Money, Medicine, and Misjustice: Tax-Free Secrets and the Feds' War on Docs! | Mark J Quann & Muhamad Aly Riffai - Get Free with Kristi Leigh

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plans might mess with their businesses.

Speaker 1 (02:11):
He paused in teriffs for ninety days, but turned up
the pressure on China.

Speaker 2 (02:14):
Walmart's feeling good since most of their stuff, they say
is US made.

Speaker 1 (02:18):
Target's staying tight lived, but say price.

Speaker 2 (02:20):
Jumps depend on the item, and Home Depot says it's
not too worried because over half of their products come
from North America. They all left saying the chat was
productive and they're all about keeping those prices fair for shoppers.

Speaker 1 (02:33):
Of course, little commercial there for them.

Speaker 2 (02:35):
Meanwhile, the CCP is threatening countries that are working on
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under Scott Besson's plan, is pushing to sign trade deals
with over seventy countries to box out China. Beijing's firing back,
warning they're going to hit hard if anyone makes moves
that hurt their interests. China's Commerce Ministries says they're all
for fair negotiations and up holling global trade rules, but
they're ready to defend their ground. To get more insight

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on the economy, we're going to welcome in a financial
ex britain and author Mark J.

Speaker 1 (03:01):
Kwan.

Speaker 2 (03:01):
He's the author of Be Smart, Pays Zero Taxes, use
the by borrow die strategy to get rich and stay rich.
He also leads The Perfect Portfolio and a financial education
company which helps ordinary Americans build wealth using the buy
borrow die strategy.

Speaker 1 (03:15):
So we're going to discuss that more in detail in
just a moment.

Speaker 2 (03:18):
But Mark, what is your sentiment in regard to all
of these big economy plays that trump administration is making.

Speaker 4 (03:26):
I love everything about it. I grew up very mid
a blue collar. I worked in factories, I laid bricks,
I've done roofing, I've done all those jobs, like mid
a blue collar jobs.

Speaker 5 (03:36):
I grew up with no money.

Speaker 4 (03:38):
So I love to see no tax on tips, no
tax on overtime, and no tax on Social Security. That
will be absolutely amazing. Social Security was never supposed to
be taxed in the first place. There was the government
that decided to tax it. So we're just reversing things
that never should have happened in the first place.

Speaker 1 (03:59):
Yeah, and there go ahead.

Speaker 4 (04:02):
Oh yeah, I just, I just I love what he's doing.
A tariff is a financial tool. It's not a political tool.
It's a financial tool, right It just if we're buying
If China's shipping their cars to Mexico and then building
them in Mexico and then we're buying them in the
United States, there's no incentive rest to buy anything else.
So the tariff is a very powerful tool. It's a

(04:22):
negotiating tool. It's the art of the deal. You know,
it's just tariff certain things and don't tear if others.
Obviously there's no choice, but we have to bring manufacturing
back to the United States. So you can't reverse forty
years of damage of sending manufacturing to China and other countries.
You can't reverse that overnight. But Trump's doing an incredible job.
I personally love what he's doing. And you know, I'm

(04:46):
from Canada, and I want to see Canada put Canada first,
and I want to see America put America first. It's
a It's a very powerful thing, and I think all
Americans are going to benefit from it eventually.

Speaker 1 (04:57):
Yeah, you know Trump has warrened.

Speaker 2 (04:59):
You know that we may feel a little bit of
pain as these things are implemented, because as you say,
you know, things have been going a certain way for
far too long, really, and so he's trying to fix
that and change those things. That we may feel a
bit of pain. Do you think that we've seen the
worst with a lot of these big roller coaster moves
in the market, or do you think that we do

(05:19):
need to be prepared to see some more pain with
the prices of goods as these adjustments are made.

Speaker 4 (05:27):
I think it depends on everything, depends on your financial IQ,
to be honest with you, right, So I was a
financial advisor for fifteen years I was. I used to
train hundreds of financial advisors. I was the financial advisor
for CPAs and I've written four books. The financial system
that's taught to Americans doesn't work. It's very broken. A

(05:48):
four to one case tax deferral. All those things we're
taught to do. The rich are doing the opposite. They're
doing this thing called by Boro Die. It's the best
way to build wealth. It's the fastest way to build wealth. Anybody,
if any can use it, so we should. People should
be excited about a stock market crash. It's the time
to buy things cheap you build. You actually build more

(06:10):
wealth after a crash. If you just keep buying, buy
Boro Dye says, keep buying forever, never stop buying. If
you ever want need cash, just press the Boro button,
take a loan secured by your assets, and spend that money.
I don't stock market crashes are very exciting for me.
I was investing during the craft of coronavirus. I made

(06:31):
a fortune, and I'll make a lot of money these days.
And I've got hundreds of students. I taught how to
do this, and we showed Middle America how to do it,
starting with one hundred dollars in a brokerage account. So
take the system you learned about finances, scrap it all
and start starting you with this one. This is the
one that billionaires use and anyone can do it.

Speaker 2 (06:50):
Wow, that's really encouraging. But part of that is, you know,
you talk about this concept of borrowing. You know, people
are under the weight of Amman's credit card debt more
than ever because of the last administration and the high
rates of inflation.

Speaker 1 (07:06):
What if folks are in a lot.

Speaker 2 (07:08):
Of credit card debt, they're not necessarily necessarily sure where
they can get the capital to start making plays in
the stock market and elsewhere.

