July 19, 2023 • 34 mins
Traveling the world on a cruise ship for college credit, backpacking Asia on a budget, a 7 week African safari, and the infamous wingsuit world traveling base jumper — Join us as we reflect back on the the first 50 episodes of the Globetrotters podcast and the lessons learned from various guests as chronicled on the show. Tune in as we also say goodbye to one of our co-hosts.
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You're listening to the Globetrotters Podcast,the show dedicated to bringing you fresh and
diverse perspectives from traveling enthusiasts all overthe world. We hope to show that
travel was so much more than howit's represented on social media and television by
bringing you real stories, thoughtful discussionson ethical issues, and investigations into how
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feel free to drop us a messageon our Instagram which is at Globetrotters Podcast,
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to hear from you. I'm yourco host Jonathan Otto and I'm MAXIML.
Gonzalez. In our last episode,John spoke with Julie Capelin, a young
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twenty three year old student who tooka two your break from her university to
work abroad and went on a fewtrips off the beaten path. In October
of twenty twenty one, Julie turneda one weekend trip in Iraq into four
months. Due to the impactful experience, she decided to film a twelve episode
docuseries about her travels to provide adifferent narrative and perspective on Iraq. If
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you've ever wondered what the Middle Eastand specifically Iraq is like for a Western
traveler, go back and listen tothat episode. Listen to Max. I
personally don't have any ranking of ourguests or any interviews we've ever done.
I think they're all incredible in theirown way. But that's definitely a recording
that left me in shah Canaw,definitely. And because of the pace of
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our episodes and what's been going onin our daily lives both professionally and personally,
we haven't had the chance to celebrateour milestone fiftieth podcast episode the way
we would have liked. I thinkSaskia, Max and myself have grown so
much since we first started doing this, and if you were to listen to
the first ten episodes, in thelast ten, you'll clearly see that our
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personalities and comfort behind the mic havechanged, right definitely. And so today
we have a special episode for allof you. We're going to pick out
a few clips from guests we haveinterviewed over the past fifty episodes that left
an imprint in our lives. It'sa little bit of a bittersweet recording though,
because today we'll be saying goodbye toone of our own. This will
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be the last episode that Saskia willbe featured on the Globe Trotter's podcast.
Luckily for all of us, shewanted to leave our listeners with a final
message, which we will play towardsthe end of this show. Yeah,
as you mentioned, the last tenepisodes compared to the first ten, we're
drastically different. It's been crazy toreflect and just kind of see the growth
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throughout our recordings and you know,just hear the different stories from our guests,
and you know, different narrative piecesthat we've had. It's just been
amazing to see. And like youmentioned, having Saskia leave us as drastic,
but we'll get to that when thetime comes. Fifty episodes, fifty
episodes of guests of us, pickering, of us having a good time,
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just shooting the blank, Max,How did you narrow down your picks?
Which two guests did you go with? So I chose two clips for very
different reasons. The first clip Ichose is from Brian Carlson or Crime Barlson,
as some of you may known byBrian traveled to Southeast Asiana budget,
I believe for six months and justhad incredible stories to tell. It was
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a really cool experience and hearing himtalk about it was amazing. The second
clip I chose to highlight is fromElena Connor, who embarked on the Seven
Weeks Afar throughout a number of countriesin Africa. Also another great episode and
can't wait to share that clip.Yeah, what about you? Yeah,
those are definitely memorable episodes, andyou know, I went with some.
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The first clip I went with iswith someone whose adventure was something I was
deeply, deeply jealous of, andthat is Daniel Seed and their study abroad
on the cruise ship while traveling theworld for college credits. Frankly, it's
not something I ever knew about beforeher interview, and I'm sure a lot
of actually, we got a lotof feedback of other people that said as
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much that you know, they werenow inspired to do something like that because
of that, and there's something withinthat episode that she shared that really stuck
out to me. The second clipI went with, it's actually something I've
been really hesitant to talk about sincehis fatal accident, and that is a
clip from my buddy Klin Dammers totraveling wingsuit bass jumper, and you know
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that one's a little bit more ofa personal It gets in my feels.
So Max, let's start with you. Why did you choose this clip from
Brian's episode. It was hard tonarrow it down to a specific clip,
but one thing that really stuck withme was the theme of breaking stigmas.
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Brian talks a lot about the Americanperception on travel, and he mentions a
few different times how his family andfriends were kind of like, you know,
in our shock that he was,you know again just going backpacking,
not a vacation, but backpacking andtraveling throughout countries plural. And I remember
hearing that when I was you know, how old was I like twenty two,
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twenty three something like that. Iremember hearing that from my family and
friends too, because it's just soit's not normal for Americans. You know,
you speak with people from Europe andAustralia and in truth, it's just
something you do after college or evenbefore college, whereas an America it's very
different. And so you know,this is a clip from episode thirty eight.
I'll let Brian tell it in hisown words, like that that was
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one of the things is like Ithink as an American traveler, like your
eyes really open up, you know. I was telling my friends is back,
I'm like, oh, I'm goingon this big trip to Asia,
and they thought I was just likeout of my mind, like like you're
going to Asia for like six monthsby yourself, Like do you know the
language? You know? This Likethey make it seem like this crazy scary
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place and then it out to thesecountries and kind of look around you see,
like the whole world's doing this,like almost except like Americans, right,
like right, you know, yousee you see all these young eighteen
year old Europeans and other backpackers aroundthe world, and like Australians. Australians
for sure, and once you getout there, it's not as scary as
you think. Like it felt veryreassuring just to see that like so many
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other people were also like in yoursame shoes backpacking around for cheap. Yeah.
I mean, I can see whythis episode is so relatable for you.
I mean I would say this.I know a lot of our listeners
don't necessarily know us on the personallevel, but I look at you and
Saskias, you know very yes,you're adventurous people, but also very well
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traveled. Where we've discussed this inthe past, that you like to do
adventures that are months on end,and I don't necessarily go on that those
types of trips. But even then, my family views me as this like
always try traveling type personality that andthey're always asking, you know, my
dad had this really funny saying wherehe would always be like um. In
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Spanish it's called variando, which translatesto up to no good every time he
knew I was going on the trip. So I don't know how your parents
felt about it or friends. Yeah, it was just it was very different.
I mean, obviously some of myfriends it was more jealous if anything.
I mean I don't mean that ina pedestal way, but like a
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lot of them were like, youknow, really working hard, and I
mean I work, you know,my butt off to save up for this.
I remember working like, you know, six jobs at one time and
not having a single day off foreight months just so I could spend you
know, three to four months backpackingobviously on a budget, you know,
not spending a lot and just kindof you know, trying to be there
in the moment. And so youknow, here and Brian talk about how
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Southeast Asia was a great beginner spot. You know, you get the culture
shock, it's financially feasible. It'sgorgeous, right, I mean, I
haven't been, I've seen photos,I've only heard. I can only imagine.
