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August 12, 2025 54 mins
'Spirits with Spirits' Kings Head Pub - Interview with Matthew Komus - July 30, 2025 Part 1 Episode 214

We've were invited Back!!!!! 'Spirits with Spirits' series at the infamous King's Head Pub located at 120 King St., Winnipeg, MB. 

Joined by Ashley & Kelly from The Winnipeg Paranormal Group, we had an amazing crowd 70+ Beautiful Spooky & Creepy Cool people come out and join us! HUGE SHOUT OUT AND THANK YOU TO THE KING'S HEAD PUB!!! and our official Sponsor - DEAD HORSE CIDER (delicious!)

In the first Part of the evening, we were joined by a Special Guest Matthew Komus, local author of such books as 'Haunted Winnipeg' and 'Haunted Manitoba'. He also has been running his Ghost Walk tours in the Exchange District for the last 15 years! 

We picked his brain on some of the stories he has heard and experienced himself as a former tour guide at the infamously haunted Seven Oaks House!. In which The Winnipeg Paranormal Group will have a Public Investigation at August 15 and in September - check out their website for upcoming Public Paranormal Investigations coming up - as they sell out fast! 

If you are in the Winnipeg area - make sure you come out for the next 'Spirits with Spirits' as The King's Head Pub has invited us back! I guess we behaved pretty well then! lol. Next event is August 27th, 2025 - 7 to 9 PM. .

Giving Up The Ghost Podcast, was also invited to come out as Special Guests of Fort La Reine Museum in Portage La Prairie for their August 30th event - 'S'mores & Ghost Stories' around the campfire......did you know.....Fort La Reine is VERY HAUNTED??? come check it out, August 30th! 

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Speaker 1 (00:40):
Hey, it's Jazz and this is Giving Up the Ghost Podcast.
Thank you so much for coming back and listening to
our collection of episodes. We've covered everything from Aida z
I'm talking from ghosts to specters, black eyed children. Like
we covered all man I tell you so, we primarily
concentrate on Winnipeg and Manitoba ghost stories. If you're not

(01:03):
familiar with us, thank you for checking us out for
the first time. And if you've returned, you know our shtick.
You know what we do. We you know who we are.
We know everything about nothing and nothing about everything. Me
and my pod partners share levered bits. Hopefully we'll get
together soon, you know, with winter and stuff and things
get a little more quieter, we can sit down and
have a couple of wobbly pops and talk about some
scary shit, right, you know what I'm saying. In any event,

(01:26):
lately most of the episodes have been our Spirits with Spirits.
It's sort of like the Gem and our paranormal Crown.
And thank you to our beautiful co hosts Ashley and
Kelly from the Winnipeg Paranormal Group. Bringing their wealth of
knowledge and experience to these nights is something no one
can compare to love them to bits and we appreciate
all they do for us.

Speaker 2 (01:46):
So we did.

Speaker 1 (01:49):
Jil July thirtieth, we had Matthew Cumas and then of
course we had the open night mic part of the night,
and today's episode is our interview with Matthew Cumus is
the local Winnipig author of Haunted Winnipeg and Haunted Manitoba.
He is also the proprietor of the ghost Walking the
Exchange for the last fifteen years. Check out his website,

(02:10):
Book a Tour, buy a book anyway. So that's tonight's
interview and next week will be the open mic portion.
And again, you know, thank you to everybody who comes
up to the mic and tells us their own personal story,
because you know, we're just here to all share information
and try and understand this thing we call ghosts, right,
so you know, we've all had our own experiences to

(02:32):
some extent and just trying to figure things out. And
thank you for all the brave soles have come up
to the mic to share their experiences. We're truly grateful
for that. Our next event will be August twenty seventh
at the King Said Pub one twenty King Street from
nine or sur from seven to nine pm, and the

(02:53):
guest is yet to be determined for August twenty seventh,
but we also will have the open mic portion from
eight to nine pm, so this is your opportunity to
come down and share your stories with us. So that
is the Spirits of Spirits portion. Exciting news giving up
the Ghost Podcast will be special guests at the Ghosts
and or Schmores and Ghosts at Fort Lorraine Museum in

(03:15):
Port SHAPERI thank you to Cindy for inviting us out.
It's going to be a lot of cool things happening
at that event. We're going to surround the campfire old
school and we're going to talk about spirits and all
that cool spookiness stuff. And also the place is really
really haunted if you didn't know, like highly active, and
in saying that, we're going to go for a little
tour beforehand.

Speaker 2 (03:35):
There's even going to be.

Speaker 1 (03:36):
A Tarot reader on site, so you know that's uber cool.
And did you count how many times I said cool
in this intro? Anyway, got to run. Thank you so
much for listening today's episode, and as always, please reach
out to us with any ghost stories if you just
want to say hi, reach out, you know, share stories
with us. Certainly do at giving up the Ghost podcast

(03:59):
at gmail dot com. And as always, remember to live
every day like it is your last. But never give
up the Ghost chaut for now.

Speaker 3 (04:11):
Oh yeah, no, no, Hi, everybody, we're gonna get started
right away. It's already five after seven, so still feel free.

Speaker 4 (04:20):
To grab your trains, gets yours like quick courage. We
do have a white outboard on the front here at
the stage. If you aren't comfortable throwing up your hand
in case you don't see you, feel free to write
your name on the board and we'll call you up.

Speaker 1 (04:35):
It is Hello, everybody. We're gonna continue. We're gonna starts.

Speaker 5 (04:43):
That one is Hello podcast.

Speaker 1 (04:47):
Hello, Hello, Hello, it's work. So we're gonna get going
here because it's already about ten after seven while we
wait for other people to get their beverages and their
liquid courage, just start the evening here again, Thank you
for everybody who came out, really truly from the bottom
of our house heart, thank you so much for coming

(05:08):
out to our events. Spirits with Spirits, beautiful place, beautiful,
haunted venue. The King said, pup, Thank you to the King.
Said for having us back our third time, three times
a lucky charm. My name is Jazz. Sorry, my name's Jazz.
I'm with giving up the Ghost Podcast, Winnipeg's first and
only paranormal podcast. If you've been here before, you're gonna

(05:30):
hear it again.

Speaker 2 (05:31):
We've been doing this six and a half years. Me
and my partners share.

Speaker 1 (05:34):
We're downloaded in forty three countries, two hundred and eleven episodes.
We do just specifically Winnipeg and Manitoba ghost Stories because man,
you know, Manitoba Winnipeger haunted af right. So with saying that,
Oh and actually here's a new thing of my spiel,
my shtick that I can mention. We're quite often on

(05:56):
feedspot dot COM's top ten best Canadian paranormal po podcast
and the email me this last week and said we
are the best Canadian paranormal podcast.

