All About Mormons (S07E12)

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Wait, Mormons actually know this story and they still believe
Joseph Smith was a prophet.

Speaker 2 (00:04):
Well, sure, the story proves it, doesn't it.

Speaker 1 (00:07):
No, it proves he did make it all up.

Speaker 2 (00:09):
Are you blind?

Speaker 1 (00:10):
Well, Stan, it's all a matter of faith. No, it's
a matter of logic. If you're gonna say things that
have been proven wrong, like that the first man and
woman lived in Missouri and that Native Americans came from Jerusalem,
then you better have something to back it up. Oh,
you've got her a bunch of stories about some ass
wipe who read plates nobody ever saw out of a
hat and then couldn't do it again when the translations
were hidden.

Speaker 2 (00:27):
Hey, Stan, don't denounce our religion.

Speaker 3 (00:30):
Kick eh.

Speaker 4 (00:34):
Welcome to Going Down to South Pard, the podcast where
we always have ourselves the time, and this week we're
here to get all about Mormons.

Speaker 2 (00:40):
I'm Dando and I am guy. Very nice to be here,
Very nice to be talking all about Mormons.

Speaker 4 (00:46):
Yes, I thought this episode was hilarious and a real
you're watching this going it's not. One of these guys
went on to write the Book of Mormon as a
musical because I had so much fun watching, particularly the
Joseph Smith stories of this. I thought that you're watching
this going, it almost felt like a musical this episode,
particularly the Joseph Smith parts anyway, just dum dumb, dum
dum dumb. I'm like, this is a musical.

Speaker 2 (01:06):
Absolutely, yeah. I mean not just the tonality and the
phrasing of all the dialogue and the musical aspect of
those things. It just had a sort of a jaunty
feel to it. It felt like a stage musical. I mean, now,
at this point I must admit full disclosure, I have
not seen the Book of Mormon really, Okay.

Speaker 4 (01:21):
I saw the West End on of course it in London,
the West End, that.

Speaker 2 (01:24):
Is what they call it.

Speaker 4 (01:25):
That's where I saw the Book of Mormon. Yeah, having
no idea what was going to be about going into it,
and just absolutely loved it.

Speaker 2 (01:29):
So hilarious.

Speaker 4 (01:30):
You watching this going, this feels like a Parker and
Stone production, just the they're so theatrical, they're so great.
They're genius writers. I feel Parker and Stone, particularly musically anyway, Oh.

Speaker 2 (01:41):
God, Yeah, they've got a real appreciation for it and
a real attitude for it. Yeah, and that comes through.
I mean we've seen it in various episodes of South
Park certainly seen it in their movies, and yeah, it
makes a whole bunch of sense that the Book of
Mormon would be and continue to be as popular.

Speaker 4 (01:57):
There's one aspect of the dumb dumb, dumb, dumb, dumb
which made me smile with joy because it's just so
genius in the way they use that, So that can
just be taken as music going dumb dumb, dumb, dumb, dumb,
of course, but then that's paid off as no, we're
saying the word dumb because that's smart, smart, smart, smart
Smart's like, that is just so great.

Speaker 2 (02:13):
It's all so great. It feels like early Parkernstone though
in terms of like a little bit of the cynicism
that early South Park has or sort of calling out
what they see as nonsense or bullshit or whatever. I
think they probably steer away from that in later episodes
or later in their career, but it does feel like

(02:35):
the work of sort of young people, like can you
believe that this Joseph Smith guard tried to pull this
kind of thing, that whole dumb dumb, dumb, smart, smart
smart thing that they have. I won't say it feels
a bit on the nose, but it also feels like, yeah,
this is the work of people early in the careers,
or you're sort of young in their impression in the world.
It's like, come on, guys, can't we can't before.

Speaker 4 (02:53):
We just said that young in their careers. There's seven
years in now to South Park alone. I mean, that's
still that is still early. I know that, But seven
years into the Simpsons doesn't feel like early Simpsons anymore.
It does now because they're season thirty six or whatever.
But seven years on they've established himself by this point
is now two thousand and three, nearly two thousand and four,
by the time this comes out, the South Blak movie
has been out.

Speaker 2 (03:14):
Still, it's really only a few years. I mean, we're
talking seven seasons, but maybe.

Speaker 4 (03:18):
It's not that long, I guess, is it. Yeah, But
we're gonna I want to touch on whether you feel
like they were taking the mickey out of Mormons, but
we'll get that in just a few moments. That's gonna
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this week, right, the kids are all they go through fads,
the kids, and at the moment, it's just Peekable Me.

(04:00):
They've gone back to Despicable Me. They they loved it
when Despicable Me four came out, it was all a
thing minions blah blah blah. They've gone back to it.
Nothing really explains why. It's almost like they just are
flicking through Netflix and the ogre and goes currently watching
this is the hot thing for today, and they go,
you know what's good Despicable Me, and it's all they
want to watch. And they had Despeakable Me three on
yesterday And I'm watching this going by far the best

(04:22):
of the franchise, is it?

Speaker 2 (04:25):
I honestly couldn't tell you. I was unsure how many
Despicable means. Yeah, they're up to four, right, up to four. Yeah,
there's two minions. I think there's two millions movies, and
I'm pretty sure they were all manner of shorts and
spin offs.

Speaker 4 (04:36):
Yeah, but Despicable me three. So I'm watching this and
there's a guy called something Bratt. Let me look at
a Pierre so his name is? I think, like what,
there's a Batholomew Bratt or something bath a bath as
our bat, both as our battle whatever. Anyway, it's a
bad guy, right, And I'm watching this, going, God, this
guy's good, Like whoever's doing his voice?

Speaker 2 (04:54):
Just it's it's.

Speaker 4 (04:55):
Really villainy but cartooning and so likable. And I said
to Nicola fu lo the fucking south By guys the
way he's saying it like this and I'm a bad
boy and like it just it sounds like Parker and Stone.
I'm like, who the fuck is this? They're doing a
south Parker personation? Is Tray Parker?

Speaker 2 (05:08):
Ah?

Speaker 4 (05:09):
Okay, Trey Parker is the voice of the bad guy
in to Speakaby three. I didn't realize he did other ship,
nor did I. I was like flabbergas, and I've gone
god this he was so good and despicable me three
is this bad guy?

Speaker 2 (05:19):
Here's the thing as someone who lives in a child
free household. Yes I am I haven't been exposed to
too much Despicable Me content. Yeah, but yeah, as he said,
it strikes me as fascinating and fun and.

Speaker 4 (05:31):
The Trey Parker wouldn't do it if it wasn't quality either.
He's not just he doesn't have to go, he doesn't
have to take a gigef he doesn't want it. He
in this role as I'm gonna say Balthazar Brat I
think his name is. He's an ex child star who's
now no longer popular anymore. He's working the cons and
he just becomes a super villain. And his quote is
I'm a bad boy, so you can imagine Parker. I'm
a bad boy.

Speaker 2 (05:51):
He has so much fun with it.

Speaker 4 (05:53):
I just had to mention it here because I was
like flabbergas. I was like, it's actually Trey, Like it
sounds like someone someone doing Parkering impersonation.

Speaker 2 (06:00):
That was just out.

Speaker 4 (06:01):
It's just Trey Parker.

Speaker 2 (06:02):
You are making me want to scour the streamers and
find a to spik a wom movie or two.

Speaker 4 (06:06):
Well, we'll just look at Buffers bradon YouTube of the
best bits.

Speaker 2 (06:09):
Yeah, I could do that as well. Yeah yeah, yeah,
why waste my time. Let's get to the Creamy Center.

Speaker 4 (06:14):
It's very very good. Doesn't want to I just thought
that was interesting. But it's all about Mormons. So Trey
Parker and Matt Stone have a long storied history with
Mormons and Mormonism. Right, So it doesn't start here. It
goes all the way back to their first film being.

Speaker 2 (06:28):
Orgasmo and actually no, sorry, Cannibal the musical right Candles
was Yeah, but Orgasmod the film. Sorry.

Speaker 4 (06:33):
Yeah, so Orgasm wasn't the first film, but Orgasma I
think it was ninety seven ish and Orgasmer came out. Yes,
that's got Mormons in it. They've always had this fascination
with Mormonism. And I've read that one of Trey's basis
for this episode of a Family Evening Time is that
what it's called family home evening. Family Home evening. Yes,
so one of those.

Speaker 2 (06:51):
Things that sounds wonderful in theory.

Speaker 4 (06:53):
I'm different.

Speaker 2 (06:55):
You probably have all that.

Speaker 4 (06:56):
Yeah, so I'm watching this, and so the point of
sorry was that he had a girlfriend in high school
who was Mormon. She invited him over to family home
evening home evening, and he was just you a stand
in that situation. And apparently they had classmates who were Morments.
They've always had this link, these links to Mormonism, but
it's just they've turned it into cash baby because or

(07:18):
Gas made much money. This episode's fantastic, But then it
evolved into the Book of Mormon, which is one of
the most I've got the actual stats here, one of
it will be so it's grossed over eight hundred million dollars,
making it one of the most successful musicals of all time.
As of November twenty twenty four, last year, as we
record this, it is the eleventh longest running Broadway show,

(07:39):
having played more than five thousand performances. And we're gonna
be doing a deep dive review of the Book of
once you've watched it, and I've refreshed myself with it,
with the music and the play and whatnot. But I
think it was important for us to address that there
is this Mormon link to Parkland storage creativity.

Speaker 2 (07:53):
Oh yeah, absolutely well, to the degree that I thought, oh,
are these guys actually members of the Church of Later
day Saints or have divested themselves from it. But no,
they just have a fascination, which I think makes it
interesting and makes it a little more not valid, but
they've got an outsider's perspective but also a real interest
in it. So it's sort of like the best of
both worlds. They can poke fun at it and you know,

(08:14):
point out its flaws or point out it's inconsistencies or whatever,
but still have some degree of respect for it. Respect
for it, not necessarily even respect for the Mormon Church then,
just for the.

Speaker 4 (08:25):
Ideology of believing what you want to believe.

Speaker 2 (08:27):
Of religion in general, and absolutely belief systems in general,
and the foundation they can give you to lead a
more fulfilling and happier life.

Speaker 4 (08:35):
Because we'll touch on it soon. But I don't think
this is a mockery of Mormonism. It's a mockery of
religion and the idea of believing things that aren't actually
factually proven or anything, but you want to believe it because
you want to believe it, and that's okay.

Speaker 2 (08:48):
Oh yeah, absolutely. Also, well it's summed up very very
nicely at the just by Gary's sort of kiss off.

