Deportation: Is it Realistic? Ep 132. 19 Mar 2025

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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the latest goings on in Holyrood and the latest goings
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in the Channel, which is always a source of aggravation
for US British patriots as we watch our country being invaded.

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It's being invaded always, of course, but the most obvious
one is across the Channel, and our government does very
little to address it when there are ways to address it,
which will be getting into tonight because we've titled this
program deportation. Is it possible? And the answer is a

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resounding yes, of course it's possible. But what we don't
have right now is the political will to do it
on scale, on the scale that is necessary to do it.
And we don't have the political will because the people

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who populate the political culture do not have the mentality.
And it's the mentality which you need before you can
actually do the action, because without the mind, your body
is not going to follow. So what Britain really needs

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is a revolution of the mind, and when you have
that revolution of the mind, then there can be a
revolution in action. And right now our political culture is
suffering from all sorts of I want to say, I

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don't want to say liberal because that's a good word,
but it's come to become a kind of bad word.
A lot of liberal illusions, a lot of misunderstandings about
human nature in the last eighty years or so, and
we're at the stage where a lot of those chickens

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are coming home to roost. And if we keep going
on with that kind of way of thinking, then our
country will be finished, it will be over. And so
we need a revolution of the mind to turn back,
to turn the mind another way. We need a change
in the brain, as I like to say. And when

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we've got a change in the brain, as is surely coming,
then we will be able to save our country. And
whatever we can do to help that change in the brain,
whatever we are a Force for Good can do to
help that change in thinking that unlocks the potential for
all sorts of new policies, then we're going to do it.

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And we're certainly going to be talking about those things.
That's what we do. That's what we do for a
living here at a Force for Good. I want to
say hello to people who have just come in. Debbie.
Good evening to you. Debbie says, I'm going to train,
so we'll have to watch it later. I hope everybody
is well.

Speaker 2 (04:50):
Well.

Speaker 1 (04:50):
What you need to do, Debbie, these days is just
put it up loud, just sit it in front of
you and just let it blast the entire carriage, because
that's what all the folks do these days. It appears
on the public transport. They don't seem to care about

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everybody else around them. But at least if it's a
force for good, it will be broadcasting knowledge to the world.

Speaker 2 (05:18):
Right.

Speaker 1 (05:20):
Catherine says hello from Hindland, Hello to you, Catherine. Oxhanna
says hi all and Persephone says yes, absolutely, one hundred percent.
We don't have a government brave enough to do it.
Absolutely good to see Derek back in the house after
your absence last week. Derek, were you were missed? Good evening,

(05:44):
Hope everyone is doing well. Ken says we need to
leave the European Convention and Human Rights. We certainly do.
We also need to leave the UN Refugee Convention. That's
a big one. That's a big one, and when that
comes about, that will be a complete change in the
Western world's way of thinking because Britain is uniquely vulnerable.

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I was thinking about this the other day. We as
an island, we tend to think it was an island.
We're safe because there's water, not really we're actually more
vulnerable because we cannot literally build a wall. We'll get
to that later in the program. Christopher says, the political
classes and many of the middle classes have no understanding

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of the threats we are facing. That's what's absolutely worrying.
That's what's absolutely worrying. It really is good. Well, I
want to start off with the theme of the show tonight,
which is deportation. And deportation is the theme because Rupert

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Lowe and Reform and Nigel Farage they all had a
bit of a falling out and I'm hoping that maybe
they can patch these things up in time, but it
appeared to be over Rupert Lowe's enthusiasm for deportation, and
some people have been saying that Nigel doesn't want deportation

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because of one interview that he did, which he maybe
wasn't thinking too much about when he gave the answer,
but which has come to kind of haunt him. And
I think that particular interview that he did where he
seemed to be saying that he didn't think deportation was feasible,
I think that's that's not really to be taken as read.

(07:35):
I think that was It's been kind of exaggerated out
of the importance. I'm much entirely sure Nigel meant what
it's been understood, as I do think Nigel is open
to deportation within within the bounds of possibility. But Rupert
Low himself is going full scale on deportation. And it

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made me think when we talk about that, what is
specifically are we referring to and it is it even possible?
And before we get into it, I want to play
a video here of Donald Trump, who's also big on deportation,

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and he released this video from the White House yesterday
and it's about get this a deportation app. Now, you know,
you can get an app to like keep your fit,
and you can get an app that helps you to
identify what kind of weeds are growing in your garden,

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and you can get an app to you know, identify
rocks or something like that. Well, this is an app
to help you to deport Let's play the video.