It's definitely on my list I needto go. But it's beautiful and
not as chaotic as you know someplaces may seem again seem and you know,
just to pivot back to what Brianis talking about in his episode,
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and you know, breaking stigmas.I think I've met a lot of people
especially and my parents still say itto this day whenever I go to a
third world country that they are scaredfor, you know, because they know
it's a third world country where I'vehad better experiences in those countries than I
ever had in western first world countries. I've been robbed in first world countries.
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That's never happened to me in anythird world country. We also talked
a little bit about this before therecording, that if there are certain types
of adventures you can only have once, or if they only exist at a
specific moment in your life. Andto be a little bit more specific,
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the clip we're going to talk aboutis Danielle's seat. It's from her study
abroad on the ship while traveling theworld. Just as a recap. Danielle
was a college student who went ona semester abroad with other twenty year olds
and young twenty year olds on thecruise ship around the world. It was
a great way for her to experiencea large portion of the world in a
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short amount of time. And listento this clip about how she breaks down
her experience as a young twenty yearold and what she thought it would have
been like as a thirty year old, as someone who wanted to travel but
you know, hadn't. It wasthe best thing that ever happened to me,
and it set me up for youa life of being open to anything
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and everything. And I think thatthat is something that you know, every
person on that ship would agree withthat. It just I think that it
would be a different experience if youwere thirty years old and you got on
and you did the same thing,because we could not have been more open,
We could not have been more likeI don't want to use the word
forgiving, but like, you know, just we would have listened to anyone's
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opinion on anything and taking it,you know, exactly how they wanted us
to. Like, we were justso ready to learn, and there were
no judgments there were, Like I'vethe group of people that were on that
ship was just a complete open groupof people that you know, we had
the craziest experiences with and the mostenriching experiences with because there were just no
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judgments, there were no expectations,all right, Max. And so this
is something that I'm super excited todiscuss with you because I have no idea
what you're going to say. Doyou think there are some travel experiences that
mean more to you because of thetime and age that they happened in.
Let me give you a personal example. At twenty one, I traveled around
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in a campervan in New Zealand forover a month. I had very little
money checkings or savings, but it'sthe most worry free moment I could ever
think of in my life. Tenyears later, at thirty, I'm worried
about my stock portfolio, down paymentsfor a house, saving money for kids
that don't even exist, you knowwhat I mean? Yeah, Obviously when
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you're younger, you just have wayless responsibilities or maybe you could have had
the same responsibilities, but you eitheractively or inactively chose not to, right,
So there's definitely I mean, agedefinitely plays a big part in it.
You know, the energy, thehealth, like you have the desire
to like go out all the time. And I remember backpacking Europe for the
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first time, I was going outat you know, four nights a week,
five nights a week, two weeksat a time, like just consecutively,
and now looking back on it,like I wouldn't be able to last
two days doing what I was doing, right, Yeah, And so like
specific experiences, I mean, Ithink it comes down to the physical limitations
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is pretty much what's going to holdyou down. If you have the mental
motivation to go out and do something, you want to hike a volcano,
you want to go river rafting,you want to you know, go on
to city tours in a day,walking tours in a day, like,
if you have the physical capability witha little bit of that mental to back
you up, I mean you're going. So as far as partying goes,
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at a younger age, I mean, you have way less to worry about
like you can deal with the hangoversand you're not worried about the beer belly,
Whereas now I'm like, how manycalories are in this ipa? You
know, like you know, thehangover the next day, I really have
to consider is it worth it?Am I What do I have plan for
the next day? Am I gonnareally hate myself? And you know,
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make not have the best time thatI can because I ended up having a
few more drinks this night. Gotmy age is really showing. Yeah,
really quick funny side note, Iwas literally just talking to my chiropractor about
this yesterday. We were discussing likewhich alcohols in beers are best to consume
at thirty plus just so that youlower the calories and the sugar levels.
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So the discussions I'm the discussions I'mhaving at thirty were very different than at
twenty. But something else, Saidanial It brings up in that clip that
to me captures the beautiful and romanticizedversion of traveling at that age, is
that you are carefree and you're kindof like this sponge where you're just absorbing
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everything and you're just down for everythingor almost everything. Where I think now
experience is the best teacher. Youwere talking about physical limitations earlier. It's
like, Hey, I've torn afew ligaments, broken a few bones,
doing some adventurous stuff that now youcan't convince me to do because I know
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there's a small chance that could happenagain, and I just don't want that
get hurt. It can't work.You got to be happy that you did
it, and I'm very happy thatI did. And there's a lot of
things I would still I would doagain if I could. But there are
probably tenfold old amount of things thatI have done that I wouldn't do again,
you know, not regretful, butI'm happy I did them when I
did them. Yeah, And thelast little thing I want to touch on
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here is the what makes this clipand just this episode very special to me.
Yes, all of our guests arevery cool and they've done things that
I have never done. This wasthe first one that I felt like a
sense of jealousy while I was listeningto her talk about her experience, because
I don't care. I would haveapplied to this, I would have made
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it happen one way or the other. To have had this type of opportunity
or experience studying abroad. It justI mean, how can you beat it.
You're literally, trust like circling theglobe, visiting all the continents,
getting the best bits of each countrythat you visit, and then packing up
with your friends and going on tothe next place and getting your degree at
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the same time. And we tryto act as a reso here on this
podcast. We'll make sure that weput up some resources for anyone that has
that wanderlust. I would love tosee a large portion of the world within
six months with other individuals or ageso they don't experience the same jealousy that
I do every day that I listenedto this or every time I listened to
this podcast. You don't want tobe laying on your chiropractor table regretting that
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you didn't sign up for semester atsea. So do it today, okay.
And before we get started and playthis clip, I do want to,
you know, kind of put alittle disclaimer of a trigger warning for
anyone that is maybe doesn't want tohear about someone talk about life and death,
especially someone that had a fatal accidentshortly after this conversation took place.
