Good Evening Britain with Alistair McConnachie Ep 145. 2 July 2025

Alistair McConnachie of pro-UK unionist campaign group and think tank, A Force For Good (AFFG), and viewers discuss:
0:00 Welcome.
3:10 1st July 1916, the Battle of the Somme.
6:55 Pics from our Street Stall at the weekend.
10:11 Vol 2 of A Big Book for the Union is now at the designer - thanks to those who are donating at https://www.crowdfunder.co.uk/summer2025
15:18 The reality of "the markets" - they are real people, not "a formless power".
25:16 Why is it "the Bank of England" when it should be called "the British Central Bank"?
28:41 The British Central Bank wants your suggestions for designs on a range of new notes - link below.
30:39 GUEST Damien Davies: Topics include: Local Reform MP; inadequate sentencing; "rioting" versus "protesting"; is this the thinking behind Ben Habib's new "Party"; the open border with the Republic of Ireland; "asylum shopping"; British Central Bank notes appeal; will it encompass themes from all over the UK; Alan Turing; Charles Dickens; will they go with "woke" themes; James VI of Great Britain; Queen Anne; the UK is a nation.
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This is the 145th episode of "Good Evening Britain" broadcast on Wednesday 2nd July 2025.

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
Hello, and welcome to Good Evening Britain, a Force for
Goods weekly show coming to you live from our studios
here in the heart of the great British city of Glasgow,
with me your host, Alistair mcconachie. We are broadcasting on

(00:20):
all our digital platforms throughout the United Kingdom and across
the world. We're bringing you quality pro UK comment and
analysis every Wednesday from seven until eight pm on Facebook,
on YouTube, on x and also on TikTok. Folks, this

(00:44):
is our one hundred and forty fifth show tonight, which
has to count for something, right. We began this on
the twelfth of January nineteen sorry, twelfth of January twenty
twenty two, and so we've been going for three and

(01:07):
a half years now and we're not going to stop.
No sign of slowing down, no sign of stopping and
in some ways we're just getting started. So it's great
to be with you again tonight. Please do send in
your comments, Please tell us where you're watching from, send

(01:30):
in your greetings on this relatively sunny, great British evening,
and please remember we have got a guest coming up
at the bottom of the hour. It's Damien Davies from
Cheshire Cat Musings, which is a popular YouTube channel which

(01:54):
she created not very long ago, and it's already going
great guns. We've had Dave Damian on a couple of
times before. He is our man in the British constituency
of Runcorn and Helsby, which of course was in the news,
and the last time he was on was at the
time that the reform candidate actually won that by election.

(02:19):
So who will be back on to tell us what
the lay of the land is like in run Corn
and Helsby, as well as to discuss the week's news
and other interesting facts. So stick around for that at
twelve at seven thirty. Good stuff now a lot to
talk about tonight. Quite a bit has been happening. The

(02:41):
first thing I just want to bring your attention to,
which you will not have been able to miss, is
this extraordinarily good flag in the background. Battle of the Song,
Lest we forget one hundred and ten year anniversary commemoration.
The Battle of the Song began, of course, yesterday first

(03:03):
of July in nineteen sixteen, and it lasted until the
eighteenth of November of that year, bought between the armies
of the British Empire and the Germans around the River
Somme in France, and it has certainly gone down as

(03:23):
one of the deadliest battles of all time in the
history of the world. And incredibly there was over fifty
seven thousand casualties in the British Army on the first day,
with over nineteen thousand dead British troops on the first day,

(03:51):
and particularly hit where the thirty sixth Ulstudy which formed
around thirteen battalions. And we've got a painting here of

(04:11):
the Battle of the Somme. That painting is by James
Beadle and it hangs in Belfast City Hall at the moment.
And the officer there with his arm in the air,
would you believe is a nineteen year old called Francis Thornley,

(04:36):
who was subsequently injured but lived, survived the war, and
indeed that picture was painted with him helping to recollect
it to the actual painter. In the background there you
see a chat with a wee orange flag, and believe

(04:58):
it or not, that's a mark to tell the troops
how far that they've advanced the others. There at the
front with the green bags seem to be throwing grenades
that are carrying in these in these bags, and on
the on the far left of the painting, it looks

(05:19):
like Germans. It's as if these fellows have actually rushed
through the German trenches and are now behind enemy lines
as it were. But goodness made back in those days
the lines didn't move very far or very often. Okay,

(05:45):
so we're just remembering that with this, with this, with
this flag, so that it's not going to be forgotten.
The Battle of the Somme first of July nineteen sixteen,
one hundred and ten years ago. Okay, well, what have

(06:06):
we been up to this week? We had a very
good street stall in the heart of the great British
city of Glasgow on Saturday. Saturday was Armed Forces Day,
so we had the Armed Forces Day flag flying. We've
got a few pictures here that we can go through
of our stall. That's the Armed Forces Day flag, which

(06:31):
again we've caught in a very nice furral with the
sun shining on it. That's really quite dramatic and it
looked very dramatic on the top of our six meter
flag pole for everybody in Argyle Street to see. Okay,

(06:55):
that's four of our seven man team. That was just
early on. There was another another three people would join
us later in the day. We love the great British
city of Glasgow, as it says there, the stall was
very busy all the time, very busy, as you can see,

(07:17):
lots of people interested, people being attracted by our flags
to find out what we're about. Well, we're only too
happy to tell them. That's me in the background there
with my new red jacket. Right, let's go back to
the last picture. Tell me what you think of my
red jacket. I got that from John Lewis. Okay, it's

(07:42):
not quite a jacket and it's not quite a shirt.
It's it's somehow, it's somehow half and half, but it's
got lots of pockets and it's perfect. Certainly makes me
stand out as well. I think it was the person
on the whole of Argyle Street that morning. Okay, next

(08:09):
picture is just our flags there we go. Can't miss those,
can't miss those. People always come up and just say
how much they like to see the British flag flying.
Makes a change from some of the foreign flags of
various nations which are flown these days in the center
of Glasgow. So people are always relieved. I think when