Speaker 6 (06:08):
Thank you, thank you.

Speaker 1 (06:10):
So my partner is a little bit of an introvert,
so she doesn't come out to these events and that's
why I have these lovely ladies.

Speaker 3 (06:18):
Hi everybody, I'm Ashley from Winnipeg Paranormal Group.

Speaker 5 (06:22):
And I'm Kelly from Winnipeg Paranormal Group. Thank you, so
much for coming out.

Speaker 3 (06:26):
We love seeing all the new faces and all the regulars.
Thank you, thank you so so much, and thank you
to our bar staff tonight.

Speaker 2 (06:33):
Hopefully you guys keep them busy.

Speaker 1 (06:36):
Right And this Ashley said before, because the first hour
we're going to have our special guest speaking. Second hour,
this is your turn. This is where you get to
entertain us or you know, scare the shit out of
us or whatever you want to say. That will be
the open mic portion. And you know what, it's a

(06:57):
very inviting environs.

Speaker 7 (07:00):
We do not judge.

Speaker 1 (07:02):
You come up if you want to tell your story.
You know, there's no good story, no bad story, but
we're here for you. So it's a very cathartic event.
We have supplied a whiteboard this round so that way
we can have a little bit more. It was like
a little chaotic class time. The lights were on is
so bright we couldn't see people putting.

Speaker 7 (07:20):
Up their hands.

Speaker 1 (07:21):
So hopefully we're that's gonna take care of that. And
everybody gets a turn to come up, and I apologize
and I feel bad for the couple that didn't actually get.

Speaker 7 (07:27):
That opportunity to come up.

Speaker 1 (07:28):
However, we have the whiteboard, we invite you to come
up and put your name after you've had a few
woggy pops. And you know, however, however, you have a
go at it.

Speaker 7 (07:38):
Thank you?

Speaker 8 (07:40):
Right?

Speaker 1 (07:40):
Oh do you want to me choos?

Speaker 8 (07:42):
Thank you?

Speaker 9 (07:42):
Go for it.

Speaker 3 (07:43):
So as many of you, if you saw our posts
saw Matthew Thomas is our special guest tonight.

Speaker 5 (07:49):
He is the author Haunted Manitoba and how did winn ahead?
He does exchange into your box.

Speaker 3 (07:56):
He's really awesome person and you're really are happy to
have you, so thank.

Speaker 2 (08:00):
You so so much.

Speaker 7 (08:01):
Oh, thank you, thank you for having me.

Speaker 10 (08:08):
Question.

Speaker 2 (08:09):
Okay, so I'll start because I'm pretty happy. I don't
want to go back yet. So thank you for coming out.

Speaker 11 (08:16):
And mostly you know you carry quite a bit of
all the information with respects to mount locations in around
the city, especially Exchange district. Right, you thought you're walking
for how long have you've been doing the walking forward?

Speaker 7 (08:30):
Uh?

Speaker 12 (08:31):
So the walking gear has been running over fifteen years now.
So it's the oldest uh walking tour uh for paranormal
in the city.

Speaker 2 (08:39):
And you is it just like run Halloween fun or
is it all year around?

Speaker 7 (08:42):
Or uh?

Speaker 12 (08:43):
We tend to focus on the fall, especially Halloween time,
but sometimes people can do special bookings other times, but
September Octobers are busy time for sure.

Speaker 2 (08:52):
My special booking. So you get like a little war crowd.

Speaker 12 (08:56):
Ten ten people are willing to pay for ten people
either either.

Speaker 7 (09:02):
There's no free here.

Speaker 11 (09:04):
So with refex to your I'm gonna go way back, way.

Speaker 2 (09:09):
Back, I'm up an astroge, or I'm gonna.

Speaker 11 (09:10):
Hold your I'm just to say way back. What sparked
your interest in the peril and ghost system.

Speaker 7 (09:18):
I think, like most people, I was interested in it
when I was a kid.

Speaker 12 (09:21):
I remember reading a lot of you know, ghost stories,
so not gonssary local stories, and always having this interest.
But doing this profession was completely by accident. I was
working as a tour guy. I've been a tour guide.
You don't infest the age, but over twenty years, it
gives you some idea how long I've been doing this?

(09:41):
And the number one question I would get on history
tours was not what was this building for?

Speaker 7 (09:48):
Who built it? You know, how old is it?

Speaker 12 (09:50):
No, the number one question was does it have a ghost?
And you get that question one hundreds, maybe thousands of
times on tours. So I realized there was an interest,
and it started after I'd worked with the Art Gallery
on a modernist architecture tour, which was not popular.

Speaker 7 (10:06):
We had twelve people take the tour over an entire
summer and realize, you know, to try something different. The
ghost tour.

Speaker 12 (10:15):
It was freezing cold, it was pouring rain our very
first night, and there were twenty people waiting in the rain.

Speaker 2 (10:22):
It just tells you a lot.

Speaker 5 (10:23):
Really, So have you ever experienced any of these stories?

Speaker 13 (10:28):
Oh that was my question?

Speaker 7 (10:29):
Oh okay, you stole the question.

Speaker 12 (10:32):
Yes, so there is one not in Exchange, but at
the oldest house in Winnipeg, seven Oaks House. And I
used to work there as a guy, just over twenty
years ago, and we would hear strange things. You'd hear,
you know, footsteps and the old buildings they creak, they
make noise. But then like one day, we heard something smashing,

(10:53):
like shattering to the floor, which is the worst sound
to hear if you're in a museum, Like won't you
won't work long in muss if that's happening. Yes, both
seemed to fit and we didn't find anything. But I
would say the strangest one I was with my coworker
who absolutely does not believe in ghosts, and we're sitting

(11:15):
inside and we could hear someone walking. I don't know
if anyone's been to the house before, but it's got
one of those big, long front porches, and we heard
someone walking along the porch. And we'd put down some
ant poison on the yards. We were concerned if they
went onto the yard, if they had a dog with
them or something. So I went out the door immediately
to tell them about the poison, and the porch was empty.
Now my coworker followed by two seconds later, and he's like, oh,

(11:38):
where's the person. I'm like, yeah, I thought I heard
someone walking here. And he's like, oh, no, someone walked here.
He's like, I'm one hundred percent sure someone was walking
on the porch. I'm like, well, no one's here now.
So he goes one direction.

Speaker 7 (11:49):
I go with the other.

Speaker 12 (11:50):
We circle the house, we're checking behind bushes, we're going everywhere.
There is nobody on the property. We're absolutely sure no
one was on the property. Both of us swear that
we hear these footsteps. He's still not sure if he
brings leaves in ghosts, but I'm still in contact with him,
like twenty years later, he still vividly remembers this this incident.