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So if you don't want to listento that, I would advise you skipping
over a few minutes so you canmove on to the next clip. I
understand that not everyone wants to listenor talk about such a serious topic on
a travel podcast, but we aretalking about fifty episodes that impacted us the
most, and I'd be lying ifI said that this clip isn't the one
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that sticks with me the most andis the hardest one to hear, And
every time I listen to it,it's it's it's a little heartbreaking for me
and just to tough to hear.Yeah, and I don't want to dwell
on this topic too too much longer, but I do want to ask,
because we're in this discussion, howdo you feel about, like the prospects
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of you dying doing this? Haveyou accepted that that might happen? I
think that's very personal. And thisalso comes out of a perspective of never
having had a major accident. I'veonly ever had a close call, so
it may be a bit naive forme to speak this way. But I
think the thing that really stuck outto me, and this is probably going
to be weird for some people tohear, is when the lot of people
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have near death experiences, they're like, you know, it changed and perpective
and how valuable what my life isand how I live it and live it
to the fullest and this and that. But for me, it was just
I couldn't have been more calm inthe moment, and the idea of me
dying was just kind of mildly interesting, and it after I was kind of
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the surprise I took was how littleit seemed to matter to me and how
not how not you know, peopleso insignificant. Part of the starts is
how how little we actually matter.M Max. It's very rare that you
get a chance to talk to someonewho embarks on that, you know,
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on this type of sport or adventuroussport or dangerous sport, whatever you want
to call it, and you gettheir thoughts about what it means to them
to be alive, what how theyinterpret the risk, and if it's worth
it. And that's one of themain reasons I didn't want to play this
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for for a long time, becauseit was just so painful to know that
within a few months of us havingthis conversation with him, that this happened.
But I know Saska was a bigproponent of you know, kind of
sharing his message and how he viewedthe experience. What are your thoughts about
it, Like you said, it'sit's very it's tough, and especially since
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it's not like he was just aguest who appeared on our show that we
you know, found on social mediaor online. He was your college housemate,
right, so roommate. You know, I've met him, I've technically
known him for years. And it'sone of those things where you hear about
people doing these sports and you're like, oh, yeah, it's super dangerous
and like, yeah, you knowthe stats, you know people have fatal
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accidents, but you never really everyoneconsiders it, but like it's always a
shock, like it's never going tobe easy learning, uh, you know,
hearing that news and so this,this episode and your tribute episode was
just man, I'm getting goosebumps,like thinking about it, like it was.
It was really hard. And justknowing him, like knowing him on
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a personal level outside of you know, online bios, knowing him outside of
Instagram and outside of the videos thathe's shot. It's wild. I don't
I don't have any other way reallyto describe it. It's and you know,
I've never actually had this conversation withyou. I don't know if there's
certain activities or adventures that you goon that you would consider risky. I
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think on my end, one ofthe things that I enjoy doing the most
is solo hiking, solo speed hikingto be to be precise, and usually
I like doing really hard stuff righthigh elevation, long distance, and doing
it by myself. It's very therapeutic. But there have been times that I've
put myself in situations where the outcomecould have gone horribly wrong, and I
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continue to do it because it makesme happy. He gives me a rush
and an excitement for life that,you know, I can't compare it with
anything else that I do. AndI'm sure there's a lot of people here
right now listening to this, andthey can think about that one thing that
makes them that if I were topost the question is this worth it for
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you? That they would probably sayyes, is there anything like that for
you? Not necessarily, I feellike I've been pretty I used to do
a bunch of risky things early on. I would say hiking and backpacking is
something I still do that you know, risky as you said, I've definitely
been on some sketch trails that Iprobably shouldn't have been that close to the
edge with and that kind of stuff. But I've been skydiving a few times
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and it's weird skydivings, creepy goingup, but then coming down it's fine.
It's just kind of I feel like, you don't think about it.
You can't think about it. What'sthe point, right, If you've already
committed and you're there. It's likeyou solo speed hiking, if you're miles
out and you're by yourself, youdon't start thinking about all the bad things
that can happen because you're already there. You're committed. And in that clip
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with Kalin, I think one ofthe more eye opening statements that he makes
is how insignificant and and don't takehim wrong. I think he even clarifies
this where he doesn't mean his lifedoesn't mean anything. It just means in
the grand scheme of things, whenyou think of big picture humanity, that
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he is one person among billions thatI've ever inhabited this planet. And I
can understand that, right. It'sone of those things where you know,
as horrible as it is, I'mso so stoked that he stuck doing what
he loved to do and he continuedto do it, and he did it
as much as he could, andhearing him express how much it meant to
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him, you know, I'm happythat he didn't do it a few times
and you know, cut it shortbecause it would be missing from his life.
And I think he knew that.Yeah, And I don't want our
listeners to be too depressed or anythinglike that, because at the end of
the day, when I do thinkabout him in the context of what he
was doing, you know, Iwant to celebrate my friend. I want
to tell people about the type ofperson that Calem was, what he did,
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and how much of a badass hewas. And you know, even
to this day, if I evershow people, like, you know,
picks or videos of what he did, everyone's just in awe because it really
is seeing the world in a verydifferent way that ninety nine percent of the
people that I've ever set foot onthis planet will never experience or you know,
comprehend. So, you know,even though it led to a very
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tragic outcome, his life should becelebrated and it was a very exciting life
while he was here and so movingon to our next guest SMAX, we
have Elena Connor from episode thirty five. Why Elena, Why this clip?
Well, as I mentioned, Elenawent on a seven weeks safari through a
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number of countries in Africa, andher episode was just so entertaining. I
loved all the stories. The logisticswere like I was itching to hear more,
just hearing your talk about the packingof the overland vehicle. You know
why the tents are separated the waythey are, how tough the tents have
to be. All the logistical partsI absolutely loved, and so I chose
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this clip because it really shows howyou can grow from travel. One of
the things that you mentioned to mewhile we're talking about other people in your
group is that this trip gave youthe best conflict management skills that you've ever
learned in your life. Can youtouch on that a little bit? Yeah,
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So it's funny I do this toofast, this skill. I think
when you are in compound, likea very small space right in the overland
track is still a very small space, and you are there with twenty one
people that you have never met beforein your life, and at some point,
each one of you gets to thepoints where you know you're upset for
a variety of reasons. I'm notused to waking up at five am as
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an example, right, or youknow, having so many limitations in your
daily life for forty eight days,like at some point everyone which is he's
a her limit and this is wherelike the most complex occur, and naturally
you have to figure your way throughthose because you still have to deal with
these people for the rest of thetrip. Right. You cannot have like
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an ongoing complex every single day.Yeah, yeah, I like your language
there, right, So you can'tlike if someone you can't avoid some of
those complex you have to actually resolvethese differences. I think having those some
of those conflicts in forty eight dayswhere different people taught me so much about
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Okay, how do you ideal withconflict? How I regulate my emotions?
Right, and like all of thoseabsolutely necessary skills in corporate worlds. Also
I can outside of corporate world,but you have it in such a dense
you know, space and a veryshort period of time. Yeah, I
mean I think a lot of times, you know, when we think about
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travel or see the pictures. Thelast question that you ask is what did
you learn from that experience? Itusually focuses around the experience or the adventure,
or how beautiful and scenic this placeis. But this, this is
a great clip, and I'm soglad that you picked it because this just
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you know, we ask all ofour guests a kind of one of the
last questions, what did you takeaway from this experience? And in a
Lena's case, she said she learnedmore about communicating and learning from others and
dealing with, you know, difficultsituations in six weeks or seven weeks on
this safari versus the two years thatshe was getting her MBA right. For
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me, it's the people skills.And I've experienced this too traveling, especially
at a younger age when I'm youknow, young, dumb and immature.
