The Passion Of The Jew (S08E03)

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
We don't want to torture you.

Speaker 2 (00:01):
I get it, but you don't have a choice. Is
that it? Well?

Speaker 3 (00:04):
Go ahead, I just sure hope you don't use those
whips over there.

Speaker 2 (00:07):
On the wall.

Speaker 4 (00:08):
Dude.

Speaker 1 (00:08):
Can we please just have eighteen dollars back from you?

Speaker 3 (00:10):
I have to use that money to build my church.
I've brought the fire and brimstone back to Christianity with
the passion, and now I'm going to start my own church.
And do you know why? So I can play Banjo Jesus, How.

Speaker 1 (00:21):
I Love you?

Speaker 4 (00:22):
How I Love you Jesus?

Speaker 1 (00:24):
Dude, this guy is freaking davvy kick eh.

Speaker 5 (00:30):
Welcome to going down the South bar of the podcast
where we go watch Bill Gibson's the Passion.

Speaker 2 (00:35):
I'm dan to I've seen Mail Gibson's me with the
passion I have. Now I'm feeling very passionate. I'm guy,
by the way, feeling very passionate about this episode. We're
gonna be walking through a bit of a minefield. I
think I discussing this episode, there isn't it? Well? Yeah,
I mean in a lot of ways it is, certainly.
But one not I've written here is that what was
controversial but funny twenty years ago. Hits a little different

(00:58):
in twenty twenty five, given the current state of the word,
given the current state of things that happened in well,
I won't say our city of Melbourne, but we're Melbourne adjacent.
Something happened this weekend that was, yeah, not dissimilar to
what was you know, discussed in this episode. So interesting
times in the state of the world. So, yeah, let's
travel back twenty years or someone talk about the Passion

(01:20):
of the Jew. Yeah.

Speaker 5 (01:21):
So the brief plot of this out of this episode
is that Kyle goes to see the Passion of the
Christ or it's called the Passion of Christ and it
is called the Passion of the Grit.

Speaker 2 (01:29):
Yeah. Yeah, I've got the patch of the Chaser.

Speaker 5 (01:31):
We're surprised here South Park change the name of it
to that, right, But he goes to see it and
he realized was cartman or doesn't damn it just goes to.

Speaker 2 (01:37):
Say, how dare you start making statement without knowing all
the facts? You go, it's real. I always use the
term jiu jitsu when it comes to cartman. Really shouldn't
use the term jiu jitsu when it comes to cartmen.
But it's a common tact. It was like, well, if
you don't know, if you haven't seen certain thing, then
how can you speak about any authority. It's a statement
that actually has some merit, but yeah, it's often used

(01:58):
by people like Carton. It's like this thing that I
really enjoyed, you've never seen it, you know, without all
the facts, how can you present a proper logical argument.

Speaker 5 (02:06):
So Kyle goes to see the film and realize, or
he thinks in himself, how can.

Speaker 2 (02:10):
We do this to Jesus clothing jew?

Speaker 5 (02:13):
Yes, yeah, so he's now a crisis of conscious It's
always a crisis of faith with Kyle's in it very much.

Speaker 2 (02:19):
So yeah, if not faith in sort of just existential
What's I'm looking for? Not misunderstanding but kind of dismay.

Speaker 5 (02:26):
Yes, yeah, I think there's there's three stories here. So
there's it's all to take the mickey out of the
reaction post release of the Passion of the Christ. Sure,
so you've got the guilt from a Jewish person, You've
got the anti Semite who is using it as fuel
to cleanse the jew community Jewish community, and then you've
got Stan and Kenny, who I feel represent just the
average person who has no stake in the game, just

(02:48):
going it would be sucked money back. That's the three stories. Yeah,
and they go to try and get the money back
from mel Gibson and Shenanigans Andagans.

Speaker 2 (02:56):
Jew and they realize in a nice sort of meta moment,
but realize, oh, this person who is steering the ship
is kind of a loon. Yeah.

Speaker 5 (03:05):
Now, I was fifteen when the film came out. I
had no interest in seeing it, but I remember it
just being the film that even if you weren't religious,
you kind of had to see it because everyone was
talking about it. You didn't want to miss out, and
you couldn't just go and stream it and down it.

Speaker 2 (03:19):
At that point.

Speaker 5 (03:19):
It probably could, but you have to go to that
bloke it works at your workplace as a bag full.

Speaker 2 (03:22):
Of bird Davidies to get it. That's the thing. It
wasn't just something you pull you fone and I'm going
to find it somehow. No. No, your mate who's been
to Bali comes back with the very patient for you.

Speaker 5 (03:33):
But he the VCD were two discs, that's what it
used to be like, that's right. Yeah, So I remember
my parents went to go see it, and I remember
thinking what is it about this film? And I never
bothered to watch it. I just never I've never had
an interest. I've always been going to go, I'll watch
it one day, and then I never have.

Speaker 2 (03:49):
It's understood what It's a very it was a very
sort of mass illusional kind of thing.

Speaker 5 (03:55):
Yeah, it was the chaos that ensued in this episode
post release of the film similar obviously not to this level, no,
but was their hostility and anger, and I think it
was just one of those things that started that was
it was a conversation starter. And of course he as
with any art, but something this provocative and this incendiary,

(04:15):
of course, is going to get heightened opinions and heightened
takes on it. Yeah, but essentially it was more a
talking point.

Speaker 2 (04:21):
It's like stuff like yeah, it's very violent, it's very bloody. Yeah,
and yeah, Mel's going to say, well that's the point, guys,
you know, I mean, look at what Jesus went through
for you according to the book. Yeah, look at the
sacrifice that he made for you. This is my way
of representing or depicting It's like, you know, we always oh, wow,

(04:43):
Jesus died for your sins, Like wow, good for him.
Thanks Jesus. Appreciate it. Dude did me a solid. He's
of a minus. Like, no, no, he died for your
sins and in a really bad way, so you know,
you should really appreciate this sacrifice in the way look
at it. Look at what they did to this guy.
You know, they whacked a crown of thorns on his head.
That's pretty gnarly as it is, made him, you know,

(05:04):
trudge the streets of I Believe Jerusalem. Sorry, I'm not
really a bad Catholic getting stones from him and people
spinning at him and another false messa go get fucked,
and then they nailed him to a cross, and then
they started sticking spears into him and laughing at him
and all this stuff and the bad rap for Jesus.
You know, appreciate what he did for you. Because Mells

(05:25):
a hardcore Christian, very hardcore, so yeah, very spiritual, spiritual,
want to start his jail. So yeah, I mean that's
I think that was the main takeaway was like, oh wow,
I mean this guy really believes in this mode of
thinking when it comes to Christianity and God and Jesus Christ.

Speaker 5 (05:45):
Was there issues with him profiting from that in a
sense with the film.

Speaker 2 (05:50):
I don't think anyone sort of well, to my mind
at least, I don't think anyone really took issue with
that so much because it was very much a gamble
on his part. I mean he was he was legitimator, right,
he financed, He legitimately walked like he talked it. You know,
he's not going to the studios and oh maybe he
did it initially and they said no, thanks, Mal, we
don't want any part of this. But he threw down

(06:11):
his own money, a sizeable a man, I mean tens
of millions of dollars, I believe, Yeah, on a project
that seems wildly uncommercial. It's not in English, any of it.
Well that's the thing, Yeah, it's in our make. He
initially wanted to make it as a silent movie and
then he's silent. Yeah, and I think he's world.

Speaker 5 (06:28):
Have taken away from the criscificion scene. I feel like
he needed to hear the anguish.

Speaker 2 (06:31):
Oh, I mean, well, not silent, no dialogue.

Speaker 5 (06:35):
So thirty million dollars was the budget and A made
six hundred and twelve.

Speaker 2 (06:38):
Yeah, and he bankrolled it. So yeah, he makes that back.
I don't think anyone's going oh Mel's profiteering on the
death of Christ or anything like that. Who isn't let
me tell you a little about a little or organization
called the church. To my mind, most of the reaction
was like, well, he bet on himself and he won. Yeah,

(07:01):
and not and not in a way. That's kind of
like ron hold holding up bags of money. That was
like his faith was justified in a way.

Speaker 5 (07:09):
But was the film for detractors of the Jewish community,
Was there angst justified by the success of the film
purely based off a word of mouth aspect? As opposed
to it? Was the film actually good? Quite possibly was
standing Kenny's hatred towards the film justified.

Speaker 2 (07:24):
Okay, here, let me put my old movie reviewer hat
on for a moment. I have not revisited The Passion
of the Christ since in twenty years. I saw it once,
and films to be really revisit though, Oh I think
everyone's got their favorites, their comfort movies.

Speaker 5 (07:37):
He's got their twenty thirty films. Yeah, but don't revisit
every film.

Speaker 2 (07:40):
Oh No, absolutely not. I think if I enjoyed either
the craft or the story or whatever of the Passion
of Christ more, I might go back and revisit it.
Maybe I'll go back and you know, rewatch it. After
talking about it during this episode, how long is the film?
Two hours? I thought it was longer for some reason.
Leads into what I was saying putting the reviewer hat on.
It's not something I wanted to revisit. But I remember
at the time and I think I'm willing to stand

(08:01):
by this. I was really just taken with, like, this
is a really well made movie. I mean, it's in
this language that it's essentially a dead language that no
one in the stands it's sub Oh no, sorry, my mistake.
It's not that he was going to make it a
silent movie. It's says that he was going to have
it in Aramaic, but he wasn't going to have subtitles
that would have been crazy. Yeah, yeah, sorry, so yeah,

(08:23):
my mistake in that regard. But still I was wondering,
how are they going to be communicating wildly uncomversial, just
rarely grabbed Jesus up. Maybe yeah, sorry, it was going
to be an Arab made, yeah, wildly uncommercial. I was
watching it going even with sometimes like yeah, I know
exactly what's going on here. I know what you're trying
to convey. These performances are very powerful, and I'm getting

(08:44):
a real feeling like wow, yeah, this was a pretty
big deal, a pretty big sacrifice of Jesus made. So
I walked out of a going not going. It wasn't
wasn't sorry that was that was a video moment. It
was converted testify, testify, But I was like, wow, I
Parker and Stone they say this later on, was like,

(09:06):
the son of a bitch may be crazy, but he
knows story structure. Mel Gibson knows how to make movies. Yeah,
he really.

Speaker 5 (09:11):
Does, but you wouldn't know that for I feel like
watching this episode, their main theme was that you should
not be taking this film seriously because mel Gibson's a
whack job and he's not a good filmmaker. I thought
standing Kenny represented Trey and Matt's genuine voice and displeasure
for the film. But saying that, so that actually did
they do that? After this episode sort of I think

(09:33):
how evil they were to give quite.

Speaker 2 (09:34):
Possibly, but maybe they just didn't. Well maybe Parker and
Stone slash Stalin, Kylin, Stan and Kenya pardon me, Yeah,
We're just like, why is everyone here? So getting so
worked up and thinking, oh, this movie is the Second Coming,
when it's just like, oh, this is just brutal, this
is just mean. Yeah, and that's kind of the point
of the movie as well. What I took away from

(09:55):
there from this episode making mel Gibson come across like
an ab salute whack job, is that invariably people who
go all in on a certain I won't say a
messiahy because that's Jesus, but a supreme leader type. A
lot of these supreme leader types are either pretty wacky

(10:15):
or just not worth your adoration.

