(46:36):
I don't know how he does it. I was just
thinking about that today, like, oh my gosh, I see
a schedule. I just I just it's unbelievable, like how
much he's doing and how fast he's doing things, and
and so, yes, there's certainly been no shortage of things
to communicate about. But speaking of communication, I do really
think and am passionate about communication being people's first line
of defense in any kind of an emergency, because it's
(46:59):
really the communication that you need first to coordinate resources.
And so I just love working with a satellite phone
store SAT one two three dot com that has a
lot of preparedness items, but particularly these satellite phones and
satellite texting devices so that you can never get caught
off from communication and being able to coordinate and to
(47:22):
contact your loved ones. I just think it's so so
important and such a small price to pay for that
comfort and piece in knowing that you have that option
should mergencies come, Like you said, uh wow, uh, I've
never seen so many, and I'm gonna I've been doing
this news anchor thing for two decades I've never seen
(47:42):
so many emergencies, particularly with fires, fire after fire, and
and you know, if you were in a blue city,
I would caution people that live in a blue city
be prepared. It's always around you, because it seems like
a lot of these uh fires are happening and blue
areas coincidentally or maybe perhaps not coincidentally. So I particularly,
(48:05):
you know, feel pretty safe living in Texas, but I
live in the Lost Pines area, which has already been
hit with wildfires at another time. So definitely something to
be concerned about and continue to be concerned about. How
can people end up using these satellite devices and certain
circumstances like if they experience a wildfire situation.
Speaker 5 (48:27):
Yeah, yeah, and it's good to have it on the
forefront of your mind. You know, we don't want to
live in panic or fear, but preparedness of course. So yeah,
you know, I mean, if you consider any catastrophe, the
first thing to go would be cell tower or you know,
even if it doesn't get hit directly by the catastrophe,
you know, they jam up with about a thousand phone
calls around the same time, so you know, you figure
(48:49):
everyone's trying to call their daughters brothers, sisters, mothers who
don't live at home, because you know, we live in
this very uh spread out you know world right now
where everyone's in some different places. So everyone's trying to
get a hold of either emergency services or trying to
get a hold of their loved ones at the same time.
And then you know, the tower gets jammed up, it
shuts down, and now it needs a hard restart from
(49:09):
an actual tech to come out. And you know, if
you're in the middle of a catastrophe, it may be
quite some time so that actually takes place. So you know,
you always want to have a backup, right Like you know,
if you have a small kitchen fire, you have a
fire extinguisher or a fire blanket you know, close by.
I mean, that's just you do those things. And I
don't mean just to be hammering on fire. It's just
we've been seeing them, you know, to your point. And
(49:30):
you know, I live in the center of the country
and it's really dry already, and it's a little early
in the season to be as dry as it is,
so you know, it's just something on all of our minds,
you know. So yeah, you just you want to be prepared.
You want to like I said, you know a small
kitchen fire, you have a fire extinguisher, you have you
have a backup, you have a plan. You want to
put a plan in place. You want to be able
to get a hold of your loved ones if you
can't use your phone, you know, so you want to
(49:52):
use a backup device. So if the cell networks down,
you want to jump on the satellite network because that's
always there. As long as you can see the sky,
you can commute k with the ones you love. So
we just again, you know, we just want to put
We have great products and great devices, and we love
helping people get prepared and put plans together. But you know,
first and foremost, we want people to assess their situation
(50:13):
and their loved ones and their needs, right the things
that you do on a daily basis, whether it's communicate
or drink fresh water or you know, heat up water
to make your coffee or something, and then just kind
of consider like, hey, you know, I have a spare
tire in my car. Maybe I should have a backup
plan if I can't boil my water or if I
can't you know, call my daughter because she's a college
(50:34):
and selling the towers down, or she's experienced some sort
of a disaster or I am you know, vice versa.
So you know, again without the fear proponent, because you know,
we always want to live in love and grace, but
at the same time, preparedness is part of that, you know.
So we just we're here, you know, we love to
answer questions. We'd love to talk to people. We also
have the chat feature, but just give.
Speaker 2 (50:54):
Us a call.
Speaker 5 (50:55):
Yeah, tell them Christy sent you and we've been a
big fan of yours for your career and we're honored
to work with you and your great team. So yeah,
just I just advise everyone to talk with your families
and set up a plan and then figure out how
you're going to connect with them when, if God forbids
anything ever goes awry.
Speaker 1 (51:14):
So yeah, and I love that you say that. You know,
we don't want to act out of fear, but we
should be a good steward of the things that God
has already given us. And he, you know, he wants
us to act out of being responsible. And you don't
know if you could be the lifeline for a neighbor
that is unprepared, you know, So just be thinking about
(51:35):
those things you can go to SAT one two three
dot com, Sat one too three dot com and there's
so many different preparedness items there. Don't delay with this,
like make this something that you do right now and
get it off off of your to do list, But
do it now because the thing is is an emergency
is by definition something you don't see coming. So you
just want to be prepared before the emergency comes, so
(51:55):
you can see what else speaks piques your interest there.
The baby stick is a very affordable option as far
as like a monthly payment, and that's how this works,
Like just by mentioning this show, mentioning me, you can
get yourself a free vivystick or one of the models
of the free SAT phones and then you're just paying
a monthly fee much like you wit a cell phone bill.
(52:18):
But this is a very affordable option for peace of mind,
backup communication device. And so again you just mentioned me
or the show. And if you don't want to make
the call, like if you're like me and hate the phone,
there is that chat feature there on the website setwetothrough
dot com and you can just chat with somebody there
get some more information. But don't delay on this, and
(52:38):
it helps you be prepared. It also helps support this show.
And I know that Satellite Phone Store partners with so
many others that are trying to get the truth out there.
So but as always, I really appreciate you and your insights.
And it does seem like we always have an emergency
to talk to or talk about when we talk. You know,
we talk about twice a month, and it's like never fails,
(53:01):
like some there's just an emergency that's happened, which is
kind of crazy.
Speaker 5 (53:05):
Yeah, it's weird. Yeah, it's just telling you the times.
But thank you so much, Christy, and God bless you
and talk soon.
Speaker 1 (53:13):
Yes, thank you so much. Good to see you. All right,
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and it says in him we have redemption through his blood.
The forgiveness of sins in accordance with the riches of
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God's grace and perfect verse following Easter Sunday, as we
were thinking and reflecting on God's great sacrifice and the
friaginness that we have in Him. If you want to
dig more into God's Word with me and prayer and worship,
then join me on locals CHRISTILEETV dot locals dot com
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