Speaker 4 (08:55):
Shall we say too, if we all learn something today.

Speaker 2 (08:58):
Yeah, he's learned something stand certainly learns, and he learned
in a very forceful way. Yeah. I found that. It
was one of my favorite moments of the episode. It
was great. Yeah.

Speaker 4 (09:09):
So what is the Book of Mormon? For anyone who
hasn't actually watched the musical? All listen to the songs
or anything. The story follows two missionaries of the Church
of Jesus Christ of Latter day Saints as an attempt
to preach the faith to the inhabitants of a remote
Ugandan Ugandan Ugandan village. The earnest young men are challenged
by the lack of interest from the locals, who are
distracted by more pressing issues such as HIV, AIDS, famine,

(09:31):
female genital mutilation, child molestation, and oppression by the local warlord.
And it was written by a Parkingstone but also Robert Lopez.
Now I want touch on Robert Lopez right. So he
is currently signed to Disney Music Publishing and he has
co written songs for films with his wife on films
like Frozen, Coco and also fun Fact. He wrote the
original wreck at Ralph song that was cut from the

(09:53):
film sung by Our City. It's on the soundtrack when
Can I See You Again? The music exists in the film,
I want to say, but the actual song doesn't. But
the music from the song does. But if you go
to YouTube and check out when Can I See You Again?
Our City, you go, oh, I know this song, especially
if you've seen Record Ralph, which I think are great films.

Speaker 2 (10:09):
I was about to say, not to divert too much
from our topics discussion to day, but yeah, Record Ralph
and Record Ralph to What Ralph Breaks the Internet? Yeah,
both really good movies.

Speaker 4 (10:18):
I'm pretty sure he may have played a role in
the Sugar Rush song as well, which is a fucking banger,
which is one hundred percent bank. Yeah, so they he
met them. He wrote a play. I want to say,
I can't remember what it was. We'll do about Deep
Dive of the Book of One when we do it
for Patreon, but he Robert Lopez wrote a play and Yes,
which is apparently influenced influenced by It was influenced by

(10:41):
Something to Train Matt did. But he said to them
you should watch because they're doing Team America. And he
said you should, And that's where Team America was born.

Speaker 2 (10:47):
Yeah, I think this was producer Scott ruden Yes, who
connected these two guys. Yeah, Scott Rudin in a bit
of a hot tempered individual in Hollywood law, but also yeah,
just a maker of fantastic films and stage. Yeah, someone
who's directed a lot of great talent into a lot
of great projects. Yeah. And yeah, this was a very
wise move on his part. Yeah, sort of bringing these
two people together and realizing if it's not necessarily a

(11:11):
full on collaboration, which actually it did become, you guys
can still learn off each other. It's one of the
great things that or about show business and the entertainment
industry all the very very smart people do, is like,
even if you don't create something here, that you can
feed off each other and learn from each other. Yeah. Yeah,
I think that's very very wise, and you know, we
get great stuff as a result.

Speaker 4 (11:31):
So if you want us to you want to hear
our deep dives on the Book of Morn, who be
coming up on our Patreon in a few weeks, will
be doing that because a lot of people requesting can
you guys review the Book of Mormon, So it's coming.

Speaker 2 (11:40):
Never accused us of not listening to you will accuse
you of not listening to us.

Speaker 4 (11:45):
Now, I'm going to be honest this episode here, I'm
not going to say it's a prequel to the Book
of Mormon, but I think it could be seen as
somewhat almost like a you know, when you get to
see a Disney film and that it picks are short. It's
just one of those things where it just it. It's
a good sort of stepping stone to watching the Book
of Mormon play.

Speaker 2 (12:01):
Yeah, I wouldn't call it a first draft or anything
like that, but also warm up. Yeah, yeah, you're dipping
your toe into the water and saying the unaired pilot,
can we make something of this or is there enough
material here for us to take it, run with it,
expand it, turn it into something else.

Speaker 4 (12:17):
Because the Joseph Smith scenes were so good in this,
just the music and the as you said, the mocking
but doing it in a tongue in cheek way where
it felt like they're mocking, but they also you can
tell they're respecting as well respectful.

Speaker 2 (12:28):
I think you made a really good point before when
you said, yeah, it's not necessarily mocking of Mormonism. It's
it's just mocking of I guess the stuff that underpins
most religions and most belief systems, because look, it's very easy,
particularly with this episode, the sort of poke fone. It's like, okay,
so he's reading of golden plates, that a inner hat,
using these stones, looking into a thing that no one

(12:49):
can say that no one else can see it. You
can't necessarily, he can't do the same thing twice, so
you know, that sort of blows logic out of the water,
all that kind of stuff. I have said this before
when we've you know, when we when we alluded to
religions on our various shows, whether it's South Park or
The Simpsons or whatever. Yeah, pretty much every religion if
you break it down, if you look at the rituals
and everything involved with us, like this is so strange,

(13:12):
this is so weird.

Speaker 4 (13:13):
I mean, but we all have those ideologies. You've got
just religion. It's just for example, I've brought up how
my family I've always done it, and it's not why
every family does. But when someone passes away, they become
a star in the sky and we go.

Speaker 2 (13:24):
There they are from the sky.

Speaker 4 (13:25):
It sounds ridiculous, it's absurd, but it's a nice thing
to just go. I'm believing it because it makes me
feel good.

Speaker 2 (13:31):
That's what we have to get back to. Absolutely. I mean, look,
I was, I was raising the Catholic household. I went
to church pretty much every day until I was about eighteen.
I've been, you know, one or two times since. So
I look at what goes on in a traditional sort
of Catholic Sunday service, and it's like, okay, well, yeah,
this happens, and then this happens. You say this, you
get up, you sit down, you shake hands with the
person next to you and say peace be with you,

(13:52):
all that kind of stuff. I imagine if someone came
in to a Catholic church service not knowing anything about it,
go family evening time, Why are you saying this? Why
are you doing that? And it would be the same
for just about any religion. Or if you look at,
as I said, the rights and rituals that are involved
in it, they're all kind of strange. But what is

(14:13):
the foundation of it all, or what is the takeaway
from it all? Is it gives you a sense of community,
It gives you a sense of belonging, It gives you
a sense of like understanding your place in the world
and the universe and at its best rules and guidelines
to live your life by and to interact with other people.
It's why what Gary says at the end of the

(14:35):
episode is so important. I've alluded this many many times
in the past as well, when I've sort of talked
about My dad's funeral was held at the big Catholic
church here in It was a big deal. It was
a big deal. We had a lot of people there.

Speaker 4 (14:48):
You're rocking some awesome chops in the photos on social media.

Speaker 2 (14:52):
That's true. I didn't do the whole number one going,
and I actually had some nice sieties there. I think
I was in my Wolverine phase.

Speaker 4 (15:00):
But Jackman, but I was.

Speaker 2 (15:05):
When I delivered the eulogy for my dad, I looked
at you, at my family in the front row. I
looked at you up the front live. Yeah. Yeah, other
people who were there and saw that this whole thing,
a lot of people drew solace from it. They drew
solace from the funeral, from the ritual, from the from
the rights, all that kind of business. Even if I

(15:27):
don't necessarily believe, oh Dad's in heaven now, yeah, yeah,
I know that it makes people feel good to feel
that he is and their interpretation of heaven is going
to be as it's going to be as individual as
your finger prints. For mine, heaven is in there, that's
where Dad lives memories and memories exactly right. So, and

(15:48):
I think that Parker and Stone trying to land the
plane on this one. I think Parkerstone are doing the
same thing. I think they're saying, faith at its best
provides you with a set of principles to live by
and to be a quote unquote good person or at
least a fulfilled person in this life. And that's what
more can you ask? What more do you need?

Speaker 4 (16:05):
And the last thing you need is somebody coming in saying, yeah,
but why, but why?

Speaker 2 (16:08):
But why?

Speaker 4 (16:09):
It goes. I don't need a why. Yeah, I believe this.
My why isn't impacting how you live your life. That's
why it's called faith. Yeah, but it can be attributed
to just TV shows, for example, pro wrestling. Right, you
can love pro wrestling. You know it's not real. You
know it's not real, but you suspended displits because you
were entertained by it takes you away from the world.
But then you always get people saying you know it's

(16:30):
not real, right, It's like, yes, I'm aware. Well that's stupid.
I'm like, I'm aware, but I enjoy it. Why why
do you have If you don't want to watch it,
don't watch.

Speaker 2 (16:40):
It, guys, I had to bring it to you. There
actually is no man named John McLain who went to
n Acatomy Plaza whole Christmas Eve. That guy was played
by an actor named Bruce Willis. He was on a set.
They were shooting blanks. None of this happened. But guess
what die hard kind of rules. Nobody fell from a building.
Well maybe the stuntman did, but I'm I'm sure he

(17:00):
worked out fine. Yeah, we suspended with disbelief and have
faith in so many ways and a lot of ways
that we don't even realize or recognize.

Speaker 4 (17:08):
We rely on storytellers. A lot of this is it's
all stories. It's all stories.

Speaker 2 (17:11):
Oh yeah, yeah, one of my foundational lines that I
lived my life by in recent years.

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Speaker 2 (17:48):
We're sort of sidetracking a bit here and feel free
to exist. This from the show I feel like about
now ten twelve years ago, I was going through a
bit of a rough time, bit of a midlife crisis,
kind of deal, very much a crisis of confidence and
you know, loss of self. It feels it's odd what
you can draw.

Speaker 4 (18:04):
Almost like I'm looking in the mirror.

Speaker 2 (18:07):
It's really weird what you can draw inspiration or relief from.
I was reviewing movies at that time. I went to
see I call it underrat. A lot of people say,
it's no damn good that Will Smith movie. After Earth,
you were this one with Will Smith and Jason You've
never seen it? Yeah, I think I saw the nepotism.
I assumed nepotism. I'm not going to watch this based
on that. It's from our pal m night shame Alert.

Speaker 4 (18:29):
Is it okay? Twists and turns that many twists.

Speaker 2 (18:32):
In this one, but there's a scene in it where
Will Smith is talking to his son about a near
death experience that he had. You know, he's been attacked
by this creature. He's sort of sinking to the bottom
of this lake and he realizes he was being drew
in by fear at that time, and he goes, all
of us are telling ourselves a story, and that day

(18:53):
mine changed when he realized fear is a reaction to
something that hasn't happened or may never happen, which is
pretty much verge on insanity. So we're all telling ourselves
the story that they are changed my story. You can
always change your story, you know. They're always going to
be external elements that are going to affect the way
you live your life, but the way that you tell
your story because you are the storyteller of your own life.

