Vaccine Cover-Ups: SIDS, Autism, and the Fight for Accountability | Shaz Khan & Dr Peter McCullough - Get Free with Kristi Leigh

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Tackling the hidden dangers of vaccines and the lack of accountability.
Will scandals like Epstein and Russia Gates spark outrage?

Speaker 2 (00:07):
Where's the fury for.

Speaker 1 (00:08):
Human lives loss to unsafe vaccines? No one's held responsible
and change is not coming fast enough. It's time to
expose the links between baby vaccines and SIDS cover ups.
Then doctor Peter McCullough reveals the history of vaccines, their
ties to autism and death, and ideology silencing safety questions.

Speaker 2 (00:28):
The news you need to know, but with solutions and hope.

Speaker 3 (00:30):
This is Get Free with Christy Lee.

Speaker 1 (00:56):
Not the lighthearted intros that I normally have here and
Get Free. You know, we like to stay positive, but
this is too important to dismiss, too important not to
make sure you're not paying attention. We have to listen
up to parents because our population is already decreasing. The
abortion industry is cashing in on killing babies, and whatever

(01:17):
babies they don't murder in the womb, there was killing
with an endless and increasing list.

Speaker 2 (01:22):
Of required jabs.

Speaker 1 (01:24):
The Maha movement isn't saving our babies fast enough, so
it is up to us. We need to educate ourselves
and then spread the word to save lives. It's time
we give infants a voice. Joining us is Shas Khan,
author of the Ultimate Vaccine Timeline exposing links between baby
vaccines and SIDS cover ups. Con is an expert researcher

(01:47):
where certifications and courses in nutrition, marketing and communications, anatomy
and physiology, and immunobiology and vaccineology. After months spent researching
in libraries and national archives, discovered the undisclosed safety history
of vaccines and the scope of injuries observed following their
administration that we're acknowledged by authorities. Her commitment to the truth,

(02:10):
freedom and the preservation of health is the motivation behind this.
Shaz thank you so much for joining us. Such an
important topic and one that quite frankly, we as independent
media should be talking about more, but we're guilty of
getting caught up in all of the hysteria of all
the other scandals and controversies. But you know, it really
comes down to life, saving lives.

Speaker 4 (02:33):
Thank you Christy for having me. Yes, it's a very
important subject and since COVID it's gotten even more intensified.
But it's really important that we get the word out
and we share this information.

Speaker 2 (02:44):
Absolutely, you know, it is encouraging.

Speaker 1 (02:46):
We have covered on this show and other shows here
on Lindel TV the amount of parents that are now
opting to exempt out of some of these vaccines. It's
steadily increasing these exempts forms. So of course the American
Academy of Pediatrics is trying to recommend that there be
no exceptions. They have to keep these vaccines alive. It

(03:08):
is really wild to see the commitment that some doctors
and scientists have to following this vaccine schedule, and there's
just so much information and evidence out there that indicates
how dangerous this is.

Speaker 4 (03:23):
Yeah, but it's become a massive market, So of course
it's a huge threat to the vaccine industry if there
were supposed to, I mean, if they lost confidence that
the public completely and basically couldn't sell their products. And
the more I think we're talking about, hundreds of thousands
of people would be out of a job. So there's
lots of money in vaccine development, especially now after COVID
with this pandemic preparedness whole scheme going on. Vaccines are

(03:45):
seen as the only salvation possible for a pandemic, and
we saw that also during COVID how they suppress other
treatments in favor of vaccination. Again, I would say it's
a money factor. Maybe there's other factors as well.

Speaker 5 (03:56):
But yeah, it's for me.

Speaker 4 (03:58):
I mean, I'm not even a parent, so as I'm
not in science, I'm not a medical doctor. But when
I found out this information, and when I discovered it
in libraries, because most of this information is not available online,
I was absolutely shocked and really quite pissed off, to
be quite honest. That's why I wanted to put it
in a book that I could share with people. There
would be an ultimate reference guide that will help people

(04:20):
make decisions and also look at the history of where
we've come from vaccinations because they're rewriting history, and especially
now with AI, we can see how AI. You know,
obviously it's limited to what it gets access to, and
it never seems to talk about any of the problems
that we've had with vaccines, and we're just glossing over
the problems that we've had. And the government authorities they
can keep their documents in the libraries and only people

(04:42):
who are geek enough like me to go and try
to get access to them or ask for freedom of
informational quests actually can see this information. So I think
it's incredibly concerning and it's very important that people get informed.

Speaker 2 (04:54):
Yeah, so important.

Speaker 1 (04:55):
As you said, you really can't find this information readily
available on the internet, you know. Just preparing for this interview,
I was like doing some googling, like knowing I wasn't
gonna find any relevant information, but it was just curious.
And it's just like there's been sprinkled here and there
news reports like breaking possible nucids connection, and they go

(05:19):
through all of these connections that they know of, and
what now they knew their learning could be a connection
anything from of course we've all heard the baby positioning
when they sleep, but now they talk about certain genes
could be at fault. But they of course never mentioned
the vaccines ever, like that's not even mentioned, and they

(05:41):
act like that's debunked. So tell me what you found
that helps, I guess debunk the debunkers.

Speaker 4 (05:48):
Right, Well, the first thing is worthwhile knowing is that
deaths after vaccines have been occurring since the day vaccines
started being given. So obviously we know about genner and
the smallpox vaccination, which wasn't even an injection back in
the days it was kind of like a scratch on
the surface of your skin, but that could kill you.
And also the earlier technique of that, which is vary elation,
whereas where they would take a smallpox and crusts, for instance,

(06:11):
and blow it up your nose or again scrape it
onto the skin. They knew that there was a lot
of danger with that. And then fast forward to the
rabies vaccine death development by Louis Pastor, who's a chemist,
not biologist or a doctor, and he didn't deal with
living organisms. There was always dangers, There were deaths, and
they often were swept under the carpet. Some of them
more acknowledged and actually reported in medical literature, but again

(06:34):
sometimes only in obscure newspapers or in some journals, but
again kind of like lost to present day understanding and knowledge.
So I mean encephalitis neurological injury is one of the
main injuries that have occurred after vaccination, and as I said,
has been acknowledged as death has as well. They have
been death after polio vaccines. They have been death. And

(06:54):
this is the big one is a DTP shot that
was probably the shot that had the most obvious problems
with it. And that was why the American public Indian
started basically suing the manufacturers out of existence.

Speaker 5 (07:06):
Hence, then in nineteen.