When you're traveling with people, andespecially a foreign you know, in foreign
land, you have to work thingsout. You have to communicate, and
you have to be able to creativelyresolve conflicts, and you have to not
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let your emotions get the best ofyou. You can't let these things,
you know, go, You haveto work them out. You have to
be adults, or at least tryto be adults and act like adults.
Right, So hearing her talk abouthow like you know, she was in
you know, on an African safari, you know, surrounded by all kinds
of very dangerous wildlife, there werestill human issues, right, human conflicts,
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and she was saying, like,you can't let this blow over for
two days. It's like you haveto resolve it now. And I just
I love that clip because it showshow impactful travel can be in terms of
you know, growth as a person. Right, Yeah, well greed,
And have you ever been in situationswhere you know, you were long term
traveling, maybe with obnoxious people,or maybe you were that obnoxious person.
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I think I would fit the moldfor a lot of you know, earlier
travel I would be that obnoxious person. But what about yourself? One percent
double edged sword there, right,Like I even if I didn't recognize it
at first, I'm sure I've beenthat annoying traveler that you know, got
on someone's nerves. And I've definitelyhad people get on my nerves. And
I'm usually I learned very early on. I can remember one specific situation in
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Albania when I was traveling with thesetwo Brits and one of them got upset
because I wouldn't finish my pizza crussand we had been back, like,
you know, traveling with each otherfor I think two weeks at this point.
We can't be friends if you don'tneed the pizza cross. I was
full. I not wont to wastefood, you know what I mean,
But I was. I was literallystuffed. The crust wasn't stuffed, but
I was, and I couldn't finishit. And he kind of just like
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exploded on me because I literally wasgoing to throw away like three pizza cruss,
you know. And it was oneof those things where we like had
you know, we were walking inAlbania going back to the hostel, and
you know, we're by the beachand we're both walking in our flip flops,
and we're clearly like you know,pissed at each other, and you
know, at one point, I'mjust like, hey man, we got
to clear this up. You know, I'm not wasteful. I don't you
know, waste food. I'm justreally full. I see where we were
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going with that. I'll save itand give it to a you know,
a stray dog or something like.I was like, let's say you were
going to say a homeless person.But you said it straight dog, you
know, either one fair enough.Everyone needs to eat. Yeah, but
yeah, there's definitely been times whereI've been the annoying person. And you
know, I've definitely had people belike, hey, you kind of annoy
my sarcasms very dry. I don'tshow it too much on the podcast,
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but I know I've definitely annoyed peoplewith my my what I would consider witty
humor. And I definitely had peoplelike, you know, approach me and
be like hey, like, youknow, that comment either wasn't cool or
it hurt my feelings, or likehey, that wasn't funny. And you
know, I'm quick to apologize.I don't mean to offend anyone. Ninety
nine percent of the time, Idon't mean to offend anyone. I mean,
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truthfully, I'll say I didn't havethese this mentality or these types of
skills that will lend them mentions untilI was about twenty five twenty six,
So to anyone that I met inmy travels before that, like, I
truly apologize. I've grown as aperson and as a man since. But
yeah, conflict resolution is one hellof a skill to have. I think
about our first meeting during COVID oftwenty twenty and how far we've come as
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a three. It's bittersweet to seeSaskia move on to a different chapter of
her life. If somehow this isthe first episode you are listening to from
the Globetrotters podcast. Saskia is oneof the original co host editor and the
ball ball, a friend that startedthis journey with us. After fifty episodes,
she has moved on, but didn'twant to do so without dressing all
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of y'all. First. Hey,everyone, this is Saskia, one of
the hosts of The Globe Trotter's podcast. You may have noticed that I've been
a little less present lately, andthat's because last month I decided that I
was going to leave The Globe Trotter'sPodcast. And I'll briefly explain why John
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Max and I started this podcast notreally knowing what we were doing, and
that was kind of the beauty ofit. This was such a learning experience
for me, creating a podcast fromscratch, having never hosted or edited a
podcast before, and just jumping inthe deep end and trying. And that's
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what I set out to do,and that's what I did. I have
a lot of reasons for moving onfrom the podcast, and I won't bore
you with all of them, butone of them is that I simply don't
think I have enough time in myschedule to dedicate the amount of time that
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I want to. I have someother projects that I want to work on,
and I also just got a newjob, and I'll be moving across
the country next week, which isreally big for me. Also, we
all live far away from each other. Maintaining a podcast virtually is extremely difficult,
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and I think that it took atoll on me mentally, not being
able to kick back after an episodeand just have a drink or a coffee
with my coworkers. I also justwanted to connect with guests one on one
and with my co hosts, andthat's just not going to be possible.
And so yeah, I just decidedit was time to move on. I'm
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so proud of what we achieved.I'm so proud of what I learned,
and I'm really grateful for the peoplewho did tune in. We're by no
means a big podcast, and wehaven't gone viral or anything like that,
but we have had listeners show upweek after week and that's really cool,
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so genuinely thank you for supporting us. Thanks Globetrotters, it's been fun.
A big thank you to Max andJohn for being great partners creative differences aside,
both of them are wonderful people andI'm sure that shines through and we'll
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shine through in future work. We'llsee. If you're interested, you can
find me on Instagram at Saskia sA s s k I A and five
Underscores. Future adventures and photography andwork will be posted on there. All
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right, take care, safe travelsbye. Again. We thank Saskia for
time, ideas, and efforts inthis podcast and we wish her the best
in her next adventure. Definitely.As John mentioned, Saskia has just done
an amazing job with her time atthe Globetrotters podcast and just cannot thank her
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enough and want to make sure thatthe listeners know that she has put her
heart and soul into this podcast andas much as it hurts to see her
leave, we're stoked for her nextadventure and wish her all the best.
And for all of our guests,we wanted to hear from you. We
aspire to inspire before we expire onthis podcast, and we learned just as
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much from our guests as you do, if not more from being able to
speak to them, you know duringthe pre interview face. It's the entire
thing has just been overwhelmingly positive andjoyous and educational for me as a podcaster,
and I hope the same can besaid for us a listener. Agreed,
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we again would love to hear fromyou. Feel free tell us what
are some of your favorite episodes?What are your favorite topics? Were there
any clips in particular that you likethat you kind of stuck with you let
us know by writing us an emailat Hello at GTS podcast dot com,
or writing us on Instagram at Globetrotterspodcast, or even on Twitter at globetrot
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was done by our very own JonathanOtero. Until next time,
You're listening to the Globetrotters Podcast,the show dedicated to bringing you fresh and
diverse perspectives from traveling enthusiasts all overthe world. We hope to show that
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feel free to drop us a messageon our Instagram which is at Globetrotters Podcast,
or on our website www dot GTSpodcast dot com. We always want
to hear from you. I'm yourco host Jonathan Otto and I'm MAXIML.
