October 23, 2024 • 50 mins
Spirits with Spirits - A Night with Chris Rutkowski Part 2 - Episode 199
Well, there is more to the paranormal than ghosts....how do you feel about aliens? UFOs? we had the honour of having Chris Rutkowski come out to discuss with us his stunning career, resaerch and everything UFO August 29 during our monthly 'Spirits with Spirits'.
Chris answered questions from the audience and we are pleased to say that 82 of you made it out this time - love it when like minded individuals come out, very cool. Chris discussed the Falcon Lake indicent, the Ghost Lights of Woodridge and his interest in Bigfoot. As well as th 11 books he had published over the year.
This is Part 2, with Chris explains who 'We are not alone'.
Remember to come down to The Little Brown Jug next week Thursday - October 31st !!!!
This is our Spooktacular Halloween edition of 'Spirits wiht Spirits' - Talking to the Dead with local Psychic Mediumes Lynda McPherson and Amy Potten from Regenesis!!!!
Because Halloween is for ll ages, be sure to wear your costume for a chance to win przes!!!
and.......Jas has a secret.......Do you like Murder stories? well, well, have I got something for you! Since Jas and Sher love Histories and Hauntings so much...... Jas has collected 31 horrific stories of murder, mystery and mayhem over the Province of Manitoba's 150 year history.
Every day in October, Jas will share one of these gruesome and bizarre stories in her new limited series podcast - Macbre, Manitoba - please check it out!
Enjoy this week's new episode!
Music by Ruesche-Sounds https://www.youtube.com/channel/USqXO
Follow us on Facebook, Instagram, Twitter, Tiktok & Redditt
If you have a local paranormal story of Winnipeg or in Manitoba, please email us at giivinguptheghostpodcast.@gmail.com - or if you just want to say 'Hi'!!!
Well, there is more to the paranormal than ghosts....how do you feel about aliens? UFOs? we had the honour of having Chris Rutkowski come out to discuss with us his stunning career, resaerch and everything UFO August 29 during our monthly 'Spirits with Spirits'.
Chris answered questions from the audience and we are pleased to say that 82 of you made it out this time - love it when like minded individuals come out, very cool. Chris discussed the Falcon Lake indicent, the Ghost Lights of Woodridge and his interest in Bigfoot. As well as th 11 books he had published over the year.
This is Part 2, with Chris explains who 'We are not alone'.
Remember to come down to The Little Brown Jug next week Thursday - October 31st !!!!
This is our Spooktacular Halloween edition of 'Spirits wiht Spirits' - Talking to the Dead with local Psychic Mediumes Lynda McPherson and Amy Potten from Regenesis!!!!
Because Halloween is for ll ages, be sure to wear your costume for a chance to win przes!!!
and.......Jas has a secret.......Do you like Murder stories? well, well, have I got something for you! Since Jas and Sher love Histories and Hauntings so much...... Jas has collected 31 horrific stories of murder, mystery and mayhem over the Province of Manitoba's 150 year history.
Every day in October, Jas will share one of these gruesome and bizarre stories in her new limited series podcast - Macbre, Manitoba - please check it out!
Enjoy this week's new episode!
Music by Ruesche-Sounds https://www.youtube.com/channel/USqXO
Follow us on Facebook, Instagram, Twitter, Tiktok & Redditt
If you have a local paranormal story of Winnipeg or in Manitoba, please email us at giivinguptheghostpodcast.@gmail.com - or if you just want to say 'Hi'!!!
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Speaker 1 (00:39):
Please enjoy tonight's episode and remember to live every day
like it is your last, but never give up the ghost.
Hey guys, this is Jazz and you're listening to Giving
Up the Ghost Podcast. Welcome back. Sorry for the long
hiatus there, October and the fall are always a crazy, crazy,
crazy busy time. In saying that, tonight's episode is Part
(00:59):
two with Spirits with Spirits with Chris Ratowski. Next week
is our final Spirits with Spirits for the season. It
is going to be on Halloween night, October thirty first
at Little Brown jug So please join us giving Up
the Ghost Podcast and also the ladies from the Winnipeg
Paranormal Group, and we're going to be doing a special
(01:20):
edition because the veil is thinnest on Halloween, Spirits with
Spirits Talking with the Dead. We have two special guests
that are coming on the show, two local psychic mediums,
Linda McPherson as well as Amy Potten from ReGenesis. So
you may recognize them or know their names from the
(01:40):
medium fairs that go on here locally in the city
and all around the province. So we thank the ladies
for coming out. It's going to be a really spectacular
night and lots of fun. So that's going to be
next week, Thursday, October thirty. First, also, I just wanted
to give special mention and thanks so much to the
ladies from the Winnipeg Paranormal Group or the group, I
(02:01):
should say, special shout out to Kelly and Ashley for
having us tag along with the They had a public
investigation at the Aviation Museum last week's Saturday Share My
Beautiful and Gorgeous, my Bootiful pod partner was able to
make it out to that one, and we'll have that
episode out shortly because a lot of spooky stuff happened
(02:22):
that night and we got a lot of really really
creepy pictures, So stay tuned and watch for that on
the socials on Facebook and all that good stuff. But again,
like I say, Spirits with Spirits next week, please come out.
It's gonna be a lot of good fun that night
at a Little Brown Jug and it's gonna be indoors,
so that's awesome as well. Also, again, like I say,
this is part two of our interview with our special
(02:44):
night with ufologist Chris Ritkowski at Little Brown Jug back
in August. So that was a great night and I
hope you enjoyed this episode as well. Just for the
month of October, I've been issuing episodes every day on
a limited podcast on the horrendous murders and mayhem and
(03:05):
mystery and crime that's happened in the province here of
Manitoba over the last one hundred and fifty years. It
is called Macob Manitoba, so it is Winnipeg's first and
only true crime podcast, but again limited run for October.
We'll see if you guys like it, or if you do,
we'll do more, or I'll do more a little more
dedicated research. These episodes are just quickies. They're just like
(03:27):
anywhere from four to twenty minutes, so I hope you
enjoy that. Check out Macob Manitoba wherever podcasts are found.
Again limited run true crime podcast series emphasizing all the
really crazy, yucky, horrific things that have happened in Manitoba.
So anyway, again, listen to us anywhere you can find podcasts.
(03:48):
Me and Cher will be recording we're hoping at the
beginning of November, so that's gonna be awesome. Back together again.
It's been a long long time, so enjoy this episode
if you'd like to reach out and contact Please do
so at Giving Up the Ghost Podcast at gmail dot com.
We would love to hear your stories, and that's what
we're here for. So enjoy this episode and see you
(04:09):
next week at Little Brown jug for Spirits with Spirits
Talking to the Dead Halloween Night, chau for Now.
Speaker 2 (04:17):
I have another question, has another question?
Speaker 3 (04:19):
Okay, So you know that I used to reporter in Sedona, Arizona.
If anybody knows about Sedona, that's to happened for UFO sightings,
it's huge. So we would get people, you know, talking
to us about him all the time. But one of
the things that stood out for me was that the
(04:43):
people who were talking to me, they weren't like there's
a stigma about Oh these people, they must be crazy,
blah blah blah blah. But these were like business people,
people who owned businesses, you know, people who had good
standing in the community, and and a lot of them
talked about and I know I'm thinking about it about
(05:09):
something that was done to you in a video one
time regarding the lizard people, can you tell us.
Speaker 4 (05:18):
Any stories.
Speaker 3 (05:21):
People have any have you encountered people that have been
have talked about it.
Speaker 5 (05:28):
Well over the past number of you know, many years decades,
I have talked to people who said that they believe
that those people were we're here on earth.
Speaker 1 (05:39):
And we're somebody's being told right now starting to rupt
your cross check on the front street.
Speaker 6 (05:45):
If there's anybody, if that's your arrived, where will you.
Speaker 7 (05:49):
Have the lights flashing in the window.
Speaker 1 (05:51):
I'm around the corner, Thank god, is there is gone
up a car?
Speaker 2 (06:03):
The aliens are getting Okay.
Speaker 1 (06:05):
Sorry about that. Guy's just do a service announcement. Aaron's
got a question.
Speaker 2 (06:09):
I know, yeah, got a question. Thinks it's more question.
Speaker 4 (06:15):
But it's also like.
Speaker 5 (06:18):
Video Invita yeah o tall Stoy Sundown, Oh boy, that
area on uh huh, I mean I have I've heard
of that, not necessarily from Vida. But you heard anything, okay,
(06:45):
uh yeah, those of you didn't hear there, Jenna, I
had seen a UFO with rotating flash lights to your
Vita Manitoba, which is in the far southeast of the province,
cigar shaped and the helicopter and.
Speaker 2 (07:02):
Well six years ago. I haven't heard anything from six
years ago.
Speaker 5 (07:06):
But there's a really interesting case from Sundown, which is
just down the road. He can't find him, yeah, yah, yeah,
this very interesting story where a fellow was driving and
this is like five o'clock in the morning, six o'clock
in the morning before, just before the sun was going up,
and he's driving on the road, you know, the Pinees
(07:29):
Undown Road that area, and as he's driving, he sees
this disshaped object with sparkles over top of the road
and he ends up driving underneath it and it's you know,
it's classic Hollywood style flying saucer with some sparkling.
Speaker 2 (07:44):
Lights, and he says, wow, that's that's really weird.
Speaker 5 (07:48):
He didn't stop. He keeps on driving, and about a
quarter of a mile further on.
Speaker 2 (07:56):
As he.
Speaker 5 (07:58):
Crests a hill, all of a sudden he sees these
three figures in front of him, shaped like blowing bowling pins.
This is the ghost connection too, but they're white with
bulba's heads and big bodies across the road in front
of him. But because he was cresting in the hill
and he was coming down, he couldn't stop because he
(08:20):
was going too fast. So he figured, well, I guess
I can't stop, so I'll just embrace for impact, and he.
Speaker 2 (08:28):
Drove through them, didn't feel anything.
Speaker 5 (08:32):
And then looked at his rear view mirror and saw
that they were still there but deflating inside is getting
smaller and smaller and smaller. And that was a sundown
That sundown road just went too far from Vitel.
Speaker 2 (08:45):
So there were those ghosts. What was the UFO there
was seen?
Speaker 5 (08:48):
It were they? You know, I don't know, but that
just shows you that again, that connection between all these phenomena.
Speaker 6 (08:54):
Yeah, I have a phenomenon. You want to hear it?