(08:31):
they visit our stalls like they literally do say thank
goodness to see to see it, they really do to
remind them the still British people left. Okay, and there
you go. There's our trademark, our trademark T shirt close

(08:54):
up of the red Jacket comes shirt, which I'm loving,
by the way, absolutely loving. Okay, good good. So that
was the work that we did at the weekend. We're
also going to be out again this coming weekend, so
keep an eye out for us. Then we as we say,
we don't stop doing it. Another thing I'm very pleased

(09:19):
to tell you about is we've finally been able today
with thanks to the people who have donated to our crowdfunder,
which is going along the bottom pier, we've been able
to get our new book to the designer. So we

(09:44):
had planned to get it to the designer for today
and give it ten day turnaround. So we're well on
schedule and we've only been able to get it to
the designer because of the extra funds that have come
in as a consequence of our crowdfunder at crowdfunder dot

(10:07):
co dot uk. Forward Slash Summer twenty twenty five and
we're entering now the final week of the crowdfunder. We
are we're going to be We're at forty three percent
of our needs for the next six months. Let's try
to hit seventy five percent. Seventy five percent by this

(10:32):
time next Wednesday when the crowdfunder closes. If we can
do that, we should have enough to get us through
for the following six months. So folks, let's put up
the crowdfunder. There we go, crowdfunder dot co dot UK
forward slash Summer twenty twenty five. Anything that you can

(10:53):
put in there, guys, very very welcome, will help us,
will help our efforts. Well, I've sort of touched on
this before, but this, if you are the Chancellor of
the Exchequer, you might actually be surprised at how little

(11:14):
power you actually have. Because if you recall Liz Truss,
I think we all recall her. She wrote a book
which I always returned to, called Ten Years to Save
the West. Now, if we ignore the clickbait title of
which she has got very little to say about saving
the West, if we ignore her various foreign foreign policies

(11:39):
prescriptions which are not really worth the time of day,
but if we concentrate on what she says about behind
the scenes and how Westminster operates, it really is a
really is a remarkable read and a surprising read as well.
And basically what she's saying is, if you get into power,

(12:00):
you've got very little power, because the power lies with
the civil servants and what she calls the technocratic state,
which is to say, the so called Bank of England,
the government quangos like the Office of Budget Responsibility and
the various heads of these departments, as well as various

(12:23):
financial economists and so on, who are really making all
the running. And today, for example, as a consequence of
Rachel Reeves crying, the markets panicked, and the question is always, really,

(12:45):
who are these markets that are panicking? And I heard
Robert Jenrick today on Twitter. He was saying, oh, the
markets are panicking, and this is the problem of Rachel Reeves,
and he was talking of them markets as if they
are some sort of intangible, amorphous, formless intelligence, as if

(13:09):
they all as if there are guiding star that we
always have to follow and worse even bow down in
front of this unusual intelligence that nobody understands. The markets
have to be pacified. The markets we all have to
follow the markets and worship at the feet of the markets. Well,

(13:31):
this is all just nonsense, because, as Liz Trusts of
all people points out, the markets are just people. They're
actors in the economic field who are following their own
particular interests and sometimes using their financial power to move
things in their direction. And that should not that they

(13:56):
should not have that power. Firstly, we should not be
worshiping them markets as an amorphous intelligence or imagining that
it is. And secondly, the politicians should be dominating the markets,
telling the people with the money, this is what we're
going to do, and not be getting panicked when the

(14:17):
markets create a fuss. She says here page two hundred
and fifty seven. Liz Trusts, this, I think is the
key to understanding why I was ultimately unable to deliver
on my mandate and why my premiership ended the way
it did. I came to realize that there is no

(14:39):
such thing as the market in this sense. Rather, there
are groups of influential individuals in the financial establishment, all
of whom know and speak to one another in a
closed feedback loop. The Treasury, the Bank of England and

(15:01):
the Office of Budget Responsibility are deeply embedded in these
social and professional networks and share the same belief in
the established economic orthodoxy. It is a classic example of groupthink.
Then she says here, over time, this group has moved

(15:23):
to the left, adopting net zero goals and diversity targets,
while arguably neglecting many of their core duties, such as
the Bank of England's responsibility to keep down inflation and
maintain financial stability. So, in other words, what she's trying to.

Speaker 2 (15:40):
Do there is to is to tell us that these
are real people, with real names and addresses, and we,
as politicians who have been democratically elected, should not be
worshiping at their feet.

Speaker 1 (15:55):
We should not be worshiping at the feet of the markets.
And I get quite animated about this because one of
the chapters in the book, which has just gone to
the Designer today, four thousand word chapter about the markets
and about how if we want to bring in our
immigration restriction measures, we will have to fight the markets.

(16:19):
And if we worship at the feet of the markets,
and if the markets suggest to us that we cannot
actually do that, then we will succumb to the power
of that financial establishment. So we have to understand that
these people are not beyond approach. These people will do
what we tell them to do, and if they do
not do what we tell them to do, tough luck

(16:40):
for them, because we're doing it any way. So we
have to lower the power of the financial establishment in
the minds of the people before we can get anything done,
before we can get real change brought through, whether that's
your listrus type of that's right changes, whether it's left winges,

(17:00):
whether it's our immigration restriction changes. We have to put
the market in its place. We have to say that
the economy must serve the people. The people are not
here to serve the economy, and certainly not to serve
the masters of the financial establishment. So that's a flavor

(17:26):
of some of what will appear in our book, which
you can tell is really going to be quite radical,
because this is a fight for the nation's future and
one of the things that is going to save Britain
is putting the market and the powers of the economic
establishment in their place. And they will not like that,

(17:46):
and they will attack us with everything that they've got.
So I can understand that Rachel Reeves, who's probably just
a relatively simple person who has been lucky enough to
get to that position of power because she was maybe
the only person in the labor front bench who had
passed her A level in economics or something like that.

