Up The Down Steroid (S08E02)

It's time to prepare for the Special Olympics with the help of some "performance enhancers", courtesy of our pal, Nathan! That's right, this week we review the one where Cartman literally pretends to be differently-abled in order to enter the Special Olympics. Meanwhile, Jimmy suffers roid rage after taking some steroids, much to the dismany of Timmy (and Nancy).

We also discuss the legal dispute with the film "The Ringer", one of the darkest moments of the series (so far), as well as who exactly DOES understand Timmy?

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:01):
Look, it's my buddy, and it's my choice what I
put in it, Tam.

Speaker 2 (00:08):
Tama.

Speaker 1 (00:09):
Don't let you me on the complexity of sportsmanship. You
know as well as I do. Most of the kids
in special EMICs are shooting up to compete. I'm just
trying to keep it. Huh, Timmo, So what are you
gonna do now? You're gonna be a fucking dark and
go to that battle to the coaches. Don't think anything
better than me, Titty. I'm just living in the real world.

Speaker 3 (00:35):
Fuck kick airs.

Speaker 2 (00:41):
Welcome to Going Down to South part of the podcast
where we always have our cells the time, and this
week we are going to be going up the down Steroid.
I'm Dando and I'm guy.

Speaker 4 (00:49):
One might say, this is a very special episode, this
episode here, right.

Speaker 2 (00:53):
Did you not appreciate that game? Indeed, I know I
need the validation. I'm like, cart what do you want
a minimal? Here's a thing. There many times that I'm
left genuinely speechless by south Park, right because I'm just
I expected from South Park. But this one here, I mean,

(01:17):
I'm blown away by the Cartman story. We'll get to that, right.
Oh yeah, but Jimmy taking steroids and beating the hell
out of his girlfriend and then his mother. That took
the darkest of turns that I did not see coming.
Oh yeah, it just I went, oh, and what how
do I feel? Now? What do I do? This is
very very dark? Am I watching once more? Worry is here?

(01:40):
What's happening? Yeah?

Speaker 4 (01:41):
The whole thing about roid rage and things like that,
And it was very much in the sort of I
guess the public consciousness for a while, I mean felt
like very sort of. There were a lot of after
school specials and again very special episodes or Money's not
wearing pants, news stories and all that kind of thing
about they want to reach the top, but at what cost?

(02:02):
And you probably wouldn't see things like this on on
say news stories or current affairs investigations or something like that,
but they'd often be dramatizations or you know, like a
Mayfa TV movie about yeah, he wanted.

Speaker 2 (02:13):
To succeed, he would do anything to do so.

Speaker 4 (02:15):
But you know, you always see the downside, and invariably
it's like I'm punching a hole on a wall, or yeah,
even acting out against the people who love you, and
they sort of say, you might be going a little
hard on the road.

Speaker 2 (02:26):
Bit shut up. But instead of that, it's like I'm
going to leave you. You try't live me, I'll kill you.
Oh yeah, oh yeah. I mean they're taking what already
sort of existed, I guess there in the culture, and
just to quote the song, pushing it to the limit. Yeah, yeah,
you're right in I didn't expect it to go this hard,
this fast. But at the same time, this is South

(02:48):
Park that we're dealing with. Of course they're going to
uh yeah, take it a little bit further for both
comic effect. It's not funny. I think the wise choice
was they didn't play it up for comic effects.

Speaker 4 (02:59):
No, absolutely, they did to some degree though, but it's
it's a pretty sort of black humor. Well in terms
of like it's not necessarily an overreaction, but a very
heightened reaction.

Speaker 2 (03:10):
He's like, no, why am I doing it?

Speaker 4 (03:12):
And they've got the crime and they've got the adagio
over strings music playing, which is just shorthand for poignancy.

Speaker 2 (03:20):
Oh god, what a human tragy this is.

Speaker 4 (03:21):
But yeah, the whole thing with yeah, with with Nancy coming, Yeah,
we were meant to meet and all this. I feel
bad saying I'm stepping on my favorite moments, because this
shouldn't be anybody's favorite moment. For him to say, oh
Jesus as going to say running your math again. It
felt very authentic. I mean sort of if you've done
any research or even just had any exposure to stories.

Speaker 2 (03:42):
Of you've did a domestic, violent household.

Speaker 4 (03:45):
But certainly experienced of things like roid rage, all people
abusing drugs and their personality being altered as a result.
It's like, yeah, this feels very familiar. But also it's
a little bit funny when you've got a character like
Jimmy doing who is normally the most positive and upbeat,
yeah and friendly person for him to do an absolute
heel turn the ways, it's like it's a very complex

(04:07):
set of a set of emotions you're feeling as a result.
I mean, we're watching a comedy, watching animated comedy. It's
kind of funny at the same time, and you are
playing up. I don't know, yeah, the heightened emotions of it,
and I was saying yeah at the same time, not funny.

Speaker 2 (04:21):
But I think for a even though it's South Park right,
for such a dark moment and a theme of domestic abuse, right,
I don't think enough was really highlighted to showcase the
impact and repercussions of his actions. It was more a
case of him just going it was the steroids, my bad,
and we're going no worries, Jimmy. I was like, uh,
what about Nancy? And Nancy seemed to sort of forgive
him in the crowd. I was like, she got beaten.

Speaker 4 (04:43):
Up, and yeah, you see it with the various bandages
and the I think her arm and the sling and
all that kind of stuff.

Speaker 2 (04:48):
So I guess it's a twenty two minute episode of
a cartoon. But still he beat up? Oh yeah, oh girl. Yeah.

Speaker 4 (04:54):
And here's the thing I mean, do we give it
a bit of latitude and a bit of leew because
it's Parker and Stone, because it's like, one thing I
was thinking when I was watching this episode is and
I don't mean this to slight Seth McFarlane or anything
like that, but imagine like the Family Guy version of
this episode. I'm not trying to dis Family Guy excessively,

(05:15):
but I think it might kind of suck. I think
it would be insensitive and tone deaf and unfunny.

Speaker 2 (05:21):
And that's the joke. You think that was bad? He
was You think that was bad.

Speaker 4 (05:32):
So I think Parker and Stone have built up enough
goodwill and also there's enough of a relationship between their
work and the audience that they've created and the audience
that they're building. Oh Okay, we see what you're doing here.

Speaker 2 (05:45):
I know you're not mocking domestic guy.

Speaker 4 (05:46):
Yeah, yeah, we know that you've probably got a little
bit more going upstairs. And again I'm not saying that
to Sledge, Seth mccarnal or family guy. They've got smart
people working for them. But yeah, this kind of feels
more like, Oh, I'm glad South Park's handling this.

Speaker 2 (06:00):
Yeah. True. The use of steros too in sport still
a hard topic, to the point where we're now getting
the enhanced the Enhanced Games. The Enhanced Games set for
May twenty twenty six in Las Vegas. Would you like
to know more about the Enhanced Games.

Speaker 4 (06:12):
I know a little bit about it. I know that
Australian's swimmer James Magnuson is very big on it.

Speaker 2 (06:17):
So it says the Enhanced Game I would propose multi
sport event founded by Australian businessman Aaron Dessauser. It will
allow athletes to use performance enhancing substances without being subject
to drug tests. According to Dessauser, he created the Games
because athletes are entitled to do what they wish with
their own bodies, and the International Olympic Committee is corrupt

(06:37):
and not paying them enough. The first competition of the
Games is scheduled for May twenty twenty six. Reactions have
been generally negative from the sporting world, the scientific community,
and media outlets, with commentators highlighting the safety risk of
encouraging performance enhancing drug use.

Speaker 4 (06:52):
It feels like we're reaching a really interesting stage in
human society.

Speaker 2 (06:56):
We are reaching idiocracy sort of.

Speaker 4 (07:00):
It's more like cinersocracy, like cynical.

Speaker 2 (07:04):
It make sure you invest in power ad because it's
what plants as what plants crave. Yeah, it get some
broad dough, buy stock in broad O. I do know.

Speaker 4 (07:12):
I'm sorry by the way, I missed the opportunity that
you were throwing me there. I would like to know
more Starship Trooper style. But it's you know, hearing something,
hearing about something like that which sounds you know, it's
being caused in these terms like well, we've read all
these all these great scientific achievements and advancements. Why don't
we push it to the limit. I'm going to use

(07:33):
that joke so many times throughout this episode.

Speaker 2 (07:34):
Turn off. Now they use it so many times in
this episode.