Speaker 1 (08:57):
Sure, Actually I think I told you when we interviewed you. Well,
I believe that the big Foot people or sasquatch that
they find are actually the people that got abducted, right,
And then they're playing around with their DNA seeing what
they could do, and then it's like, oh shit, I
couldn't put them back to a human.
Speaker 6 (09:14):
It's this her free beast, like we don't want it. Okay,
we're just gonna put you back. And that's what I
think Bigfoot people are.
Speaker 1 (09:22):
It's just a messed up alien experiment, but they have
some kind of empathy that oh my god, I've fucked.
Speaker 6 (09:28):
Up again, and here you go into the wild and
only that has survived. Oh yeah, I've heard a guy.
Speaker 5 (09:44):
Yeah, the story I remember I've heard most often is
that the Sasquatch.
Speaker 2 (09:49):
Or Bigfoot are the pets of the aliens.
Speaker 6 (09:55):
I like that one. That's good.
Speaker 1 (09:57):
Maybe right now at this point, will stop for quick
break for about ten fifty minutes. Like people, we have
Aaron with Onion's oddities. She's got some beautiful merch we
would we work with her quite often. We support her
and check out her good stuff. Chris has his books
for ten bucks, and I've.
Speaker 2 (10:12):
Got my sharp.
Speaker 6 (10:13):
Beat that sweetens the pot.
Speaker 1 (10:18):
And then the Winnipeg Paranormal Group has some shwag and
giving up. The Ghost Podcast has some shwag off to
the side, and also just a quick quick survey. The
second half usually of these nights, it's open mic. Does
anybody have any stories that they want.
Speaker 6 (10:32):
To share with us?
Speaker 1 (10:33):
You don't have to, but does anybody have any ufoon
encounters or alien stories that.
Speaker 6 (10:37):
They want to share?
Speaker 2 (10:38):
UFOs of Canadians believe they have seen UFOs. So out
of a crowd like this, there's about ten of you
that have to fess.
Speaker 1 (10:45):
Up, So anyway, consider it, and if not, we'll just
continue with the format with talking with Chris his stories,
to ask questions and we'll be back in about ten minutes.
Speaker 6 (10:56):
Thank you.
Speaker 8 (11:00):
Hi, everybody you want to come back and get your seats.
Speaker 2 (11:05):
We're gonna start the.
Speaker 4 (11:06):
Second half right away. Hopefully you guys have had enough
liquid courage.
Speaker 8 (11:13):
If everybody is still interested, Chris has five books left.
Speaker 9 (11:18):
Remember ten dollars and his autograph, so you know, really
good deal tonight.
Speaker 7 (11:23):
That's a thirty dollars value.
Speaker 2 (11:24):
The books are actually free, but the autograph is too bad.
Speaker 1 (11:31):
Actually, they want a picture, boy, So Chris, Yes, now
that we have your attention, we would like to present
you with something for coming out and being our special guest.
Pass this on down, Hold up bang advertising advertising? Really god, okay,
(11:52):
we like giving presents.
Speaker 5 (11:53):
This is a giving up the those podcast official schwag bag.
Speaker 6 (11:59):
Well it's it's simpart with the Olympic Paranormal Group.
Speaker 5 (12:02):
But you know it's the Paranormal Group shirt.
Speaker 6 (12:08):
But you got to open up the shirt first.
Speaker 5 (12:10):
Something special, something special, yell investiate with an alien on it.
Speaker 6 (12:15):
There you go. You're the only one that has that.
Everybody else has two.
Speaker 2 (12:21):
In fact, very privileged.
Speaker 1 (12:23):
And I made this like two three years ago when
I first interviewed you during the pandemic, and I always said,
Chris needs the shirt.
Speaker 2 (12:29):
It says humans aren't real. Humans aren't real. There you go, well,
thank I'm very young, or thank you very much.
Speaker 1 (12:37):
Welcome, thank you for coming down and you know, speaking
with us. And so at this point, is there anybody
that either has a question for Chris or anybody has
their own story that they would like to tell you
who sightings or encounters.
Speaker 2 (12:53):
There's a young lady right here.
Speaker 1 (12:57):
Do you want to come? Oh, okay, question.
Speaker 10 (13:00):
I have a question that it's not specifically about aliens,
but it is about.
Speaker 2 (13:05):
Crop circles crop circles.
Speaker 6 (13:07):
Cause the question is when.
Speaker 10 (13:09):
There is like many many crop circles produced every year,
like for for decades, well researched by crops circled.
Speaker 4 (13:18):
Research, Chola graph experience, looked at research on by m like.
Speaker 11 (13:24):
These things are there, they exist in the kind of
thing is not come how close? We aren't paying more
attention to crop circles when a lot of the times
the alien stuff.
Speaker 4 (13:35):
Is like the unrobbed stuff.
Speaker 11 (13:37):
It's you're saying, it's a story, somebody said something, somebody.
Speaker 4 (13:41):
Saw something, they got all these crop circles, they're there
and if you look at those typically they're they're unusual,
like they have woven patterns.
Speaker 10 (13:50):
The the the croops are finished like an inte half
off the ground with the first patterns like they've been
faith been heated, microwave or something.
Speaker 4 (13:58):
It's not like they's not cracked.
Speaker 7 (14:01):
Crop circles like that.
Speaker 11 (14:02):
Nobody wants to admit like somebody like they'll like to
saying like how no one asks about like the Canadian
experience and the State's wife.
Speaker 2 (14:10):
So you didn't hear that. But the question is what
about crop circles? How come there isn't more interest in them?
Speaker 5 (14:17):
Why anybody spent more time examining them scientifically? And because
they're they're physically there, they could be looked at it.
And what about the Canadian connections? And first of all,
they're in the book.
Speaker 2 (14:32):
There have been a lot of Canadian crop circles.
Speaker 5 (14:34):
As a matter of fact, I have to say, I'm
it's my fault.
Speaker 2 (14:41):
Crop circles and are in Canada are my fault? Well,
the recently are is.
Speaker 5 (14:48):
Back in when they first started being seen in England,
everybody said that's where they started from. But when they're
all over England. And that's those two guys that she
was talking about to who claim that they've made them all, but.
Speaker 2 (15:06):
Because they're being seen in England.
Speaker 5 (15:08):
I was interviewed by c JOB one afternoon and the
CGOB reporter asked me.
Speaker 12 (15:16):
I would write, you know, how come or why aren't
there more crop circles around? Why why aren't theyre in
Keyna in Canada? And I said, yes, as a matter
of fact, it would make more sense if.
Speaker 2 (15:31):
The crop circles were in Canada because we had more
fields of durham and oats and wheat and sort of stuff.
Speaker 5 (15:37):
And you know England doesn't have as much fields like
that as we do. I said, as a matter of fact,
just outside of Winnipeg, you know there's canola fields that
stretch forever, so why aren't the crop circles there. The
next morning I got a call from CGOB because a
crop circle had been found just outside of Winnipeg. Sodians
(16:00):
were listening in the CJO me and heard me challenge
them to make a crop circle, at which we investigated.
It was in a field just outside of Saint Francois Xavier,
and that seemed to start. After that, there were crop
circles throughout Manitoba. They spread into Alberta and to other areas.
(16:21):
I think We investigated probably twenty or thirty in Manitoba alone,
and they're interesting.
Speaker 12 (16:30):
You know.
Speaker 5 (16:30):
I took samples and sent them down to the States
where there was somebody a scientist was slowly investigating and
trying to analyze them.
Speaker 2 (16:40):
Never heard back.
Speaker 5 (16:41):
From the scientists. Thought of what happened obviously, you know,
you know, loved them.
Speaker 2 (16:45):
To mail or I don't know.
Speaker 5 (16:47):
But there were cases that were reported all across Canada,
and I haven't heard of any in Canada for a
number of years. I know that British every year, England
still as a bunch, and I think Germany, but I
haven't heard of any in Canada for for a number
of years.
Speaker 2 (17:07):
Not sure why, but you're right.
Speaker 5 (17:09):
There's there's a lot of interesting mysteries that that people
should pay more attention to.
Speaker 10 (17:17):
UH.
Speaker 5 (17:17):
And I think it's important for us to document all
these mysteries from a scientific perspective because there again, as
I said at the meeting, that's part of our who
we are as humans, part of the reason why we uh,
you know, why we're fascinated, Why why people like you
come out to hear an old dude.
Speaker 2 (17:37):
Like me talk.
Speaker 6 (17:40):
Thank you for your question. Does anybody else have any questions.
Speaker 5 (17:43):
For Chris question or a story, a story there in
the peanut gallery.
Speaker 13 (17:57):
So if there's like among the list of yours were
alias of commental contact but kind of like secretly you're
only a highful of people have seen them or something
like that, Like why do they.
Speaker 4 (18:10):
Stay so secret? Like why don't they just come out
and say like, hey, what's up?
Speaker 5 (18:14):
Oh why don't they actually come down and land on
Parliament Hill or.
Speaker 2 (18:19):
Something like that?
Speaker 5 (18:20):
Yeah, because the RCMP would shoot them, but you know that,
So yeah.
Speaker 2 (18:27):
Why don't the aliens you know, finally make themselves? Don't?
And I mean, even though it's.
Speaker 5 (18:33):
Science fiction with you know, Star Trek has has this
you know principle, the prime directive that says you don't
you don't make yourself known to a primitive culture. And
we're about as primitive as you get. Stan Friedman, the
upologists who worked down the stats for many years, he
(18:55):
made the point of that, you know, our national pastime
where our world pastimes a little pastime, is killing each other.
You know, would you really want to have anything to
do with us if you you know, had any sense whatsoever,
you would you know, stay away? And other people would
say things like, you know, maybe the the UFOs, the
(19:15):
aliens in the UFOs look at this as a an
anthropology class from Zayda Reticuli, you know, where you can
occasionally come down and poke.
Speaker 2 (19:25):
A few of us, take a few of us as samples, have.
Speaker 5 (19:28):
Us run around in the cage and things like that,
and put us back down. But you know, by and
large you just leave us alone. Why would you want
to have anything to do with this primitive society whose
pastime is is killing each other?
Speaker 4 (19:40):
I have a question about that.
Speaker 14 (19:42):
Yes, there have been a number of programs where people
have been interviewed who have.
Speaker 4 (19:48):
Been abducted and they state.
Speaker 15 (19:51):
That the extraterrestrials have said, you know, I have a
message for you.
Speaker 4 (19:58):
If you don't sparten up, where gonna.
Speaker 15 (20:01):
Do something about it? So my question is we have
the missing link. So, in anthropology speaking, we have the
missing length with our evolution.