Speaker 5 (10:18):
Sinces did beforehand with the joy of set the Leader. Hmmm,
so he's just a guy writing a fake helicopter thing. Remember,
Oh yeah, absolute leader means and look at that.

Speaker 2 (10:31):
You look at it. Any story that does like that,
like the Wizard of Oz. Friends, they were like, oh
my goodness, oh wow, the all powerful, wonderful Wizard of Oz. Oh,
I pay attention to the man behind the curtain. And
by the end of this episode, first of all, all
these people are following Cartman, who's basically just a little
analog for Hitler.

Speaker 5 (10:46):
In this I thought it was interesting throughout the entire
so we'll get dove into that story at the moment,
but I just thought, did they actually know? Because they
don't actually right say whether they you or not right,
And by the end of it you realize they didn't.

Speaker 2 (10:57):
I'm sitting is the King going to be?

Speaker 5 (10:59):
We're supposed to think that they don't realize what Cartman's
actually saying, but in reality and they do.

Speaker 2 (11:05):
Be. We'll talk about what he's actually saying, which but
these people are blindly following carp and mainly for their
own reason, like oh well it's little boys. Yeah, it's like, oh, well,
we love the passion of the Christ and oh oh
we can all get together and talk about it and
share our feelings. Oh and we're led by a child.
One of my favorite bits. By the way, I don't
want to step on favorite moments, but this is one
of my favorite bits, and that's quintessential Trey Parker, like

(11:28):
live it to a child to show us the way. Huh,
it's all The line is great. Secondly, the line delivery
is great. But you know, you can imagine Sorry, I
don't want to diss too many Christians or anything like that,
but you can imagine someone who's really sincere, you going, yeah,
the wisdom of a child, right, So I just love
that moment. It's one of the it's one of the
things I remember from the Passion of the Gyar from
the first time I watched it. Yeah, so of course

(11:49):
they're going to blindly follow this kid who's like, oh,
I just you know, I'm a big fan. I'm a
big fan of the Passion of the Christ. I'm a
big believer in mel Gibson and all this kind of stuff,
And yeah, I'm The message that I want to share
with you is like Jesus, follow Jesus, not really, And
all these people are so blinded by that idea. And
like the kid's dressed like Hitler and he's saying stuff that,
oh it must be Ara make like the movie is
like actually German, and what he's saying is what does

(12:11):
he mean? Oh? What fun you take? You get to
the very end of the episode. Sorry, was skipping all
over the place, but you know when Cartman actually meets
his Messiah or his supreme leader, Mel Gibson, Oh let
me kiss your shoes. Oh you're the best defecates on
his face. Mel Gibson's got no time with this. He's
just so wrapped up in his own message and his

(12:31):
own nuttiness. He just takes a shit on cap call.

Speaker 5 (12:35):
Me crazy, right, and probably gonnay people not appreciating this.
I thought that Mel Gibson character in this detracted from
the episode. I just didn't find it all that funny
or maybe not all that clever for the standard that
tray And might have set for celebrity parodies. Right, let's
go back to the Jennifer Lopez one. I thought that
was just so hilarious. This one here just felt like

(12:58):
it could genuinely be any besides the quotes from the films,
and the and the costumes he was wearing that were
from his films. Definitely just you could have applied this
insanity to any celebrity. I get where coming he didn't
feel Gibson centric.

Speaker 2 (13:10):
This felt very Gibson centric. It did, Yeah, because I
mean I just wasn't old enough to understand at the time.
Or Yeah, I think a lot of what his screen
presence was based on, or sort of an intrinsic part
of that was his not just willingness, but sort of
eagerness to get beaten up or to be sort of tortured. Yeah, essentially,
I mean there's it's not in every movie, but there's

(13:33):
you know, in the first lead the Weapon, for instance,
the scene where he's sort of chained up and he's
getting electric shock treatment from some torture or whatever. He
seems really into it. Not not like, oh, I'm really
enjoying this, but ah, he's like I mean he's been
He's good throughout the whole movie, still standing, he's a
really good actor. But yeah, when he gets chances to
sort of like be beaten up or be beating people up,

(13:55):
he really seems to revel in violence. So yeah, for
for Parkerinstone to sort of take that and run with
it a little bit, Oh you want to touch me? Ah,
Like that was lost on me. I'm like, what is
going on here? Or in Braveheart.

Speaker 5 (14:11):
I thought it was just their way of trying to
have him be the Jesus in the episode. So I
talked to teacher, I'm torturing me. I'm your Messiah.

Speaker 2 (14:18):
Well that's the thing. I mean, I think the passion
of Christ, god of feels like the potheosis of that.
They're like an apex of that where he's like, yeah,
I really see myself as Jesus sometimes Yeah, and I'm
willing to be sort of I'm willing to take the
hits for your entertainment. I'll let myself be hung up
and I'll hippo letric shocks, or I'll be tied down
to a table and be disemboweled in Brave Heart or
something like that.

Speaker 5 (14:37):
Could just be a generational thing because even though I'm
I'm thirty six and I was chid of the nineties,
Gibson wasn't. I know, he wasn't like a huge start
to us. You know, he was you start too, because
you grew up in the eighties, you know what I mean.
So he he was that leathal weapon, that bad Max
styp Yes, so these films were old to us.

Speaker 2 (14:53):
That's the thing. I mean, he's pretty much part of
the Hollywood establishment by in the nineties. Yeah, he's kind
of he's doing what women want and things like that.
That's in the two thousand, I think it was actually
two thousand. Yeah, I think he's sort of starting to
be on the way and a little bit in the
two thousands, mainly because people are starting to twig this
guy might be a little bit crazy.

Speaker 5 (15:12):
It was that a consensus because that was a lot
of bit of this stemmed from.

Speaker 2 (15:16):
Yeah, his timeline sort of all over the shop really
because it's hard to recall exactly when. Okay, so when
did he do that thing in Malibu where he got
pulled over by the.

Speaker 5 (15:24):
Cops, the cop six Oh that was two years after this, Okay, Yeah,
so I think, yeah, it's interesting that they did this
prior to that.

Speaker 2 (15:32):
I imagine they've been rumored circular. I'm pretty sure they've
been rumor circular. And it's like, I think ma might
be a bit anti Medica. I think he he was
certainly had a reputation as someone who drinking, drinking, all
that kind of stuff.

Speaker 5 (15:43):
It's to be pretty gratifying for Parker, and starting to
read the news that he did that two years after
this episode sort of just it made all this make.

Speaker 2 (15:49):
Sense, I guess.

Speaker 5 (15:51):
So, yeah, he's just a crazy guy who's racist as well,
and it orders came out.

Speaker 2 (15:56):
This leads into something and look, I'm probably gonna just
get myself booted from goodness knows what here. But I
was thinking about this this morning, you know, sort of
preparing for this episode about the way movie stars used
to be. We've talked a bit on our various shows,
not just this one or even for thing a discount
of the movie guide about we don't really make movie

(16:17):
stars the way we used to, right and way back
in the day when you had movie stars and you
also had TV stars, and there's a difference between the two.
It's hard to break both. Oh well, yeah, because TV
stars were usually people who were a little more sort
of whitebread, because you welcome them in your home. Perry Anderson, O, no, no,
even you're like, they're generally like, oh, well, you're nice

(16:38):
and friendly in the fancy of all the kind of
because you couldn't do much on TV, you couldn't swear,
you couldn't allude to stuff like that. Sounds like, oh well,
these people are well, as you said, Perry and Anson,
they my friends. But yeah, it's generally people who like, oh,
you're not going to offend me. You're very sort of vanilla,
no rough edges anything like that. People are movies, movies,

(17:00):
big screen, larger than live often had something a little
bit different about them or a little bit sort of well,
these are larger than life. They're not like me at all.
And mel Gibson kind of embody that in some ways
incredibly handsome, very talented, also kind of an unpredictable edge.
I was like, this guy might be crazy, but it's

(17:21):
a kind of crazy that I enjoy watching that I
don't see every day, that I certainly don't see on TV.
Did you ever interview it? I never did. I thought
you told a story once.

Speaker 5 (17:27):
Maybe you said you were watching interview once where at
any moment you felt like he could just snap if
you said that, if you asked the wrong question.

Speaker 2 (17:36):
I think something I watched, Well, this was fairly recent,
but he did the he did Joe Rogan's.

Speaker 5 (17:42):
This wasn't It wasn't that There was a news on
where he was talking to a woman. She asked on
question and he was just not happy about it.

Speaker 2 (17:48):
Do you remember that one? It would have been within
the last five years. I think maybe I can't remember
that one. Just I do remember the Rogan one where
it just seemed like he was this character from the episode, Yeah,
an older, more weathered version, but also it's like are
you on something? Are you high on life, or are
you high on something? He was on something because he

(18:10):
was very much talking about every topic, but with one
hundred percent certainty and conviction. That's what they do though.
Oh yeah, yeah, that's that's what makes him a movie
star and a pretty good actor. But also then you
take away from.

Speaker 5 (18:23):
That was Mel Gibson calls Dean Richards an asshole on TV.
I was in twenty ten. Apparently I typed to Mel
Gibson Rant News and this is all these options. So
someone asked about a Jewish question. Yeah, and he didn't
appreciate it.

Speaker 2 (18:40):
Well, yeah, maybe not. Maybe he's just sick of being
sort of affiliated with that stuff. Who knows.

Speaker 5 (18:44):
I mean, look, I'm done with that, I know, and
just try certainly and just sort of like disappearing for
a while and going did you forget yet? I know
people have come out and said I'm here to back
them and give him a second chance, like the guy
was giving several chances. Yeah, true, when was the one
with these misses? When he was Well, that's the thing.

(19:04):
I mean what I said before about the timeline's like, yeah,
he's got a lot of So that was many years
after the initial one. If you don't learn from that
first one, then it's all I think it's just you, buddy.

Speaker 2 (19:14):
I would hate to be these PR people, or actually
I would love to be his PR people, because you'd
never been large fortune you didn't be able to work.

Speaker 5 (19:20):
Yeah, but there are other stories in this episode. It
wasn't just the mel Gibsone. We'll get to the cup
and one in a minute, we'll go in depth with that.
But I just wanted to touch on standing Kenny. They're
saying earlier, I feel like they were there to represent
the casual audience who had no stake in the game.
Do you feel that the same way? Do you feel
like they were there just the people who were just
going to see the movie because everyone else was going
to see it. Not necessarily religious, but it's like, I

(19:41):
want to be up with it and understand what everyone's
talking about going to it and going there's no film here,
there's no story here. It's just there is a story.
But it's like it's not a movie story. It's just
a snuff film, as they put it.

Speaker 2 (19:53):
Yeah, I disagree with that. I don't agree with with
that take on it. Okay, I think it's an actually
pretty well made movie. I think it's a very violent movie.
And yeah, I imagine that the average moviego who went
in yeah, might go, wow, this is a lot more
graphic than I expected. Although that was all the people
were talking about people weren't necessarily saying wow, what a
you know, beautifully insightful look into the life of Jesus

(20:15):
or something like that. Ninety percent of the people who
came in and walked out saying, shuit, that was bloody.
You know.

Speaker 5 (20:21):
I remember it must have been last year. It was
the first time since the Passion of the Christ. I
don't recall all the press sort of saying people are
throwing up in the cinemas, people are walking out, they
can't handle it.

Speaker 2 (20:33):
Terrify a four, oh three or four because only.