Speaker 4 (07:19):
You just have to prioritize investing first. I mean depends
on everyone's got an individual debt situation. If there was
massive credit card debt, you can get that negotiated.

Speaker 5 (07:28):
You're going to hurt your credit score.

Speaker 4 (07:30):
But you've got to get into the habit of investing
and then borrowing secured by your investments because technically that's
new money that you didn't have to work or pay
taxes on. So yeah, it depends on the situation. I
tend to work with people that are at least they're
doing okay financially, But again, I've got people at a
credit card debt. They've had a big brokerage account they've
been saving at. It's that Fidelity or something like that.

(07:53):
We just transfer it tax free. We press the borrow
button and we borrow and we pay off their credit
card debt. We could use alone from your four O
one K to get credit credit card debt. We don't
like debt. That's credit card debts.

Speaker 5 (08:05):
We don't.

Speaker 4 (08:05):
We want to get rid of that stuff. Immediately reset
the system. But then a four to one K and
retirement accounts, you're actually setting you up to fail. A
retirement accounts such as four oh one k Ira, sep Ira,
four fifty seven plan, whatever you want to call it,
you can't borrow from it. You're actually penalized. The more
you grow it, the bigger the government takes on the

(08:27):
back end. It can trigger taxes on your Social security.
Just that the whole system and people are using, which
I was a part of for twenty years. It doesn't work.
You're actually setting up to fail because you can't borrow
from retirement accounts. When they crash. If you liquidate, there's
penalties plus taxes by borrow diet is an active way
of exiting the tax system. If we paid less than taxes,

(08:50):
we'd have more money to build our own our own
financial future, and actually retire early. People don't need to
work until they're sixty five or seventy. It's actually, I
know it's I know that sounds too good to be true,
but I've been teaching this for four years. I've taught
five hundred people, but my company will have taught ten
thousand by the end of the year. Within a couple

(09:10):
of years, we'll teach a few hundred thousand ordinary Americans,
and people can actually not only get financially independent, they
can pay zero taxes. It's not it's not a it's
not a tagline in the book.

Speaker 5 (09:20):
It goes.

Speaker 4 (09:20):
It's forty nine chapters long. It's simple, it's easy to understand.
All my books are and anyone can use it. If
you just read the book and learn the strategies, you
can literally retire early and never pay taxes again, income
taxes anyways. And you can live in any state too.

Speaker 5 (09:35):
It's all. They're all federal tax codes.

Speaker 2 (09:38):
Yeah, and that's that's very fresh in people's minds since
we're just about a week away from tax Day. We
just experienced the headache of that, and you know, we'd
love to make that more enjoyable experience, especially if you
can find a way to pay zero taxes. How how
did you get into this as your specialty to I

(10:00):
don't want to see evade taxes because that sounds criminal,
but find a.

Speaker 1 (10:04):
Way a tax strategy to avoid it.

Speaker 5 (10:08):
I'll give you an exist example. I was.

Speaker 4 (10:10):
I came the United States with no green card twenty
four years twenty four years ago, almost twenty five years ago.
I was a high school and college dropout. I was
working construction jobs. I did go to school for finances
in Canada, because you can actually do that even with
a high school poem. I dropped out of college because
I thought college was a little bit of a scam.
Be honest with you, student loans and credit card debts,

(10:33):
and they're telling you to go get a job and
pay your taxes and fund a retirement account. I just
didn't believe in that, so I actually left college, came
to the United States. I started reading books rich Dad
board at all those standard books everybody reads, and then
I got recruited in the financial industry. Fifteen years later,
I woke up and realized the entire industry was rigged.
It was actually rigged. The financial industry is built to

(10:56):
benefit big government and Wall Street. It's not set up
to help. The strategy that anyone should use is just
by borrowde it's it's it's a tax strategy. It's been
used for decades by all the billionaires, and then we
just proved over the past four years that anyone can
do it. I invest in five different assets stocks and ETFs,

(11:16):
life insurance, real estate, cryptocurrency, and gold and precious metals.
But I never invest in an asset unless I can
take a loan secured by this asset to fund the
other asset. If I'm just funding assets, I'm borrowing from
one app those assets to fund another asset. I'm completely
circumventing the US tax system. If I don't sell, I
don't pay the taxes. The loans are are tax free.

(11:39):
That's a weird thing on the phone, I guess, but yeah,
the loans are. The loans are tax free. Now I'm
funding assets with money that's never been taxed, that never
will be taxed because I'm never going to sell it,
and then when I die, I can pass twenty six
million dollars to my family with no taxes, and then
you teach your kids the by borrow die strategy. So

(11:59):
I'm I'm playing. I'm almost living in a different universe
as far as money. Everyone else is funding retirement accounts.
They can't borrow from them. They're literally building their own
What do you sell.

Speaker 5 (12:14):
Prison?

Speaker 4 (12:15):
Because retirement accounts, I think they're the biggest scam ever
created in the history of investing. Is retirement accounts that
defer your income and you can't borrow from it. And
the bigger you grow it, the bigger your tax bill
is do Uncle Sam, and then you get to pass
your tax problems to your kids. The rich are literally
exisiting the tax system with the Bible or Old Eye system.
Anybody can do it. So that's the cool part.

Speaker 2 (12:37):
Well, there is this thing called the wroth ira to
where you pay taxes and then fund it and then
when you take it's my understanding when you take the
payments out, it is zero tax at that time, with
the thought that you've already paid your taxes on it
the wroth iray, so you still consider that a prison.