Speaker 14 (20:13):
Theories have gone spoken about maybe we were put here
by them and we are an experiment, and the missing
link is we're not evoliy fast enough.
Speaker 4 (20:24):
So let's step it up. And you've heard anything to
that story.
Speaker 2 (20:29):
Sure, the question was about it? What about a missing link?
Speaker 5 (20:31):
And you know, if you don't that humans did from
anthropological standing point, you know, humans had us being a
big jump in evolution, and one of the theories is
that that because the aliens came down and you know,
impregnant a few here and there.
Speaker 2 (20:49):
Sort of gave us a boost.
Speaker 5 (20:54):
And you know, there's a point of all this is
there's some great stories out there we just simply don't know.
Is it possible that the aliens are messing with their DNA?
Is it possible that, you know, the aliens are actually.
Speaker 2 (21:07):
Us from the future.
Speaker 5 (21:08):
Is it possible aliens are you know, trying to breed
other kinds of aliens. And there's a one great theory
that that smog is actually the natural atmosphere on whatever
the alien planet is. So that's why they're encouraging climate change.
This planets have to you know, make it more habitable
(21:29):
for them, and you know they're not far off right now.
I for one, we've got another thirty years before we
can't breathe the air, so you know that's you know
that maybe that's possible.
Speaker 2 (21:40):
It's true. There's so many of these great theories, and
it's it allows us to speculate on who we are
as humans. There's a great thing. I used to do
a lot of.
Speaker 5 (21:54):
Stuff with kids, and I was a judge for the
Amountoisk Science Fair for any and one of the projects
they had kids do here is instead of you know,
making their backboard and whatever, you know, making little volcanoes
or whatever, they would say to the kids, Okay, we're
(22:14):
gonna give you, uh an alien. And they say, let's
say there's an alien that's living on Mars, or an
alien that's living on Jupiter, or an alien that's living
on Neptune. What does it look like, how does it move,
what does it eat, how does it move around? How
(22:37):
does it you know, how does it communicate with others?
And that allow kids to speculate on all these great things.
You know, whether they had big ears and small ears,
how did how would to hear other things?
Speaker 2 (22:49):
Maybe in a rarefied atmosphere.
Speaker 5 (22:51):
It doesn't need that type of thing, but it's there's
all sorts of very simple things to ask, like why
do we have two eyes up here? Why aren't our
eyes down there? You know, where we're walking so that
if there's something we don't trip over it. And you know,
this is terribly inefficient to have a brifice here that
(23:13):
for breathing and eating.
Speaker 2 (23:15):
You'd think it would be more sensible. And why why
is two lates? Why not four?
Speaker 5 (23:21):
And you know, all these types of questions, and it
allows us to think about why we are the way
we are, and to think about.
Speaker 2 (23:29):
The possibility of what life elsewhere might look like.
Speaker 5 (23:34):
And most astronomers and scientists are of the opinion that
there probably is.
Speaker 6 (23:42):
Is it the perch?
Speaker 9 (23:55):
The aliens?
Speaker 7 (24:02):
They're crazy?
Speaker 9 (24:05):
I wanted to come down here so I can see it.
Speaker 2 (24:13):
Stop here. And and just as I was talking about
behavior and you wonder why the aliens to come down there?
Are you kidding me?
Speaker 6 (24:34):
They fly by our planet, lock the doors and roll up.
Speaker 2 (24:36):
The windows and keep going up, or as we commonly
call it, Thursday. I have a quick.
Speaker 6 (24:47):
Interjection in relation to what Teresa was asking.
Speaker 7 (24:51):
That's Teresa.
Speaker 6 (24:53):
Like alien blood RH negative. They cannot explain that, right, Like,
I mean, that's one of the weird things that they
think that maybe aliens.
Speaker 2 (25:04):
Brought to us. I don't know, Yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 5 (25:09):
I mean there are our blood is you know, it
has all these different blood types?
Speaker 2 (25:17):
Why do we need so many? Maybe you know some
of them are from from around here.
Speaker 6 (25:24):
Welcome it's not the.
Speaker 2 (25:29):
Lack of shame, it's thank you rank them dry.
Speaker 6 (25:38):
So I think lay had a question. Did you have
a question? Or you have a story?
Speaker 7 (25:43):
Or wrong?
Speaker 6 (25:44):
Or George or do you yes?
Speaker 1 (25:46):
Adam Adam?
Speaker 6 (25:48):
Oh, sorry, little utilations.
Speaker 2 (25:57):
We there's only two that I know of in Manitoba
that I oh, I didn't realize.
Speaker 5 (26:02):
Oh yeah, there was one on who was I talking
to from Tulon? There was one out by Twulon, oh
a number of years ago. Now we went out and
sure enough there was a desiccated cow in a field
the farmer had said we hadn't hadn't seen, didn't know
what happened to it, and found it and it was
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pretty much dessicated.
Speaker 2 (26:26):
No sign of blood.
Speaker 5 (26:28):
And then there was a because I worked at the
University of Manitoba for many years and just adjacent to
where the Public Information Office used to be was managed
by agriculture, especially animal services, and somebody showed literally showed
up in a truck with a cow in the back,
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a dead cow in the back of his pickup truck.
He was bringing it to a Manitoba agriculture and there
was a perfectly square cut of hide taken taken off
with this this cow, and he wanted somebody to look
at it.
Speaker 2 (27:07):
So we've had a couple of cases like that. And
what's I don't know what happened to it.
Speaker 5 (27:12):
You two, he took it to the matte Vanua culture
and they pathologists looked at it, and that's the last
I heard it.
Speaker 2 (27:19):
There was blood.
Speaker 5 (27:20):
But there's somebody Does somebody have a question in the
back there? Oh they moved removed the brand.
Speaker 2 (27:31):
That makes sense. That makes sense is somebody who know
you had a question?
Speaker 5 (27:40):
Yeah.
Speaker 16 (27:40):
So one of the big like to talk storylines right
now that's going on used to be like the Nasca mummies.
I'm not sure if you follow that storyline if you
have the opinions of one like a lot of the
evidence to suggest that it might be historically produced reproduction
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rather than actual.
Speaker 2 (28:02):
Sayaleen mummies.
Speaker 16 (28:04):
And there's a lot of like iconography from the culture
that has all of these you know, three fingered it
bought like eight like entonies and such like that that
would suggest that there's something about their culture going back with.
Speaker 7 (28:21):
A thousand years that that may have led to the
creation of these mummies.
Speaker 17 (28:26):
If they are an old artifact.
Speaker 7 (28:28):
Like do you have any thoughts on that or any
ideas about where that's for from.
Speaker 5 (28:33):
The question was about Nasca mummies, and if you google
Nnasca mummies, there there's been a couple of these these
skeletons with some in some cases the stuff wrapped around them,
and it's mostly just skeletons that they're sort of in
the fetal position, and the story is that they were
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found and that because they have a bone structure and
appearance unlike humans, maybe they're.
Speaker 2 (29:00):
You know, something else.
Speaker 5 (29:03):
The trouble is that the people who first brought them
to the attention of the world are people who have
done hookses.
Speaker 2 (29:13):
In the past.
Speaker 5 (29:14):
So it's sort of like the boy crying wolf if
you want to believe these guys again.
Speaker 2 (29:20):
And there have been some X rays that have been
done to show that depends on who you talk to.
Speaker 5 (29:25):
There's one group that says, you know, the x rays
show that these were pieces of various animals that were
sort of drafted together and faked, and the other ones say, no, no, no,
our scientists say that these are absolutely real and that
type of thing. I find it more difficult because the
big reveal of these mummies took place live on television
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when they were wheeled out on a cart and they
were called, you know, one of the greatest scientific discoveries.
Speaker 2 (29:54):
Of all time. And that's not how you treat scientific discoveries.
You know, this was clearly a show.
Speaker 5 (30:01):
And so I have my serious doubts about these types
of things. But it's very popular, very controversial. But you know,
I haven't seen them. I haven't looked at them myself.
Speaker 2 (30:11):
But then I shouldn't look at them myself because I'm
not an anthropologist, so I don't know.
Speaker 7 (30:18):
Okay, all right, fellows, wait, we'll go You you were.
Speaker 2 (30:23):
First, Actually.
Speaker 17 (30:26):
You people actually.
Speaker 5 (30:32):
Calling down UFOs. Yeah, I have not heard of anybody
calling down.
Speaker 2 (30:40):
UFOs in Manitoba. But there's a couple of guys. There's
actually a documentary film.
Speaker 5 (30:47):
About the mad who talked to UFOs or something like that,
and uh.
Speaker 2 (30:53):
The idea is that he goes out and he can,
you know, you know, within.
Speaker 5 (30:57):
A few minutes after meditating or something, the ufoser here.
Speaker 2 (31:01):
But it depends on what you're you know, what you're
looking for.
Speaker 5 (31:05):
I mean, there's lots of things in the sky that
are already flying around, and most of the time, once
he's pointing to our just lights moving in the sky
and stuff like that. So whether he's actually doing it
or or something natural, I don't know, but I've heard
of those stories.
Speaker 2 (31:21):
Yeah, and you had a question.
Speaker 5 (31:25):
The uh the Canadian Minister of Defense Paul here heil.
Speaker 17 (31:31):
Here He's he came out like he was a pretty
minister of defense for Canada. He said there were aliens
like six different and he.
Speaker 2 (31:42):
Said, I think he did they love us.
Speaker 18 (31:44):
And I was like, I was like, that's kind of
crazy to talk a little bit because he's he was
in front of a big comedy when he said all this,
and so it's there's like six oh no, it's.
Speaker 2 (31:58):
Hard to well.
Speaker 5 (31:59):
This Paul Hellier and there's no question that fellow named
Paul Keller, the Honorable Paul Hellier was the Canadian Minister
of Defense from.
Speaker 2 (32:08):
Nineteen sixty I think two or three to nineteen sixty seven.
Speaker 5 (32:15):
And in about the year two thousand or two thousand
and one or two, he went public with his belief that, you.
Speaker 2 (32:26):
Know, there are lots of aliens out there and there's
government cover up and all this sort of stuff.
Speaker 5 (32:31):
And he knew this because of some buddy in the
American government who told him of his own the trouble
is that between nineteen sixty seven and the year two
thousand he had lost his security clearance and wouldn't have
had access to any of this information.
Speaker 2 (32:48):
And also when he himself saw.
Speaker 5 (32:51):
A UFO in the company of some of his friends,
he himself said it was because they were too drunk.