(12:10):
So ken'savnessay scenic ghost, but definitely have heard some strange things.

Speaker 14 (12:16):
In this corwa he doesn't he doesn't, No, he's he's
I don't know.

Speaker 7 (12:26):
Maybe he believes in ghosts now, but he doesn't have
an explanation.

Speaker 2 (12:31):
So your co work doesn't believe in ghosts.

Speaker 7 (12:35):
But to you, I'm open. I've encountered some strange things.

Speaker 12 (12:39):
The role I take is very much a storyteller, someone
who clucks stories from haunted buildings. I've never really been
interested in the paranormal investigation, but because of my work,
I've been on a few investigations and worked with a
few people. But I definitely there's some things that we
just haven't been able to explain for sure.

Speaker 2 (13:00):
I think this is where I love I forgot last
who I'm not going to go with vis.

Speaker 9 (13:11):
Do we have any skeptics in here or just like
my wife direct me here? So now maybe this is
gonna be the statue books.

Speaker 2 (13:29):
So that was a lot of work, right, gathering your stories, and.

Speaker 12 (13:34):
You know, yeah, it took a long time. The foundation
sort of came from the tour and I was fortunate.
Someone I knew was working as an editor at a
publisher and they were hoping to do something on the paranormal.
So she's like, oh, I know someone. So they're like,
why don't you write a few chapters?

Speaker 7 (13:52):
You know?

Speaker 12 (13:52):
See, So I put that together. They gave couple suggestions
and then they offered to do the book. So a
lot of going through archives, newspaper archives, have spent a
great deal of time. And the first book, which really
it's not it's been out ten years now, I was
still going through the micro fiche. Now it's it's all
all online, but part of me sometimes misses like really

(14:16):
digging into those those old files. I love interviewing people.
That's my favorite way to get stories, but it is
the hardest way to find people. And when you do
find people, to find someone willing to be interviewed is
extra difficult. And I try to explore as many of
the buildings as I can. There's a couple locations in

(14:37):
Haunted Manitoba I've not been to, but I really try
to physically get to the site and and scout it.
So it does it does take a lot of time, sure,
for sure.

Speaker 7 (14:47):
Not that you have to pick children.

Speaker 2 (14:50):
You know. But of the two books, like is there
why you are shooting?

Speaker 12 (14:59):
Well, I would say probably maybe Haunted Winnipeg, just because
it is my first. It also sells slightly better than
the other. But they're both and I think they're both
kind of kind of different, and like the Winnipeg buildings
is very familiar with the Manitoba ones. I had to
spend a lot more time even just finding the buildings,

(15:19):
and there's parts of the province that are not well
represented because I couldn't get any stories. And occasionally I've
had the opportunity to work as a guide in Churchill,
not not doing ghost tours, and I was really hoping
to get a Churchill ghost story and I tried four
or five people up there and no luck. So I
don't know if there are no ghosts in Churchill or

(15:41):
just no one's sharing it.

Speaker 11 (15:42):
But yeah, no, I know from from a part past perspective,
because we want Manitoba stores.

Speaker 15 (15:47):
And we've got quite a few from like for a
program and all Rock City and all these places are
kind but you know, I know as well when people say,
like you know.

Speaker 2 (16:02):
From the Hampson area, it's very long to such a
little highways. You stag stories.

Speaker 11 (16:09):
And I'm a slain phenomenon stuff and so yeah, like
I mean it's so old up there, like there their
stories is it's just you know, fine.

Speaker 2 (16:19):
Right, the person that's comfortable insurance Ryeah.

Speaker 3 (16:23):
There's still so much, like so much of a stigma
with these stories. Like that's part of why we're doing
events like this last night is to try and let
people know that this is okay.

Speaker 5 (16:33):
It's okay to talk about the static.

Speaker 7 (16:36):
Oh for sure.

Speaker 12 (16:37):
And I even tell people when I'm looking for interviews,
I'm not interested whether you even believe in it or not.
I'm just sort of looking, is there a ghost story?
Because the ghost story itself can be part of your
your town's history, your town's background. And the one that
I say surprised me the most was Lower for Gary
because usually government buildings are we're not haunted click like that.

Speaker 7 (16:59):
That's the into that.

Speaker 12 (17:02):
Outside of Catholic churches, that one is an absolute, absolute
no go. So but Laura for Gary literally sent me
like a folder about in I'm exactly an inch thick,
but it felt like an inch thick of haunted and
paranormal things that they've recorded, they've dealt.

Speaker 7 (17:21):
With, and some stuff.

Speaker 12 (17:22):
So yeah, they don't necessarily believe or Saint Boniface Museum
was another example. He since retired with their former director
Phil was great. He doesn't believe in ghosts, but he
realizes the power behind ghost stories and the history that
ghost stories connect to. So who is very very happy
to share all the ghost stories that they had heard
and collected.

Speaker 11 (17:42):
Like even when the podcast, the reason why we started
the podcast was never.

Speaker 2 (17:48):
Found stories of all one of the big mantal.

Speaker 11 (17:50):
They're just so vash, right, like everything just kind of
goes and dashes.

Speaker 2 (17:54):
You know, you don't hear all those stories anymoreld Hon
Hose down the street from you, you know, like the
hand of hand stories.

Speaker 7 (18:00):
I'm not talking.

Speaker 11 (18:01):
Necessarily about you know, the well other size like for
a Grey Hotel or seven oas.

Speaker 3 (18:06):
I mean, those are great.

Speaker 11 (18:07):
Stories and break places as well, But I mean like
there's something that really creepy ship up there that I
want to know and I want to be able to
perpetuate and and and.

Speaker 2 (18:16):
Make sure that it's thereah for the next generation or two.
I mean, you know, when I grabbed on this recom
that place on that place is not good, you know,
but just like you go to the bar and or
or restaurant. Is like you get a buy and you
asked me, just have you ever seen any weird stuff
happen here? You know, you gotta ask questions.

Speaker 11 (18:35):
I mean we're all curious being so, I mean, it's
nice to be able to share it, you know, and
and and and know it, and.

Speaker 2 (18:41):
I may not be afraid of it by any means.
And they're all go gramping in.

Speaker 11 (18:46):
Any questions from home.

Speaker 7 (18:49):
You already asked some of the questions.

Speaker 5 (18:51):
I want to ask the obvious questions that they ask
us all the time.

Speaker 2 (18:56):
Now, I I travel as much as I can.

Speaker 8 (19:01):
Is that something that you do when you're traveling that
do you request to or do.