(19:13):
I don't know. I find that very very inspirational and
sort of the north star to live by.

Speaker 4 (19:18):
A lot of us take inspiration from pop culture. Line
from a certain movie might mean nothing to anybody else,
but to you it does.

Speaker 2 (19:26):
Oh yeah, yeah, I got plenty of them. I won't
repeat them all here. That's a special episode for the Patrons.

Speaker 4 (19:36):
So although Parker and Stone may see Mormonism, it's clear
they see it as a bit wacky and absurd, right,
But you never see it as them mocking the religion.
It's more they're intrigued by it. They're going, wait, so
this is what this is what you believe interesting as
opposed to you, idiot. You know, I know they had
the smart, smart, dumb, dumb dumb, but that's play it

(19:57):
for comedy. Yes, I never really feel like Parkers don't
actually think that Mormonism's Mormonism. Mormon sorry are idiots. And
that's why I think they never had an agenda from
the Harrisons, because they could have easily. I'm watching this
expecting the twist because it's South Parking. They sometimes go
down this avenue of it's going to be the Harrisons

(20:17):
are actually evil Mormons who are trying to convert people pretending
to be nice. No, they're just genuinely happy, genuinely love
each other and just genuinely nice people to the point
where stand who's usually the voice of reason, rans at
them at the end of him at the end of
the episode, and Mandy they kick him out of the
house and he goes, well, kids, and he expect I
always expect him to go. They caught us. No, He's like,

(20:41):
who was to have a water balloon fight? Awa if
it's like no, they're just nice people. And it's like,
you know what, you don't want to believe what we
want to believe. That's fine, we're happy. Yeah, you can
be happy doing what you want to do. But the
happy life that we're leading, the happy fulfilled lives we're leading,
stem from this belief system that we have. They didn't have.
Gary acknowledged. Yes, the Joseph Smith stuff is probably, but
I don't care because the ideology and the belief in

(21:03):
that is what results in me having a great life,
a great family who love me, and I'm happy.

Speaker 2 (21:07):
Yeah, but they're also The great thing is that they're
not about to push it on anybody.

Speaker 4 (21:12):
No, but you almost. I was expecting them to that
to be the catch at some point, but it wasn't.
And I think that was very pivotal to ensuring that
Mormons would not be offended watchings, because I think that's
what played a role in me not thinking they are
trying to mock Mormons, because if anything, the Mormons in
this episode are just the loveliest people. Oh yeah, they
really are not judgmental and they, as I said, even

(21:33):
how gary a knowledge is probably bullshit, like they are
aware of They are aware that is probably wacky, but
they don't care.

Speaker 2 (21:40):
Now, admittedly my understanding of the Mormon religion is a
little bit limited. Then there's a lot to take in.

Speaker 4 (21:46):
I learn everything from South Park.

Speaker 2 (21:48):
I pretty much learned everything from South Bark not the book,
but Mormon still to be watched. But they have a
lot of volunteer missionaries. They are, you know, knocking on
doors and letting people know about the tenets of their religion,
which I.

Speaker 4 (22:00):
Don't think happens anymore. People knocking door to door. It
used to be when I was a kid, you'd see
them coming of the books in the hand and you go,
oh no, they're back, you.

Speaker 2 (22:08):
Know, And if you're a snide person, you're kind of
you say, oh no, my won true Lord is Satan
or all that kind of stuff. My line. Yeah, as
I got a little bit older and I had people
knocking the door saying, hey, have you heard about Jesus,
I'm like, look, I'm pretty secure in my belief system,
thank you very much. I you have a great day.
That's pretty much all you need to do. You don't
need to be a dick about it. But I think
it would be disingenuous for us to say, Look, the

(22:29):
Mormons aren't out trying to spread the message.

Speaker 4 (22:31):
Of course they are, but they are, but they aren't.
I don't ever feel in this episode they're trying to
push you if this episode, no.

Speaker 2 (22:38):
No, no no. But even then, I don't think they're
really sort of doing the hard cell.

Speaker 4 (22:43):
That's the basis of the Book of Mormon, is them
going to try and convert all these people.

Speaker 2 (22:46):
But then I don't think Mormons are alone in that.
I think any sort of religion, particularly one that has
a real sort of stranglehold in the West, stranglehold is
probably the let's say, let's say grip or grasp in
the web, is going to want to go to quote
unquote godless nations and try to spread the word in
that regard. But no, it's always been sort of my

(23:10):
understanding limited it is that the Mormons want to sort
of spread the word about what they've got going on,
but they're not going to really force it down your
throat and say, believe us or go to hell.

Speaker 4 (23:21):
Yeah, and they also it was important for them to
never show signs of being exhausted from trying to be happy.
It's like, this isn't an act. Oh, they're just happy,
and that, for a lot of people is hard to understand.
You can't always be this happy. I'm not happy. You
can't be happy. And that's why they go to a
town like south Park where everyone is chaotic and disingenuous
and not evil. But there's just it's just chaos in

(23:43):
south Park. And to see this like, how, I wait,
you can be happy in this life? No, they can't. Possibly,
there's got to be an angle here. There's got to
be a catch. You know, there's no catch. It's just
I believe in this. It's probably wacky, but as a result,
it gives me a better life. If you don't want
to do it, that's fine, it's your choice. But I'm happy.

Speaker 2 (24:00):
And who's to say that the Harrisons aren't having the
occasional sort of dark Knight of the Soul or something
like that all, you know, a bit of a crisis
of faith or just I had a bad day at
the office or something like that. But and this is
not me trying to convert anyone to any particular kind
of religion or anything like that. But you know, if
you've got a set of principles again to live by,
an operating system that you live by, yeah, it can
provide you with a sort of a light in those

(24:21):
dark times.

Speaker 4 (24:22):
They touch a lot on this. They use Flanders on
The Simpsons as he's their version. He's not a Mormon,
but he is their version of that. He's the religious guy, right.

Speaker 2 (24:30):
Have they ever said what religion he actually is? Yeah?
But I mean is he like what denomination? Oh I
couldn't tell you. Is he Episcopalian? Is he Presbyterian? Is
he Catholic?

Speaker 4 (24:42):
He's Evangelical? Or just google it?

Speaker 1 (24:44):
Then?

Speaker 4 (24:44):
Yes?

Speaker 2 (24:44):
Okay, okay, I'm not exactly sure what the tenets of that.
He's Republican too, you cancel? But yeah, yeah, you're right
about Flanders. Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 4 (24:57):
So they even have episodes in in the Simpsons. Hurricane
Netty is the classic one where it all gets too
much for him, right and he just explodes. Because I
think there's a difference here between Flanders and the Harrisons
as they're depicted here. Having that episode goes to show that, yes,
Flanners is probably happy a lot of the time, but
that's come a point where it all has to come out. Sure,

(25:20):
I don't ever get the idea that the Harrison's ever
gonna have that moment of explosion by the end of
the episode. Throughout it, I'm going, when are they going
to be, when they're gonna drop their guard? When's they're
going to be some sign of evil coming up? But no,
there isn't.

Speaker 2 (25:33):
I think it would be different if these guys became
recurring characters and then you delve into a little more deeply.
I think what they're here to do, and what the
episode all about Mormons is here to do is talk
about a particular set of circumstances in particular way that
faith or belief or whatever can affect and or enhance

(25:53):
your life. So yeah, I mean it would be different
if once every three or four episodes, Oh, the h
family runs into the Harrison family on the street or whatever,
and it's like, oh, stupid sexy harrisoning like that. I
think that would be quite different. Yeah, But they're really
here to illustrate a point.

Speaker 4 (26:11):
We're touching on earlier. How it's more a take on
religion in general because there's no physical proof of God's existence.

Speaker 2 (26:17):
Well, this is an episode, and I think not just
of South Park, but of going down to South Park
that I think opens itself up to some really interesting discussions,
some really sort of interesting sort of philosophical ideas, like
I don't think it is I think we would just
want to get to the fireworks factory. One thing that
I used to do quite regularly is on the first
day of every year, on January first, every year, I

(26:38):
would go down to Ocean Grove at the crack of
dawn and I would take a swim in the ocean.
It was like my way of sort of starting the year.

Speaker 4 (26:45):
In the Nuduh.

Speaker 2 (26:47):
No, I wouldn't want to ruin everybody else's new year,
but you know, looking around at the ocean, at the sand,
of the sky, all that kind of stuff, It's like,
if I want evidence of a higher power or something divine,
this is it. How many times I've said in the past,
if we're five hundred miles close to the Sun, we're

(27:09):
a lump of coal. If we're five hundred miles further
away from the Sun, we're a block of eyes. It
is a miracle that we are what we are that
we are where we are, and that we've become what
we've become, and everything that we've created has become. I mean,
that's that's God to me.

Speaker 4 (27:25):
Well that's for example, I've got kids now, right, And
Ali cuts himself, that's not't worry. It a heel, and
how he goes has a heel. I'm like, I can't
tell you mane. Yeah, it just does. Like your body
heals itself.

Speaker 2 (27:36):
Yeah yeah, you can very easily sort of view all
that stuff. There's Ali that's kind of fucking MIRACU.

Speaker 4 (27:42):
Like, that's fucking sorcery.

Speaker 2 (27:44):
What do you mean?

Speaker 4 (27:45):
It just heals itself. No, editors heal itself again.

Speaker 2 (27:48):
And anything worse than that, we've found out ways to
fix a lot of them, a lot of it. Yeah. Yeah, yeah,
so that's kind of amazing. Yeah.

Speaker 4 (27:56):
But as I was saying, so there's no forgot existence.
But everyone should be happy to believe what they want
to believe within reason, as long as what you believe
doesn't result in the someone else.

Speaker 2 (28:04):
Being hurt or not the oppression of someone else.

Speaker 4 (28:07):
Yeah, exactly. But this is why I think Parker's use
of how do you know he didn't? Why would he lie?
Is like the perfect out to go for anyone who
wants to justify the belief in the story. It's like, well,
I can't prove that he didn't do it, that's true,
and it's something else that I have to believe. I
just choose to believe. It's like, well, why do you
believe it? Because I want to makes me feel happy?
So yeah, I can't prove that what he says isn't

(28:29):
true either, so I believe. We want to believe, mate.

Speaker 2 (28:32):
Yeah. Now again, I don't want to sort of disparage
the foundations of Momon belief or anything like that. If
Joseph Smith made himself incredibly wealthy by doing this, if
he was a grifter as opposed to being a legitimate prophet,
not that great. But at the same time, what he's
given the word.