Speaker 4 (07:37):
As they should. I want to talk more about it
because I love it so much. But yeah, why don't
we use our great scientific and technical know how to
see what the human body and the human engine and
all that.

Speaker 2 (07:50):
Kind of stuff is capable of. This might be the
next step in human evolution.

Speaker 4 (07:54):
It's like, people, I'm sorry, I know I talk about
AI a bit, but I'm seeing more and more stuff
of like hustle culture type saying my bus thought I
was working, I was working all weekend.

Speaker 2 (08:05):
Guess what.

Speaker 4 (08:05):
I used these five AI tools and I got, you know,
six hours of work done in six minutes. You can
do it too, followed these steps, it's like, yeah, when
it's like the masks off, it's like, oh, forget it,
let's not bother it.

Speaker 2 (08:19):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (08:19):
Yeah, So it's yeah, the whole steroid thing, Yeah, I
mean this was kind of yeah pressure in that regard
all this. This is the steroids have been around for
a very long time.

Speaker 2 (08:26):
And this in what twenty four so twenty one years ago,
and it's still a thing. Oh yeah, absolutely, yeah, and
even again they included the three baseball players who were
embroiled in the in that steroid scandal. Yeah yeah, So
what was the episode that Butters gets his own episode
or whatever it was where they had the people who
killed the kids as that's right, and yeah you did it,

(08:46):
you liars, you liars.

Speaker 4 (08:48):
It was a similar It was like, yeah, what was
the named the senator Garret Con I believe John, Yeah
it was it John Benet's parents.

Speaker 2 (08:55):
Yes, yeah, liars, you did it? Say you did it? Yeah?
For Jimmy at the end here, taking stories is just sorry,
I did a Jimmy voice, which I shouldn't do, even
though my impression is on point. I think the voice
is okay, as long to do the stutter. Okay, thank
you for giving me that line. I appreciate that.

Speaker 4 (09:15):
No, but okay, I'll just do it in guy voice.
But taking stories is just like pretending to be handicapped
at the special limbits and you're cutting to their faces
and that kind of Well.

Speaker 2 (09:23):
I did do some research and I asked a couple of friends,
and apparently the term we need to use here is
differently abled, differently able, handicapped is no longer the term
you can't use that not the term you can't handicap
no longer exists. Don't use it. Okay.

Speaker 4 (09:35):
I'm glad you asked, because it really does seem to
swap from one to the other to back again to
oh no, we're not using that one.

Speaker 2 (09:43):
I was told handicap hasn't been used for a long time. Basically,
I was told, you can use disabled, but the preferred
is different differently. All right, well, hey, I'm just reading
ones on the cast, that's what he said.

Speaker 4 (09:55):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, but yeah, to actually focus on McGuire,
Gambi and Barry Bond. Barry Bonds I think especially seemed
to be the one.

Speaker 2 (10:04):
Who was.

Speaker 4 (10:06):
The real poster child for steroid abuse. But yeah, certainly
these three were really embroiled in it. I did a little, yeah,
a little bit of research red Wikipedia, but yeah, there
was some interesting stuff surrounding this, including a Spanish basketball
team that in the year two thousand went to the
two thousand Paralympics, and it turns out that not every

(10:29):
member of the team had an intellectual disability.

Speaker 2 (10:31):
Really, I was just thinking, imagine being like Contra band,
the guy on that team. I don't know how you
feels like first of all, the moral issue of it.
Did they all know that's the thing? What do you
mean the members of the team. Did they all guys
to the team know that as a couple of them.

Speaker 4 (10:49):
Imagine yourself without an intellectual disability, and like, how did
how did.

Speaker 2 (10:55):
I end up here? You know?

Speaker 4 (10:56):
You, first of all, you got the moral quandary of
like I do here? Yeah, yeah, you'll have car, You'll
have your inner car saying this is really really terrible
and you're probably going to go to hell for this.
But then, just as a human being with some forgive me,
I don't mean this to sound insensitive away, but with
some degree of say pride and your achievements and your
ability to be like, but wait a minute, I'm competing

(11:17):
in the special and posing of someone with an intellectual disabilities?

Speaker 2 (11:20):
Like how did I end up here? Would you tell
your family and friends? Like what, I'm going to Mexico
for a week. Check out my gold mentals, like don't
but don't look too close.

Speaker 4 (11:33):
It seems like I've got a few letters scratched out
in front of the Olympics.

Speaker 2 (11:36):
What's going on there, buddy? What's going on? Pablo?

Speaker 4 (11:40):
So I just found that fascinating and but the thing
of it is that the other thing that's kind of
funny and relevant is there was a movie coming out
around this time called The Ringer.

Speaker 2 (11:50):
Yeah. Yeah, well we'll talk about that moment. What to
go to there?

Speaker 4 (11:53):
Okay, well yeah, yeah, but that's certainly a conversation with
having me. There's a lot of funny stuff and a
lot of people can strays in the conversation about it.

Speaker 2 (12:02):
Yeah yeah, But before we do, I want to throw
a shout out to Timmy, an absolute legend in this episode.
Who Yes, he's annoyed that Jimmy is cheating, right, but
I think he's just more worried about the health of
his friend. Oh yeah, yeah.

Speaker 4 (12:13):
I don't think he's doing it from a high horse
down or anything like that. It's like it's not safe,
even so slightly, but he's if it's a high horse.
He's disappointed and that his friend's standards have dropped or
his friend has yeah, let his morals slip them.

Speaker 2 (12:28):
Yeah, yeah, I trusted you. I expected better of you,
exactly me. Yeah, because Jimmy is I won't say it seems.

Speaker 4 (12:35):
Very much like a partnership of equals with the tom
or they seem like a good team together, but Jimmy
does seem like the alpha whenever these two are together
or he's the one who's sort of calling the shots.
He's very happy to have Timmy there, and he needs
Timmy as his as his backup and his and his support.

Speaker 2 (12:50):
So it was good to see the script flipped a
little bit.

Speaker 4 (12:52):
There, and yeah, Timmy to be the one who's kind
of like, now you're in the wrong here, and I want.

Speaker 2 (12:57):
To sort of lead you back to the light. I
liked it a great deal. But yeah, yeah, Timmy what
a boss in this episode. And I really liked the
conversations that they'll have, the real dam conversations between Timmy
and Jimmy, and all Timmy is saying is tim to me,
I feel like me personally. Was almost like a tribute
to Han Solo having conversations with Chewbacker. Oh yeah, well
you have no idea what bec is saying, but Hahn
expresses it in a way that you're like, oh, that's

(13:18):
what he was saying.

Speaker 4 (13:19):
Yeah, that's what makes Harrison forward Harrison Ford. Yeah, that
his skill.

Speaker 2 (13:25):
As an actor. It's very underrated.

Speaker 4 (13:27):
But yeah, although sometimes properly right, because I just watched
Captain America Bradney World the other night.

Speaker 2 (13:32):
You He also is one of the best improval lines
in All Star Wars.

Speaker 4 (13:36):
Oh is it? I'm fine, We're all fine.

Speaker 2 (13:39):
How are you? Yes? Yeah? What a lord? How good?
But yeah, talking.

Speaker 4 (13:45):
About you're right in what you're saying about Timmy and
particularly that conversation.

Speaker 2 (13:49):
I think that the thing you improved the most there
was boring conversation anyway? Also great, Yeah, you just came.
How cool is he at that moment.

Speaker 4 (14:00):
I'm pretty sure that every kiddus All Star Wars back
in the day probably said boring conversation anyway, tried to
follow it into conversation in some.

Speaker 2 (14:09):
Way, like it is it actually boring conversation? Boring conversation anyway? Look,
we're gonna have God love it.

Speaker 4 (14:16):
As I said, yeah, I'm I'm glad you pointed out
the whole Jimmy and Timmy conversation, which is basically Timmy Timmy,
Timmy Timmy. One thing I was thinking, I was just
picturing in my head the recording studio or the recording
booth or whatever, when there's the Jimmy Jimmy, Jimmy Jimmy
monologue that he's giving to Mackie. Yeah, that just would

(14:37):
have been so funny. It just would have been so
funny to be I'm just it's.

Speaker 2 (14:41):
It's Trey who does this voice?

Speaker 4 (14:42):
Yeah, I'm assuming yeah, yeah, just imagining Trey Parker in
the booth, just I can see him doing it, and
you could just imagine the whole south Parker or whoever's
working in the end, because.

Speaker 2 (14:55):
Mackie as well. Oh oh my goodness.