Speaker 4 (12:58):
No roth iras are the exception, but you can't borrow
from them. You can't do buy, borrow die with a
roth ira because you can't borrow secured by a roth ira.
If you're going to fund a roth ira, you could
fund a brokerage account, take a loan from the brokerage account,
fund your wroth. Now you're funding your tax free wroth
with money that's never been taxed. We actually cover those
strategies in the book. But again, real estate. Real estate

(13:19):
can literally wipe out your W two income. People don't
realize that they're probably doing. If if somebody on here
is doing short term rentals like Airbnb on their property,
you can use the short term rentals loophole to collect
tax free income. You can even wipe out your W
two paycheck the taxes. There's so many tax codes that
average and ordinary Americans can implement to pay zero taxes.

(13:43):
I love roth iras, but I can't borrow from them,
so for me, that's a deal killer. I never invest
in an asset unless I can actually take a loan
from that asset. I have a roth ira, but I'm
forty seven. I can't touch you till a sixty, so
I don't don't really fund it too much.

Speaker 5 (13:59):
But I think for.

Speaker 4 (14:00):
Somebody who's fifty years old and they want to target sixty.
I think wroth iras are great, but I also don't
invest in an average index fund. An index fund is
for average returns. That means you're not really getting creative
and you're not learning how to invest. You can earn
way better returns in the market pretty safely and also

(14:21):
have a roth iraty. I like broth ras, but I
only invest when I can invest in borrow. I call
it dead money. I don't want to kill my money,
so I only invest when I can take a loan
from that asset.

Speaker 5 (14:32):
The rich.

Speaker 4 (14:32):
Let me give you example. The rich will have a
brokerage account. They'll be growing it and they'll fund it
and they never sell it. They can borrow from that.
They could fund their estate planning, which is tax free.
They could then borrow from a life insurance policy. They
could buy artwork. They'll put the artwork on their wall,
and they say that's dead money. It's in artwork. They'll
take a loan from their artwork. They'll go buy bitcoin.

(14:54):
Then that's the bitcoin drives. They'll borrow from their bitcoin
and they'll buy gold and precious metals. Put in an
a vault, and then they'll take a vault a loan
from the gold and precious metals and buy stocks. And
they continue to do this buying and borrowing. And the
cool part because anybody can do it. We literally start
people with one hundred dollars in a brokerage account to
show them how to do it. So do the strategy

(15:15):
that billionaires use, and I think they're going to get
better results.

Speaker 2 (15:19):
Now, for people that aren't familiar with this, it sounds
something like something dangerous, like I'm, you know, doing all
of this borrowing. What if there comes a time right
there's something I can't pay back? I mean, it sounds dangerous.
So what's the risk level on a strategy like this?

Speaker 4 (15:36):
The risk I don't recommend the strategy to most people.
I only invest it to people who are willing to
invest there in their financial it the rich speak the
language of money. I had to learn it. My family
had no financial education. We've been poor for at least
three generations where we never had any assets. My family's
never owned, never passed on an asset for three generations

(15:58):
on both sides, not a piece of stock, really state savings.
Has just been poverty for three generations. So I decided
to invest in my financial IQ. I didn't get my
financial IQ by going to college or university. I didn't
get my true financial IQ when I worked in the
financial service industry for fifteen years. I had to exit
the industry and start studying it. I wrote my second

(16:20):
book called Top ten Ways to Avoid Taxes, and I
used to be in Malibu and Beverly Hills and La
Joya meeting with rich people, showing them how to do
this right, how to legally avoid taxes rich people. But
then coronavirus happened and all my apployments canceled, and I
was like, what do I do now? So I went

(16:40):
on Instagram and all the positions are still there, and
I started making a fortune investing. And I started putting
my positions on Instagram and people said, Mark, you should
start a financial education company. I said, that sounds great.
So I've spent four years on this, spent about five
hundred thousand dollars of my own money to develop to
figure out this system. And then it was actually Newsmax.

(17:04):
A division called Humanics Books emailed me last year and said,
could you write a book on this topic proving that
ordinary Americans can.

Speaker 5 (17:13):
Use this strategy.

Speaker 4 (17:14):
So the book is actually dedicated to plumbers and HVACT
workers and security guards and all those things that I
used to that I've done as work.

Speaker 5 (17:22):
So it's a pretty exciting thing.

Speaker 4 (17:25):
I get to wake up every single day and prove
to people that they can actually retire early and pay
no taxes if they put the work in.

Speaker 5 (17:34):
I'd recommend it to other people.

Speaker 4 (17:35):
You have to study it, just like if you want
to do something anything, you have to study it and
get good at it. So you can start with a
small amount though, and then decide if it's for you.
If you don't want to do it, you're going to
be stuck working super hard, fighting inflation and taxes for
the rest of your life. And it's almost impossible to win.
If you take somebody under fifty, anyone under fifty, if

(17:59):
there was no social security, about ninety nine percent of
the population they're investing in their four A one k's
are going to retire in absolute destitute poverty.

Speaker 5 (18:08):
I run the numbers. It's it's pretty scary. Like it's scary.