Speaker 4 (28:50):
He established a story that can build the foundation for
something nice. Yeah, absolutely, for these people anyway, Yeah, certainly.
I think it was also important to have stand call
them out at the end and for him to be
proven not wrong, but for it to be thrown back
in his face. I think it was fantastic. Another good
out for them to say, we're not mocking Mormonism, you know,
we're pointing things out. Take it as you will. But

(29:10):
at the end of the day, I think Gary and
the Harrison had the upper hand. They say face yeah,
oh yeah. This is where you get the angle of
everyone in south Park. Well mostly the boys, I don't
think really get anyone else besides maybe Randy. You don't
get shit and everyone. No one gets angry at that
at the Harrison except for the boys. They get angry
at Gary, really, don't they. So yeah, and I don't
think that's got anything to do with Mormonism.

Speaker 2 (29:32):
It just goes deeper than that. Yeah, that's just the
fact that well, first of all, new kid in town, yep.
Secondly kind of a golden boy. And thirdly, and I'm
not Dissingary because he seems like a very pretty decent kid. Yeah,
that whole initial thing where he's sort of raising his
hands like, oh, you know, man, first land on the
moon in the six it's a little Martin Prince. You're right.
I think if the new kid in in your classroom

(29:53):
on his first day or his first five minutes sort
of like ooh, pick me, teacher.

Speaker 4 (29:57):
Message she's just trying to impress. But yeah, yeah, you'd.

Speaker 2 (30:00):
Kind of go fuck this guy, but you'd go, what's
the deal with this guy? They shut it, but I
think it's wonderful and it's a really great sort of
character beat on his part and by Parker and Stone
that when he sits down next to Carbman and sort
of says, I'm Gary you and I'm not going to
repeat the line because first of what, we're dropping slurs

(30:22):
and ours off the rip. But the garytrus one with
that's funny, man, you're cool turns it around on it.
I'm sorry, that's incredible. Jiu jitsu. I don't know jiu
jitsu has black belts, but that's Dan black belt jiu jitsu.

Speaker 4 (30:38):
Shit, it's the best way to counteract to bully because
the boys go.

Speaker 2 (30:42):
Let it be a Lison, give it to Elliott and
trust me.

Speaker 4 (30:45):
I used to do this because in footy I wasn't
half bad playing footy, right, and they would be in
my ear, just this, that and the other. They'd be saying, oh, yeah,
your sister's hot. It was always they always being off
my sister. He says that, and I just I would
laugh and they'd go, fuck, you can't annoy this guy,
And to the point where that's go, what's the point,
why waste energy. I'm trying to throw him off. This
is a pointculs not going to work. Yeah, don't show

(31:07):
any signs of weakness. I mean, even if it does bother,
you just be like yeah, well and.

Speaker 2 (31:12):
The more words of missi Eeliop, which we've said many
times on these shows, throw that and reverse it.

Speaker 4 (31:17):
But yeah, So the idea of they shunned him because
he's new kid, which is a stereotype in pop culture
that I don't necessarily buy completely into, which I'll touch
on a little bit l when we're doing our run through,
but I think a lot of it stems from the
fact that he's just genuinely talented at things and it
makes them feel insecure. Of course, it takes me back
to when I first started at Ford. I've told this
story before. I was working hard, trying to impress the boss.

(31:39):
You know, I'm the new guy at that thing, and
the older guys are going, oh, slow down, slow down,
slow down, And he says overtime. Did the money thing
said overtime? When reality is yes, that's might be an
element of it. That's also you're making us look bad, kid.
We've got a pretty cushy here. Getting paid through fuck
or if you show that we should be doing more work,
then they gonna expect us to do more work. So
he in their insecurity. They also we call them Australia

(32:01):
Tall Poppy syndrome. Whenever someone's a success, they can be
our best friend, they win the test loot. All of
a sudden, we don't like them, you know it like
they're giving us money, But it's just we don't like
people being better at things than us. What is it
just Australians or is it just people in general? I
think we have a name for it.

Speaker 2 (32:16):
Yea given an actual name, I'm pretty sure it exists
in almost every culture.

Speaker 4 (32:20):
In the world.

Speaker 2 (32:21):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (32:22):
Yeah, so as someone successful, we just simply better.

Speaker 2 (32:24):
We just maybe not America. I mean you hear this
a lot about America's Like no, they really sort of
celebrate success and they want everyone to do well. Yeah,
America is pretty much branded itself as the land of opportunity.
I wonder who the person the first person who came
up with the term the American dream was. But it
feels bad that in Australia it's sort of become a
thing that we actually have a name for, and then

(32:46):
we become semi infamous for that does kind of suck.

Speaker 4 (32:49):
Yeah, But apparently in the original broadcast of this episode,
there was text on the screen that whenever they were
telling the Joseph stories those segments, it had at the bottom,
this is what Mormons actually believe.

Speaker 2 (32:59):
Oh, I'm glad you mentioned that. Yeah, because the minute
you said it, the minute you started talking about oh,
there was something like that's right. Yeah, there was that,
and it felt a little snigh.

Speaker 4 (33:10):
Yeah, But because they've removed it for legal reasons, because
apparently it's a bit of an embellishment of how Mormanism
was really established. So it's not entirely true, right, most
of it is pretty much it, but a little bit embellished,
so they can't actually say this is what they actually believe.
I think. But I think the episode is better without
it as well.

Speaker 2 (33:27):
I think so. I mean, I think if you combine
that with the dumb dum dumb, dumb dumb, it's kind
of like really taking shots at these guys, Yeah, when
you should.

Speaker 4 (33:35):
I think you take shots, just poke out things, and
then if you think it's silly, that's your choice.

Speaker 2 (33:40):
The two things is kind of like a one two
punch and that'll sort of take you down, just the
one and particularly the dum dumb dumb, dumb dumb. It's like, okay,
yeah again, you're Yeah, you're poking more than taking to
You're right to say.

Speaker 4 (33:53):
It that way.

Speaker 2 (34:00):
Fite moments from the episode I mentioned one before is
when Gary just jiu Jitsu's cartmen with the you're cool man,
It's like, Oh, how do you come back from that?
You beat me? I thought this was a really funny
gag when they meet the Harrison family, when Stan meets
them for the first time, when you're sort of introducing themselves. Oh,

(34:20):
and this is our little baby Amanda. That was great.
Helland yeah, that was really good. And I don't want
to sound like Gary Harrison stand, but yeah, this kid's
got it going on. Just his final what he's talking
about to stand this is something that you someone may
need to hear in their life. You never like hearing

(34:42):
it at the time, but just like, got a lot
of growing up to do, buddy, But following that would
suck my balls.

Speaker 4 (34:47):
It's pretty good.

Speaker 2 (34:48):
That's one und was in Parker and Stone.

Speaker 4 (34:50):
But yeah, that's the first time he showed any sign
of being rude or me wasn't it a little bit?

Speaker 2 (34:54):
But it wastly holy warranted.

Speaker 4 (34:56):
Yeah, because the standers literally said, he's not gonna be
my friend any mone out with him. And I love
that Gary's prefaced by saying, you don't have to worry
about pretending to be my friend anymore. You have to
worry about trying to be my friend anymore. I don't
want you as a fucking friend. Oh yeah, if you're
going to be this kind of person. Yeah, but yeah,
I like that he's sort of not threw it in
Stan's face, but he gave him the opportunity. As I said,
let it be a lessons like you've got a bit
of grown up to do him.

Speaker 2 (35:16):
Mate.

Speaker 4 (35:17):
Do you think it was a wise choice to have
stanby the one who was joining the Harrisons and the
one that was having.

Speaker 2 (35:24):
I think so, yeah, because well, I don't think it
could be Cartman. I think that that sort of creates
a whole different dynamics.

Speaker 4 (35:31):
He'd be trying to manipulate or use it to his
advantage in some way.

Speaker 2 (35:34):
I think Cartman's got enough baggage and we've got enough
history with him as a character, going, Okay, where's the
flip here? Where's the twist?

Speaker 4 (35:40):
And Kyle's already got Kyl is already He's a religious friend,
isn't he.

Speaker 2 (35:44):
Yeah, and he's kind of an avatar for a certain
type of religion, or a certain religion at least, so
again it opens a can of worms and he's like, oh, well, no,
this counteract stands kind of a blank slate. I think
the whole marsh family are kind of like.

Speaker 4 (36:01):
Randy slightly moron, but oh no.

Speaker 2 (36:04):
Reaching the stage we're starting to get Randy's becoming the
go to becoming jackass Randy. Yeah, in the vein of
Jackass Home, it's like, oh, we're going to plow up
his dumbness a little bit more for comic effect, and
it's really going to work. But yeah, the mars family
appear like your typical blank slate, not not much sort

(36:25):
of moral or religious ind opinions. It's like we're just
sitting around watching TV, not doing much. That's it. You
know what do we have that really sort of guides
and directs us.

Speaker 4 (36:34):
I suppose they're probably the most and also Marshas are
probably the most related. It sounds silly the Marshes. Of
all the four boys, the marsh is probably the most
relatable family on South Park from an average viewers perspective,
because Kyle has that they're Jewish, so if you're not Jewish,
you don't quite quite have that connection there. Cartman's single mother,
you know, he's outlanded. His mother's got her issues issues

(36:56):
as well, Kenny. You know, they're quite poor. He's got
that terrible home life. Life at home as well, as
you said, stands it's just Randy drinks beer, watches TV.
Shelley's just your bitchy teenager. Sharon just seems like your
average soccer mum, almost not ever soccer, just your average mum.
And yeah, they seem like the most in the South
Park universe, the most normal, even though that sounds a

(37:18):
bit silly to say, Oh.

Speaker 2 (37:19):
No, I think you're right. And yeah, as I said,
it gives them an opportunity to sort of They be
susceptible to trends in a lot of ways, whether that's oh,
let's watch this new TV show, let's drink this new beer,
metro sexual, let's try let's try this new religion. Yeah,
let's let's find something that gives us meaning, If not behalf,

(37:39):
maybe give us a meaning be half an Hour's cartoon
dog to make life bearable. What's that headline in the
sentence or for the rest of your life.

Speaker 4 (37:47):
I think we've just established that the Marshes of the
Simpsons of South Park pretty much.

Speaker 2 (37:51):
I think we're the first people to do well, not us.

Speaker 4 (37:55):
I really enjoyed. So it's family evening time, and this
is where Dad, who's also miss Gary, brings out the
injured stuff is Gary brings out the Book of Mormon,
and Mark, the older brother goes, oh oh, just so excited.

Speaker 2 (38:11):
That's the one thing I had it actually written down.
I didn't put it in as a paper one, but yeah, yeah,
oh yeah.

