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Speaker 1 (00:23):
Andy Anderson my guest for the evening. You know exactly
where you can find her at Andy five. Make sure
you support creators who come on the show. Andy, thank
you so much for coming on with me tonight.
Speaker 2 (00:34):
Thanks for having me.
Speaker 1 (00:36):
So right off the bat, let's do the boring hack interview.
Oh you've heard this a million times question? How did
you cross over from vanilla life into whatever form of
the adult entertainment industry? Maybe some sexual stuff outside of
normal life, Like when did you first make that switch
(00:57):
in your life?
Speaker 3 (00:58):
If you will h.
Speaker 4 (01:01):
So, my husband and I have always been very open
with our not I wouldn't say open, I guess open
minded with our sexuality.
Speaker 2 (01:14):
It was a conversation we had.
Speaker 4 (01:15):
From the beginning, and so we kind of started there.
I was always bisexual and it was actually a conversation
that I had with him on our first date, like, look,
I'm bisexual. It's something I have to have. It's it's
not just a desire, it's a need. So I need
you to be on board with it. And if you're not,
like you should probably take.
Speaker 2 (01:36):
A hike now.
Speaker 1 (01:38):
So, so there was no because the story you always
hear sometimes is the guy really pushing like you know
what if we had a threesome, you know, hey, that'd
be interesting. That wasn't the case in your situation. You
were the one that presented right up front, like, hey,
one on one for the rest of our lives, probably
ain't gonna cut it, because I need some women in
here too.
Speaker 4 (01:56):
Yeah. Yeah, So I actually told him on that date too,
like because I was I was.
Speaker 2 (02:03):
Thirty years old at that point, and I was.
Speaker 4 (02:07):
Coming to the realization that I needed to be non
monogamous because I was hurting people and you know, I
would get into these relationships and they'd be great and
then I'd get bored. And I know I'm not the
only person guilty of that, Okay, So so in that exploration,
(02:29):
you know, some people got hurt and I feel really
terrible about it still, but it was a journey and
I started realizing, Okay, I don't think I can be
in a relationship where I am monogamous.
Speaker 2 (02:44):
That doesn't work for me.
Speaker 4 (02:46):
But then I was like, oh my god, I'm never
going to find a person that's like down with that.
Speaker 2 (02:50):
So I had been single for about a year.
Speaker 4 (02:56):
And met my husband, and yeah, we chatted for a
long time because we didn't live in the same state.
So we chatted for a long time after we had initially.
Speaker 2 (03:10):
Met, and.
Speaker 4 (03:14):
Finally when we went on the first date, we were
having such a great time, and I was like, look,
this date's going amazing. But there's some things you got
to know, like I need women. I have to have that.
You need to be okay with that. And honestly, I
think I'm moving.
Speaker 2 (03:34):
Into non monogamy.
Speaker 4 (03:36):
I don't know what that looks like for me because
I've never ventured that with another person.
Speaker 2 (03:41):
So if you're open to something like that in the future,
it doesn't need to be now, but maybe later. And
he was like, okay, yes.
Speaker 4 (03:49):
So from then on we started going to sex clubs
occasionally and kind of dipping our toe in there, and
finally it got to a point where we were just
very comfortable sexually with other people together. Played separately at
this point in time and twenty nineteen, I had a
(04:12):
girlfriend who was making like insane amounts of money on
Snapchat Wow as a snap Premium.
Speaker 2 (04:19):
Model, and I was like, Oh, let me try it.
Speaker 4 (04:22):
It's like, I'm sure I could make a little you
know that was an extra dollars a month or something
like that, and that first year, I was making insane,
insane amounts of money as a Snapchat model. So then
it got into oh twenty happen, and when COVID happened,
you know, we were all out of a job, sure,
(04:44):
most of us, so that included myself, and I thought,
let me try my hand at camming, like, let me,
let me try this. We were not hard, but just
wanted something else to do. And my husband was kind
of into it. He was like, oh, this is hot,
Like I'm down to Yeah, I'm done to watch this.
(05:05):
So I started camming, and at first I wasn't doing
very good because you have to build your clientele. Yeah,
like you know, the first month is discouraging when you're
a new when you're a new webcam model, because and
you have no following anywhere else, because you have to
(05:25):
sit there for free for hours, and you have to
show people your personality and your body and all of
these things. And then you build up a clientele and
then they come in and start tipping you. So my husband,
come to find out years later, I didn't know this.
Speaker 2 (05:40):
My I'd be upstairs.
Speaker 4 (05:41):
Camming, my husband would be downstairs watching me, and there
would be this whale that would come into the room,
and he would spend Googles the fucking money to start
getting the room going, and it would work every time,
come and out.
Speaker 3 (05:58):
That was my husband. That's that's love.
Speaker 1 (06:03):
By the way, if you're listening, if you're listening out there,
go into your wife's bugging either premium Snapchat or her
cameraom and start tipping it. Hey, why aren't more people
tipping in here? Start commenting that. That is so funny.
Speaker 3 (06:19):
That's like.
Speaker 1 (06:20):
That's like if I went on Reddit and I was like,
by the way, have you heard this new podcast? It's
pretty interesting. But then other people are like, yo, okay,
I'll give it a listen. They don't do that for me.
They just go like, hey, fuck this guy, get.
Speaker 3 (06:33):
Them out of here. So that is so oh, that's
so funny. And it worked. That worked.
Speaker 4 (06:39):
It worked, so he would come in and spend all
this money, and then people started just catching on and
spending money, and so within three months, I was a
top model on Chatterbabe. Then of course my fans were
pressing and pressing for an OnlyFans and.
Speaker 1 (06:57):
I'll can I say that you can say what you pay?
I'm so sorry, Yeah, you're totally fine. You were one
hundred percent fine.
Speaker 2 (07:05):
To say it okay.
Speaker 4 (07:06):
So they were like, you need an OnlyFans and I
was like, oh no, I share enough of my sexuality
with you guys.
Speaker 2 (07:13):
I don't think I don't think so no.
Speaker 4 (07:16):
Well then my husband of course, is like, maybe you
should try that, like it might be another you know,
revenue stream. And I was like, I have no idea
what I'm doing, Like I don't know how to film
a video, edit a video. I don't know any of
that stuff. And he's like, well you'd learn real fast.
I'm like, well, you're right, So I started an only fan.
(07:37):
After that, it was pretty much all over with. Like
I started the only fans, the only fans took off
and started generating that that year of twenty twenty and
twenty twenty one was insanity.
Speaker 3 (07:53):
What was the term you used earlier?
Speaker 5 (07:54):
Goog gobs googlebucking money? So can I ask you this though?
Let me let me ask you on your mindset there.
You seemed like, and I don't mean any offense by this,
a girl who's ready to go. Ever since you met
the husband, right, You're like, hey, but but then, why
the why the hesitation.
Speaker 1 (08:12):
On the only fans? Like what I just again, no
no judgment whatsoever. But I think that's so interesting where
you're like, I'll go this far, not quite there.
Speaker 4 (08:21):
Yet, because in my brain there was a there was
a oh my god, that's porn. Okay, well I can't.
I'm I'm not putting porn out into I'm doing solo
work here and that's it. And so I also thought, well,
my sex life, do I really want to open that
(08:42):
up for the world, Like, you know, do you really
want to open that up for the Internet, which is
the whole world forever?
Speaker 2 (08:52):
And so that was kind of you know.
Speaker 4 (08:55):
Like I I have three degrees, I'm I I'm highly educated.
I you know, thought what if I want to do
more with those degrees?
Speaker 2 (09:08):
What if I you know, And so I wasn't sure
about it. There.
Speaker 4 (09:12):
There was just a lot going on there that I
was like, I don't know. And so finally, with the
encouragement of my partner, it was like, well, if you're
good with it, like okay, like, you know, I know
if my family were to find out, because you know,
(09:34):
at that point, I was like, well, I know, if
my family finds out, like they're just gonna be like, okay,
not surprised.
Speaker 2 (09:40):
You okay.
Speaker 4 (09:42):
Yeah, So I wasn't really concerned about it. After he
gave me the green light, after he was encouraging it,
I was like, okay, so we ran with it.
Speaker 2 (09:57):
I ran with it.
Speaker 4 (09:58):
He wasn't really he's not really involved in my stuff
at all, and so, and not not that he wouldn't be,
it's just that he has a more professional position. So
it's like, you handle that, I'll do this, and we
(10:18):
have a pretty good thing here.
Speaker 2 (10:21):
You know, it works.
Speaker 4 (10:22):
So yeah, So I was a content creator after that
and was hesitant to get into mainstream porn, also because
I feel like I didn't I didn't need it for
a long time, and also the stigma that is attached
(10:44):
to mainstream porn even like I don't know if you
ever read Jena Jenna Jamison's book, but I read that shit.
Speaker 1 (10:51):
Yeah I did not read it, but I can imagine
it may have seemed rough.
Speaker 4 (10:59):
I encourage everyone to read it because it it gives
you a little bit of history in the porn the
professional porn realm.
Speaker 2 (11:12):
But and it was real, you know, the ship that
she was going through was real.
Speaker 4 (11:17):
And so I read that when she put it out,
and I think it was like I think maybe she
put that out in like two thousand and eight, So
that always stuck with me that, you know, I don't
think they're doing people real right on the on these
porn sets.
Speaker 1 (11:33):
But going I mean, having experienced somewhat slightly the industry
camming later on and then maybe talking to people, interacting
with people this and that, did you notice that the
industry has shifted somewhat a little more pro woman or
maybe I'm wrong?
Speaker 3 (11:49):
Correct me if I'm wrong.
Speaker 4 (11:50):
You know you are absolutely not wrong. You were absolutely right.
Speaker 2 (11:53):
So the you know, I was just I was just
telling you why I was terrified for.
Speaker 4 (11:59):
It, sure and hesitant because now I kick myself like
I should have done this years ago.
Speaker 2 (12:07):
I should have fucking done this years ago.
Speaker 3 (12:10):
So let me ask you a question quick. What were
your three degrees?
Speaker 4 (12:13):
If I can ask that, Yeah, I have a bachelor's
in biology, I have a bachelor's in business, and then
I have a minor in psychology.
Speaker 1 (12:24):
Well, the psychology and the business work. The biology is
kind of the most directly related. But every time I
talk to girls, I also do a separate show where
I interview new girls who are coming up or just
trying to start in the industry and this and that,
And I always tell them like, if you're going to
go to school and you want to do this, but
you still want to go to school, get a marketing degree,
go into business yeah sometimes yeah, market or take a
(12:47):
minor in like video editing or production or something like that. Like,
if you really want to make this a career, It's
so funny to me how much of your guys work
is not actually fucking.
Speaker 3 (13:00):
It's all the other shit, isn't it.
Speaker 2 (13:02):
Yeah, yeah, it's that.
Speaker 4 (13:04):
That's the thing, So that that's actually it's funny you
bring that up, because that is why I ended up
going into mainstream porn, because I had kind of hit
a cap for myself as to what I could do
for myself marketing wise. I felt like I hit a
cap at the end of twenty twenty three, and I
was like, okay, like I'm doing good. I'm still doing good,
(13:28):
but I want to do more. I want to be
one of these million dollar girls. And so I decided, okay, well,
like I had browsers knocking out my door, and so
I went ahead and took the call with browsers and
decided to start shooting. And I shot a couple of
scenes with browsers. It was fantastic, and so I was like, okay.