Speaker 4 (18:12):
Let's say this person at a million dollars in a
four to one K twenty years from now, after inflation,
they get to live on fifteen thousand dollars a year.
That's that's it a million and a four to one K.
Twenty years from now, you're going to live on fifteen
thousand dollars a year, and if you don't have long
term care, you're going to die in a government subsidized

(18:34):
long term care facility. I'm not trying to scare people.
I'm trying to give them or people a reality like
this is the jobs within within five to ten years,
most of the jobs are going to be done with AI.
I don't think your four to one K is going
to help people. I just I'm trying to wake people
up that you really should invest in your financial IQ

(18:55):
because not even your CPA knows how to retire. Most
CPAs die at their desk. Most financial aisers don't know
how to invest in retire. I know because I was
the financial aviasor for CPA. So the CPA doesn't know
how to retire. The CPA doesn't know how to avoid
legally pay no taxes. The financial aiser doesn't know how
to retire. That's why they're getting all your money. They're
charging you the fees on it because they don't know

(19:17):
how to do it. So it's essentially the blind needing
the blind. So people just got to go, hey, I'm
willing to take baby steps and learn this stuff take
control of my finances. You can learn this stuff pretty fast.
I've taught it to people who know nothing, and I've
taught it to rich people, and they all, they all.
Anyone can do it. It's it's really that simple. And

(19:37):
I know it sounds too good to be true, but
it is that simple. I can give you samples or
example how to do it.

Speaker 2 (19:45):
So so so what would you say, is the first step?
Read off four of your books, sign up somewhere on
your website.

Speaker 1 (19:56):
How does this work?

Speaker 4 (19:58):
So I built the company, so we started this. This
is actually a class. I started with friends and some
past clients. I'm like, hey, I'm innistert a financial education company.
Who wants to come? And my friend's like, oh, fifteen
hundred bucks, we'll do it. And we built out the
company and then we realized that was working incredibly well
and anyone can do it. So somebody can go to
our YouTube channel, they can go to our website, the

(20:20):
perfect portfolio dot com. I have tons of YouTube content.
They can learn it somebody. If somebody is like very
sophisticated investor, they understand it. They could read the book
and they literally don't even need our help. They could
implement every single strategy themselves and not need it. If
you have a CPA, the CPA goes, Yep, everything's legit
here and it's applicable to your situation that you could

(20:41):
italy implement the strategies. If somebody wants some more help,
we have a video course. They can do it yourself.
Video course we have if somebody has a huge tax problem,
Like I met with a guy who has four million
in his four one K. He got a four million
dollar tax problem, and he's like, you know, so we
have consulting services. We have my CPA. We do a

(21:05):
lot of consulting with people on advanced tax planning. I
can help super rich people. I can sult help people
that just they're starting out and they just want to
learn how to invest and they've never done it before.
So I've helped every level of financial education. And the
funny part is if you take somebody who's like forty
or fifty, this seems scary because they're like, oh, debt
is bad. Take an eighteen year old show them how

(21:27):
to invest and press the boro button like I love this.
It's totally normal to them. It's not that I mean
that we're taught to do it.

Speaker 2 (21:38):
Yeah, I mean in anything new is scary at first,
But I think most people would agree that the government
is about the worst investment manager you know, and so
any money that you can keep out away from them,
because clearly our tax dollars aren't working for us is
going to be a win for all.

Speaker 1 (22:00):
Really, so I want to plug your book again right now.

Speaker 6 (22:03):
You are.

Speaker 2 (22:06):
Telling people about to be smart because you've written for
but this topic that we're talking about is to be smart,
pay zero taxes, used to buy borrow dice rategy.

Speaker 1 (22:15):
And what's the best place to pick that up?

Speaker 4 (22:19):
Probably just Amazon. And I'll tell you a different angle here.
I believe in one thing, pay less taxes and be
more charitable. I'll give you something that everyone can apply here.
I think people like to talk. Either donate to a
charity or their church. Right, don't do it with your
own money. Invest and borrow the money as a loan
and donate that to your church. That way, your investments

(22:39):
are still growing tax free for the rest of your
life and talk to you God.

Speaker 5 (22:42):
A double tax deduction.

Speaker 4 (22:43):
Because you took a loan which wasn't money that was taxed,
and donated that to your church, that's technically a double
tax deduction. You can build your wealth and borrowed to
fund of business. If you're funding a business, that's a
tax deduction on money that didn't exist. Essentially, it's a
double tax deduction. The system works for W two employees,
that works for people that in real estate, works extremely
well for business owners because you can literally wipe out

(23:06):
your tax bill just with that strategy alone. If you
take the real estate stuff, you can litterally, you know,
never pay taxes for the rest of your life income taxes,
but again pay us taxes and be more charitable.

Speaker 2 (23:18):
So yeah, that sounds great.

Speaker 1 (23:21):
Well, thank you Mark. I'm sure we'll be checking in
with you again soon.

Speaker 2 (23:24):
If you want to check out what he's talking about,
you can go to the Perfectfolio dot com or head
over to Amazon pick up a book by MARKO. J.
Kwan Be Smart Pazier taxes, which I think we can
all agree would would.

Speaker 1 (23:36):
Be the smart thing to do. So thank you for
your insights, Mark, and I'm sure we'll be kitching up
with you again soon.

Speaker 5 (23:42):
Super fun.

Speaker 1 (23:43):
Thanks for having me, youve it WEP.

