Immigration and Who Gets to Vote Ep 138. 30 April 2025

Alistair McConnachie of pro-UK unionist campaign group and think tank, A Force For Good (AFFG), and viewers discuss:
- Welcome.
- Will Reform UK beat Labour at the Runcorn and Helsby By Election, 1-5-25.
- AFFG appears on Nick Buckley MBE's YouTube programme, link below.
- AFFG counts Welsh Separatist March, in Barry; contradicts South Wales Police estimate!
- Similar to when Police Scotland said there were 10,000 in Dumfries, when there was 1,854.
- Grangemouth Oil Refinery closes, due to SNP and British Govt lack of care.
- The case for nationalisation of certain industries at certain times.
- Sometimes, politically, we may seem obliged to pretend we believe a lie, but this can paint us into a corner.
- The privatisation v nationalisation argument didn't help our country; we need both!
- "Britain's immigration policy should discriminate against poor countries".
- Why are Commonwealth citizens given the right to vote at every UK election?
- It's time to remove the right to vote from non-Crown Commonwealth citizens in the UK.
- In Scotland and Wales, every "legal resident" can vote at local and devolved elections, and this has to stop.
- Revolutionaries will demand more than they expect, and then "roll back"; making the rest of us think we won something!
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REFERENCES MENTIONED
AFFG on the Nick Buckley Show
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yvu8kBqYo4E

"Fantasy Figures of Separatist Marches"
https://www.aforceforgood.uk/single-post/nat-numbers-exposed

Sam Ashworth-Hayes, "Britain's immigration policy should ruthlessly discriminate against poor countries", Daily Telegraph, online 24-4-25 at 
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2025/04/24/britain-immigration-policy-discriminate-poor-countries

"Esteem our British Citizenship"
https://www.aforceforgood.uk/single-post/citizenship

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This is the 138th episode of "Good Evening Britain" broadcast on Wednesday 30th April 2025.

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:23):
Hello and welcome to Good Evening Britain, a Force for
Goods weekly show coming to you live from our studios
here in the heart of the great British city of Glasgow,
with me your host, Alistair mcconache. We are broadcasting on
all our digital platforms throughout the United Kingdom and across

(00:45):
the world. We're bringing you quality pro UK comment and
analysis every Wednesday from seven until eight pm on YouTube, Facebook,
on x and also on TikTok. Folks, please do send

(01:09):
in your greetings on this lovely night, at least I
hope it's lovely where you are in our wonderful British
Isles or indeed throughout the world. Please also send in
your comments and your questions and will do our best

(01:29):
to read them out and to answer them and tell
us where you're watching from as well. We're always interested
to find out where our viewers are. Maybe you're sitting
in the back garden enjoying the sun, or maybe you're

(01:50):
inside wherever you may be, Please do tell us what's
happening in your part of the world. Now we've got
a for you. We were going to have our man
on the spot, Damien Davies, who is presently at the

(02:11):
run Corn and Helmsby by election which is being held tomorrow.
He was on our show a few weeks ago he
was telling us that he was working for one of
the well helping rather one of the parties there. He
can't be with us tonight, unsurprisingly, perhaps because he's busy
helping his political party at that by election, tomorrow being

(02:35):
of course the voting day. So we are going to
get him back on. We are going to get him
back on and he can tell us his thoughts on
that and we'll all know the result late tomorrow night,
whether or not Reform has in fact beat labor to

(02:55):
the post, because as many of us know, this is
a crucial Westminster by election, Labor are struggling. The opinion
polls have got Reform and Labor neck and neck. Interestingly,

(03:20):
the reform vote going up by a similar percentage as
the labor vote is going down, suggesting a lot of
people leaving voting from labor going to reform, or maybe
it indicates a lot of hitherto people who never voted

(03:44):
joining the political discussion. So we'll have to see how
that holds out. But of reform where to win it
it would be a major landslide, and of course throughout
England as well, many of the councils are up for
grabs also, So a busy day tomorrow at the English
council elections, with the Westminster by election and the other

(04:11):
the other council elections, not all the council elections, but
a significant number of them, And later in the program
we're going to be looking at basically who gets to
vote at those by elections, and you will be surprised
at the number of nationalities, almost countless who can vote

(04:31):
at the English local elections. Even more can vote in
the Scottish and Welsh local elections. We'll be getting to that.
We'll be getting to the corruption, what we believe is
the corruption of the franchise and the extent to which
our democracy is is under threat, you could say, from