(13:53):
So at the beginning of last year, when ABN kicked
off in twenty twenty four, I went and I went
with plan.
Speaker 2 (14:01):
I went.
Speaker 4 (14:03):
Thinking, Okay, I'm going to get a manager, I'm going
to find a fucking agent, I'm going to get an assistant.
I'm going to get all of these things that I
need and catapult this into another atmosphere.
Speaker 2 (14:16):
And that's precisely what I did.
Speaker 4 (14:17):
In two weeks later, I was shooting pro porn in Florida.
Like the producer, this director was like, okay, yeah, I
have ten scenes for you. I'm like okay, yeah, okay, yes,
I'll take it.
Speaker 1 (14:35):
You've also worked with, though some pretty incredible, it's I
don't know how to I've yet to figure out the
best way to articulate this. So the mainstream performers, there's
also more of your independent performers. And it used to
be felt like a tear system, a little bit like
you're indies, and then this it seems like it's almost
(14:57):
leveling out as different kinds.
Speaker 3 (14:59):
Yeah, yeah, it really.
Speaker 2 (15:00):
Is, where she's kind of like this, actually.
Speaker 1 (15:03):
Yeah, you know, You've worked with someone who I think
is like the best example of that, subgirl. I don't
know her name. I don't know that anyone knows her name.
Maybe they do, maybe.
Speaker 4 (15:14):
It's one well sure you know, yeah, yeah, yes, I assume,
oh subgirl.
Speaker 3 (15:20):
Yeah, you're not just falling that.
Speaker 4 (15:21):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (15:22):
But it's amazing to me how much indie performers can
still stay out of the mainstream and I mean build
a full business, right yeah, Oh.
Speaker 4 (15:32):
My god, yeah, I think for I've worked with so
many people like that, She's one of them, and I
briefly worked with her. I did not work with her
a whole lot, but I did work with her a
little bit on the Hot Wife tour. But oh man,
if she's ever a web or a person that is
top chier that does this indie performance and stays out
(15:54):
of mainstream for the most part, she's one hundred percent
that person, I think. Uh, I want to I want
to say, also Max and Hailey Rose, like Phil's and Haley,
they kind of did independent, very very indie and look
(16:14):
at the two of them now, like, yeah, but they
have since moved into pro porn.
Speaker 1 (16:20):
Like it's funny you say that though, because I only
associate Haley I know Haley or not personally like, oh,
I know her, she's a friend of mine. I know
of Haley Rose, and I only associate her with just
having a huge like Twitter presence, like her shit always
shows up at the top of my thing and whatever.
So it's amazing that they've built this, do you, But
(16:41):
you say you do like shooting mainstream scenes still right?
Speaker 4 (16:43):
Oh?
Speaker 2 (16:43):
I love them.
Speaker 4 (16:45):
I and And you asked me a question earlier and
I didn't really dive into it.
Speaker 2 (16:50):
You asked me if.
Speaker 4 (16:53):
If pro porn has since changed in giving the performers
more more rights than what they have, And I do
want to, I do wanna that because yes, absolutely, it was.
Speaker 2 (17:07):
Nothing like I thought it would be. It was nothing.
Speaker 4 (17:11):
What it was when once upon a time. Maybe it
is not that now. And I think, I honestly think
too that the platform of only Fans, I have a
love hate relationship with that platform, as I know many
of my name my colleagues do too. But it changed
(17:32):
things for people I porn like, it changed the pro
porn realm to give them to give performers just more.
Speaker 1 (17:45):
Agency. Is that the word? I don't know what that means?
Speaker 2 (17:48):
Yes, like it gave them more.
Speaker 1 (17:52):
Power, right, you more more decision making ability. Now you
you can take that big brawser. But you know what,
money wise, you don't really need it so much as
much as you would have ten years ago. Something like that, right, right,
So let me I'm sorry, continue, go ahead.
Speaker 4 (18:11):
No, so I have I mean, I love the way
they treat me on these sets. I love the people
I work with on them. I've never had a bad,
bad day, bad situation, and so and I've been on
I don't know how many. I think I shot sixty
(18:33):
five scenes last year. So so I've never had a
bad anything, well anything.
Speaker 1 (18:42):
Now that you mentioned numbers, we're going to do something
to do on the show called stat check.
Speaker 3 (18:45):
Okay.
Speaker 1 (18:46):
I'm going to start out by saying these numbers are
entirely wrong. They're not right. I say this to every
woman I interview. They go okay, and then at the
end of it, when I say the numbers, they go, oh,
that's totally wrong.
Speaker 3 (18:58):
Yes, we're all we know, we know.
Speaker 2 (19:00):
So we're gonna fitball in here.
Speaker 1 (19:02):
So I'm basing this off the Internet Adult Film Database,
which is almost like IMDb, the Internet Movie Database, and
it kind of tracks most of your main or all
of your mainstream stuff, a lot of the mini bids
or this and that other things. So when I say
this numbers, these numbers here, they're gonna be wrong because
you just said something that blows it out of the water. Anyway,
(19:22):
So number of okay, but we use this as a milestone.
So when I have you on a year from now
and you have fifty AVN awards and you're like this
queen and blah blah blah blah blah, even more of
a queen, I apologize. We can look back and go, oh,
remember when on your record you only had blank blank blank.
So number of scenes I have is forty eight. That's
(19:44):
why I know the numbers are wrong. You just said
sixty five.
Speaker 3 (19:46):
I get it.
Speaker 1 (19:47):
Number of scenes is forty eight. Number of guys you've
worked with is fifty one. Number of girls you've worked
with is twenty four. According to this, no AVN nominations yet,
and no AVN wins. Now's your turn to tell me
those numbers are totally wrong. Those numbers are wrong, Okay.
Speaker 4 (20:04):
I think actually the one that might actually be correct
is the number of women I've worked with. Well, I
don't know. So are these pro scenes that they're talking
about that women in pros.
Speaker 1 (20:18):
This is probably like it's a website that's been around
for twenty years, but it's probably built by a guy
like in a basement in Thailand, like putting it together.
So don't don't sweat it. I wouldn't be like they
don't have credit. No, they don't have credit for a
bunch of years.
Speaker 4 (20:31):
I think it's probably less actually in the women that
I've worked with in the pro world.
Speaker 2 (20:39):
And then yeah, I have.
Speaker 4 (20:40):
Definitely it's more men and it's more scenes for sure.
Speaker 3 (20:43):
Yeah, for sure.
Speaker 4 (20:44):
But no no avn noums yet and no no awards.
Speaker 2 (20:51):
Yeah, we're working on We're gonna fucking get there.
Speaker 3 (20:54):
Does that mean a lot to you or no? An award?
Speaker 4 (20:59):
No, it doesn't. It just kind of validates you, I think,
you know. So, while I don't feel like I know
what I'm putting out and I'm happy with it and
it's gaining dry and I'm fine with that. But of
(21:20):
course it's always nice to be told, dude, you took
that dick soak, you were the best one. You took
that dick the best I don't hear that.
Speaker 1 (21:29):
Yeah, congratulations, congratulations you took that dick so much better
than all the other ladies who took dick this year.
Speaker 4 (21:41):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (21:42):
You said something before that I wanted to touch on. You
said love hate relationship with OnlyFans. Now you are not
I understand none of the independent channels. You've already gone
through again and again, how much they've given women in
this industry, the independent channels not just only fans fansly
many bids, blah blah. It's great to have your own outlet,
(22:03):
to be able to publish things, yes, but the love
hate what is the hate part? What can these things
do to be more friendly towards women, because they're already
doing a great job of giving you the ability, But
now how can they take some of the chains off?
What is something that really bothers you about them?
Speaker 2 (22:23):
I wouldn't say.
Speaker 4 (22:24):
I wouldn't say women, I'd say create, I'd say fair
creators in general. I have I've seen the blue and whiteside.
I don't want to say it out logs. I don't
want them to come for me.
Speaker 3 (22:40):
That's that's why I was trying to disperse it. Independent
channel I've seen.
Speaker 4 (22:46):
In particular, just do creator so dirty? Like I mean,
kick them off? For things that are not clear in
the tos or there was like there was one person
in particular who had their only who.
Speaker 3 (23:03):
Had their their their channel some.
Speaker 4 (23:06):
Income suspended and it was because you know, we're allowed
to our Twitter in the bio and they were linking
their Twitter, which their Twitter had some stuff on it
that that mentioned, uh, high end escorting.
Speaker 2 (23:27):
Am I allowed to.
Speaker 3 (23:28):
See that on it? Yeah? You said whatever you want. Yeah,
you're totally So.
Speaker 4 (23:33):
They had that on their on their Twitter and they
suspended their account because of that. Now, how is that
breaking the toos? They're talking about that on the site
on on Why is it a problem when your bots
(23:57):
can go in and read the freaking twitter and see
what's on the twitter, that's a problem.
Speaker 1 (24:02):
That's how I got my strike on YouTube. I did
not tell anyone to go anywhere. I said, you may
know my next guest Andy Anderson from blank blank blank
dot com. And they took the transcript and put a
link to it, and then they went, oh, you're linking pornography.
(24:25):
You get a strike now. So that is why I
am dancing around telling people to check you out at
the site. We all know what it is at and
D five A and d E five. Make sure you
check her out. You know, I understand one aspect of it.
They they don't want that on their site because there's
(24:48):
legal ramifications blah blah blah blah whatever. I get that,
But the linking thing, you're right, they need to be
more clear about that. I don't know if I'm allowed
to put a Twitter account in uh the YouTube bio,
because I don't know if when they go to Andy
Anderson's Twitter, giant beautiful breasts are going to be there
(25:09):
or something.
Speaker 2 (25:09):
Like that, They're gonna see my butt hole.
Speaker 1 (25:15):
And lucky for everyone who clicks that, let me, let
me dive into some of the content. And so, yeah,
if you could only shoot one niche the rest of
your career, say, you are getting pigeonholed, but it's going
to equate to tons of money. Most girls go, I
like shooting everything, and I totally respect that. I understand.
(25:36):
But if there was one thing that you are just
in love with doing, shooting whatever type of niche or
kink or whatever it is, what is something you would
want to dive into forever if you were forced to do.
Speaker 4 (25:48):
That, That's a good question, I would probably say, because.
Speaker 2 (25:59):
I don't know I would probably say the stepmommy stuff.
Speaker 4 (26:06):
I mean, the milf content is what I would probably
stick with.
Speaker 2 (26:12):
Just because.
Speaker 4 (26:14):
I have found that it's such a it's not it
is a niche, but it's not really because I think all.
Speaker 2 (26:24):
Men that were once younger.
Speaker 4 (26:28):
Grow up having this fetish about, you know, mils, about
these women that are a little bit older. They have
fake breasts, they whatever, they you know, are more experienced
than the girls their age, so on and so forth,
and then they actually get to that age where they're
(26:49):
the same age as the MILFs, and they're still into
the MILFs. Sure, so I feel like it's such a
broad age range that you're not having to hit. It's
not really a niche. It's a genre, I guess, yeah,
for sure. Really, Yeah, so that's what I would stick with,
I think because it's fun. It's fun the film, like.