(18:08):
And I'm not actually joking when I say that. So
she's suddenly been propelled into that position. She's got the
might of the financial establishment, many of whom are not
very nice people, on her case every single day. And
she's also got a pretty foolish economic philosophy which makes
no sense. Add all that into the mix, and you're

(18:31):
just going to get the chaos, which is possibly these
days a little bit too much for her. I'm not sympathetic,
I have to say, as Debbie said earlier there it
comes with the territory, comes with the territory. But I
can understand that she would get in that kind of

(18:51):
position of maybe frustration or just fed upness. Now we
have got our friend Damien Davies coming up at seven
point thirty. Before I speak to Damien, I just want
I mentioned the Bank of England there. Now I've got

(19:14):
very strong opinions on the Bank of England on all
sorts of matters. And before I've worked for a force
for good, I worked in the economic world for many
years trying to understand the nature of money and how
it is created, and I produced a newsletter called Prosperity,

(19:37):
Freedom from Debt Slavery for the best part of ten years,
and so I basically know how all of that sort
of stuff works. And the money system is largely a
con which is kept going by the people who have
got a vested interest in making a lot of money.
Out of the way the thing works at the moment.

(19:57):
That aside, however, let's talk about the Bank of England.
We live in the United Kingdom. That bank was nationalized
in nineteen forty six, so it's always been a little
bugbear that's always annoyed me. Why isn't it called the
British Central Bank, Because if you call it the Bank
of England, that totally confuses everybody else and all the

(20:18):
other parts of the country, because lots of people think
in Scotland that the Bank of England is the English
Bank and the Bank of Scotland is the Scottish Bank. Well, no,
it's not the case. There is only one national bank
for all of the UK, and at the moment it's
called the Bank of England. It should really be called
the British Central Bank, the BCB, which is what we

(20:39):
refer to it, and it's what we refer to it
in our magazine, in our upcoming book, as well as
the British Central Bank. Having said that in our magazine
here Union Heart, which is available at our shop. We'll
just put up the link for that. It's a forty

(21:01):
page magazine. We published it like four years ago. You
get it at Phosphy good dot UK fowards Lash shop
iphen one. In this we talk about over one hundred
policies to bring the UK closer together, to do more together,
and we had the whole page here about how it's
the British Central Bank. This is just going for a

(21:24):
fiver so much knowledge in here we suggest it should
be renamed, and when it can't be renamed, or if
it's not going to be renamed, we should at least
ensure that in our notes, the Scottish notes and the
Ulster notes, that we have a little bit that says

(21:46):
this note is British sterling, which is backed by the
British Central Bank, and in that way everybody would know
that Bank of Scotland notes, Ulster Bank notes, all these
notes are backed by the main British Bank, which is
the British Central Bank, and all of that should be done.

(22:10):
It would be done as soon as I've become Prime Minister.
That will be done in the first week, I should say,
and it would solve a lot of confusion because the
way it works at the moment is if the Bank
of Scotland, which is a private bank, wants banknotes, it
takes its private money and it gives it to the
British Central Bank, and the British Central Bank says, yeah,

(22:32):
you can print off x number of notes to the
value that you've given us.

Speaker 3 (22:39):
There.

Speaker 1 (22:40):
So if the Bank of Scotland gives a million pounds
of its own money, is private money, to the British
Central Bank, then it gets the right to print a
million pounds of Bank of Scotland branded bits of paper.
Similarly with the Clydesdale, similarly with the Royal These are
all private banks. There's only one national bank in Britain.

(23:03):
It's the British Central Bank, wrongly termed the Bank of England.
Why am I even mentioning this because today they have
announced that they have announced let's just give it to
that banner for the moment. They have announced that they're

(23:24):
doing a whole new set of banknotes. The Bank of
England wants your suggestions and we'll talk about that with Damien.
Where's the press release that the Bank of England put
out there, you go. We want to hear from you
as we begin to design the next series of banknotes.
We invite you to share your views on potential themes. Well,

(23:46):
this is right up our street. We love this kind
of thing. Our banknotes have celebrated notable historical figures since
nineteen seventy one. William Shakespeare became the first person other
than the monarch to feature on a banknote. Well I
didn't know that, So basically all these people that have
featured have really only featured since nineteen seventy. Okay, we

(24:09):
have identified six potential themes for our next series of
banknotes historical figures, nature, architecture, landmarks, arts, noteworth, the milestones
and innovation. And if you've got any suggestions, you're encouraged
to share your views. Now, what we'll do is we'll

(24:31):
put up the link, the exact link to that in
the description box and also in the comment threads, so
that you've got it. If you've got any ideas of
these of these things there, and let's talk about that
with our guest right now. Okay, folks, please say hello

(24:57):
to our our man in ron Corn and hellsby the
one and only Damien Davies. Hello, good evening to you, Damon.
How are things in one Corn and hillsby this evening?

Speaker 3 (25:14):
Not too bad? To be honest, I'm quite happy. I'm
quite happy with my MP currently. Actually she's making a
lot of the white noises in Parliament, Sarah poachin the
Reform UKMP. She took off the argument regarding banning the
nickab or the hijab in the UK, which I think
is spot on, And she's also making a lot of
noise about houses of multiple occupancy where they're just basically

(25:37):
dumping illegals into council estates all over the UK. And
I'm in a red wall seats. In red wall seats,
labor MPs tend to only go with the party line
if you bring any of the issue up to a
labor MP the Lake, who don't even respond to it
if you send them an email or a letter. So
it's good that I've actually got somebody speaking about these

(25:59):
issues and it shows people that without labor in the
North of England and another why is possible so you
can have critiques of reform for that's perfectly valid. I'm
just happy I've got somebody speaking out about the things
that I actually care about currently, which I'm sure would
be a refreshed for people in Scotland as well. If
you've got people speaking about these types of things, Oh, it.

Speaker 1 (26:22):
Would be it would be amazing. And that's as you say,
that's what helps to it just changes the tone as
it were. You suddenly see, oh, a voice that speaks
for me, and we don't really have that so much
in Scotland, or at least voices that will go to

(26:43):
places that the current voices don't want to talk about.
And so there is that hope for next year with
the Scottish elections coming up on the seventh and May
twenty twenty six, that a new cohort of people will
we'll get in and we'll move the conversation our way.