Speaker 4 (07:07):
Eighty six, vaccine Injury Compensation Program came into place to
protect the manufacturers and to create kind of a fund
to compensate these children who were damaged or who killed,
which just remind people today that if your child dies
after a vaccine, you're entitled to two hundred and fifty
thousand dollars. That's basically what your child's life is worth.
In developing countries it's about forty thousand dollars, and here

(07:30):
in Switzerland it's about seventy thousand dollars. So they've put
price tags basically on what our life is worth. And
I found out altoally quite concerning. But fast forward also
to the Institute of Medicine. So the Institute Medicine now
called the National Academy Medicine is basically mandated. It was
mandated by the CDC to do investigations. They started with
polio vaccines because we know the polio vaccine problems that

(07:52):
they had, which eventually they stopped using neural polio because
it was causing polio. Still use that vaccine in developing countries,
by the way, and they started doing regular kind of
investigations into vaccine science to see what the science said
about safety. And it's interesting because they did two reports
specifically on SIDS, one in nineteen ninety one and the

(08:13):
last one I'm aware of was in two thousand and three,
and they didn't even look at the whole vaccine schedule,
all the vaccines, but they looked at the DETAP, the
defterior tetanus double shot which doesn't exist anymore, hepatitis B
oral polio and inactivated polio vaccine, and already in ninety
one had they basically assessed that there was not enough
scientific literature to whats the word, it's inadequate to accept

(08:37):
or reject causation between the vaccines causing death and the
hepatitis B OPVs Oral polio and inactivated polio.

Speaker 5 (08:45):
And it is.

Speaker 4 (08:45):
Similar analysis in two thousand and three where they looked
at a few more vaccines and they included the HIB
in this one, and they still one of their conclusion
was basically, the literature is inadequate to accept or reject
causation between DETAP, hib opv IPv in multiple vaccines given together.
So then we know that there still has not been
a single study funded by the government to look at

(09:08):
the whole childhood vaccine schedule and to really assess safety.
And we also know that they don't use placebos, real placebos.
They've changed the definition of placebos in the pre clinical trials,
so you don't have an adequate safety baseline when you
bring these products to market. And as we all, I
think some of us might remember during COVID when they
started recommending it to children and we had Eric Rubin,

(09:29):
whose editor of New England Journal of Medicine and also
on the ACIP. I don't think he is there anymore,
hopefully not, who said that you can't basically test the
safety until you roll it out into you know, thousands
and hundreds of thousands of children, which this is unacceptable.
We wouldn't let a single other product on the market
have that kind of free pass. And there's no other
product that I know of that is given complete liability

(09:50):
for any problems.

Speaker 2 (09:53):
Now, one thing that I know that you cover in
your book is.

Speaker 1 (09:57):
This ability that they have to you classify potential vaccine
related fatalities as not being had.

Speaker 2 (10:07):
So can you explain that.

Speaker 4 (10:09):
So there's a I mean if anybody who doesn't know
when you classify it. I mean, I'll take the example
of a death, because usually death certificates are probably the
most reliable, one of the most reliable reports you can
look at. You have an ICD code. This is applies
to Switzerland where I'm based, or it applies to the US.
It's the International Classification of Diseases. It used to be
called the International Classifications of Death. And one of the

(10:30):
first codes was actually for small pox death I mean
death after small pox vaccination. Sorry, I was quite surprised
to find that out. So if you don't have a
code that attributes you know, vaccination death, potentially with that
ICD code, you can't actually put it in the report.
And up until if I'm not mistaken, it was nineteen
seventies they had ICD code specifically for death and injuries

(10:53):
following specific vaccines.

Speaker 5 (10:54):
Because I knew that they could cause problems.

Speaker 4 (10:56):
But then they changed it and they basically got rid
of those codes and they tamed it into a very
convoluted system, which I map out in my book so
you can see how the codes change and when they change.
It's very hard to actually track the injuries because the
codes are changing every kind of like twelve to fifteen years,
and it's incredibly complex. I mean, even the who doesn't

(11:16):
put these codes specifically to vaccine injury in their official guide.
I mean, I hope they changed that, but that was
very very suspicious for me. And they they're aware that
it's called basically poisoning, poisoning by biologic substances, so they've
kind of watered down what used to be a very
good coding system which could help identify, if you know,
if it was an injury after a specific vaccine, and

(11:38):
now they've kind of like gotten away with it. And
also when the American Academy of Pediatrics when there was
basically a public outcry about SIDS following vaccinations and they
blamed it on you know, you're putting your baby on
its stomach instead of its back. When they were using
that campaign to prove that SIDS was going down, well,
they had another ICD code of suffocation, which those SIDS

(12:01):
diagnosis which would have been under SIDS before were shifted
to suffocation so they didn't come up as SIDS, so
that they created the illusion that sid's gone down after
their campaign. So there's whole kinds of very insidious ways
that they can get around not, you know, putting any
kind of blame on the vaccine. And then on top
of it, it's very difficult nowadays because we have combined

(12:21):
vaccines to actually be able to identify what the specific
antigeneral specific problem might be. And we know that doctors
in general don't really want to admit that something they
might have recommended would have caused injury, and there's like
a systematic and I would call it pathological denial basically
between the medical establishment, and it's not all their fault
because they're not educated. They're not educated to understand and

(12:42):
to recognize the injuries that are following vaccinations. They barely
get an education on vaccination unless they do further training,
which tends to be financed and sponsored by the pharmaceutical industry.
So there's a lot of lack of knowledge, which if
the education system could adapt to inform doctors what to
look for or know how to treat some of these
side effects as well, I think that would help enormously.

(13:04):
But of course, the first acknowledgment is that we appreciate
that vaccines can be dangerous, and maybe we should look
at the schedule and reassess it.

Speaker 1 (13:13):
Yeah, you know, as you were talking about the recoding
and then basically the abolishing of the coding. I couldn't
help but think we've done stories on the deception when
it comes to crime in big blue cities, right, and
they are always saying, oh, you know, we.

Speaker 2 (13:29):
Didn't have we had, we had a lowering.

Speaker 1 (13:31):
Of fatalities, we had, we don't, didn't have as much
crime last year, or whatever the case may be. And
if you dig a little bit deeper, it's because there
it wasn't reported. So if we don't report it, then
it's like, oh, I guess it just never happened. And
so that's what it reminds me of. It was an
inconvenient truth. And so they're like, oh, we can't have
these codes. It'll be extremely difficult, uh to tie it

(13:54):
back to vaccine. So this is the way we go.
I mean, even with the verr's cism dem I'm told
by doctors it's incredibly difficult to use that system. So
when you do want to report a potential problem, it
would be a very long and arduous process to actually
report it, so that that actually gets underreported.