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Speaker 7 (27:00):
They said that the doctors are basically causing the crisis.
So the government started basically persecuting us and drawing us
in prison to get us to stop prescribing. But unfortunately,
now patients who are in pain, they actually go to
the street and get medication to treat their pain, but

(27:20):
that medication is tainted or unclean or you know, the
you know, cartels don't really care about their clients. So
a lot of these people who have cancer and they're
trying to get their pain addressed, they go to the
street to get the medication and then they die. So
and it's become such a crisis. There's about one hundred

(27:41):
thousand people each year dying in the United States, which is,
you know, obviously greater than Vietnam. And you know, I mean,
at this stage, I think we've exceeded World War Two
in the in the wold war on drugs. So something
has to be done, and I hope there's some solutions
with this new administration to address these issues and finally

(28:03):
solve the crisis once and for all.

Speaker 1 (28:08):
That's just a short clip from an interview I did
with doctor Neil A.

Speaker 8 (28:11):
Non.

Speaker 2 (28:12):
His shirt said doctors of courage, and that is certainly
what it's taking. Is doctors who are willing to address
their patients' concerns their pain are now being targeted, have
been being targeted for prosecution. And it's another situation where
agencies and steps, instead of addressing the real problem, the

(28:32):
fentanyl coming from cartels or anything, they're going after what
they are deeming as easy targets, doctors that are trying
to responsibly use pain medication to help their patients, and
they're again butting into that doctor and patient relationship which
we saw a lot of when it came to their
coronavirus pandemic. Now, this is a discussion that is being

(28:54):
largely ignored by both mainstream media and in many cases,
conservative media, because nobody wants to talk about that. Some
people do need drugs, they do need their pain medication,
cancer patients, others that are dealing with chronic pain. I'm
sure you or someone in your family deals with chronic pain,
and they are being abandoned. They're being abandoned in such
a way that they are increasingly turning to suicide or

(29:17):
as you heard doctor Neil and On to say, just there,
turning to the streets, the thing that we're supposed to
be avoiding. So none of this is making sense We
need a lot more attention on this issue so this
new administration can address it appropriately. I am now joined
by doctor Muhammad Ali Rafi with the latest on doctor
neilan On's case and to share his own story of

(29:38):
what happened with him. He's a psychiatrist, internist, addictionalogist and
researcher and expertise and tell a psychiatry, neuromodulation and more. So,
thank you so much for joining me. I hope I've
been saying your name correctly. Please correct me right now.
I didn't get to just talk to you ahead of time.

Speaker 8 (29:55):
So thank you, thank you for hosting me to talk
a little bit about our colleague, doctor neil on On. Unfortunately,
last week he received bad news from from the jury.
They convicted him on all charges quite unfortunately. So we
are we're working through the appeals now to to to

(30:18):
the appeals court to the Third Circuit Court of Appeals
to appeal his case because.

Speaker 6 (30:24):
A lot of.

Speaker 8 (30:28):
Illegal things and invalid things that were done in his prosecution.
That took six years. He's been waiting for six years
to get the jury and then and then the uh,
the government just just makes up all the rules and
makes up all things and and unfortunately, uh they were
able to deceive the jury into into giving him a

(30:48):
guilty verdict, while his three other co defendants were found
not guilty. So it's quite unfortunate at this time. And
that's that's the you know, I I faced the same
battle last year. I went, I went to trial, I
said no, I will not plea and I was lucky.
My lawyer was able to convince the jury that I

(31:10):
was not guilty and I was completely exonerated. And you see,
I'm now back in practice in my office. But it's
but it's unfortunate. It's just the government is just targeting
physicians who care for their patients, physicians who care for
individuals who are the underserved, the individuals who are dispensable

(31:34):
for the government. It doesn't matter if they if you're
not able to provide services to your community and you're gone,
the government takes you out, and these people are left
with no doctor to help them. They can turn to
the street for drugs, they could have no services. It
doesn't matter for the government. And it's quite unfortunate what's
been going on. And but we continue to support our

(31:56):
colleague doctor Neil on On and we're going to continue
to support him in his struggle with the government for appeal.

Speaker 1 (32:05):
Yeah, I mean there are ramifications of this.

Speaker 2 (32:07):
The ripple effect on so many levels is profound, and
it's unfortunate that people are so ill informed. We've been
We've dealt with propaganda campaigns for many, many years, but
it's really letting the criminals get off the hook, and
then it's allowing doctors to become easy targets and no
one wins from this situation. I really encourage people to

(32:31):
watch that entire interview with doctor Neil and and it
doesn't take a rocket scientist to hear from him, hear
his story and feel compassion for him that he's certainly
not a drug dealer like the government tried to make
a case against him for. He's a compassionate physician who
is trying to help his patients. And he really focused
in on this method, this unscientific method.

Speaker 1 (32:54):
Now, this artificial intelligence program that.

Speaker 2 (32:58):
Is purported to identify whether certain people are receiving too
high of doses or too big of mixtures, and it's
it's making it's allowing a machine to to interject itself
in between the doctor and patient relationship and really, as
you said can be used as a tool by the

(33:19):
government to uh to attempt to bring more of these cases,
and it feels the government can say it's doing something
about this, this actual real drug problem, when really it's
it's just causing so much harm.

Speaker 8 (33:38):
Absolutely, absolutely, I mean I think in my case, I
live in practice in rural Pennsylvania. Doctor Annon is in
the suburbs of Philadelphia, probably about an hour from where
his practice is. But I'm in rural Pennsylvania. And when
I was indicted, a lot of my patients lost access
to my services. And within two years of the loss

(34:03):
of access to my services, the rate of suicides the
CDC recorded at the rate of suicides increased measurably in
my area just because people had no access to a psychiatrist,
to an addiction medicine doctor who was helping them, and
the government didn't care. It didn't matter with the government.
And when we went to trial, it turned out that

(34:25):
they basically they just collected evidence that that was meaningless.
We showed it to the jury that everything that they
collected was meaningless. There was no evidence that I did
anything wrong. They just wanted to scare people, and you know,
I didn't scare I wanted to go to trial.