Speaker 5 (20:36):
Three sorry four, it's been made. Yeah, terrify three. Last
year when Terrifier three came out, all you heard was
people are vomiting in the cinema, and that kind of
hype just makes you want to go watch it. Oh yeah,
It's like I don't think I can handle it either,
but I kind of have to see Anyway's feel like
a car crash. How caen do you go past a
car crash and it don't look that look?

Speaker 2 (20:55):
I'd better say, yeah, yeah, what is it about us?

Speaker 5 (20:58):
It makes us want to do that? But they I
remember the hype of the Passion of the Christ at
the time, old women are falling over and in this
in the aisles they're trying that they can't handle. People
are throwing up, people are so angry, people are storming
out of the cinema. And it made me, as a teenager, go,
how that's pretty cool.

Speaker 2 (21:13):
How much of that is clickbait? How much? I mean?
What is clickbait a thing? Nor? Clickbait's always been a thing, man,
as long as we've got the media, it's not clickbait.
But it's you, you know, you know, saying if it bleeds,
it leads, you get a head. It's headless body and
topless bar. It's not like, oh, well, this is a
quite bloody but quite impassioned story about the life and

(21:35):
death of Jesus Christ.

Speaker 5 (21:36):
So male gives him, paid some people to go from
it in the cinema film that.

Speaker 2 (21:39):
Maybe did anyone really bomb? You hear this so many
times about the Exorcist, about Jaws, about whatever. It's like,
oh my god, so intense, or you know pop fictions
like did you hear that someone actually had a heart
attack when they you know, they put the hypodemic needle
into protection. I've just come up with a million dollar
business out here, hyperdermic noodles. Someone actually fainted the Calm't

(22:04):
film Firstival when they put that hyperdemic needle into the
filman's chest. Didn't happen. Never happened.

Speaker 5 (22:10):
I will wage to print the legend though, right.

Speaker 2 (22:11):
Oh, absolutely print the legend. Yeah.

Speaker 5 (22:14):
So I used to watch the trailers and they're saying
the most shocking film ever, and they showed the audiences
or going.

Speaker 2 (22:19):
At the same time.

Speaker 5 (22:20):
I've never been in a room where everyone's scared, like
it's usually a couple of people and everyone laughs at
them pretty much.

Speaker 2 (22:27):
Yeah, yeah, I mean we're not saying that these moments
don't exist or anything like that, that they're all ginned
up for publicity purposes. They do exist. I mean, I
remember Back to the Future just turned forty. Oh my god.
But Kripain Terence is one of his one of the
few perfect films we can get into that. I've said
that as well, and then I think we said it

(22:47):
on the movie Guard with Marlton and Davis. So that's
pretty much perfect, the scripts, pretty much air tight. I
remember seeing that at the Forum Cinema when I was
fifteen years old. And sorry spoilers for Back to the Future,
but when George McFly punches out Biff after being this
hapless nerd for the whole movie, and finally the worm
Turan's knocks him out. Yeah, there was a bit of
yay in the cinema. I mean you could feel the

(23:08):
you could feel the good vibes. Yeah. So, yeah, it exists.
It's a real thing. But take so much of this
publicy with a grain of salt. Take this whole People
are fainting in the aisles, people are having heart attacks,
people are throwing up. It's nonsense. The bok it is nonsense.
Speaking of nonsense Cartman in this episode, Oh my Goodness,

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(24:01):
I've got a few. I got laughs out of it, right,
I thought it was funny. Yeah, but it is one
of those angles where I don't think anyone would attempt
this in a comedy sense and take it to this level.
I've seen movies where someone mistakenly is taken as Hitler.
I'm reminded of rat Race, where John Lovett's character ends
up getting I think it's like shoe polish on his
chin and go to it.

Speaker 2 (24:23):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (24:24):
Usually in those scenarios in comedies, it's the person is
acting like Hitler, looks like Hitler, but they don't realize
it themselves, and everyone gets angry at them, like what
about and they look at old shit With this one,
here's no cartman is becoming Hitler. They didn't go I
thought it was interesting. They didn't go to the level
of giving him the mustache. That might have been a
step too far. It's only eight years old. How do
you get to have a little mustache on his face?

(24:45):
But your thoughts on this, because this was when I
was using words like the chant and the way cleansing
and things like that, I thought this is next level.

Speaker 2 (24:55):
Oh yeah, absolutely, And look Yeah, we might as well
just come out with it. The f What he's saying
in German, yeah, is it's time for revenge. We must
exterminate the Jews, and they're chanting it. Yeah, okay, Yeah,
when I'm doing a bit of a call and response
when I say this, you say this, whether this is
Parker and someone saying wow, people can very easily get

(25:16):
drawn into an ideology.

Speaker 5 (25:17):
I mean, what's the point is it is you.

Speaker 2 (25:20):
Lure them in with one thing, or you lure them
in with like, you know, he's taking your gibs? Is
those guys? And then all of a sudden you've got
race war. Not all of a sudden, but it's like
it's the gateway drug, right. Yeah, so I'm storming the
capitol pretty much. But the thing is in this though.

Speaker 5 (25:38):
Do you think it was important for the crowd to
not understand what Carton was doing was that they're out
because if they Yeah, I think if you had to
go on the other way, which I thought they might
have ended up going, that would have.

Speaker 2 (25:48):
Been It's it's too much of an en diamond on
average people. Yea, And yeah, it might just be more
sort of weight than a South Park episode can handle.
I think it's just south Buck's not afraid to, as
I always say, go for the throat. But yeah, sort
of like I think Parkerin's own recognize their limitations, or

(26:08):
maybe recognize the limitations of what they're working with or
what they can do within these spirits. What's acceptable? Yeah,
what they what they can handle themselves? Like this might
be above our pay grade. We might leave this to
someone who has a little but I'm not saying they're
dumb people. We might leave this to someone who's done
a real, real, real deep dive on this stuff and
knows how to convey these ideas. It's satire in a

(26:32):
in a more scay than insightful satirical way, or a
more provocatively and powerful dramatic way. We're just doing a
twenty five minute comedy episode here.

Speaker 5 (26:42):
If I'm doing my English exams essays on this article
on this episode, right, you could also find a theme
of are they using mel Gibson as a representation for
themselves to say you shouldn't be taking.

Speaker 2 (26:52):
That show so seriously? Maybe?

Speaker 5 (26:53):
Yeah, not calling themselves wat jobs, but they're going where
just guys making a cartoon? Yeah, why are you getting
worked over the content we're making similar to this. The
people get worked by well.

Speaker 2 (27:03):
They they sort of out themselves and out Mel Gibson
in some ways as well, because just when he's at it,
when they're at his house and he's been daffy, and
he's been daffy, but when you're a club, no, but
it takes. It's like talking about yourselves here, yeah, talking about.

Speaker 5 (27:19):
Mel talking about it until just then Yeah, they are
they saying we are mal you shouldn't take our ships
too seriously. We're just it's just a comedy, can't do.

Speaker 2 (27:26):
Yeah, although that's kind of an escape hatch that everybody
else is like, Hey man, I'm just asking questions.

Speaker 5 (27:36):
What were your favorite moments from the episode? I leave
it to a child to show us the way, huh.

Speaker 2 (27:43):
I love that a little time.

Speaker 5 (27:44):
I find with My favorite moments of South Park is
the line of stuff isn't necessarily funny.

Speaker 2 (27:47):
It's just a delivery in South more than any other
show we talk about. Yeah. I like how they folded
all sort of Mel Gibson's iconic characters and roles and
lines into his actions. My favorite was when he's chasing
them in the truck in the in the Mad Max
two truck Give Me Back My Money, which is which
is a play on give me Back My Son from

(28:08):
from Ransom. Really great movie Ransom, you should check it out.
Payback not so much. I like Ransom much better than Payback.
Oh yeah, Payback, I don't mind, but Ransom is Ransom
is LEGITI just felt a bunch of stuff happening for me,
and I was like, what was the point? I love it.
I liked Ransom a lot though. Yeah. Uh, I just

(28:28):
like stands realization when they get to Mill Gibson's house, like, dude,
this guy's freaking daffy, and I.

Speaker 5 (28:35):
Think that was that was a little cute for me.
I thought, we're gonna have him behave like daffy dark
so yeah, whoever says man, he's daffy like Stamp.

Speaker 2 (28:43):
It was just felt so it's a little on the note.
I just like the word daffy. I think it's great.

Speaker 5 (28:48):
Just it just felt like a line through in there,
just so you can get the next moment out, I guess.

Speaker 2 (28:52):
So.

Speaker 5 (28:53):
Yeah, Well, a lot of mine was a delivery as well.
So I really liked when Cartmen first is doing his
little spiel and it's the first signs of him looking
like Hitler and says.

Speaker 2 (29:01):
Hello everyone at tongue.

Speaker 5 (29:04):
That's the delivery is so great in the sense that
he doesn't he sounds uncertain on the delivery of the word,
like he's just done some research on Hitler. I watched him,
heard him say that at the beginning of things, and
he's like, I think this is what you're supposed to
say right now. I don't actually know what it means.

Speaker 2 (29:17):
I just felt like, you know, oh, okay, I'm the
It's like, yeah, the first time I have any community
meeting or something that's like, okay, welcome everybody to the
I don't know, Orange Juice Appreciation community group, the damn
marriage of herne Hill attention everybody, would you would you
mind just give remember? Yeah? I thought that was pretty

(29:39):
funny in that regard.

Speaker 5 (29:39):
I liked when Car reveals at synagogue that he'd seen
passionately Christ and it's just this one going.

Speaker 2 (29:44):
On all that stuff, and I mean, yeah, Parker and
Stone do this affair bit, but.

Speaker 5 (29:51):
It's a one stereodopic.

Speaker 2 (29:55):
Jesus is terrible.

Speaker 5 (29:57):
Yeah. Again, there was two lines, two moments in his
episode that I thought we're very fourth wall breaking that
we don't usually get in south Park. That was one
of them where they were saying, we need do any
stereotypes and they're just showing all the difin stereotops that
do in south Park. The other was the basketball line,
Oh yeah, I have south Park ever been self referential
like that before?

Speaker 2 (30:14):
I don't think so.

Speaker 5 (30:15):
No, it just felt it felt it took me out
of not in a negative way. I was like, oh, okay, yeah,
it was very Fourth War Break and the Mickey out
of themself saying remember about the movie Back from Money,
Back from Baseball, and I went, it's funny, it's odd
seeing this in south Park.

Speaker 2 (30:31):
Yeah, and on Wikipedia, which never leads us astray saying
Baseball is a nineteen ninety a comedy film in which
Parker and Stone starred. But now regret they regret really interesting.
I'd love to hear why they regret it.

Speaker 5 (30:46):
I watched it recently, maybe about six months ago, and sure,
it's a film of its time, that's not the best movie,
but it's one of those movies where if I was
looking through TV and it was on at like nine
theater on a Saturday, I just watched it to the end.

Speaker 2 (30:57):
Sure, yeah, yeah, halfway through or three quarters, oh yeah,
or a quarter the way through. It's like, okaych the
rest of.

Speaker 5 (31:04):
This, yeah, because it's going to have the I'm gonna say.

Speaker 2 (31:09):
That at least. Yeah.

Speaker 5 (31:11):
Seeing Trey Parker do the Cartman was that was like
so cool as a kid. I also like Cartman when
he's on the phone with them and it revealed they
realize that it's Cartman and he hangs up, sort of
scurries away. Oh yeah, a little scurry. But I love
how everyone's a tough guy on the phone. It's like
everyone's a tough guy on the internet. Yeah, I've got here.
He barks a big bark, but end of the day

(31:33):
he's just a kid. Oh yeah.