(04:55):
mass invasion. We're going to be looking at the connection
between immigration and police democracy. That's later in the program,
and we're going to be using the English Council by
elections as our example. But let's start with the news
from a Force for Good this week. When I spoke

(05:17):
to you last week, we had returned from outside the
Merchant's House in George Square, where we had been protesting
John Swinney's fraudulent summit on the so called rise of
What he was fearing with was the far right, So
we turned up with our asylum frauds out and our

(05:38):
mass Deportation Now banners, which would no doubt give him
at least something to point to, if nothing else. But
of course we were simply articulating the concerns of a
growing number of people in Glasgow who are more certainly
not far anything other than far normal, and who want

(06:01):
the borders to be properly policed, something that John Swinney
and Keir Starmer are singularly failing at at the moment. Anyway,
Enough of that, we had returned from that on the Friday,
we were interviewed by a YouTube personality called Nick Buckley,

(06:24):
which you can find on YouTube, and he interviewed us
for an hour on his program Nick Buckley Live. Just
search YouTube dot com for Nick Buckley b U C
K L E Y and you'll see the program there.
We've got his thumbnail for that program that you can

(06:47):
look out for. Look out for that thumbnail. Nick Talks.
A Force for Good Scotland no Longer Scottish was the
title that he gave the interview, and we'd certainly spoke
about the dangers of Scotland no longer being visibly Scottish
in some areas of Scotland and increasingly these days in others.

(07:12):
We also talked about the various failures of the SNP
and we talked about the state of the British Union also.
So please do go to YouTube dot com search for
Nick Buckley and you'll find that one hour interview which
we were very pleased about, really really enjoyed it. It's
almost had seven thousand views, which is not bad for YouTube,

(07:36):
and we do look forward to getting Nick on the
program sometime in the not too distant future later this year.
So that was a good piece of outreach that we did. Okay,
something else that we did. One of our supporters was

(07:57):
down in Wales, of all places, in a lovely town
called Barry in the Veil of Glamorgan, where there was
a Welsh Separatist march being held there. And what do

(08:17):
a phosphor good do at these kind of marches, Well,
we video them from the beginning until the end of them.
We find out how long they took to pass, and
we count the numbers of people who were on it,
and we acquired two pieces of video evidence of the

(08:39):
march from beginning to end. But before we do that,
let's put up a pic of this is the march
when it reached its final destination. Okay. So interestingly, the
South Wales Police appeared to be as good at counting
marches as the as Police Scotland and the South Wales

(09:04):
Police considered that there was quote unquote six to seven
thousand people on the march. Does that look like a
gathering of six to seven thousand people to you? Okay,

(09:25):
So clearly when we heard these numbers, we're like, yeah,
we've heard these numbers before. We'll wait until we get
our video evidence so we can count them properly. And well,
you won't be surprised to hear that there was not
six or seven thousand on the march. It took less
than ten minutes to pass our counting points. There was

(09:47):
not five to six, There was not four to five,
There was not three to four, There was not two
to three. There was not one to two thousand. There
was not even one thousand people on the march. There
were nine hundred and twenty three. That was our average
of several counts of them nine hundred and twenty three,

(10:10):
not excluding sorry excluding children who looked like fourteen or
other are under who would only be there because their
parents dragged them along. So nine hundred and twenty three
is the real count of that particular yes, Cumrie march
in Barrie, not six to seven thousand. South Wales Police

(10:33):
please take note. So again important work that we're doing
for the Union here in exposing and revealing the true numbers,
and we added that number two our list. We have
an ongoing list which we have been compiling since twenty eighteen,

(10:56):
showing the real figures versus the fraudulent figure and you
can find that on our website. Just search for fantasy
figures on Google fantasy figures, Separatist marches and you'll find
that article and you can look down and you can

(11:17):
see all the pretended numbers compared with the real numbers,
all of which we have video evidence for as well.
Good stuff. Let's say hello to some people coming in today.
Derek was first in good evening alistair and fill you

(11:38):
fillow unionis It's another lovely sunny day, says Derek. Hi
Oxanna and Cat and Derek always a supporter from Armadelle.
Catherine says, Hello, she's cooking spaghetti bolonaise in England. To

(12:00):
British legends, and to Alan, who's working this evening but
going to catch up later. Hi to Paul from the
Sunny Garden of England. Oxanna says, we cannot vote in
other countries if we live there. That's generally speaking true.