Speaker 2 (32:58):
And not only that, but on one of the later
shows he said that you're.
Speaker 5 (33:04):
Right, aliens are living among us as a matter of fact,
because they are alien shaped and they look alien. They
dress in nuns costumes and go to Las Vegas to
play the slide.
Speaker 2 (33:23):
This is the same guy who says the government is
coming up with folks.
Speaker 5 (33:26):
So, yes, he was Minister of Defense. But does that
automatically mean he's rational.
Speaker 2 (33:35):
Yeah, yeah, that's funny. So you know, but caveat emptor
I suppose.
Speaker 5 (33:42):
Yeah, yeah, Nick Pope. Yeah, I've gone drinking with Nick Pope.
He's a nice guy, you know, a very nice guy.
I think he had something to do with the British
government in terms of he was not the Minister Offense.
Speaker 2 (34:03):
No, he worked.
Speaker 5 (34:04):
He worked in the Ministry office as a clerk and
saw some UFO documents.
Speaker 1 (34:11):
He was not.
Speaker 5 (34:12):
Seen as.
Speaker 7 (34:19):
He was.
Speaker 2 (34:20):
Nick Pope was never the Ministry of Defense ry never never, never,
never any anybody else you again, like.
Speaker 7 (34:32):
One of the UH, I feel a.
Speaker 16 (34:35):
Lot of you know you mentioned lately of there's this
prevailing discussion and theory about the connections but.
Speaker 7 (34:45):
Aliens, And he goes back to like twenty ten there
was like.
Speaker 16 (34:48):
A lover by like Nigel Kerner about like aliens and
souls and how aliens are these AI beings created the artist.
Speaker 7 (34:57):
Students and these are lal thing and these soul fields
and how.
Speaker 19 (35:06):
They're harvesting them for things other planets and it's sort
of like this crossover of like Woo meats aliens meats
you know, like the supers.
Speaker 7 (35:17):
Have you ever looked at that?
Speaker 2 (35:19):
If you have any opinions about it?
Speaker 5 (35:21):
The question is, have I looked into the possibly that
aliens are UH crossovers with AI and gatherery, souls and
all that sort of stuff. The answer is no, I've
never looked into that. I'll think about it and get
(35:45):
back to you. My assistant Kelly will be to talk
to this at the next meeting.
Speaker 4 (36:01):
I don't think I can be friends with that.
Speaker 2 (36:02):
And then that's because.
Speaker 8 (36:08):
Is it really him?
Speaker 20 (36:12):
Question two part questions So I believe in UFOs. Oh no,
I tell you want me to answer that you what
do you mean by ufospace?
Speaker 5 (36:24):
Okay, my backgrounds in astronomy, So I think that aliens
are out there.
Speaker 2 (36:30):
Are they coming here? I haven't seen any proof, but
what people describe as.
Speaker 5 (36:37):
UFOs other than if I find objects are being seen
all the time by responsible people.
Speaker 2 (36:41):
Including pilots and you know the sort of thing. So
UFOs are real, are they necessarily alien spacecraft? I don't know.
Speaker 21 (36:50):
Okay, believe that people are telling you what the experience
is true, and there's some.
Speaker 2 (36:58):
People that yeah, yeah.
Speaker 16 (37:00):
So my second question is because galaxies are so far away,
or if upiles are actually coming here.
Speaker 2 (37:07):
You know, again, they could a point that they could
be invain and under Earth, and that's where we have
to get hold. But do you believe in worm holes
that actually be able to get your quicker? Because if
you try to travel one galaxy, I haven't take.
Speaker 17 (37:23):
You're talking a little bit part of the taking hundreds
of hundreds of thousand years.
Speaker 7 (37:29):
Light years to get So do you think that the
pupils are actually coming to Earth?
Speaker 2 (37:33):
What are they using the worm place to get your jade?
If you have thoughts on.
Speaker 5 (37:38):
So there's no proof that aliens are here, but if
aliens are traveling through wormholes or whatever another galaxy, they.
Speaker 2 (37:46):
Could be able to get here. And here's the here's
the science part of the night.
Speaker 5 (37:52):
I have to have what can increase some sciences, Uh,
actually for hard I mean I have to include some
sciences here. So, so.
Speaker 2 (38:05):
Our sun is it's a yellow star. You know, there's
stars of different colors in the sky.
Speaker 5 (38:14):
Our star, our son has been around for our son
has been around for you know, billions of years. But
there are stars that are a little bit older than
our sun, and there's stars a little bit younger than
our son. So if there was a planet around an
older star than our sun, and I'm talking not just
(38:36):
one hundred years, maybe five hundred years, a thousand years,
ten thousand years.
Speaker 2 (38:41):
Let's give it a million years just for the hell
of it.
Speaker 5 (38:45):
And let's say there's a life started on that planet
just like it started here, and they would have a
head start.
Speaker 2 (38:54):
Five hundred, one thousand, ten thousand, a million years.
Speaker 5 (38:59):
Maybe that civilization around that other star, we'll figure out
a way to use wormholes or come up with some
way of bending the laws of physics that we don't
know about yet, not break the laws of physics.
Speaker 2 (39:13):
But bend them.
Speaker 5 (39:14):
And given that there's a lot of stars out there,
it's very very likely that that might be a plausible scenario.
Speaker 2 (39:23):
So we don't see the direct.
Speaker 5 (39:26):
Evidence of aliens, but it's very possible if they're there,
and if they're that's smart. They might be able to
figure it a way to keep them held themselves hidden
from us or make us think that they're not there
at all. So it's actually scientifically possible to say the
aliens are out there and are here because you simply
can't recognize it. Do I believe that, you know, I'm
(39:49):
more of a doubting Thomas. Well, well, I'm skeptical, but
I do believe that it's possible. I don't dismiss things
out in hand.
Speaker 2 (39:59):
You know, I call a spade a spade. If somebody's
jerking my chain, I'm saying, hey, you know, come on,
But is it possible. Yeah, So if.
Speaker 5 (40:08):
If somebody comes to me with the UFO story or
ghost story, it's possible. But you know, we have to
you have to apply, you know, good common sense to
to what some of these stories, and it's possible.
Speaker 2 (40:22):
The common sense is yet there might be some aliens
out there. Thanks, there's somebody when we're there.
Speaker 4 (40:31):
The space.
Speaker 2 (40:36):
Yeah. Should now we get to the now we get
to the philosophy part. This is good. Should we contact aliens?
If we meet aliens, should we have anything to do
with them? There's some great science fiction movies and stories
(40:58):
about this.
Speaker 5 (41:01):
In fact, Stephen Hawking before he died, he had a
warning he didn't think that we should try to communicate
with aliens also in the universe, because if you make
yourselves known, they might want to come and conquer us.
Speaker 2 (41:17):
You know, flip how well that worked for North America.
You know, so that that is is a possibility. In fact,
there was a.
Speaker 5 (41:29):
Movie on Netflix, the Three Body Problem series of three books,
and the premise of the movie is what happens if
we accidentally, you know.
Speaker 2 (41:41):
Tell the universe, tell everyone else in the universe that
we're here, and aliens come to Earth and they basically
take us over.
Speaker 5 (41:49):
How you know, we're powerless because the aliens are so powerful.
Speaker 2 (41:52):
Because they're advanced. How you do it? So there is
that possibility.
Speaker 5 (41:59):
The other side of it is that maybe these aliens
are benevolent and have the cure for cancer. They have,
you know, ways of feeding the entire population, and they're
in give us the keys.
Speaker 2 (42:12):
To the kingdom, basically the keys to the universe.
Speaker 5 (42:16):
There's good reasons to hope for good aliens and bad
reasons to think of the bad aliens. But a very
valid point the philosophy of should we contact aliens?
Speaker 2 (42:31):
I'm ignoring. I don't know.
Speaker 1 (42:38):
Aside from Adam, is there anybody else has any questions
or comments or.
Speaker 5 (42:48):
We've already sent our information out to space and it's
been sent out on this record, but that record is
going to take ten thousand years to reach.
Speaker 2 (42:56):
The nearest star, so it's still out there, but nobody
will find it.
Speaker 7 (43:08):
In the bottom.
Speaker 2 (43:10):
You're really quiet today, ask.
Speaker 6 (43:12):
Well, I have a question, so kind of back to
the well.
Speaker 9 (43:17):
It's a mixture of the Hamilton House and Falcon Lake together.
So I already know the answered this question, but just
in case people out there are wondering, are there artifacts
from these events that people can go and look at
and where can they see them?
Speaker 2 (43:35):
My god, that's a great question. So the University of Anatoba.
Speaker 5 (43:41):
Does have a collection of interesting artifacts. They have some
of the photographs were taken from the Hamilton House, they
have some of the diaries and so forth, and they
have it in their paranormal collection. They have things like
bent spoons that were psychically bent, and tendulums and things
like that. And as part of our donation, they have
(44:05):
some of the artifacts in the Falcon La case.
Speaker 2 (44:09):
Including some Uh. They don't actually have the.
Speaker 5 (44:13):
Radioactive metal yet, but they're they're slated to be getting it,
so there are artifacts areout physical things that you can study.
As a matter of fact, we took them the radioactive
metal to the Manitoba Institute of Metal Urge and they
put it on their electron microscope and they looked at
(44:34):
it just a few years ago.
Speaker 6 (44:35):
Wo yeah, because it's still radioactive.
Speaker 2 (44:38):
It's still radioactive. It's I think you've been sitting under it.
You have another question back then, yeah, pardon.
Speaker 5 (44:55):
They're in the University of Manitoma archives and and from
time to time they do cut them out and put
them on the sleigh.
Speaker 4 (45:04):
I believe if you want to see them and they're
not on display, you.
Speaker 8 (45:07):
Can call ahead and ask for them to pull them out.
Speaker 4 (45:14):
No, really, you guys.
Speaker 2 (45:20):
Anymore, I like to go back to the butter tuckers.
Speaker 6 (45:29):
By the way, Yeah, I work beside it. That'd be sweet,
that'd be sweet. I think George had a question.
Speaker 4 (45:37):
Probably investigators before us.
Speaker 22 (45:39):
M George, I think you had a question to righteous
teaches people.
Speaker 2 (45:52):
Yes, yeah, I don't know how. I don't know how
many of you.
Speaker 5 (45:58):
Have you been out to the Tula Can and places
like that where they have the uh the uh peper farms.