Speaker 4 (38:19):
And you said that the dumb dumb, dumb, dumb dumb
with the payoff the smart smart smart smart smart, I
thought was just fantastic. And yeah, a lot of them out.
I just really loved the Harrisons. I just thought they
were just such lovely people.

Speaker 2 (38:28):
I try to not be a cynical or down be person.
Good luck with that, but I can imagine that being
around people who are incessantly positive would yeah, bump up
against you a little once in a while. I was like, oh,
come on, guys, I mean, I know things are going
great for you. Yeah, and I would probably be the

(38:49):
most understanding. And if you went to them and said,
you know, not having a great day or I've got
a relationship trouble or whatever, they would be the first
people to say, even to give advice, but to say
you want to talk about it, and he'll listen.

Speaker 4 (39:03):
Well, that's acknowledged. When Randy goes to visit them, they go, oh, yeah,
I completely understand what you're trying to say. I can
see that we didn't think about it at the time.
We're so sorry. Oh god. Everybody's like, oh shit, I
give me to kick your ass now for having him
over for dinner.

Speaker 2 (39:18):
So yeah, yeah, I mean no, I Harrison's pretty great.
That's okay. Remember there are no stupid questions, just stupid
people trivia time.

Speaker 4 (39:28):
Okay, My first question for you is what was Shelley
and Randy watching when Stan got home.

Speaker 2 (39:35):
They were watching Friends? Because I wanted to then listen
to the one about Friends. Yes, my first question for you.
Gary has been in two commercials for what.

Speaker 4 (39:45):
That would be toothpaste.

Speaker 2 (39:46):
That's correct, no particular brand, just truthpaste.

Speaker 4 (39:49):
Which play is the father Gary performing at family evening time?

Speaker 2 (39:53):
Now, I didn't look it up, But I'm gonna say Hamlet.

Speaker 4 (39:56):
It's the most iconic one. You'd say Hamlet's most iconic
one of all time for Shakespeare probably, Yeah, a Romeo
and Romeo and yeah, okay, remember Juliet and Hamlet. Remy
and Juliet is the most mainstream. I guess you could say, yeah.

Speaker 2 (40:10):
I mean if I off, yeah, off the top of
the dome, what are the two most famous lines from Shakespeare?

Speaker 4 (40:16):
To be or not to be?

Speaker 2 (40:17):
That's the question.

Speaker 4 (40:18):
It's Hamlet, Yeah, I don't know what's what's the other one?

Speaker 2 (40:21):
I would say, where for up there? Romeo? Yeah, so
that you got those two?

Speaker 4 (40:25):
Yeah, but to be not to be seems to be
that's the one, right, I think so? Yeah? Yeah, Still,
I've never seen the Romeo and Juliet film, the one
from maybe it was Romeo and Juliet isn't Yeah, there's DiCaprio, right, DiCaprio.
I never saw it.

Speaker 2 (40:39):
It's really good, really yeah, one of probably bas Luna's
best film. Okay, i'd reckon Yeah it wasn't.

Speaker 4 (40:45):
Quite old enough. My mum and dad will let me
watch it, and then enough time passed away.

Speaker 2 (40:48):
Chick is it a chick?

Speaker 4 (40:50):
Flick.

Speaker 2 (40:51):
Well, it's a romance, but it's also got a lot
of guns and stuff, and it's about a few between
it's the family feud.

Speaker 4 (40:58):
No, it's about Grant Daniel.

Speaker 2 (41:01):
Only is grand Dania bes Leomon. You led Astralia down
by not putting Grant Dan You're in there. I believe
it's it's probably on Disney Pluss.

Speaker 4 (41:09):
Oh, check it out. I've definitely seen it was really
checking out.

Speaker 2 (41:11):
It is so late nineties coded in so many ways,
but it was part of a really interesting time as well,
because I mean, what was a modern modern version of
the of the show. Oh yeah, play right? Yeah, yeah, No,
it's fantastic. I'm a big, big fan of the full title.
William Shakespeare is Romeo and Juliet. Check it out. Next question,

(41:31):
My next question to you, what does Sharon call Randy
when he comes back from the Harrison.

Speaker 4 (41:36):
It's it's mister T's character. And in Rocky three, what
is it?

Speaker 2 (41:39):
It's club Land? Yeah, Clubland?

Speaker 4 (41:41):
That's right, Yes, all right, And I've only got two questions.
I'll find one more for you and then we can
move on. What game were they playing? It's called the
Game of Living, isn't it it's just called living. It's
just a game of life. Yeah, okay, I originally thought
it was Monopoly. I originally thought game of Life. Then
he says, oh, no, we're gonna pee rend or whatever.
I like, is that monopoly?

Speaker 2 (41:59):
Yeah?

Speaker 4 (41:59):
No, it's meant to be at the game been game
of life. That happens as well.

Speaker 2 (42:01):
Yeah, is the Is the game just called life? Or
is it called the game of life?

Speaker 4 (42:05):
I've always known it as the game of life. Maybe
he's just called life.

Speaker 2 (42:08):
Yeah, but I'm guessing that yeah.

Speaker 4 (42:10):
Can be on those things where in America it's clue.
In Australia it's pkludo correct damn.

Speaker 2 (42:14):
And what we call it YACHTI it's called something else?

Speaker 4 (42:17):
Is it really thing?

Speaker 2 (42:18):
It's called pat cheesy In the case American friends, let
us know.

Speaker 4 (42:23):
Give you one more question.

Speaker 2 (42:24):
Speaking of that, Gary Senior lost his mortgage in living.
How much did he have to pay?

Speaker 4 (42:32):
Oh? I don't know what.

Speaker 2 (42:33):
It's ten thousand dollars.

Speaker 4 (42:35):
Okay, yeah, here's the thing. He's just lost ten grands
thousand dollars.

Speaker 2 (42:39):
Oh no, oh, how terrible.

Speaker 4 (42:42):
And then then hey, Gary's home. I was like, this
is this is lovely?

Speaker 2 (42:46):
It's really nice. It's really nice, Okay.

Speaker 4 (42:51):
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Speaker 4 (44:33):
So All About Mormons originally aired November nineteenth, two thousand
and three, Written and directed by Trey Parker. The top
three films at the US Bucks office when this episode aired.
Mister Davis, what do you reckon? It was number one?
Last week we had the Matrix Revolutions at number one,
alf was number two and Brother Bear was number three,
I believe. So what do you think is number one? Now,

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two of those streams three films still exist, but the
number one film is different.

Speaker 2 (44:58):
Oh the number one? Okay? End of two thousand and three?
How about a tiny tiny hint?

Speaker 4 (45:03):
Okay? Crow?

Speaker 2 (45:05):
Okay? Then two thousand and three? Is it Cinderella Man?

Speaker 4 (45:10):
It is not. It is Mastering Commander Marster. Commander My
top spot numble one at the US box office when
it came out.

Speaker 2 (45:15):
Oh, a fine movie and a favorite of bros everywhere.
Really have you never seen that?

Speaker 4 (45:20):
I'm saying, Yeah, I just never. I've never been in
to pirates and ships and ship and I was watching
going it's not gonna interest me.

Speaker 2 (45:26):
This is not about pirates. Oh no, No, it's sort
of about naval warfare. Yeah, it's just a good story
about dudes on a boat, very very enjoyable, made by
one of the great filmmakers of all time, Australias owned
Peter Weir, starring Russell Crowe and Paul Bettany people say
this a lot about certain movies, like we should have
had five of these. There's a lot of books in

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the Marster and Commander series, and honestly, we should have
had a shit ton more of them. Yeah, Barston Garanner
really enjoyable. Claud It made the number one.

Speaker 4 (45:53):
Spot, Elf was number two. It moved his away from
number three to number two, and then we had Brother
Brother Bear drop out or to Matrix Brother Revolutions pumped
down the thro I think Man's Revolutions have been out
for a few weeks and that's sort of on the
way out now and people people have seen it and going, oh,
she's also realizing we only needed.

Speaker 2 (46:08):
One of these. It was.

Speaker 4 (46:11):
It was a fine, nice idea at the time two
three record by making two films at the same time
and going bang bang, it.

Speaker 2 (46:17):
Was a bold experiment. There's a lot of good stuff
in them.

Speaker 4 (46:21):
Pretty much a Netflix series though, where they dragged the
movie out for eight episodes.

Speaker 2 (46:24):
A little bit even more. I mean, I don't know
if you've got the Animetrix or the big box set,
oh no, no, yeah, but it's got all these. It's
got a whole lot behind the scenes features and a
thing called the ani Matrix, which is yeah, like a
lot of anime stories that are making from the adjacent Yeah,
I mean, it went wild with it. So even if
it didn't it all work, I admired them for taking

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the big swing.

Speaker 4 (46:48):
Yeah, we didn't definitely didn't any fourth one.

Speaker 2 (46:51):
Even that's kind of interesting. I watched it going well,
I've seen it now, I must have been. I have
not revisited since the one and only time that I
watched it. Yeah.

Speaker 4 (47:01):
So the episode all about Mormon's kicks off at the
school and mister Garrison is introducing a new kid from
Utah named Gary, but he gets the silent treatment as
many new kids tend to do in pop culture. Gary
was state champion in wrestling and tennis. He maintained a
four point zero grade school average at two and had
two national commercials for toothpaste. He says, I'm really excited
to live in this new town and share new experiences

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of you guys my new friends. But the kids will
amediately just think he's an asshole. I fortunately never went
through the the experience of changing schools. I always say
that the on primary school stayed at the same high school.
I can only recall maybe two times in my life
where a new kid was brought to the front, introduced
and this is the new kid and I know it
seems to be in pop culture. When there's a new kid,

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they shun him, they mock him, and they only ever
really hang out with the weidos in the outcast. They
become an outcast because they're the new kid. My experience
is that the people, the rest of the people who
are already at the school want to be friends of
them because they're almost like the new toy in the
player river. It's like, I want a few guy. Yeah,
he's something different. Oh is he cool? Is he not?
Let's feel this guy out as opposed to Oh, fuck

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this guy? I know. Why Is it just because it's
an easy story device to have them become an outcast?

Speaker 2 (48:11):
I think so?

Speaker 4 (48:12):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (48:12):
Yeah, And well, conflict is the essence of drama. As
I say, If everyone immediately came Gary's friend and be
kind of like, it's a little more interesting of like,
oh we hate this guy. Oh wait a minute, I've
got no reason to hate this guy. Oh okay, it
looks I'm going to his place for dinner. Oh wait
a minute, he's a really nice guy and his family

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is incredibly nice as well. What's going on here? Let's
explore it further?