Gonzalez. In our last episode,John spoke with Julie Capelin, a young
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twenty three year old student who tooka two your break from her university to
work abroad and went on a fewtrips off the beaten path. In October
of twenty twenty one, Julie turneda one weekend trip in Iraq into four
months. Due to the impactful experience, she decided to film a twelve episode
docuseries about her travels to provide adifferent narrative and perspective on Iraq. If
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you've ever wondered what the Middle Eastand specifically Iraq is like for a Western
traveler, go back and listen tothat episode. Listen to Max. I
personally don't have any ranking of ourguests or any interviews we've ever done.
I think they're all incredible in theirown way. But that's definitely a recording
that left me in shah Canaw,definitely. And because of the pace of
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our episodes and what's been going onin our daily lives both professionally and personally,
we haven't had the chance to celebrateour milestone fiftieth podcast episode the way
we would have liked. I thinkSaskia, Max and myself have grown so
much since we first started doing this, and if you were to listen to
the first ten episodes, in thelast ten, you'll clearly see that our
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personalities and comfort behind the mic havechanged, right definitely. And so today
we have a special episode for allof you. We're going to pick out
a few clips from guests we haveinterviewed over the past fifty episodes that left
an imprint in our lives. It'sa little bit of a bittersweet recording though,
because today we'll be saying goodbye toone of our own. This will
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be the last episode that Saskia willbe featured on the Globe Trotter's podcast.
Luckily for all of us, shewanted to leave our listeners with a final
message, which we will play towardsthe end of this show. Yeah,
as you mentioned, the last tenepisodes compared to the first ten, we're
drastically different. It's been crazy toreflect and just kind of see the growth
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throughout our recordings and you know,just hear the different stories from our guests,
and you know, different narrative piecesthat we've had. It's just been
amazing to see. And like youmentioned, having Saskia leave us as drastic,
but we'll get to that when thetime comes. Fifty episodes, fifty
episodes of guests of us, pickering, of us having a good time,
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just shooting the blank, Max,How did you narrow down your picks?
Which two guests did you go with? So I chose two clips for very
different reasons. The first clip Ichose is from Brian Carlson or Crime Barlson,
as some of you may known byBrian traveled to Southeast Asiana budget,
I believe for six months and justhad incredible stories to tell. It was
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a really cool experience and hearing himtalk about it was amazing. The second
clip I chose to highlight is fromElena Connor, who embarked on the Seven
Weeks Afar throughout a number of countriesin Africa. Also another great episode and
can't wait to share that clip.Yeah, what about you? Yeah,
those are definitely memorable episodes, andyou know, I went with some.
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The first clip I went with iswith someone whose adventure was something I was
deeply, deeply jealous of, andthat is Daniel Seed and their study abroad
on the cruise ship while traveling theworld for college credits. Frankly, it's
not something I ever knew about beforeher interview, and I'm sure a lot
of actually, we got a lotof feedback of other people that said as
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much that you know, they werenow inspired to do something like that because
of that, and there's something withinthat episode that she shared that really stuck
out to me. The second clipI went with, it's actually something I've
been really hesitant to talk about sincehis fatal accident, and that is a
clip from my buddy Klin Dammers totraveling wingsuit bass jumper, and you know
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that one's a little bit more ofa personal It gets in my feels.
So Max, let's start with you. Why did you choose this clip from
Brian's episode. It was hard tonarrow it down to a specific clip,
but one thing that really stuck withme was the theme of breaking stigmas.
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Brian talks a lot about the Americanperception on travel, and he mentions a
few different times how his family andfriends were kind of like, you know,
in our shock that he was,you know again just going backpacking,
not a vacation, but backpacking andtraveling throughout countries plural. And I remember
hearing that when I was you know, how old was I like twenty two,
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twenty three something like that. Iremember hearing that from my family and
friends too, because it's just soit's not normal for Americans. You know,
you speak with people from Europe andAustralia and in truth, it's just
something you do after college or evenbefore college, whereas an America it's very
different. And so you know,this is a clip from episode thirty eight.
I'll let Brian tell it in hisown words, like that that was
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one of the things is like Ithink as an American traveler, like your
eyes really open up, you know. I was telling my friends is back,
I'm like, oh, I'm goingon this big trip to Asia,
and they thought I was just likeout of my mind, like like you're
going to Asia for like six monthsby yourself, Like do you know the
language? You know? This Likethey make it seem like this crazy scary
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place and then it out to thesecountries and kind of look around you see,
like the whole world's doing this,like almost except like Americans, right,
like right, you know, yousee you see all these young eighteen
year old Europeans and other backpackers aroundthe world, and like Australians. Australians
for sure, and once you getout there, it's not as scary as
you think. Like it felt veryreassuring just to see that like so many
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other people were also like in yoursame shoes backpacking around for cheap. Yeah.
I mean, I can see whythis episode is so relatable for you.
I mean I would say this.I know a lot of our listeners
don't necessarily know us on the personallevel, but I look at you and
Saskias, you know very yes,you're adventurous people, but also very well
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traveled. Where we've discussed this inthe past, that you like to do
adventures that are months on end,and I don't necessarily go on that those
types of trips. But even then, my family views me as this like
always try traveling type personality that andthey're always asking, you know, my
dad had this really funny saying wherehe would always be like um. In
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Spanish it's called variando, which translatesto up to no good every time he
knew I was going on the trip. So I don't know how your parents
felt about it or friends. Yeah, it was just it was very different.
I mean, obviously some of myfriends it was more jealous if anything.
I mean I don't mean that ina pedestal way, but like a
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lot of them were like, youknow, really working hard, and I
mean I work, you know,my butt off to save up for this.
I remember working like, you know, six jobs at one time and
not having a single day off foreight months just so I could spend you
know, three to four months backpackingobviously on a budget, you know,
not spending a lot and just kindof you know, trying to be there
in the moment. And so youknow, here and Brian talk about how
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Southeast Asia was a great beginner spot. You know, you get the culture
shock, it's financially feasible. It'sgorgeous, right, I mean, I
haven't been, I've seen photos,I've only heard. I can only imagine.