Speaker 2 (08:54):
People in our country illegally can self deport the easy way,
or they can get deported the heart way, and that's
not pleasant. The Biden administration exploited the CPP one app
to allow more than one million aliens to illegally enter
the United States. Now, my administration is launching the CPP

(09:15):
Home app to give people in our country illegally an
easy way to leave now and self deport voluntarily. If
they do, they could potentially have the opportunity to return
legally at some point in the future. But if they
do not avail themselves of this opportunity, then they will
be found, they will be deported, and they will never

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be admitted again to the United States ever. Ever again,
Ye're never coming in. Using the CBP Home app to
leave the United States voluntarily is the safest option for
illegal aliens our law enforcement. This also saves the us
S taxpayer dollars and valuable CPP and ICE resources, and

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all of those resources are necessary to focus on dangerous
criminal aliens, and that's what we're focused on. The UCBP
Home app is now available free across all mobile app stores,
and I encourage those who have violated our laws to
use this option today. Do it right and come back

(10:20):
into our country. Do it wrong, and you'll never be
back again.

Speaker 1 (10:30):
I love that. I love that an app to self
deport absolutely fantastic. But unlike a fitness app okay, where
you can download the fitness app and forget all about it.
If you download the self deport app, you do have
to deport. You literally do have to go through the

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motions and actually head down to San Antono and over
the border again. So that's a great advance in what
I'm calling deportation technology. And think of the money that
can be made if you're an investor put your money

(11:12):
into deportation technology. You heard it here first, okay, because
there's going to be a lot of money in getting
all the people who shouldn't be here out of the country,
and a deportation app is just the beginning. And they've
even got a snappy slogan. You can get it from
all Mobile all Mobile stores and it's do it the

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Easy way or get deported the hard way. Fantastic, fantastic.
They're even coming up with slogans now for deportation do
it the easy way or get deported the hard way.
And the thinking here is if you self deport you
download it, you inform the authorities of your legal existence

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in the country, and so you're identifying yourself. I'm not
sure if it can track you with you know, GPS
or not, but if it's got your mobile phone number,
it will be able to track you with GPS. It's
just a matter of whether it's legal or not. Hopefully

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it will do that, and so it will be able
to watch your transition or at least the movement of
your phone to the border. And then presumably when you're
over the border, you do a selfie wherever and you
prove that you've self deported, and then you will be

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allowed to come back at some time in the future,
but only legally. Okay. So that's that's the incentive. If
you're here illegally, you can go back home and tell
everybody self deport and then try to come in legally.
And you may or may not get in legally, but
you can at least try to come in legally, whereas

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if you don't report yourself, then you're going to be
tracked down, you're going to be found, you're going to
be shipped out, and you're never coming back in. You're
not coming back in ever again. As Donald Trump said. There,
So that's that's a great that's a great innovation in

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deportation technology, okay, And there must surely be more innovations
to come. And I would if I was Elon Musk,
I would be forgetting about trying to populate Mars, because
that's just like a pipe dream. I would be like,
the money is in deportation, that's where it's in now
as well, so and put your money and investment into

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all of that and see to see that. Look just
change in the brain there from deportation. That's terrible. Who
would do that? To Deportation is the talk of the town.
Everybody's doing it absolutely. That's how we change, That's how

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we change mentalities and we make it acceptable. So here
in the UK, for example, who can we actually deport?
And that's this is what keeps me up at night, right,
this is what I spend my life thinking about. It's like,
who can we deport? I know, how do we do it?

(14:33):
Write that one down? This is what I do. I
should get paid for this. I should get paid for this.
The government should be paying me to do this. Anyway,
I've come up with the various people who can and
should be deported. And the first thing you have to
understand is the concept of citizenship. Like if you're a

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British citizen and you're not a citizen of any other country,
then it's really difficult to deport you, okay, because it's
to deport you to another country, say Anywhere Ireland. Why
should Anywhere Ireland take you if you're not a citizen

(15:18):
of Anywhere Island. That's maybe where you came from in
the past, But they're not going to take you back
if you're not a citizen of that country. They might
if you somehow give them enough cash or something like that,
but normally a country is not going to take somebody
who's not a citizen. So once people become British citizens

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and forego any other kind of citizenship, it is really hard,
if not impossible, to deport them because you would have
to strip them of British citizenship prior to deportation, and
it is generally regarded against international law that you can't
render somebody's state plus in that way. So if somebody

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is just a British citizen and nothing else, then it's
virtually impossible to deport them unless they want to go
away themselves. You know, maybe they can be encouraged to leave,
to go to another country, to live in another country
and then eventually take that country's citizenship. Okay, that's really

(16:24):
the only way you can do it. You can't do it.
You can't do it, and you can't force them, but
you can maybe encourage them to leave until such time
as they move to another country and adopt that country's
citizenship over a period of years. That's really the only