(12:23):
There's only a few countries in the world where British
citizens can vote, and it's usually almost always in the
situation where there's a reciprocal arrangement where their citizens can vote.
In the UK, we'll put out I just mentioned the

(12:43):
fantasy figures of the Nationalist marches. We'll put that link
out the under our broadcast on x and we've also
put out the link to the Nick Buckley show there
on on YouTube and on Facebook. Thank you. Dominic asks

(13:22):
a historical question. If England colonized Ireland, then why are
they called Ulster Scots. Well maybe some Ulster Scotts can
chime in on that one, but my understanding is that
in the North of Ireland in particular, it was the
Scots who colonized that particular area. Christopher says of the

(13:48):
Welsh Marchers, not the Welsh marches marshes. That's another phrase,
isn't it. But of the Welsh marchers there was nine
hundred twenty three lost souls. Indeed, Stephens's excellent work on
counting them. William Hawkins says, because England gave land in

(14:16):
Ireland to Scottish migrants, well, my understanding is it was
the King James the sixth who who who promoted at
least that particular migration of people, especially from from from

(14:38):
Scotland and in England as well into the North. Interesting
period that remains controversial to this day. Clive is watching
from East Sussex on the south coast. I bet that's
quite nice today. Clive Paul says the police should be

(14:58):
politically neutral, but they should not be neutral between facts
and falsehood, especially real figures versus fantasy march figures. I
think I totally agree with you, Paul. My understanding of
the police is that they're simply not good at counting marches,
and I don't know what metrics they use, but I'll

(15:19):
always remember the march and them Frease when the police
Scotland said there was ten thousand, and we wrote to
them said there's no why there could have been ten
thousand because the march took less than twenty minutes to
pass down a very narrow street, and we were there,
but we did not have any video evidence. That was
the march that made us realize we had to get

(15:41):
video evidence, but we were adamant that there was not
ten thousand there. And then about a year or two later,
the actual figures, an actual video came out of the
marches and let me just let me find here. I've

(16:05):
got it recorded in yes, all under one banner, and
the police said ten thousand. The actual was one eight

(16:26):
hundred and fifty four after you counted them from the video.
So again the police there were five times in error.
That information from ten years strong our Special Collector's issue
of Union Heart. So I'm afraid the police are just

(16:47):
not good at counting. I don't really think they have
any political agenda there. They're just not good at making estimates.
Some forces will be better than others. They really should
hire us get to do their crowd estimations. Christopher says

(17:08):
that my relatives, his relatives colonized Ulster, and they were
from Lowland, Scotland, which of course is the closest place
across the water allowed to Anthony makes you wonder about
the police's crime stats. Well, that's true, isn't it. Okay,

(17:32):
let's deal with the Grangemouth story now. Today it was confirmed,
unfortunately that the Grangemouth oil refinery is closing down. Now
there's a big establishment over there at Grangemouth. The refinery
is a major part of that establishment, but the rest
of it deals with importing and exporting oil that's already refined.

(17:58):
But the ability to refine oil is like a national requirement.
If you want energy independence for your nation and you
want to be able to process, you want to be
able to extract the oil. You want to be able
to transport the oil, you want to be able to
refine the oil, you want to be able to export

(18:19):
the oil. You want to do everything you can with it.
So you do need the full, the full, all the
industry to process oil from out of the ground into
the vehicle or machine. If you want proper energy independence,
you don't want to be importing your refined oil. So

(18:44):
that's just a fact of energy independence. And if we
had a government in Westminster who cared about keeping Britain
energy independent, then this would all be a part of
a long term plan that they would be understanding, and
they would be making provision looking into the future in

(19:06):
order to maintain all of that kind of industry, and
they would also be ensuring that the rest of British
industry was such that it was all catered for. For example,
we would have a steel industry, we would have a
heavy duty machinery industry, and all of these would be

(19:27):
functioning upon the energy that we ourselves were producing, so
it would all be a joined up system. But what
has happened over the years is that the British state,
run essentially by economic globalists, has given up that sense
of national control to the point where you get faced

(19:53):
with these emergencies like the Port Talbot steel industry getting
closed down. They stepped in at the very last moment
to keep a cup, to keep that open. To a
certain extent, people were saying, why couldn't they have done
that with the Grangemouth oil refinery. Well, they could have
done that with the Grangemouth oil refinery if they had
had enough long term planning in mind, but it and

(20:16):
people were pointing this out to them, but they were
not taking notice. And when I say, when I blame
ultimately the British government. It is ultimately the British government
to blame, but it's also the Scottish executive as well
because they were not properly standing up for and all
of Holywood at the same time not properly standing up

(20:40):
for Scottish industry in Scotland, especially not fossil fuel industry.
In fact, they were doing absolutely everything that they could
to base and are still doing everything they can to
shut down Scottish fossil fuel energy. If you don't believe

(21:00):
made here's the leader, then Leader Nicholas Sturgeon taking great
delight in shutting down Scotland's final final coal process. Or
take a look at this video all three two one fire.