Speaker 4 (14:58):
So it just would have been like a front row
seat to a three ring circus.

Speaker 2 (15:03):
It just would have been fantastic. Google voice of Timmy
south park It is Trade Parker.

Speaker 4 (15:10):
Yeah, yeah, because that's that's just a little tour de force,
that bit, a little sort of nice comedy.

Speaker 2 (15:17):
It's just an iconic little comedy bit. There is a
clip of him doing it, mister Mackey voice on TikTok,
and it's like one no video, it's just like the
voice he becomes just the making. It's so funny.

Speaker 4 (15:29):
I don't want to talk about voice actors too much,
but you can see, Yeah, when when really good ones
are doing it, how they sort of take on the
character as well.

Speaker 2 (15:38):
I don't reckon they would even call themselves good voice actors.
Trademark because they there's that as well. They tweak their
voices now, but it's like, but it's like when we
want you know, you watch basketball, for instance, and they're
essentially doing the Cartmen voice to pig someone out. But
he's sort of putting on you get he's basically becoming Cartmen. Yeah. Yeah,

(16:00):
he's forming the shape of Cartmen with his under root.
Everyone has said, it's the guys, it's that guy cart
It's funny.

Speaker 4 (16:10):
I actually didn't put it down in one of my
favorite moments, but it is one of my favorite moments
in the episode.

Speaker 2 (16:15):
Now, let's get to the plot that everybody remembers. Right,
So we have the steroid angle, but it's Cartman pretending
to be differently able in order to get into the
Special Olympics. Right. It's a subject that many people would
never dare attempt, right, unless you're Parker A. Stone or
the Family Brothers. Now, I said the Family Brothers because
a lot of people claim that this movie that move
ripped off this episode right at the time, because the
episode came out first and the movie came out the

(16:37):
year later. That's not what happened, right, So I did
some research and I looked. I found an en semi
weekly article from two thousand and five where the writer
of the film, Ricky Blitt. Yes, he claimed that he
pitched it to Parker of Stone's production company back in
nineteen ninety nine and they turned it down. He then

(16:58):
took it to Fox and it was fairly like, yeah,
they've got the green light. Yeah. Now, I don't know
if they said this in the Entertainment Weekly artict which
I also read, Yeah, but I think they were of
the mind is like, yeah, we had the idea. We're thinking, oh, look.

Speaker 4 (17:11):
We're gonna be lucky to be able to stretch us
out to twenty two months, let alone a movie.

Speaker 2 (17:15):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (17:15):
So I was like, po take that, Ricky Blitz. Yeah.
But then they do say an Entertainment Week. I was like, yeah,
we don't really get stuff pitched to us.

Speaker 2 (17:26):
We pitched movies. Yeah, people's oh damn.

Speaker 4 (17:30):
It's like, no, your playsing the Becker or a Ricky Blitt.
So I must have been I don't think I've never
seen The Ringer.

Speaker 2 (17:38):
You've never seen it? No? Really? Yeah? Wow, but this
is yeah, this is directed by the Farrelly Brothers. Yeah, Starr,
Johnny Knox. It's surprisingly really respectful and loving and emotional.
It's actually a very funny movie. You watch, you hear
the promacy to go I refuse to watch his base
out of principle, right, Yeah, but they the reason the
film took so long to come out was because they

(18:00):
had to get special acknowledgment and what's the term looking
for approval? Approval from the special the pics themselves, right,
and they officially endorsed the film. It's actually worth watching.

Speaker 4 (18:14):
I'll give it because, Yeah, here's the thing. You often
hear about situations.

Speaker 2 (18:18):
You even gave it three stars out of four. Way
to go, right, You hear about situations like this, and yeah,
I think you're right. Maybe a default instinct or impression
is to go, oh, oh you do a stand and car,
we're steering clearer.

Speaker 4 (18:35):
There's one guys, this is not something that should be
touched more than half the time. Maybe it's like, oh,
this is actually done with a lot more sensitivity than
I would express south Park to a tea. Yeah, certainly,
and but it happened. We've come to sort of accept
it or expect it from south Park.

Speaker 2 (18:51):
It's like, oh, they're going to go there.

Speaker 4 (18:53):
Oh they went there, and they actually didn't you know,
made you think about it. They didn't drive off a
cliff with it. Well don There was another movie recently
starring Woody Harrelson called Champions, which I think is about
a differently abled might be a basketball team or something
like that.

Speaker 2 (19:10):
And again, you know, Mighty Ducks was called Champions in Australia.

Speaker 4 (19:13):
I did know that continue and when I first heard
about it, oh yeah, and this is like only this
only reason, like maybe two or three years old, I
had that knee jerk reaction, like no, watching there, there's
so many potential pitfalls and potholes in this one, not
even going near. Then you read reviews and it's like, no,
they treat these differently able characters with a lot of

(19:33):
are They give them a lot of agency, a lot
of personality. It's not just it's not it's neither heartwarming
Schmaltz nor insensitive Drek.

Speaker 2 (19:43):
It's no.

Speaker 4 (19:45):
It's it's basically an underdog story, an underdog sports story,
the characters, and it just happened to be differently abled.

Speaker 2 (19:51):
It's not like the water Boy No Babba Bouche. Yeah, yeah,
I mean that one. You're watching it, you're like, oh yeah.

Speaker 4 (19:59):
You're really caring about you haven't got a sensitivity reader
for this script. But at the same time it just
works because Soundless just so funny and everyone hit it
is so funny, and we're on his side as well
as he's not the butt of the joke.

Speaker 2 (20:14):
Or he is at the start. Well, yeah, because you've
got to have that. You've got to have that bad people. Yeah, yeah,
oh yeah.

Speaker 4 (20:23):
That's the other thing. Whenever, whenever a character in a
situation like this, it's.

Speaker 2 (20:26):
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finger discount. So this EW article, it says Ricky Blitt,
as you're saying, describe behind the subversely silly new Johnny
Knoxville comedy. The Ringer says he was shocked when he

(21:08):
recently came across a post bashing him on the Rotten
Tomatoes website. The post, from an irate South Park fan
urged the animator shows creators Matt Stone and Trey Parker
to sue the makers of The Ringer, including producers Peter
and Bobby Farreley, ripping off an episode of the Comedy
Central show in which Cartman this one he pretends to
be mentally challenged in order to qualify for the Special Olympics.

(21:29):
I promise that Mirror is the concept of the Fox
Searchlight film due to his theaters in December. But Blitt,
who claims he had the idea first, as it was
Stone and Parker who ripped him off, and that he's
the one who should be suing, let the few begin.

Speaker 4 (21:42):
So here's the thing, as you said about The Ringer,
quite sensitive, quite inclusive, all the good stuff, the size step,
a lot of the potholes that you think such a
project might have.

Speaker 2 (21:52):
You look at the poster for its yes, and.

Speaker 4 (21:54):
It's Johnny Knoxville, and he's essentially he's pulling the Cartman.
He's pulling the faces that cartmon is pulling when he's
to get into character, So of course you're goin to think,
oh my god, this is just the lowest common denominated nonsense.

Speaker 2 (22:06):
So apparently tanked at the box office too. I wouldn't
be surprised. I think it's just a case of it's
one of those premises where you hear and you go,
I kind of don't want to be seen buying a
ticket to this thing. Yeah, you don't want to be
seen endorsing this. That's right, that's a really good way
of putting it. I think that's what. Maybe that's what.
So twenty million dollar budget, forty million dollars in the
box office, it would have lost a lot of money,

(22:27):
sorry cost twenty forty Yeah, but think of aout the marketing.
Yeah yeah, it would have lost money. Yeah, you have
to make two and a half times your money. Yeah,
that's that's the usual metric. So yeah, so it's lost.
But yeah, critics gave it a positive review, but a
lot of people on Rotten Tomatoes gave it a bad
review because I think that's just the premise themselves put
them off, but they didn't actually probably watch it. Sure, Yeah,

(22:48):
that's the problem with Rotten Tomatoes and stuff, so you
can just rate the film without actually watching it. How
often now do you see a film get a bad
review of Rotten Tomat's before it's even coming out. I'm
not gonna be Rotten Tomatoes guy. No, no, not at all.
But I would recommend. It's been a long time since
I've watched, but I remember at the end of it
going I can't believe I wasn't offended by this. This
was actually a very sweet story.