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way you're getting rid of people like who are British
citizens and nothing else. JEE citizens, however, are a different matter.
If you're a dual citizen of Britain and a dual
citizen of anywhere I'll and then you can be stripped
of your British citizenship because you're still got the citizenship

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of anywhere Ireland, and anywhere Ireland is obliged to take
you because you are a citizen of that country, you're
still a citizen of that country. So Jewel's citizens can
be stripped of their British citizenship and told to leave
to their other country of nationality. That's perfectly legal, that's

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perfectly within the law, and it's one of the reasons
why I personally support the idea of Jee's citizenship, because,
as I always say, it makes it easier to deport people.
And the other classification, of course, is simply a foreign citizen.
Somebody who's here doesn't have British citizenship and simply holds
the citizenship of their previous country that they came from.

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They can always go back, they can always be deported
to that other country of citizenship. So the two peoples
that we can deport are dual citizens and foreign citizens.
That's easy to do. There's nothing illegal about that. In fact,
that's just been the way of humanity for hundreds of years.

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And so if we look at those two categories, dual
citizens and foreign citizens, what sort of people would be
worthy of being involuntarily deported. That's what we're talking about here.
We're not talking about self deportation. We're talking about involuntary
deportation of those people, and they would fall into they

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would fall into five categories. And the first category is
what's called inadmissible asylum seekers. That's people who rock up
at Dover and you say to them, you're not getting
in because just because we don't like your face. It

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could be as easy as that. Because it is within
British law, and it is within un refugee law that
we can simply say that an asylum claim is inadmissible,
even if that person is a genuine refugee. We can
do that. The only requirement upon us is that we

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don't send that person back to some place where he
or she is in danger, but we can say you're inadmissible.
That is, we can say to them, you don't have
to go home, but you can't stay here. And these
are people who can be involuntarily deported someplace else that

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agrees to take them within the UN Refugee Convention, so
that's inadmissible. Asylum Seekers can be deport to what's called
safe third countries, whether that's back to France or whether
it's to Rwanda or Ascension Island or wherever, and we

(20:11):
should be doing that a lot more. Obviously. The second
category of person is failed asylum seekers, which is people
who have come in at Dover and we've said, okay,
we are going to admit your claim, we're going to
investigate it, and we're going to make a decision on it,

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and of course that can take weeks, months, usually years unfortunately,
and if we decide at the end of the day
that no, you don't have a case, your asylum claim
is now officially ended. You have to leave. And these
people can be encouraged to self deport. They can. In

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my view, they should be given money to leave. They
don't have to go home, but they can't stay here
is the phrase. You don't have to go home, but
you can't stay here, or they should be involuntarily deported
if they're not going to play ball. So that's the

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second category, failed asylum seekers. The third category is what
we call clandestine illegos. That is people who have snuck in,
They've avoided the proper ports of entry, they've broken the
British law of entry. We've found them and we've said

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what you've done is not acceptable. You have to get
out of here. Clandestine illegos. That's a third category. The
fourth category is visa breaching illegos. That's people who have
come in legally on a work visa or a student visa,

(22:01):
and on these visas it properly tells you what you
can and can't do, and it will also give you
the date at which that visa ends. And what you
find with visa breaching illegals mainly is that these are
people who have stayed on after their visa ended and
their presence in Britain is now illegal. They have to

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go home. They have to be encouraged to self deport
as the first option, and if they want self deport
they have to be involuntarily moved out of the country.
Visa breaching illegos have have stayed in contravention of the

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terms of their visa. And what you'll also find with
some visa breaching illegals is that they're they came in
as a student, they're on a student but they're actually
been caught working. That would also be considered in breach
of their visa. That would also be considered as an

(23:09):
illegal act that they had done. And because they've broken
their visa that way, they have to leave as well.
So visa breaching illegals can be people who have breached
their visas the terms of their visa or the length
of their visa. And the fifth one is the one

(23:32):
that people are really always focused on, which is the
foreign criminals. That's people who have been convicted and it
has to be twelve months or more, who are not
citizens of the United Kingdom, but they're citizens of another country.
They've come here for whatever reason and they've committed a crime.