Speaker 2 (14:14):
So, I mean, there's so.

Speaker 1 (14:16):
Much wrong with even the lack of interest in tracking
and finding out ways to save lives. I mean, that's
what it fundamently comes down to, is how can people
with a clear conscience turn a blind eye to the
fact that we're not even tracking this.

Speaker 4 (14:35):
No, it's a problem in here in Switzerland as well,
and it's a problem they've known for many decades and
they haven't done anything really to kind of rectify that.
The only thing that we saw that was during COVID
or well actually it was three months after the campaign
already started, is they put a simplified format, simplified form sorry,
that people could fill out if they had any injuries

(14:55):
following the COVID vaccine. But then what we saw is
the swismatic r FDA is kind of gone behind that
and you know, I would say, trafficked some of the
data to say, well it's not you know, we don't
consider it serious because you weren't hospitalized, and managed to
basically manipulate love of data and come out with the
statement saying that the two hundred and thirty six people
I think who reported un necess just reported dead after

(15:18):
the COVID vaccine, it was not linked to the vaccine.
So there's a systematic denial from the public health authorities,
and if that doesn't change from the top up, then
it's going to be very hard for that to trinkle
down towards like all the medical associations and the state
medical boards.

Speaker 5 (15:31):
And even the hospitals.

Speaker 4 (15:33):
But it's it's very concerning and quite frankly, it's unacceptable.
I mean, if we do really care about children's lives,
I mean we're talking about.

Speaker 5 (15:41):
Children babies here.

Speaker 4 (15:43):
If they really cared about them, they would have done
something already about fifty years ago. But we're seeing that
this effort to put in the Vaccine Injury Compensation Act,
which was supposed to support you know, those rare injured
in the you know, in the name.

Speaker 5 (15:57):
Of public good.

Speaker 4 (15:59):
It's it's a horribly underperforming system. It's become very litigious,
even though it was supposed to not. The reason why
it was existing outside the regular court system was to
make it easier. But sometimes people have to wait five
years before they get a ruling, and then most of
them are dismissed. So if somebody does really want to
continue saying well, they then have to go and sue

(16:19):
in the regular standard way. And it's very hard because
you're up against the public health authorities, the pharmaceutical industry,
and they're experts, and for the consumer to have to
prove that their product is dangerous, I think already is unacceptable.
They should be able to prove it's safe before it's
brought to market, which they haven't to this day, they
still haven't with lacking placebos and long term studies. And

(16:42):
when I did my vacimology course in Oxford, what I
was shocked to find, because I would have thought this
would evolve a little bit, is they don't look at
anything else but the immune system when they're studying vaccines.
It's like it's an isolated system that doesn't operate in
connection with your nervous system, your digestive system. And let's
not forget we're giving these babies injections at a time
where their nervous system is incredibly underdeveloped, not to mention

(17:05):
all the other organs.

Speaker 5 (17:08):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (17:08):
Again, when I was looking into I just I mean,
if you type in YouTube baby vaccination, there was all
these videos of babies getting vaccinated and I saw so
many nic you babies, oh babies first vaccine in the
NIKEU and it was just made me want to throw up.
I mean, like these these are the most prone to

(17:32):
to being fragile, and you're gonna give all these foreign
introduce all this foreign stuff into a nick you baby.
I mean, it's bad enough in a baby fresh born
healthy that you would pump them full of foreign you know,
before they can even develop anythan system. A couple of
things I want to point out. It came out I

(17:56):
believe in it in a hearing that there really is
no benefit even if you're believing in the science, there
really is no benefit to vaccine giving a vaccine before
the age of six months because it's supposed to strengthen
an immune system. But if the immune system hasn't even

(18:17):
begun to develop, then you know, when questioned about this
in a hearing, they were saying, like, no, there's really
no benefit before six months.

Speaker 2 (18:26):
Okay, well then why do you push them before six months?

Speaker 1 (18:28):
And then the answer was that to get parents used
to that, they would need to come back and intervals.

Speaker 2 (18:35):
I don't know if if that came out and your research.

Speaker 4 (18:38):
I have to admit I didn't look specifically at court
hearings and court cases. I was my nose stuck in
books and some old records, but I did look at
some older the court case older court cases, so I
don't know if this was something recent, but I hadn't
heard that. But that's come across in a lot of
scientific documentation because it's simply well acknowledged. Especially if the
baby is breastfed, the antibodies and the protect and they're

(19:00):
going to get from the breast milk is going to
kind of like override anything that they get from vaccines potentially,
And this is one of the reasons why I wouldn't
give a you know, MMR before six months. This tends
to be the live attenuated that they they hold off on.
But yeah, they want to get parents used to a
system where they have to come back, you know, on
a regular basis on a well baby visit, which is

(19:20):
just a ridiculous name in my opinion, and pretty much,
you know, get them into this like habit of you.
You're going to come every few months, you get your injections,
et cetera, and we're going to get you dependent on
a system. Because I would love to see a study
where they see and I think some people sorry, there
has been a study of a vac's unvaxed where we
see different kinds of you know asthma adhd all those

(19:42):
kinds of things which seem to be higher in the
vaccinated populations.

Speaker 5 (19:46):
But also to look at the number of kids who.

Speaker 4 (19:47):
Are hospitalized in general after they get a vaccine, because
I hear that a lot where I see my friends
who've got kids who have to send their kids to
a hospital within a month of getting a vaccine. But
by that point they don't make the connection. So there's
a lot of work that need to be done. But
in my opinion, it's a tough it's a very tough
thing because you're up against a giant machine and belief.

Speaker 1 (20:09):
And censorships and absolutely ridicule and so so much. But
let's talk about the connections. Those are very clear. If
you are willing to look, you can start to see
some of these connections. You can start to see these correlations.
And so if you bring up a correlation, they're quick
to say, oh, correlation doesn't uh equal causation. But I mean,

(20:29):
how how much do things have to be correlated before
you start to be concerned? If people will allow themselves
just to look, uh, the correlations are very clear. I
know that in your book you you talk about the correlations.
Tell me what you're able to discover when it comes
to infant deaths and when babies were getting vaccinated.

Speaker 4 (20:54):
Well, something that has come up as we we vaccinate
now our younger ages and we did back in the days,
like we didn't start as early as two months and
are in the US and other countries from birth I
mean hepatitis be But it seems to be that there's
already been since the very beginning and again from the
eighteen hundreds, there was like a systematic denial of this
potential link, not wanting to see the potential correlation and

(21:18):
just kind of you know, passing off as coincidence or
in what we're now saying is like this bad genes.