Speaker 2 (31:34):
But they both like that though, the standing up I'll
kick your I'll kick your ass, bitch. And one other
bit that I liked was just the I guess the
ticket taker at the box office at the cinema, Kyle
walks out, why would the Jews do?

Speaker 5 (31:50):
That?

Speaker 2 (31:51):
Kind of makes you want to change your laf just
some with the ticket. I'm not hevy your criticism, that's okay.

Speaker 3 (31:57):
Remember there are no stupid questions, just stupid people.

Speaker 2 (32:00):
Trivia time.

Speaker 5 (32:01):
My first question for you is what is the name
of their shuttle craft? First question of the spontaneity, Yes,
what would they drive? What were they using? Mum's Mum's
new Midiman? Yeah, which went nowhere. I thought there's gonna
be a gag of some kind of her of a
new minivan.

Speaker 2 (32:15):
But no, it's just no. But I think when you're
a kid and like, yeah, you both get a new
car or something, and you know you.

Speaker 5 (32:23):
Our new cars. We never knew though you certain different car.

Speaker 2 (32:28):
Oh and the notion of you getting your license being
actually able to drive a car is so far in
the future that a car might as well be a spaceship.
You look at me, I'm drabbing down the street.

Speaker 5 (32:39):
Throw banana appeals out the window. Excuse me, Mario cart
remember man showing your age? Dude, who you're talking to?
The gay came out in nineteen ninety one.

Speaker 2 (32:51):
Okay. My first question is what is Jack Garrett's wife's name,
Jack Carrott again? Ah, yeah, okay, so what he says?
What are they talking about? Honey?

Speaker 1 (32:59):
No?

Speaker 2 (32:59):
What is her name?

Speaker 1 (33:00):
Is?

Speaker 2 (33:00):
Elise? Lise? Elise Elise?

Speaker 5 (33:03):
My next question is a famous actor appears in Kyle's
dream just for a split second.

Speaker 2 (33:08):
Yeah, it's allan older why why but that? But first
of all, I like to be in the writers were
in for south Park Park at Stone, give me a call.
He's not Jewish. I was looked at. No, no, no,
But I don't no. I think he's his background is
more Italian than the else. But I'd love to know
if they've got like a hit list of people. It's like,
we don't like this person and for this reason, because
they'll throw in random people.

Speaker 5 (33:29):
It says Alan Order is often mistaken as Jewish, but
he is not. Maybe that's three him in there, like
this guy's Jewish. Not Jewish guys.

Speaker 2 (33:38):
I think it's just a random thing because like when
you know they go to Hell and like George Burns
is there is there is that. It's like I thought
I ever really loved George Burns that you know, that love
of log comedian with the cigar. But his wife is Jewish.

Speaker 5 (33:51):
Okay, maybe you converted for her real name is Alfonso Diebruzzo.

Speaker 2 (33:57):
Alan. I love Alan? Oh great guy? Why? Helen Order
was like, wait, everyone likes Alan Order, so why is he? Yeah?

Speaker 5 (34:05):
It gets us talking like this is it because he's
one of those guys that you know, he's always got
an opinion, and they don't tend to like guys very
much in your face with maybe.

Speaker 2 (34:14):
Yeah, I mean he was always generally regarded as a well,
first of all, he's generally regarded as like Hanks, luck,
very nice guy, always got any No one's got anything
bad to say about Alan Order. I think certainly in
the early eighties, you know, from when mash finished and
he sort of started transitioning into making movies and all
that kind of stuff, it was very it was like
a prototypical sensitive guy. There was a term before we

(34:35):
used before we had woke. It was like it was
a don called snag. You ever heard of this one?
Sensitive new age Get him moved susage of bread bredon delightful. Yeah, No, sensitive,
sensitive new age guy. And it was basically someone who
was enlightened. They were basically someone who wear a feminist
saying this is what basically someone who would wear a
T shirt saying this is what a feminist looks like.

Speaker 5 (34:54):
And then oh, things just kept getting better and it
became metro sect.

Speaker 2 (34:59):
But someone who is very left leaning, very progressive, all
that kind of stuff.

Speaker 5 (35:02):
So someone who's not wearing wife beaters is just genuinely
nice to women.

Speaker 2 (35:07):
Hey, nice white bed. It's a singlet. I don't call
it that. Yeah, and it goes back to what we
were saying earlier. Some people just take umbrage with that,
get a little you're overexposed and you're it's almost like
you're virtue signaling and that kind of thing. So yeah,
people would some people would get I don't think he's
better than me, because he is. That's right, That's exactly right.

(35:30):
It's like, you think you're better than me. It's like, no,
just make an effort. I tend to be nice. I
tend to treat people as people. And then people flip
that and go, oh, so you don't see raising, it's
not really I forget it. Am I asking you a question?
You go for it? Okay? How much money did stand in?
Eighty seven dollars? Last question? Okay, let's try to find

(35:51):
one more each k you just give it through.

Speaker 5 (35:53):
By the time Standing and Kenny were on their way
to go see Mel Gibson, how much was the international box.

Speaker 2 (35:59):
Office MESTI boxer? It was four hundred?

Speaker 5 (36:03):
So is that true? Because I only made six hundred
all up? So did it make over four hundred in
the state, or it is the box office on Wikipedia
worldwide or domestic.

Speaker 2 (36:12):
I'm I imagine it's worldwide.

Speaker 5 (36:14):
Yeah, because we only made two hundred world What do
you feel I could make more internationally than it would domestically?

Speaker 2 (36:19):
That film? Right? Because the topic maybe, although apparently it
was pretty big in the hard Land, pretty big in
the Bible Belt. Okay, well, I'm sure you could find
figures that break break it down, you know, market by market.
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the month on the Mailbag episode. But let's get into
our review of the Passion of the Jew originally aired
March thirty first, two thousand and four. The top three

(38:00):
films at the US box office. Number three, what did
I say?

Speaker 2 (38:04):
No, no, no, no no, I imagine The Passion of crist
Is in there.

Speaker 5 (38:07):
Oh yes, it was number two, The Passion that gives
us the Passion movie, The Passion.

Speaker 2 (38:12):
Yeah. Yeah. The number three was The Lady Killers. Oh yeah.
And number one was Skibby to two Monsters Unleashed. If
I've seen it, I don't really recall it. Really. Kids
love it.

Speaker 5 (38:24):
They're harmless, fun, and I think the guy is just
so good at playing shaggy that I just have to
respect the films. I'm like, it's worth the price of
a mission just to see him a shaggy.

Speaker 2 (38:33):
True for me, the price of a mission is this
the one where Linda Cardlini playing Velma sort of drestless
as a sexy belay. That's not the leather clothes and stuff. Yeah,
that's right. Give the people what they want. Fun.

Speaker 5 (38:46):
Fact, she was going to be lesbian in the first
film and they removed that plot point. Yeah, she was
going to be in love with Daphne and she was
jealous that she was with Fred.

Speaker 2 (38:54):
Wow. Yeah, there's a there's a the deleted scene of
her drunk.

Speaker 5 (38:57):
Saying you're just too good to be and they cut
it out.

Speaker 2 (39:01):
I'm like, it would have been cool. It would have
been nice.

Speaker 5 (39:03):
Yeah, but they're actually gonna make a Scuby Doo three,
but fred what's his name, Matthew Lillard or Freddie Prince
June Prince Jr. And Sarah Galla refused to do it.
They're like, no, no, we don't want to do it.
And it's like, well, we can't really do it without there.
But it's a shame because it annoys me. It would
have been nice if that was a trilogy, the Scubaty trilogy,
that would have been nice.

Speaker 2 (39:22):
Everyone likes a trilogy. Yeah, like, yeah, the magic number
is three.

Speaker 5 (39:25):
I'm also home Alone. There's like five with them there,
but five three with McAllister would have been nice.

Speaker 2 (39:31):
Oh absolutely. My version of this is and these are
terrible movies. What my Home Alone? No?

Speaker 5 (39:37):
No, no, no, even if you think it, don't say it.

Speaker 2 (39:42):
There was a remake of the eighties sword and sorcery
classic The Clash of the Titans. You've said this, Sam Worth, Yeah,
they had clash and they had wrath. It's like, we
need one more even though Yahoo's on. Enough is it? So?
I watched the Clash of the Titans, going this, I
don't even need to watch Wrath of the Titans. The
movies aren't that great.

Speaker 5 (40:01):
There's Two's lost, that's act. We need a Yeah, whether
I feel like in Home Alone three could have been
Harry and Marv help Kevin to overcome something else. They
all become not not friends but fan fiction. Yeah, like
they I just thought of it just then. But it
would have been nice if they go to prison falling
on a sword for Kevin or something, because.

Speaker 2 (40:20):
Little Psycho he's a little mass murderer. But Ali does
quote him all the time. Now he gets ice cream.
We're at the chocolate chocolate tier whatever the how do
you say chocolate tier? In Apollo Bay?

Speaker 5 (40:34):
Right, and on the Greation Road there and girl goes,
do you got one scoop or two? And Ali goes, too,
I'm not driving.

Speaker 2 (40:45):
I'm giving him a high five and leave the studio today.
That that's very good. But he doesn't really know what
it means. He just knows. Kevin says that two, I'm
not driving.

Speaker 5 (40:53):
Well done, all right? So yeah, the Scooby Doo too.
Moss is Unleashed. I didn't realize that got to the
top of the U box.

Speaker 2 (41:00):
It was good for that movie, well done. Honestly, they
probably could have made it without Freddy Bridges Junior, Sarah
Michelle Gallop. I think they could. Yeah, I wish they did.
What fight of them? I know what? Are you there for?
You there? Ye? Scooby Yeah, and Matthew Lillard as as Shaggy.
Some of us are there for Velma. Yes, you obviously
pervs like me. Yes.

Speaker 5 (41:20):
So. The episode was written and directed by Trey park
At as we said ed March thirty first, two thousand
and four. The episode kicks off with the boys playing
in Krtman's mum's new minivan. They're playing Star Trek pretending
to be in a shutter Craft named Spotan eighty. Trey
and Matt, as we said time and time again, clearly
loved their Star Trek. Oh Yeah, just huge fans. Whenever
every opportunity they get that the boys playing it, they

(41:42):
do it. I wonder if they did it when they
were kids. Obviously not each other because they didn't meet
to college. But yours was Star Wars, wasn't it?

Speaker 2 (41:48):
Yes?

Speaker 5 (41:48):
Me it was wrestling. Wrestling was the thing that every
kid wanted to be I had. I was always Kane.
But when he refers to Kyle as as a jew,
Vulcan jew, Yeah, first of I'm not Jew, I'm a Vulcan.
Guess it came, well, you're a volt and jew. He's
just poking the bear and says they're going to investigate
the atmosphere and they go outside, but Kyle has to
stay back and Kyle refuses, basically just shunning Kyle out.

(42:08):
Kyle's annoyance here is justified, absolutely making well, he's making
Kyl a red shirt as well. Kuvin's being a shithead. Oh,
it's just being annoying, Yeah, Kuvin says.

Speaker 2 (42:17):
Finding every opportunity to see the leave him behind or
get him killed off early. Yeah.

Speaker 5 (42:22):
I did like Kenny's design here. He's wearing crystals around
his head, which apparently what was worn in one of
the original Star Trek films, or something like a little
string with crystals on it.