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They've been sentenced to twelve months or more. They are
met and to be under current law that meant to
be deported. Some of them are deported, but many more
of them need to be deported at the end of
their sentence, however long their sentence may be. And what
you find with a lot of them is these are

(24:15):
the people who are making human rights claims, saying that
they've been in the country. Now they've been in prison
for ten years, but they've married and you know, they've
they've got family commitments here and so on. So these
are the ones who tend to be allowed to stay. Unfortunately,
it's the foreign criminals. Of all the ones, they're the
ones that get almost the best deal in some respects,

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but no, they need to be shifted out as well.
One hundred percent. They need to be shifted out. So
those are the four categories essentially inadmissible asylums, because failed asylums,
because visa breaching illegals, which can be people who have

(24:57):
breached their visa, the terms of their visa, the length
of their visa, and the foreign criminals four or five categories.
If you want to split the visa breachers into two
categories anymore, let me think six essentially six categories, right,

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So these are the ones that a realistic deportation program
needs to be focused in on. And once you start
moving these people out, then what happens as well is
everything else around it changes. People have a different view
of immigration policy. People begin to realize, well, wait a minute,

(25:45):
we're deporting people now. That means we can actually if
we're going that far, there's lots of other things we
could be doing as well, such as basically closing the
borders completely, changing the asylum system completely. You know, all
of these sort of things suddenly become seemingly possible now
that you've actually begun down a new route of serious behavior.

(26:09):
Oxhanna says, we need that app here. Katherine asked how
many people are going to get Trump's app. It's a
good point. Had this discussion with somebody earlier. It's probably
going to be a few percentages of people anyway. Christopher says,
what we need is an app to report suspected illegals.
I like it, somebody taking out of this, and a

(26:31):
border force and government committed to enforcement. Well, we'll speak
about the border force and the government with our guest,
who will be coming up in a couple of minutes. Ash.
I like that. An app to report suspected illegals. Somebody
get working on that. Christopher says, we should offer cash
incentives to get rid of people. Absolutely, cash incentives to

(26:53):
the receiving countries too very much, very much. Foreign aid
should be foreign aid should be focused in order to
help these immigrants who are leaving Britain, to help them
to make their country great again. And you know, we
could call the deportation help make your country great again.

(27:17):
And for every immigrant who deports or self deports back
to their country, will give some money to your country.
Who's going to complain about that? Somebody write that down.
That's a great policy, costing as taxpayers billions a year,
says Derek. Absolutely, there's We published an article on our

(27:41):
Facebook page this afternoon about that find the employees. That's
very true. Also, now, folks, we have got the one
and only Ash, that Preston journalist coming up in thirty seconds.
Please say hello to Ash. Let's bring Ash on.

Speaker 2 (28:11):
Oho.

Speaker 1 (28:12):
They're ash honest to you well and very well, very well. Indeed,
did you hear what we were talking about there about
the state of border force and the state of our
borders and the amazing work that border force does in

(28:32):
bringing so many people to our country. We really have
to be grateful for the extent to I mean what
the people whenever they book in with the criminal gangs.
They should basically just buy a ticket. Border Force should
basically selling tickets, you know, then that they should have
an outpost in Africa whatever. Just selling tickets for the

(28:53):
Border Force crossing be a lot cheaper than having to
pay the the criminal gangs who probably charged an arm
and a leg. Quite literally, you could just buy a
ticket with Border Force and they'll put you up at
Cali and bring you over MM.

Speaker 3 (29:10):
But like you said, you might as well. I heard
exactly what you're talking about. Yeah, I mean, I don't
know if you know what. I did a video on this,
did a video talking about these people border Force or
border forces most people like to refer to them as.
And they're actually going on strike over this. They were
on strikeover having unworkable hours and things like that. And
it's unfortunately it's something the Heathrow the people who work

(29:31):
at Heathrow Airport who are going on strike. But it's
how the last time they went on strike, the airport's
actually ran smooth. It there was less cues because they
brought the army in people who you know, they brought
the royalgistics coring and people out from the army and
they actually ran the place really well. There was no

(29:51):
strike action, there was no cues. Things actually went better.
Maybe as well, you know, maybe the ones who were
really referring to here that bring over the people in
the small boats could also go on strike, because that
would do us a massive favor and stop people going
out and actually collecting these people in these boats that
are as one of your commenters just rightly said, costing
is an absolute fortune for every It's about forty grand

(30:15):
per person the costing the taxpayer every single year when
they're putting to these hotels. They get the spending money, cigarettes,
god knows what else. So for every five hundred people,
that's another twenty million quid added to the bill for
the taxpayer. And we're getting five hundred a day easily
some days coming over. Some days it's more than that.

(30:36):
And there just isn't the political will to try and
stop these people coming over the channel. Nobody's interested. I'm
not being party politically. I don't care if it's Labor Tories,
Lib Dems, Greens, SMP, go through them all. They don't care.
They're not bothered. They're happy for this to go ahead.
With the exception of a few that you might hear
speaking out like you Sweller Bratherman's and people are, but

(30:57):
they're very much on the fringes, and every other party
seems more than happy to allow this to just keep happening.
Labor said they were going to cut down on the
number of hotels that they were using. It's gone up
by a third and now they're looking for more. There's
just no there's no one going to stop this, and well,
maybe one party will, or at least I don't know.