Here in Manitoba, they actually have a public site, sacred
indigenous site of boulder outlines that are only visible from
the air, and they're in the outline of of turtles
and beavers and a large buffalo, that type of thing.
(46:21):
And the idea is that they were they have to
make them big so the sky people knew where you
know where to come?
Speaker 2 (46:28):
Suddenly about.
Speaker 9 (46:32):
All right, guys, where na let Adam ask one last question?
Speaker 2 (46:36):
I guess one last question? And then then they're picking
us out inside o'clock. Uh Jacks are Fanny.
Speaker 21 (46:44):
It was like a re known physicist, and he spoke
to being read into programs and up from like the
macade about under sea.
Speaker 7 (46:58):
Like extra tree for all facilities. Have you have you
ever heard of that?
Speaker 5 (47:06):
Or no?
Speaker 2 (47:13):
The day the days are only so large, but I
am I have a number of talks coming up. Just
so you know.
Speaker 5 (47:25):
I'm going to shag Harbor, Nova, Scotia, where the site
where the UFOs crashed at the end of September, to
talk at the Shag Harbor UFO conference, and I'm talking
about UFO crashes in Canada and there's more than one.
And then the following week I'm in thunder Bay with
these ladies and others to talk about unusual phenomena in
(47:50):
and around thunder Bay. And there's a lot of unusual things,
including the people who are living in thunder Bay. And
and and then the week after that, I'm at a
paranormal conference in Halifax talking about abductions.
Speaker 13 (48:07):
Nice.
Speaker 6 (48:08):
Well, you got that busy coming.
Speaker 2 (48:09):
Out, so it's a busy, busy busy.
Speaker 5 (48:11):
So I just want to say thank you very much
for inviting me on the podcast, Thank you for inviting
me coming, thank.
Speaker 6 (48:19):
You appreciating, thank you, Chris, thanks for the honor. Thank
you so much for joining us.
Speaker 1 (48:28):
You're Kelly.
Speaker 8 (48:30):
Okay, before you guys go, just a reminder that Winnipeg
Paranormal does have two investigations coming up in September.
Speaker 9 (48:40):
One is at the Saint James Museum on September thirteenth,
and the other one is out in Portage, Laprairie at
the Fort Lorraine Museum on September twenty eighth. Tickets are
on sales so you can.
Speaker 6 (48:51):
Find those on our Facebook page.
Speaker 1 (48:55):
And again, thank you for everybody that came out. If
you need to get a hold of these ladies, you
can contact them.
Speaker 9 (49:02):
At WPG Paranormal at gmail dot com or through our
Facebook page.
Speaker 1 (49:08):
And for ourselves, speaking on behalf of my pod partner,
who am I again giving Up the Ghost podcast? So
please check out episodes our every week every other week
you if you have any stories you'd like to share
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Speaker 6 (49:22):
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Speaker 1 (49:26):
And again, just as we close out every show, we
say and remember to live every day like it is
your last.
Speaker 2 (49:34):
But never give up the ghosts.
Speaker 6 (49:35):
Never give up the ghost. Thank you guys.
Speaker 1 (49:44):
Sure, thank you so much.
Speaker 7 (49:45):
Chris, that was amazing, appreciate that problem.
Speaker 6 (49:47):
Okay, thank you, Sat, thank you.
Speaker 4 (49:49):
There's still a couple of books up here.
Speaker 1 (49:51):
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Speaker 7 (50:01):
Pass actions
Speaker 6 (50:10):
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Speaker 2 (04:17):
I have another question, has another question?
Speaker 3 (04:19):
Okay, So you know that I used to reporter in Sedona, Arizona.
If anybody knows about Sedona, that's to happened for UFO sightings,
it's huge. So we would get people, you know, talking
to us about him all the time. But one of
the things that stood out for me was that the
(04:43):
people who were talking to me, they weren't like there's
a stigma about Oh these people, they must be crazy,
blah blah blah blah. But these were like business people,
people who owned businesses, you know, people who had good
standing in the community, and and a lot of them
talked about and I know I'm thinking about it about
(05:09):
something that was done to you in a video one
time regarding the lizard people, can you tell us.
Speaker 4 (05:18):
Any stories.
Speaker 3 (05:21):
People have any have you encountered people that have been
have talked about it.
Speaker 5 (05:28):
Well over the past number of you know, many years decades,
I have talked to people who said that they believe
that those people were we're here on earth.
Speaker 1 (05:39):
And we're somebody's being told right now starting to rupt
your cross check on the front street.
Speaker 6 (05:45):
If there's anybody, if that's your arrived, where will you.
Speaker 7 (05:49):
Have the lights flashing in the window.
Speaker 1 (05:51):
I'm around the corner, Thank god, is there is gone
up a car?
Speaker 2 (06:03):
The aliens are getting Okay.
Speaker 1 (06:05):
Sorry about that. Guy's just do a service announcement. Aaron's
got a question.
Speaker 2 (06:09):
I know, yeah, got a question. Thinks it's more question.
Speaker 4 (06:15):
But it's also like.
Speaker 5 (06:18):
Video Invita yeah o tall Stoy Sundown, Oh boy, that
area on uh huh, I mean I have I've heard
of that, not necessarily from Vida. But you heard anything, okay,
(06:45):
uh yeah, those of you didn't hear there, Jenna, I
had seen a UFO with rotating flash lights to your
Vita Manitoba, which is in the far southeast of the province,
cigar shaped and the helicopter and.
Speaker 2 (07:02):
Well six years ago. I haven't heard anything from six
years ago.
Speaker 5 (07:06):
But there's a really interesting case from Sundown, which is
just down the road. He can't find him, yeah, yah, yeah,
this very interesting story where a fellow was driving and
this is like five o'clock in the morning, six o'clock
in the morning before, just before the sun was going up,
and he's driving on the road, you know, the Pinees
(07:29):
Undown Road that area, and as he's driving, he sees
this disshaped object with sparkles over top of the road
and he ends up driving underneath it and it's you know,
it's classic Hollywood style flying saucer with some sparkling.
Speaker 2 (07:44):
Lights, and he says, wow, that's that's really weird.
Speaker 5 (07:48):
He didn't stop. He keeps on driving, and about a
quarter of a mile further on.
Speaker 2 (07:56):
As he.
Speaker 5 (07:58):
Crests a hill, all of a sudden he sees these
three figures in front of him, shaped like blowing bowling pins.
This is the ghost connection too, but they're white with
bulba's heads and big bodies across the road in front
of him. But because he was cresting in the hill
and he was coming down, he couldn't stop because he
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was going too fast. So he figured, well, I guess
I can't stop, so I'll just embrace for impact, and he.
Speaker 2 (08:28):
Drove through them, didn't feel anything.
Speaker 5 (08:32):
And then looked at his rear view mirror and saw
that they were still there but deflating inside is getting
smaller and smaller and smaller. And that was a sundown
That sundown road just went too far from Vitel.
Speaker 2 (08:45):
So there were those ghosts. What was the UFO there
was seen?
Speaker 5 (08:48):
It were they? You know, I don't know, but that
just shows you that again, that connection between all these phenomena.
Speaker 6 (08:54):
Yeah, I have a phenomenon. You want to hear it?
Speaker 1 (08:57):
Sure, Actually I think I told you when we interviewed you. Well,
I believe that the big Foot people or sasquatch that
they find are actually the people that got abducted, right,
And then they're playing around with their DNA seeing what
they could do, and then it's like, oh shit, I
couldn't put them back to a human.
Speaker 6 (09:14):
It's this her free beast, like we don't want it. Okay,
we're just gonna put you back. And that's what I
think Bigfoot people are.
Speaker 1 (09:22):
It's just a messed up alien experiment, but they have
some kind of empathy that oh my god, I've fucked.
Speaker 6 (09:28):
Up again, and here you go into the wild and
only that has survived. Oh yeah, I've heard a guy.
Speaker 5 (09:44):
Yeah, the story I remember I've heard most often is
that the Sasquatch.
Speaker 2 (09:49):
Or Bigfoot are the pets of the aliens.
Speaker 6 (09:55):
I like that one. That's good.
Speaker 1 (09:57):
Maybe right now at this point, will stop for quick
break for about ten fifty minutes. Like people, we have
Aaron with Onion's oddities. She's got some beautiful merch we
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Speaker 2 (10:12):
Got my sharp.
Speaker 6 (10:13):
Beat that sweetens the pot.
Speaker 1 (10:18):
And then the Winnipeg Paranormal Group has some shwag and
giving up. The Ghost Podcast has some shwag off to
the side, and also just a quick quick survey. The
second half usually of these nights, it's open mic. Does
anybody have any stories that they want.
Speaker 6 (10:32):
To share with us?
Speaker 1 (10:33):
You don't have to, but does anybody have any ufoon
encounters or alien stories that.
Speaker 6 (10:37):
They want to share?
Speaker 2 (10:38):
UFOs of Canadians believe they have seen UFOs. So out
of a crowd like this, there's about ten of you
that have to fess.
Speaker 1 (10:45):
Up, So anyway, consider it, and if not, we'll just
continue with the format with talking with Chris his stories,
to ask questions and we'll be back in about ten minutes.
Speaker 6 (10:56):
Thank you.
Speaker 8 (11:00):
Hi, everybody you want to come back and get your seats.
Speaker 2 (11:05):
We're gonna start the.
Speaker 4 (11:06):
Second half right away. Hopefully you guys have had enough
liquid courage.
Speaker 8 (11:13):
If everybody is still interested, Chris has five books left.
Speaker 9 (11:18):
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good deal tonight.
Speaker 7 (11:23):
That's a thirty dollars value.
Speaker 2 (11:24):
The books are actually free, but the autograph is too bad.
Speaker 1 (11:31):
Actually, they want a picture, boy, So Chris, Yes, now
that we have your attention, we would like to present
you with something for coming out and being our special guest.
Pass this on down, Hold up bang advertising advertising? Really god, okay,
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we like giving presents.
Speaker 5 (11:53):
This is a giving up the those podcast official schwag bag.
Speaker 6 (11:59):
Well it's it's simpart with the Olympic Paranormal Group.
Speaker 5 (12:02):
But you know it's the Paranormal Group shirt.
Speaker 6 (12:08):
But you got to open up the shirt first.
Speaker 5 (12:10):
Something special, something special, yell investiate with an alien on it.
Speaker 6 (12:15):
There you go. You're the only one that has that.
Everybody else has two.
Speaker 2 (12:21):
In fact, very privileged.
Speaker 1 (12:23):
And I made this like two three years ago when
I first interviewed you during the pandemic, and I always said,
Chris needs the shirt.