Speaker 2 (27:13):
You know, and it's never gonna I'm never gonna age
out of it.
Speaker 1 (27:18):
Sure, well gonna hit you'll age into the guilf category eventually,
but I think you got to hit like seventy five
for that.
Speaker 4 (27:24):
Yeah, hopefully by then, I'm no longer hopeful by then,
my buttholes no longer fresh on the internet.
Speaker 3 (27:32):
You know, let's and.
Speaker 2 (27:36):
No hate, no hate to my guilfs. Dude, no noy
to my gilfs.
Speaker 1 (27:42):
But I'll tell you a quick, quick, quick story. I
interviewed someone the other day. I will not say who
it is. And if anyone's listening to this and they go, oh,
is it this episode he released, I will not release
that episode. Actually it's a shame I was. I was
having not a good time with her. She's actually kind
of a led in a specific niche. But whatever, I'm
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having a decent time talk. But the whole time she's
just complaining. She's like, I don't get booked anywhere. I
never get booked. And it's like, oh, your attitude's not great,
but it's I never get booked. I never get booked.
Speaker 3 (28:15):
D da da da da da da. Then it ends
and she's like, that was good. That was nice.
Speaker 1 (28:19):
She goes, I just never get booked anywhere. I'm like, okay,
I go, well, you used to direct a lot you
She complained the entire episode. Younger girls coming in the
industry just work for free. No one wants to booked
me because of the there's all these younger girls. So
in my head, I go, well, you used to direct
a lot of videos and a lot of scenes. And
going back to the times you were talking about the
Jenna Jamison times, why not try and bring along some
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of these younger people shoot the content, do this and that.
She flips on me. She starts yelling, no one wants
unsolicited advice. You need to shut up. Go ahead, just
give me more. And I just went, you know what,
fuck this, I'm out of here. Can I ask is
there anyone that has helped you ment or? It wouldn't
be this lady, by the way, Has anyone helped you mentor?
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And I won't give the name. I'll tell you after
if you want, but no one else? Has anyone helped
you like mentor? In this industry? Do you have anyone
that you've kind of looked up to? And so many
times I see women come on the independent circuit and
then mainstream and then there's someone they and it's not
a negative thing, but they're like, oh my god, this
person is like my oh, she's my jewels. She's so helpful,
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she works on scenes with me. Do you have anyone
like that? It's okay if you don't, so.
Speaker 4 (29:31):
I I'll tell you, honestly, someone that I can credit
to kind of mentoring me through this journey is Max Fill's.
Speaker 3 (29:43):
Wow.
Speaker 2 (29:43):
I know that's.
Speaker 4 (29:44):
Really an odd thing to say, but if I ever
needed any Max and I had great chemistry from jump,
not only as shoe shoe partners, but also just it's
really and so I can I can even now go
to Max and be like, hey, what's up with this?
Speaker 2 (30:04):
Or do you know about this?
Speaker 4 (30:05):
And he'll help me through it and so, and especially
in the pro realm, like he had anything I needed,
anything I could ask I I.
Speaker 2 (30:16):
Went to him with and he's helped me.
Speaker 4 (30:18):
There were a lot yeah yeah, so and then as
far as like I also, our social media goes too,
Like I didn't know. All I was doing was social
media either, no idea getting into this. And there was
someone that mentored me. Her name's Ona Artist and she.
Speaker 2 (30:40):
Was not.
Speaker 4 (30:42):
She's not a porn star. She blew up as an
Instagram girl. She was on she had her own website
for a long time and she was doing webcam on website.
Speaker 2 (30:54):
I was watching.
Speaker 4 (30:55):
Vice Viceland one night and she just happened to be
on this episode of slut Her. And this was back
in like I don't know twenty seventeen or something like this.
Speaker 2 (31:07):
I'm watching this.
Speaker 4 (31:09):
A couple years later, when I started getting into the
sex industry, I immediately remembered her, followed her, and she
was selling this course for how to become a large
Instagram model, and so I thought, I need to do
that because I have no idea what I'm and so
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I ended up buying the course.
Speaker 2 (31:34):
But then she ended up helping me through so much.
Speaker 4 (31:39):
And that also there was a lot of girls in there,
like all in there together, and we were able to learn.
Everybody kind of knew a little bit. They brought something
to the table. Everybody brought something to the table from
one thing or another. And early on I had learned
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the ropes on sex fanther how to work sex fanther
really well, and so that was kind of what I
brought to the table and was teaching people. And so
I learned a lot from her and from that group too.
Speaker 1 (32:13):
Everything I've heard, I'm going to specify the difference. Everything
I've heard about the back room of a strip club,
not the VIP room. The dancer room is just girls
going at each other's throats with razor blades, wanting to
fight Da da da, And then everything I've heard in
the porn industry is all of you women are somewhat
helpful to each other and willing to give advice or
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willing to do this and that and whatever. It's what
does that? Is there just enough business around? Do you
ever feel like, oh, I'm competing and you don't have
to say names. Do you ever feel like I'm competing
with this person, I'm whatever, or you just build yourself.
Speaker 2 (32:51):
Yeah, I do not feel like I'm competing. But I'm
not like that ever. I've never been like that. My
whole life felt like I was competing with anybody.
Speaker 4 (32:59):
And so I think I think that quality and mentality.
I am not fighting for my life here. I also
think because I was older getting into this, I'm not
there's not forty there's not forty thousand mills. There's a
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couple of us that can do the job.
Speaker 3 (33:22):
Well, sure, yeah, I'm not.
Speaker 4 (33:26):
We're not fighting for In fact, I'm I'm so excited
for this scene on Wednesday, La on Sunday, And sorry
if I got super loud.
Speaker 2 (33:40):
Did I blow your ear pods?
Speaker 1 (33:41):
No?
Speaker 3 (33:41):
No, no, no, You're totally good.
Speaker 4 (33:43):
No, You're I actually get to start alongside uh Cherie
Deville and Rachelle Ryan.
Speaker 1 (33:53):
So I mean that's yeah, Cherry Deville has become the
face of angry. Didn't she do the ads at the
beginning of when they were banning porn across the country.
I thought she was the face of porn hub that
was like, you need the ID check man. There was
probably a lot of dudes who looked at her and
were just like, I'll just beat.
Speaker 3 (34:14):
It to this. I don't give a fuck yet, Yeah.
Speaker 2 (34:17):
What are you selling? Okay? Yeah?
Speaker 4 (34:20):
Yeah, So I'm I've worked with Rashelle before for content uh,
and I was kind of starstruck then and so now
I'm just super excited to work with those two.
Speaker 2 (34:34):
I'm really excited.
Speaker 1 (34:35):
That's what I was going to ask you. Do you
get starstruck at all? It sounds like you do, but
like when what does it though? Is it someone that
you know is like a phenomenal performer. Is it someone
with a huge presence, Like what really gets you? Is
it someone that like I used to search her and
now and get to fuck her?
Speaker 4 (34:51):
So there are there is some of that element to
it where it's like, oh my god, I watched this
person ten years ago.
Speaker 2 (34:58):
But I think it's.
Speaker 4 (35:01):
It's where they're at in their career that I'm like,
I want to do, I want to be there. So
it's really it's really truly the people that have their
shit together on the end, that are doing so well
that I'm like, that's my ment, That's who I want
to be in my life, that's who I want to
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work besides. So, yeah, it's not so much huge presence
or anything like that. I've never I've never really cared
about that type of thing, not that that doesn't play
a part, of course, but it's the people that are
just fucking on it, that are killing it that that's
what I want to That's what I want to do,
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That's what I want to be. So so to be
able to work with two people that I know for
sure hit that is really super exciting.
Speaker 1 (35:53):
I asked you before a trend or thing you really like,
let me ask you this, what is a niche, a
trend to cank whatever. I used to call this game
sack and it was it stood for shit animals. Kids,
we're taking those out of the equation. Anytime I would
ask a girl this question, they would go, well, I
wouldn't you know do this with a kid.
Speaker 3 (36:12):
I'd be like, yeah.
Speaker 1 (36:13):
No, if you would, I wouldn't want to talk to
you anymore. What is something that's in the adult world
but you just don't really have any interest in pursuing
like a kink and a fetish or a genre, you
know what I mean?
Speaker 2 (36:26):
Yeah, yeah, race play.
Speaker 3 (36:28):
Okay, that's a great one.
Speaker 1 (36:30):
And I always when I asked that other question, a
lot of women just going nothing at all. I'll do
it all, I'll do anything. And that's my comeback. I go,
how about race play? And they go, oh, no, no, no,
not that, no.
Speaker 3 (36:40):
No no.
Speaker 2 (36:40):
In fact, it's real funny.
Speaker 4 (36:42):
And the reason this isn't my brain right now currently
is because I was working. I was doing video chats
at like six o'clock in the morning and I was
on sex Panther and I had the sky on a
video chat and he was wanted to do race play
and I'm like I She's like, no, it's fine, say it.
Speaker 2 (37:04):
I'm into it. And I was like, I'm not, Like, I'm.
Speaker 3 (37:06):
Not no sure.
Speaker 1 (37:09):
Like I've interviewed black performers before, female and male, and
I've gotten both answers. I've gotten from women. Avery Jane
is a phenomenal performer and she has told me, you know,
no chance, Like I'll fucking take your head off if
you even you know.
Speaker 3 (37:26):
And I get that.
Speaker 1 (37:27):
And I've talked to Anna Fox, Anna Fox, however you
say her damn name. She's a legend, right, I got
it wrong throughout the entire episode. By the way, when
I talk to her about it, and she's very vocal
about race relations and this and that online totally great.
But when I talked to her about it, she goes,
he has a performance, Like maybe she's changed since then,
and if fine, that's totally acceptable. But she's like, it's
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a performance at whatever. I've interviewed John Legendary, who's a
great performer, and he has told me, yo, I'm fucking
this girl.
Speaker 3 (37:55):
I don't give a shit what she says to me,
like if she wants to call me whatever.
Speaker 1 (38:00):
So it's always a weird line because like, for sure,
you're a performer, someone is paying you for the performance.
If it's a black gentleman and they want it, part
of me goes like, not that you should do it
at all, it's your comfort, But part of me is like,
is it okay because he wants it and it's part
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of the performance. I think that's for African American people
to determine for themselves. I don't think I should be
the one really pointing that out. I commend you for
not doing it, unless, of course, Lex Steel came around
and wanted it. Then I'd be like, and I know
I've seen you've worked with him before, but I would
be like if you were my wife and Lex Steel
came to you and was like, hey, Lex, some rays
(38:43):
play and you're like, I'm not comfortable, I'd go Andy, please,
he's a legend. Just call him whatever he wants.
Speaker 3 (38:49):
Please. But I understand and respect it.
Speaker 4 (38:52):
I just I you know, I feel like I've always
grown up with you know that that whole the word and.
Speaker 2 (39:05):
Everything is just it's base. It was.