(31:17):
I'm not giving a political broadcast for REFORMIA. Well, at
least it's a fresh party with fresh ideas. Maybe they'd
do something, maybe they wouldn't, maybe they'd fail, but maybe
it's worth giving them a goal to stop what's been
happening for the last decade, decade after decade.

Speaker 1 (31:32):
Absolutely well, we we wrote an article which will put
up in the in the in the threads this week
actually on Sunday, and we've we've we've read a lot
about the channel crossing crossings and how best to stop them,

(31:53):
and some very well intentioned people have come up with
the idea of well, under the UN the UN Convention,
we can't stop them making the crossing, but we can
try to dissuade them. We can try to tell them,
for example, that if you do come across, you're going
to get processed in Rwanda, or you're going to be

(32:15):
what the Tory idea was, you'll get rendered in admissible
and under the UN Convention that means you're not getting
into the country. But we can't send you back to
the particular country that you claim to be unsafe in,
but we can send you to a safe third country.
So some people have said Rwanda. And another policy the

(32:39):
think tank called Policy Exchange suggested processing in the British
overseas territory of Ascension Island, and then from Ascension Island
farming them out around the world to whatever countries will
take them and so on. And these are all very
well intentioned ideas created within the limits of Britain's membership

(33:01):
of the UN Convention. But really, at the end of
the day, can we imagine with the hundreds of people crossing,
and let's say it still went down because not everybody
wants to get sent to Rwanda, Say it just came
down to just to a few thousand a year instead
of tens of thousands of year, that's still a huge effort.
I mean, is it really going and is any party

(33:24):
going to build holding centers in Ascension Island and so on,
And it just seemed to me just ridiculous. So we
just came up with the ideas look entry into the
UK by illegal methods is against the nineteen seventy one
Immigration Act. The only reason we're not prosecuting every single
person that comes across on the boats from Cali is

(33:48):
because under the UN Convention they are not considered to
be illegal. That's not considered to be an illegal entry
under the UN Convention, so they are allowed to do that.
They're just actually exercising their legal right, and that's under
the UN Refugee Convention. So what we need to do

(34:09):
is we need to come out of the UN Refugee Convention.
And when we come out of it, then we can
treat the asylum crossers as we treat any other illegal entrant,
as we treat any other person who comes in avoiding
the proper ports of entry and comes in avoiding the
proper VISA restrictions and so on. We can treat them

(34:30):
as criminals and we can send them to prison. And
if we started sending everybody to prison who comes across
it's be a matter of days and that traffic would end.
It would end. So that's really we can stop it
in a very simple way. We come out of the
UN Refugee Convention and that then enables us to criminalize

(34:53):
the channel crossers and send them to prison, and that
will stop it what's needed.

Speaker 3 (35:01):
It absolutely would, And you're talking too much common sensor
for our political class. Unfortunately, you've actually, you know, unlike
a lot of these politicians, you've done your research. You
know exactly what can be done to stop this. And
I'll give the toys a little bit of credit. I
think Rwanda was having a slight effect. It was starting
to do. You know, people with these illegals were trying
to get over to Ireland and they were doing because

(35:22):
it was having an effect. Then of course Starmer comes in,
the Darlick of Downing Street as I call him, and
he's a complete automaton. If it's international law, then we
must follow it. We can't deviate from anything, and no
country does that. Even the EU countries don't stick to
UN conventions. They don't even stick to their own ECHR,
France and Germany do what the hell they like, you know,

(35:43):
So why are we sticking to it so closely when
we're supposed to have left the awful EU. It's stormers
just so determined to cause it back up to the EU.
He'll do whatever. If that means taking hundreds of thousands
or millions of illegal immigrants, then he will do what.
I heard Alex Phillips the other day talking and she said,
why don't we call the French's bluff. We've given them

(36:04):
what half a billion quid anyway, and they've done precisely
nothing with it. We know there's even French border officials
having lots of drinks and food and that in Calais
on the British taxpayer. That's where the money's going. These
people are living quite a decent life there. And she said,
why don't we get a boat one day, whether it
be an r N l I or a Royal Navy

(36:26):
ship saily over to France, drop these people off back
on Calais beach, come back and then leave them there
and see what the French do. They'll do nothing. Are
they going to declare war? No, But I'll tell you what,
they might start taking their own border more seriously. Because
France I don't entirely blame and France are happy for
these people to get on these dinghies and come over