Speaker 2 (12:29):
It says humans aren't real. Humans aren't real. There you go, well,
thank I'm very young, or thank you very much.
Speaker 1 (12:37):
Welcome, thank you for coming down and you know, speaking
with us. And so at this point, is there anybody
that either has a question for Chris or anybody has
their own story that they would like to tell you
who sightings or encounters.
Speaker 2 (12:53):
There's a young lady right here.
Speaker 1 (12:57):
Do you want to come? Oh, okay, question.
Speaker 10 (13:00):
I have a question that it's not specifically about aliens,
but it is about.
Speaker 2 (13:05):
Crop circles crop circles.
Speaker 6 (13:07):
Cause the question is when.
Speaker 10 (13:09):
There is like many many crop circles produced every year,
like for for decades, well researched by crops circled.
Speaker 4 (13:18):
Research, Chola graph experience, looked at research on by m like.
Speaker 11 (13:24):
These things are there, they exist in the kind of
thing is not come how close? We aren't paying more
attention to crop circles when a lot of the times
the alien stuff.
Speaker 4 (13:35):
Is like the unrobbed stuff.
Speaker 11 (13:37):
It's you're saying, it's a story, somebody said something, somebody.
Speaker 4 (13:41):
Saw something, they got all these crop circles, they're there
and if you look at those typically they're they're unusual,
like they have woven patterns.
Speaker 10 (13:50):
The the the croops are finished like an inte half
off the ground with the first patterns like they've been
faith been heated, microwave or something.
Speaker 4 (13:58):
It's not like they's not cracked.
Speaker 7 (14:01):
Crop circles like that.
Speaker 11 (14:02):
Nobody wants to admit like somebody like they'll like to
saying like how no one asks about like the Canadian
experience and the State's wife.
Speaker 2 (14:10):
So you didn't hear that. But the question is what
about crop circles? How come there isn't more interest in them?
Speaker 5 (14:17):
Why anybody spent more time examining them scientifically? And because
they're they're physically there, they could be looked at it.
And what about the Canadian connections? And first of all,
they're in the book.
Speaker 2 (14:32):
There have been a lot of Canadian crop circles.
Speaker 5 (14:34):
As a matter of fact, I have to say, I'm
it's my fault.
Speaker 2 (14:41):
Crop circles and are in Canada are my fault? Well,
the recently are is.
Speaker 5 (14:48):
Back in when they first started being seen in England,
everybody said that's where they started from. But when they're
all over England. And that's those two guys that she
was talking about to who claim that they've made them all, but.
Speaker 2 (15:06):
Because they're being seen in England.
Speaker 5 (15:08):
I was interviewed by c JOB one afternoon and the
CGOB reporter asked me.
Speaker 12 (15:16):
I would write, you know, how come or why aren't
there more crop circles around? Why why aren't theyre in
Keyna in Canada? And I said, yes, as a matter
of fact, it would make more sense if.
Speaker 2 (15:31):
The crop circles were in Canada because we had more
fields of durham and oats and wheat and sort of stuff.
Speaker 5 (15:37):
And you know England doesn't have as much fields like
that as we do. I said, as a matter of fact,
just outside of Winnipeg, you know there's canola fields that
stretch forever, so why aren't the crop circles there. The
next morning I got a call from CGOB because a
crop circle had been found just outside of Winnipeg. Sodians
(16:00):
were listening in the CJO me and heard me challenge
them to make a crop circle, at which we investigated.
It was in a field just outside of Saint Francois Xavier,
and that seemed to start. After that, there were crop
circles throughout Manitoba. They spread into Alberta and to other areas.
(16:21):
I think We investigated probably twenty or thirty in Manitoba alone,
and they're interesting.
Speaker 12 (16:30):
You know.
Speaker 5 (16:30):
I took samples and sent them down to the States
where there was somebody a scientist was slowly investigating and
trying to analyze them.
Speaker 2 (16:40):
Never heard back.
Speaker 5 (16:41):
From the scientists. Thought of what happened obviously, you know,
you know, loved them.
Speaker 2 (16:45):
To mail or I don't know.
Speaker 5 (16:47):
But there were cases that were reported all across Canada,
and I haven't heard of any in Canada for a
number of years. I know that British every year, England
still as a bunch, and I think Germany, but I
haven't heard of any in Canada for for a number
of years.
Speaker 2 (17:07):
Not sure why, but you're right.
Speaker 5 (17:09):
There's there's a lot of interesting mysteries that that people
should pay more attention to.
Speaker 10 (17:17):
UH.
Speaker 5 (17:17):
And I think it's important for us to document all
these mysteries from a scientific perspective because there again, as
I said at the meeting, that's part of our who
we are as humans, part of the reason why we uh,
you know, why we're fascinated, Why why people like you
come out to hear an old dude.
Speaker 2 (17:37):
Like me talk.
Speaker 6 (17:40):
Thank you for your question. Does anybody else have any questions.
Speaker 5 (17:43):
For Chris question or a story, a story there in
the peanut gallery.
Speaker 13 (17:57):
So if there's like among the list of yours were
alias of commental contact but kind of like secretly you're
only a highful of people have seen them or something
like that, Like why do they.
Speaker 4 (18:10):
Stay so secret? Like why don't they just come out
and say like, hey, what's up?
Speaker 5 (18:14):
Oh why don't they actually come down and land on
Parliament Hill or.
Speaker 2 (18:19):
Something like that?
Speaker 5 (18:20):
Yeah, because the RCMP would shoot them, but you know that,
So yeah.
Speaker 2 (18:27):
Why don't the aliens you know, finally make themselves? Don't?
And I mean, even though it's.
Speaker 5 (18:33):
Science fiction with you know, Star Trek has has this
you know principle, the prime directive that says you don't
you don't make yourself known to a primitive culture. And
we're about as primitive as you get. Stan Friedman, the
upologists who worked down the stats for many years, he
(18:55):
made the point of that, you know, our national pastime
where our world pastimes a little pastime, is killing each other.
You know, would you really want to have anything to
do with us if you you know, had any sense whatsoever,
you would you know, stay away? And other people would
say things like, you know, maybe the the UFOs, the
(19:15):
aliens in the UFOs look at this as a an
anthropology class from Zayda Reticuli, you know, where you can
occasionally come down and poke.
Speaker 2 (19:25):
A few of us, take a few of us as samples, have.
Speaker 5 (19:28):
Us run around in the cage and things like that,
and put us back down. But you know, by and
large you just leave us alone. Why would you want
to have anything to do with this primitive society whose
pastime is is killing each other?
Speaker 4 (19:40):
I have a question about that.
Speaker 14 (19:42):
Yes, there have been a number of programs where people
have been interviewed who have.
Speaker 4 (19:48):
Been abducted and they state.
Speaker 15 (19:51):
That the extraterrestrials have said, you know, I have a
message for you.
Speaker 4 (19:58):
If you don't sparten up, where gonna.
Speaker 15 (20:01):
Do something about it? So my question is we have
the missing link. So, in anthropology speaking, we have the
missing length with our evolution.
Speaker 14 (20:13):
Theories have gone spoken about maybe we were put here
by them and we are an experiment, and the missing
link is we're not evoliy fast enough.
Speaker 4 (20:24):
So let's step it up. And you've heard anything to
that story.
Speaker 2 (20:29):
Sure, the question was about it? What about a missing link?
Speaker 5 (20:31):
And you know, if you don't that humans did from
anthropological standing point, you know, humans had us being a
big jump in evolution, and one of the theories is
that that because the aliens came down and you know,
impregnant a few here and there.
Speaker 2 (20:49):
Sort of gave us a boost.
Speaker 5 (20:54):
And you know, there's a point of all this is
there's some great stories out there we just simply don't know.
Is it possible that the aliens are messing with their DNA?
Is it possible that, you know, the aliens are actually.
Speaker 2 (21:07):
Us from the future.
Speaker 5 (21:08):
Is it possible aliens are you know, trying to breed
other kinds of aliens. And there's a one great theory
that that smog is actually the natural atmosphere on whatever
the alien planet is. So that's why they're encouraging climate change.
This planets have to you know, make it more habitable
(21:29):
for them, and you know they're not far off right now.
I for one, we've got another thirty years before we
can't breathe the air, so you know that's you know
that maybe that's possible.
Speaker 2 (21:40):
It's true. There's so many of these great theories, and
it's it allows us to speculate on who we are
as humans. There's a great thing. I used to do
a lot of.
Speaker 5 (21:54):
Stuff with kids, and I was a judge for the
Amountoisk Science Fair for any and one of the projects
they had kids do here is instead of you know,
making their backboard and whatever, you know, making little volcanoes
or whatever, they would say to the kids, Okay, we're
(22:14):
gonna give you, uh an alien. And they say, let's
say there's an alien that's living on Mars, or an
alien that's living on Jupiter, or an alien that's living
on Neptune. What does it look like, how does it move,
what does it eat, how does it move around? How
(22:37):
does it you know, how does it communicate with others?
And that allow kids to speculate on all these great things.
You know, whether they had big ears and small ears,
how did how would to hear other things?
Speaker 2 (22:49):
Maybe in a rarefied atmosphere.
Speaker 5 (22:51):
It doesn't need that type of thing, but it's there's
all sorts of very simple things to ask, like why
do we have two eyes up here? Why aren't our
eyes down there? You know, where we're walking so that
if there's something we don't trip over it. And you know,
this is terribly inefficient to have a brifice here that
(23:13):
for breathing and eating.
Speaker 2 (23:15):
You'd think it would be more sensible. And why why
is two lates? Why not four?
Speaker 5 (23:21):
And you know, all these types of questions, and it
allows us to think about why we are the way
we are, and to think about.
Speaker 2 (23:29):
The possibility of what life elsewhere might look like.
Speaker 5 (23:34):
And most astronomers and scientists are of the opinion that
there probably is.
Speaker 6 (23:42):
Is it the perch?
Speaker 9 (23:55):
The aliens?
Speaker 7 (24:02):
They're crazy?
Speaker 9 (24:05):
I wanted to come down here so I can see it.
Speaker 2 (24:13):
Stop here. And and just as I was talking about
behavior and you wonder why the aliens to come down there?
Are you kidding me?
Speaker 6 (24:34):
They fly by our planet, lock the doors and roll up.
Speaker 2 (24:36):
The windows and keep going up, or as we commonly
call it, Thursday. I have a quick.
Speaker 6 (24:47):
Interjection in relation to what Teresa was asking.