Speaker 2 (21:23):
Scottish Powers demolishing in Scotland's last remaining coal fired powers station.
First Minister Nicholas Sturgeon push the button bringing down the
chimney at Longanet Power station, which has dominated the Firth
of Fourth skyline for more than fifty years.

Speaker 3 (21:38):
I think this is a really special day. It's a
poignant day and it will no doubt generate mixed emotions
for people who've worked in this site over fifty years,
but it symbolizes that transition Scotland is making away from
fossil fuels to renewable, low carbon sources of energy. It
marks the definitive end of coal in Scotland.

Speaker 1 (22:01):
Yeah, wonderful right, A special day, A special day which
marks the definitive end of coal production in Scotland and
the move away from fossil fuels. That was Nicholas Sturgeon
on the ninth of December twenty twenty one, pushing the

(22:24):
button to blow up the chimney of Scotland's last coal
fired power station at long long Ganet, symbolizing the end
of coal fired power generation in Scotland, seen as a
step towards Scotland's Scotland's goal of achieving net zero emissions

(22:44):
by twenty forty five. So that she is the leader
of an administration which was taking great delight in and
is taking great delight in shutting down Scotland's fossil fuel
energy industry. So John Swinney, don't you turn round to
me or anybody else with your crocodile tears when you

(23:07):
and your ideology are what is what is responsible for
allowing Scotland's only remaining oil refinery to go with the wind. You,
John Swinney, are responsible for not standing up and advocating
for it, as well as of course the labor people

(23:28):
and the lib dem people and the Greens, who of
course are secretly delighted today at the news that four
hundred people will be losing their job at that oil refinery.
But ultimately, of course, we live in the Union and
it's the British state which must carry the can and
ultimately the blame for that. But you know what, if

(23:49):
they had started pushing money into range Mouth and keeping
that oil refinery open, I bet you the first people
who would be complaining would be Nicholas Dudgeon, would be
John Swinney, would be the labor people, going, this isn't
good for the Green transition, this is going against our
climate goals. This is going to make us all burned
to a crisp by twenty forty five. You know, some

(24:12):
in that sense, I suppose they couldn't win. But seriously,
if people like myself were in power, and if the
oil refinery were not able to turn the profit, we
would still see it as an essential national industry, as
an essential national resource, and some essential national resources just

(24:36):
don't turn the profit. They do need to be kept
going through subsidies, and so there's a case for nationalization
at certain times, especially when a critical national resource is
in danger of going under, you do need to prop

(24:58):
it up and keep it going, ideally, of course, as
part of a much wider program of industrialization, so that
its products will have a purpose within the overall national
industrial policy. And that's what should be happening. And only

(25:20):
then when you have a joined up industrial policy will
you be able to get the private investment coming in
where the private businessman can see that they'll make a profit,
and also where you can put in public money, you
can put in taxpayers money without fearing that it's just

(25:42):
going down a black hole. So yeah, a lot of
SNP hypocrisy on display today because they were doing nothing
about it. And there's a picture on here. I don't
know where it came from, but or when it came from.
Rather it is these people demonstrating against the closure. And

(26:04):
I find a banner interesting It says Grangemouth Refinery extend absolutely,
invest absolutely and transition. Well, you see they're trying to
defend and keep open range Mouth Refinery using the same
ideology which is implicitly working to close it down. At

(26:25):
the end of the day. So I don't see. I'm
all for extending and investing, but they should lay off
the transition thing because it's the transition thing which is
killing it. Okay, But even some of these, maybe these unions,

(26:46):
they just see, look that's politically, that's really all that
we can talk about. Politically. Maybe they feel that they
can't say the transition things a load of nonsense. Net
zero's a load of nonsense. Climb it changes a load
of nonsense. You know. There you can get to the
stage where it's politically impossible to say something that everybody believes,