(36:48):
here because then they're not their problem anymore. There are
a problem. And then, of course, I mean what sort
of government again, successive ones thinks it's a sensible policy
to basically advertise to the world that you're the biggest
soft touch in the entire world. So when you come
to Britain, you're not going to get what you're get
in France, which is basically bread and water and a tent.
You're going to get a hotel, as I said, You're

(37:10):
going to get cigarettes, spending money, mobile phones. It's just
really it's just been revealed that we spent over a
million quid on SIM cards for these people, and that
the government's got the goal to attack disabled people over
personal independent personal independence payments and things like that to
save five billion quid in five years time. We've got
twelve thousand foreign criminals sitting in British jails. We've got

(37:34):
countries that are willing to take these criminals back. The
Pakistani authorities have told Britain will take these people. It's
no problem because they are such a big problem with
grooming etc. In Pakistan. But it's now a crime. And
they've said send them all over here are there are
problems they were Our citizens will take them, it's no problem.
If they've got dual nationality, will take them. But then,

(37:56):
you know, like you just said, the UN or the
ecchr winter Ben and say, oh, well, what about their
right to a family life, what about their right to
you know, not be sent to a country where they're
going to be not ostracized. What's the word, you know,
punished for their crimes elsewhere you deserve to be punished.
That these people are breaking the law, like you just said,
and that every one of them. I don't care if

(38:18):
their criminals are not. They are breaking the law by
coming into this country. It's even an offense under British
law to get into this country without having any documentation.
Yet all our laws get ignored, and some judge in
Strasbourg or some judge at the UN overrules us every
single time, and it's discussed and labor trying to say

(38:38):
that sending these people home, we've we've deported nineteen thousand.
They say, well they haven't. What they're actually doing is
paying these people thousands of pounds of taxpayers money per
person to go to another country. That's all that's happening.
And as for Awanda, like you mentioned before, those facilities
that we built, which was at least two hundred million,
I think we're sent over there the EU on our

(39:00):
instid of being using them themselves to send their only
legal immigrants over the ones that don't get over here.
Of course, absolutely incredible with such an idiotic country these days.

Speaker 1 (39:09):
It's that's right. And unfortunately what's happened in the last
since these international agreements came in in the fifties and
sixties is that massive industries have grown up. Legal industries
have grown up around this, and all that happens with
these laws is they get expanded to take in more,

(39:33):
to take in more examples. As it were, like the
law never narrows to a specific point. The law always
just expands like a gas to take in all sorts
of new situations that have that have arisen. So it's
just it just grows, it grows and grows. So the
legal precedence and court cases under the ECHR and the

(39:57):
UN Refugee Convention, they just expand and exp and to
take in ever more examples of things, to the point
where the law is so much more expansive than it
ever was even intended to be in the first place,
and more and more lawyers are coming in exploiting more
and more cases. There's tens of thousands of asylum appeals

(40:20):
being still to be heard in the United Kingdom, and
these are not like the first time they've heard it.
This is they've heard the person's been turned down and
they've got the right of appeal, and the appeal then
goes on for literally years. Now. One thing that I
would do, and what I advocate, is simply abolished the

(40:43):
right of appeal for asylum cases. You get one, you
get one chance, you get one go at it and
if you don't like it, too bad, you know. But
this whole that, the right of somebody staying in the
United Kingdom and appealing, that's not even required within the
UN Refugee Convention. Now, the UN Refugee Convention, it does

(41:05):
talk about appeals, but it's presuming the person's going to
make an appeal back in the country that they've been
sent to. So the right of in country appeals in
UK appeals, it's not even required in the UN Refugee Convention.
So you look at things like that and you realize
the power that the legal lobby has had to put

(41:25):
forward its ideas into the heads and into the voting
patterns of totally unthinking politicians who have no clue about anything.
It's amazing the power that these legal professions have managed
to wangle. And we're living with the consequences right now,
and that whole system does just need to be broken down.

(41:47):
That's why I say the only way is just to
say to the legal profession, Okay, guess what tomorrow will
even the un refugee Convention? Too bad for your law company.
I'm afraid you're going to go out a bit business.
Isn't that sad? Maybe get a proper job trying to
do something positive for the country that I approach to things.