Speaker 2 (42:31):
Oh, I think I might. I'm trying to remember if
that's in Star Trek the Motion picture or maybe the
Search for Spock.

Speaker 5 (42:37):
I'm not too sure, but I just love that they
all have their little light ray guns. He's just got
a genuine gun, and.

Speaker 1 (42:43):
I am picking up carbon Bee's light thorns in sector seat.
I believe we will find a village of peaceful aliens
over that ridge. Okay, fine, I guess we'll go to
Oh no, look Gowd, it's a giant foreheaded lave a frown.

Speaker 2 (42:54):
Shoot it.

Speaker 1 (42:57):
Oh no, it's got Kyle know it?

Speaker 2 (42:59):
I think?

Speaker 1 (43:00):
Oh yeah, I can tell you heater you guys that
Carla's done for No, I'm not God. Yeah, n Crubin,
You're not gonna kill me off again. You see, guys,
this is why you don't bring jews along on your waiting.
They don't play a long just.

Speaker 2 (43:11):
Trying to kill him off. Yeah, I love the Carle's
actually want will sort of expand the parameters of the game,
and you know, his world building, and he's sort of
moving the story forward. It's like, what if we count
this race of friendly ane is what can we do
with that as opposed to just everyone getting killed?

Speaker 5 (43:24):
Yeah, so he's trying to kill off Kyle, and Kyle
is not a fan of it at all. That's what
he says. This is why you can't have Jews involving games,
because that won't play along just being a horrible, despicable
human being. They then get into an argument about Mel
Gibson's The Passion.

Speaker 2 (43:37):
Roll Gibson's movie The Passion, the movie The.

Speaker 5 (43:40):
Passion, and to the point where standing can you just go,
you know what, We're just out, We're sick of hearing
everyone fight about this and their response there was that
a reflection of people who are just sick of seeing
people argue about the film in.

Speaker 2 (43:54):
The real world.

Speaker 5 (43:55):
Could well be because I remember people just being angry
about it, like either foot one way or the other.
And then there was the other section of community who
was like, I don't care.

Speaker 2 (44:05):
There's so many people out there who don't care. Yeah,
about so much stuff, And why do you care?

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Speaker 2 (44:50):
You know what it is. You're scared.

Speaker 1 (44:53):
You're scared of the truth. You don't want that movie
to show you just how bad the Jews are and
why everyone hates you. People don't hate the Jews. Really,
three hundred million domestic buxsiz his Cab the tight grossing
film of our time, Cab. Those numbers don't lie. If
you're not scared of the passion, then go see it.
Go see it and tell me I'm wrong. Now, Gibson Cab, Now,

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gibs you You're a stupid asshole.

Speaker 5 (45:18):
Probably basically says here that in the movie he claims
it due to the devil. Yeah, but he also uses
some real blunt force logic as well. That you find
a lot of people who make this kind of argument
would use like, the numbers don't lie. If so many
people are seeing it and so many people are into it,
well you know I must be right. A lot of
people are getting cancer too, a lot, Yeah, A lot
of people are going to this minecraft movie and throw

(45:39):
a popcorn around. It must be good. It must be
good if they're waiting for that one scene to throw
popcorn around. But then, yeah, it's the biggest domestic of
all time?

Speaker 2 (45:49):
Was it?

Speaker 5 (45:49):
It must have been. Obviously, wouldn't said this if it wasn't.
What's the biggest independent film of all time?

Speaker 2 (45:53):
And know that? I think, yeah, so that's it.

Speaker 5 (45:56):
Didn't Titanic come out before ninety seven, so it wasn't
that like a billion dollar? Oh yeah, I mean this
is the biggest domestic of all time. As we was
saying before, I surely Titanic made enough.

Speaker 2 (46:06):
I think you've got to take what Cartmen's saying. He
with a lot of little asterisks, like yeah, most independ
most successful independent movie, all the most successful, you know,
independently financed movie of all time or something like that.
But he doesn't to go and watch it because he's like,
you know, you're how can you have any opinion on this?
If that's how is it a fair fight? Yes? How
can we have How can we have spirited robust debates?

(46:30):
If I've seen this thirty four times and you haven't
even seen it once? Ye Kyle, I'm doing this for you.
It's not a fair fight because I already know all
this about this, But if you go see it, then
we can discuss it in a more logical and rational manner.

Speaker 5 (46:43):
How can you say it's a bad movie if you've
never seen it. That's why I say to Allie, how
can you say you don't like something if you haven't
tried it?

Speaker 2 (46:47):
And he's you're essentially cartmen. Essentially in cartmen, Yes, Elliott,
the numbers don't lie. People like capsicum, Like why I
don't like caps I like.

Speaker 5 (46:57):
It in things, but I don't like it just raw.
Oh you mean like you get a subway. People get
capskum on the subway. Peppers for our UK fans maybe
even in America. Pepper, Yeah that you call them a
bell pepper, bell pepper, Yeah, subway, I won't. I don't
like the crunchy capusum. If it's been cooked and it's
soft and whatever, I'm fine with that, but I just
feel like that there's there's the taste of capuscum is

(47:18):
very overbearing for me in things I like. I can
taste the capsicum, Okay, I like it. I like it
when I like it, when I can taste the combination,
but I feel like if I throw capsicum and I'm like,
it's the combination with capsicum.

Speaker 2 (47:29):
I get you.

Speaker 5 (47:30):
I don't agree with you. I've just never I've just
never been a fan of capsule. What's one vegetable you've
just never grown to?

Speaker 2 (47:35):
I found that i've got older, I'm pretty much open
to all of them. Coulie flower has never been really
big for me. But everything sort of gets a glow up,
and especially say in the last ten to twenty years,
like Brussels sprouts, and then it's like, well delicious. We
went out for dinner the other night, the Lovely Luise
and I and she was like, oh, we got to
get the Brussels sprouts on the side. I'm like, we
do exactly, Like no, no, ok, bum inconvenive something that

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mean they've been They probably had like six hundred calories
or something because they had all manner of other things
done to them, all manner of spices, and like they're
in a nice sort of balsamic vinegar glaze or something.
That one was like, I can barely taste the Brussels sprout,
but yeah, I remember having dining with a good friend
of mine and she had whipped up like sprouts. But
you know it's got a bit of garlic in there.

(48:26):
We're gonna put in some ghast cheese and all this
kind of stuff. Yeah, So essentially it's like, yeah, you
can barely taste the actual vegetable, Like couliflower. People put
a bunch of like cheese on couliflowers, Like, well, my
mom does that. She's got to eat coliflowers.

Speaker 5 (48:37):
She would just put like the sliced cheese, just melts
it on top of the microwavee for like a minute.

Speaker 2 (48:41):
Ye, this will make I eat it. Yeah. So yeah,
things like couliflower, broccoli, all all the good ones for you.
It was like people are gonna eat thish.

Speaker 5 (48:51):
I love just meating vegs. Just my staples, A carrot, peas, broccoli, Yeah,
they're a three I think, like a broccolini broccoli brocle
It's like broccoli, but it's like in smaller ones.

Speaker 2 (49:04):
And they charge more for it. Probably genetically modified, genetic mutation. Yeah,
it's the Drex of vegetables. That's This is the point
where I tells Dodwo that I did not really like
Duressic didn't rebirth, No, I can understand why you wouldn't
like it. Yeah, well I did not like about it.
I said this on a letterbox the other day. I
think we've reached the stage of sort of like, we're

(49:24):
not wowed by dinosaur and dinosaur effects anymore. This is
what the movie's saying as well. Yeah, but so we're
gonna have to make a switch back to like, wow,
i'd better be invested in these characters so they don't
get eaten by the diner. It's probably too many characters
in this movie. I'd say one or two too many.
And you you mentioned the other day about some of
these are very obvious red Shirts who are just there
to get eaten. It's like, I don't really care about those.

(49:46):
In fact, I hope, but most of those, if all
of you end up in the digestive track of the
d Rex, I don't care.

Speaker 5 (49:52):
Most of them are expendable. Most of them are taken
out in the first act or just after the first
act indeed.

Speaker 2 (49:59):
But yeah, just just absolutely bereft of soul for mine. Yeah,
I didn't. It was fine, No, it was. It was
two stars. I thought.

Speaker 5 (50:10):
I'm more inclined to watch that than any Jurassic World movie.

Speaker 2 (50:12):
The numbers are low though it's making a lot of money,
is it really think? I think it topped the box
office last weekend? Yeah, it's stressed. It's the license mate,
one of those film's not going to top the box
It's doazic Jurassic work.

Speaker 5 (50:22):
You can make twenty of them. People still go and
watch them. Dinosaurs. We have a fascination with dinosaurs, that's true.
I do wish i'd get away from the mutants, though
I don't need mutants.

Speaker 2 (50:30):
That's true. Dinosaurs are pretty cool as they are.

Speaker 5 (50:32):
Yeah, what do you get the TVX scene? Though, no
bet spoiling anything. You didn't like the t Rex scene?

Speaker 2 (50:36):
It was fine. Yeah, I thought the stuff on the
actual open water was a little more thrilling.

Speaker 5 (50:42):
I was pretty scary at the moments.

Speaker 2 (50:44):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (50:45):
Anyway, So Kyle is going to the cinema now. I
did like that he hesitates at the start before he's like,
oh do I want to do this? Is this going
to ruin my faith? I'm going to do it anyway?
And the guy says, and I read a movie, but
since it's accurately and it Pius itself was Acts of
Jesus Christ, you'll let him in I think you.

Speaker 2 (51:00):
Had you had to the best of my recollection. There
was a fair bit of that as well. It's like, wow,
this is really violent movie. At the same time, it's
kind of your moral educational. Yeah. Yeah, it'll enlighten your
spirit and get more you.

Speaker 5 (51:12):
Get more people into into the into the Sorry, don't
say to sea word that I thought, but I say
that word.

Speaker 2 (51:19):
You did a little more research to find. I don't
know if mel was actually taking that line himself, whether
he was on the promotional trayler saying it's good for
your soul to see this movie. You know, it's it's
incumbent upon any anyone who calls himselves a Christian to
go see the Passion of Christ. I don't think he
was being that much of a huckster.

Speaker 5 (51:37):
He probably was, I know, I imagine there were people
who sort of did that for if you're a Christian,
you haven't seen this, are you really a Christian?

Speaker 2 (51:43):
Yeah? They will probably televangelists or genuine regular old evangelists
who out church going all right, everybody, we're off to
see the Passion of the Christ to restore our faith.

Speaker 5 (51:51):
They appreciated the hustle, imagine, so but yeah, so he
goes in to watch the movie. Kyle here, and you
don't see anything, You just hear it. Yeah, which I
think is even better even than actually showing the film
and Kyle's reaction here, he's he's not he's queasy, he's
not comfortable at all.

Speaker 2 (52:08):
Is he can't believe it. He's the smade. He vomits,
he vomits, he's upset. Yeah, boys are vomiting in the ais.

Speaker 5 (52:17):
And he walks out and he's, as the guy says,
kind of me, you want to change your life hid, Yeah,
so he's never gonna be the same again. He's torn,
like I can't believe Jewish people did this to him.
And Cartmen's watching tarenton Philip. He's a knock at the door,
but the moment answer it. Goddamn Yes.

Speaker 2 (52:34):
I love how south Park will keep reminding you occasions
like this is not someone to like. I know everybody
lies coming. Well, we said before we're baseball. We love
that bit. You know everybody loves Cartman. He's the reason
we fell in love with south Park. Oh yeah, he
was very much the avatar for him. But yeah, we shouldn't.
He's terrible.