Speaker 3 (19:08):
You travel across Canada or the US or anywhere and
try and find some of these places.

Speaker 12 (19:14):
I haven't done a lotesy to travel the research. I
do enjoy travel, and I always try to find there's
almost always the local ghost ghost tour tours, so I
do try to seek seekt out. Vancouver's had some interesting
in Victoria was another one I've heard a lot.

Speaker 7 (19:33):
I've never been there yet.

Speaker 12 (19:34):
I'm hoping to get to Scotland and Edinburgh apparently has
some of the best best ghost tours in the world,
so that's definitely on my bucket list to get to.

Speaker 2 (19:44):
Would you see home it's interesting?

Speaker 12 (19:48):
Yes, yeah, that I guess that's the question I get
asked fairly often with ghosts and when you when you
deal with ghost stories. When I I explore a lot
of these bills, sometimes very large empty buildings, often on
my own, there are many things I am afraid of.
I joke to someone, I really don't like flying, but

(20:11):
going through a haunted building does not bother me. It's
it's it sounds silly, but it's it's the job, I
guess to some extent, we get asked that all.

Speaker 13 (20:18):
The time too, like well, you know on our investigations,
people like, well, doesn't this scary, And it's like, no,
it actually like it interests me, it frowsy, and you know,
like I run towards these stories. I want to know.

Speaker 5 (20:32):
It's definitely an adrenaline adrenaline rush for me.

Speaker 2 (20:36):
Why I hope that give me to feel you know, let.

Speaker 12 (20:45):
Very much the same way. I've taken trains for forty
hours to avoid them flying, but I will gladly go
to a graveyard at midnight that that does not bother me.

Speaker 11 (20:58):
Which would launch sure, in some stories from the Exchange,
the STIs and see we think the Kings our first
ninety four. But since you're well familiar, would you like
to share stories the books here?

Speaker 7 (21:13):
Yeah, for sure.

Speaker 12 (21:14):
One would be Pantagious Theater, which sounds like it might
be getting reopened. Unfortunately it's been closed for about five
six years now. It's an old vaudeville theater for those
not familiar, And I don't just by actually showing how
many people have been to the Pantagious before, Okay, so
quite a number, and it was a very busy theater

(21:36):
until unfortunately till it closed. So they think they have
three different ghosts haunting the one building, to which they
think they may know who they are, and the third
ghost is far more, far more mysterious.

Speaker 7 (21:48):
And if this goes too long, just let me know it.

Speaker 12 (21:51):
So the first ghost, which apparently has not seen very often,
is a woman in an old style dress. That is
the only spirit I've been told in the Exchange that
you can see from outside of a building. She walks
past the windows. So if you were, I don't know
if the bus stop is still there because they've moved
all the bus stops. See if you people were not
still still there. Okay, so if you are on market

(22:12):
waiting for the bus at night and you see someone
looking out the window, that that may be the ghost,
especially since the building is not in use right now.
They said, she's they see here next to the photocopier
and apparently that has nothing to do with the ghost.
But that's just where the tend to finder was by
a photocopier. So a little more frequent is a ghost

(22:41):
in the auditorium itself. He is sometimes seen or sometimes
they just think he's responsible for unexplained things. For example,
he'll be in the balcony. One staff member said they
were cleaning up after show they saw him sitting in
the balcony. They thought it was really strange, you know,
why is he still here? So it called out to
him saying that they were closed, and said he appeared

(23:02):
to get up, almost start to run, and as he ran,
he just vanished from sight. Other times people say they've
heard him clapping, laughing. They'll smell like a strong cigar
smell coming from the space. Of course you're not, you know,
allowed to smoke in the building, and they think he
pulls pranks. One person was cleaning up on stage and
she would see the curtain was waving, like flapping back

(23:23):
and forth, and she approached approach the curtain, couldn't figure
out is this a draft to win?

Speaker 8 (23:28):
Like?

Speaker 7 (23:28):
What is going on here?

Speaker 12 (23:30):
As she got within about a foot of the curtain,
it basically just wrapped itself around her. That startled her,
but she said she just kind of laughed and it
went back into place. And apparently he staff at the
Pantageous said, if you ignore it or if you laugh
it off, it stops. If you scream or freak out,
it continues or it intensifies. So that was kind of

(23:52):
their their advice. Basically, you're handling their experience.

Speaker 7 (23:58):
You could do that too.

Speaker 12 (24:00):
So they think these ghosts could be the owner of
the theater. And this is where I love digging into
the history because Pantagious Theater he owned a whole chain
of theaters. But he liked to audition performers in Winnipeg.
See basically, sit up there, watch the acts. If they
were great, you might get to tour his whole circuit.
If he didn't like you, or the crowd didn't like you,
you were fired and stranded. In Winnipeg, so he was

(24:23):
pretty sort of harsh, so they think it's possibly.

Speaker 7 (24:26):
His spirit there.

Speaker 12 (24:27):
The woman is less known, but my theory on this
is he had met a woman called Klondike Kate, a
very actually well known figuring Canadian history if anyone's familiar
with the Yukon. Klondike Kate made a effectively made a
lot of money during the gold rush.

Speaker 7 (24:43):
Pantagious was up there working for her. Decided not to.

Speaker 12 (24:48):
Risk his, you know, life finding gold, got a job
in her dance hall, and they fall in love. They're
going to start a new life together. They're going to
open their very own theater. Kate lends Pantagious all the
money she made. He goes down, opens the very first
Pantagious theater and marries another woman. Wow, so people were

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not happy with or Kate was not understandably not happy
with him. Yes, when she basically follows him for the
rest of his life, she sues him, she testifies against
him when he was involved in a criminal trial many
like years and years later, and some people think it's
her ghost because what is now offices used to be
the private apartment for the theater theater owner and actually

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someone on a tour once her grandparents. This is many
years after Pantagious. Her grandparents managed the theater in the
fifties and it was still an apartment and she loved
her grandparents but said it was a very strange place
to go for like a sleepover at the Pantagious Theaters.

Speaker 3 (25:51):
So I got to say, Kate, you go girl, Yeah,
totally watching right now, and she knows that.

Speaker 2 (26:00):
I just see this with mymar you know, like the
whole drama.

Speaker 7 (26:05):
Because he was from.

Speaker 12 (26:06):
South I think he traveled through their initially is from Greece,
but he there's different versions whether he's somewhere between nine
to twelve years old when he was kind of on
his own, but he was along California a lot too.
And then the third spirit is the one that scares
the staff the most, and they don't seem to have

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really know the identity at all. Odd question, but has
anyone ever been in the basement of the Pantagious Theater.
Why I ask is it's used by dance groups. A
lot would rent it out, so sometimes people in dance
have been in the basement.