Speaker 5 (21:23):
Which your kid's fault type thing.

Speaker 4 (21:25):
But this seems systematically throughout history, and especially with the
polio vaccine, which is quite interesting because I often confronted with, hey, well,
polio saved us from I mean polio, vaccines saved.

Speaker 5 (21:34):
Us from polio, And how can you.

Speaker 4 (21:37):
Say that vaccines are bad when they saved us from
that horrible disease polio?

Speaker 5 (21:41):
This is interesting.

Speaker 4 (21:43):
They reclassified vaccinated unvaccinated, very much like they did with COVID,
So you see this pattern of history repeating itself. And
that's why I thought a timeline actually was a good
way to show this stories because it helps you connect
the dots as well between different incidents and seeing how
the same playbook is being used. But people who were
getting polio, like with week of having the injection, were
considered unvaccinated. And there was a lot of polio after injections,

(22:05):
and this was already acknowledged since the nineteen forties of
provocation poliomylite as they called it, and up until like
one in thirty thousand kids, it was some formulations and
they did already investigate and understand it was aluminum that
was causing some problems, but it didn't seem to be
the only factor. But there's been a systematic, at least
in the public eye, a systematic dismissal of these potential

(22:30):
correlations and putting it down to other factors and trying
to blame the actual victims, like you know, it's bad genes,
or you know your mother was mothering you or something
like that.

Speaker 5 (22:38):
I mean, many of.

Speaker 4 (22:39):
The early sids or even just injuries after vaccines were
often blamed on the mother, especially autism as we all
know in the beginning it was you know, this refrigerator,
mother of theory, et cetera. So they will try to
find any other story to kind of put the blame on,
except like looking at the actual vaccines and think, Okay,
maybe we shouldn't be injecting this into the system without

(23:01):
really understanding what it does. Because our mind people the aluminum,
we still don't quite completely understand the biological mechanisms what it.

Speaker 5 (23:07):
Does in the body.

Speaker 4 (23:09):
We know that it works at least to induce an
immune reaction and inflammation, but how it does it? I mean,
up until like ten years ago, they still really had
no idea. Why are you still starting to elucidate that recently?

Speaker 1 (23:24):
And so, I mean we're focused on obviously the worst
case scenario death, particularly when it comes to the epidemic
of SIDS, and trying to find every other reason it
could possibly happen other than vaccines. But what are in
your research were you able to find a connection with

(23:45):
other problems or side effects maybe briefly mentioned ad HG.
I was thinking of like allergies, you know, all of
a sudden you have to be so careful about you know,
for I have two little ones, and if I send
them to be watched somewhere.

Speaker 2 (24:00):
I always have to ask, you know, is.

Speaker 1 (24:03):
It okay if I send my child with a snack
that has peanut butter in it, because it's like that
that's the thing that mean used to be a thing,
you know, but now you have to be careful about
that kind of stuff.

Speaker 4 (24:14):
Well, it's funny allergies against injected proteins that weren't you know,
which were foreign to the body. It has been acknowledged
again since the early twentieth century, and it was even
an ICD code ICD nine nine nine, which was serum
serum sickness, so they knew that it was a specific
disease attributed to being injected with the foreign proteins and
could often trigger allergies. Now, we didn't have penut allergies

(24:36):
back in the days, because I think that might have
been a result of the peanut based adjuvants that we
were using in vaccines in the sixties. Don't use them
so much anymore, but still so. So again it was
acknowledged and we had an ICD code to represent it,
which has been wiped from being wiped from the code now,
just as we had post vaccination encephalitis which was an
ICD code E nine four one, postanization, jaundice, and hepatitis.

(25:01):
These were all recognized conditions following vaccines and have been
you know, massaged out of the current administrative processes, I
would say with regards to coding, which is now used
for billing primarily, But these problems have been again acknowledged
and seen and reported about since the early twentieth century. Now,
when I was doing the research, I didn't come up

(25:23):
against specific information about ADHD or asthma, et cetera. But
what kept coming back and back and back was neurological diseases.
And I would argue that neurological diseases obviously from the
less serious neurological disease could be anxiety, could be ADHD
to the extreme of.

Speaker 5 (25:40):
Having encephalitis and potential death.

Speaker 4 (25:43):
But there's a big, big, big, big I would say,
spectrum between that of different types of neurological problems that
we don't even really recognize as being connected to vaccines
because they might occur much later on because of the
accumulative effect and also maybe a co factor with other
tox that you're exposed through through your food or air.
But these problems have been acknowledged for a long time,

(26:06):
and what pisces me off is again it's being buried,
it's not being talked about, and we're just kind of
sweeping under the carpet and all these conditions, we're just
normalizing them, like trying to normalize autism, like it's just
you know, neurodiversity, which again, these people should be supported,
but we shouldn't be normalizing conditions which are obvious neurological disorders.

Speaker 1 (26:26):
I would say, and I want to repeat this because
you know we kind of glossed over it before, but
you know, we're constantly gas lit with oh, you know,
any connection between sids and vaccines has been debunked or
there's no evidence, but you have and can lay out
in your book, you have government documents that would suggest

(26:48):
otherwise they might not say there is, but it doesn't
it explicitly say that it can't be ruled out.

Speaker 4 (26:56):
There are some government documents that just quite clearly admit that, yeah,
vaccine can kill kids sometimes. And even there was one
document I found that said often, which was concerning, but
they were in that case they were speaking specifically of
the DTP shot, which was known to be incredibly reactagenic,
and that's why we don't use that version anymore here
in the western nations. We still use it in developing nations, unfortunately,

(27:19):
but no government documents they admitted that they were this,
even in I found a document in the Swiss archives
from nineteen forty six were they admitted post vaccination encephalitis
causing death occurred one in thirty three thousand cases. And
we were talking about children because they were the ones
who were targeted for the smallpox vaccine campaign, which was
briefly obligatory in Switzerland between forty four and forty eight.

(27:40):
I believe it was so they had to compensate those
cases of injury. But they've been they've been acknowledged. It's
just it's now hidden and buried in the archives. Hopefully
nobody will look at it and let's just treat it,
try to rewrite history. But they haven't acknowledged it for
a long, long long time. And not in one in
a million, because one in a million is always that
number they come out, which is exceedingly rare. It's not

(28:02):
exceedingly rare. And when you look at the package inserts
of the manufacturers, their definition of rare could be up
to one in one thousand, which for me is not rare.