Speaker 5 (52:52):
We should know we should laugh at him. We should
laugh laugh at him. Yeah, yeah, so laugh at the
ridiculousness of the character, don't I love how.

Speaker 2 (53:01):
Every once in a while the reminders like, oh no,
he's so spoiled and entitled and hateful and manipulate and
all that stuff. Yeah, but there have been times in
my life when the great Margaret Mary my mother, and
we didn't get along. I was a shitty teenage and
she was probably this mutant.

Speaker 5 (53:19):
I was like kick a footy buddy, run around the oval.

Speaker 2 (53:26):
Even at the even these ones were like, man, I
wouldn't have been like god, mom would have. I've never sworn,
not even to myself. No, no, you don't do it.

Speaker 5 (53:40):
Be annoyed a couple if you're doing it, but you
don't call names or even think that.

Speaker 2 (53:44):
I'm sorry, maybe we're Mama's boys. You don't do it. Yeah,
So for him to care, lazy bitch. Are kids like
that though, little Ship?

Speaker 5 (53:55):
Yeah, yeah, but that's she's also the product of her
parenting as well.

Speaker 2 (54:00):
Again just asking quiestion. Yeah, it's a good point.

Speaker 5 (54:04):
But then he realizes it's Kyle at the door, and
he admits that he was wrong Kyle, and Cartman was right,
and you thought, you know, I thought you're just being
an asshole, But really, you know, you were right in
the whole time Cartman gets him to repeat it.

Speaker 2 (54:15):
I know I thought we were going to have a
repeat of the thing that South Park has done, the
part you know when he Cartman kind of short circuited. Okay, yeah, yeah,
do you remember that episode.

Speaker 5 (54:23):
Where he's like, there's the Thompson's That's the funniesting I've
ever seen in my life. I've lost my sense of humor.
He's like, oh, well, if you know, if I can't
be Andy smoned towards Kyle.

Speaker 2 (54:37):
What's the point.

Speaker 5 (54:38):
What is my purpose in life?

Speaker 2 (54:39):
Yeah, he's just going to let you. It's like you've
always said about bullies. You know, if this person is
going to take it, then what's the point. Yeah, or
they're just going to not respond or they don't care.
Yeah yeah yeah, but I'll make them care. It's like, oh,
nothing makes them care? Well, what is the point of
all this? But Cartman here cussing him praying? I thought
this was a great cut. He's praying to a brave

(55:01):
heart Poston. I did not see it coming.

Speaker 5 (55:04):
I had a big chuckle at that one, and he's
going to do to Kenny's life to making sure everyone
goes to see the film and standing Kenny, they've seen
the paper that has had four hundred million dollars in
domestic takings, so they say they're gonna have to go
see it too, and a cast of them watching the film,
and turns out they just sort of such they thought
it was just a snuff film. They want their money back.
But the other people walking out of the cinema at
the same time saying, I didn't realize how bad his

(55:25):
death was. Let's be good Christians from now on.

Speaker 2 (55:27):
What's the other one? It really guilt you, It really
gilted into belief. Well, I think that's Gibson's intents, Like
is it a propaganda film? Dude went through certainly one
way of looking at it.

Speaker 5 (55:38):
Yeah, it could have been argued at that. Yeah, how
can you watch it and not feel sorry for him?

Speaker 2 (55:44):
Look what he did for you? Yeah exactly. Yeah. But
Stan claims it was just a snuff film.

Speaker 5 (55:48):
They they're going to go to the church to what
he says, here we get a church, little bit all
that stuff.

Speaker 2 (55:52):
Here's the movie.

Speaker 5 (55:52):
We got the movies to be entertained. And I thought
is that the purpose of this episode is that it's a.

Speaker 2 (55:56):
Little reductive on Parker and Stone's part. And sometimes you
go to the movies for all kinds of things and
Shindler's list more entertainment. Well, you used drama. You used
drama to illustrate a point that God knows how many
doccos or articles or books or whatever. You know, you
sort of absorbed information about the Holocaust. For instance, you

(56:18):
watch it through the lens of Steven Spielberg, who's a
master storyteller. You see how Liam Neeson feels about it
playing Shindler. You see a little girl in the red dress,
all that human eards. Oh wow, wow, I knew it sucked.
I didn't know what sucked this bad. Have you ever
had Have you ever watched a movie or a TV show,
will read a book or something that gave you like
a real sort of hard emotional reaction.

Speaker 5 (56:36):
Yeah, the surface choice was a bit where I went,
I don't think I'm able to handle this. Just that
still affects me even more now as a parent watching
his going I have to choose, you had to choose
father or.

Speaker 2 (56:50):
Crazy. Years ago, in the early nineties, so I went
to the movie to see a movie called Fearless. Yeah,
that's directed by the Greatestrayan film like a Peter Triman,
show Stone, Jeff Bridges. I liked all those people like,
oh this will be I'm looking forward to this. I
mean it sounds interesting and all that kind of stuff.
It finished, and it ends on a really sort of

(57:12):
it's hard to describe how the climax of it. It's
very life affirming, but it's also kind of it just
conjub and it's such an intense well of emotions. I
had to go and get blackout drunk essentially to sort
of either the process what I was going, what I
was feeling, or avoid processing what I was feeling. It's
probably the closest that I've come to, like a transcendent
experience in a movie theater, so that that can certainly happen.

Speaker 5 (57:33):
Once The Warriors was another one for me. Cooked the
Eggs and that scene is just like oh.

Speaker 2 (57:39):
Oh boy, yeah yeah. So yeah, drama can sort of,
I don't know, really sharpen your focus of oh what
means this or oh this is what it's like to
go through that. So yeah, I mean, passion of Christ
can mean that, and of course he can a reaction
to like standing Kenny of just like Violent sucks essentially
a staff movie, just as ballad.

Speaker 1 (57:58):
Hey, we want our money back. Huh, that movie sucked.
Ask give us back our eighteen dollars.

Speaker 2 (58:02):
I can't refund your money.

Speaker 1 (58:04):
You shot through the whole movie. That wasn't a movie.
That was a snuff film. Who you can't charge people
to watch a guy get tortured for two hours yet
die happening to be Gigi. And here way through all that,
I told pay for your kids. We go to Churchill
on that stuff. We go to movies to be entertained.
We weren't entertained, and we want our money back.

Speaker 2 (58:19):
But I'm not allowed to give your money back. Up,
but you shot through the whole movie. You'd have to
take your complaint up with the film producers.

Speaker 1 (58:25):
What mel Gibson. You're saying, we have to get our
money back from mel Gibson.

Speaker 2 (58:28):
Yeah, I'd like to see you try.

Speaker 1 (58:30):
Oh we will. This is America, and in America, if
something suck, you're supposed people to get your money back.
Come on, Kenny.

Speaker 5 (58:35):
But Carl starts something not mess now about the film
that he's just watched. Mel Gibson's movie the Passion and
even he is torturing Jesus, he's stabbing him and whatno
when he's on the cross and we get Alan order
as well in the dream and whatnot. But Cal's just
not having a good time. He's really, you say, he's suffering.
Now after watching the film Real Crisis. So Sam and
Kenny and now they go to Mel Gibson's Thepassion dot com.
I love everything about this website so late nineties, early

(58:58):
two thousand, isn't it got the hyperlinks, the different fonts.

Speaker 2 (59:04):
Those little check boxes on the buttons.

Speaker 5 (59:07):
Yeah, it's not just words, it's giant rectangle buttons. Ethic
click gone. And I feel about two thousand and four
websites were a little bit better than this. But you
have to think Cartman making this website. It would just
be just this way. But basically, they want to try
and get their money, about their eighteen dollars, so they're
going to try and get the phone number here. It's
not on the website, so they call the webmaster, who
turns out to be Cartmen. They didn't realize that at first.

(59:27):
Once they do realize that Cartman's like, but you're right
though that little argument they have. There is just no
you bitch, no, you bitch. It's just big tough guys
on the phone. It's the early version of Keyboard.

Speaker 2 (59:38):
Warriors on the internet. No one knows you're a dog. Yeah,
but it's true.

Speaker 5 (59:43):
Also here that Cartman says like he can't He's in
disbelief that how could you possibly not like that? It
gives this movie the passion, and that seems to be
the manager throughout. It's like, what do you mean you
don't like if you're if you're not Jewish, you must
have liked the film.

Speaker 2 (59:54):
Is that just how it was?

Speaker 5 (59:56):
Like?

Speaker 2 (59:56):
Did you did you like the film when you watched it?
I respected it more than I like, Like I said,
I haven't revisited it because yeah, it's not necessarily it's
one that I appreciated the craft of it more than
anything else. But it's like, Okay, I've seen it. I've
got no need to see it again. Yeah.

Speaker 5 (01:00:11):
This is where stand then tells kenn and this is
more about the eighteen dollars. Now, it's the principle of
it all. It's about holding bad filmmakers responsible. Like when
we got a money back for basketball that seems like
a random line for South Pikers to throw in there
they're not used to in doing.

Speaker 2 (01:00:26):
It's not a bad line, it's just odd. No, but
it does seem like that kind of thing where it's like, oh,
we've got some cloud, but not quite enough yet. We'd
better show that, we'd better show that we're self deprecating,
that we know, oh, sometimes we messed up or whatever.
It's like, even if they didn't really, I mean, Parker
and Stone probably hold themselves to a very high high

(01:00:49):
standard when it comes to the work that they either
do or what they're attached to. And yeah, basketball was
not necessarily as good as South Park, so they may
be saying, Okay, we'll take the hit for this one.

Speaker 5 (01:01:02):
Carmen is now dressing for his meeting as Hitler. People
are gathering in the backyard. People in the backyard, your
little meeting. Everyone there. They're just proud of the impact
that the film is having, that it's opening everybody's our
eyes to Christianity, and it's just so great, it's so great,
the little child is doing this and everything is clearly
they're oblivious to what's actually about that.

Speaker 2 (01:01:19):
Yeah, but it's really just a reinforcement of their or
an amplification of you know, these are probably just good
quote unquote god fearing people go to church on Sunday,
try to live by the tenets of Jesus or something like, yeah,
it'd be good to one another, do one to others
and all that kind of stuff. It's like, oh, other
people think this way, that's great. Yeah, so, but they're
just easily led.

Speaker 5 (01:01:38):
I did love the way he approached the podium with
his hands behind his back, like it's just all the
mannerisms of Hitler. But yeah, hello, everyone acting clearly has
terrible intentions. But since he's eight, they don't think for
a second that that's possibly what's going on here. Well,
it doesn't enter their mind that this could be what's
where he's going.

Speaker 2 (01:01:53):
That's the lay front loaded with the whole. You leave
it to a child to show us the way. You know, Oh,
what's the Is there a Bible verse and a child
shall lead them something like that? I've not idea of it.

Speaker 1 (01:02:02):
My name is Eric Carmen and I'm the president of
the Malgotin Fanclatter. I beg you you. I'm happy to
see that out of you were affected by the passion
like I was. Now we all know why we're here,
and I believe we all know what needs to be done.
We sure do more, but I think it's best we
don't talk out loud about it until we have most
of them on the trains heading to the camps.