Speaker 7 (24:51):
That's Teresa.
Speaker 6 (24:53):
Like alien blood RH negative. They cannot explain that, right, Like,
I mean, that's one of the weird things that they
think that maybe aliens.
Speaker 2 (25:04):
Brought to us. I don't know, Yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 5 (25:09):
I mean there are our blood is you know, it
has all these different blood types?
Speaker 2 (25:17):
Why do we need so many? Maybe you know some
of them are from from around here.
Speaker 6 (25:24):
Welcome it's not the.
Speaker 2 (25:29):
Lack of shame, it's thank you rank them dry.
Speaker 6 (25:38):
So I think lay had a question. Did you have
a question? Or you have a story?
Speaker 7 (25:43):
Or wrong?
Speaker 6 (25:44):
Or George or do you yes?
Speaker 1 (25:46):
Adam Adam?
Speaker 6 (25:48):
Oh, sorry, little utilations.
Speaker 2 (25:57):
We there's only two that I know of in Manitoba
that I oh, I didn't realize.
Speaker 5 (26:02):
Oh yeah, there was one on who was I talking
to from Tulon? There was one out by Twulon, oh
a number of years ago. Now we went out and
sure enough there was a desiccated cow in a field
the farmer had said we hadn't hadn't seen, didn't know
what happened to it, and found it and it was
(26:24):
pretty much dessicated.
Speaker 2 (26:26):
No sign of blood.
Speaker 5 (26:28):
And then there was a because I worked at the
University of Manitoba for many years and just adjacent to
where the Public Information Office used to be was managed
by agriculture, especially animal services, and somebody showed literally showed
up in a truck with a cow in the back,
(26:50):
a dead cow in the back of his pickup truck.
He was bringing it to a Manitoba agriculture and there
was a perfectly square cut of hide taken taken off
with this this cow, and he wanted somebody to look
at it.
Speaker 2 (27:07):
So we've had a couple of cases like that. And
what's I don't know what happened to it.
Speaker 5 (27:12):
You two, he took it to the matte Vanua culture
and they pathologists looked at it, and that's the last
I heard it.
Speaker 2 (27:19):
There was blood.
Speaker 5 (27:20):
But there's somebody Does somebody have a question in the
back there? Oh they moved removed the brand.
Speaker 2 (27:31):
That makes sense. That makes sense is somebody who know
you had a question?
Speaker 5 (27:40):
Yeah.
Speaker 16 (27:40):
So one of the big like to talk storylines right
now that's going on used to be like the Nasca mummies.
I'm not sure if you follow that storyline if you
have the opinions of one like a lot of the
evidence to suggest that it might be historically produced reproduction
(28:01):
rather than actual.
Speaker 2 (28:02):
Sayaleen mummies.
Speaker 16 (28:04):
And there's a lot of like iconography from the culture
that has all of these you know, three fingered it
bought like eight like entonies and such like that that
would suggest that there's something about their culture going back with.
Speaker 7 (28:21):
A thousand years that that may have led to the
creation of these mummies.
Speaker 17 (28:26):
If they are an old artifact.
Speaker 7 (28:28):
Like do you have any thoughts on that or any
ideas about where that's for from.
Speaker 5 (28:33):
The question was about Nasca mummies, and if you google
Nnasca mummies, there there's been a couple of these these
skeletons with some in some cases the stuff wrapped around them,
and it's mostly just skeletons that they're sort of in
the fetal position, and the story is that they were
(28:53):
found and that because they have a bone structure and
appearance unlike humans, maybe they're.
Speaker 2 (29:00):
You know, something else.
Speaker 5 (29:03):
The trouble is that the people who first brought them
to the attention of the world are people who have
done hookses.
Speaker 2 (29:13):
In the past.
Speaker 5 (29:14):
So it's sort of like the boy crying wolf if
you want to believe these guys again.
Speaker 2 (29:20):
And there have been some X rays that have been
done to show that depends on who you talk to.
Speaker 5 (29:25):
There's one group that says, you know, the x rays
show that these were pieces of various animals that were
sort of drafted together and faked, and the other ones say, no, no, no,
our scientists say that these are absolutely real and that
type of thing. I find it more difficult because the
big reveal of these mummies took place live on television
(29:48):
when they were wheeled out on a cart and they
were called, you know, one of the greatest scientific discoveries.
Speaker 2 (29:54):
Of all time. And that's not how you treat scientific discoveries.
You know, this was clearly a show.
Speaker 5 (30:01):
And so I have my serious doubts about these types
of things. But it's very popular, very controversial. But you know,
I haven't seen them. I haven't looked at them myself.
Speaker 2 (30:11):
But then I shouldn't look at them myself because I'm
not an anthropologist, so I don't know.
Speaker 7 (30:18):
Okay, all right, fellows, wait, we'll go You you were.
Speaker 2 (30:23):
First, Actually.
Speaker 17 (30:26):
You people actually.
Speaker 5 (30:32):
Calling down UFOs. Yeah, I have not heard of anybody
calling down.
Speaker 2 (30:40):
UFOs in Manitoba. But there's a couple of guys. There's
actually a documentary film.
Speaker 5 (30:47):
About the mad who talked to UFOs or something like that,
and uh.
Speaker 2 (30:53):
The idea is that he goes out and he can,
you know, you know, within.
Speaker 5 (30:57):
A few minutes after meditating or something, the ufoser here.
Speaker 2 (31:01):
But it depends on what you're you know, what you're
looking for.
Speaker 5 (31:05):
I mean, there's lots of things in the sky that
are already flying around, and most of the time, once
he's pointing to our just lights moving in the sky
and stuff like that. So whether he's actually doing it
or or something natural, I don't know, but I've heard
of those stories.
Speaker 2 (31:21):
Yeah, and you had a question.
Speaker 5 (31:25):
The uh the Canadian Minister of Defense Paul here heil.
Speaker 17 (31:31):
Here He's he came out like he was a pretty
minister of defense for Canada. He said there were aliens
like six different and he.
Speaker 2 (31:42):
Said, I think he did they love us.
Speaker 18 (31:44):
And I was like, I was like, that's kind of
crazy to talk a little bit because he's he was
in front of a big comedy when he said all this,
and so it's there's like six oh no, it's.
Speaker 2 (31:58):
Hard to well.
Speaker 5 (31:59):
This Paul Hellier and there's no question that fellow named
Paul Keller, the Honorable Paul Hellier was the Canadian Minister
of Defense from.
Speaker 2 (32:08):
Nineteen sixty I think two or three to nineteen sixty seven.
Speaker 5 (32:15):
And in about the year two thousand or two thousand
and one or two, he went public with his belief that, you.
Speaker 2 (32:26):
Know, there are lots of aliens out there and there's
government cover up and all this sort of stuff.
Speaker 5 (32:31):
And he knew this because of some buddy in the
American government who told him of his own the trouble
is that between nineteen sixty seven and the year two
thousand he had lost his security clearance and wouldn't have
had access to any of this information.
Speaker 2 (32:48):
And also when he himself saw.
Speaker 5 (32:51):
A UFO in the company of some of his friends,
he himself said it was because they were too drunk.
Speaker 2 (32:58):
And not only that, but on one of the later
shows he said that you're.
Speaker 5 (33:04):
Right, aliens are living among us as a matter of fact,
because they are alien shaped and they look alien. They
dress in nuns costumes and go to Las Vegas to
play the slide.
Speaker 2 (33:23):
This is the same guy who says the government is
coming up with folks.
Speaker 5 (33:26):
So, yes, he was Minister of Defense. But does that
automatically mean he's rational.
Speaker 2 (33:35):
Yeah, yeah, that's funny. So you know, but caveat emptor
I suppose.
Speaker 5 (33:42):
Yeah, yeah, Nick Pope. Yeah, I've gone drinking with Nick Pope.
He's a nice guy, you know, a very nice guy.
I think he had something to do with the British
government in terms of he was not the Minister Offense.
Speaker 2 (34:03):
No, he worked.
Speaker 5 (34:04):
He worked in the Ministry office as a clerk and
saw some UFO documents.
Speaker 1 (34:11):
He was not.
Speaker 5 (34:12):
Seen as.
Speaker 7 (34:19):
He was.
Speaker 2 (34:20):
Nick Pope was never the Ministry of Defense ry never never, never,
never any anybody else you again, like.
Speaker 7 (34:32):
One of the UH, I feel a.
Speaker 16 (34:35):
Lot of you know you mentioned lately of there's this
prevailing discussion and theory about the connections but.
Speaker 7 (34:45):
Aliens, And he goes back to like twenty ten there
was like.
Speaker 16 (34:48):
A lover by like Nigel Kerner about like aliens and
souls and how aliens are these AI beings created the artist.
Speaker 7 (34:57):
Students and these are lal thing and these soul fields
and how.
Speaker 19 (35:06):
They're harvesting them for things other planets and it's sort
of like this crossover of like Woo meats aliens meats
you know, like the supers.
Speaker 7 (35:17):
Have you ever looked at that?
Speaker 2 (35:19):
If you have any opinions about it?
Speaker 5 (35:21):
The question is, have I looked into the possibly that
aliens are UH crossovers with AI and gatherery, souls and
all that sort of stuff. The answer is no, I've
never looked into that. I'll think about it and get
(35:45):
back to you. My assistant Kelly will be to talk
to this at the next meeting.
Speaker 4 (36:01):
I don't think I can be friends with that.
Speaker 2 (36:02):
And then that's because.
Speaker 8 (36:08):
Is it really him?
Speaker 20 (36:12):
Question two part questions So I believe in UFOs. Oh no,
I tell you want me to answer that you what
do you mean by ufospace?
Speaker 5 (36:24):
Okay, my backgrounds in astronomy, So I think that aliens
are out there.
Speaker 2 (36:30):
Are they coming here? I haven't seen any proof, but
what people describe as.
Speaker 5 (36:37):
UFOs other than if I find objects are being seen
all the time by responsible people.
Speaker 2 (36:41):
Including pilots and you know the sort of thing. So
UFOs are real, are they necessarily alien spacecraft? I don't know.
Speaker 21 (36:50):
Okay, believe that people are telling you what the experience
is true, and there's some.
Speaker 2 (36:58):
People that yeah, yeah.
Speaker 16 (37:00):
So my second question is because galaxies are so far away,
or if upiles are actually coming here.
Speaker 2 (37:07):
You know, again, they could a point that they could
be invain and under Earth, and that's where we have
to get hold. But do you believe in worm holes
that actually be able to get your quicker? Because if
you try to travel one galaxy, I haven't take.