Speaker 3 (42:09):
I think you're absolutely right. I'd take away any legal
aid for these people. If these solicitors are so keen
to represent these people because they're so lovely, so holier
than now, then I'll tell you what. You do it
on a no way, no fee basis simple, and you
don't you get one shot, like you just said, no appeals,
no nothing. If you've been in another country, there was one,

(42:30):
wasn't there recently who committed offenses against children in whatever
country you'd come from, and then he was afraid to
be sent back to that country because he was going
to be punished for whatever he'd done to innocent children
in that case. So what happened then was he was
allowed to stay in this country. I don't care if
you've committed that sort of crime and you're afraid of

(42:50):
being sent home, rightly so, and you should be afraid,
and you deserve to face the justice where you committed
that crime. But of course no, they're allowed to stay
in Britain. Once again. We said that chicken nugget one
the other week, didn't it. These people are mental, these judge.
The whole system needs a massive reform. The judges are horrendous.
They believe all this crap. The UN believes it. All

(43:11):
we have to do is we don't even have to
come out of the u n We just ignore them.
We just say forget it. We don't care what you say.
We're sending these people back to where they came from.
And what are the UN gonna do we pay for them?
Just say sot off. You know, well, we'll stop paying
billions towards you. We've got all this foreign ad that
goes all over the world, Alixair. We can say to
a country, I don't care who you know, whoever it

(43:32):
might be. Just take an example, take India. So we
say we've got some Indian criminals here, and then India
say we're not taking them back. Then we say, right, well,
we're pulling the billion quid or whatever we give you, you know,
having it anymore. This is this is what we can.
You can use a soft power, but they don't. They
just choose not to, and we just keep taking them
and taking them. And why because these politicians, these lords

(43:55):
and all the rest of them, the baronesses, they don't
live on the same streets as these people. They don't
have to live along you know, they don't have to
send their son or daughter to a school where there's
a hotel might be nearby that gets stuffed full of
illegal immigrants that then potentially pauses a risk to their children.
That they don't have to go through any of that.
And that's why they don't care.

Speaker 1 (44:17):
One one hundred percent. And what you said said there
as well is about Britain's power in the United Nations.
I mean, we're one of the biggest members, contributors and
members of the UN like what Britain says matters. So
Britain can say to the UN, no, we don't like
this anymore, we don't like your your nineteen sixty seven

(44:41):
UN Refugee Convention, which was the last time it was updated.
Like nineteen sixty seven, the world was completely different, almost
before the age. Well there was jet aircraft in nineteen
sixty seven, obviously, but I mean it was only in
its infancy, really had only been going for a few years.
So you know, we can flex, can flex on the UN,

(45:02):
and we can say no, you're gonna have to listen
to us if you want to be taken seriously. But
that requires like a nationalist minded politician, not a globalist
minded politician, which is what we've got at the moment.
These are all like that. They're concerned more about the
international order rather than the order here in here in

(45:23):
the United Kingdom. Definitely, So I mentioned earlier in the
program as well as people say Britain's got a moat
around it and so it should be easy to maintain
the borders, and that's true to an extent, but it's
also a bit of a burden because what that means
is like if you're a landlocked country, you can literally

(45:45):
build a wall along your border, like what America is
trying to do. You can literally stand at the border
there's somebody a few yards away, and you can say no,
you can't come in, turn around and walk the other way,
and you can literally do that with armed guards and
the whole carry on. But in Britain, which is an island,
we're actually got what the un itself calls an unduly

(46:09):
heavy burden, an unduly heavy geographical burden, because we can't
build a wall. So if somebody rocks up at dover
climbs off a dinghy, we reasonably cannot turn the dinghy
around and push them out to see again. I know
lots of us would like to do that, but you know,
reasonably we can't do that. But if we could stand

(46:32):
at a border wall and reasonably say no, walk that way,
because we know the person's just going to walk back
to whether they came from. But when you're actually got water,
that's an unduly heavy geographic burden that disadvantages us at
the end of the at the end of the day,
in the modern world order, it wouldn't disadvantages back in

(46:54):
the sixteen hundreds, or the fifteen hundreds when we could
just like shut them out of a sea with a cannon.
But I mean the days it does disadvantages because we
literally can't push them back out to see so we
are obliged to take them in. And so there's possibly
another reason why they all get here is because we
have not realized that. We should have realized that. The
time to realize that was in twenty eighteen when they

(47:16):
started coming and everybody was like, what we going to
do now, what we're going to do now? We should
have realized, oh, kriche, we're at a disadvantage here because
of this channel. So what this means is we're going
to have to withdraw right now from the UN Refugee
Convention and just criminalize this crossing, just criminalize this method
of entry and say anybody who does this method of

(47:37):
entry will get straight put in our prison for several years.
And that would have stopped it. But we couldn't do
that because we were a member of the UN Refugee
Convention and we remain a member of the UN Refugee Convention.
But until we do that, it's not going to change.