Speaker 5 (01:02:25):
I do think that's a funny line, but although a
bit of a crutch to get around, just how outrageous
this whole situation is. I understand what they're going for here,
but the fact that these people are so easily led,
and it's so obvious what Cartman's doing here and what
he's saying. The fact that not one person would go,
wait a minute, what do you mean by cleansing, what do.

Speaker 2 (01:02:44):
You mean by the camp? What do you mean about
this train? And everything like that? Just a quick recap.
The phrase and a little child shall lead them is
found with the King James version of the Bible, specifically
in Isaiah eleven six, part of a larger prophecy about
a time of peace and harmony under the reign of
the Messiah. The verses offer interpreted it to mean that
even the most powerful and fearsome creatures will be led

(01:03:05):
by a child, symbolizing the transformative power of peace and innocence.
So therefore, yeah, you're gonna have Christian folks thinking, well,
a child wouldn't leave us astray, you know, I mean,
the child symbolizes peace and innocent. They're pure of heart.
They're not. They're cartmen.

Speaker 5 (01:03:21):
But Cartman says, everybody needs to take one person to
go see the film.

Speaker 2 (01:03:24):
Great idea. Make it our duty to convert another person.

Speaker 5 (01:03:28):
So that's it. They's using it as a way to
convert people. Then we can begin the cleansing, if you
know what I mean. Yeah, they're dropped off at melg
Gibson's house. God damn, he must be loaded. But Gibson
answers the door and says, how could you not like
the movie?

Speaker 2 (01:03:44):
You have to like it?

Speaker 5 (01:03:45):
Look, I just follow the Bible. How could you want
me not like it? And if they want their money back,
they're gonna have torture him for it. And I just
hope that you don't use the whips in the walls.
I know you've explained to me now, but as I
was watching something going, I don't get what's happening here.
So he had a tendency to be tortured in films,
Is that it?

Speaker 2 (01:04:00):
Yeah? I think he likes violence and he likes the
redemptive nature of violence. I mean, you look at anything
that he's.

Speaker 5 (01:04:07):
Directed, the whole I'm gona use the money to build
a church so i can play the banjo, and what
is habiting?

Speaker 2 (01:04:13):
Yeah, they're just what the fucking hell is going on here?
Once they do that, yeah, then they're just throwing random wackiness,
but to make amplify his wackedness. But yeah, I mean,
so you look at most of the movies that Mel
Gibson's director, like Apocalypto or Braveheart or haxall Ridge, they're
always violent. There's always some kind of redemptive or transcendent
kind of aspect of the violence. Like an haxel Ridge.

(01:04:34):
This guy, it's mainly about this soldier who's a pacifist.
You say, I'm not gonna shot anybody. I'm not going
to kill anybody. I'll be a medic. And he's sort
of like basically it's basically wore as hell, and he's
thrust into rescuing all these people from this World War
II battle at this place called Haxelridge. People just getting
legs blown off and Ah'm dmn gout's coming out of
my stomach. And he's just seeing all this and like

(01:04:55):
taking the burden of it and carrying people away from
from this this dreadful situation. So it's kind of like, yeah,
I think mel views violence and being saved as kind
of intrinsic in which I think, I guess goes back
to a really hardcore Christian background of being sort of
in doctrine and thinking, well, Jesus died for my sense,
and yeah, it reaches its apex with something like the

(01:05:16):
passion of the Christ.

Speaker 5 (01:05:17):
Yeah, that's what I think anyway. But then they call
him daffy as we're saying early. He gets offended by this,
declares war, starts shooting at them and jumping around like
Daffy duck Kyle's and chatting to the reverend.

Speaker 2 (01:05:26):
What's his name? Reverend? I just I think, he just says, Rabbi, oh,
Reverend Axing, Sorry, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, And I was
jumping ahead. That'd be good. They're terrible.

Speaker 5 (01:05:36):
Did guys and Jesus to die or did you just
get screwed over? No answer, what is troubling you, my child?
But Kyle then says he has a Jewish friend who
can't sleep at night due to the guilt he suffered
from watching the Passion of the Christ or Passion of
the Jew, whatever you want to say. It's called Passion
of the Jew in the episode, isn't it?

Speaker 2 (01:05:52):
Was it called that? It was called the Passion of
Christ episode Compasion of the Jew. Yes.

Speaker 5 (01:05:55):
The reverend says that there's not much in the Bible
about the Crucifixion. The passion was actually just performance he's
done in the Middle Ages to incite people against the Jews. Well,
he asked the reverend, how can the Jews make it better? Then?
What can I do to make this better? And he says, well,
you know, tell your friend to convert to Christianity. Ah,
it looks great. Holly Holy just entered to showing her
little Barbie doll. She's all the hair looks great with mummy. Okay,

(01:06:18):
I'll be out soon, Sweaty close the door, please, thank you.
Kyle realized that atonement is the answer and he leaves
and they went out back at mel Gibson's house. He's
still chasing the kids around.

Speaker 2 (01:06:31):
Two days ago. I saw reggak at all that tanker.

Speaker 3 (01:06:34):
You want to get out of here.

Speaker 2 (01:06:36):
Talk to me now, Kith. It is fucking crazy goo.

Speaker 1 (01:06:41):
Wait, there's a line crap he's only got twenties. He
got two dollars, Kenny, Jesus, Wait, let's get the hell
out of here.

Speaker 4 (01:06:58):
When you're a nobody takes your serials right and good
evening apend.

Speaker 2 (01:07:14):
Like a Scooby Do cartoon very much. So. Yeah, he's
just doing the thing and then being a clown. He's
also saying sorry by mispronessas but kapa yeah, a star
trek word that means like victory and success or something.
He's saying it like the brave heart Yeah. Character, who's
the brave Arit? Character's name William Williams. That's right. Yeah.

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now there's a cross being put onto the cinema. Cartman
says it has been open for a month now and
everyone here is brought to it, brought here by its message.
Fellow fans of Gibbson, our numbers have grown. We have
the power to change the world. And he says that

(01:08:16):
they should take to the streets and march and support
of the film. They assume it's just a parade. This
is a great idea. It's going to be great, and
they're going to also voice their support. When I say,
is Zeus Alban you'll child champ back via Mussen, Dar
Juden rals Rotten.

Speaker 2 (01:08:30):
So basically these people should do their research, not unlike
your pals going Dan though, what does you mean? I
just assure it's Arabic? Yayful?

Speaker 5 (01:08:39):
No one goes Nino And they asked what it is again?
So because he has to repeat it, he gets angry
and that's what he starts to sound like Hitler when
he's saying it. So is Cartman here because they never
outright say it? Is he trying to be Hitler? Because
you never see him researching Hitler. You never see him
look up Hitler. Is he just becoming Hitler? And that's

(01:09:02):
the joke.

Speaker 2 (01:09:02):
I guess. So, yeah, he's not actually trying to be
you don't see him like looking at old footage.

Speaker 5 (01:09:08):
Of why would be quoting German though, I guess I
think it's just implied. Actually, that's a good point, that
is that they feel like they couldn't have the Cartman
a step too far to have Cartman watched this monstrosity
and want to be that. I think so because because
he dressed Hitler ones for Halloween, and it was more
the obliviousness of what of him not realizing what he

(01:09:31):
was reallyressed up at. Yeah, I think he's cool the
way he speaks in that kind of thing, they're actually
realizing what he did to the world. I think Cartman
seeing him if you make it so if he knew
who Hitler really was.

Speaker 2 (01:09:43):
If he makes it so blatant, it's like this Hitler
guy had some good ideas and I'm going to bring
him back.

Speaker 5 (01:09:48):
I don't think you could. I don't think they can
actually do that. I don't think you would get away
with doing I don't think even Trey and Mack would
get away with I think it.

Speaker 2 (01:09:54):
Would be too on the nose, and I think it
would be too offensive.

Speaker 5 (01:09:56):
Yeah, it's just it's too despicable suit speak.

Speaker 2 (01:10:00):
But also just from a dramatic or a storytelling point
of view, it's like it's allow us to make some
allow us to make the conceptual leap that he's, yeah,
someone who really likes a movie, but he's got innate
anti semitism. We're talking about up and here he's seeing
he's seeing something that kind of endorses that or amplifies
those beliefs of those ideas. But wow, yeah, I can

(01:10:23):
I can use this and run with it. Somewhere along
line is like yeah, and that's a bit like what Hitler. Yeah,
so you don't necessarily have to say I'm going to
be like this eight OFLF. Dude, it's just like, well, yeah,
all of these kind of movements are essentially the same.

Speaker 5 (01:10:37):
I was going to say, because maybe that's why they
didn't give him mustache, because he's not trying to be Hitler,
but he's speaking German. It makes makes no sense speaking Yeah,
I think the German bit's pretty on it. The German
bits a bit on the nose, and it's a yeah,
you're right anyway. But out the synagogue and Kyle asks
if he can speak.

Speaker 1 (01:10:56):
In nineteen seventy three, the United States officially issued an
apology to the African American community for slavery. In nineteen
fifty six, Germany officially apologized for World War Two and
the Holocaust. And now I believe in two thousand and four,
the Jewish community needs to apologize for the death of Jesus.
What almost What if we as a people choose not
to believe that Jesus is the son of God, then

(01:11:18):
we can still apologize for the brutal way in which
he was killed and take our share of the responsibility
for it. Oh my god, what, Kyle, what on earth
has gotten into you?

Speaker 2 (01:11:28):
I saw the passion? Oh damn, let's.

Speaker 3 (01:11:32):
Proved the horrible and this matter of effect that movie
is having.

Speaker 1 (01:11:34):
Yeah, it makes choose in the stereotypes, stereotype and Jusi's cheerwable.

Speaker 4 (01:11:41):
Something must be done to.

Speaker 2 (01:11:42):
Stop that movie again. A little self job. I tell
you that I'm looking. I'm I'm fine with it. It's
just I'm fascinated about Judaism, because I mean, the Jews
seemed to have been kicked around up hell of a
lot for a hell of a long time, and to
the point where you've got the caricature or the stereotype
of the self low thing jew. I do love that, yeah,

(01:12:03):
and look, I maybe, but it seems like a lot
of Jews kind of steer into that with a kind
of they really overdo the sort of Yiddishes and.

Speaker 5 (01:12:11):
All that kind of that's obvious in Independence day, isn't
oh yeah very much.

Speaker 2 (01:12:18):
And of course Matt Stone, who is Jewish, Yeah, yeah,
probably his way of expressing that as well. Yeah.

Speaker 5 (01:12:22):
The rabbi then says, there's no course for alarm. They
live in a rational community and everyone knows it's just
a movie, and then we hear the chance outside and
they realize, oh shit. Well yeah, this was to say
during a mailbag episode. Is that you're saying comedians can
say what they want because people know it's just it's
just a standard routine. The problem is there's people like
comment out there and who take it and apply it

(01:12:44):
to the real world. Well yeah, I mean, yes, it
is just a movie, but some people can't accept that
it's just a movie.

Speaker 1 (01:12:51):
Well, it looks like with these bus tickets, we spent
about eighty seven dollars getting our money back from Mel Gibson.
But I think it's the principle of the thing that matters.
Wool Oh, you've got.

Speaker 2 (01:13:02):
To be shitting me. Get right back by mine.

Speaker 1 (01:13:08):
God damn, that guy's crazy. Hey, dude, you gotta speed up.

Speaker 4 (01:13:13):
Huh.

Speaker 1 (01:13:13):
Mel Gibson is chasing after us. You gotta go faster.

Speaker 2 (01:13:16):
Haha. Very funny.