Speaker 4 (48:37):
Yeah, saying all that, though, Garrison really set him up
for fail in particularly a town like south Park by
coming and saying he's good at this, is good at this,
he is good at this. I'm basically saying he's better
than you and everything, and a town like south Park
with so much insecurity and chaos, they're going to look
at him and go fuck this guy.

Speaker 2 (48:52):
Oh yeah, for Australian listeners or listeners outside of America
who don't know, a four point Greade average, four point
grade point average is essentially per great whenever it's okay,
I think that's the highest you can get.

Speaker 4 (49:04):
So fuck this guy.

Speaker 2 (49:08):
It's making me feel bad about myself.

Speaker 4 (49:09):
But he sends Gary to the empty seat next to Cartman,
who slides his chair away from him to be a
part of it, and introduced himself and into we get
the your fag and just turns it back on him,
and it's just as he said.

Speaker 2 (49:20):
You're an English cigarette.

Speaker 5 (49:22):
Hey, my name's Gary.

Speaker 1 (49:24):
Hi, my name's yeah, yeah, fag.

Speaker 5 (49:29):
That's funny, you're cool man.

Speaker 4 (49:31):
And Carton just doesn't know how to take it, because
he's so used to mocking Kyle, for example, because Kyle's
an easy time because he always retaliates. Of course, a
bully wants retaliation. I always say to Alliot, don't retaliate mate.
Sometimes ignoring too is not good. I think the way
Gary handles is here is better than ignoring, because if
you ignore, it's almost like it becomes a new challenge
to get you to react. I was just trying to

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accept he's just trying to ignore me. I'm gonna make him.
I'm gonna break him. If you show that you don't
give a fuck, man, it's like, ah ah, there's a
reason that. Don't be smug about it, like oh god, no,
don't try and act like nothing. You say you're gonna
bother me. It's like, oh yeah, good joke.

Speaker 2 (50:08):
Oh Shire, there's a reason that quote unquote friend of
the pod Mark Manson's book The Subtle Art of Not
Giving a Fuck sold so many copies.

Speaker 4 (50:16):
Mark Manson, have you never heard of this book? Have
you been this?

Speaker 2 (50:20):
Have you have you seen this? You heard?

Speaker 4 (50:21):
Have you read this?

Speaker 2 (50:22):
Have you heard about this? Have you not heard of
the subtle art? I'm not giving a fuck? No, absolute
best seller?

Speaker 4 (50:27):
Really okay, subtle art of not giving a fuck?

Speaker 2 (50:29):
All right, it's his whole industry. But he's an interesting
that sounded quite condescending. Interesting guy, good plain spoken life advice,
does a podcast, writes books. But the subtle art of
not giving a fuck is just good advice in itself.
Don't give a fuck.

Speaker 4 (50:50):
It's a good thing to live by. I just at
that point in my life where I just went, I
don't care. I we're wearing trackies. I don't think you
a fuck. But now Gary answers Garrison's question about what
was the year man first walked on the moon, and
looks like I don't have a classroom full of our
words anymore, just dropping his words left right and set

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up the moment, aren't.

Speaker 2 (51:11):
They Well they are, but yeah, twass of their time. Yeah,
like twenty twenty five might be that time again.

Speaker 4 (51:17):
But it's from this introduction alone, it's understandable why the
kids wouldn't like Gary. It's the same as a new
worker highlighting, as I said, how slack you are via
their performance. They come in and you're going, ah, I
don't want them to know that I should be doing
more the boss. But Gary is now playing alone in
the school yard because a new kid. Now he's playing
with you. All the boys that are sort of standing
there staring at him just I wouldn't say mocking him,

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just judging him, sizing him up. Sizing up is a
good way of putting it. Yeah, just hating on him. Eventually,
they encourage Stan to be the one to go and fight,
go kick his ass. I think Stan would Of all
these kids, I think stands the one that would actually
go up and do it. Like it just seems a
bit out of character for Stand to be the one
to go. He's usually one going dude, guys, why would
we fight? He's just a new kid. But no, even
Stan swayed here to fight him. Immediately, Cutman's like, I've

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got money, the new kid.

Speaker 2 (52:01):
I loved. The cartman says before that though, like, oh,
I've forgotten exactly what Stan said. But the Cartman's answer was,
oh will he bleed? That's all we care about. Oh
my god.

Speaker 4 (52:11):
But this is just classic peer pressure. Although yeah, for Stand,
I can understand that being a kid and everyone's pressing
you to do it, you would go and do this.
So he walks over and immediately Gary asked, do you want
to k ckick the ball around? It sounds like nu,
I'm here to kick your ass, And he's like, oh, Okay, well,
I guess I'm the new kid, and that's what happens,
that's what's required for me to be initiated into your group,
then go for it.

Speaker 2 (52:31):
There's a little bit wise beyond his years with Gary.
I mean, it does feel like Parker is sort of
putting adult or at least more mature sort of ideas
and attitudes into this kid's mouth. I mean, if it's
the same age as as Stan Kyle Cartman, et cetera.
Feel like this guy's a little too worldly and a
little too wise. Now there's maybe his family environment, his

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family upbringing, but yeah, no one's.

Speaker 4 (52:56):
Going to accept being beaten up.

Speaker 2 (52:57):
I don't think no. I mean, but even sort of
understanding the rationale. But I was like, oh, yeah, I'm
the new kid. You gotta do. Maybe kids are pretty
savvy when it comes to the the law of the jungle.

Speaker 4 (53:07):
By the end of the episode, though, it's established that
Gary is smart enough to know that I don't need
this ship. Well true, his life is happy. Why does
he need these kids? Good point, Yeah, but we haven't.

Speaker 2 (53:16):
Got that yet. All are reminded of I'm sorry, what's
the homeschool episode with the children.

Speaker 4 (53:21):
The children on the mantle.

Speaker 2 (53:25):
You're really good looking, Rebecca. It's sort of reminding of
that to some digizing tone a little bit tiny. But
they were more, oh yeah, they were a little bit
more self satisfied, whereas these guys are just sort of
happy and and and fulfilled. I did love stands reaction though,
to stop it, stop being nice to me.

Speaker 4 (53:45):
I don't want this at all. I'm here to fight you.
And then he walks back over and it's just what happened,
gone to his place and dinner. They all can't believe
you're supposed to kick his ass, not Licky's buttthole, and
they're just all completely baffled. And then we cut to
Gary's family, all playing living.

Speaker 5 (54:02):
Okay my turn ooh five, one, two, three, four or five?

Speaker 2 (54:06):
O oh lost your mortgage? Pay ten thousand dollars or no?

Speaker 5 (54:12):
Hey, it's Gary, Ary, ready to see you.

Speaker 6 (54:15):
How are you gay?

Speaker 5 (54:16):
Everybody? This is my new friends Stan Stan.

Speaker 3 (54:18):
This is my mom and dad.

Speaker 4 (54:19):
Hi, Stan, it's so nice to meet you.

Speaker 5 (54:22):
And this is my brother Mark, Hi, my sister Jenny, Hey,
my little brother Dave, Hi, and my baby sister Amanda.

Speaker 2 (54:29):
Hello. Stan.

Speaker 4 (54:31):
I just really liked this.

Speaker 2 (54:33):
Oh yeah, it's very sweet.

Speaker 4 (54:34):
Yeah, I get that. Parker here is mocking them with
the board game, saying, oh, we're having so much fun,
but do board games? Play them? Man, if you've got kids,
play ball games with the kids. Don't put an iPad
in front of them. Don't just if they want to
go outside and kick a footy, if they're not sports inclined,
play ball games with a man. It's great for just
establishing connections with your family. You're actually playing something and

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you're not looking at a screen. You're developing relationships, you know,
and it helps kids deal with losing as well. Absolutely,
because if I'm gonna beat you, man, I'm gonna win
this board game. Because with a lot of games come
down to chance. It's actually hard to let your kid
win a board game because if they roll the dice
and they roll the three and it means they die,

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they die. They have to learn that you don't always win,
and board games are a great way to establish that
with them. Sure, just and Thatt us fun to play. Okay,
board game is so good. Yeah, the family are all
excited that Gary is home. We've got Mark, Jenny, Dave
and baby sister Amanda hell standing, but it's family home.
Evening time where they don't allow TV. They just entertain

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each other with music and stories, which just sounds very lovely.
We do this sometimes we got TV's off. We're just
gonna look through photos, We're gonna play a game, and
every time we do, we have a great time. We
don't do it anywhere near enough. Yeah, to turn those
screens off. People turn those screens off. The Stands family
in this podcast on Stan's family don't do this at all.
And Dan then sends the kids to go get their

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instruments and what looks like the Brady family. Yeah, was
it more the Partridge Fang family, although the Brady is
they danced. I didn't play theirwn instruments, did they? I
think maybe Bobby was on the drums, maybe the fake drums,
but yeah, true, Greg was on the guitar, Wasn't it
was he?

Speaker 2 (56:12):
I can't.

Speaker 4 (56:13):
I don't never really watched it. They had not their
own variety. How I kind of show, didn't they They did? Yes,
yeah at a time. But then we get the montage
of dinner time and oh boy, who's the best moment
in the whole world, And everyone's just so thankful for
her and supporting Davis he's doing some juggling. Then Dad
performs Hamlet and Amanda does that. Is that the cash
chock cossack dance?

Speaker 2 (56:34):
Yeah?

Speaker 4 (56:34):
Yeah, she's worry a little Russian hatted. Yeah, now we
get Sarah tells a joke, but like her name is
Jenny because she's you actually hear another joke, but everyone
goes ha ha ha. And then Mark's is nice one Sarah.
I'm like, I don't think anyone whose room is called Sarah.
Was that just a mistake? I'm not sure was he
talk because the mother's name we find out a little

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bit later is we'll get to it in my notes,
but it's not Sarah. So that had to just be
had a mistake, right. He literally says nice one Sarah,
and there's no one in that room called Sarah. Okay,
we've established that the sister's name is Jenny, the baby
is Amanda, but the wife the mum. We find out
her name later on when Randy goes over there, catme
it's in my notes.

Speaker 2 (57:14):
We'll find it.

Speaker 4 (57:15):
It might be Alison. I can't. We'll get there, but
it's not Sarah. I'm going to take your word for it. Yeah,
I've got I've got it. We've got copious notes.

Speaker 2 (57:22):
I have got my.

Speaker 4 (57:22):
Copious notes indeed yet. But yeah, so this just having
a great time, and this whole time stands just looking back,
he's like, it's almost like he's trying to work out
what's happening here. I don't think he dislikes. It's just
going on, Wow, what people are having, They're enjoying each
other's company.