(27:05):
So that's definitely definitely to be to be hoped for. Now.
One or two people just welcoming you in there, Christopher says,
you're very lucky to have Sarah Poaching representing you.

Speaker 3 (27:20):
Absolutely, she seems to be doing well, so far as
I say, nothing's perfect, but as a market improvement against
an MP that it's likely to punch you in the
face if you ask them for something or help about
a lover culet Bridge. So any MP that doesn't punch
you when you question them in the streets as a.

Speaker 1 (27:36):
Plus, yes, because that's of course how you're not even
just joking that. That is literally how the last labor
MP went out as a consequence of lamping one of
his constituents, which wasn't very mpish behavior. I have to
say it's not.

Speaker 3 (27:54):
But it's nicely the establishment look after the own. He
got us suspended a sentence while we get people locked
up for tweets for two years.

Speaker 1 (28:00):
Yeah, yeah, isn't that I mean truth.

Speaker 3 (28:04):
I mean it's a bit strange, isn't it. The actual damage,
actual harm to somebody. You got a suspended sentence, but
something that could be interpreted is potentially cause and calm well,
establishment doesn't like that, and you get to an a half
years in prison.

Speaker 1 (28:18):
It's it is a big worry, actually, and not only
those ridiculous sentences, but there was a I didn't want
to talk about too much because it's just so terrible
but there's a young lad got killed in London and
his murderer got six years. This was just a few
days ago. Six years for taking somebody's life in that way.

(28:41):
That's just unacceptable.

Speaker 3 (28:43):
I mean it's laughable, it's absolutely laughable. It's a disguise
and it makes you think that you and a city
of society. So you can get the you can get
the Attorney General for England and Wilds Lord Hermer saying
that it's monstrous or it's discussings imply that you've got
a to t in society. But when you see sentences

(29:03):
like this, there's no other conclusion you can.

Speaker 1 (29:05):
Draw, no, no, no other than there's something wrong with
the actual judge who has got some sort of weird agenda.

Speaker 3 (29:18):
Rather that all the balls I'm paid for by the establishment,
meaning they know what side the bread is bolstered. They're
in the Overton window, they're in the nice liberal consensus
for the elites, and they think, right, we're not going
to lock the boat. We're just going to do what
the instructor es to do. It's like after the Southport
riots last year when Kisama went on TV and he
is making these edicts declare and all the people that

(29:40):
were rioting, which the police have later dismissed and said
it wasn't right. So it was civil disobedience and it
was basically protests. So the actual constabulary review of that
later time the line, they actually turned around and said, oh,
hang gone, I'm gone. It was naturally a riot. And
that's the first thing. And the second thing is we
had the Minister going out and declaring people guilty as

(30:02):
criminals before people have even been arrested. And that was
back about the Home Office. There was no due process,
m innocent and soil proving guilty and what businesses the
Prime Minister got going on CV declaring people guilty before
a trial.

Speaker 1 (30:18):
Absolutely absolutely. It's interesting there that you've raised the matter
of rioting versus protesting. And this was brought home to
me when I read this very short article which i'll
just read in the second But if you listen to
the BBC, they will use sometimes they will use riot
if it's something they really don't like, and if they're sympathetic,

(30:40):
they'll use the word protest.

Speaker 3 (30:42):
Mostly peaceful process, mostly peaceful. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (30:46):
Yeah. This is Michael Deacon writing in the Daily Telegraph
from the fourteenth of June, and he's talking about how
in such outlets, media outlets, the violence and he's talking
about the violence in Ballymina is always described as rioting,
Yet the violence in Los Angeles is always described as protests.

(31:09):
You may have wondered why this is. After all, both
Ballymina and Los Angeles have seen cars set on fire,
missiles thrown, and police officers injured. These are all very
bad things, so why don't the news outlets refer to
both as rioting. The answer is simple. The violence in
Ballymina is being perpetrated by people who are against mass immigration.

(31:30):
The violence in Los Angeles, in contrast, is being perpetrated
by people who are in favor not only of mass
immigration but of illegal immigration, and just as importantly hate
Donald Trump. Therefore, their actions must be made to sound
understandable and legitimate.

Speaker 3 (31:49):
Well, yeah, if you don't like the Donald, and you
don't like his ice rights where he's removing the llegals
by force, then yeah, you've got to be made out
to be the big bad Sorry, you've got to be
made that to be sympathetic. Rather, if you're against the Donald,
I mean, I think it's quite remarkable that down in Florida,
they managed to make a detention sensor for so called
illegals and refugee refugees. And they've managed to do that

(32:12):
in a week. Now. If the Americans can do something
like that in a week, it's it's it's surprising that
the British can't do something similar, or is it we can,
it's just they don't want to.

Speaker 1 (32:23):
It was It's the latter, isn't it. Yes, we can
remember during back in twenty twenty they set up suddenly
all these hospitals.

Speaker 3 (32:34):
Hospitals for COVID that were never used. They were just
basically optics. So it looks like they're doing something.

Speaker 1 (32:39):
Yes, I was trying to avoid using the sea words
so that that YouTube doesn't put a banner at the
bottom with a link to the truth about the sea word.
Oh yeah, but yes, but yes.

Speaker 3 (32:52):
I just call it. We'll just call it the cough.

Speaker 1 (32:56):
Yes, yes, yes, Now changing the subject here, Xanna has
got a good question for you, Hi, Damian, what do
you think of the new party being set up by
Ben Habib? Now, for people who don't know, yesterday he
set up this thing called Advance UK, which which is
it's not registered with the Electoral Commission yet. So I

(33:19):
don't know quite why he's calling it a party.

Speaker 3 (33:22):
I'll tell you, right, I don't know a bit of
research think of it. Yeah, okay, So he's put out
a video and he said he's only going to register
with the Electual Commission once it reached thirty k subscribers
or members.