Speaker 4 (39:07):
It was born in based hate. And I still feel
that way, you know. So so it's a word that
I just and I know it's like any other kink.
It's like, you know, you have you have the guys
that lost their jobs in two thousand and seven and
went from being an executive executive that was making a
(39:27):
million dollars a year to losing their jobs and they
lost everything. The pay pigk kink came from that. Really,
that's where it fucking came from I didn't think about it.
We didn't hear about pay pigs before that, did you know.
Speaker 1 (39:43):
That's a great point. I never considered that before. That
is really insightful.
Speaker 4 (39:48):
Yeah, it stems from people just leaning into things that
could have been a trauma. Was probably a trauma, and
this is this is I'm into this.
Speaker 2 (40:02):
So I get it. I understand it.
Speaker 4 (40:04):
But as a performer, uh, and I get I also
understand inside with what she was saying. As being a performer,
I get that, And I no hate to anybody that's
comfortable with that.
Speaker 1 (40:16):
I'm just not, you know, totally get it, totally get it.
Anything else that you wouldn't want to dive into any
other kind of niche genre, fetish, anything like that.
Speaker 4 (40:29):
I'm not into the little fetish, you know, like the
very it's they're called the littles, and is that when good?
It's really it's the girls that are super young. They're
like nineteen twenty and they're playing super.
Speaker 3 (40:49):
Young girls, right. Sure.
Speaker 4 (40:51):
So that's one thing that I want to avoid, especially
as a MILF, because they'll try and cast me with
stuff like that.
Speaker 2 (40:57):
I just I don't because then we're on.
Speaker 4 (40:59):
Average of like you know, it's distasteful to me.
Speaker 3 (41:06):
You so are you?
Speaker 1 (41:08):
You're comfortable with age play, You're not comfortable with it
being painted so low?
Speaker 2 (41:13):
Oh?
Speaker 4 (41:13):
Yeah, yeah, I'm comfortable with age play because I'm a
milf and I'm obviously you know milf stuff is with
cubs and all that.
Speaker 2 (41:24):
I'm always someone's step mom.
Speaker 3 (41:26):
But I'm always someone's step mom.
Speaker 2 (41:29):
I am.
Speaker 4 (41:30):
But when the girls are being casted as like eleven twelve, yeah,
that's crazy. No that I want to avoid that one too.
Speaker 1 (41:41):
Yeah, I think that's smart. That would fall into like
the SEC category for me. Sorry, I had a little
technical issue there. Just so we know, I'm speaking to
Andy Anderson at Andy five. You know where you can
find her links in the episode description. So let me
talk about the content moving forward. What you said the
scene you're doing Rachelle Ryan and Cherry Deville awesome. Do
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you have anything else you want to tackle on the horizon?
Have you have you shot a gang bang yet, like
a like a real you solo gang bang, like I'm pro,
like pro or just whatever?
Speaker 3 (42:14):
Can I find content of you gang bang?
Speaker 2 (42:16):
Back in September for content?
Speaker 4 (42:21):
And at the time, I was really proud of it
because it was something I hadn't done. Now looking back
on it, it was kind of a shit show. Not
because of the not because of the male talent. They
were all fucking awesome, amazing, and not because of me.
Speaker 2 (42:37):
It was just it was just not shot.
Speaker 4 (42:41):
Sure, great, So I want to go back to that
and kind of polish do another one, polish it up
a little.
Speaker 1 (42:50):
But yeah, are you shooting these or do you have
a guy you bring in to shoot for you?
Speaker 2 (42:55):
Yea, I know I have people shoot for me.
Speaker 3 (42:57):
Okay, okay, cool, cool? Cool?
Speaker 1 (42:58):
So what are you going to to try and tackle differently?
Is it just light and no offense? You know, I'm
sure it was, you know, it just confusion? But is
it lit wrong? Is it just angles?
Speaker 3 (43:08):
Not great?
Speaker 4 (43:10):
The audio was kind of a mess. Yeah, the angles
weren't great. There's also like it was a roaming camera
and when you're trying to I don't know, when you're
trying to film a gang bang, like you really it
has to be thought out a little more, really, And
(43:31):
I think I was just like, okay, free for all,
let's go, because I didn't you know, I'm like, I
don't know what I'm doing here to you guys.
Speaker 2 (43:39):
No, Okay, let's just I got two holes.
Speaker 4 (43:42):
Let's go three three, I can't agree, Oh, let's go.
You know it was a mess, so uh and my camera,
my camera guy did great. Like I said, you just
you have to go in with the plank of Okay, guys,
we're going to go here and we're going to do this,
(44:04):
and and the camera guy is gonna stay here, like
you just really have to think about that. And we
did not, and it's okay, Like still made us some
good money.
Speaker 1 (44:13):
Like again, we go back to I go back to
angry Twitter guy writing at you from some basement somewhere
going All she does is she just gets fucked on
camera and that's how she makes all her money. You
just described to me that a shot list has to
be designed for this entire thing. Do you know how
intensive that is? And plus, by the way, you're going
to be on your back the whole time, so how
(44:34):
are you you know? Yeah? It just uh, the respect
I have on a business level and a production level
for performers has only grown since I've talked to them,
because I, you know, incorrectly, I came into doing this
talking to beautiful women who have sex for a living
and go, oh, your life must be so great and
your life is great, but it's not as easy as
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it sounds.
Speaker 2 (44:56):
Listen.
Speaker 4 (44:57):
I I had corporate jobs. I worked for FEMA. I've
do for FEMA for years. The hardest job I've ever
had is this one. I do the most work being
foreign star than I've ever done work. You know, I
went to college. I was a stripper when I was
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in college. I was also a cheerleader, did not sleep.
And I work harder now than I thought it then,
So like, oh, no one will ever understand. They just think,
you know, oh we're terrible. People were just on our
back and that's not and it's not true. True, it's
(45:38):
not true. Yeah they're working at a weapons manufacturing plant.
Oh yeah yeah. If you don't have.
Speaker 2 (45:44):
Business sense, you will not make it in this industry.
Speaker 3 (45:48):
I've asked this before. Do you who do you?
Speaker 1 (45:50):
And it's just a great example of hard work in
this industry. Who do you think makes more money? A
ten out of ten with no social media sense? We're
a seven out of ten who knows how to work
the algorithm?
Speaker 2 (46:04):
Oh my god, the seven out of ten every time?
Speaker 3 (46:07):
Right out of ten.
Speaker 4 (46:08):
Yes, I have seen girls that are not the prettiest girls.
And these girls are out there making millions of dollars. Yeah,
and you know I mean going into that like people
can talk all the shit they want. Some of the
smartest people I've ever seen are in this industry.
Speaker 2 (46:31):
Let's go to ammer ant.
Speaker 4 (46:34):
Yeah, okay, so she doesn't she doesn't do she doesn't
shoot pro porn.
Speaker 2 (46:39):
She's not truly in the porn industry.
Speaker 4 (46:43):
I think she does solo work on her of Okay,
but still that is something sure, and look at what
she's done, like, look at the things that she continues
to do.
Speaker 2 (46:54):
She is incredibly intelligent.
Speaker 4 (46:56):
And yeah there is there's a whole team and there
of course we know, but she started that on her own.
Speaker 1 (47:05):
Like the team doesn't show up. They don't knock on
the door one day and go, oh andy, do you
want to be a superstar now?
Speaker 3 (47:11):
Or you have to build up to that team. Right, So.
Speaker 2 (47:17):
People can say what they want to say.
Speaker 4 (47:19):
But like I said, some of the most intelligent people
are in this industry.
Speaker 1 (47:23):
Sure, yeah, yeah, I definitely think so. Willman ask last
question here? Then I have a quick little social media
thing for you. But last question, what is the future?
Where do you see this going? Do you have a
dollar amount you want to get to? Do you have
a number of scenes? Do you have an age? Do
you see an endgame? Or you like I said earlier
(47:44):
going to be on the cover of Guilf Hunter sixty five,
like when do you want to get out?
Speaker 3 (47:50):
If you do want to get out, do you have
a metric?
Speaker 2 (47:54):
So I don't have an age that I want to
get out. I just.
Speaker 4 (48:02):
There is burnout at some point. There is, because it's
like I'll tell you. And I was talking to my
husband about this earlier today because he, oh, I make
really good money on sex at their menks. I make
really good money and it's video chatting and sexteen and
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he said, look, you need to work that into the ground.
Speaker 3 (48:29):
When you're home.
Speaker 2 (48:29):
You need to be working that. Because I had just
told him.
Speaker 4 (48:32):
I came downstairs and I told him how much money
I made on it, and he was like, oh, fuck,
Like you need to be working not as much as
you can in your home. And I'm like, look, but
here's the thing. Yes, you're right, I should, but I
I let's think about this when I'm home. I typically
i'm two weeks home, two weeks gone, and so in
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the two weeks that I'm home, I'm diddling myself on camera.
I have to shoot content scenes and then I also
have to have my own personal sex. So then you know,
like I'm gonna fly off to LA on Sunday and
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I'm shooting every day, sometimes twice a day while I'm gone.
Speaker 1 (49:25):
Like, yeah, it's you know, I could I could see
his point if you had a metric, if you guys
were like, once we get to ten million, we can
both retire and be out then. And also, by the way,
it's not his holes that he's telling you to, you know,
or he's not having to do it. It would probably
be a little bit different if he had this sex
(49:47):
with guys on that and no, nope, yeah go ahead.
Speaker 2 (49:50):
And I told him, like, you know, it's a little
bit different. I know guys could sit there.
Speaker 4 (49:54):
I know guys can sit there a mole for fucking
twenty hours a day. I was like, it's different. You're
not putting stuff inside your body, like, it's different. We
we burn out, you know. And so I don't necessarily
have a number or an age. I think it's just
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when I decide that oh shit, okay, I'm there is
going to be a point where X is getting to
be mundane and I never want that.
Speaker 2 (50:24):
And so when I start to feel.
Speaker 4 (50:25):
That, that's my that popping point, right.
Speaker 2 (50:30):
So what I plan to do prior to that.
Speaker 4 (50:34):
I think within the next probably two years, I'm going
to start on Twitch or on kick and start streaming,
and I, you know, like, I'm funny enough and I'm
creative enough to.
Speaker 2 (50:51):
To pull people in on that.
Speaker 4 (50:54):
So start doing that and kind of doing a little
bit of cosplay stuff and kind of move on segue
I think into that and into YouTube. So my husband
has always pushed for years and years and years because
I've managed my own OnlyFans for a long time, and
(51:15):
he's like, I think that you should manage some of
these girls. And I'm like, fuck that. Have you met
any of these girls?
Speaker 3 (51:28):
No, you know, it's so funny. I like that.
Speaker 1 (51:31):
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Speaker 2 (00:34):
Thanks for having me.
Speaker 1 (00:36):
So right off the bat, let's do the boring hack interview.
Oh you've heard this a million times question? How did
you cross over from vanilla life into whatever form of
the adult entertainment industry? Maybe some sexual stuff outside of
normal life, Like when did you first make that switch
(00:57):
in your life?
Speaker 3 (00:58):
If you will h.