Speaker 6 (34:46):
I proved my innocence.

Speaker 8 (34:48):
We found out that the government, whatever they were saying
wasn't correct. They just collected information and targeted individuals.

Speaker 6 (34:55):
Who are minorities.

Speaker 8 (34:58):
They're targeting minority for ysicians, African Americans, Hispanic Indians. I'm
I'm of a Middle Eastern ancestry, but I'm I'm born
and raised in this country. I served this country. I
was in the Public Health Service. Like my colleague, doctor
Neil Onnan, he's a nine nine to eleven hero. He
was on the nine to eleven site within a day,

(35:19):
helping patients, helping first responders. And this is this, and
and he's a he's a lieutenant commander in the in
the Navy, And this is what the country repays him
with a prosecution, and they want him to go to
jail for a long time. And he just serves his patients.
He serves the underserved population that nobody cares about from Washington,

(35:40):
because these are the dispensable. These are the people in
rural Pennsylvania that nobody cares about. But we are here
as physicians, we are healers. Unfortunately, in my case, for example,
the United States Attorney who was fired by President Trump.
On her way out, she called all doctors in her district.
She called them dirty doctors who poisoned the community. That's

(36:03):
how she put out a press release and said that
we are dirty doctors who poisoned the community.

Speaker 6 (36:08):
All doctors, not.

Speaker 8 (36:09):
Just not just doctors that she prosecuted. She called us
all dirty doctors. And thank god that President Trump fired
this US attorney and she's no longer there. But this
is what we deal with on a daily basis from
the United States Department of Justice.

Speaker 6 (36:23):
Unfortunately.

Speaker 1 (36:26):
Yeah, and I mean, poor doctor.

Speaker 2 (36:28):
I mean, this has been like such a long road,
as you said, six years just to be brought to
the case. And in that time, because of like so
many January sixth victims, he had a surprise rate on
his home, he had a divorce, you know, the strain
that all of this has caused, and it all stemmed

(36:49):
from him just trying to do his job to be
compassionate doctor. And people are so ill informed on this topic.
You know, I'm really passionate about trying to tell these stories.
You know, every journal is supposed to be a voice
for the voiceless, and my heart is broken that there
are so many that feel like they don't have a voice,
that are suffering as you and I speak right now,

(37:10):
suffering and afraid of of like how they'll be able
to function. There's such a pariah on those that need
pain medication, that truly need it to function and don't
ever exceed their their dosage amount or anything that I've
gotten countless emails and stories now from folks who've been

(37:30):
like I've been on this certain protocol after a spine surgery,
never never had to increase my dosage or anything like
that for like fifteen years, and then suddenly they have
to worry about the what is their ability to have freedom.
There's people that truly can't function. The pain is so

(37:51):
debilitating that they can't even function and have a proper life,
and now they have to worry because of this new
agenda going to get to live and be able to
accomplish anything. It's absolutely heartbreaking. I'm going to do my
best to try and get to as many of those
stories as I possibly can. But I'm only one person.
But this is just the other element to this that

(38:14):
I feel compassionate for. Is we all, all of us,
anybody listening, I'm sure has had to go through this
period of what we call self censorship. When they were
cracking down on people. You couldn't say that perhaps the
COVID nineteen came from Wuhan lab. You couldn't say that
the vaccine wouldn't.

Speaker 1 (38:35):
Protect against transmission.

Speaker 2 (38:37):
These are things that people got demonetized for that people
got kicked off, and so it led to people even now.

Speaker 1 (38:44):
Feeling that they have to self censor.

Speaker 2 (38:46):
And so what we're seeing happen in this topic, I
believe is that certain doctors they may know what's best
for a patient, but now that they see other doctors
being paid, being prosecuted, their lives being destroyed, they're having
to self censor what they think would be best for
the patient.

Speaker 8 (39:03):
Right.

Speaker 1 (39:03):
That's the other element of this believe This.

Speaker 8 (39:06):
Physician is not self censoring. So I am in the
process of writing a book. The book title is Doctor
Not Guilty, and I am going to reveal all of this.
I'm going to write about it, and I'm actually three
quarters the way through this book. I speak on a
regular basis. I have a YouTube channel, I write on

(39:31):
x all the time, and I write blogs specifically exposing
the issue of prosecution of physicians because I think it's unjust.
I think it affects the morale of physicians. We already
don't have enough physicians. Now we're taking away physicians from
the community, and especially the underserved community in my areas.

Speaker 6 (39:55):
I'm in Middle America.

Speaker 8 (39:56):
There's not enough physicians, and the government now is secuting physicians,
is jailing physicians. This is the only country in the
world where we have the highest number of incarcerated physicians
on the face of the earth. This is the country
where they incarcrate and prosecute close to five hundred physicians

(40:16):
every year the United States Department of Justice. So we
have the highest number of incarcerated physicians on the face
of the earth. So basically, the Department of Justice just
found a punching bag to basically instead of going after
the cartels, because we are in nice offices.

Speaker 6 (40:35):
I'm in my office.