Speaker 1 (28:11):
No, no, it's not especially not considered rare when it
happens to you or someone you know their baby dies
after vaccination. That doesn't feel rare to you. When it
gets personal. Well, I'm already out of time, but shas
you have your book. One thing we didn't get to

(28:32):
is the connection of the Rockefellers. I mean, so that's fascinating,
just a little teaser there. If you want to find
out how this can even go back to the Rockefellers,
then that's another reason to get the book.

Speaker 2 (28:43):
Where's the best place to pick it up?

Speaker 4 (28:46):
So you can purchase it from any major retailers, so Amazon, Barnes,
and Nobles. I also highly recommend supporting your local bookstore
and getting ordered in if you can. So those are
the main places you can find it. And then obviously
the vaccine The Ultimate Vaccine Timeline dot com is the
website that I've put up where you can also get
direct access to the Amazon purchase locations and some sample
chapters so you can see a bit how it's presented,

(29:08):
on what the book look looks like.

Speaker 1 (29:10):
Sorry, well, this is such an important topic and how
I began this thing was you know, sometimes if all
we can do is educate ourselves so that we're able
to educate others and spread the word, then we have
to dive in. We have to be committed to that
because we can't wait for someone else to do something
about it, because chances are humans will let you down.

(29:31):
But we can do our part to try and say
it live. So thank you for this information. Thank you
for making it possible for us to have a resource
to educate others.

Speaker 4 (29:39):
Thank you, Christy, Thank you so much for giving me
a platform to speak about it.

Speaker 1 (29:43):
Of course, thank you so much. Well up next we
are continuing the conversation. We are joined by doctor Peter McCullough.
I spoke with him about how we got here and
why we're not able to question the science, which obviously
isn't scientif pick at all. But doctor McCullough is also
very passionate on this topic, so don't miss that.

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Speaker 6 (31:25):
Thank you.

Speaker 1 (31:27):
Yes, parents, they are clearly more hesitant now to follow
that vaccine schedule as the alarmists on the network news
are pointing out, and now you have a new book
that can actually be a great resource in making these
very important decisions. You know, it's so scary anytime you

(31:48):
make a decision about your children.

Speaker 2 (31:50):
You want to do what's best for them.

Speaker 1 (31:51):
And so I don't like vilifying people that choose to
follow the vaccine schedule because there is so much fear
used in doing so.

Speaker 2 (32:00):
But tell me.

Speaker 1 (32:01):
How about this book and how it can relate to
helping parents make these decisions, because clearly hesitancy is coming
into play.

Speaker 7 (32:10):
This book is really a historical accounting of what's happened
over the development of vaccines, you know, starting back from
the early eighteenth century, and you're right, fear has been
a big part of it, fear of infectious diseases, and
rightly so. You know, three hundred years ago, when we
didn't have antibiotics, we didn't understand what was even causing

(32:32):
these illnesses. Much different today, though, very different, And the
common theme though through this whole field of vaccinology is fear.
A lot of hubris, that is, you know, a lot
of bravado by the vaccinators, those who claim that they
can improve upon mankind, God's creation, a lot of money

(32:55):
and power from the very beginning, and boy did we
see that come to full light during COVID nineteen.

Speaker 1 (33:03):
Yes we did, I mean, and it was something that
couldn't be ignored. Now we're seeing that they're really trying
to use this measles narrative like, oh, there's there was
an outbreak and it's directly related to the fact that
there is now vaccine hesitancy and disinformation out there. What
do you say about this, suppose this alleged rise in measles,

(33:27):
and how they're using this to change the story.

Speaker 7 (33:31):
You know, every year in the United States there are
several hundred, even up to several thousand cases of measles.

Speaker 6 (33:37):
But to give you an idea, we're at about.

Speaker 7 (33:39):
Twelve hundred cases in the United States and they occur
and those who took the vaccine and those who didn't.
But you know, worldwide, some years we hit six hundred thousand,
six hundred thousand, so twelve hundred the United States.

Speaker 6 (33:54):
Is essentially nothing.

Speaker 7 (33:56):
Now, there shouldn't be any measles deaths if they're really
treated with protocols, including including amminoglobulin for contacts, vitamin A,
secondary antabotics steroids for the numinitis and encephalitis. So sadly,
the quote measles desks we've seen so far in the
United States is because of inadequate treatment, not because of measles.

(34:19):
And the CDC is disingenuous. They report that ninety five
percent are unvaccinated or vaccine status unknown. And let me
tell you that second part of that is is not right.
The CDC knows the vaccine status and if they don't,
they should because they're interviewing every case. And so the

(34:39):
bottom line is the CDC really doesn't want to tell
us how many people took the measles shots and still
get measles anyway.

Speaker 1 (34:48):
Interesting, So yeah, it makes it very evident on how
they're gas lighting in that narrative as well. The thing
I really like about this new book is you're taking
it all the way back to basically how vaccines started.
I learned something new I didn't know. Vaka is from

(35:08):
the Latin word as I understand it, of cow. And
tell me about how vaccines started picking up and how
it's evolved into now you need what like almost ninety
vaccines from the time that you're an infant until you're eighteen.

Speaker 6 (35:27):
Right, so you picked up on this.

Speaker 7 (35:28):
We divide the timeline from what we call the Great
Prelude from smallpox vaccination early eighteenth century, through experimentation and
development late eighteenth.

Speaker 6 (35:39):
Or early.

Speaker 7 (35:42):
Nineteenth and twentieth centuries, and then the modern vaccine era
vaccination era, you know, nineteen forty seven and forward, and finally,
this is really distressing two thousand and four forward, we
call it.

Speaker 6 (35:54):
The bioweapons era.

Speaker 7 (35:57):
We're now the biggest interest in vaccines has to do
with biological warfare. What we've seen is this hubris, this
idea that infectious disease threats never change, and that all
we can do is just add more vaccines on. So
in our book we actually highlight doctor Poling. He was

(36:18):
a neurologist at Johns Hopkins. And this is astonishing in the.

Speaker 6 (36:27):
In the.

Speaker 7 (36:29):
Vignette that happened to his child, and you know, I
can tell you that he was in the vaccine injury
compensation program himself. He's a neurologist at Johns Hopkins, and
that's in chapter nineteen. Intrigued in the US Court of
Vaccine Claims. And the scenario that happened to his daughter

(36:54):
is something that will be familiar sadly to many of
your followers. A nineteen year old girl was born after
a normal for a nineteen month old girl was born
after a normal full term delivery, no family history of
autism or.