Speaker 17 (37:23):
You're talking a little bit part of the taking hundreds
of hundreds of thousand years.
Speaker 7 (37:29):
Light years to get So do you think that the
pupils are actually coming to Earth?
Speaker 2 (37:33):
What are they using the worm place to get your jade?
If you have thoughts on.
Speaker 5 (37:38):
So there's no proof that aliens are here, but if
aliens are traveling through wormholes or whatever another galaxy, they.
Speaker 2 (37:46):
Could be able to get here. And here's the here's
the science part of the night.
Speaker 5 (37:52):
I have to have what can increase some sciences, Uh,
actually for hard I mean I have to include some
sciences here. So, so.
Speaker 2 (38:05):
Our sun is it's a yellow star. You know, there's
stars of different colors in the sky.
Speaker 5 (38:14):
Our star, our son has been around for our son
has been around for you know, billions of years. But
there are stars that are a little bit older than
our sun, and there's stars a little bit younger than
our son. So if there was a planet around an
older star than our sun, and I'm talking not just
(38:36):
one hundred years, maybe five hundred years, a thousand years,
ten thousand years.
Speaker 2 (38:41):
Let's give it a million years just for the hell
of it.
Speaker 5 (38:45):
And let's say there's a life started on that planet
just like it started here, and they would have a
head start.
Speaker 2 (38:54):
Five hundred, one thousand, ten thousand, a million years.
Speaker 5 (38:59):
Maybe that civilization around that other star, we'll figure out
a way to use wormholes or come up with some
way of bending the laws of physics that we don't
know about yet, not break the laws of physics.
Speaker 2 (39:13):
But bend them.
Speaker 5 (39:14):
And given that there's a lot of stars out there,
it's very very likely that that might be a plausible scenario.
Speaker 2 (39:23):
So we don't see the direct.
Speaker 5 (39:26):
Evidence of aliens, but it's very possible if they're there,
and if they're that's smart. They might be able to
figure it a way to keep them held themselves hidden
from us or make us think that they're not there
at all. So it's actually scientifically possible to say the
aliens are out there and are here because you simply
can't recognize it. Do I believe that, you know, I'm
(39:49):
more of a doubting Thomas. Well, well, I'm skeptical, but
I do believe that it's possible. I don't dismiss things
out in hand.
Speaker 2 (39:59):
You know, I call a spade a spade. If somebody's
jerking my chain, I'm saying, hey, you know, come on,
But is it possible. Yeah, So if.
Speaker 5 (40:08):
If somebody comes to me with the UFO story or
ghost story, it's possible. But you know, we have to
you have to apply, you know, good common sense to
to what some of these stories, and it's possible.
Speaker 2 (40:22):
The common sense is yet there might be some aliens
out there. Thanks, there's somebody when we're there.
Speaker 4 (40:31):
The space.
Speaker 2 (40:36):
Yeah. Should now we get to the now we get
to the philosophy part. This is good. Should we contact aliens?
If we meet aliens, should we have anything to do
with them? There's some great science fiction movies and stories
(40:58):
about this.
Speaker 5 (41:01):
In fact, Stephen Hawking before he died, he had a
warning he didn't think that we should try to communicate
with aliens also in the universe, because if you make
yourselves known, they might want to come and conquer us.
Speaker 2 (41:17):
You know, flip how well that worked for North America.
You know, so that that is is a possibility. In fact,
there was a.
Speaker 5 (41:29):
Movie on Netflix, the Three Body Problem series of three books,
and the premise of the movie is what happens if
we accidentally, you know.
Speaker 2 (41:41):
Tell the universe, tell everyone else in the universe that
we're here, and aliens come to Earth and they basically
take us over.
Speaker 5 (41:49):
How you know, we're powerless because the aliens are so powerful.
Speaker 2 (41:52):
Because they're advanced. How you do it? So there is
that possibility.
Speaker 5 (41:59):
The other side of it is that maybe these aliens
are benevolent and have the cure for cancer. They have,
you know, ways of feeding the entire population, and they're
in give us the keys.
Speaker 2 (42:12):
To the kingdom, basically the keys to the universe.
Speaker 5 (42:16):
There's good reasons to hope for good aliens and bad
reasons to think of the bad aliens. But a very
valid point the philosophy of should we contact aliens?
Speaker 2 (42:31):
I'm ignoring. I don't know.
Speaker 1 (42:38):
Aside from Adam, is there anybody else has any questions
or comments or.
Speaker 5 (42:48):
We've already sent our information out to space and it's
been sent out on this record, but that record is
going to take ten thousand years to reach.
Speaker 2 (42:56):
The nearest star, so it's still out there, but nobody
will find it.
Speaker 7 (43:08):
In the bottom.
Speaker 2 (43:10):
You're really quiet today, ask.
Speaker 6 (43:12):
Well, I have a question, so kind of back to
the well.
Speaker 9 (43:17):
It's a mixture of the Hamilton House and Falcon Lake together.
So I already know the answered this question, but just
in case people out there are wondering, are there artifacts
from these events that people can go and look at
and where can they see them?
Speaker 2 (43:35):
My god, that's a great question. So the University of Anatoba.
Speaker 5 (43:41):
Does have a collection of interesting artifacts. They have some
of the photographs were taken from the Hamilton House, they
have some of the diaries and so forth, and they
have it in their paranormal collection. They have things like
bent spoons that were psychically bent, and tendulums and things
like that. And as part of our donation, they have
(44:05):
some of the artifacts in the Falcon La case.
Speaker 2 (44:09):
Including some Uh. They don't actually have the.
Speaker 5 (44:13):
Radioactive metal yet, but they're they're slated to be getting it,
so there are artifacts areout physical things that you can study.
As a matter of fact, we took them the radioactive
metal to the Manitoba Institute of Metal Urge and they
put it on their electron microscope and they looked at
(44:34):
it just a few years ago.
Speaker 6 (44:35):
Wo yeah, because it's still radioactive.
Speaker 2 (44:38):
It's still radioactive. It's I think you've been sitting under it.
You have another question back then, yeah, pardon.
Speaker 5 (44:55):
They're in the University of Manitoma archives and and from
time to time they do cut them out and put
them on the sleigh.
Speaker 4 (45:04):
I believe if you want to see them and they're
not on display, you.
Speaker 8 (45:07):
Can call ahead and ask for them to pull them out.
Speaker 4 (45:14):
No, really, you guys.
Speaker 2 (45:20):
Anymore, I like to go back to the butter tuckers.
Speaker 6 (45:29):
By the way, Yeah, I work beside it. That'd be sweet,
that'd be sweet. I think George had a question.
Speaker 4 (45:37):
Probably investigators before us.
Speaker 22 (45:39):
M George, I think you had a question to righteous
teaches people.
Speaker 2 (45:52):
Yes, yeah, I don't know how. I don't know how
many of you.
Speaker 5 (45:58):
Have you been out to the Tula Can and places
like that where they have the uh the uh peper farms.
Here in Manitoba, they actually have a public site, sacred
indigenous site of boulder outlines that are only visible from
the air, and they're in the outline of of turtles
and beavers and a large buffalo, that type of thing.
(46:21):
And the idea is that they were they have to
make them big so the sky people knew where you
know where to come?
Speaker 2 (46:28):
Suddenly about.
Speaker 9 (46:32):
All right, guys, where na let Adam ask one last question?
Speaker 2 (46:36):
I guess one last question? And then then they're picking
us out inside o'clock. Uh Jacks are Fanny.
Speaker 21 (46:44):
It was like a re known physicist, and he spoke
to being read into programs and up from like the
macade about under sea.
Speaker 7 (46:58):
Like extra tree for all facilities. Have you have you
ever heard of that?
Speaker 5 (47:06):
Or no?
Speaker 2 (47:13):
The day the days are only so large, but I
am I have a number of talks coming up. Just
so you know.
Speaker 5 (47:25):
I'm going to shag Harbor, Nova, Scotia, where the site
where the UFOs crashed at the end of September, to
talk at the Shag Harbor UFO conference, and I'm talking
about UFO crashes in Canada and there's more than one.
And then the following week I'm in thunder Bay with
these ladies and others to talk about unusual phenomena in
(47:50):
and around thunder Bay. And there's a lot of unusual things,
including the people who are living in thunder Bay. And
and and then the week after that, I'm at a
paranormal conference in Halifax talking about abductions.
Speaker 13 (48:07):
Nice.
Speaker 6 (48:08):
Well, you got that busy coming.
Speaker 2 (48:09):
Out, so it's a busy, busy busy.
Speaker 5 (48:11):
So I just want to say thank you very much
for inviting me on the podcast, Thank you for inviting
me coming, thank.
Speaker 6 (48:19):
You appreciating, thank you, Chris, thanks for the honor. Thank
you so much for joining us.
Speaker 1 (48:28):
You're Kelly.
Speaker 8 (48:30):
Okay, before you guys go, just a reminder that Winnipeg
Paranormal does have two investigations coming up in September.
Speaker 9 (48:40):
One is at the Saint James Museum on September thirteenth,
and the other one is out in Portage, Laprairie at
the Fort Lorraine Museum on September twenty eighth. Tickets are
on sales so you can.
Speaker 6 (48:51):
Find those on our Facebook page.
Speaker 1 (48:55):
And again, thank you for everybody that came out. If
you need to get a hold of these ladies, you
can contact them.
Speaker 9 (49:02):
At WPG Paranormal at gmail dot com or through our
Facebook page.
Speaker 1 (49:08):
And for ourselves, speaking on behalf of my pod partner,
who am I again giving Up the Ghost podcast? So
please check out episodes our every week every other week
you if you have any stories you'd like to share
with us, we'd.
Speaker 6 (49:22):
Love to hear it. And that is at Giving Up
the Ghost Podcast at gmail dot com.
Speaker 1 (49:26):
And again, just as we close out every show, we
say and remember to live every day like it is
your last.
Speaker 2 (49:34):
But never give up the ghosts.
Speaker 6 (49:35):
Never give up the ghost. Thank you guys.
Speaker 1 (49:44):
Sure, thank you so much.
Speaker 7 (49:45):
Chris, that was amazing, appreciate that problem.
Speaker 6 (49:47):
Okay, thank you, Sat, thank you.
Speaker 4 (49:49):
There's still a couple of books up here.
Speaker 1 (49:51):
Thank you, Thank you so much.
Speaker 7 (50:01):
Pass actions
Speaker 6 (50:10):
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