It's definitely on my list I needto go. But it's beautiful and
not as chaotic as you know someplaces may seem again seem and you know,
just to pivot back to what Brianis talking about in his episode,
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and you know, breaking stigmas.I think I've met a lot of people
especially and my parents still say itto this day whenever I go to a
third world country that they are scaredfor, you know, because they know
it's a third world country where I'vehad better experiences in those countries than I
ever had in western first world countries. I've been robbed in first world countries.
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That's never happened to me in anythird world country. We also talked
a little bit about this before therecording, that if there are certain types
of adventures you can only have once, or if they only exist at a
specific moment in your life. Andto be a little bit more specific,
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the clip we're going to talk aboutis Danielle's seat. It's from her study
abroad on the ship while traveling theworld. Just as a recap. Danielle
was a college student who went ona semester abroad with other twenty year olds
and young twenty year olds on thecruise ship around the world. It was
a great way for her to experiencea large portion of the world in a
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short amount of time. And listento this clip about how she breaks down
her experience as a young twenty yearold and what she thought it would have
been like as a thirty year old, as someone who wanted to travel but
you know, hadn't. It wasthe best thing that ever happened to me,
and it set me up for youa life of being open to anything
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and everything. And I think thatthat is something that you know, every
person on that ship would agree withthat. It just I think that it
would be a different experience if youwere thirty years old and you got on
and you did the same thing,because we could not have been more open,
We could not have been more likeI don't want to use the word
forgiving, but like, you know, just we would have listened to anyone's
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opinion on anything and taking it,you know, exactly how they wanted us
to. Like, we were justso ready to learn, and there were
no judgments there were, Like I'vethe group of people that were on that
ship was just a complete open groupof people that you know, we had
the craziest experiences with and the mostenriching experiences with because there were just no
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judgments, there were no expectations,all right, Max. And so this
is something that I'm super excited todiscuss with you because I have no idea
what you're going to say. Doyou think there are some travel experiences that
mean more to you because of thetime and age that they happened in.
Let me give you a personal example. At twenty one, I traveled around
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in a campervan in New Zealand forover a month. I had very little
money checkings or savings, but it'sthe most worry free moment I could ever
think of in my life. Tenyears later, at thirty, I'm worried
about my stock portfolio, down paymentsfor a house, saving money for kids
that don't even exist, you knowwhat I mean? Yeah, Obviously when
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you're younger, you just have wayless responsibilities or maybe you could have had
the same responsibilities, but you eitheractively or inactively chose not to, right,
So there's definitely I mean, agedefinitely plays a big part in it.
You know, the energy, thehealth, like you have the desire
to like go out all the time. And I remember backpacking Europe for the
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first time, I was going outat you know, four nights a week,
five nights a week, two weeksat a time, like just consecutively,
and now looking back on it,like I wouldn't be able to last
two days doing what I was doing, right, Yeah, And so like
specific experiences, I mean, Ithink it comes down to the physical limitations
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is pretty much what's going to holdyou down. If you have the mental
motivation to go out and do something, you want to hike a volcano,
you want to go river rafting,you want to you know, go on
to city tours in a day,walking tours in a day, like,
if you have the physical capability witha little bit of that mental to back
you up, I mean you're going. So as far as partying goes,
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at a younger age, I mean, you have way less to worry about
like you can deal with the hangoversand you're not worried about the beer belly,
Whereas now I'm like, how manycalories are in this ipa? You
know, like you know, thehangover the next day, I really have
to consider is it worth it?Am I What do I have plan for
the next day? Am I gonnareally hate myself? And you know,
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make not have the best time thatI can because I ended up having a
few more drinks this night. Gotmy age is really showing. Yeah,
really quick funny side note, Iwas literally just talking to my chiropractor about
this yesterday. We were discussing likewhich alcohols in beers are best to consume
at thirty plus just so that youlower the calories and the sugar levels.
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So the discussions I'm the discussions I'mhaving at thirty were very different than at
twenty. But something else, Saidanial It brings up in that clip that
to me captures the beautiful and romanticizedversion of traveling at that age, is
that you are carefree and you're kindof like this sponge where you're just absorbing
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everything and you're just down for everythingor almost everything. Where I think now
experience is the best teacher. Youwere talking about physical limitations earlier. It's
like, Hey, I've torn afew ligaments, broken a few bones,
doing some adventurous stuff that now youcan't convince me to do because I know
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there's a small chance that could happenagain, and I just don't want that
get hurt. It can't work.You got to be happy that you did
it, and I'm very happy thatI did. And there's a lot of
things I would still I would doagain if I could. But there are
probably tenfold old amount of things thatI have done that I wouldn't do again,
you know, not regretful, butI'm happy I did them when I
did them. Yeah, And thelast little thing I want to touch on
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here is the what makes this clipand just this episode very special to me.
Yes, all of our guests arevery cool and they've done things that
I have never done. This wasthe first one that I felt like a
sense of jealousy while I was listeningto her talk about her experience, because
I don't care. I would haveapplied to this, I would have made
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it happen one way or the other. To have had this type of opportunity
or experience studying abroad. It justI mean, how can you beat it.
You're literally, trust like circling theglobe, visiting all the continents,
getting the best bits of each countrythat you visit, and then packing up
with your friends and going on tothe next place and getting your degree at
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the same time. And we tryto act as a reso here on this
podcast. We'll make sure that weput up some resources for anyone that has
that wanderlust. I would love tosee a large portion of the world within
six months with other individuals or ageso they don't experience the same jealousy that
I do every day that I listenedto this or every time I listened to
this podcast. You don't want tobe laying on your chiropractor table regretting that
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you didn't sign up for semester atsea. So do it today, okay.
And before we get started and playthis clip, I do want to,
you know, kind of put alittle disclaimer of a trigger warning for
anyone that is maybe doesn't want tohear about someone talk about life and death,
especially someone that had a fatal accidentshortly after this conversation took place.
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So if you don't want to listento that, I would advise you skipping
over a few minutes so you canmove on to the next clip. I
understand that not everyone wants to listenor talk about such a serious topic on
a travel podcast, but we aretalking about fifty episodes that impacted us the
most, and I'd be lying ifI said that this clip isn't the one
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that sticks with me the most andis the hardest one to hear, And
every time I listen to it,it's it's it's a little heartbreaking for me
and just to tough to hear.Yeah, and I don't want to dwell
on this topic too too much longer, but I do want to ask,
because we're in this discussion, howdo you feel about, like the prospects
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of you dying doing this? Haveyou accepted that that might happen? I
think that's very personal. And thisalso comes out of a perspective of never
having had a major accident. I'veonly ever had a close call, so
it may be a bit naive forme to speak this way. But I
think the thing that really stuck outto me, and this is probably going
to be weird for some people tohear, is when the lot of people
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have near death experiences, they're like, you know, it changed and perpective
and how valuable what my life isand how I live it and live it
to the fullest and this and that. But for me, it was just
I couldn't have been more calm inthe moment, and the idea of me
dying was just kind of mildly interesting, and it after I was kind of
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the surprise I took was how littleit seemed to matter to me and how
not how not you know, peopleso insignificant. Part of the starts is
how how little we actually matter.M Max. It's very rare that you
get a chance to talk to someonewho embarks on that, you know,
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on this type of sport or adventuroussport or dangerous sport, whatever you want
to call it, and you gettheir thoughts about what it means to them
to be alive, what how theyinterpret the risk, and if it's worth
it. And that's one of themain reasons I didn't want to play this
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for for a long time, becauseit was just so painful to know that
within a few months of us havingthis conversation with him, that this happened.