Speaker 7 (26:45):
It's creepy.

Speaker 12 (26:47):
It has not changed very much. The dressing rooms are
in place. There's a trap door that magicians used to use.
There's tunnels, there's a crawl space. Came across a giant
rat there once. It's not a ghost rat creepy part
of the risks of the job. And staff have been

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down there, usually cleaning up the dressing rooms, and said
they've seen.

Speaker 7 (27:13):
A young girl walking the hallways.

Speaker 12 (27:16):
One person thought it could be a staff member's kid,
until they at least that they clearly realized.

Speaker 7 (27:20):
It was not. It was a spirit.

Speaker 12 (27:22):
But this girl was terrifying them enough they actually brought
in a psychic who talked about some sort of tragic
accident or fire. Now there's no record of something like
that happened in the theater, but the theater was built
in nineteen fourteen, and Winnipeg had already especially downtown Winnipeg,
would add buildings for a good thirty forty years before that.
So some people think she's probably connected to a house

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or store or something that was on the site previous
to the theater. But they really don't know who she is.
Except the two ghosts upstairs don't seem to scare staff
as much, but the girl really terrifies people, and that's
where I would say a strange encounter. I'm not sure
this was a ghost experience. I was giving a tour
of the building, completely unconnected to paranormal. It dealt with

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with architecture in theater history, and it was in the evening,
so it was dark outside. The group had left and
I realized I'd forgotten to turn the lights off in
the basement. Now, the problem in the basement is it's
a very long hallway and for whatever reason, the stairs
are at one end and the light switches at the
opposite end. Why why Now, I just mentioned how I

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don't tend to get, you know, freaked out by this,
but in this particular case, you know, you're walking down
the hallway, you turn off the lights, so there's the
fire exit sign.

Speaker 7 (28:41):
And this is before I didn't have a smartphone, I
didn't have a flashlight.

Speaker 12 (28:45):
So you're walking through the dark hallway, don't see anything
but a get on stage and in the middle of
the stage was a hat, like an old style kind
of a fedora hat. Now I'm positive there was no
hat on the stage because we had been on the
stage with the group. We had taken some photos on
the stage. There's no sets, no costumes, no props, just

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one hat dead center on the stage, right where we'd
taken this photo. And nobody had hats in the group.
No one was posing with any sort of props or costumes.
And I'm thinking, where did.

Speaker 7 (29:15):
This hat come from?

Speaker 12 (29:16):
Like, I'm sure it wasn't here like five minutes ago
when I walked across the stage. It's now sitting center stage,
super obvious, and I'm trying to figure this out, and
I just decide it's late. I'm in the theater completely
by myself. I don't really need to know, and I went, yeah,

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And so I know everybody knows.

Speaker 2 (29:42):
In this spurs here.

Speaker 12 (29:45):
Would you want to go back?

Speaker 7 (29:46):
Would sure?

Speaker 12 (29:47):
I mean the Burden Cummings I feel as one of
the sort of classic ghost stories. But what I love
with my research is trying to tie it to the
actual history and events. And when I first set out
to do tour or even the book, a lot of
people would tell me this place is haunted because twenty
people were chopped up by an axe murder there. It

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would be amazing how often you'd get the axe murderers story.
And then you do a little research and you're like, oh,
this is really odd. That no newspaper thought to cover
this sort of crime. So what I really like with
the Burdon Cummings or we used to be called the
Walker Theater, is it's meant to be haunted by a
famous performing couple Mabel Hackney and Lawrence Irving names unless

(30:30):
maybe if you're really into ghosts, who might have heard
of But they would have been like a list celebrities
one hundred plus years ago. Nowadays, no one really knows
who they were. They did a big North American tour.
They were from England perform their final performance on the
Winnipeg stage. Very eager to get home to England, so
they take a train out of Winnipeg to Quebec. And

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Quebec they board the Empress of Ireland, a large passenger
ship much like the Titanic. It starts heading out, a
very heavy fog comes in. In the fog and Norwegian
freighter does not see them pers and crashes right into
the side. There is no time really to escape. It's
not like the Titanic where they didn't have enough lifeboats.
They just ran out of time and over a thousand

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people perish. It's a disaster that very few people know
about in fact, more passengers die on it than on
the Titanic, and Lauren Serving and Mabel they were celebrities.

Speaker 7 (31:25):
People saw them.

Speaker 12 (31:26):
The stories are he was telling his wife, don't worry, dear,
We'll be all right. We're gonna get out of this. Tragically,
that's not what happened. His body was found floating in
the water. Her body was never found. And they say
they repeat that performance on stage at the Walker. Sometimes
people say they're just stand on the stage, not doing anything.
Other people have talked about seeing them almost dancing or

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moving around the stage.

Speaker 7 (31:49):
Very commonly.

Speaker 12 (31:50):
They seem to go through sort of the brick wall.
But they've been spotted many many times on that stage,
and in fact, if you go there for show or
con look in the lobby, it's still there. It's been
up for over a hundred years. There is a plaque
in their memory on the wall. So to me, it's
it's sort of almost like a movie ghost story. Is

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that when I really like, I know actually.

Speaker 3 (32:12):
Somebody who works there and say there is so much
activity that it was on that staff actually refused to
work by.

Speaker 5 (32:20):
Themselves because of it. Yeah, it it's a really amazing.

Speaker 2 (32:26):
Feel like, oh really, I won't comment.

Speaker 3 (32:34):
I was there were few the.

Speaker 11 (32:35):
People who were there, her Jesse Cook and you were
exiting and people were moming around.

Speaker 2 (32:40):
And you know how you have a main door and
you have that side door, right, So me and.

Speaker 5 (32:44):
The one friend we were, we kind of got ahead of.

Speaker 2 (32:48):
The other two and there was you know, like it
was kind of weird.

Speaker 11 (32:52):
It's it's hoped as the theater is. Especially when it's
time to leave and everything. You know, people are like
going for all the exit and stuff. It was just
me and my friend and and we're walking and again
we're waiting, kind of walking slow for the other two.
And then I felt a hand when somebody got.

Speaker 2 (33:08):
Into the law like like kind of like kind of
like you know, like okay, come with me, come with us.
And I thought it was the two friends.

Speaker 11 (33:15):
I don't know nobody there, so I guess, you know,
they wanted me Ella did not like me there, or
just didn't like me waiting.

Speaker 2 (33:24):
I don't know. But yeah, it's just oh, and with
respects to uh the to the parish. And I believe
because they were so well received here, they promise with pairs,
right they said we'll be back.