Speaker 4 (01:13:17):
Kids, Sit down and stop playing games.

Speaker 1 (01:13:19):
I'm not playing games. Mel Gibson is right behind you,
and he's gonna.

Speaker 2 (01:13:22):
What the hell hey gotch mel Gibson. Yeah, I told
you that, Well, what the hell does he want?

Speaker 1 (01:13:31):
He wouldn't give us our money back for the passion,
so we kind of took it.

Speaker 2 (01:13:34):
You didn't like the passion, but it shows how Christ
suffered for you. Mel Gibson is a very spiritual man.
I just love that they actually use Mel Gibson's face,
so I'm a saying style, yeah, yeah, and yeah. I
gave him all these gout him faces and yeah, girning
pulling faces only gun a little just a really nice touch.
And I'm wondering if you know Gibson had to sign

(01:13:56):
off on.

Speaker 5 (01:13:56):
This or you never have to, Okay, but apparently he
didn't mind it. He thought he goes. I think he
was just playing the game right because he knew. Oh yeah,
the controversy's filming created. Yeah, He's like, hey, these guys, yeah,
you know, good on them. I didn't really know. I
thought it was a little bit crueled to what they
were doing to me. But you know, it's all all
the funny games.

Speaker 2 (01:14:14):
It might have been strides and affecting and like, look,
the more the more I get upset about this, the
more people are going to watch it. Or he was
just like, right to me, I'm just like, oh, this
is a nice bit of damage croll that I don't
have to do. Yeah.

Speaker 5 (01:14:25):
I was going to ask this at the start. Actually
I forgot. Do you think because of the cool factor
that comes with Trey Parker and Matt Stone and South
Park in general, especially in two thousand and four, do
you think this episode had any impact on the perception
of Mel Gibson to a younger audience. Do you think
he came across as insane and uncool because of this episode?

(01:14:46):
Because yeah, he was never cool to me as a
kid going into the nineties. Was he was older by
this point, you know, he was never the young cool actor.
But do you think that he came across poorly to
a younger audience because of this episode.

Speaker 2 (01:15:00):
I'd have to put myself in the skin of a
younger person, which is difficult. Look, it's the thing possibility.
I mean, as you said, I mean you remember him
from like the early two thousands when he started to
appear in things like What Women Want and all that,
and yeah, he's sort of losing that cool factor. I mean,
the leath of Weapon franchise is sort of petered out.

Speaker 5 (01:15:19):
Pay Back and Ransom he done those, yeah, yeah, but
he was sort of Braveheart.

Speaker 2 (01:15:23):
Yeah, Brave Heart's ten years ago. Yeah. There's a period
in just about every actor's life where it's like, oh,
we're we're sick of you for now, we've seen too
much of you, pro that kind of thing. But also
it's like, oh, yeah, we appreciate you, but yeah yesterday's news.

(01:15:44):
It'll last for maybe five or six years or something,
and then someone will go, someone will put him in,
like say, take Kevin Costner Travolta, Oh yeah, yeah, not
really big on this guy. And then all of a sudden,
he put Kevin cost in Yellowstone's like, oh, there's a
reason we liked you, and oh we like you in
this and yeah, yeah you're back. Yeah, and I was
waiting for that to happen. Brendan Fraser, Oh yeah, I

(01:16:05):
was waiting for that to happen with mel Gibson was like, look, yeah,
but and yeah, of course he really sort of just
threw he torched himself. He did, indeed, but there would
have been a period of like five or six years.
It's like, Okay, you're gonna make b movies and all
the kind of stuff, and like Mel Gibbs remember him.
Then it's kind of like and mel Gibson as the president,
It's like, oh, well, I can't.

Speaker 5 (01:16:25):
Wait till Nicholas Cage gets his Academy Award in like
three four years. Okay, he's just he's.

Speaker 2 (01:16:30):
Almost like cool to hipsters now, Nicholas Cage, he's just
doing movies to earn a living now basically he's not
in blockbusters. He will get a blockbuster in the next
three years, I reckon and everyone will go Nicholas Cage.
Well even La twenty years, like we're making movies, dickheads.
He didn't go and watch them.

Speaker 5 (01:16:46):
But I'm I'm all for Nicholas Cage.

Speaker 2 (01:16:49):
I come back.

Speaker 5 (01:16:49):
I feel like that's we made the Britain Fraser one happen.
I feel we're gonna make the Nicholas Cage one happen.

Speaker 2 (01:16:53):
It's it's happened, yeah yeah, whether it yeah, whether or not?
SuperH I mean because I don't know how much Brendan
Frasers have done since he won his Academy. But nothing.

Speaker 5 (01:17:01):
It was just like, oh we missed you, Brendon, and
everyone's like, oh, yeah, you've had your.

Speaker 2 (01:17:05):
Bye, Brendan. I'm working on something for you. I'm writing
something at the moment.

Speaker 5 (01:17:09):
The Whaler, The Whaler, the Whale two is still anyway,
but the guy on the bus, even the bus drop,
I can't believe it. What do you mean you don't
like the passion of mel Gibson is a very spiritual
man and the Jewish community, they demanded the theater stops
the screening of the film. Kyl says, don't do this.

(01:17:29):
This will make things worse. This is the perception they
want us. They want us to be doing this. They
want us to take away their film because it's making
it makes us look poorly. It's like, just let them
watch it. What they need to do is watch the film.
Understand this guy's crazy. Okay, Like, don't don't worry about it.
But anyway, so Cartmen and co arrive and they start arguing.
Here right, I thought, this is this was, in my opinion,

(01:17:51):
the ballsiest moment in the whole episode. Forget cartness Hitler,
forget the Mel Gibson shit, forget all the drama about
the movie. When they say you think your film made
a child said that we should apologize, and one guy goes,
maybe you should apologize.

Speaker 2 (01:18:06):
I was like, well that, yeah, that's when that's when
the poison is really saying to enter the blood city
way to the bloodstream, because you should apologize. Yeah. I mean,
initially it's kind of like, yeah, we're all united in
Jesus said yeah, oh wow, we're all you know, and
as I said, good God fearing Christian folks all together,
united out of believes. And now yeah, it's starting to

(01:18:29):
leach out in terms of like we're not it's not
enough for us to be united. We need to have
someone to unite against. Yes, yeah, you're right, upsetting point.

Speaker 5 (01:18:44):
And I don't think that's a line that anyone would
have the guts to say, except a training mate on
animated series. Anyway, but the bus and Gibson arrive, he
crashes his car the car exp the bus explodes, come
in and sees him. He runs over there, kisses his
feet and if I can't believe, like, that's Mel Gibson
the guy and he's underwear like being crazy, And Kyle
realizes he's been worried about this movie made by that guy.

(01:19:06):
What I've been wasting my time. Clearly this guy's crazy
and gives him, wipes his ass and rubs the pool
over the wall and says, tort to me, tort me.
And Kyle asks what's wrong with him? And this is
where Standers says, he's cooker dude, and it's just absolutely
out of his mind. And you were saying at the
time there was this room consists of going out. Maybe
this guy's just a bit of a screw loose. That
was that sort of a rumor, but the belief of

(01:19:29):
some people. Yeah, I mean a lot of sort of
rumors and stories. It's sort of broken containment and all
that kind of stuff. And yeah, people were willing to
forgive Hollywood stars, movie stars and rock stars and all
that manner of celebrities.

Speaker 2 (01:19:43):
People in the public. I need to forgive a lot
of stuff. It's like, oh, you brought us so much
entertainment and quite frankly, we aspire to be like you,
and so yeah, you'd have to do some pretty gnarly stuff.
And then he did. And then to be like, oh,
this guy, I'm not behind this guy anymore. I'm rever
oaking my fan club membership or something like that.

Speaker 5 (01:20:02):
But Gibson here says that you can't say my movie
sucked or us. He is saying Christianity sucks, and standpoints
out there's no issue. If you want to be Christian,
follow what Jesus taught you, not how he got killed.
That's what needs to be the focus here. Lived the
way he wants you to live. The reason he died
for your sins is so you can live this way.
And that's what people did in the dark ages is
to worry about how he got killed. And we shouldn't
focus on torture and execution of Christ. Yeah, lots of

(01:20:22):
people get crucified in those times. We should rely on
violence to inspire our faith. And they all walk off,
and Cartman's like, no, don't go anywhere.

Speaker 2 (01:20:28):
He shut it because he's he's fine. Resolution circulars to
completely my final solution, which very loaded term final solution.

Speaker 5 (01:20:36):
Yeah, Carle then feels better known that Gibson is just
a wacko douche, and he walks over and defecates on
Cartman's face, and that's the end of the episode.

Speaker 2 (01:20:43):
That's the end of the episode. Yeah, I know you've
explained it. Still I don't find the gibbs and stuff
all that funny in this.

Speaker 5 (01:20:49):
I've read some reviews people saying, oh my god, the
gibs and stuff so on point, it's so hilarious. How
much is going Well, it's just whacky for the sake
of whacky for me. As we know, Dan know, the
best jokes are the ones you have to explain. Yeah,
but yeah, I found it funny. But then you know,
it's not that I've got more history with Gibson, but reality,
the j Loo stuff was pretty much the same. She

(01:21:09):
was just a bitch, right. But I guess maybe because
I know more about the Jalo stuff, I appreciated it more. Yeah,
I know as a as someone who didn't really live,
wasn't really old enough to sort of understand the because
even when he did the rant, I would have been
how old I suppose I would have been eighteen, so
it should have been old enough.

Speaker 2 (01:21:27):
Probably had other things on your mind. I did.

Speaker 5 (01:21:29):
Yeah, just I remember thinking, oh that that old guy
is just he's crazy as expected. Yeah, anyway, what do
you think over all this episode was this? I think
this wasn't as entertaining as Up and Down Steroid for me.

Speaker 2 (01:21:42):
Oh no, absolutely not. I mean I've done have a
problem with this episode. I've got time, I think. Yeah, Look,
it certainly gave us a lot of food for thought.
I mean, I don't know how long we've been recording,
but we've talked about a lot of stuff. Yeah, because yeah,
it opens the door to a lot of issues.

Speaker 5 (01:21:54):
But this is one of those episodes where it's them
capitalizing on something of the time. Oh yeah, everyone's passion
of Christ and everyone's gonna be talking about this episode
as a result.

Speaker 2 (01:22:04):
Yeah. But I think in terms of jokes, I don't
think there's all that many and then that are all
that funny. It's more just like, yeah, as you said,
here's a topic, let's talk about it. We can fold this, this, this,
and this into it. We can get Hitler jokes in there,
and Hitler jokes in there, and you know, we can
make fun of everybody a high profile but mainly a
high profile figure who you know, a lot of people

(01:22:27):
sort of tend to look up to us. He was rich,
he was famous, he was handsome, he was all this,
he was an oscar winner, all this kind of stuff,
and it's like, oh no, he's nuts, just as much
of a dickhead as everybody else, if not more. So.
There was a review, and I do read reviews from
two thousand and four.

Speaker 5 (01:22:42):
I want to see what people were thinking at the time,
and one of them was like, oh boy, a current
controversy and a wacky celebrity impression. Welcome to South Park
in two thousand and four. And I was like, well,
he's kind of right, Yeah, you're not incorrect. Current controversy
and wacky celebrity impression. I was like, that's pretty much
South Pike. Good to have a template to work from.

Speaker 2 (01:23:03):
Yeah, exactly.

Speaker 5 (01:23:04):
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Speaker 2 (01:23:13):
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