Speaker 3 (47:53):
That would be my message. Sorry, while we've got these
globalists in charge. It's not going to happen, is it.
It's definitely not going to happen. In the Star, it
was never gonna happen under Boris Johnsons, He's soon act,
Theresa May, David Cameron, Tony Blur, Gordon Brown, you know
all these prime ministers. It would never happen under any
of them because they all believe essentially the same thing,

(48:14):
like you said before, the world Order, international law and
now that's all that matters to them. The Britain, British people, culture,
you name, it doesn't matter to them one little bit.
You know, just look at a country like Poland just
goes to show you can defend your borders if you
want to. Anybody can go on the internet and look
at videos of Poland. They've got the army there and

(48:34):
if those legal immigrants cross that border, they get shot,
not with a rubber bullet, they get shot and they
get killed and they know it, and they don't cross
that border. They'll stand there all day shouting abuse of
the soldiers. Sometimes they get water cannons and smoke bonding stuff,
but they don't cross that border. And you know that
if more countries had to resolve of Poland, this whole

(48:56):
migrant crisis would be over, it'd be finished because no
can she would take them, especially the ones he will
that are on the front line of this, which does
include Poland, because they're coming through Russia, through Belarus then
going into Poland, or you've got them coming over the
over the med So Italy, she's Maloney's been very strong.
She's got crossings down by sixty three percent. I think

(49:17):
it is Greece is turning the boats back now. So
some of these countries are actually doing their job. But
then you've got the morons like Spain. That's because they've
got a socialist government. They're happy to take these people in.
You've even got the EU talking about building a tunnel
believe it or not, between Morocco and Spain. Could you

(49:37):
imagine dangerous? Could you imagine what would happen there? You
might as well just open everything. You might as well
just say refugees, welcome me, go what you want, because
that's just inviting then more Africans. They don't even have
to cross the channel in a small boat. All they've
got to do is walk up. It's a long way,
but all you've got to do is walk all the
way there and you just go straight into the EU

(49:59):
and then the end up in Britain. It's just remarkable.
Everyone thought Donald Tusk was going to be a disaster
for pauland so did I because he's such a urophile.
But tell you what, he's doing the job on the border.
He's not suffering up and he's not letting these people
in to destroy Polish culture, rape Polish children or anything
of that nature. He's keeping tough and that's why Poland

(50:20):
has the lowest crime rates in the EU.

Speaker 1 (50:23):
That's that's interesting to know. And I wonder to what
extent and I don't really, I don't know anything about
Polish politics, but I wonder toward extent that is because
he may be threatened by a party that's that's even
stronger than his views, and so he feels that he
has to cater to that attitude, you know. And that's

(50:44):
that's what you find with politicians as well, though, when
they realize, oh there's a party that could take votes
from us, then maybe we're going to have to get
serious about their issues. And today I saw a Tory
MP called Neil O'Brien. Then we've got a tweet that
he made, which will just put up. And I know

(51:06):
this guy there is there Neil O'Brien, to paraphrase Tony Blair,
the next government must be about deportation, deportation, deportation. Now
that's a Tory MP saying that. That's amazing. Really, I mean,
I don't think that maybe you'd have to go back
to the nineteen fifties to find a Tory MP that
actually said that out loud, other than you know Powell,

(51:30):
of course, but for that to actually for a Tory
MP to be saying that, I mean, he's he's saying that,
let's admit it, he's a Tory MP, and he knows
that he's threatened by reform and so he's saying those things.
But that's at least good. That's at least good. That's
he's helping to mainstream what I like to call the
deportation conversation and capital D, capital C, the deportation conversation,

(51:56):
a conversation we all have to have. And I'm interested
here Gorilla TV channel, which is a great YouTube channel
and TV is a great chat we've met and we
think it's what's fantastic because having personally been deported the
deportation process. It's not bad if it's done quickly.

Speaker 3 (52:15):
Well.

Speaker 1 (52:15):
I don't know what you're talking about there, but no
doubt you can. You can tell us and maybe we'll
get you on the show to explain your deportation conversation
that you had with the authorities. But yeah, it's coming
up to five to the hour now. You've got a
YouTube channel and it's YouTube dot com Forward slash at

(52:43):
Preston journalist. All one word, how's that coming along? I
know you had a wee bit of a hiccup with it.

Speaker 3 (52:51):
Yeah, it's getting it's getting there slowly. We're back up
to not far off thirty thousand now, so getting getting
there slowly.

Speaker 1 (52:59):
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Speaker 3 (53:39):
I just wanted to say, Ding dong the witch. He's
dead and I'm so glad that Sturge and he's stepping
down as an MSP's have that.

Speaker 1 (53:46):
Absolutely. We didn't get time to talk about the Sturge,
but it looks like the Sturge has purged herself and
to the great relief of the thinking Scottish voters, I
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(54:08):
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