Speaker 6 (37:08):
Effective of normal muscular hearing disorders.

Speaker 7 (37:10):
Her development was progressing well with normal receptive and expressive
language and use of pre linguistic linguistic gestures. Is actually
from doctor Polling in a case report. And several of
her shots were delayed because she had ear infections, so
she had to catch up, and within forty eight hours

(37:32):
she took within forty eight hours of the immunizations and
they were the following dip theory of tetanus, pertussis, amaphos
if wanza, b measles, moms and rubella.

Speaker 6 (37:42):
Polio, and vericella.

Speaker 7 (37:44):
She develops a fever, gets very very sick, and within
a few days or weeks develops autism. Doctor Polling publishes
this as a case report, and he's in the Vaccine
Injury Compensation omnibus. You know what happened is our federal
government actually separated him out, compensated him, took him out

(38:06):
as a test case, and they rejected all the other
cases as not being associated with vaccination. So the great
concern Christy is not only the COVID shot. Parents are
afraid of large numbers of vaccines given in combination. Then
the child getting very sick in the elevation of a fever.
And in a paper by Nielsen and colleagues from Sweden, when

(38:28):
a feberal seizure occurs, there's sick enough to get have
a fever and then a seizure in the child, there's
a forty percent chance they convert to a serious neuropsychiatric
condition like autism.

Speaker 1 (38:43):
Wow, I mean, one of the things that things that
is just so basically troubling and wild to me. With
me having a seven month old baby right now, I
feel like I'm in the algorithm.

Speaker 2 (38:54):
I'm getting all.

Speaker 1 (38:55):
The infant type stuff. It's just so wild to me
that when you're pregnant you're told don't eat lunch meat,
don't eat sushi, don't even have a drop of alcohol.
And when that baby comes, make sure that when you
introduce food, you do it a week apart for each food,
you know. I mean, there's like so many things like

(39:19):
hysteria when it comes to food. But it's just like, oh,
your child is behind on vaccines here, take a bunch
of at ones to catch up.

Speaker 2 (39:29):
It just it defies logic.

Speaker 1 (39:31):
And it's just so maddening that doctors are going along
with this.

Speaker 5 (39:37):
I just found this.

Speaker 7 (39:40):
Christ of religion. It's like a madness among doctors, pediatricians,
and public health agencies. You're right, they're so cautious about food,
so cautious about the things. But vaccination even during pregnancy,
and listen, that's pretty new. Well, my wife had my kids,
there were no vaccines given to pregnant women. The infectious

(40:00):
disease threats haven't changed.

Speaker 6 (40:02):
Now.

Speaker 7 (40:02):
A pregnant woman today is faced with the diphtheria, tetanus,
a clar potessis inactivated flu and now respiratory and social
virus and the COVID nineteen vaccine. So you know, this
is in my view, it's reckless because during pregnancy, if
a fever is provoked by the vaccines, and it can

(40:25):
easily happen, then the women can lose their babies in
the first trimester or miscarriage middle that would be a
stillbirth or premature delivery near the end. All of those
are disasters and they're provoked by vaccination.

Speaker 2 (40:41):
It's so sad. It's so so sad.

Speaker 1 (40:44):
Meanwhile, you know, we're hearing that parents are questioning, they
are more cautious, hesitant about the vaccine schedule. So we
are getting the word out despite the censorship that we
experienced for the last years.

Speaker 2 (41:01):
But right away, coming on.

Speaker 1 (41:04):
The heels of these reports, you see, the American Academy
of Pediatrics is now now calling for an end to
basically any other any exemption. They say, oh, well, we'll
still take medical exemptions, but you know, non medical should
be very rare. Or well, no, they don't want any

(41:25):
non medical vaccines and they even the medical ones they
say should be very rare. And they're also using this
measles narrative to to call for this. So are you
concerned that they will be able to bully their way
into disallowing exemptions for school?

Speaker 7 (41:44):
Well, Christy, what why don't you tell me what type
of heat you could potentially face? I mean, are you
having your child go through all the routine vaccines myself?

Speaker 2 (41:54):
Yeah, oh, I have zero vaccines for my kids.

Speaker 3 (41:58):
But but I have a doctor mccallaugh.

Speaker 1 (42:02):
I have a child who just turned eighteen and then,
like I said, a.

Speaker 2 (42:06):
Seven month old baby.

Speaker 1 (42:07):
So my eighteen year old did get some vaccines, but
even then, way back then, I didn't like how they.

Speaker 2 (42:14):
Were like back to back.

Speaker 1 (42:16):
So even those I was on a like one and
the delayed like veryou spaced apart. And then by the
time I got to my youngest too, it was like, no,
I'm not playing these experiments at all anymore, you know.
So it kind of waned as I had more children
and I got more educated.

Speaker 6 (42:33):
So you're a good example.

Speaker 7 (42:34):
So you have some completely unvaccinated children, yes, and how.

Speaker 2 (42:39):
Are they amazing?

Speaker 1 (42:42):
And honestly, doctor Mcalla, that's what makes me even more
sad because as I see them reach their milestones and smiles,
I feel for the parents that like are going along
just like me, and then they go to an appointment,
and I just it puts me in that empathetic of
like I cannot imagine like just having all excitement of
seeing these milestones and then like overnight see something change.

Speaker 2 (43:05):
That's just such a terrifying and so sad feeling.

Speaker 6 (43:09):
It's true.

Speaker 7 (43:10):
And you know, right now we can consider a combination
vaccination at least a risk factor for the neuropsychiatric disorders
that's attention deficit hyperactivity, disorder, which is in right now
eleven percent of children, autism, which is in three point
two percent of children. Allergic diseases like asthma, topic dermatitis,

(43:30):
food allergies, ticks, seizure disorders. It's not looking good. And
recent important GEMA indicated only forty percent of parents plan
to do the full schedule, and the principles are here.
Fewer vaccines are safer obviously, there can be fewer side effects,
and if they're given later in life, beyond the period

(43:53):
of critical imminologic and neurologic development, they're a lot safer
and certainly not given all together. And so forty percent
of parents say they're going to do the full schedule,
but sixty percent of parents say they're not. Now the
American Canopediatrics went hyperbolic on this and said, we're going
to try to shut down exemptions. Now in Texas, we

(44:15):
have philosophical, medical, and religious exemptions. I think that's what
all states should have. In fact, Association of American Physician
and Surgeons passed resolution in twenty twenty saying there should
be no school requirements to begin with. We shouldn't have
the requirements to begin with, to even have to fool
with exemptions.