Speaker 8 (40:36):
They would come and raid my office. There's there's no weapons,
there's nothing here, as opposed to go and raid a
cartel pennhouse where there there is there is machine guns
and firearms, and they're going to fire back at them.
They come here to my office, they pick me up,
they take me to jail, they do court, and and
they convict me and that that's that's an easy win

(40:58):
for them, but not for the cartel. And so you
see how in the media now, even the other side,
they're basically promoting the gang members and the MS thirteen
gang members and people are advocating for those and we,
the doctors, we are the members of the community. We
are the outstanding members of the community. I don't know

(41:19):
if your audience know, but physicians have always been in
the center of this democracy. The Declaration of Independence was
signed by four physicians. It was four physicians signed the
Declaration of Independence. One of them is a psychiatrist, doctor
Benjamin Rush. He's the father of American psychiatry, and he's
one of the signers of the Declaration of Independence. Doctor

(41:42):
Benjamin Rush what actually led the Pennsylvania delegation to ratify
the constitution. So physicians have always been the pillars of
the community. We've always been at the foundation of democracy
on this republic. And now our white coats are being
replaced by orange jumpsuits, jail orange jumpsuits. And that's quite unfortunate.

(42:03):
This is quite a transformation from the pillars of this community,
from the foundation of democracy to being haunted as criminals.
We are not criminals. We are healers. We support our community,
and we support our colleague, doctor Neil Anon.

Speaker 2 (42:21):
And I think that there's another element to this that
we haven't really touched upon. The other element that you're
having to fight against is the disparagement that some doctors
brought upon themselves. Those doctors that aligned with the government
and were willing to do whatever the agencies and government

(42:43):
were dictating to them and became their foot soldiers. The
doctors who kept loved ones from their family members when
we were experiencing the coronavirus and keeping them separated. The
doctors that refused to try the medication family members or
patients asked for during the pandemic. And so I think
there is this a lot of this animosity toward doctors,

(43:06):
those kinds of doctors that make it harder for perhaps
conservative media to listen to this current play of doctors
of courage, as doctor Nanda War. We need to remember
the doctors who were heroes during that pandemic, who stood
up for the doctor patient relationship and who have a

(43:28):
great moral character, and we're not allowing the government or
the agencies to dictate how they cared for their patients.
And so I think that that's another element in this
that you're having to fight, is the stigmatization of certain
white coat wearers, if you will. And so I mean
that's got to be really tough as well.

Speaker 9 (43:48):
Right, yes, yes, and but we are basically we stood
with our community when when when the COVID pandemic came,
we we stood with our community.

Speaker 8 (43:58):
I was there, I was supporting my community. But the
government didn't care that the government that had had no
interest in in uh, basically supporting the community. People now
are crying that that President Trump and Secretary Kennedy are
basically reducing the number of employees for the Department of
Health and Human Services. But they were not there when

(44:21):
the pandemic was what was happening. Half of the employees
were not showing up. They basically were not available. They
they they they didn't even open their emails, they didn't
sign into their computers. The Department of Health and Human
Services employee half of them for one year didn't even
sign into their to their computers. So they were not
they were not there. And so there's there's no tears

(44:43):
that are being shed on on some of these employees
being let go and I'm a full supporter of Secretary
Kennedy and and uh President Trump in in reducing and
en doge to reduce the number of these employees because
they're not needed. They didn't make any difference. It was
it was additional, additional regulation that didn't help the health providers,

(45:05):
didn't help the community, and actually made things worse. So
less regulation is very, very important, And I think that's
the message that we learned from the prosecution of doctor
Neil Annan and the other physicians is that we definitely
need less regulations.

Speaker 6 (45:20):
The agencies that.

Speaker 8 (45:21):
Are in charge health and human services, the DEA, they
need less regulations that have them have them go and
fight the cartels. They shouldn't be they shouldn't be butting
into the doctor patient relationship. They shouldn't be butting into
the relationship between a physician and their pay and the
patient or the treatment in the community. They should just

(45:42):
uh go and fight the cartels. No, nobody's fighting the cartels.
They're they're just roaming around in our in our cities,
and the DEA agents. What's the best that they can
do is they can come to doctors air conditioned offices.
They're they're nice offices, they come, they do inspections, They
they arrest doctors, and they prosecute them, and and and

(46:02):
they don't go after cartels.

Speaker 6 (46:04):
And it's quite unfortunately.

Speaker 8 (46:05):
This is what we see what's happening right now, is
that the cartels are roaming pretty pretty wild, and they're
pouring in fetanyl into our communities. And it's not that
the prescribed opiates are the ones that are problematic. Is
the feedanyl out in the community. That's what leading to overdoses.
That's what's leading to death in our community. So basically,

(46:27):
less regulations is definitely much much better than the situation
that we were in before.

Speaker 2 (46:34):
And so we're up again such a goliath when it
comes to the propaganda campaign that it has been allowed
to persist, and the priorities of this administration and not
knowing about these many voices that are suffering right now, what's.

Speaker 1 (46:51):
The best way forward?

Speaker 2 (46:52):
What can we do so that future jury panels aren't
don't already come in with their own bias and are
allowed to have rogue justice systems targeting the wrong individuals,
those that are trying to help people as opposed to
those that are resisting deportations. Right now, I mean, how

(47:13):
do we get our priorities realigned and what can us
as individuals do to help in this effort.

Speaker 6 (47:20):
I think speaking up, I mean I am speaking up.