But I know Saska was a bigproponent of you know, kind of
sharing his message and how he viewedthe experience. What are your thoughts about
it, Like you said, it'sit's very it's tough, and especially since
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it's not like he was just aguest who appeared on our show that we
you know, found on social mediaor online. He was your college housemate,
right, so roommate. You know, I've met him, I've technically
known him for years. And it'sone of those things where you hear about
people doing these sports and you're like, oh, yeah, it's super dangerous
and like, yeah, you knowthe stats, you know people have fatal
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accidents, but you never really everyoneconsiders it, but like it's always a
shock, like it's never going tobe easy learning, uh, you know,
hearing that news and so this,this episode and your tribute episode was
just man, I'm getting goosebumps,like thinking about it, like it was.
It was really hard. And justknowing him, like knowing him on
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a personal level outside of you know, online bios, knowing him outside of
Instagram and outside of the videos thathe's shot. It's wild. I don't
I don't have any other way reallyto describe it. It's and you know,
I've never actually had this conversation withyou. I don't know if there's
certain activities or adventures that you goon that you would consider risky. I
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think on my end, one ofthe things that I enjoy doing the most
is solo hiking, solo speed hikingto be to be precise, and usually
I like doing really hard stuff righthigh elevation, long distance, and doing
it by myself. It's very therapeutic. But there have been times that I've
put myself in situations where the outcomecould have gone horribly wrong, and I
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continue to do it because it makesme happy. He gives me a rush
and an excitement for life that,you know, I can't compare it with
anything else that I do. AndI'm sure there's a lot of people here
right now listening to this, andthey can think about that one thing that
makes them that if I were topost the question is this worth it for
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you? That they would probably sayyes, is there anything like that for
you? Not necessarily, I feellike I've been pretty I used to do
a bunch of risky things early on. I would say hiking and backpacking is
something I still do that you know, risky as you said, I've definitely
been on some sketch trails that Iprobably shouldn't have been that close to the
edge with and that kind of stuff. But I've been skydiving a few times
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and it's weird skydivings, creepy goingup, but then coming down it's fine.
It's just kind of I feel like, you don't think about it.
You can't think about it. What'sthe point, right, If you've already
committed and you're there. It's likeyou solo speed hiking, if you're miles
out and you're by yourself, youdon't start thinking about all the bad things
that can happen because you're already there. You're committed. And in that clip
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with Kalin, I think one ofthe more eye opening statements that he makes
is how insignificant and and don't takehim wrong. I think he even clarifies
this where he doesn't mean his lifedoesn't mean anything. It just means in
the grand scheme of things, whenyou think of big picture humanity, that
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he is one person among billions thatI've ever inhabited this planet. And I
can understand that, right. It'sone of those things where you know,
as horrible as it is, I'mso so stoked that he stuck doing what
he loved to do and he continuedto do it, and he did it
as much as he could, andhearing him express how much it meant to
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him, you know, I'm happythat he didn't do it a few times
and you know, cut it shortbecause it would be missing from his life.
And I think he knew that.Yeah, And I don't want our
listeners to be too depressed or anythinglike that, because at the end of
the day, when I do thinkabout him in the context of what he
was doing, you know, Iwant to celebrate my friend. I want
to tell people about the type ofperson that Calem was, what he did,
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and how much of a badass hewas. And you know, even
to this day, if I evershow people, like, you know,
picks or videos of what he did, everyone's just in awe because it really
is seeing the world in a verydifferent way that ninety nine percent of the
people that I've ever set foot onthis planet will never experience or you know,
comprehend. So, you know,even though it led to a very
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tragic outcome, his life should becelebrated and it was a very exciting life
while he was here and so movingon to our next guest SMAX, we
have Elena Connor from episode thirty five. Why Elena, Why this clip?
Well, as I mentioned, Elenawent on a seven weeks safari through a
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number of countries in Africa, andher episode was just so entertaining. I
loved all the stories. The logisticswere like I was itching to hear more,
just hearing your talk about the packingof the overland vehicle. You know
why the tents are separated the waythey are, how tough the tents have
to be. All the logistical partsI absolutely loved, and so I chose
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this clip because it really shows howyou can grow from travel. One of
the things that you mentioned to mewhile we're talking about other people in your
group is that this trip gave youthe best conflict management skills that you've ever
learned in your life. Can youtouch on that a little bit? Yeah,
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So it's funny I do this toofast, this skill. I think
when you are in compound, likea very small space right in the overland
track is still a very small space, and you are there with twenty one
people that you have never met beforein your life, and at some point,
each one of you gets to thepoints where you know you're upset for
a variety of reasons. I'm notused to waking up at five am as
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an example, right, or youknow, having so many limitations in your
daily life for forty eight days,like at some point everyone which is he's
a her limit and this is wherelike the most complex occur, and naturally
you have to figure your way throughthose because you still have to deal with
these people for the rest of thetrip. Right. You cannot have like
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an ongoing complex every single day.Yeah, yeah, I like your language
there, right, So you can'tlike if someone you can't avoid some of
those complex you have to actually resolvethese differences. I think having those some
of those conflicts in forty eight dayswhere different people taught me so much about
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Okay, how do you ideal withconflict? How I regulate my emotions?
Right, and like all of thoseabsolutely necessary skills in corporate worlds. Also
I can outside of corporate world,but you have it in such a dense
you know, space and a veryshort period of time. Yeah, I
mean I think a lot of times, you know, when we think about
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travel or see the pictures. Thelast question that you ask is what did
you learn from that experience? Itusually focuses around the experience or the adventure,
or how beautiful and scenic this placeis. But this, this is
a great clip, and I'm soglad that you picked it because this just
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you know, we ask all ofour guests a kind of one of the
last questions, what did you takeaway from this experience? And in a
Lena's case, she said she learnedmore about communicating and learning from others and
dealing with, you know, difficultsituations in six weeks or seven weeks on
this safari versus the two years thatshe was getting her MBA right. For
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me, it's the people skills.And I've experienced this too traveling, especially
at a younger age when I'm youknow, young, dumb and immature.