Speaker 2 (44:34):
Yeah, I mean in here in Texas.

Speaker 1 (44:36):
I mean, and that's why I wish more parents were
educated that just find out what your state requires.

Speaker 2 (44:41):
Because for.

Speaker 1 (44:44):
Texas, you know, I have to send something out and
then they send me the forms back. Then I need
to go and make sure I don't fill them out
until I'm in front of a notary and then turn
those things in. I believe there's new legislation that passed
that they're going to make this even easier. But then
I'm like going about my normal thing, like I'm actually
ready to take them in as the school year is starting,

(45:05):
and I'm seeing, uh that that they want to do
away with these exemptions altogether, and so that's terrifying.

Speaker 6 (45:13):
Well, you know, people, it's.

Speaker 2 (45:15):
Not going to change what I do. I mean, I'm
just business school.

Speaker 7 (45:18):
But it becomes very uncomfortable in Texas. You know, we
we have what we perceive to be, you know, a
lot of medical freedom, but you know we're having to
pass laws. You can download the form as opposed to
getting it. You can see how how twisted this is.
The vaccine lobby is very powerful and they are lobbying

(45:40):
every step of the way. So so no child can
get exemptions. Now New York and California, Connecticut, and I
believe West Virginia. This is terrible where essentially there's.

Speaker 6 (45:53):
Just no way of getting out of this.

Speaker 7 (45:55):
In California they limit each doctor they can only give
five exemptions and when they do they review their licenses.
That it's at the point where California they're effectively forced
into vaccination. No surprise. California has the highest rate of autism.
They're the rate of autism is five point two percent.

Speaker 6 (46:14):
And listen to this.

Speaker 7 (46:16):
Of those kids with autism, twenty seven percent have profound autism.

Speaker 6 (46:22):
That's an IQ less.

Speaker 7 (46:23):
Than fifty five non verbal, can't speak, headbanging, unable to
use the toilet or shower on assistant. They're essentially invalids
for life. We now in California are over one percent
of children like this.

Speaker 2 (46:37):
So sad.

Speaker 1 (46:38):
And you know, we are learning more and more about
how vaccine on these schedules is incentivized.

Speaker 2 (46:46):
It all goes back to follow the money.

Speaker 1 (46:47):
You know, this same group, the American Academy of Pediatrics,
claim that doctors don't profit. This is all for the good.
You know, when we vaccinate, they claim they don't profit.
From this, but you know there are reports elsewhere, like
Revolver did this report that shows receipts showing that insurance

(47:09):
kickbacks they do pay these doctors to make sure all
of their pediature, all of their patients are vaccinated. I
know I've experienced this myself. When I moved to California,
I couldn't have a doctor because no one would take
my children because they weren't all vaccinated. So I mean,
what can you tell me about the incentives for vaccinations

(47:30):
when it comes to money.

Speaker 7 (47:32):
You know, vaccines are, like I say, very different than
other drugs. If people are below certain income levels or
don't have insurance, the government steps in and actually covers vaccines.
So there's all kinds of procurement, distribution, reimbursement to make
sure doctors offices are in a sense ready.

Speaker 6 (47:54):
To go with vaccines.

Speaker 7 (47:55):
There are school administration programs as well that again government supported,
and you know they have reporting to apartments of community health.
So vaccines are essentially to the consumer free of charge.

Speaker 6 (48:10):
And behind all.

Speaker 7 (48:11):
These schemes are many, many motivational tools to make sure
doctors quote fully vaccinate their panel of patients.

Speaker 6 (48:20):
We saw this acutely with COVID nineteen.

Speaker 7 (48:23):
Everything behind vaccines is centered around money and juicing the system.
It's nearly one hundred billion dollars a year revenue basically
windfall to the companies providing vaccines because you know, the
money's always there for them. They don't have to compete
in the marketplace.

Speaker 1 (48:45):
Now, we've we talked about how there's so much correlation
between vaccines and autism and other side effects that can
happen when you're piling these vaccines on. Obviously, the worst
case scenario is death. And you know, our shared colleague
A Doubt is talking about five thousand vaccine linked deaths

(49:07):
a week is his claim when it comes to particularly
this COVID vaccine.

Speaker 2 (49:14):
And you know, we talk about politics.

Speaker 1 (49:18):
We talk about like, oh, well, people be arrested for
Russia Gate and that and that. Why will people be
arrested for the problems we have with elections?

Speaker 7 (49:26):
But not?

Speaker 2 (49:27):
But I mean a.

Speaker 1 (49:28):
Lot of us are like, hey, I just want to
see people arrested for pushing deadly.

Speaker 2 (49:32):
Vaccines on people. Is enough being done with this Maha movement?

Speaker 1 (49:38):
And you know, I did just see that they there's
been efforts to remove the I don't know if I
can say that right, thermosol, the mercury based preservative, is
enough being done to try and keep people safe.

Speaker 7 (49:52):
Well, I like how you set that up. So the
priority ought to be loss of human life. So let's
say loss of American lives. That's more important than the
Epstein files or you know, Russia Gate, or the Mueller
report or the Durham report or the Steele dossier. Loss
of American lives ought to be the biggest thing up

(50:14):
there in the media. So let's take the routine childhood
vaccine schedule.

Speaker 6 (50:18):
You know, Neil Miller.

Speaker 7 (50:20):
Published important paper a few years ago. The vast majority
of infant sudden deaths and previously healthy babies under the
age of one, it occurs within a few days of
taking a big battery of vaccines. So just sudden infant
desk syndrome alone, there ought to be an all hands
on deck investigation of is it related to giving a

(50:41):
big battery of vaccines? Looks like it is now the
COVID nineteen vaccine story, and I just review this for
this piece. According to the us CDC Vaccine Adverse Event
Reporting System through June twenty seven, twenty twenty five, Christie,
we're at nineteen four hundred thirty nine COVID vaccine deaths.

Speaker 6 (51:02):
Now, these are deaths reported by.

Speaker 7 (51:04):
Doctors and healthcare professionals who believe the vaccine is a
cause of death. And I've reported these, I've reviewed hundreds
of manuscripts from this database, and yes, the deaths are
due to the COVID nineteen vaccine. So the very system
is causation by proxy of reporting. Now, an accepted underreporting
factor according to the FDA, is thirty.

Speaker 6 (51:26):
That would lead us.