Speaker 4 (23:07):
Okay, I believe it's probably on Disney Plus I think
it is. Yeah, yeah, friend of the Pod, Yes, the
Friend of the Pod indeed. But yes, basically, as you
were saying here, my friends told me to get over it,
Blitz says. But all these people are going to think
that I'm the one who took it from them because
theirs came out first and took our seven years to make.
I thought I could handle it, A long story short,
I couldn't.

Speaker 2 (23:28):
Nice but a self awareness by Ricky, I mean, I mean,
I get that if you felt, in your heart of
hearts that you people were thinking that you don't rip
something off when you knew you hadn't, it would bother you, right, Oh, absolutely,
and in these two smart asses are going around saying, oh, yeah,
fucking whatever, buddy, you like no, and not just any
smart asses Parker and stuff, these smart asses, Yeah, you

(23:49):
would immediately feel uncool because they're they're the cool kids,
and rubbing in your face and then and then and
there we did it first. We didn't copy anybody. It's
like because his claim is that he picture to the
production team and somehow got back to like their writer's room,
and they sort of used the idea. Their thing is,
it's such a basic story. Anyone could have done it.
It's like pretty convenient, that's true. But at the time

(24:12):
we've been too nice to Barker and Stone. Did people
know about the Ring of film coming out? Because they
make their films pretty much in real time? Right, So
it's we're talking about Parkering Stone making South Park episodes
and four would news of the Ring of Film had
been announced, all leaked or anything yet? I don't know.

Speaker 4 (24:30):
I mean, maybe like a thing in the trade papers,
like variety of the Hollywood reporters say johny Knox will
sid to be in the Ring the megas of there
something about matter, and I wonder.

Speaker 2 (24:38):
They went, we should probably make this before they do. Possibly.

Speaker 4 (24:41):
Possibly, it's all just hypotheticals.

Speaker 2 (24:46):
Ricky, get on the line, let us let us know.

Speaker 4 (24:48):
Come on the show. We're happy to explore the ring
of Verse even further.

Speaker 2 (24:53):
What were your thoughts on this episode at the time,
because of reviews claiming that this one doesn't age well,
but I completely disagree because it's handled in a way
that from the beginning absolutely nobody thinks Cartin is doing
the right thing. He's a despicable person for doing what
he's doing. So that's where for me it hasn't aged
terribly because in no way are they endorsing this behavior.
Oh no, they front loaded, yeah, yeah, yeah. The other

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they make sure you're kids, this is not what you
should be doing.

Speaker 4 (25:18):
They say from the jump, bad idea. You're a bad
person for even thinking it.

Speaker 2 (25:24):
Even his mother. Yeah. But they reiterate throughout it.

Speaker 4 (25:28):
And then I have Kyle come to and saying, look,
as your friend, I need to say this here, don't do.

Speaker 2 (25:32):
This, and he just walks off in silence. He's like,
I can't change this guy's mind. He tries to flip
it back on him. I was like, this kid is
so despicable. You trying to make it like a hymn problem.

Speaker 4 (25:40):
Absolutely, so, Yeah, I can't say it's aged badly in
that regard or any regard really. And yeah, this is
one that I certainly remember watching the first time around
and enjoying the first time around. I mean, I'm a
I'm a big fan of the Jimmy Timmy dynamic. I
think they're always entertaining. And again I don't mean that DESNDS.
I think Parker's genuinely love these characters, not just from

(26:03):
a creative standpoint. Yeah, I think they find, you know, look,
a lot of really fun and entertaining stuff to do them,
but I think they generally like and respect them and
want to present them in really positive ways and not
patronizing ways either. I mean, I love how Jimmy comes
up to the kids and saying, hey, guys, if you're

(26:24):
not doing anything, come cheer for us at the the
Special Olympics, and the kids are immediately like, yeah, absolutely
happy to because they're part of the gang.

Speaker 2 (26:32):
That's what you do for your mates. Yeah. And we've
always said they don't see them for their physical disabilities, No,
not at all.

Speaker 4 (26:39):
No, So yeah, I honestly think that, Yeah, Parkers don't
really love these characters and it shows in this episode.

Speaker 2 (26:44):
Jimmy and Timmy. The only is Jimmy. They don't can
understand Timmy. Because have you had anycknowledgement that the other
kids can understand Timmy yet, because it's clear mister Mackie
can't understand it. Yeah, that's true. Is something new development
and oh wait, the adults can't understand Tommy, but the
kids can.

Speaker 4 (27:00):
Maybe I'm trying to sort of cast my mind back
to think about episodes that Timmy's been in where he's
saying a lot of Tibet because.

Speaker 2 (27:06):
That was the first time when I'm watching this rio
where I felt they were mocking Timmy because mister Mackie
couldn't understand him. And the joke was that Timmy's saying
all this stuff and it's like, oh no, this kid
can't actually say anything, and that's the gag. The gag
is that his kid can't speak. Okay, I'm not getting
it as a mocking thing. What's what the joke is that, oh,
this kid can't speak.

Speaker 4 (27:26):
Well, he's making this very impassioned speak and clearly in
Timmy's mind, he's got like a very cogent argument that
he's making or a very impassionate. Isn't it funny that
he can't say it properly?

Speaker 2 (27:38):
That's the joke. Yeah, I guess so. The joke is literally,
this kid is trying to communicate something and he can't
because he's got a is disabled. That's the joke.

Speaker 4 (27:46):
Maybe I want to read a bit more into it,
but it's almost like our parents just don't understand thing,
you know how sometimes the kids in the adult are
speaking different languages. I'm really trying to bare my soul
to you and you're just not getting it. That may
be the cutting them way too much slack. Maybe I'm
a horribly insensitive because I didn't. I didn't walk away
from this scene going oh, they're making fun of.

Speaker 2 (28:08):
Because I only felt that because this is the first
time nobody has understood Timmy before.

Speaker 4 (28:12):
Yeah, I just want to want to roll back a
little bit, because, yeah, when if there have been when
there have been episodes with Timmy and the past where
he's saying tim I don't know if it's in the
context of him sort of like explain saying something to
the kids, get other kids, like to Kyle or to
stand or whatever, and then going that's right, Timmy or
oh no, I never thought of it that way too.

Speaker 2 (28:31):
I think they I feel like they may have, though
I'm not too sure, but just this is fellow the
first time they were really acknowledging, Oh no, you can't
understand what this kid's saying.

Speaker 4 (28:37):
Yeah, I think generally the other kids are more like
cool dude, just Sam morand even if we don't quite
pick up what he's saying.

Speaker 2 (28:45):
But it seems weird that like Jimmy would understand him, like,
it's such a weird angle to take it. Oh now
we can't understand him.

Speaker 4 (28:53):
I know where you're coming from it. I know how
that could be read in that differently. Abel people are
the only people who can understand differently. Yeah, people, I
can see how that would come across.

Speaker 2 (29:02):
As kind of like, I don't know about that guy's
little sketch. Maybe it was just it was the first
time where Timmy's disability felt like a bit of a punchline. Well,
felt like and I'm sorry to use the outdated term
a handicap, yeah, because it impedes his ability to communicate
with someone else, and someone he needs to communit or
wants to communicate with, because he's got this very important

(29:23):
issue that it's just weak. It just came from this
scene where he was having this deep and meaningful conversation
with Jimmy, who can clearly understand him, and a customs
to Mackie, and he's looks to me.

Speaker 4 (29:34):
Now, it depends on your perspective if you want to
realign your thinking. So, Okay, Mack's the butt of the joke.
He because he's just not listening or he just doesn't understand. Look,
you can do that whatever gets you through the night, right,
But I stand by my initial statement that I really
think that Parkerns don't have just a lot of time
in life for Jimmy and Timmy to the point where

(29:58):
they're willing to make them, make Jimmy the central character
of as I said, and After School Special or something
like that, make him unsympathetic. Yeah, that's so many shows,
so many pieces of popular culture or whatever tend to
maybe not so much now, but certainly back in the day,
it was like if they're differently abled, Oh well, they're
just an angel sent from heaven.

Speaker 2 (30:19):
Yes, all this kind of stuff them incapable of. He's
a dick sometimes, Absolutely, I think you're forgetting that this
is a human being. And human beings.

Speaker 4 (30:28):
You know, we're kind of where we can be messed
up and flawed and imperfect. So can these guys.

Speaker 2 (30:34):
Yeah, exactly so. Apparently in the commentary, Once admits that
he pretended to be definitely able to get into six places.
Make it man, I was like, I take back, said
you're a shocking person.

Speaker 4 (30:47):
I haven't said that if you've been to six Flag
or any plays with a long line ship.

Speaker 2 (30:52):
It wasn't get skipped the cut, it was just to
get in half price.