(27:08):
even if everybody believes a lie, even if everybody believes
something that's literally not real, then it can be almost
impossible to go against that, even if you've got the
truth on your side. So sometimes maybe in that case,
the union people feel they have to go along with
the transition thing because that's the only thing that people

(27:30):
will connect with. Maybe that's the reason. But ultimately it's
the green transition which is corrupting all of our industry,
which is far too expensive, certainly at the moment and
probably always always will be, and totally unnecessary when we
have abundant fossil fuels in existence, so very very bad

(27:56):
state of affairs, something that could be proper poorly addressed
by a government that had the national interests at heart
and was not falling full of the climate fantasies which
we're all obliged, it seems to believe. Let's have a

(28:21):
look at some of the comments. Hi to John from
sunny Scotstone, glad to hear the sunshining over there, as
he says, we can't even support our farmers. Paul says,

(28:47):
it's fragmentation and short termism all the way regarding our industries,
isn't it just Alexander says the folk Chemisp a few
months ago is talking nonsense about numerous interested parties, but

(29:08):
couldn't disclose anything due to confidentiality.

Speaker 2 (29:13):
HM.

Speaker 1 (29:20):
Christopher says the power industry is a case in point.
It should never have been privatized. We have lost control
of industrial strategy. Yes, that whole privatization versus nationalism thing
got corrupted back in the nineteen seventies, when if you
believed in nationalism nationalization rather of industries, you are considered

(29:43):
some sort of aberrant Soviet communist in disguise, whereas if
you believed in privatization you were some kind of freedom
loving capitalist. Two extremes were posited, which neither which were accurate,
but people took their sides and at the end of
the day, the privatization one seemed to win out, but

(30:07):
it also ended up selling off our industries to the
to the lowest possible bidders, privateers throughout the world, to
the point where now everything is owned by private interests
who don't care one way or the other about the
nation of Britain. They only care about making as much

(30:27):
money as possible and living in a foreign country somewhere
while laughing at us peons as we scrape the crumbs
off of their table. Yes, politics has painted them into
a corner. Regarding the the the the unions, whose only

(30:52):
defense is to argue for a just transition. Politics has
painted them into a corner, and that can happen. That
can happen with every politician, no matter how clever they are,
They can suddenly if they believe something that's not correct.
Then what's going to happen down the line is they're
going to end up painting themselves into a corner from

(31:15):
which they cannot escape, and they'll only make things worse.
That's why it's always best to try as much as
possible to live in the truth. Derek coming back in

(31:35):
with a historical point about Northern Ireland. He says, Scotland's
main Protestant Scotland was mainly Protestant religion at the time
of the Reformation. It was his main Protestant religion was
Presbyterian and they were called Ulster Scott's. The Americans wrongly
say Scot's Irish. Interesting. Okay, what I want to do

(32:11):
now is briefly look at a very good article that
appeared in the Daily Telegraph. Let me share the screen here,
I'll hold m Yeah, let me bring it up on

(32:40):
the screen. Where's it gone? Where's it gone? Let me

(33:08):
rewind refresh this here it is. Here we go. Britain's
immigration policy should ruthlessly discriminate against poor countries. They go
by Sam Ashworth Hayes. Now, this appeared online on the

(33:30):
twenty fourth of April, and it was in the twenty
fifth of April print edition. He says, quite rightly, it's
long past time. It's long past time that we started
applying scrutiny to migrants countries of origin. And he says,

(33:55):
and it's like what we're talking about earlier there about
the British government simply not looking properly at vital issues,
this short termism fragmentation, as Paul said, Sam says, perhaps
the strangest feature of Britain's economic reliance on mass migration
is that nobody can be entirely sure that this economic

(34:20):
reliance exists. British policy makers, looking to reduce growth and
bost spending power have spent decades pursuing a policy of
immigration without seeming to check that this supposed necessity actually
is one. The core of the problem is straightforward. While

(34:54):
other policies are subjected to rigorous assessments and the scrutiny
of the Treasury, migration slips under the radar. Newcomers are
treated as if they are interchangeable, while the short term
focus on fiscal forecasts, meaning tax forecasts, keeps lifetime costs
out of sight and out of mind. Lifetime costs, that

(35:20):
is to say, the cost of the immigrant over the
period of his or her life. Are they net contributors
or are they net recipients of taxes? And what? These
are things that could look so basic. So it's like, okay,

(35:43):
do people from from Africa, for example, are they putting
in in taxes more than they're taken out? Are people
from Poland putting in more than they're taken out? Are
people from the USA putting in more in taxes than
they're taken out? We need to know that in order
that we need to be able to generalize about what

(36:04):
are the best countries for immigrants who are going to
contribute the most economically into the country. You know, that's
just basic data, basic data that is going with the
wind as everything does in our lovely but misgoverned country.