Speaker 4 (01:01):
So, my husband and I have always been very open
with our not I wouldn't say open, I guess open
minded with our sexuality.
Speaker 2 (01:14):
It was a conversation we had.
Speaker 4 (01:15):
From the beginning, and so we kind of started there.
I was always bisexual and it was actually a conversation
that I had with him on our first date, like, look,
I'm bisexual. It's something I have to have. It's it's
not just a desire, it's a need. So I need
you to be on board with it. And if you're not,
like you should probably take.
Speaker 2 (01:36):
A hike now.
Speaker 1 (01:38):
So, so there was no because the story you always
hear sometimes is the guy really pushing like you know
what if we had a threesome, you know, hey, that'd
be interesting. That wasn't the case in your situation. You
were the one that presented right up front, like, hey,
one on one for the rest of our lives, probably
ain't gonna cut it, because I need some women in
here too.
Speaker 4 (01:56):
Yeah. Yeah, So I actually told him on that date too,
like because I was I was.
Speaker 2 (02:03):
Thirty years old at that point, and I was.
Speaker 4 (02:07):
Coming to the realization that I needed to be non
monogamous because I was hurting people and you know, I
would get into these relationships and they'd be great and
then I'd get bored. And I know I'm not the
only person guilty of that, Okay, So so in that exploration,
(02:29):
you know, some people got hurt and I feel really
terrible about it still, but it was a journey and
I started realizing, Okay, I don't think I can be
in a relationship where I am monogamous.
Speaker 2 (02:44):
That doesn't work for me.
Speaker 4 (02:46):
But then I was like, oh my god, I'm never
going to find a person that's like down with that.
Speaker 2 (02:50):
So I had been single for about a year.
Speaker 4 (02:56):
And met my husband, and yeah, we chatted for a
long time because we didn't live in the same state.
So we chatted for a long time after we had initially.
Speaker 2 (03:10):
Met, and.
Speaker 4 (03:14):
Finally when we went on the first date, we were
having such a great time, and I was like, look,
this date's going amazing. But there's some things you got
to know, like I need women. I have to have that.
You need to be okay with that. And honestly, I
think I'm moving.
Speaker 2 (03:34):
Into non monogamy.
Speaker 4 (03:36):
I don't know what that looks like for me because
I've never ventured that with another person.
Speaker 2 (03:41):
So if you're open to something like that in the future,
it doesn't need to be now, but maybe later. And
he was like, okay, yes.
Speaker 4 (03:49):
So from then on we started going to sex clubs
occasionally and kind of dipping our toe in there, and
finally it got to a point where we were just
very comfortable sexually with other people together. Played separately at
this point in time and twenty nineteen, I had a
(04:12):
girlfriend who was making like insane amounts of money on
Snapchat Wow as a snap Premium.
Speaker 2 (04:19):
Model, and I was like, Oh, let me try it.
Speaker 4 (04:22):
It's like, I'm sure I could make a little you
know that was an extra dollars a month or something
like that, and that first year, I was making insane,
insane amounts of money as a Snapchat model. So then
it got into oh twenty happen, and when COVID happened,
you know, we were all out of a job, sure,
(04:44):
most of us, so that included myself, and I thought,
let me try my hand at camming, like, let me,
let me try this. We were not hard, but just
wanted something else to do. And my husband was kind
of into it. He was like, oh, this is hot,
Like I'm down to Yeah, I'm done to watch this.
(05:05):
So I started camming, and at first I wasn't doing
very good because you have to build your clientele. Yeah,
like you know, the first month is discouraging when you're
a new when you're a new webcam model, because and
you have no following anywhere else, because you have to
(05:25):
sit there for free for hours, and you have to
show people your personality and your body and all of
these things. And then you build up a clientele and
then they come in and start tipping you. So my husband,
come to find out years later, I didn't know this.
Speaker 2 (05:40):
My I'd be upstairs.
Speaker 4 (05:41):
Camming, my husband would be downstairs watching me, and there
would be this whale that would come into the room,
and he would spend Googles the fucking money to start
getting the room going, and it would work every time,
come and out.
Speaker 3 (05:58):
That was my husband. That's that's love.
Speaker 1 (06:03):
By the way, if you're listening, if you're listening out there,
go into your wife's bugging either premium Snapchat or her
cameraom and start tipping it. Hey, why aren't more people
tipping in here? Start commenting that. That is so funny.
Speaker 3 (06:19):
That's like.
Speaker 1 (06:20):
That's like if I went on Reddit and I was like,
by the way, have you heard this new podcast? It's
pretty interesting. But then other people are like, yo, okay,
I'll give it a listen. They don't do that for me.
They just go like, hey, fuck this guy, get.
Speaker 3 (06:33):
Them out of here. So that is so oh, that's
so funny. And it worked. That worked.
Speaker 4 (06:39):
It worked, so he would come in and spend all
this money, and then people started just catching on and
spending money, and so within three months, I was a
top model on Chatterbabe. Then of course my fans were
pressing and pressing for an OnlyFans and.
Speaker 1 (06:57):
I'll can I say that you can say what you pay?
I'm so sorry, Yeah, you're totally fine. You were one
hundred percent fine.
Speaker 2 (07:05):
To say it okay.
Speaker 4 (07:06):
So they were like, you need an OnlyFans and I
was like, oh no, I share enough of my sexuality
with you guys.
Speaker 2 (07:13):
I don't think I don't think so no.
Speaker 4 (07:16):
Well then my husband of course, is like, maybe you
should try that, like it might be another you know,
revenue stream. And I was like, I have no idea
what I'm doing, Like I don't know how to film
a video, edit a video. I don't know any of
that stuff. And he's like, well you'd learn real fast.
I'm like, well, you're right, So I started an only fan.
(07:37):
After that, it was pretty much all over with. Like
I started the only fans, the only fans took off
and started generating that that year of twenty twenty and
twenty twenty one was insanity.
Speaker 3 (07:53):
What was the term you used earlier?
Speaker 5 (07:54):
Goog gobs googlebucking money? So can I ask you this though?
Let me let me ask you on your mindset there.
You seemed like, and I don't mean any offense by this,
a girl who's ready to go. Ever since you met
the husband, right, You're like, hey, but but then, why
the why the hesitation.
Speaker 1 (08:12):
On the only fans? Like what I just again, no
no judgment whatsoever. But I think that's so interesting where
you're like, I'll go this far, not quite there.
Speaker 4 (08:21):
Yet, because in my brain there was a there was
a oh my god, that's porn. Okay, well I can't.
I'm I'm not putting porn out into I'm doing solo
work here and that's it. And so I also thought, well,
my sex life, do I really want to open that
(08:42):
up for the world, Like, you know, do you really
want to open that up for the Internet, which is
the whole world forever?
Speaker 2 (08:52):
And so that was kind of you know.
Speaker 4 (08:55):
Like I I have three degrees, I'm I I'm highly educated.
I you know, thought what if I want to do
more with those degrees?
Speaker 2 (09:08):
What if I you know, And so I wasn't sure
about it. There.
Speaker 4 (09:12):
There was just a lot going on there that I
was like, I don't know. And so finally, with the
encouragement of my partner, it was like, well, if you're
good with it, like okay, like, you know, I know
if my family were to find out, because you know,
(09:34):
at that point, I was like, well, I know, if
my family finds out, like they're just gonna be like, okay,
not surprised.
Speaker 2 (09:40):
You okay.
Speaker 4 (09:42):
Yeah, So I wasn't really concerned about it. After he
gave me the green light, after he was encouraging it,
I was like, okay, so we ran with it.
Speaker 2 (09:57):
I ran with it.
Speaker 4 (09:58):
He wasn't really he's not really involved in my stuff
at all, and so, and not not that he wouldn't be,
it's just that he has a more professional position. So
it's like, you handle that, I'll do this, and we
(10:18):
have a pretty good thing here.
Speaker 2 (10:21):
You know, it works.
Speaker 4 (10:22):
So yeah, So I was a content creator after that
and was hesitant to get into mainstream porn, also because
I feel like I didn't I didn't need it for
a long time, and also the stigma that is attached
(10:44):
to mainstream porn even like I don't know if you
ever read Jena Jenna Jamison's book, but I read that shit.
Speaker 1 (10:51):
Yeah I did not read it, but I can imagine
it may have seemed rough.
Speaker 4 (10:59):
I encourage everyone to read it because it it gives
you a little bit of history in the porn the
professional porn realm.
Speaker 2 (11:12):
But and it was real, you know, the ship that
she was going through was real.
Speaker 4 (11:17):
And so I read that when she put it out,
and I think it was like I think maybe she
put that out in like two thousand and eight, So
that always stuck with me that, you know, I don't
think they're doing people real right on the on these
porn sets.
Speaker 1 (11:33):
But going I mean, having experienced somewhat slightly the industry
camming later on and then maybe talking to people, interacting
with people this and that, did you notice that the
industry has shifted somewhat a little more pro woman or
maybe I'm wrong?
Speaker 3 (11:49):
Correct me if I'm wrong.
Speaker 4 (11:50):
You know you are absolutely not wrong. You were absolutely right.
Speaker 2 (11:53):
So the you know, I was just I was just
telling you why I was terrified for.
Speaker 4 (11:59):
It, sure and hesitant because now I kick myself like
I should have done this years ago.
Speaker 2 (12:07):
I should have fucking done this years ago.
Speaker 3 (12:10):
So let me ask you a question quick. What were
your three degrees?
Speaker 4 (12:13):
If I can ask that, Yeah, I have a bachelor's
in biology, I have a bachelor's in business, and then
I have a minor in psychology.
Speaker 1 (12:24):
Well, the psychology and the business work. The biology is
kind of the most directly related. But every time I
talk to girls, I also do a separate show where
I interview new girls who are coming up or just
trying to start in the industry and this and that,
And I always tell them like, if you're going to
go to school and you want to do this, but
you still want to go to school, get a marketing degree,
go into business yeah sometimes yeah, market or take a
(12:47):
minor in like video editing or production or something like that. Like,
if you really want to make this a career, It's
so funny to me how much of your guys work
is not actually fucking.
Speaker 3 (13:00):
It's all the other shit, isn't it.
Speaker 2 (13:02):
Yeah, yeah, it's that.
Speaker 4 (13:04):
That's the thing, So that that's actually it's funny you
bring that up, because that is why I ended up
going into mainstream porn, because I had kind of hit
a cap for myself as to what I could do
for myself marketing wise. I felt like I hit a
cap at the end of twenty twenty three, and I
was like, okay, like I'm doing good. I'm still doing good,
(13:28):
but I want to do more. I want to be
one of these million dollar girls. And so I decided, okay, well,
like I had browsers knocking out my door, and so
I went ahead and took the call with browsers and
decided to start shooting. And I shot a couple of
scenes with browsers. It was fantastic, and so I was like, okay.
(13:53):
So at the beginning of last year, when ABN kicked
off in twenty twenty four, I went and I went
with plan.
Speaker 2 (14:01):
I went.
Speaker 4 (14:03):
Thinking, Okay, I'm going to get a manager, I'm going
to find a fucking agent, I'm going to get an assistant.
I'm going to get all of these things that I
need and catapult this into another atmosphere.