When you're traveling with people, andespecially a foreign you know, in foreign
land, you have to work thingsout. You have to communicate, and
you have to be able to creativelyresolve conflicts, and you have to not
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let your emotions get the best ofyou. You can't let these things,
you know, go, You haveto work them out. You have to
be adults, or at least tryto be adults and act like adults.
Right, So hearing her talk abouthow like you know, she was in
you know, on an African safari, you know, surrounded by all kinds
of very dangerous wildlife, there werestill human issues, right, human conflicts,
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and she was saying, like,you can't let this blow over for
two days. It's like you haveto resolve it now. And I just
I love that clip because it showshow impactful travel can be in terms of
you know, growth as a person. Right, Yeah, well greed,
And have you ever been in situationswhere you know, you were long term
traveling, maybe with obnoxious people,or maybe you were that obnoxious person.
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I think I would fit the moldfor a lot of you know, earlier
travel I would be that obnoxious person. But what about yourself? One percent
double edged sword there, right,Like I even if I didn't recognize it
at first, I'm sure I've beenthat annoying traveler that you know, got
on someone's nerves. And I've definitelyhad people get on my nerves. And
I'm usually I learned very early on. I can remember one specific situation in
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Albania when I was traveling with thesetwo Brits and one of them got upset
because I wouldn't finish my pizza crussand we had been back, like,
you know, traveling with each otherfor I think two weeks at this point.
We can't be friends if you don'tneed the pizza cross. I was
full. I not wont to wastefood, you know what I mean,
But I was. I was literallystuffed. The crust wasn't stuffed, but
I was, and I couldn't finishit. And he kind of just like
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exploded on me because I literally wasgoing to throw away like three pizza cruss,
you know. And it was oneof those things where we like had
you know, we were walking inAlbania going back to the hostel, and
you know, we're by the beachand we're both walking in our flip flops,
and we're clearly like you know,pissed at each other, and you
know, at one point, I'mjust like, hey man, we got
to clear this up. You know, I'm not wasteful. I don't you
know, waste food. I'm justreally full. I see where we were
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going with that. I'll save itand give it to a you know,
a stray dog or something like.I was like, let's say you were
going to say a homeless person.But you said it straight dog, you
know, either one fair enough.Everyone needs to eat. Yeah, but
yeah, there's definitely been times whereI've been the annoying person. And you
know, I've definitely had people belike, hey, you kind of annoy
my sarcasms very dry. I don'tshow it too much on the podcast,
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but I know I've definitely annoyed peoplewith my my what I would consider witty
humor. And I definitely had peoplelike, you know, approach me and
be like hey, like, youknow, that comment either wasn't cool or
it hurt my feelings, or likehey, that wasn't funny. And you
know, I'm quick to apologize.I don't mean to offend anyone. Ninety
nine percent of the time, Idon't mean to offend anyone. I mean,
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truthfully, I'll say I didn't havethese this mentality or these types of
skills that will lend them mentions untilI was about twenty five twenty six,
So to anyone that I met inmy travels before that, like, I
truly apologize. I've grown as aperson and as a man since. But
yeah, conflict resolution is one hellof a skill to have. I think
about our first meeting during COVID oftwenty twenty and how far we've come as
(29:29):
a three. It's bittersweet to seeSaskia move on to a different chapter of
her life. If somehow this isthe first episode you are listening to from
the Globetrotters podcast. Saskia is oneof the original co host editor and the
ball ball, a friend that startedthis journey with us. After fifty episodes,
she has moved on, but didn'twant to do so without dressing all
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of y'all. First. Hey,everyone, this is Saskia, one of
the hosts of The Globe Trotter's podcast. You may have noticed that I've been
a little less present lately, andthat's because last month I decided that I
was going to leave The Globe Trotter'sPodcast. And I'll briefly explain why John
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Max and I started this podcast notreally knowing what we were doing, and
that was kind of the beauty ofit. This was such a learning experience
for me, creating a podcast fromscratch, having never hosted or edited a
podcast before, and just jumping inthe deep end and trying. And that's
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what I set out to do,and that's what I did. I have
a lot of reasons for moving onfrom the podcast, and I won't bore
you with all of them, butone of them is that I simply don't
think I have enough time in myschedule to dedicate the amount of time that
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I want to. I have someother projects that I want to work on,
and I also just got a newjob, and I'll be moving across
the country next week, which isreally big for me. Also, we
all live far away from each other. Maintaining a podcast virtually is extremely difficult,
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and I think that it took atoll on me mentally, not being
able to kick back after an episodeand just have a drink or a coffee
with my coworkers. I also justwanted to connect with guests one on one
and with my co hosts, andthat's just not going to be possible.
And so yeah, I just decidedit was time to move on. I'm
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so proud of what we achieved.I'm so proud of what I learned,
and I'm really grateful for the peoplewho did tune in. We're by no
means a big podcast, and wehaven't gone viral or anything like that,
but we have had listeners show upweek after week and that's really cool,
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so genuinely thank you for supporting us. Thanks Globetrotters, it's been fun.
A big thank you to Max andJohn for being great partners creative differences aside,
both of them are wonderful people andI'm sure that shines through and we'll
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shine through in future work. We'llsee. If you're interested, you can
find me on Instagram at Saskia sA s s k I A and five
Underscores. Future adventures and photography andwork will be posted on there. All
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right, take care, safe travelsbye. Again. We thank Saskia for
time, ideas, and efforts inthis podcast and we wish her the best
in her next adventure. Definitely.As John mentioned, Saskia has just done
an amazing job with her time atthe Globetrotters podcast and just cannot thank her
(33:15):
enough and want to make sure thatthe listeners know that she has put her
heart and soul into this podcast andas much as it hurts to see her
leave, we're stoked for her nextadventure and wish her all the best.
And for all of our guests,we wanted to hear from you. We
aspire to inspire before we expire onthis podcast, and we learned just as
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much from our guests as you do, if not more from being able to
speak to them, you know duringthe pre interview face. It's the entire
thing has just been overwhelmingly positive andjoyous and educational for me as a podcaster,
and I hope the same can besaid for us a listener. Agreed,
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we again would love to hear fromyou. Feel free tell us what
are some of your favorite episodes?What are your favorite topics? Were there
any clips in particular that you likethat you kind of stuck with you let
us know by writing us an emailat Hello at GTS podcast dot com,
or writing us on Instagram at Globetrotterspodcast, or even on Twitter at globetrot
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pod, which you're not super activeon but we would like to make that
positive change as well. You couldalso comment and post and write us on
Facebook at Facebook dot com, forwardslash Globetrotters Podcast, and again, don't
forget to drop us a review onthe streaming platform of your choice. Editing
was done by our very own JonathanOtero. Until next time,
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