Speaker 4 (30:55):
I'm still find I'm still allowing it. Knock guy Davis
allows it.

Speaker 2 (30:59):
I think the best example of pretending to have a
disability to get is Homer. He parks the car and
then limps Dan.

Speaker 4 (31:10):
We could perhaps draw a through line a connection between
Matstone pretending to be differently able to get into an
amusement park for half price and you bum rushing charity
person at the shopping center by holding it my kids
saying that my kid.

Speaker 2 (31:25):
I think it's a bit different, but also said, let's
get a favorite moments. I want to start with Nathan.
Let's what an absolute legend. I think the fact that
we only see him for like a minute in this episode,

(31:47):
added is the mistake of the character. It's yeah, shutcuts,
the ultimate heel. I love this guy. The design is
so funny that the voice is so funny.

Speaker 4 (31:59):
Yeah, yeah, I'm trying to recall I was doing a
little dive on this and well, not that deep, kind
of hit my head on the bottom of the pall
with the shell of my diving was I sent you
a picture a while back when we talked about crazy Cripples,
and I've sent you a picture that I found on Reddit.
Actually it's a great place to find stuff, but it
was in the south Park subreddit, and you have a

(32:21):
young man with Down syndrome and he's white. He's got
a lot of African American gang members beyond, and they're
all throwing gang signs. He's got like a blue bandana
on or something like that. I think someone said, like
the original Jimmy, it was something along those lines. I'm
not sure if this is true, but apparently the character
of Nathan was based on that guy. Oh really, yeah.

Speaker 2 (32:42):
Yeah, but oh look, I've yeah.

Speaker 4 (32:46):
The minute I saw Nathan, there's like I just got
so happy because I just high adore in just the
fact that he's just such a villain and yeah, yeah,
you're right the way you speak, but the design had
been the head tilt, the tinted shade, the smart as.
Oh yeah, but he's just sinister. Yeah, if we're in

(33:09):
favorite moments, Favorite moments, Yeah, just when he's when he's
pushing the you said the line of that shortcust before
Jimmy gets seduced into it, but he's like, I'm just
going to try a little bit, you know, just to
just to get me through this day. It's real film
noir villains.

Speaker 2 (33:25):
What have you said?

Speaker 4 (33:27):
I have to do this kind of voice. I'm not
doing it as anything like that because this isn't really even.

Speaker 2 (33:32):
A forgive this part voice. This is more just like
a I'm just a sinister villain kind of voice. It's
like Peter Laurie out of an old forties movie here,
Harry Olden, Yeah, he always played.

Speaker 4 (33:42):
Those kinds of like you can't trust me kind of character. Yeah,
So to do that kind of the little inflation that
is what did you say, Jimmy my friend? Perfect pause?
Whatever you say, Oh did.

Speaker 2 (33:56):
Jimmy my friend or Jimmy my boy? Either it was
Jimmy my friend my friend? Is that okay? But it
could be either, but I like, yeah, just the fact
that he's I wouldn't hurt you, is it? Whatever you say,
Jimmy my friend? Yes, but just that perfect whatever you say.
Did you say the quiet part out loud? Yeah? I
love that. Do you want to go do something your favorite? Man? Well,

(34:19):
that was one of my name and the drug Dealer
was was one of my favorites. I also loved it.
You want to discuss it Cartman's montage of working out.
To push it to the limit, it had to look
like a differently able person.

Speaker 4 (34:27):
First of all, just push it to the limit. From
the original movie soundtrack of Scarface.

Speaker 2 (34:31):
This is this is them pushing to the limit what
they can get away from. Sounds a good matter sort
of musical choice. But it's such a great eighties song.
It's a quintessential eighties synth tune. It's the perfect montage song,
it really is.

Speaker 4 (34:46):
It works fantastically in Scarface where Tony Montana is making
that money.

Speaker 2 (34:49):
But it's so easy terms it's got that, it's got that.

Speaker 4 (34:54):
Would we now be completely culturally insensitive little Asian.

Speaker 2 (35:00):
You do do you can tell that the guy who
wrote this is like, welcome to my doojo he's got
like Sam Roisell's on the wall. Shit, it's just feel's
got do do do do? Do?

Speaker 4 (35:15):
Do you yourself getting pumped up. Yeah, it's like, Oh,
on the rare occasions when I'm going to go for
a run, I'll.

Speaker 2 (35:22):
Put this on beforehand, push it to the limit. So yeah,
fantastic and fantastic choice for this montage. But all the
various aspects of the montage, whether he's reading books, doing
the working at the walk, the green screen thing, like
the little balls, that's the best emotional Holy ship. It's
so funny for me though, it's when he puts a

(35:44):
howd on, but then when he tightens it makes the
face change, like, oh, Ship, I can't believe that. I
can't believe they're doing this.

Speaker 4 (35:50):
But just trying on those various faces in the in
the mirror, I'm adding, I'm adding myself as certainly a
person of my time. Yeah, and you know, an insensitive kid,
but yeah, I think we all did that. Never look,
and I'm not trying to pay myself, no no, but
you never did it to like someone who was actually

(36:11):
differently able. You never sort of make fun of them
that way. But if you were like if someone was
like being a dumber.

Speaker 2 (36:16):
She just got ooh. I called Nicola out recently for
doing this. She went because Nicola worked in I won't
say where she worked, but she worked with people in
this in this sumidity, and I did something. She goes.
I was like, you were in twenty twenty five. How
offensive that is. She's like, you're right, yeah, but it's
just so, it's just something that we've just always done. Well.

Speaker 4 (36:37):
Yeah, I particularly oh Man Davis back in the pre
enlightened twentieth century.

Speaker 2 (36:43):
Of course. Yeah, it's what we do, isn't it. Yeah, yeah,
absolutely so.

Speaker 4 (36:48):
And I get the feeling because Parker and saying is
sort of the same vintage as me. I guess we're
sort of similar.

Speaker 2 (36:54):
This was also twenty one years ago, this episode. There's
that as well. But I'm thinking the comment that I
never the jokes of the beer and pulled faces to
try and look like oh no, absolutely not, no, no no.

Speaker 4 (37:05):
But I think people of a certain era, in a
certain age, Yeah, certain jokes hit hard because you recognize
them as well, not because they're funny, they're well constructed
or well delivered or anything like that. It's like because
there's too it's funny because it's Truere's a grain of
truth in that. And yeah, people of this sort of
ilk probably would have made fun of someone being a
dumb as but going oh no, that was that was me,

(37:31):
so yeah, you recognize that. But honestly that Yeah, that
whole montage is very very funny.

Speaker 2 (37:37):
Yeah, yeah, I loved so Leanne, right, she knows this
the wrong thing, but he convinces her. Well, she's so
easily led, she is easily led. Well, takes a bit
of convincing this time, right, oh yeah, which goes to
show just how despicable it is what he's doing, right, correct,
But when he in the light, he's signing up and
he does the sound, and the look on Leanne's face

(37:58):
is it to say, I can't believe doing this. But
when he walks against man, you like that. You like that,
and I like that as well.

Speaker 4 (38:09):
But you like the start of it, and I very
much like the end of it, because, as I've always said,
and even during this episode, they love taking the piss
out of very special things, and especially stuff that's oh
so sincere Yeah, and I'm sure there have been actors
giving performances or dialogue that's written in la this mother.

Speaker 2 (38:29):
I just want to change. Help me, help me, help
me change. I have to now.

Speaker 4 (38:36):
Yeah, yeah, but it's so oh, that's so on the nose.
I mean, you watch that in a movie and you'll
be like, oh, okay, give you the oscar.

Speaker 2 (38:44):
I guess even tries to pull the swift in the
air where it's like, see I was doing this alone.
Oh that's marvelous.

Speaker 4 (38:50):
I love how he tries everything, every every card in
the deck, every trick in the book to sort of
get leander.

Speaker 2 (38:54):
Go along. I'll give you half the money. There's great
manipulation across the board from it is a fifth dan
black belt in emotional manipulation, A despicable more despicable. George
Stands is oh yeah, but very much starting off cute
like me. Then he's kind of like, okay, wait a minute, now,

(39:15):
I'm not specially. I thought you said it was special.

Speaker 4 (39:18):
Okay, that's not working. Give you half the money. No,
that's not working either.