Speaker 12 (33:39):
Yeah, well yeah, exactly. They they wanted to, and then
the theories. Yeah, started putting that final performance on, you know,
over and over. And you are right, that building has
many many stories, a lot coming from security guards, from staff.

Speaker 7 (33:53):
Theater staff often do work.

Speaker 12 (33:55):
Yeah late, as you say, when the show ends, they're
still there cleaning up and finishing up.

Speaker 5 (33:59):
So they don't like the big so whatsoever. Yeah, at
backstage apparently those are the two areas.

Speaker 2 (34:09):
And I didn't like the theater, but yeah, I didn't.

Speaker 5 (34:13):
Mind the basement.

Speaker 10 (34:14):
Does anyone remember the Haunted House thing that you're about,
maybe ten years back where they did visiting, so remember that.

Speaker 2 (34:20):
I always went through and the actors or whatever, and
they had a lot of well all there was in
the base.

Speaker 7 (34:26):
I didn't mind it.

Speaker 13 (34:28):
I was kind of hoping something would have happened, maybe
since you were with so many people.

Speaker 2 (34:32):
Oh yeah, there's too much warm you Oh, for sure,
too much goma. But I think it it's so old.
It's like you're still like a.

Speaker 7 (34:39):
Mon for four.

Speaker 12 (34:41):
Yeah, I think it's nineteen oh four, nineteen oh five,
cause it was actually built not to be a vaudeville theater,
which Winnipeg had many, but to introduce Winnipiggers like the Beallet,
the Opera of the Symphony. Uh so it's it's on
its own. It's kind of fascinating, fascinating history.

Speaker 2 (34:58):
And are there any other stories one think.

Speaker 7 (35:01):
For sure, I'm trying to think of it.

Speaker 12 (35:04):
I was trying to think of there's one in Exchange
that's not in the book, but I feel like most
most really really are. Now I still like try to
collect stories at someone. I this is what I'm kind
of working on right now with the Lindsay building. I
don't know if anyone's familiar with. I see a few
people nodding. I end up talking to caretaker there who
said that he was he was seeing like seeing things,

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hearing like almost like orbs or things floating, and also
hearing a lot of sounds. So that's when I'm really
hoping because it's you know, it's kind of right on
the board of exchange. So I'm hoping to try to
do a little more research for that.

Speaker 7 (35:39):
And it's interesting to some buildings.

Speaker 12 (35:41):
We have so many stories and other people will ask
me about a particular building, like an old building, and
I'll be like, never heard a single story about that location.
There is likely another book in the works.

Speaker 7 (35:55):
This one.

Speaker 12 (35:55):
Actually, there is another book in the works, but it's
slightly different. I do hope to do it another one
with more Winnipeg, Manitoba. When I wrote the book, I
was not writing it for any particular audience, and what
I found, or what my publisher found, is the books
are very popular amongst young adults, so my publisher would
actually need to do the next book targeted at young adults.

Speaker 7 (36:19):
So it's going to be all across Canada. There's going
to be much like my current books.

Speaker 12 (36:24):
It's going to have the historic location with a bit
of the history and the ghost stories, so one story
for each province and territory, and it's kind of tying
it together. There's going to be a bit of a narrative,
which my previous books haven't had. So it's I just
I got to finish it now. Yeah, this is the

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biggest I've told a few people, but this is by
far the biggest, biggest crowd that's heard about the next book.

Speaker 2 (36:50):
So that's awesome. I want to question for you, though,
what is your favorite ghost story? When you're just.

Speaker 7 (37:00):
Oh, that is a good question. I'm not sure if
I have a favorite story.

Speaker 12 (37:06):
I think my favorite place probably does go back to
Seven Oaks, just because I worked there. At my own
experiences there, at least twelve people have died in the house,
which sounds really high, but it's the oldest house in Winnipeg.
There were no hospitals, there was you know, it's just
sort of the reality of a over one hundred and
fifty I guess about one hundred and seventy year old

(37:28):
home and just so many little things. So many stories
have happened, happened there. Someone died at the dining room table,
so it seems to give a good who's said to
haunt the dining room and then finding like the proof
of this all happening was quite interesting. So that would
be my favorite favorite location. I'd have to think about stories.

Speaker 2 (37:49):
Is there somewhere that you still want to go?

Speaker 5 (37:53):
And like, do you have a list of places that
you still like?

Speaker 1 (37:56):
Ashley and I are always compiling a list of place
want to go.

Speaker 7 (38:03):
Yeah, I'm oh, why not? I'll mention this one. I've
heard stories. I have a friend.

Speaker 12 (38:10):
Well I won't say names here, but Saint Charles' School's
a very old school on the edge of the city.
Because it is a Catholic school, they don't want to
do the ghosts, but they'll have caretakers that refuse to
go to sections in the school, refuse to go upstairs.
People quit because the things that have happened when they

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were working as cleaners and caretakers.

Speaker 7 (38:34):
And it's a very old school.

Speaker 12 (38:35):
And I happen to know someone who had worked there
previously and they had like an abandoned swimming pool that
comes to a whole abandoned section, which was kind of fascinating.
So but yeah, there's been a few places that have
often politely when I've asked us, ask not to be
and I really do try to respect that for toos
and books, if they don't want to want it to

(38:56):
be public, I get that.

Speaker 5 (38:58):
We do too.

Speaker 8 (38:59):
But I do have like relatives who work in different
Catholic schools here, so they told me stories.

Speaker 3 (39:05):
All the time about things that happen, and they have
to have people come in and keep blessing the place
because there's so much well, they're.

Speaker 7 (39:14):
The oldest schools, really, they are some of the oldest buildings.

Speaker 11 (39:19):
Yes, it's all mark up on the stock Exchange, you know,
there's always so much public stories.

Speaker 5 (39:24):
Around Catholic schools.

Speaker 2 (39:26):
Definitely be seeing Sevenoaks.

Speaker 3 (39:29):
Speaking of Seven Oats, we actually have some investigations coming
up at Seven Outs, so we're going to be there
on August sixteenth. That event is sold out, but we
also have one.

Speaker 5 (39:40):
Coming up on September twelfth, so I believe it is. Yes,
I get my calendar, put so many events on my mind. Yea,
we're going to be heading back to Seven Outes house
er we have.

Speaker 3 (39:53):
We haven't been there in a couple of years, and
we're really excited to have been invited back.

Speaker 5 (39:58):
That's one of our favorite houses is I've had so many.

Speaker 3 (40:01):
Experiences there, you know, I highly recommend everybody here like
go check it out, whether it's all our investigations, you know,
or one of their events.

Speaker 2 (40:11):
Or just one of your tours.

Speaker 5 (40:12):
One of your tours, I know you do one around.