Speaker 1 (33:33):
Oh right, I didn't know.

Speaker 3 (33:34):
And a discount's way for atana for the first thirty k.
And the reason why he's doing it that way, I
think it is similar to put Lows Restore Britain. The
very important thing is is that we can't allow reform
K to be complacent. We can't afford perform UK. So
you think they can just get away with me and

(33:55):
Tories two point zero because the way I understand it,
or the way I think it is, is that Reform
UK was an answer to the fact that the Conservatives
are no longer conservative. They're basically liberal Democrats that like
to get elected. So they put a toy stamp on
the ten and that's why when David Cameron took over
the Toys in two thousand and five, he changed the

(34:17):
policy and allowed liberals into the party and as such,
the rump of the MP's in Parliament that the Toys
have still got of all liberal Democrats, basically they just
weren't a Torio Rosette. Reform UK was created as the
answer to that, so we actually get something vaguely resembling
a whit wing party. Now, if you look at Farrarch

(34:37):
and you look at Twice, they are essentially classic Thatcher Rights,
in the mold of Thatcher from the eighties. So that
was their idea and that was their vision for Reform UK.
Let's get something broadly conservative and we can get in
and we can do something vaguely similar to what Thatcher
did in the eighties. Well, then you've got something else,

(34:57):
which is the Mega movement in America. You've got basically
two trains of force with Reform UK. You've got the
people that actually want something similar to what the Donald
did with the Republicans in the States. Make Britain grace again.
All the illegals out remigration, focus on revitalizing the rust
belt and basically anywhere outside London and the Southeast, all

(35:20):
of the United Kingdom, including Scotland and Northern Ireland, and
actually putting the British people i e. Me and you,
people that were born in the UK Funds and Center.
And so there's two trains of thought with Reform UK
and I think advanced UK and we put loads of
store Britain are based, which is like a consultancy that's
not going to be a political party, that's going to

(35:41):
be more like trying to shape right wing policy. If
you look at some of the stuff they' putting out,
they're looking at remigration, they're looking that defunding the BBC,
they're looking at maybe the reintroduction of the death penalty
capital punishment for severe crimes like the soldier Lee Rigby
or the Southport murder. Are people that we know are guilty,
so it wouldn't under statute books for something like you

(36:02):
know there's a chance they might not have done it,
or basically the threshold would be higher. It would be
literally red handed the course in the Act. So they're
having and they boathouse a new one today, which is
they wanna make it so you can defend yourself in
your own home with terminal force if needed, Whereas at
the moment in the UK, well especially in England and Wales,

(36:23):
there's got to be a question of proportionality, meaning if
you could run away rather than lethally kill somebody you
need to do that, whereas the put Low people would
have it where as well know if they've broke into
your house, you can use lethal force and there will
be no questions asked. So they're asking difficult questions and
they're asking things like that, and I think what it

(36:43):
does more than anything else is it forces the conversation,
encourages the debate, and more importantly, it shifts the over
some windows to where we need it to be, which
is squarely in the right of center politics. Nobody's talking
about lefty socialism anymore. Nobody's talking about letting all the
micro and sin and the Labor Party are struggling to
keep up with that. So I think Group at Lowe's thing,

(37:05):
which is a policy platform to advocate for policies like
I've just discussed, is a positive because it keeps reform
UK honest. And what will happen before the next election.
My view is Ben Habiebe's got a party now there's
a devance to UK and basically it will be a
receptacle ruput Low when his team his people that's going
to be built in policy and saying you need to

(37:27):
adopt X Y and Z, a B and C policy
you'll throw out out to Reform UK in my view,
and if they don't base there's a receptacle there. So basically,
the Advanced UK is the threat if Reform UK don't
stay honest and actually keep with the aspirations of the
grass roots. That's the way I view the whole thing
that I think it's all part of a coordinated plan.

(37:49):
I actually called a video where it's on my channel
yesterday and that's my store on the matter. I think
there's a lot of people in Reform UK, the grassroots,
me being one, I'm avoid to remember for Reform UK,
some of the policies or some of the things that
are coming out from the too high ups Tyson for
arch are a bit too centious for my liking. I'd
like them to be a bit more hard line. And

(38:11):
I think that these two things that launched over the
past few days are going to keep them honest and
I think that's that can only be a good thing
because there's a lot of people in the grassroots that like, well,
we need X, Y and Z and the source of
falling on deaf ears at the moment. So that's my
that's my view. I could be proven spectacularly wrong, but
I think that's the whole points of it. And if

(38:32):
you ask Ben Habib, when you ask we put low
what I'm telling you now, they'll probably deny it because
you don't wanna. You don't wanna, You don't wanna put
the plan out there. You want to you want to
do do you want to do all the machinations behind
the scenes. You don't want to put all your cards
on the table, because then the Jake's up.

Speaker 1 (38:48):
Well, thank you for that. That's a very fullsome reply
to Oxana's question about what do you think of the
new party. Plenty of food for thought there, which it
hadn't really a to me. Using it as as a
pressure on Reform to move.

Speaker 3 (39:09):
Yeah, because if you think Reform UK was created because
we haven't got a Conservative party anymore and to keep
the Tories honors or to try and supplant the Tories.
But even even if we've got Thatcherism two points. That
might answer a few of the problems, That might sort
of a few of the issues, but it's not going
to sort everything. Like we've not heard anything from before
UK about a great Repeal Act at the moment, which

(39:29):
is undoing blurrism. That'd be getting rid of the Supreme Course,
the big question about abolish and evolution. I don't know
if before that or not getting midd of the London Assembly,
getting rid of the Irish Sea Board, of the Windsor Framework,
reincorporated Northern Island back into the hearts of the United Kingdom.
That's the one policy that Advanced UK has got that

(39:49):
I'm really really pleased with because it's something that reform
UKA had been kind of silent on. Is the Irish
question with Northern Ireland now from my own to fand
them the Good Fire Agreement in the nineteen nineties, there's
nothing specifically stating that needs to be an open border
with the Republic. However, for the sake of cohesiveness and

(40:13):
social tensions, they decided to maintain an open border. Now,
there's never really been much of a border between the
Republic and the United Kingdom anyway, due to the common
traveler You're established when the Republic after the UK in
the early twentieth century, but before the time of mass migration,
it wasn't really an issue. I never treated to a
public of Ireland people as different to me. I thought

(40:33):
we're all part of the British Isles. It's all fine
as all, but now it sort of tethers us together.
If we've got the best government in the world, mass
deportations Britain for the British. If Northern Ireland don't follow
suits with that open border, the UK impose one hundred
million migrants to the Republic and they've got free access

(40:54):
to the UK, so it doesn't matter either way.