Speaker 2 (39:24):
You're right, Okay, fine, I've been terrible. I need to change.
Help me change, all right? That one worked? Either that
or leanswers like get out of my kitchen. So yeah,
I love that. What else you got there? That's Okay,
remember there are no stupid questions, just stupid people. All right.
My first question for you is what game were the
boys playing? They last scene playing it in Latman joins

(39:46):
an ambler. Oh, I forgot. The name is build Someone
your investigative reports with Bill Curtis.

Speaker 4 (39:52):
Bill Curtis. That's right, I'm Bill Curtis. What is the
computer program Cartman is using to write his ways to
appear handicapped? It's in the top left hand corners. It's
fairly similar to ones.

Speaker 2 (40:04):
That we actually exist. No idea. What is it? It's
called word writer seven? Word writer seven. Okay. My next
question is what was Cartman's prize for the Spirit Award?
Was it a fifty dollar vouch of the Shaky's? Yeah? So,
Shaky's Pizza is a pizza restaurant chain, still existent basically
the United States and Philippines, get this right, Founded in
nineteen fifty four. It was the first franchise pizza chain

(40:26):
ever in the United States. Oh, the punch is a
claim to fame, right, sure, the first ever franchise pizza place.
What it's called Shaky's. Do you think the founder might
be like Shakespeare or not? William Shakespeare? But you know,
like some do name Shakespeare or Shaky's in their name. Look,
Shaky's Pizza was found in Sacramento by Sherwood Shaky Johnson,
and Ed Plummer is his nicknamed Shaky. Yeah, what a dude.

(40:50):
Shaky personally played Dixeyland jazz piano to entertain patrons, also
hiring the original members of the Silver Dollar Jazz Band,
paying the musicians ten dollars each plus all the beer
and pizza they wanted. Shaky, What have you had, sinners?
Have you seen the movies? Yeah? Yeah, this is another spoiler,
but there's a great bit in it where Michael Jordan

(41:10):
as Michael B. Jordan, that's one of the twins, is
trying to convince this legendary piano player to come and
sort of play at his duke joint. How about I
give you this amount of money and all the bee
you can drink. It's like, okay, so shake You soon
realized it was cheaper to pay the musicians scale what
a lord.

Speaker 4 (41:29):
This is making me want to either apologies to our
American friends. I'm not coming to the States anytime. So
Lou and I were talking about this on We were
reading some article about in the in the age about
a strange journalist who was apprehended when he got into
the States and taken to some room and they said,
all right, we're going to need your phone and your

(41:49):
past code said okay, yeah, look, we've looked through your
social media and all your stuff. You know, you've lied
on your form that gives you a visa. You're going
to be sent away, even though they just pulled an
old con cop colin and because none of that stuff
was on there. But they're also like, yeah, we found
that you said stuff about you know, the current administration
social media or.

Speaker 2 (42:10):
If you bad mouth Trump, you're in trouble.

Speaker 4 (42:13):
Yeah, you've paid a ship down the money to get
your flight over and you're going to be sent right,
So I'm not going to shake his in the stage.
Maybe I go to the Philippines.

Speaker 2 (42:20):
I know someone who got sent back because they retweeted
something that was anti Trump. We're ever getting in.

Speaker 4 (42:30):
We love our friend Claire who lives in California. We
don't think we're seeing you anytime soon. Yeah, I'll look
at like some of the things I've said about dj T.

Speaker 2 (42:38):
But Shaky's Pizza is also in the Philippines. We can
go there. Yeah, get some sun and some pizza. I'm
just looking at the menu here. What food they've got
classic pizzas, build your and pizza, fried chicken, alright, Averages
and desserts. Yeah, beverages and desserts on the top of
my post codes to what the closest one is You're nearest,
Shaky's is two thousand miles. Yeah, it doesn't say it

(43:01):
doesn't work, but Shaky's Pizza. Yeah, so I did, like
I was gonna be one more thing here. Shaky's Pizza
became known outside Sacramento, not just for its pizza, but
for the jazz program. Then it's sponsored on a regional
radio network. This sounds this.

Speaker 4 (43:13):
Awesome flash Shaky sounds like a boss. And let's not
discount the shaky.

Speaker 2 (43:16):
Johnson is honored in the American Banjo Museum in Oklahoma
City for his longtime use of banjo music and his
pizza parlors. Then I want to go to Shakey's.

Speaker 4 (43:25):
Let's American friends. If you if you've got the Shaky's
in your vicinity. I'm looking at the camera which is
not on. Go along, take a picture of that pizza,
send it to us. Take maybe even take a picture
of you enjoying a slice of that pizza.

Speaker 2 (43:37):
We'd love to see it. Yeah, we'd love.

Speaker 4 (43:39):
To see it. Wow, Shaky sounds like a real boss
dude Shaky's pizza parlor. Yeah, let's also give a shout
out to his business partner Plumber. It sounded like is
that Plumber like the p l U double m e oh,
like Christopher Plumber as opposed to.

Speaker 2 (43:56):
David who unplugged my dre I do love at the
end where it's like, you know, you get a Spirit
award and Cut was like, no, I want to get
fifty dollars gift card. He's like, ill loot back on
under put the mask back on absolutely. Next question, My next.

Speaker 4 (44:13):
Question to you, when did where and when did Jimmy
meet Nancy?

Speaker 2 (44:20):
It was some sort of class last class, free class,
free period or something. It was free period last week. Yeah.
My final question for you is how many reps did
Jimmy struggle to go? You got stuck on this number? Seven? Seven? Correct?

Speaker 4 (44:35):
All right, speaking numbers, can I give you one more
question more? What was the number the camp was wearing.

Speaker 2 (44:40):
On his chest when he was competing in the Special Olympics.
Is it less than ten? No? No? I'm going to
say seventeen, well, ten is in it. It's one O nine.
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Speaker 4 (46:25):
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Speaker 2 (46:34):
The original air date of Up the Down steroid was
March twenty fourth, two thousand and four. The top three
films at the US box office at this time number
three taking Lives featuring a rauchy sex scene with Ethan
Hawk and Angelina Jolie. Correct, Yes, not a bad serial killer.
Thrill of that one, Okay. Number two was Passion of
the Christ. Now down to number two because our film

(46:55):
Dawn of the Dead the remake is now number one
at the US box office. Yeah. What a kick ass
reommake that was.

Speaker 4 (47:00):
Zach ed the Proper Resurrection forget that hold Jesus Christ guy.
Yeah the Dead great?

Speaker 2 (47:07):
Yeah, great remat Yes, but written and director, of course
by Trey Parker. And the title is a based on
what mister Davis.

Speaker 4 (47:15):
It is based on a book that also became a
play called Up the Down Staircase, which is about an
ideal school teacher goes to work in the system becomes
a little bit disenchanted. Apparently Trey Parker had to act
in a stage adaptation of this in high school.

Speaker 2 (47:30):
I like it apparently and it was like this sucks. Yeah.
Film stars Sandy Dennis and Eileen Eckhardt to Oscar winners.
I believe sounds about right. This was. It was in
the late nineteen sixties. I believe sixty four was the book,
sixty seven was the film. So the episode kicks off
of Jimmy and Timmy asking the boys to come cheer
for them next Saturday at the Special Olympics being held

(47:51):
in Denver. Cartwhen is immediately intrigued. I love that when
they it's like a face change of Carton. When hears him,
he's like, wait a minute, there's an idea. And they
also they'll come and the boys they're going to go
train because there's a lot of stiff competition. I'm glad
they didn't play out in any way where one of
the kids was like stiff in some way. That would
have been a horrible joke. But Cartman can't believe that

(48:12):
they would exploit, as he says, handicapped people differently other
people for their enjoyment. That it's like just for our amusement. Yeah,
you're an asshole. Now the Denver Athletics Club, Jimmy is
doing weights, but he's stuck on seven reps. He can't
get through it, and he think he's in trouble because there's
a lot of stiff competitions, competition, he's poop though, he's pooped.
He's going to go to the chaining room, and Francis

(48:32):
wishes him luck. But then he sees Nathan.

Speaker 3 (48:35):
Hey, Jenny, Oh hey Nathan, So I see your heart.

Speaker 1 (48:41):
Yeah, it's sureous tests. I'm training really hard, but I'm
not improving fast enough. And the special Olympics are a
week a week.

Speaker 3 (48:47):
Maybe I can help you out. You know, they are
short cuts with kind of child kids, you know, steroids
but aren't illegal. Yeah, sure, but these are new They
don't show up in a urine teste.

Speaker 1 (49:05):
So how do they work?

Speaker 3 (49:07):
You just take one of these little blue babies three
times a day and inject this directly into your blood
stream twice a day before me.