(36:26):
So going down here, he says, there we are different groups,
for example, have different numbers of children and different requirements
for schooling and maternity services. Until recently we knew which

(36:47):
nationality has paid how much in tax and which claimed welfare.
Although we've stopped publishing these figures, we know who tends
to end up in social housing. So just as we
should be publishing on immigrants who commit crimes and what

(37:14):
countries they disproportionately come from, so we should also be
publishing these figures. Again, here we go. Impact of migrants
varies by national origin. The blue one there is Western migrants,

(37:35):
The light blue one is Danes. This is a study
taken from Denmark, the very very light blue one at
the bottom there is what's called men Act immigrants, which
are people from the Middle East and North Africa and

(37:59):
Pakistan and Turkey, and they they respond the poorest. Researchers
in the Netherlands have found that Western immigrants bring a
net benefit of thirty six thousand each and non Westerns

(38:21):
drain the pot by one hundred and forty three thousand.
These are very serious, serious figures and we need to
know more about them, and thankfully we've got people like
him speaking up and saying these need to be published.
These need to be published until this is addressed and

(38:55):
we can see the alternative working. A sensible migration policy
would account for this in its decision making. Differences between
countries matter as well as differences between individuals, and a
person's nationality is a useful indicator of their long term
impact on the on the tax purse. Absolutely, absolutely so.

(39:22):
These are figures that need to be discussed. These are
figures that need to be discussed, and they should be discussed.
And we're writing a book at the moment about about this,
hoping to get it published in the next couple of months.
If we can raise the funds for that, and we're

(39:43):
going to be addressing all that kind of stuff as well.
But these are basic pieces of data that our government
doesn't properly collect, and so we don't actually know whether
or not what they say about immigration and tax benefits
is even true or not. And if they are true,
to whom do they apply and to whom do they

(40:04):
not apply? Crucial critical stuff again, just the normal workings
of what you would imagine a sensible, serious government would do,
but alas not possible in Great Britain. Hm In another

(40:25):
area which does not get proper consideration as well, another
area which does not get proper consideration is the impact
of immigration on our actual political democracy. Many people imagine

(40:46):
that only British citizens can vote. Tomorrow we have English
Council elections. Many people will be going to those elections
thinking it's only British citizens and immigrants who have become
British citizens who will be allowed to vote at that

(41:07):
local election. Well, actually that's not the case at all.
And we've got a list here, a long list of
people who can vote at tomorrow's English Council elections. Let's
bring up the other one, this one who can vote,

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and we made this a post today. Obviously British citizens
of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland,
the Channel Islands and the Isle of Man. But did
you know that there's fourteen overseas British territories from Anguila, Bermuda,
Indian Ocean, Virgin Islands, Cayman Islands, Falkland Islands, Gibralton, Monserrat, Pitcairn,

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Saint Helena Ascension Island, Tristan, Kuna, South Georgia, South Sandwich,
Areas of Cypress and the Turks and Keicos Islands. Now
there's not going to be very many of them, granted,
but they can all vote. And I understand that's fair enough.
They're they're kind of part of the British jurisdiction and
the King is the head of all of them, so yeah,

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they can vote. However, here's the amazing thing. Look at
all these Commonwealth countries. Look at all of these Commonwealth
countries and I can't even read that out, But there's
more as well. Let's have the second one up there,
so more Commonwealth countries there as well. And then you've
got people from Hong Kong who have come in under
at a certain time with a certain passport. Then you've

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got this is England. You've got five members of the
European Union who have reciprocal relationships with England. That's Denmark, Luxemburg, Poland,
Portugal and Spain. They can all vote. And you've also
got Cypress and Malta who are part of the EU
and also part of the Commonwealth. And then you've got
the Republic of Ireland who have been able to vote

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since since forever. Actually they're still able to vote. Citizens
of the ROI can vote at any British election, as
can as can everybody from the Commonwealth also. Okay, so

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huge numbers of people there who can vote, and we
can't necessarily vote in their country. For example, at British
general elections. If you're in an Indian, you're not a
British citizen. You're just simply an Indian with legal access