Speaker 1 (40:57):
Yeah, yeah, absolutely, we touched We touch on this in
our book, volume two of a big book for the
Union and basically point out that anybody who come who
comes across illegally across the land border between the Republic
and and well yeah, if you come across the land
border climbing asylum, that will be an illegal act because

(41:21):
you can climb asylum in the Republic of Ireland and
you can stay in the Republic of Ireland. You don't
need to climb asylum by coming across the land border
into the United Kingdom to do it. So that that
would that would restrict a certain number of people as well.
And I think the I think the idea, I think
you can as far as the airports and the docks

(41:45):
going across the Irish Sea are concerned. That can be
controlled if you have the if you have the will
to do it. But certainly right now there's lots of
people coming over the land border to Northern Ireland climbing
asylum because it's it's easy for them to do so
that should simply be prohibited and it should be deterred
by the full force of the law.

Speaker 3 (42:06):
I had an idea and I wanted to get your
opinion on it. Say, for example, you've already claimed asylum
in a comparable country to the United Kingdom. So say,
for example, you apply to refugee status in the States
or Canada, Italy, Australia, and you've been declined for whatever reason,
you're security risk, terrorists, thout, whatever you want to say,

(42:27):
you've got no ties to their country, whatnot. Well, that's
an automatic decline from US. It was good enough if
the Americans have declined. If declined are for a reason,
that's good enough for US, no further questions. Anybody that's
come to us on US more boat that's already had
her refugee claim rejected by a Western nation, whatever the reason,
we don't want them. If they've refused them, we should

(42:48):
refuse them as simple as It's like, all these people
that have come over from France, they probably had the
asylum claim rejected in France, So that would be my policy.
You'd be like straight away, if they've reject you, you're
not going to go except to say, how simple.

Speaker 1 (43:02):
Mhmm. That that makes sense. That makes sense, to be
frank with you. It's not one that I've really given
much thought to because I'm not sure if that really
happens a lot of the time. It certainly does that
there is that what they have a word for it,
asylum shopping. I think they call it. Yes, yes, and

(43:24):
it should be prohibited. You can't just be turned down
in France and then or try my luck in the
United Kingdom. There should definitely be no.

Speaker 3 (43:32):
There.

Speaker 1 (43:32):
Would You're just write in a law like if you've
already claimed asylum in these particular safe these countries that
we consider to be on the safe list, then you
automatically it will be an inadmissible claim and you'll have
to go back. Yes, yes, and I totally agree. Now
in the final five minutes, I just want to bring

(43:55):
your attention to the Bank of England. Let's put the
banner up again. The picture that was talking about the
there we go. We want to hear from you suggested
notable historical figures. Historical figures. I always think that's a
weird word. I'll just say historic figures anyway, nature, architecture, landmarks, arts, culture, sport, noteworthy,

(44:23):
milestone's innovation. Have you any ideas let's start with historical figures.
Oliver Cromwell, Oliver Cromwell, let's get rid of this Bank
of England thing.

Speaker 3 (44:40):
Oliver Conwell rightly wrong? Will you challenge the monarch's absolute power?
Rightly or wrongly? He is a historical figure. Now in
my local I've got a local town named me called Warrington,
which about ten minute drive from where I am in
Moncornan Hellsbury. They've got a big statue of Oliver Cromwell
in town center, and I always thought it was weird
when I was a child, so I'd like, we were

(45:00):
a monarchy. He got rid of the monarchy, he cut
off a king's head. Why is there a big statue there?
It's because historically right.

Speaker 1 (45:08):
The first time, I think you're right.

Speaker 3 (45:09):
The first time, yeah, it was like it was like, well,
why why is there read from the statue here? When
the monarchy was restored, they would have probably demonized Cromwell.
So why is the statue in Warrington too? And it's like, well,
historically and Warrington Conwell was actually that's where we led
his battalions against the Crown. And my local castle, which
is in rue Corn called Holton Castle, was the Royalist
stronghold and the attack the Royalists in run Corn on

(45:34):
our big hill in our castle which is just Ruins
now by the way from Warrington. So that's why he's
got the statue in Warrington. But yeah, right, rightly or wrongly,
you may hate him, you may love him, you cannot
deny his historical figure.

Speaker 1 (45:46):
I think that's absolutely correct as far as he's a
historical figure is concerned. What I would averre is that
there are historic figures that are just two polarizing to
appear on a bank note, And I would suggest that
he is a polarizing character. You might be on his side,

(46:09):
you might not be on the side too divisive, I
would I would I would suggest if I was on
the Bank of England committee, I would I would say, well,
he's certainly a man that's never appeared on a bank note,
but perhaps.

Speaker 3 (46:23):
But is it good? Good do you think.

Speaker 1 (46:28):
It's a good call. That one an Oliver Cromwell.

Speaker 3 (46:32):
And they'm was thinking for nature maybe David Bellamy.

Speaker 1 (46:37):
David Bellamy, Yeah.

Speaker 3 (46:40):
He's also got He got slightly got shoot shoed away
from the TV because of his actual views on climate change.
They weren't with the with the perceived orthodoxy, and because
he's not in the conversation on the right side with
climate change, he quietly got sheed off TV and because
of that he's shopping on a bank of England that

(47:01):
was in my opinion.