Speaker 2 (49:18):
How much would this cost me?

Speaker 3 (49:20):
It isn't cheap. I've got to keep vice off my
back and secure shipments from overseas.

Speaker 2 (49:28):
Well.

Speaker 1 (49:29):
Maybe I'll just use them a little bit, you know,
at the performance.

Speaker 3 (49:32):
And painted whatever you say, Jimmy, my friend, whatever you say.

Speaker 2 (49:39):
It's just the voice matches it so perfectly, doesn't it.
That's right, little bum bag? Such great character design. Yeah,
so good. He says, all these drugs that won't shop
with the youin test and everything, so you're gonna feel
sorry for Jimmyjimmy, I feel like we're inter this with
the best of intentions. I'll just try to try to
how many it's just a quick shot, not you, You're perfect?

(50:04):
What's that great line?

Speaker 4 (50:05):
And arrested development they're talking about David Cross and portion
of Rossi's character. They're married, that they're unhappy, but they're
like thinking about flirting with an open marriage. David Cross
says it never works, but.

Speaker 2 (50:17):
In our case it might. I mean everyone has thought it.

Speaker 4 (50:21):
Somethings like justification. Yeah, I'm gonna try this. That is
indisputably bad for me. But I'll only try a little
audience just for this for.

Speaker 2 (50:33):
One time, own London by. It won't hurt me exactly right.

Speaker 4 (50:38):
Again, it goes back to what I was saying, is
like it's it's funny because it's true, and it's funny
because yeah, you recognize yourself in this kind of thing.

Speaker 2 (50:46):
Yeah, maybe not in nat because like I won't go
to just performance A hand's exactly what it is. It's
in the name, buddy, but Cartman a rises to the
boys with his idea, because he says the winner of
this should be just one thousand dollars. So he's going
to pretend to be differently abled and then kick all
their asses and win. And the boys are just livid.
I can't believe. There's no way you can't do it.

(51:08):
He's every action here was very important to justify it.
Doing this episode in general, that's yeah. As I said,
you've got a front loaded You've got it. You can't
leave the lesson for the end. You'll have people turning
off halfway through and go, oh my god, this is yeah. Yeah,
didn't go see the ringer. I think they want to
be seen buying tickets to it. Correct. Yes, No, you've
got to set the moral bar pretty much immediately. Yeah.

Speaker 4 (51:31):
Yeah, and I think it's Kyle that's really really terrible, dude.

Speaker 2 (51:35):
Yeah, we're gonna do a great, big, no good, double
face poopy pants tattletale. Let's not forget these are actual children. Yeah. Again,
he tries to throw it back to Kyle, is that
you solve all your problems car grow up man? And
then we get the montage that we've discussed.

Speaker 4 (51:52):
Yeah, it's great that they're using the grow up man.
I mean, I've said many times I have. One of
my favorite bits is in all about Mormons. Everyone's like
a lot of growing up to Dude. When you hear that, Yeah,
when you hear that from someone you respect, it's kind
of like, oh, should I better take that on board?

Speaker 2 (52:07):
Yeah?

Speaker 5 (52:08):
I better's not to pay it. That's just oh, that's
that life lesson, that's good life. I better pull up
the metaphorical socks. Whereas you know, you hear it from
someone absolutely morally breaf, like this guy's like you just
again trying to use your satanic jiu jitsu. Want me
forget it?

Speaker 2 (52:25):
Yeah? No, good. But the montage as well, say he's
pulling the faces in the mirror, he's closed, don't fit
the shape, bits of his hair off. The analysis of
the h walk the disabled definitely able to walk. Did
he also like did he like nail stuff to the
boss basically just like wood to the bottom, shoes off? Yeah,
and he says, I want to be the specially bosh.

(52:46):
That's right. You got everything just right. He's got his
whole strategy bulls Jimmy, that jextas steroids and he was
about to it he' dad knocks at the door. Everybody
went on the heart. It was hilarious, right, oh yeah,
wetting It's all right if you were, But it's Nancy.
She's arrived to study to study for the spelling Jimmy

(53:09):
having a girlfriend? You got a girlfriend here? Yeah, we've
been going there for a week. There. I love what
you say. You said it could be not necessarily, well,
it can be a dick, but this is just like
he can be short with your dad. So I was like,
you just don't get it. It's just a kid. You're
not listening to me, Jeremy, were you masturbating? No? Did? Okay?

(53:33):
Well you have a visitor, hi, Jimmy. Oh hi Nancy.
I was hoping we could study for the spelling test tomorrow.

Speaker 1 (53:40):
Oh shoot, thing, good morning, all right.

Speaker 2 (53:42):
I didn't know you had a girlfriend, Jim. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (53:44):
Dad, we've been going out since we met in free
period last week.

Speaker 2 (53:47):
I'll leave you two alone. You sure you weren't masturbating, Jim, which, okay,
if you were, Jesus Christ, okay then, but the boys
are now playing basketball and Kapman arrives in full costume,
and Carl's just like, cannot do this, And I actually
know what. You can't do this because you need to
have a parent to sign you up. It's not actually
going to be allowed and can't was like, what, I

(54:07):
didn't say that that happened, So he says, they said
you never get your mom to a grade to something
so horrible. Cut to man, And as you were saying earlier,
this whole thing is I'm not special. That didn't work.
I'll use some money that didn't work either, and then
turn it on hers to the point where she can't
say no.

Speaker 1 (54:24):
All right, man, luck, here's the truth. God, this is
gonna be hard to say. I think, man, that I've
been hard on some of the handicaped kids at school
in the past. I've sometimes looked at people with disabilities
it's people God put here on earth through my amusement.
But now I'm starting to think if I could just
spend one day in their shoes, if I could just

(54:44):
see the challenges they face every.

Speaker 2 (54:46):
Day, maybe I wouldn't be so cold.

Speaker 1 (54:49):
I just want a chance to change, help me change.

Speaker 2 (54:55):
Oh, all right, sweetie, I'll take you tomorrow. We're now
in the chain rooms and Jimmy is talking up Timmy.
Jimmy is that's the thing I liked about it that
all the kids are very supportive of each other. Yes, yep.
And Jimmy is talking of Timmy. You're doing a great job.
Blah blah blah. He he me in my bag and
the steroids fall out, and it's just that awkward pause
and it's like no words being spoken. But you know

(55:17):
exactly what's like if you're Jimmy in that situation, You're like,
you don't say it. I know, leave me alone. I
know I shouldn't be doing this, but shut up. But
Timmy is so disappointed, isn't he? Oh god, yeah, don't
left to me in the complexity is of a sportsmanship.
But he's just hiding behind the excuse. So basically, just
I'm just trying to keep up. You know, it's not
my fault. It's a still Why should I not be

(55:39):
able to try and keep up everybody else? And what
are you gonna do now? Be a fucking knock and
show buttle to the coaches and Timmy just simply drops
the bottle leaves and that's more of a burn right,
rolls off, absolutely and angry. I'm just disappointed. That's the worst.
I'm just living in the real world now. The training field,
and Timmy is throwing the javelin really well, and Jimmy
is doing really well in long jump. Oh yeah, yeah,

(56:01):
just smashing it. Look future grain kind of. Yeah. Now
it's time for Cartman's sign up and Leanne's face, it's
just it's just gold the entire time. And what does
he have? Well, I just played this clip, right, you bet.
I'm not going to say the word. I'll leave that

(56:23):
to the black eyed peace.

Speaker 4 (56:26):
Well that that song was always called Let's get It Started.
It wasn't Dan yes, which it actually works better as
Let's get it started.

Speaker 2 (56:32):
Hello, I would like to sign my son up please? Yeah?
Oh great? What's his name? Eric Cartman? Cart Man?

Speaker 3 (56:45):
Okay?

Speaker 2 (56:46):
Age, he's nine?

Speaker 3 (56:48):
Okay?

Speaker 2 (56:48):
And what's his disability? He's retarded? No, I'm asking what
a specific condition is down syndrome cerebral palsy. Oh oh,
I'm not sure, sweetie.

Speaker 3 (57:03):
What is your condition?

Speaker 1 (57:05):
How should I know?