Speaker 2 (14:16):
And that's precisely what I did.
Speaker 4 (14:17):
In two weeks later, I was shooting pro porn in Florida.
Like the producer, this director was like, okay, yeah, I
have ten scenes for you. I'm like okay, yeah, okay, yes,
I'll take it.
Speaker 1 (14:35):
You've also worked with, though some pretty incredible, it's I
don't know how to I've yet to figure out the
best way to articulate this. So the mainstream performers, there's
also more of your independent performers. And it used to
be felt like a tear system, a little bit like
you're indies, and then this it seems like it's almost
(14:57):
leveling out as different kinds.
Speaker 3 (14:59):
Yeah, yeah, it really.
Speaker 2 (15:00):
Is, where she's kind of like this, actually.
Speaker 1 (15:03):
Yeah, you know, You've worked with someone who I think
is like the best example of that, subgirl. I don't
know her name. I don't know that anyone knows her name.
Maybe they do, maybe.
Speaker 4 (15:14):
It's one well sure you know, yeah, yeah, yes, I assume,
oh subgirl.
Speaker 3 (15:20):
Yeah, you're not just falling that.
Speaker 4 (15:21):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (15:22):
But it's amazing to me how much indie performers can
still stay out of the mainstream and I mean build
a full business, right yeah, Oh.
Speaker 4 (15:32):
My god, yeah, I think for I've worked with so
many people like that, She's one of them, and I
briefly worked with her. I did not work with her
a whole lot, but I did work with her a
little bit on the Hot Wife tour. But oh man,
if she's ever a web or a person that is
top chier that does this indie performance and stays out
(15:54):
of mainstream for the most part, she's one hundred percent
that person, I think. Uh, I want to I want
to say, also Max and Hailey Rose, like Phil's and Haley,
they kind of did independent, very very indie and look
(16:14):
at the two of them now, like, yeah, but they
have since moved into pro porn.
Speaker 1 (16:20):
Like it's funny you say that though, because I only
associate Haley I know Haley or not personally like, oh,
I know her, she's a friend of mine. I know
of Haley Rose, and I only associate her with just
having a huge like Twitter presence, like her shit always
shows up at the top of my thing and whatever.
So it's amazing that they've built this, do you, But
(16:41):
you say you do like shooting mainstream scenes still right?
Speaker 4 (16:43):
Oh?
Speaker 2 (16:43):
I love them.
Speaker 4 (16:45):
I and And you asked me a question earlier and
I didn't really dive into it.
Speaker 2 (16:50):
You asked me if.
Speaker 4 (16:53):
If pro porn has since changed in giving the performers
more more rights than what they have, And I do
want to, I do wanna that because yes, absolutely, it was.
Speaker 2 (17:07):
Nothing like I thought it would be. It was nothing.
Speaker 4 (17:11):
What it was when once upon a time. Maybe it
is not that now. And I think, I honestly think
too that the platform of only Fans, I have a
love hate relationship with that platform, as I know many
of my name my colleagues do too. But it changed
(17:32):
things for people I porn like, it changed the pro
porn realm to give them to give performers just more.
Speaker 1 (17:45):
Agency. Is that the word? I don't know what that means?
Speaker 2 (17:48):
Yes, like it gave them more.
Speaker 1 (17:52):
Power, right, you more more decision making ability. Now you
you can take that big brawser. But you know what,
money wise, you don't really need it so much as
much as you would have ten years ago. Something like that, right, right,
So let me I'm sorry, continue, go ahead.
Speaker 4 (18:11):
No, so I have I mean, I love the way
they treat me on these sets. I love the people
I work with on them. I've never had a bad,
bad day, bad situation, and so and I've been on
I don't know how many. I think I shot sixty
(18:33):
five scenes last year. So so I've never had a
bad anything, well anything.
Speaker 1 (18:42):
Now that you mentioned numbers, we're going to do something
to do on the show called stat check.
Speaker 3 (18:45):
Okay.
Speaker 1 (18:46):
I'm going to start out by saying these numbers are
entirely wrong. They're not right. I say this to every
woman I interview. They go okay, and then at the
end of it, when I say the numbers, they go, oh,
that's totally wrong.
Speaker 3 (18:58):
Yes, we're all we know, we know.
Speaker 2 (19:00):
So we're gonna fitball in here.
Speaker 1 (19:02):
So I'm basing this off the Internet Adult Film Database,
which is almost like IMDb, the Internet Movie Database, and
it kind of tracks most of your main or all
of your mainstream stuff, a lot of the mini bids
or this and that other things. So when I say
this numbers, these numbers here, they're gonna be wrong because
you just said something that blows it out of the water. Anyway,
(19:22):
So number of okay, but we use this as a milestone.
So when I have you on a year from now
and you have fifty AVN awards and you're like this
queen and blah blah blah blah blah, even more of
a queen, I apologize. We can look back and go, oh,
remember when on your record you only had blank blank blank.
So number of scenes I have is forty eight. That's
(19:44):
why I know the numbers are wrong. You just said
sixty five.
Speaker 3 (19:46):
I get it.
Speaker 1 (19:47):
Number of scenes is forty eight. Number of guys you've
worked with is fifty one. Number of girls you've worked
with is twenty four. According to this, no AVN nominations yet,
and no AVN wins. Now's your turn to tell me
those numbers are totally wrong. Those numbers are wrong, Okay.
Speaker 4 (20:04):
I think actually the one that might actually be correct
is the number of women I've worked with. Well, I
don't know. So are these pro scenes that they're talking
about that women in pros.
Speaker 1 (20:18):
This is probably like it's a website that's been around
for twenty years, but it's probably built by a guy
like in a basement in Thailand, like putting it together.
So don't don't sweat it. I wouldn't be like they
don't have credit. No, they don't have credit for a
bunch of years.
Speaker 4 (20:31):
I think it's probably less actually in the women that
I've worked with in the pro world.
Speaker 2 (20:39):
And then yeah, I have.
Speaker 4 (20:40):
Definitely it's more men and it's more scenes for sure.
Speaker 3 (20:43):
Yeah, for sure.
Speaker 4 (20:44):
But no no avn noums yet and no no awards.
Speaker 2 (20:51):
Yeah, we're working on We're gonna fucking get there.
Speaker 3 (20:54):
Does that mean a lot to you or no? An award?
Speaker 4 (20:59):
No, it doesn't. It just kind of validates you, I think,
you know. So, while I don't feel like I know
what I'm putting out and I'm happy with it and
it's gaining dry and I'm fine with that. But of
(21:20):
course it's always nice to be told, dude, you took
that dick soak, you were the best one. You took
that dick the best I don't hear that.
Speaker 1 (21:29):
Yeah, congratulations, congratulations you took that dick so much better
than all the other ladies who took dick this year.
Speaker 4 (21:41):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (21:42):
You said something before that I wanted to touch on. You
said love hate relationship with OnlyFans. Now you are not
I understand none of the independent channels. You've already gone
through again and again, how much they've given women in
this industry, the independent channels not just only fans fansly
many bids, blah blah. It's great to have your own outlet,
(22:03):
to be able to publish things, yes, but the love
hate what is the hate part? What can these things
do to be more friendly towards women, because they're already
doing a great job of giving you the ability, But
now how can they take some of the chains off?
What is something that really bothers you about them?
Speaker 2 (22:23):
I wouldn't say.
Speaker 4 (22:24):
I wouldn't say women, I'd say create, I'd say fair
creators in general. I have I've seen the blue and whiteside.
I don't want to say it out logs. I don't
want them to come for me.
Speaker 3 (22:40):
That's that's why I was trying to disperse it. Independent
channel I've seen.
Speaker 4 (22:46):
In particular, just do creator so dirty? Like I mean,
kick them off? For things that are not clear in
the tos or there was like there was one person
in particular who had their only who.
Speaker 3 (23:03):
Had their their their channel some.
Speaker 4 (23:06):
Income suspended and it was because you know, we're allowed
to our Twitter in the bio and they were linking
their Twitter, which their Twitter had some stuff on it
that that mentioned, uh, high end escorting.
Speaker 2 (23:27):
Am I allowed to.
Speaker 3 (23:28):
See that on it? Yeah? You said whatever you want. Yeah,
you're totally So.
Speaker 4 (23:33):
They had that on their on their Twitter and they
suspended their account because of that. Now, how is that
breaking the toos? They're talking about that on the site
on on Why is it a problem when your bots
(23:57):
can go in and read the freaking twitter and see
what's on the twitter, that's a problem.
Speaker 1 (24:02):
That's how I got my strike on YouTube. I did
not tell anyone to go anywhere. I said, you may
know my next guest Andy Anderson from blank blank blank
dot com. And they took the transcript and put a
link to it, and then they went, oh, you're linking pornography.
(24:25):
You get a strike now. So that is why I
am dancing around telling people to check you out at
the site. We all know what it is at and
D five A and d E five. Make sure you
check her out. You know, I understand one aspect of it.
They they don't want that on their site because there's
(24:48):
legal ramifications blah blah blah blah whatever. I get that,
But the linking thing, you're right, they need to be
more clear about that. I don't know if I'm allowed
to put a Twitter account in uh the YouTube bio,
because I don't know if when they go to Andy
Anderson's Twitter, giant beautiful breasts are going to be there
(25:09):
or something.
Speaker 2 (25:09):
Like that, They're gonna see my butt hole.
Speaker 1 (25:15):
And lucky for everyone who clicks that, let me, let
me dive into some of the content. And so, yeah,
if you could only shoot one niche the rest of
your career, say, you are getting pigeonholed, but it's going
to equate to tons of money. Most girls go, I
like shooting everything, and I totally respect that. I understand.
(25:36):
But if there was one thing that you are just
in love with doing, shooting whatever type of niche or
kink or whatever it is, what is something you would
want to dive into forever if you were forced to do.
Speaker 4 (25:48):
That, That's a good question, I would probably say, because.
Speaker 2 (25:59):
I don't know I would probably say the stepmommy stuff.
Speaker 4 (26:06):
I mean, the milf content is what I would probably
stick with.
Speaker 2 (26:12):
Just because.
Speaker 4 (26:14):
I have found that it's such a it's not it
is a niche, but it's not really because I think all.
Speaker 2 (26:24):
Men that were once younger.
Speaker 4 (26:28):
Grow up having this fetish about, you know, mils, about
these women that are a little bit older. They have
fake breasts, they whatever, they you know, are more experienced
than the girls their age, so on and so forth,
and then they actually get to that age where they're
(26:49):
the same age as the MILFs, and they're still into
the MILFs. Sure, so I feel like it's such a
broad age range that you're not having to hit. It's
not really a niche. It's a genre, I guess, yeah,
for sure. Really, Yeah, so that's what I would stick with,
I think because it's fun. It's fun the film, like.
Speaker 2 (27:13):
You know, and it's never gonna I'm never gonna age
out of it.
Speaker 1 (27:18):
Sure, well gonna hit you'll age into the guilf category eventually,
but I think you got to hit like seventy five
for that.
Speaker 4 (27:24):
Yeah, hopefully by then, I'm no longer hopeful by then,
my buttholes no longer fresh on the internet.