Speaker 1 (47:03):
Has he passed away or is he still with us?
Nineteen right right, because somebody just suggested, look littler dance
player for the fifty pound note, and he probably deserves
it for his achievements. It's such a young age, but
I don't think they would put people up on a
bank note who are still alive, because I was thinking

(47:25):
about Tim berners Lee, who certainly created the great innovation
known as the Internet, and that has been one of
Britain's recent gifts if you want to say that to
the world. However, the Chap's still alive, thank goodness for
him and his family, so I can't imagine them putting
him on a on a bank note.

Speaker 3 (47:47):
I was looking as well. There was one was as
architect architecture. It's not saying architects, it's saying architecture architecture.

Speaker 1 (47:55):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (47:56):
So I was thinking maybe the like the Church of
England Anglican Cathedral and Liverpool. It's a huge building. It
was completely the thinker was beginning of the twentieth century.
I think that would be quite striking on one of
our banknotes. Or you could look at maybe one of
huge cathedrals up in Scotland, you know, something that's really

(48:16):
really or inspiring. Or maybe the Liva buildings from Pierhead
and Liverpool. That would be another shout because the or
the Cunored building, or for looking at historical events, maybe
the Titanic.

Speaker 1 (48:31):
There you go, the Titanic.

Speaker 3 (48:33):
Yeah, yeah, that incorporates Ireland into it as well because
it was Bills and Belfast.

Speaker 1 (48:39):
Yes, because I was just thinking that as well. It's
if you're going to do it, well, this is where
we again we go back to the name of it.
The Bank of England. They don't space well, they do
actually specify bring if we bring it up again that.

Speaker 3 (48:53):
There should should we called Bank of Britain.

Speaker 1 (48:56):
Yes, yes, it goes. However, there are many way they're
the third paragraph, however, there are many ways to represent
the UK. So what that seems to be suggesting is
that the Bank of named the Bank of England, is
actually going to use on its bank notes items from

(49:18):
all around the UK. So that's quite that's quite good
as far as we as Unionists are concerned, I like that,
maybe that or push them into understanding that maybe the
name isn't quite fitting, but so it doesn't look like
they're just serving it to English events and historic figures.

(49:38):
So I think in that case they should have a
balance between as you say, something from northern Ireland, maybe
something from Scotland, certainly something from two or three parts
of England and Liverpool and the cathedral there like the
idea of that. The live of building was the first
of its kind as well. It was the first one
made out of a certain kind of I need to

(50:01):
look it up, but it's like made out of certain
kind of cement or design, you know, something like that.
It was quite a ground blazer in its in its
in its day. Just what have we got at the moment,
as far as the notes are concerned, We've got this
is the fifty pound note. I mean, how many people
have ever had a fifty pound note in the pocket?

(50:22):
But if you do have, you'll find this chat. This
is Alan Turing. This is only a forecast of what
is to come, and only the shadow of what is
going to be, says there, which appears to be his
famous quote of his What was his job?

Speaker 3 (50:40):
He was? He created the sorry, he created the machine
that broke the Nazi Enigma code during World War two?

Speaker 1 (50:47):
All right.

Speaker 3 (50:48):
He actually shortened the wall by two years because he
actually cracked their code. And a lot of his as
a lot of his theories and whatnot, were basically instrumental
in it. They were the like footprints and the first
steps towards the modern computer.

Speaker 1 (51:06):
Right right. And there's another one there, the Charles Dickens
as a ten pound notes. You see that one quite regularly.

Speaker 3 (51:17):
Well, we're used to. It's been discontinued now, oh has it? Yep?
That was serious dry serious d That was in the
nineteen nineties when I was in high.

Speaker 1 (51:25):
School, right right? What do you think of that?

Speaker 3 (51:30):
I like it. I like it. When I was a kid,
I've seen that, I say, when I never really knew
who he was, and I was like, we've done Dickens
in school, We've done Great Expectations Christmas Carol Alliver twist, Well,
that was like the first image because you see a
ten pound notes on a regular basis where you're see
in the phoso of the author. Back in the day
when I was in primary school, the author's pictures weren't

(51:51):
really in the books, especially for the children's versions of
the novels. So it's people that make a difference. And yeah,
that's why I think it should be people that are
actually monumental. It should be people that are essential to
British history. It shouldn't be people that are there basically
the diversity higher there because they are a certain skin color,

(52:16):
or a certain sexuality or a certain protected characteristic. That's
the language of the equality actors and says. But you know,
it shouldn't be anyone like that. It should be people
should be giants. It should be people that are actually
I mean, can you imagine Diane Butt on the back
of the Tana I think.

Speaker 1 (52:35):
Not back of an eleven pound note perhaps.

Speaker 3 (52:40):
But yeah, it's as simple as that. I mean, all
of this, all of this nonsense. I just hope they
don't try to because I remember a few years ago
when Richie Sunac was Prime Minister, he brought out the
fifty P and there's an image of Richie Sunac when
he's Prime Minister holding fifty P and the diversity is
our strength or diversity built Britain and it's the it's
the it's the Prime Minister of Indian Heritage holding a

(53:02):
fifty page trying to perpetuate the myth, the lie that
Britain has always been a nation of immigrants and Britain
has always been diverse, which is not true. I mean,
need to make sure that the myth doesn't become the reality,
and the reality doesn't become the myth.

Speaker 1 (53:17):
True true enough now that you mention it, of course
they are going to do that, and they they're going
to be I can imagine now, say there's ten designs,
five of them are going to be like woke stuff
and the events, the arrival of the windrush, stuff like that.
I can see that happening.

Speaker 3 (53:38):
But I actually on a video on that. I actually
on a video on the windworsh last week when they
were trying to say the windworsh generation built prison. In fact,
there was actually I don't know if you know this
or not. Labor MPs at the time, if you google
it and you have a look into it, they were
furious about five undred migrants from an Empire country that

(54:03):
weren't wise. They were very specific. The issue was that
they weren't weis would they ever be able to integrate
into Britain And they were afraid of the scandal. And
this was under I think it was with Clement Atlee
in nineteen forty eight, and they were like they were
flipping out, they were flipping out. They were like, what
are we going to do? What are we going to do.
We're gonna let the ship dock, We're going to let

(54:23):
them come here. And like that was five hundred migrants
and they weren't illegal, they were here legally from the Caribbean.
And the Labor Party was in it tis thinking how
the public are going to react to this? Now they
welcome in five hundred and one thousands of legals across
the channel either day. If you've got a problem with that,
you're the racist.