Speaker 8 (47:23):
I am contacting my elected representatives, the senators from Pennsylvania,
the congress people from Pennsylvania. I'm contacting the new crew
at the Justice Department, Attorney General Pam Bondi. I'm writing
letters to her. I'm writing letters to President Trump just
to alert them about what's going on about the campaign

(47:46):
that the Justice Department has had on physicians. Unnecessarily, we're
going to end up with no physicians available for the
community if they continue on doing this. So a shift
in priorities I think is coming with with this new administration.
President Trump is definitely doing the right thing to assist physicians.

(48:07):
But we're speaking up, publishing articles, blogs, talking to your show,
publishing a book. I have one book, which is Doctor
Not Guilty. I have another book that's coming it's People v.

Speaker 6 (48:19):
Medicine.

Speaker 8 (48:20):
And I'll be happy to come and talk to you
once these books are are published. But they include a
lot of stories, a lot of calamities that happened around
the country of physicians that got prosecuted by the government.
Uh that went to jail, and and and that experienced
significant injustice with with the Department of Justice kind of

(48:45):
making up things and and just anything that a doctor
does basically they criminalize it. So we're just going to
speak up. We're going to continue to talk and speak
up about it and not remain silent. I think one
of our faults was that we we remained silent when
when when, when things happened, and and not a lot
of physicians spoke up because they were afraid that they're

(49:06):
going to be targeted.

Speaker 6 (49:08):
And I I've already been targeted here.

Speaker 2 (49:10):
We are being targeted any anyway, not justness.

Speaker 8 (49:15):
I was targeted. So I'm gonna I'm I'm speaking up.
I'm here in my office, I'm still seeing patients. And
I was I was exonerated. The jury found me completely
not guilty, and within one month, all of my prescribing
privileges and all of my billing privileges were restored by
the government because they realized that what they did was

(49:36):
was unconsfitable and unjust. And in fact, I'm actually fighting back.
So I have filed a lawsuit against the United States
Department of Justice, and I'm seeking attorney's fees, and I'm
seeking damages and I'm seeking actually defamation uh damages against
the United States Department of Justice for basically, uh maligning

(49:57):
the the profession of medicine and saying dirty doctors, dirty doctors,
poisoned the community.

Speaker 6 (50:03):
We're not dirty doctors. We are healers.

Speaker 8 (50:06):
We're signers of the Declaration of Independence. We ratified the Constitution,
and we're here to serve our community. And we're not
here as drug dealers. We are healers, and we're here
to serve the community.

Speaker 1 (50:19):
Yeah, and we're quickly running out of time.

Speaker 2 (50:21):
But what do you think was the major difference between
your core day and core and being able to be
exonerated and poor doctor Neil A.

Speaker 1 (50:32):
Nod.

Speaker 8 (50:35):
I think it's a different jury. I was actually in
a different courthouse. I was in a different city. He
was in Philadelphia. I was in Writing, Pennsylvania, which is
rural Pennsylvania. I had a rural jury that realized that
there's not enough doctors. His jury was in Pennsylvania, in Philadelphia,
where they had plenty of doctors, and they it didn't matter.

(50:56):
They had there's three universities. There didn't matter in a
rural area, and people knew the the the value of physicians.
Uh it was a different jury. They they knew the
value of physicians. In Philadelphia, there's there's many, many doctors
and and they didn't they didn't.

Speaker 6 (51:13):
Know the value of doctors.

Speaker 8 (51:14):
But you know that we're going to keep We're going
to keep prosecuting doctors and putting doctors in jail until
until there's no more doctors to serve the community. We
already have a shortage of doctors, and it's gonna get worse.
There's not gonna be any doctors who are gonna prescribe
pain medications. They already they already prosecuted the majority of doctors.
The numbers came down from about ten thousand. Now there's

(51:36):
only four thousand doctors who are who are practicing pain management.
And there's probably the numbers are going to go more
down and they're gonna they're gonna continue to target UH physicians.
Now they're going after physicians who prescribe UH diet medications.
Who are They're going after physicians who prescribe medications that
service the community, that prescribe medications that help ADHD, that

(52:00):
medications that helps help anxiety. So they're just basically they
ran out of pain medicine doctors, and they're now they're
going under all the other control substances and I don't
know what, when, what, what's going to happen next, But
basically they're just they they do not want to go
after the real targets, which are the cartels that are
pouring in fentanyl for the for our communities. That's where

(52:21):
the DEA needs to focus on. They need to send
all of their agents to the to the to the
border to to protect our communities from the fentanyl that's
pouring through.

Speaker 6 (52:32):
The border.

Speaker 2 (52:34):
Or that's yeah, or that's already here and they won't
get these folks out. Well, my time is up, a doctor,
but we will definitely follow up with you. Keep us
updated on your progress with your book and let me
know if there's anything else I can do other than
and trying to amplify these voices of those suffering.

Speaker 1 (52:52):
So thank you so much.

Speaker 7 (52:54):
My pleasure.

Speaker 8 (52:55):
We appreciate you amplifying our voice and getting our voice
to your audience.

Speaker 1 (53:01):
You bet, absolutely, I'm gonna do it as long as
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.css-14f5ked{margin:0;word-break:break-word;display:-webkit-box;-webkit-box-orient:vertical;box-orient:vertical;-webkit-line-clamp:2;overflow:hidden;}Money, Medicine, and Misjustice: Tax-Free Secrets and the Feds' War on Docs! | Mark J Quann & Muhamad Aly Riffai