Speaker 2 (57:06):
I'm retired. I'll just leave that blank for now. I'll
just leave a blank for now. Then Timmy goes to
see Oh, Timmy first of all sees Jimmy and jetting
under the bleacher. So he goes to see mister Mackie's like,
I have to do something about this before my friend
seriously hurts himself. But mister Mackie just doesn't understand him.
Weird ain't going to take it? Is it is? We've

(57:27):
gone three scenes of everybody understanding him, but now apparently
adults can't or something. Who knows? Is it adults or
is it just Mackie? Maybe? Yeah. The cartman is now
writing how I Will spend my one thousand dollars, and
it's where Kyle comes and tries to plead with him,
you can't do this. It's so horribly offensive. I don't
know how to even explain how offended I am. You

(57:48):
said you're going to hell, but I just love it.
Before they come and put the book away, go ahead, Kyle,
and all he is tell me all you need to hear,
and he says you will go to hell. So it's
his judy as his friend to put a stop to
it and come toppreciates his opinion, but he has a
you have a what view on morality because you're Jewish?
So he brings up the passion to Christ again the
plant of Seeds, because the next episode is the passion
of the jew. It is is Platinum Seeds?

Speaker 4 (58:10):
Does he I forgotten if he refers to it when
he's speaking with Kyle. Here is mel Gibson's movie The Passion?

Speaker 2 (58:15):
Yeah, yeah, he.

Speaker 4 (58:16):
Always, but he always calls it mel Gibson's movie The
Passion Mel Gibson. I'm trying to remember if he does,
because I thought that was one of the funniest things
in the last episode. I've seen Mel gibson movie The Passion,
and given then he's got the Brave Heart poster on
the wall as well. He really, he's got the Brave
Heart poster on the wall, so you know he's clearly
found a kindred spirit.

Speaker 2 (58:36):
Yeah, hells reserved for Jews, as he puts it here. Yeah,
this is actually worried about him, and Kyle sort of
walks off, going, just happened to gymnastical, See what's going
on here? Jimmy is now doing weights in his room.
Nice pecks. Let's be basic. I'm glad whenever it's like
work out the gym and stuff like looking in the mirror.
That's why I can't go to a gym seeing guys
flecking in the mirror. It's just like I just I

(58:58):
can't do it. I can't do it. I can't see
you can't look at him, or you can't be the
guy who I can't be either. I just look at it.
Guys doing it. I'm like your dickhead. I take her
to be Patty's uf, just like say, bestter ship for
at home. Yeah, you don't do it. He HiT's weed man,
making me feel strange. Yeah, it's not good at all.
But Nancy was waiting for him at the doughnut shot.
I didn't I didn't know. It was a waste of time. Jimmy,

(59:18):
everyone's worried about you.

Speaker 3 (59:20):
You seem different, zar just jealous.

Speaker 2 (59:23):
You're not the boy I fell in love with last
week during free period. I'm leaving you. You're not leaving me.

Speaker 1 (59:30):
You try to leave me and I'll kill you, bitch.

Speaker 2 (59:31):
You can't treat people like this.

Speaker 1 (59:34):
I should you.

Speaker 2 (59:37):
Why did you make me do it? You're not needing anybody.

Speaker 1 (59:42):
You just didn't got shut it, ud, give me what stuff? Jimmy,
Oh my god, stay away from me, you stupid bidget.

Speaker 2 (59:54):
Yeah, god, it just gets dark man. Oh yeah, as
I've already covered. He beats up his mum as well,
run to the hallway and cries, and I get that bit.
They're supposed to be funny because it's just so ridiculous,
but the beating up bit made me feel made me

(01:00:14):
feel pretty awkward. That's the design. But now at the
Special Olympics, Cartman and Jimmy think they're both gonna win this,
we're gonna smash this, and it's time for the first race.
Cartman arrives but comes last because it's the Special, it's
the Olympic. They're actually athletes still, yes, So now then

(01:00:35):
he comes last and swimming Jimmy breaks the record for weightlifting.
Cartman comes last and hurdles. Jimmy wins the swimming whilst
Timmy's just sitting back being really angry about it, and
Cartman snaps the high jump pole whatever it's called, loses
javelin and Jimmy Jimmy's just smashing records left front and center,
isn't he? And the thing of it is, yeah, it's
I guess kind of obvious.

Speaker 4 (01:00:52):
But everything that's happened in Cartmen is what you would
expect from a ham fisted comedy focusing on this idea
would do yeah, oh this differently ample person thinks they can,
you know, do the pole volt boing yea, yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:01:07):
Not only was he despicable for trying to do it,
but he's also dumb enough to think he could beat them.

Speaker 4 (01:01:12):
Yeah yeah, well well played background.

Speaker 2 (01:01:16):
But at the end of the day, and they're handing
at the award for the Ultimate Grand Special Champion of
two thousand and four, and Mark McGuire, Jason Giami, and
Barry bonds or to hand out the award because they're
the three that are no Vertecis steroids and Jimmy wins
just fuck yeah. They're also gonna be handing out a
Spirit Award for who came in last, and it's card,
but he doesn't want to take it until he finds

(01:01:37):
out it is a fifty dollars gift card for Shaky's. Yes,
well you head for winning the Spirit Award.

Speaker 5 (01:01:43):
Air worill receive this gift certificate to Shaky's for fifty dollars.

Speaker 2 (01:01:47):
Come on, Burt, Yeah, yeah, it's terrible right, oh, just
thab But then Jimmy sees me calls him out for
It's like, what is this? He calls him a cheetah,
and all of a sudden, Timmy devines and points. Jimmy

(01:02:08):
points a Jimmy Jimmy, and Jimmy's like, oh shit, I
am the cheated too, and we all learn something today.

Speaker 4 (01:02:15):
Jimmy being all riled up with the Cartman's there. I mean,
it's it's actually great storytelling a lot of ways because
it's incredibly hypocritical of course, of course, but it's also
playing into that shouldn't a bit worried for Cartman because
Jimmy is all royded up, all angry, is going to
take offense, really big offense at just about anything.

Speaker 2 (01:02:32):
What's he going to do? I actually think about that. Yeah,
so they've done some good character work, I think. So
he explains it's like pretending because it takes defense.

Speaker 4 (01:02:40):
It's taking steroids is just like pretending to be handicapped at.

Speaker 2 (01:02:43):
The special limp. Yeah, because it takes the fanness out
of the game. If it takes steroids, you're not a winner.
You're just a pussysy, doesn't he And he cuts to
the three MLB players smiling as he's explaining all this.
So basically it's their way of Trey and Parker, Trey
and Matt saying, you guys cheatah when we use the
term pussy looking at you guys. Yes, So the close
of the award, because he says, it's not it's not real,

(01:03:04):
and you'll come back next year to compete with I
love it. What can I say? One? Nancy's got broken
bones and broken pale. But Cartman tries to pretend that
he knew Tommy was on the stiroid's all along. I
was just trying to teach him a lesson. And they're
not buying it at all, are they? And he says,
screw you guys, and I'm leaving.

Speaker 4 (01:03:22):
He said up grub again as well. Yeah, that's his
latest tactic, which yeah, fails.

Speaker 2 (01:03:28):
Fails to work. If you're going to do this story,
I don't think they could have done it any better, right,
Oh yeah yeah. As I said, this is just a minefield,
a potential minefield, and they very cleverly just dodged everything.
For people who don't like south Park, they just hear,
oh Can'tman pretends to be to say what so he
can get to the Special Olympics. It's like, that's why
I don't watch south Park. That's the thing. You'd see
the log line in TV guide or TV com and

(01:03:51):
pretends to be mentally challenged. Nope, you're just you're just
not you're no boubt exactly.

Speaker 4 (01:04:00):
But yeah, then you watch the you watch the end
episode and it's like, hey, as i'd like to say,
we had fun and we learned a little something too.

Speaker 2 (01:04:07):
He shouldn't have done it because it was the wrong
thing to do and be because he's not an athlete.
We'll get because. But I think it was very important
to show him losing. If you had one races and stuff,
it would have been really Oh that was never on
my car. No, you could never do that. No, no, no,
not at all. But I think in the Ringer, maybe
he does win, Okay, but I'm assuming that he learns

(01:04:29):
a lesson. We all learn something today, Yes, you better
learn something. Yeah. Overall, yeah, this is one of the
most iconic episodes. That think we can throw it out and
this is one of the most iconic episodes, right, I'd
say so certainly of this season. I think everyone remembers
Carton pretending to get to the special listeas I think
so it's just so despicable. It's so memorable.

Speaker 4 (01:04:47):
And if you, if you're like me, you just remember
the introduction of Nathan, I'm like, oh god, I hope.

Speaker 2 (01:04:51):
We get more of that guy. Boy do we? And
boy do we? That's great. Next week I Going Down
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