Speaker 1 (54:45):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's that's the absolutely of it.

Speaker 3 (54:50):
It just shows that the Labor Party as it is
now is not the Labor party that built the NHS
it's not the same beast, it really isn't.

Speaker 1 (54:58):
Yes, the budgy Bug has suggests put Morrissey on one
of the notes. He yeah, I'd be up for that absolutely, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,
Well I don't know who I mean, I would I
quite like I always think as far as historic figures,

(55:19):
the one that always jumps out of me, of course
is James the sixth of Great Britain. He has never
been on a thing. He brought the Royal the Regal
Union together, Queen Anne brought the parliaments together. Both of
them are quite worthy figures and they would start a
discussion about about the union. They certainly deserve to appear

(55:40):
on a British on British wide bank notes.

Speaker 3 (55:42):
I have this little on the Twiss there's this English youtue,
but I won't mention his name. I'll protect his model state.
He said that the UK is a is a is
a political union. It's not a country. It's a political union.

(56:04):
So we had to reply. I said, actually, you're wrong,
it's a country. It was a country that's created in
seventeen oh seven. It's very specifically active in very specifically
and explicitly says that England and Scotland have merged into
a single kingdom under the name of Great Britain. Yes,
as such, as such, it is literally the letter of

(56:27):
the law. So when anybody in Scotland Scotland as a country, well,
well Scotland as a country, or people down south, what
England is a country? No, no, no, no, no, and
not in any real sense, not in any real sense,
it really isn't the separate legal churturist sictions may be.
We've got the same army, same parliament, same currency, same

(56:51):
Prime minister, same monarch. In any way that counts. We
are a single country. When people say England these x
y and said Scotland is a b and so you're
in look with something that doesn't exist. It's not exist.
That's just the reality. That's just what it is. So people,
I mean, I'm in England. I've got the England flag.

(57:11):
I've also got a Welsh flag as well. Yes, yes,
so I've got both. But but you can celebrate each
part of the UK. But the UK is the political unit,
and it's not it's not it's not literally, it's not
literally just a political union. That's as well, it's.

Speaker 1 (57:29):
Much that's much more than that. The political union.

Speaker 3 (57:33):
Mindset, and that the mindset. And this is the thing
as well that a lot of people in England, like
this guy never used to think this way.

Speaker 1 (57:42):
And well you may just tell us who this is.
This a famous person, He's not famous.

Speaker 3 (57:47):
It's just a YouTuber like you or me. He's called
and the anti the Gabby Cabby.

Speaker 1 (57:51):
Oh, I know, I know, I know the one you mean.

Speaker 3 (57:53):
Yeah, well yeah, And there's what the s MP have done.
And they've managed to successfully do this with a loss
for English people and the perfectly decent wives of center,
the decent people and the good people. And you can
say that in the videos they are good people. But
that's what the SMP have managed to do successfully to
a degree. It's false of the sense of grievance and

(58:15):
sense of upset. And something that I never question personally
is that I am British. Well, there's a lot of
people that no longer say it that.

Speaker 1 (58:22):
Way, Damien. That's where you and I and others come
in is to correct that particular view of looking at things. Now,
time has been shooting on because we've been having such
a great conversation. But folks, Damien Davies is at Cheshire
Cat musings, So if you're on YouTube, just just search

(58:43):
for that, or the direct link is YouTube dot com.
Forward slash at cheshire Cat musings or one word. It's
been great to speak to you. We had a good
chat tonight, Damien. You're welcome back anytime. Anytime you want
to appear, just give us a bell and we'll schedule
you in.

Speaker 3 (59:04):
We'll have to make this a regular accounts.

Speaker 1 (59:05):
I think I think we will. We need to get
you on. Katherine says, great chat, everybody. Let's say goodbye
to Damian and thanks for your good work. Damien. We'll
see you hopefully quite soon.

Speaker 3 (59:17):
Well, thank you for your time and all the best.
I'll speak to you, saying a right.

Speaker 1 (59:21):
Choose great stuff, good to good to speak with Damien
there now, folks. In the final minute or two just reminds,
just requires me to say. We have got our crowdfunder
ending next Wednesday at seven point thirty, the ninth of July,

(59:49):
and last time I looked, we're at forty three percent.
We're trying to get to seventy five percent of our
needs for the next six months, which isn't a whole
lot as far as some NGOs and charities are concerned.
We operate very frugally. Every single pound note will get
put to good use and get put into the fight.

(01:00:13):
And we've got a whole summer of activism lined up.
With your help, we can achieve it. And you just
need to go to crowdfunder dot co dot uk forward
Slash Summer twenty twenty five and if you want, you
can claimb rewards we've got. We've got these T shirts

(01:00:35):
in large. We've shifted one or two of these actually
during the crowdfunders, so we've only got the large, the
extra large and the super large left. We've also got
are we books, a big book for the Union, and
various of our incredibly attractive and colorful greeting cards which

(01:01:02):
are blank on the inside and can be used whenever
you want to wish somebody the best of British or
to thank them for something like that. But she says
cheers of Xanna says thanks, Raphas says goodbye, mister Damien.
Christopherus's thanks. There you go. There's a Catherine suggests Mary

(01:01:22):
Queen of scots for the for the notes. That would
be an interesting one. Put a Mary Queen of Scotts
on a bank of England notes, great stuff. We'll be
back next Wednesday and we'll be able to tell you
exactly how much we've made on the crowdfunder, because it

(01:01:43):
will be ending next Wednesday. Until then, it just remains
for me to say, God Bless the United Kingdom and
God save the King. See you next week