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and residents in Britain. You can vote at every election
in Britain, including the British general election. However, you me,
we go to India, we can't vote unless we're in
Indian citizens, which is the way it should be. Similarly

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with Pakistan, if you're a legal resident from Pakistan living
in the UK, you can vote at every election in
the United Kingdom, including British general elections. And there's I'm

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going to say fifty six countries, not including the United
Kingdom who are members of the Commonwealth. Correct me if
I'm wrong on that all of these people can vote
at every election in the United Kingdom. That seems to
me crazy. How did that come about? So I did
a wee bit of research and I found a document
written by the House of Commons Library and published on

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the eleventh of July twenty twenty four, who can vote
in UK elections? And let's put up the first page
from that It explains that Commonwealth citizens can vote. In
nineteen twenty six, an Imperial Conference of the semi independent

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dominions of the Empire agreed that citizens were all equal
members of the community within the British Empire. They all
owed allegiance to the British King or Queen, although the
United Kingdom did not rule over them. This community was
called the British Commonwealth of Nations. By the Second World War,
many of the dominions were independent. However, many did not

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seek to establish their own citizenship until after the Second
World War. From nineteen forty nine, republics and other countries
could be part of the Commonwealth. In his book The
Electoral System in Britain, Robert Blackburn comments that the British
Nationality and Status of Aliens Act nineteen fourteen was refined

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by the British Nationality As nineteen forty eight to quote
replace the nation of common nationality with a system of
reciprocal Commonwealth citizenship. It also provided a system where countries
such as India and the African Republics were still to
be regarded for nationality purposes as British subjects. Okay. In

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the next part of that, going to the last paragraph,
the Representation of the People Act nineteen eighty three refers
to the franchise as encompassing Commonwealth citizenship, using the term
in the broad sense envisaged by the British Nationality Act
nineteen forty eight. The government gave assurances during the passage

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of the British Nationality Act nineteen eighty one that the
new definition of British subject would not alter the possession
of civic rights and privileges such as the right to vote. Okay,
So what you're looking at there is the right of
all people in the Commonwealth to vote at every election

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in the United Kingdom. Relates back basically to the nineteen
forty eight British Nationality Act, which was brought in before
mass immigration, okay, which didn't occur until the nineteen fifties,
and it basically said that if you're a member of
the Commonwealth, we're going to regard you as a British subject,

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which technically is a subject of the king. And that
has not been changed ever since, even though we've had
mass immigration, and even though many of these Commonwealth countries
are no longer part of the Crown. They're republics, so
these people are not actually British subjects anymore, but still

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they're considered to be British subjects and they're still therefore
given the vote in the United Kingdom. Well, I get that.
I get the idea that there's a kind of sentimentality
there that isn't it nice that these people are voting

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because they were once part of our great empire? I
get that. But today how many people are coming from Nigeria,
for example, and thinking to themselves, good old George the
sixth signing off on that British Nationality Act nineteen forty eight.
What a lad he was, Isn't that fantastic? We love

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all of those sorts of things about British history and tradition.
I don't know if that crosses anybody's mind. I think
maybe back in the early fifties it did. At that
brief period after the war up to the sixties, I
think there was among some immigrants a sense of British
culture which encouraged them to come to the United Kingdom.

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I get all of that, but I think now in
twenty twenty five, all of that is kind of in
the past. It seems out of time, and so why
are all of these people from the Commonwealth still getting
the vote? What I would say. What I would say
is that the only people who should get a vote,
whether at local council election, whether at mayoral elections, whether

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at Police commissioner elections, or whether at devolved elections, or
whether at British general elections, are British citizens. And I
would make a couple of exceptions. I would say, obviously
the people of the British overseas territories there's fourteen of them,

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including gibral To, the Falklands and so on, they should
also have the vote because they are part of the
British jurisdiction and of the Commonwealth countries. Only the Crown
Commonwealth countries, that is, only the fifteen Commonwealth countries that
have the King still as the head of state, who

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are still technically British subjects. Okay, they can have the vote,
but only if there's a reciprocal agreement in their country
that we can get the vote in their country. That's
the way it should be now and our policy, our

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policy pays proper respect to the ideology of the nineteen
forty eight British Nationality Act, which is give the vote
to people who are British subjects, genuine British subjects of
the King. Today that would be all British citizens, all