Speaker 3 (27:32):
You know, let's and.
Speaker 2 (27:36):
No hate, no hate to my guilfs. Dude, no noy
to my gilfs.
Speaker 1 (27:42):
But I'll tell you a quick, quick, quick story. I
interviewed someone the other day. I will not say who
it is. And if anyone's listening to this and they go, oh,
is it this episode he released, I will not release
that episode. Actually it's a shame I was. I was
having not a good time with her. She's actually kind
of a led in a specific niche. But whatever, I'm
(28:05):
having a decent time talk. But the whole time she's
just complaining. She's like, I don't get booked anywhere. I
never get booked. And it's like, oh, your attitude's not great,
but it's I never get booked. I never get booked.
Speaker 3 (28:15):
D da da da da da da. Then it ends
and she's like, that was good. That was nice.
Speaker 1 (28:19):
She goes, I just never get booked anywhere. I'm like, okay,
I go, well, you used to direct a lot you
She complained the entire episode. Younger girls coming in the
industry just work for free. No one wants to booked
me because of the there's all these younger girls. So
in my head, I go, well, you used to direct
a lot of videos and a lot of scenes. And
going back to the times you were talking about the
Jenna Jamison times, why not try and bring along some
(28:42):
of these younger people shoot the content, do this and that.
She flips on me. She starts yelling, no one wants
unsolicited advice. You need to shut up. Go ahead, just
give me more. And I just went, you know what,
fuck this, I'm out of here. Can I ask is
there anyone that has helped you ment or? It wouldn't
be this lady, by the way, Has anyone helped you mentor?
(29:03):
And I won't give the name. I'll tell you after
if you want, but no one else? Has anyone helped
you like mentor? In this industry? Do you have anyone
that you've kind of looked up to? And so many
times I see women come on the independent circuit and
then mainstream and then there's someone they and it's not
a negative thing, but they're like, oh my god, this
person is like my oh, she's my jewels. She's so helpful,
(29:25):
she works on scenes with me. Do you have anyone
like that? It's okay if you don't, so.
Speaker 4 (29:31):
I I'll tell you, honestly, someone that I can credit
to kind of mentoring me through this journey is Max Fill's.
Speaker 3 (29:43):
Wow.
Speaker 2 (29:43):
I know that's.
Speaker 4 (29:44):
Really an odd thing to say, but if I ever
needed any Max and I had great chemistry from jump,
not only as shoe shoe partners, but also just it's
really and so I can I can even now go
to Max and be like, hey, what's up with this?
Speaker 2 (30:04):
Or do you know about this?
Speaker 4 (30:05):
And he'll help me through it and so, and especially
in the pro realm, like he had anything I needed,
anything I could ask I I.
Speaker 2 (30:16):
Went to him with and he's helped me.
Speaker 4 (30:18):
There were a lot yeah yeah, so and then as
far as like I also, our social media goes too,
Like I didn't know. All I was doing was social
media either, no idea getting into this. And there was
someone that mentored me. Her name's Ona Artist and she.
Speaker 2 (30:40):
Was not.
Speaker 4 (30:42):
She's not a porn star. She blew up as an
Instagram girl. She was on she had her own website
for a long time and she was doing webcam on website.
Speaker 2 (30:54):
I was watching.
Speaker 4 (30:55):
Vice Viceland one night and she just happened to be
on this episode of slut Her. And this was back
in like I don't know twenty seventeen or something like this.
Speaker 2 (31:07):
I'm watching this.
Speaker 4 (31:09):
A couple years later, when I started getting into the
sex industry, I immediately remembered her, followed her, and she
was selling this course for how to become a large
Instagram model, and so I thought, I need to do
that because I have no idea what I'm and so
(31:32):
I ended up buying the course.
Speaker 2 (31:34):
But then she ended up helping me through so much.
Speaker 4 (31:39):
And that also there was a lot of girls in there,
like all in there together, and we were able to learn.
Everybody kind of knew a little bit. They brought something
to the table. Everybody brought something to the table from
one thing or another. And early on I had learned
(32:01):
the ropes on sex fanther how to work sex fanther
really well, and so that was kind of what I
brought to the table and was teaching people. And so
I learned a lot from her and from that group too.
Speaker 1 (32:13):
Everything I've heard, I'm going to specify the difference. Everything
I've heard about the back room of a strip club,
not the VIP room. The dancer room is just girls
going at each other's throats with razor blades, wanting to
fight Da da da, And then everything I've heard in
the porn industry is all of you women are somewhat
helpful to each other and willing to give advice or
(32:36):
willing to do this and that and whatever. It's what
does that? Is there just enough business around? Do you
ever feel like, oh, I'm competing and you don't have
to say names. Do you ever feel like I'm competing
with this person, I'm whatever, or you just build yourself.
Speaker 2 (32:51):
Yeah, I do not feel like I'm competing. But I'm
not like that ever. I've never been like that. My
whole life felt like I was competing with anybody.
Speaker 4 (32:59):
And so I think I think that quality and mentality.
I am not fighting for my life here. I also
think because I was older getting into this, I'm not
there's not forty there's not forty thousand mills. There's a
(33:19):
couple of us that can do the job.
Speaker 3 (33:22):
Well, sure, yeah, I'm not.
Speaker 4 (33:26):
We're not fighting for In fact, I'm I'm so excited
for this scene on Wednesday, La on Sunday, And sorry
if I got super loud.
Speaker 2 (33:40):
Did I blow your ear pods?
Speaker 1 (33:41):
No?
Speaker 3 (33:41):
No, no, no, You're totally good.
Speaker 4 (33:43):
No, You're I actually get to start alongside uh Cherie
Deville and Rachelle Ryan.
Speaker 1 (33:53):
So I mean that's yeah, Cherry Deville has become the
face of angry. Didn't she do the ads at the
beginning of when they were banning porn across the country.
I thought she was the face of porn hub that
was like, you need the ID check man. There was
probably a lot of dudes who looked at her and
were just like, I'll just beat.
Speaker 3 (34:14):
It to this. I don't give a fuck yet, Yeah.
Speaker 2 (34:17):
What are you selling? Okay? Yeah?
Speaker 4 (34:20):
Yeah, So I'm I've worked with Rashelle before for content uh,
and I was kind of starstruck then and so now
I'm just super excited to work with those two.
Speaker 2 (34:34):
I'm really excited.
Speaker 1 (34:35):
That's what I was going to ask you. Do you
get starstruck at all? It sounds like you do, but
like when what does it though? Is it someone that
you know is like a phenomenal performer. Is it someone
with a huge presence, Like what really gets you? Is
it someone that like I used to search her and
now and get to fuck her?
Speaker 4 (34:51):
So there are there is some of that element to
it where it's like, oh my god, I watched this
person ten years ago.
Speaker 2 (34:58):
But I think it's.
Speaker 4 (35:01):
It's where they're at in their career that I'm like,
I want to do, I want to be there. So
it's really it's really truly the people that have their
shit together on the end, that are doing so well
that I'm like, that's my ment, That's who I want
to be in my life, that's who I want to
(35:21):
work besides. So, yeah, it's not so much huge presence
or anything like that. I've never I've never really cared
about that type of thing, not that that doesn't play
a part, of course, but it's the people that are
just fucking on it, that are killing it that that's
what I want to That's what I want to do,
(35:43):
That's what I want to be. So so to be
able to work with two people that I know for
sure hit that is really super exciting.
Speaker 1 (35:53):
I asked you before a trend or thing you really like,
let me ask you this, what is a niche, a
trend to cank whatever. I used to call this game
sack and it was it stood for shit animals. Kids,
we're taking those out of the equation. Anytime I would
ask a girl this question, they would go, well, I
wouldn't you know do this with a kid.
Speaker 3 (36:12):
I'd be like, yeah.
Speaker 1 (36:13):
No, if you would, I wouldn't want to talk to
you anymore. What is something that's in the adult world
but you just don't really have any interest in pursuing
like a kink and a fetish or a genre, you
know what I mean?
Speaker 2 (36:26):
Yeah, yeah, race play.
Speaker 3 (36:28):
Okay, that's a great one.
Speaker 1 (36:30):
And I always when I asked that other question, a
lot of women just going nothing at all. I'll do
it all, I'll do anything. And that's my comeback. I go,
how about race play? And they go, oh, no, no, no,
not that, no.
Speaker 3 (36:40):
No no.
Speaker 2 (36:40):
In fact, it's real funny.
Speaker 4 (36:42):
And the reason this isn't my brain right now currently
is because I was working. I was doing video chats
at like six o'clock in the morning and I was
on sex Panther and I had the sky on a
video chat and he was wanted to do race play
and I'm like I She's like, no, it's fine, say it.
Speaker 2 (37:04):
I'm into it. And I was like, I'm not, Like, I'm.
Speaker 3 (37:06):
Not no sure.
Speaker 1 (37:09):
Like I've interviewed black performers before, female and male, and
I've gotten both answers. I've gotten from women. Avery Jane
is a phenomenal performer and she has told me, you know,
no chance, Like I'll fucking take your head off if
you even you know.
Speaker 3 (37:26):
And I get that.
Speaker 1 (37:27):
And I've talked to Anna Fox, Anna Fox, however you
say her damn name. She's a legend, right, I got
it wrong throughout the entire episode. By the way, when
I talk to her about it, and she's very vocal
about race relations and this and that online totally great.
But when I talked to her about it, she goes,
he has a performance, Like maybe she's changed since then,
and if fine, that's totally acceptable. But she's like, it's
(37:48):
a performance at whatever. I've interviewed John Legendary, who's a
great performer, and he has told me, yo, I'm fucking
this girl.
Speaker 3 (37:55):
I don't give a shit what she says to me,
like if she wants to call me whatever.
Speaker 1 (38:00):
So it's always a weird line because like, for sure,
you're a performer, someone is paying you for the performance.
If it's a black gentleman and they want it, part
of me goes like, not that you should do it
at all, it's your comfort, But part of me is like,
is it okay because he wants it and it's part
(38:22):
of the performance. I think that's for African American people
to determine for themselves. I don't think I should be
the one really pointing that out. I commend you for
not doing it, unless, of course, Lex Steel came around
and wanted it. Then I'd be like, and I know
I've seen you've worked with him before, but I would
be like if you were my wife and Lex Steel
came to you and was like, hey, Lex, some rays
(38:43):
play and you're like, I'm not comfortable, I'd go Andy, please,
he's a legend. Just call him whatever he wants.
Speaker 3 (38:49):
Please. But I understand and respect it.
Speaker 4 (38:52):
I just I you know, I feel like I've always
grown up with you know that that whole the word and.
Speaker 2 (39:05):
Everything is just it's base. It was.
Speaker 4 (39:07):
It was born in based hate. And I still feel
that way, you know. So so it's a word that
I just and I know it's like any other kink.
It's like, you know, you have you have the guys
that lost their jobs in two thousand and seven and
went from being an executive executive that was making a
(39:27):
million dollars a year to losing their jobs and they
lost everything. The pay pigk kink came from that. Really,
that's where it fucking came from I didn't think about it.
We didn't hear about pay pigs before that, did you know.