Speaker 2 (57:36):
What is this battle is exactly the right term. Now
he's not disgusted by or anything like. This is like
people actually live like this. Yeah, this is this is
a very different way of living.

Speaker 4 (57:45):
This can happen, Yeah, people can be happy. But then
we get the Dad Gary saying we should bring the
Book of Mormon and rich some scripture readings, and stand
doesn't know what the Book of Mormon is or even
who Joseph Smith is. So they asked Dad to tell
the story. Tell the story, Dad, and what we get
here is essentially just a Broadway musical of just Joseph
Smith walked down the street. Dumb, dumb, dumb, dumb, dumb.

Speaker 2 (58:08):
Dumb. Joseph Smith was called a prophet, dum dumb, dum
dum dumb. He started dum Mormon religion. Dumb dum dum
dum dum lyricals that kookie Joseph Smith. You know he
claims he spoke with God and Jesus. Well, how do
you know he did? Dumb dumb dum dum dumb.

Speaker 4 (58:26):
You're watching this and you just go, I'm smiling. I
can't even explain why I'm smiling. It's just something about
the Parker. We said the park on the stone. I
think Parker is the key writer for a lot of
these songs and whatnot. He has this way of just
making even the most mundane or negative themes feel uplifting
and make you smile uncle fucker. For example, how he

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makes that the most smiling, laugh out loud, happy, enjoyable
song is just talent.

Speaker 2 (58:54):
Well that's his secret source, isn't I mean, just uh,
taking these things that could be you dry or vulgar
or strange or whatever, and just you know, putting a
clock in it, making it jaunty. So yeah, that's certainly
his thing. But yeah, it's not as easy to pull
off as you might imagine. There's a reason that Trey

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Parker is Trade Parker.

Speaker 4 (59:16):
Some things are easy to pull off, somethings aren't.

Speaker 2 (59:18):
That's correct. I'm not sure what you mean.

Speaker 4 (59:21):
We tell the story here of how Joseph Smith claimed
he was visited by God and Jesus as well as
an angel, and he tells him how Native Americans.

Speaker 2 (59:27):
Were actually white.

Speaker 4 (59:29):
Yeah, it was from Jerusalem. I believe that's what the
story is.

Speaker 2 (59:32):
I once it's convoluted, but yeah, there's a lot of
mythology in there.

Speaker 4 (59:35):
And then we get a little through line which is
kind of like a similar vibe to the Cassiperanita here
where they keep saying and we all know what happened next,
don't we. If you don't know Mormonism, you don't actually
know what happened next. So I'm watching this going tell me,
please tell me. I need to know this. So it
was like last week of Casiberita, how we wanted to
see Casabita. I want to know what happens next because

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this doesn't make sense so far. Is there actually an
explanation and the payoff being Well, no, it's just there's.

Speaker 2 (01:00:00):
A really good storytelling of breaking it up throughout the episode,
as opposed to having one big chunk of life we've
been too much at once?

Speaker 4 (01:00:06):
Oh? Absolutely, yeah, But unfortunately Stan has no idea about
any of this. And then the rice Chrispy squares are
ready and Master suggests that they go hand them out
to the poor, but Stan says he's not coming because
you're supposed to be home by eight. They all give
a big hug and he leaves. Yeah, just entire family
joining John's company.

Speaker 2 (01:00:21):
Man, is something to live.

Speaker 4 (01:00:22):
I mean, as you said, there's always going to be arguments,
and arguments are okay if you're married with somebody, can't
be like this all the time. But if you could
try and see the positives like the Harrison seem to do,
that's definitely a better way to live your life in
my opinion. So Stand arrives home and Randy is showing
and watching TV. Sharon's just gives him like a half
hearted oh hey, son, hey, doing a far cry from

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how he was greeted at the Harrison's house. And he
questions them and why they didn't teach him about Joseph Smith.
And this is where Sharon points out God and Jesus
don't actually talk to people, acknowledging that there's no facts
behind any of any religion. That's just we believe it
just actually talk to people. But you know, exists, but
how it doesn't matter. He exists in our hearts and

(01:01:04):
exists in our minds. And the way we the way,
as you said, the way you live your life, and
the way you treat other people as is the religion,
isn't it really?

Speaker 2 (01:01:11):
Oh yeah?

Speaker 4 (01:01:12):
But Randy gets frustrated here because he thinks that the
Harrisons are trying to put wacky ideas into Stan's mind.
And sometimes you got to put these cult people in
their place. And Russell, I'll never stop leaved comes back.
Mister Harrison's a white guy, right, I laughed a lot.
That's just a great pisstake of white people.

Speaker 2 (01:01:31):
Pretty much, we're scared, he gets.

Speaker 4 (01:01:34):
But yeah, Randy's responds to here is again similar to
how the boys responded to Gary being a good student.
He's angry by the fact that the Harrison's are clearly
a nice family and he feels insecure about it, and
his reaction is to get angry and violent to show
I'm the man. I've got the strength, I've got the strength,
he out.

Speaker 2 (01:01:47):
But it was just an echo of the way that
Stan was acting in the and the kids reacting the school.

Speaker 4 (01:01:52):
That's what I was saying. Yeah, That's what I said. Yeah,
So Randy is on his way, grumbling to himself, see
you like my fists in your ars? And he gets them?
Gary is he greats at the door, He's so excited
to meet Randy. And Karen is where Karen? Interesting choice
for an Edward Karen. But I think Karen was a
thing in two thousand and three.

Speaker 2 (01:02:08):
I'm not sure when Karen actually the end of the
vernacular as can I speak to the manager? Yes?

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Karen has the rice Chrispy squares or covered in chocolate.
She invites him in couple of this, come in and
try one oh six.

Speaker 2 (01:02:52):
So good.

Speaker 4 (01:02:52):
But this is where Gary and Karen win over Randy
with open and mature dialogue and discussion. They acknowledge their mistakes,
apologize for it's in the situation, and Randy has left
no choice but to go I guess I'm the bad guy. Yeah,
I know I was overreacting. I don't know anybout it. It
doesn't know who Joseph Smith is. And then we get
the story of how Joseph Smith found another Testament from

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Jesus and explains how the Angel told him he can't
show the Gold place to anybody and he's the one
that has to translate them.

Speaker 2 (01:03:19):
It's using the Seer stone, using.

Speaker 4 (01:03:21):
The sear stones. Then Randy returns home with the Book
of Mormon. Would you say he's converted?

Speaker 2 (01:03:26):
I think he is. Oh, he's certainly well on the way.
He's more than curious.

Speaker 4 (01:03:30):
He says they're having them over for dinner tomorrow, and
I love to saying that's what happened to me. How
do they keep doing this to us? And it's almost
like they think, oh, they're manipulated, that's the only reason
we'll be doing it. It's like, no, they're just nice people,
and you're just subconscious going maybe I want this as well.
But they're not pushing it on them. They're just they're
living their life and these people who from the outside

(01:03:50):
are seeing them live their life and going, oh that's nice.

Speaker 2 (01:03:53):
Yes, but one might say, if you're a cynical person,
that's how the best cons work.

Speaker 4 (01:03:58):
But Randy is converted because he thinks there must be
something to that religion since they're also nice, happy and
loving towards one another, and declares that they're all officially Mormon.
And I've just got at this point due to Southwark's history,
I feel like there's gotta be a twist coming.

Speaker 2 (01:04:09):
Oh yeah, one's expecting a rug pull.

Speaker 4 (01:04:11):
Yeah, and that just wasn't, which I think is the
best way to handle this story. So because they did
the rub pull with the crab people and they've learned
there listen people, Okay. In the episode No so Standa
arrives and the boys all mocking for hanging out with Gary,
except Stan defends him and says, you know, you should
give this kid a chance. He's actually really nice and
really talented. You know, he's a good person. But then

(01:04:32):
Gary arrives and says his family about to go donate
some blood, and then he should come too, and then
his family all arrived with face paint and this bit
here I can get why if you're a kid, they
would seem very uncool.

Speaker 2 (01:04:41):
Oh yeah, yeah, that's the thing. I mean, with all
due respect the Harrisons, who are very nice for it together,
they're also yeah, kind of dorky.

Speaker 4 (01:04:50):
Yeah indeed, and particularly when you're eight to ten, that
would be seen as an old nor what no part
of this? Yeah, but as Gary's points out the end,
I'm happy you're not. H I don't mind this, but
I really loved Gary Sen. What the heck am I
supposed to be?

Speaker 1 (01:05:10):
Hey, look, we.

Speaker 4 (01:05:12):
Paid it our faces.

Speaker 2 (01:05:15):
I'm a lion, I am an alien.

Speaker 5 (01:05:17):
Hey, just what the heck am I supposed to be?

Speaker 1 (01:05:22):
My good you're gonna come with us to the fire station, Stan,
Uh No, I've got a.

Speaker 3 (01:05:26):
Lot to do.

Speaker 5 (01:05:27):
Well, Gary, you want to just hang out with your friends?

Speaker 2 (01:05:29):
Stan?

Speaker 5 (01:05:30):
Oh, well, I'd like to, but oh man, I would
miss you guys so much.

Speaker 1 (01:05:34):
We'd miss you too, Gary. Oh, we'll all see each
other tonight when we go to Stand's house for dinner.

Speaker 2 (01:05:39):
Stay and play with your friends, Gary, Yeah, have a
good time.

Speaker 3 (01:05:42):
Boys, let's go, Wow, So what do you guys want
to do?

Speaker 1 (01:05:53):
That's cool, We're gonna leave you to let birds alone.
The three of us have to go put in some
volunteer work at the Homeless Shell too.

Speaker 3 (01:05:58):
Oh cool, I'm gonna do that tomorrow.

Speaker 1 (01:06:01):
Jesus chrizy.

Speaker 4 (01:06:02):
I get the sense here that they're trying to say
that the Harrisons are a bit much. But if I'm
watching this thinking that Cartman is the douchebag here, Cartman
is always the bad guy. But do you think they
want us to think that Cartman is the bad guy?
But going Jesus Christ, calm down? Or is it the
case of well, Harrisons are a bit coming on, a
bit thick.

Speaker 2 (01:06:21):
Yeah, I think we're very much as viewers a lot
of us are would be in the shoes of Stan
and the marsh family. We're sort of being drawn into
and also we're being drawn in and repelled by the Harrisons,
not at the same time. But Wow, they're really nice. Wow,

(01:06:41):
if this is the belief system that makes them feel
this way, maybe there's something to it. It's like, Eh,
sometimes they're a bit much? Can anyone be this nice
all the time you're volunt you're giving blood today, volunteering
at the helmless shuttle tomorrow. I'm not like this.