Speaker 7 (51:26):
To five hundred and eighty three thousand, one hundred and
seventy Americans who have died of the COVID nineteen vaccine,
a biopharmaceutical catastrophe. Most deaths occurred in twenty twenty one,
but still to this day, since boosters are on the market,
unfortunately some people still take them. We still have several
hundred deaths today. Now enter in the new administration, so

(51:48):
we have Trump and Robert F. Kennedy and Marty Macri. Well, listen,
this has now occurred on their watch over the course
of six months. So you can imagine the predicament they're in.
If tomorrow they said, oh, we're going to pull them
off the market. They're not safe. The first thing people

(52:08):
are going to ask is why do you wait so long?

Speaker 1 (52:11):
M Yeah, it's quite the predicament. But I mean, ultimately,
like you said, this should be the highest priority. Ultimately
politics aside. People are dying and people are getting injured,
and it's that that should be the number one thing
that we're seeing and done. You know, isn't enough to
talk about removing mercury based preservatives. Is it enough to

(52:34):
talk about not requiring the mRNA vaccine or not recommending it.
I mean, even that was kind of a pr flop.
They came out, they said they were not going to
require it, and then it was just like, what like
a week later, it was being recommended.

Speaker 2 (52:54):
It just kind of makes your head.

Speaker 7 (52:55):
Spin, right, Remember that the ASP panel just recommends they
don't require anything, and they said, well, you know, healthy
pregnant women, healthy children, were not going to recommend it.
But then they put this long list of things, but
if a pregnant woman is you know, not very fit,
she should take it, and they kind of, you know,
have all these additional layers of you know, still recommending it.

(53:18):
They concluded that a third of Americans should be taking boosters.
This was Macriam Persad in the New Engle Derald Medicine.

Speaker 6 (53:27):
They published this and at.

Speaker 7 (53:29):
That time, fewer than fifteen percent of people were even
taking shots. So these these two guys are completely out
of touch. Actually, Persad has kind of stepped down now,
he's only only there ninety days. You know, you know,
this Mahab movement should focus on saving human life. They're
getting distracted on food dyes or fluoride or you know,

(53:55):
post mental puzzle hormones. It's as if the public health
Mahab government officials want to talk about everything except COVID
nineteen vaccine injuries, disabilities and deaths. Now having said that,
you know, thiomerisol, which is a mercury contaminant in vaccines.
It was removed from largely from the childhood vaccines. It

(54:15):
was still in adult flu shots, so there was only
four percent of them left. They got them on the market.
But again, the big problem is people who have injured, disabled,
or died of the COVID vaccine. We need a massive
research program. We need things to do right now to
help people. People are still dying of subclinical mild parachroditis.

(54:36):
So public health official vaccines are in Northern Europe just
died in his fifties. We just had a cardiologist at
Baylor and Dallas die at the end of this year.
My age, you know, no explanation. We're seeing this over
and over and Ed Dawes reporting working age people on
the roles of you know, of death and disability insurance.

(54:58):
The spouses are cashing in because people are still dying
of the COVID shots.

Speaker 1 (55:03):
Now we talk about the money incentative incentives money talks.
We do have Representative Thomas Massey pushing a bill that
would let people sue farm it because that's another big
reason when we got in this mess. As soon as
they knew they didn't have to face liability, well suddenly,
let's add seven more vaccines to the recommended list of

(55:25):
vaccines you should get.

Speaker 2 (55:26):
So obviously a big correlation there.

Speaker 1 (55:29):
Do you have any hope that we will get to
a point where we can turn around that around and
make these companies liable.

Speaker 6 (55:35):
I think two things to happen.

Speaker 7 (55:36):
One would be rescinding the nineteen eighty six Vaccine Injury
Compensation Act, of which they really don't pay out in
compensation anyway, make a vaccine companies responsible. And then of course,
removing the prep Act, which is shielding five of Maderna
and Jansen Novavax right now. And you know what will
happen is very similar to the tobacco settlement. You'll see

(55:57):
some giant you know, issus because you know Fizer Maderna
are one hundred billion to the positive. They're going to
have to pay that back to all the families who
have been injured or sadly have.

Speaker 6 (56:09):
Their loved ones die. They're going to lose in court.
They know it.

Speaker 7 (56:12):
I think if those two things happened, the companies would
immediately pull their products off the market. You wouldn't see
a diph theoria, tetanus or protesters. You know, in my
adult career, I've never tested anybody for a diph theoria
or protesters.

Speaker 6 (56:26):
Their legacy diseases. We treat with a z.

Speaker 7 (56:28):
Peck, you know, tetanus, We clean out wounds and give antabotics.
You know, none of these things are compelling from you know,
a clinical indication or medical necessity perspective.

Speaker 1 (56:40):
Now bring it back to your book that's actually titled
Vaccines Mythology, Ideology and Reality. When I read about the book,
it says that it's actually not a call to discard vaccines.
So you're very, very strong in your stance here in
this interview, but you say that the book itself is
not necessarily called to discard vaccines. It's just to call

(57:02):
into question this halo that they have, this like, oh,
you know, we can't even ask questions about It's just science.

Speaker 2 (57:10):
It's settled science. So tell me about that. You know,
why do you say It's not not a call, it's
a discover So.

Speaker 7 (57:17):
You're asking about the reality. So you know, the vaccines
certainly served a purpose when we had no answers. So
you know, we're having half a million measles cases per
year and there were several thousand measles deaths, and there's
no doubt about it. Measles vaccination did drop measles cases,
there's no doubt about it. But they're not perfect and

(57:39):
we still have outbreaks. Another example is the chicken pox vaccine.
When I was a kid, I had chicken pox. Everybody
I knew at chicken pox. Nowadays I don't hear about
any kids having chicken pox. So they did serve a purpose. However,
there's always a consequence with a chicken pox vaccine. Now
we have increased rates of shingles in adults because they

(58:00):
took the chicken pox vaccine. There's multiple studies show that.
So the point is there's always a trade off. So
the reality is vaccines can serve a purpose, but I
think a future is going to be a very specific purpose.
So let me give it an example. A child born
with cystic fibrosis, severe pulmonary condition, they should probably should
get the respiratory vaccines for the protection they can provide.

(58:24):
A child born without a spleen or had the spleen
taken out due to Hodgkins treatment or car accident, they
should get a specific set of vaccines against several encapsulated bacteria.
So I think the future is going to be yes
for vaccines, but very limited and specific indication is not
one size fits all.

Speaker 1 (58:44):
Doctor mcclell I, thank you so much for your passion
and your education on this and willingness to look at
it again, because I know you haven't always felt this way,
but I just have so much respect for you for
really digging in and having so much integrity in the
face of so much persecution.

Speaker 2 (59:00):
Thank you so much.

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