Speaker 12 (40:15):
How Yeah, we're we're setting the dates actually this week,
so it'll probably be a little bit later September, and
it's it's quite different. We don't do the paranormal investigation part,
but we do storytelling in the house and in the
surrounding neighborhood.

Speaker 5 (40:29):
So I love that last especially for you before we
open it up for Q and A.

Speaker 3 (40:34):
How do people get hold of you if they want
to sign up with these events, great question.

Speaker 12 (40:39):
Winnipeg Ghost Walk is my website. That's usually the best
way you can message me on Facebook. But I got
to be completely honest, I'm really slow sometimes I responding okay,
But Winnipeg Ghostwalk and you can also from that site
send send an email to Yeah to reach out. That's

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probably the Winnipeg Yeah, Winnipick Ghost Walk awesome.

Speaker 16 (41:07):
So remember Winni ghost Come check out Matthe's yours. So
do we have any questions for Matthew, don't shut Feel
free to.

Speaker 5 (41:17):
Come on up so we can all hear yours.

Speaker 7 (41:21):
You use to see if get places, if.

Speaker 6 (41:25):
You had any decens or more.

Speaker 12 (41:30):
I don't tend to go that route. I'm more collector
of the stories. I have sometimes been with paranormal investigators,
but I myself don't tend to do sort of devices.
If if people are sharing stories, I kind of take
them at at their word. There's been a couple of

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times there was one building in a sense actually burned
down which maybe fits, which was raped by uh just
off of behind Carlton again down town, and there was
all these stories.

Speaker 7 (42:02):
But even CBC told me about it.

Speaker 12 (42:04):
But when we dug a little deeper, it felt like
it was someone's creative writing project, that is the Demon Hose,
and it kind of hit a very hard dead end
with like yeah so I feel and dead end with
like no no pun intended it. It just didn't seem
to be to be haunted. And now that it burned
to the ground, which seems fitting I guess for demon Hose.

(42:25):
I have not heard any stories from from that spot,
so so I kind of just try to see how
much is there type of thing, well maybe maybe.

Speaker 2 (42:35):
Answer the question what we used scenario.

Speaker 3 (42:38):
We use a whole bunch of different tools. We use
metaphysical so like your pendulums, ogiboards, dousing rocks, and as well,
we use a whole bunch of different scientific.

Speaker 5 (42:54):
So well not really scientific, but I hate it when
they called scientific. Would really would.

Speaker 8 (43:00):
It's like if you watch any of those ghost shows,
like we have a lot of those, a lot of equipment,
and they're coming out with equipment constantly.

Speaker 3 (43:12):
Simple and most you don't need the best and the
highest priced equipment to do ghost hunting.

Speaker 2 (43:18):
We find for the most part, if you have a.

Speaker 5 (43:21):
Phone, you're good to start. You know, you've got your camera,
you've got a recorder, and there are some okay apps
out there to use. There's not a lot that we
recommend for app wise.

Speaker 7 (43:35):
But there are a few.

Speaker 6 (43:38):
But yeah, and then yourself like you, yourself are an
amazing tool for investigations. It's really fortunate to pay attention
to how you feel with different emotions or temperature changes
or anything.

Speaker 2 (43:50):
Like that going through your body or sacrific you know,
ghost space.

Speaker 7 (44:01):
Anybody else.

Speaker 17 (44:02):
I have questions about their stories behind that old spaghetti
factory on.

Speaker 5 (44:08):
Ellison As where it still.

Speaker 2 (44:11):
Closed down, doesn't have anything to do. I don't know
what's going on with that building.

Speaker 7 (44:15):
Oh do you mean maybe Mother Tuckers.

Speaker 12 (44:17):
Yeah, sorry, the old spaghetti factories actually right out right
outside this building where they used to be Mother Tuckers
as piles and piles of stories. Unfortunately, it has been
closed for well over a decade. The owner has done
a lot to try to restore the exterior, but they've

(44:38):
gutted the interior. So I don't know if there's still
you know, if we're still gonna hear things. But it
just hasn't been used in a long time. It was
a very common spot people said for hearing sounds, but
also objects moving about and actually seeing ghosts too is common.
An older gentleman was spotted a lot another person, so

(44:58):
they saw basically a couple go right through the dining
room and the strangest one I told us about floating eyeballs,
not an entire head, just just the eyes. So many
many stories, but it'll be interesting to see if it
gets kind of reopened, if we'll start to hear those
those stories again. Yeah, it's been up released for a

(45:27):
very long time.

Speaker 7 (45:28):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (45:31):
Yes, I used the building and part of the.

Speaker 1 (45:39):
Center as well.

Speaker 8 (45:42):
I am.

Speaker 7 (45:42):
I am not actually for that one, okay.

Speaker 17 (45:46):
I used to work there, and there's a jew in
the basement, also a very creepy basement, long hallway, flickerings
and er stuff, and there was all the no one
liked to coin down.

Speaker 5 (45:59):
I used to go down there and work out.

Speaker 2 (46:01):
And one time I went down there and then a
heavy bay cause the police used.

Speaker 5 (46:05):
Worked down I'm talking too. I think it was swinging right.

Speaker 2 (46:08):
While I went, Oh, now if you don't heavy bay,
so they will swing for a lot.

Speaker 5 (46:13):
So I just but I didn't see anybody come up
from there. But I asked around and I.

Speaker 4 (46:18):
Had apparently a lot of people that worked there.

Speaker 17 (46:20):
Said that I had seen things moving down there, and
then the story was believe that.

Speaker 5 (46:25):
I asked, the story was is that building?

Speaker 2 (46:27):
And I don't think it's so. I mean I used
to be another and then an I hung herself.

Speaker 5 (46:32):
Oh oh my classic goes to the right and sorry,
this was about work.

Speaker 2 (46:37):
Yeah, if I didn't, we'll have to talk to Kelly,
you know. Yeah, I see the nine one one call
center in the base.

Speaker 7 (46:45):
Oh, okay for the fire permit. Yeah, no, I'm not
not familiar with that one at all, my fat.

Speaker 11 (46:53):
If you're really I tried to look it up actually
to see like I Google searched it.

Speaker 2 (46:58):
That's why. Well, how but I can get any information
on what it wants.

Speaker 3 (47:03):
We have a contact at a sittle Boy Park, so
we'll reach out and see if maybe she has any
history of this.

Speaker 5 (47:09):
Very curious that you know.

Speaker 2 (47:13):
The girls investigating of a.

Speaker 5 (47:18):
Yeah, uh twice in October will be as.

Speaker 2 (47:21):
A sit of boy.

Speaker 3 (47:21):
Mark said, Okay, any other questions, yes, yes, anything if
you know about.