Speaker 4 (01:06:56):
Can we give a shout out to one of our
former co workers, Roland? He is the Harrison's right. He
is just like the nicest guy all the time. You
got up with him recently and you watched it and
with him and you're thinking there's got to be an
angle here. No, he's just a happy guy.

Speaker 2 (01:07:13):
There were certainly times when I've seen Roll get frustrated.

Speaker 4 (01:07:16):
Yes, and he's like, but that's not the normal frustrated. No,
it's not like anywhere, and it's not he's trying to
keep it in. It's like he just deals with it
in a very positive way.

Speaker 2 (01:07:25):
Yeah. But generally when you see Rolling, I think this
was the first time i'd seen him in maybe five
or six years. Yeah, it was like no time had
passed it all. Roland. I don't know, if you're a subscriber,
you should be be a patron buddy. But yeah, one
of the nicest guys on the planet. Yeah, and we.

Speaker 4 (01:07:43):
Built up the mistike the legend of Rolling on this podcast.

Speaker 2 (01:07:45):
I really have to get him on the show.

Speaker 4 (01:07:49):
We know what these guys don't keep Rolling.

Speaker 2 (01:07:53):
Roll to be pushing his own Patreon No, but did genuine,
genuine guy our power roll in Anderson very much like
the Harrison's.

Speaker 4 (01:08:03):
But it's clear that Stan is torn because he's a kid, right,
and he's intrigued and he wants to be a part
of this new life that he's discovered with Gary Love.
These guys are clearly nice, they'd loving, but he's also
told because his friends are mocking it, and he's still
doesn't want to be uncol because when you're a kid,
lasting you want to be is uncool and unpopular, and
his best friends are all they're doing is mocking it.
So it's like, do I go with this new kid
Gary who's a bit of a dog, but he's really

(01:08:24):
happy and he's really nice, Or do I go with
my friends who are going to be here forever who
are mocking it? Where do I stand? But also familiar
and that I'm used to? Yeah, this is the way
we've been doing things for Good and the Stones how long? Yeah,
It's it's multi layered.

Speaker 2 (01:08:38):
In a lot of ways. Yeah, it's like because stand
is also thinking what's.

Speaker 4 (01:08:43):
The catch yep standing questions Gary? And what Joseph Smith
did after finding the Golden Place, and Gary says he
translated them. Yep, but how And Gary tells the story
of Joseph Smith asking mister Harris for money for publishing costs,
going to translate it with the Seerstone. And you need
to have them somewhere dark so I can read them
with the spiritual like spiritual might read their spiritual might. Sorry,
And then at the time the Book of Mormon was written,

(01:09:04):
and dumb, dumb, dumb, dumb dumb, they're definitely mocking it.
But it's very not a loving way. Is it a
loving way?

Speaker 2 (01:09:12):
It's a it's it's a semi affection, that's semi Can
you believe, Lucia?

Speaker 4 (01:09:18):
Yeah? Yeah, But the Marshals are now having family evening
time and playing living this time, Shelley just wants to
watch TV. And Stan is clearly starting to question the
accuracy of the Mormon story. He's like, wait a minute,
what this doesn't really make too much sense. And the
Book of Mormon says that Adam and Eve we're from Jackson, Candy, Missouri.
I believe that's where they were from, and whatnot. And look, listen, Son,

(01:09:39):
you can't believe everything the school tells you. Okay, so
just basically here they're almost mocking it here by saying
that Randy is throwing it all the watch going don't
believe schools believe this story that is probably made up.
It's just it's a weird situation to be in, isn't it.

Speaker 2 (01:09:53):
Well, yeah, because these people are well not well versed
in metaphors and analogies. Let's say, I mean you look
at your say, the Bible, yeah, typical, oh, your Holy Bible,
the Holy Bible, like the stories of Jesus and all
that kind of stuff.

Speaker 6 (01:10:10):
Sorry is Jesus Usah, you can look at it literally
as like wow, he got nailed or cross and you
know all that kind of die fores sens like, well,
that's that's pretty harsh.

Speaker 2 (01:10:22):
I'm not sure. I mean, maybe that did actually happen
and all that, But you know, what do I take
away from that? It's like, well, you know, sometimes a
bit of self sacrifice is good. Sometimes, you know, doing
something that's a bit selfless or very selfless, like getting
yourself crucified, you can have a positive net effect.

Speaker 4 (01:10:40):
So we discussed this on Talking Sopher with the old
man doing something positive to make you, for the community,
to make yourself feel better. That's not doing it for
different reasons. Correct, horrible, horrible people. They are certainly not
Harrison's the characters south of Sign you not indeed, but
the Harrison's arrived or happy to see everybody. And Randy
brings up the standards, questioning things now, but they say

(01:11:00):
it's only because he hasn't heard the path that proves
Joseph was telling the truth. Martin went home to his
wife dumb, dumb, dumb, dumb, dumb, and showed her pages
from the book Cup Mormon, dumb dumb, dum, dum dumb.

Speaker 1 (01:11:13):
And so Joseph Smith put his head into a hat
and read to me what the Golden Plate said. I
wrote it all down and we're gonna publish it into
a book. Martin, how do you know he isn't just
making stuff up and pretending he's translating off golden plates.

Speaker 4 (01:11:28):
Lucy Harris smart smart, smart SMARTSTZ smart smart.

Speaker 2 (01:11:32):
Why would he make it up?

Speaker 4 (01:11:34):
Martin, Harris, dumb d dumb. All right here, I'm gonna
hide these pages.

Speaker 2 (01:11:39):
If Joseph Smith really.

Speaker 5 (01:11:40):
Is translating off of golden plates, then he'll be able
to do it again.

Speaker 4 (01:11:43):
But if Joseph Smith is making it all up. Then
the new translations will be different from these. Okay, fine,
I bet it'll have no problem. Lucy Harris smart, smart, smart,
Martin Harris dumb a fun way of mocking it. I think,
if you watch this at the moment, it just gonna
se the fny side of the situation, don't you.

Speaker 2 (01:12:01):
Well hopefully, because.

Speaker 4 (01:12:02):
As they point out the end of Gary, it's probably stupid,
but we don't care. It's what we choose to believe in,
and that's fine. It should be okay with you too.
But she hides the pages and says, get him to
do it again. But he thinks, quick on his feet,
Old Joseph here and says, well, God is angry that
you lost the pages, and you'll never let me translate
from the plane of Lehigh I think, and again, it's
gonna be the same basic story, just written a little
bit different. Is this the actual story? It's hilarious.

Speaker 2 (01:12:27):
We needed to dive a little deeper in the history
of Joseph Smith and all hones stuff, because he comes
across as a little bit of a grifter.

Speaker 4 (01:12:34):
But I don't understand how that could actually be part
of the story. If Joseph Smith's I wrote the story.
The only one any way that part of the story
could come out is if mister Harris told that father
the story. Yeah, anyway doesn't matter. The Harrisons are happily
telling the story, but Stan can't believe that they actually
believe it. Mark says, it's all the matter of faith.
You know, you can choose a believer, you choose not
to believe it. And they're saying that. He says, no,

(01:12:54):
that's not it at all. You need to back up
and prove your stories. You can't say all this didn't
happen and then not prove it. And then I think
it's Randy that don't doubts our religion. But they but
then personally they go, no, you don't want to believe.
That's fine, Stam, But he thinks they're trying to sucker
him in and sucking him Randy for just by being
overly nicey. He's trying to see through what he thinks
is a charade.

Speaker 2 (01:13:12):
You're just trying to sucker and dumb people like my dad.

Speaker 4 (01:13:14):
Randy says, yeah, but it's great in that stands only
way to comprehend how a family could possibly be so
warm and understanding and loving was that it had to be
the lab as a scam. And that's how conspiracies are
prove it. It's just the inability to accept reality. It's
this can't be real, so it's got to be it's
got to be stuff that they're not telling us. They're

(01:13:36):
not telling us, so he thinks, is it's got to
be a scam. It can't. You can't possibly be that
nice and that happy.

Speaker 2 (01:13:40):
But or you were using this wonderful life that you
seemingly have yea, just to rack up the numbers in
the Mormon religion, just to get more recruits.

Speaker 4 (01:13:49):
Yeah, So they throw them out and the Harrison's turn around,
and as a viewer me personally, I was expecting him
to go, oh, well, yeah, we tried, but no, it's
let's go to have a water Billon invite. They're just, oh, well,
fuck them, let's just go. Let's go live that a
happy life. And when at the bus stop and stand
says he's not gonna be hanging out with Gary anymore,
and you'll be doing all he can to avoid him, essentially,
But Gary arrives and gets his boss moment.

Speaker 5 (01:14:12):
Hey Stan, oh brother, Eh the jut it never returns. Listen,
I just wanted to let you know you don't have
to worry about me trying to be your friend anymore.
I don't look Maybe a Mormon's do believe in crazy
stories that make absolutely no sense, and maybe Joseph Smith
did make it all up, but I have a great
life and a great family, and I have the Book
of Mormon to thank for that. The truth is, I
don't care if Joseph Smith made it all up, because

(01:14:33):
what the church teaches now is loving your family, being nice,
and helping people. And even though people in this town
might think that's stupid, I still choose to believe in it.
All I ever did was try to be your friend, Stan,
But you're so high and mighty you couldn't look past
my religion and just be my friend back.

Speaker 3 (01:14:47):
You got a lot of growing up to do. Buddy,
suck my balls.

Speaker 4 (01:14:51):
Well a boss moment, Mike drop and then and then
Cartlin thinks he's cool. Oh yeah, after all that that
comes up, Oh that guy's cool.

Speaker 2 (01:14:59):
That thing common probably said the last three words of
that sentence. Yeah, And it was like, wow, that get's cool.

Speaker 4 (01:15:04):
But this is just a great way to mock and
appreciate religion altogether in a way that you never come
out of this feeling like religion is bad. We also
need come out of it thinking religion is the way either.

Speaker 2 (01:15:15):
Oh yeah, yeah, as we said, pokes out the points
out the inconsistencies, the fallacies, the high sometimes you just
plain silliness of what you'd find in religious text and
religious tenets. But also yeah, just as we said, celebrates
and respects most important. We do you get the positive
effect that a life of faith can have. But not everyone,

(01:15:38):
but for certain people.

Speaker 4 (01:15:39):
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That's fine, that shal It may have something to do
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I have no memory by title of butt out. But

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