Speaker 1 (39:43):
That's a great point. I never considered that before. That
is really insightful.
Speaker 4 (39:48):
Yeah, it stems from people just leaning into things that
could have been a trauma. Was probably a trauma, and
this is this is I'm into this.
Speaker 2 (40:02):
So I get it. I understand it.
Speaker 4 (40:04):
But as a performer, uh, and I get I also
understand inside with what she was saying. As being a performer,
I get that, And I no hate to anybody that's
comfortable with that.
Speaker 1 (40:16):
I'm just not, you know, totally get it, totally get it.
Anything else that you wouldn't want to dive into any
other kind of niche genre, fetish, anything like that.
Speaker 4 (40:29):
I'm not into the little fetish, you know, like the
very it's they're called the littles, and is that when good?
It's really it's the girls that are super young. They're
like nineteen twenty and they're playing super.
Speaker 3 (40:49):
Young girls, right. Sure.
Speaker 4 (40:51):
So that's one thing that I want to avoid, especially
as a MILF, because they'll try and cast me with
stuff like that.
Speaker 2 (40:57):
I just I don't because then we're on.
Speaker 4 (40:59):
Average of like you know, it's distasteful to me.
Speaker 3 (41:06):
You so are you?
Speaker 1 (41:08):
You're comfortable with age play, You're not comfortable with it
being painted so low?
Speaker 2 (41:13):
Oh?
Speaker 4 (41:13):
Yeah, yeah, I'm comfortable with age play because I'm a
milf and I'm obviously you know milf stuff is with
cubs and all that.
Speaker 2 (41:24):
I'm always someone's step mom.
Speaker 3 (41:26):
But I'm always someone's step mom.
Speaker 2 (41:29):
I am.
Speaker 4 (41:30):
But when the girls are being casted as like eleven twelve, yeah,
that's crazy. No that I want to avoid that one too.
Speaker 1 (41:41):
Yeah, I think that's smart. That would fall into like
the SEC category for me. Sorry, I had a little
technical issue there. Just so we know, I'm speaking to
Andy Anderson at Andy five. You know where you can
find her links in the episode description. So let me
talk about the content moving forward. What you said the
scene you're doing Rachelle Ryan and Cherry Deville awesome. Do
(42:02):
you have anything else you want to tackle on the horizon?
Have you have you shot a gang bang yet, like
a like a real you solo gang bang, like I'm pro,
like pro or just whatever?
Speaker 3 (42:14):
Can I find content of you gang bang?
Speaker 2 (42:16):
Back in September for content?
Speaker 4 (42:21):
And at the time, I was really proud of it
because it was something I hadn't done. Now looking back
on it, it was kind of a shit show. Not
because of the not because of the male talent. They
were all fucking awesome, amazing, and not because of me.
Speaker 2 (42:37):
It was just it was just not shot.
Speaker 4 (42:41):
Sure, great, So I want to go back to that
and kind of polish do another one, polish it up
a little.
Speaker 1 (42:50):
But yeah, are you shooting these or do you have
a guy you bring in to shoot for you?
Speaker 2 (42:55):
Yea, I know I have people shoot for me.
Speaker 3 (42:57):
Okay, okay, cool, cool? Cool?
Speaker 1 (42:58):
So what are you going to to try and tackle differently?
Is it just light and no offense? You know, I'm
sure it was, you know, it just confusion? But is
it lit wrong? Is it just angles?
Speaker 3 (43:08):
Not great?
Speaker 4 (43:10):
The audio was kind of a mess. Yeah, the angles
weren't great. There's also like it was a roaming camera
and when you're trying to I don't know, when you're
trying to film a gang bang, like you really it
has to be thought out a little more, really, And
(43:31):
I think I was just like, okay, free for all,
let's go, because I didn't you know, I'm like, I
don't know what I'm doing here to you guys.
Speaker 2 (43:39):
No, Okay, let's just I got two holes.
Speaker 4 (43:42):
Let's go three three, I can't agree, Oh, let's go.
You know it was a mess, so uh and my camera,
my camera guy did great. Like I said, you just
you have to go in with the plank of Okay, guys,
we're going to go here and we're going to do this,
(44:04):
and and the camera guy is gonna stay here, like
you just really have to think about that. And we
did not, and it's okay, Like still made us some
good money.
Speaker 1 (44:13):
Like again, we go back to I go back to
angry Twitter guy writing at you from some basement somewhere
going All she does is she just gets fucked on
camera and that's how she makes all her money. You
just described to me that a shot list has to
be designed for this entire thing. Do you know how
intensive that is? And plus, by the way, you're going
to be on your back the whole time, so how
(44:34):
are you you know? Yeah? It just uh, the respect
I have on a business level and a production level
for performers has only grown since I've talked to them,
because I, you know, incorrectly, I came into doing this
talking to beautiful women who have sex for a living
and go, oh, your life must be so great and
your life is great, but it's not as easy as
(44:55):
it sounds.
Speaker 2 (44:56):
Listen.
Speaker 4 (44:57):
I I had corporate jobs. I worked for FEMA. I've
do for FEMA for years. The hardest job I've ever
had is this one. I do the most work being
foreign star than I've ever done work. You know, I
went to college. I was a stripper when I was
(45:17):
in college. I was also a cheerleader, did not sleep.
And I work harder now than I thought it then,
So like, oh, no one will ever understand. They just think,
you know, oh we're terrible. People were just on our
back and that's not and it's not true. True, it's
(45:38):
not true. Yeah they're working at a weapons manufacturing plant.
Oh yeah yeah. If you don't have.
Speaker 2 (45:44):
Business sense, you will not make it in this industry.
Speaker 3 (45:48):
I've asked this before. Do you who do you?
Speaker 1 (45:50):
And it's just a great example of hard work in
this industry. Who do you think makes more money? A
ten out of ten with no social media sense? We're
a seven out of ten who knows how to work
the algorithm?
Speaker 2 (46:04):
Oh my god, the seven out of ten every time?
Speaker 3 (46:07):
Right out of ten.
Speaker 4 (46:08):
Yes, I have seen girls that are not the prettiest girls.
And these girls are out there making millions of dollars. Yeah,
and you know I mean going into that like people
can talk all the shit they want. Some of the
smartest people I've ever seen are in this industry.
Speaker 2 (46:31):
Let's go to ammer ant.
Speaker 4 (46:34):
Yeah, okay, so she doesn't she doesn't do she doesn't
shoot pro porn.
Speaker 2 (46:39):
She's not truly in the porn industry.
Speaker 4 (46:43):
I think she does solo work on her of Okay,
but still that is something sure, and look at what
she's done, like, look at the things that she continues
to do.
Speaker 2 (46:54):
She is incredibly intelligent.
Speaker 4 (46:56):
And yeah there is there's a whole team and there
of course we know, but she started that on her own.
Speaker 1 (47:05):
Like the team doesn't show up. They don't knock on
the door one day and go, oh andy, do you
want to be a superstar now?
Speaker 3 (47:11):
Or you have to build up to that team. Right, So.
Speaker 2 (47:17):
People can say what they want to say.
Speaker 4 (47:19):
But like I said, some of the most intelligent people
are in this industry.
Speaker 1 (47:23):
Sure, yeah, yeah, I definitely think so. Willman ask last
question here? Then I have a quick little social media
thing for you. But last question, what is the future?
Where do you see this going? Do you have a
dollar amount you want to get to? Do you have
a number of scenes? Do you have an age? Do
you see an endgame? Or you like I said earlier
(47:44):
going to be on the cover of Guilf Hunter sixty five,
like when do you want to get out?
Speaker 3 (47:50):
If you do want to get out, do you have
a metric?
Speaker 2 (47:54):
So I don't have an age that I want to
get out. I just.
Speaker 4 (48:02):
There is burnout at some point. There is, because it's
like I'll tell you. And I was talking to my
husband about this earlier today because he, oh, I make
really good money on sex at their menks. I make
really good money and it's video chatting and sexteen and
(48:24):
he said, look, you need to work that into the ground.
Speaker 3 (48:29):
When you're home.
Speaker 2 (48:29):
You need to be working that. Because I had just
told him.
Speaker 4 (48:32):
I came downstairs and I told him how much money
I made on it, and he was like, oh, fuck,
Like you need to be working not as much as
you can in your home. And I'm like, look, but
here's the thing. Yes, you're right, I should, but I
I let's think about this when I'm home. I typically
i'm two weeks home, two weeks gone, and so in
(48:56):
the two weeks that I'm home, I'm diddling myself on camera.
I have to shoot content scenes and then I also
have to have my own personal sex. So then you know,
like I'm gonna fly off to LA on Sunday and
(49:19):
I'm shooting every day, sometimes twice a day while I'm gone.
Speaker 1 (49:25):
Like, yeah, it's you know, I could I could see
his point if you had a metric, if you guys
were like, once we get to ten million, we can
both retire and be out then. And also, by the way,
it's not his holes that he's telling you to, you know,
or he's not having to do it. It would probably
be a little bit different if he had this sex
(49:47):
with guys on that and no, nope, yeah go ahead.
Speaker 2 (49:50):
And I told him, like, you know, it's a little
bit different. I know guys could sit there.
Speaker 4 (49:54):
I know guys can sit there a mole for fucking
twenty hours a day. I was like, it's different. You're
not putting stuff inside your body, like, it's different. We
we burn out, you know. And so I don't necessarily
have a number or an age. I think it's just
(50:14):
when I decide that oh shit, okay, I'm there is
going to be a point where X is getting to
be mundane and I never want that.
Speaker 2 (50:24):
And so when I start to feel.
Speaker 4 (50:25):
That, that's my that popping point, right.
Speaker 2 (50:30):
So what I plan to do prior to that.
Speaker 4 (50:34):
I think within the next probably two years, I'm going
to start on Twitch or on kick and start streaming,
and I, you know, like, I'm funny enough and I'm
creative enough to.
Speaker 2 (50:51):
To pull people in on that.
Speaker 4 (50:54):
So start doing that and kind of doing a little
bit of cosplay stuff and kind of move on segue
I think into that and into YouTube. So my husband
has always pushed for years and years and years because
I've managed my own OnlyFans for a long time, and
(51:15):
he's like, I think that you should manage some of
these girls. And I'm like, fuck that. Have you met
any of these girls?
Speaker 3 (51:28):
No, you know, it's so funny. I like that.
Speaker 1 (51:31):
If you remember my story from earlier, he gave you
some unsolicited advice that you should manage girls, and you
yelled at him. That's what we don't do, folks. We
don't offer unsolicited advice. Ladies and gentlemen, my guests tonight,
Andy Anderson, you know exactly where you can find her
at Andy five.
Speaker 3 (51:49):
You know our rule here go through the episode description.
Follow everywhere that's free.
Speaker 1 (51:53):
You have to at least follow everywhere that's free the
bare minimum, Twitter, Instagram, all of that. But I also
want to direct you again the site we're talking about
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sure we don't go back to the old days of
two thousand and five when I was just a wee
(52:15):
boy searching the internet and I didn't know women were
being treated so badly behind the scenes. Jenna Jamison let
us all know. Andy Anderson, thank you so much for
coming on with you now.
Speaker 2 (52:25):
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