Speaker 12 (47:31):
Mc MTC kind of two different versions, okay. One is
the ghost of of George, which is a pretty well
known know and ghost, and George is a little controversial
because his backstory is probably not entirely true. Some EMPTC
staff swear that George is there. Other MTC staff is

(47:55):
a little more skeptical. But they've also just had strange
things that don't seem to be connecting George, for those
who may not know, is the ghost of a young boy.
He's known for being more playful and jokes and pranks
and that sort of thing. But a former house manager
talked about having a spirit stream at him on one occasion,

(48:16):
being in with students one night and having a variety
of strange things happening with electronics and lights. Their audio
system also created for their enhanced kind of hearing system
if for people who are hard at hearing, was known
in one play about ghosts kept cutting out at the
exact same moment, and this happened apparently like at least

(48:38):
a dozen times when a person talked about the death
of their daughter and how their daughter had then basically
came back as a ghost. So they've had a lot
of kind of strange, strange things there that they don't
seem to connect to George, which is a much more
sort of traditional sort of ghost story connected to the
to the building and they think their ghosts might have

(48:58):
moved with them. This brings up the three whether rest
spirit can move. They're not sure they're connected to their
current space. They think it goes back to their old location,
which was the old Baudeville Theater much closer to Portage
in Maine.

Speaker 2 (49:12):
So well, I mean, if you've.

Speaker 9 (49:14):
If there are not items, I mean if the iteand
gross you know, you discussed that it was the beast.

Speaker 11 (49:21):
Or the one trans serious like a lot of people
who have to die someplace or do home over us
at all loted items.

Speaker 7 (49:30):
That always is get.

Speaker 5 (49:33):
Which cemetery has the most ghost.

Speaker 2 (49:36):
Stories in one day?

Speaker 7 (49:39):
That's that's a good question.

Speaker 12 (49:41):
I've definitely heard some from from Saint Boniface, and being
really old Elmwood would be would be up there too.

Speaker 7 (49:49):
I have not heard like I think it's Saint James
by Polo Park.

Speaker 12 (49:52):
I have not really heard stories from that one interesting enough,
but Elmwood, Saint Boniface or I would say the two
that seem to have to have the most and sat
oh and Saint John's along near sort of Scotia Street there.
That cemetery does have a lot of stories including actually

(50:13):
I was doing a bike ghost tour there and we
in this case it would stumble across the The caretaker
who proceeded to share a couple wondered who was this
group of cyclists there at ten o'clock at night and
there's probably like thirty of us. So but then he
actually shared a couple of stories.

Speaker 7 (50:32):
About that spot. St.

Speaker 2 (50:34):
Andrew's. That's the one ever the most.

Speaker 7 (50:37):
Saint Andrews does have a lot. St.

Speaker 12 (50:39):
Andrew's is one of the places though that really does
ask people not to go to their property to investigate.

Speaker 3 (50:45):
Yeah, they even asked us, like because we did an
investigation of gruderies and they asked us to make sure
that it was like.

Speaker 2 (50:52):
When people are done in the investigation, you're leaving.

Speaker 5 (50:56):
You're not going to the church or the cemetery thing
like that.

Speaker 8 (51:00):
It was.

Speaker 2 (51:01):
It was a often was of a spirit of it
be off.

Speaker 12 (51:06):
Yeah, so that that's a la cause they they unfortunately
the legend involved people being there at midnight and they
started out vandalism to the cemetery in church.

Speaker 5 (51:14):
So well a lot of people don't realize with the
Elmly Cemetery.

Speaker 2 (51:19):
It's actually that.

Speaker 5 (51:22):
Our first serial killer, Earl Nelson, is two Winnipeg.

Speaker 2 (51:26):
Vidoms are buried in a.

Speaker 12 (51:28):
Cemetery and some people think for Vaughn Street jail, uh,
that Earl Nelson could be a spirit there.

Speaker 2 (51:36):
So okay, cool oracle as we say, what's talking of too?

Speaker 5 (51:45):
We have any more n were busts. Yes, so we're
there at the back.

Speaker 2 (51:50):
Little yeah, by the green things.

Speaker 5 (51:54):
You are your most available.

Speaker 2 (51:56):
As audio books?

Speaker 7 (51:59):
They are not.

Speaker 12 (52:00):
I've had a few people ask they're available is ebooks,
but so for not not audiobooks.

Speaker 7 (52:06):
That's something we need to look at. And I do
have with the books.

Speaker 12 (52:09):
I do have some copies for sale tonight if anyone
is interested. Also, they tend to be carried through mcdelly chapters.

Speaker 7 (52:19):
You can find them online. But I was encouraged, you know,
to try to support local and.

Speaker 12 (52:22):
It's great Great Planes Publishing or Great Planes Press. Now
I guess it's the publisher behind them, right books a couple.

Speaker 7 (52:34):
Yeah, it's good to hear.

Speaker 3 (52:36):
Yeah, all right, So we are going to take a
very short break, so field free, you know, fill up
your drinks, orders food. You have some amazing firshtise on
the side. You have Aaron here from an audities, so
feel free to come and check things out. Matthew's got
his books on the side. Feel free to come and

(52:56):
ask us some more questions and remember to sign up.

Speaker 2 (53:00):
Would be so old like ghost stories.

Speaker 11 (53:03):
And because I'm so generous, I'd just like to give
podcasting makes some money to turn that brand me two draws.

Speaker 2 (53:10):
I have a nice little price pat we have an
official sponsor for tonight. It's dead for Spider.

Speaker 7 (53:16):
Thank you, folks.

Speaker 2 (53:19):
Relations I go with some full last where so I
have one UH gift package with two of.

Speaker 10 (53:28):
Their classes and some of their striving bulletins in there,
so you can either pick it out, draw your name
for your name for a.

Speaker 2 (53:35):
Draw the UH and then UH.

Speaker 11 (53:37):
Also, I'll donate a T shirt from my table with
my lovely talented UH stars over there stelling my merch So.

Speaker 2 (53:46):
UH We'll have two draws for that.

Speaker 3 (53:48):
Can pick one or the other.

Speaker 2 (53:50):
So please fill it about it for the draw and uh.
She said that.

Speaker 3 (53:56):
She said, Aaron, I think Aaron something I need to
thank Sarker.

Speaker 5 (54:06):
You're awesome, So again, don't be a great We're.

Speaker 8 (54:11):
You know what.

Speaker 2 (54:12):
This is a great venue, a great opportunity. Please you know,
we'll sign

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Up for the for the ghost story portion we'll take
about ten fifteen number, and for most of all, thank
you to Matthew Hols
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