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members of the British overseas territories, and all members of
the British Crown Commonwealth. But all these other Commonwealth countries Nigeria, Pakistan, India,
there's no reason for their citizens to have the vote
in the United Kingdom. It's absurd, utterly absurd. Now it's

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even worse. It's even worse because in the devolved constituencies,
in the devolved regions, to say Scotland and Wales, Not
only do all of these people have the vote, but
everybody in the world has a vote. All you need
to be is a legal resident. So you could come

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in on a student visa two or three months before
the Hollywood election. You could be here only for three
years four years you'll get a vote at the Hollywood election.
And there are people who also want to bring that

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in to England as well. They don't really have a
case for it. The people up here didn't ever have
a case for it, but they got that through in
twenty twenty. David Cameron gave the power over the franchise
to the Senate and to Holyrood in the twenty sixteen

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Scotland Act, and by twenty twenty the SNP and Greens
and Labor and lib Dems took advantage of it in
order to give everybody the vote at Holyrood elections, regardless
of whether that person is invested in this country or

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in the long term. All you needed to be was
legally resident on any kind of work visa, student visa,
family visa or official refugee status or indefinite leave to
remain without being a British citizen. And they're people who

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want to bring that into England as well, especially now
with groups like Reform rising, because what they want to
do is they want to give the vote to new
immigrants faster than groups like Reform can convince the indigenous
population to vote for them. So they're seeing that the

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only way they can stop the rise of Reform is
basically to gerrymander the franchise. And think about it. If
you are importing tens of thousands, hundreds of thousands of
people each year legal immigrants, giving them legal residents and
giving them the vote on top of that, how quickly

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do you think that will utterly change the British political landscape?
And the franchise is something that our organization has been
concerned about from the very beginning. When we heard, for example,
that EU citizens were going to be able to vote

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at the twenty fourteen Scottish referendum, we started to look
into this in a big way and to see the
dangers of it as well. Imagine in a few years,
say if this was to be brought in in England,
a very legal resident gets the vote. Say they brought

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that in England just at council elections, what are you
going to have each year? You're going to have. These
constituencies are going to have such a high level of
churn of new immigrants. The new immigrants are going to
be told that party over there wants to deport you,
they want to deprive you of your rights, they want
to send you to prison, they want to do this,

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that and the next thing. All sorts of alarm missed
ideas will be put into the heads of all of
these immigrants, and they're not going to be voting for reform,
are they. So the franchise is a massive issue, and
it's being transformed by mass immigration, and I don't see

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anybody talking about this other than a force for good.
We're going to have a couple of chapters of it
in our new book. But basically the solution is simple.
We do need to disenfranchise a lot of people who
should not have the vote throughout the United Kingdom. We
need to have one franchise for the whole of the UK,

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and we need to disenfranchise lots of people who are
not British citizens. They should not have the vote. Only
British citizens, only British overseas territories, and only around Commonwealth.
These are the only people that we're thinking about given

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the vote to everybody else. Sorry, and if you're upset
about that, well you can always go somewhere else where
you can vote. It's a it's such a kind of
nuanced issue though that it doesn't set the woods on fire.
In the old days, it used to set the woods

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on fire. Denying the vote to certain categories of men
or certain categories of women that certainly quite literally set
the woods on fire. But these days people have got
kind of just used to it, and the very easily,
very easily convinced not to even think about this issue.

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But it's a vital issue because in a democracy, it's
the way our country moves. Our country moves in the
way that people vote. And if you're given the vote
to huge numbers of people who have got no long
term stake in this country and who are in and out,
who are constantly churning over as well coming into the

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country leaving the country, but getting the vote for the
few months or years that they happen to be here,
you will transform that country. So we need to make
it an issue. We're don't know what we can to
make it an issue. But tomorrow when you go to
the English Council elections, remember you're not alone. You're not
voting just because you're a British citizen. Basically, huge numbers
have got the vote. Huge numbers who should not have

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it have got it. So that's our new rallying cry,
disenfranchised people. I'm kidding in that sense, but ultimately that's
what needs to be done. There's large numbers who need
to have the vote taken off them because they're going
to change the country in ways that is not acceptable
because they've got no long term stake in the country.
They're not British citizens. They should not be deciding the

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direction of Britain if you're not a British citizen. I
would never think about going to a foreign country and
require demanding the vote without first becoming a citizen of
that country. Anyway, ran over comments, TC says absolutely unfounded

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at this information. Alistair. I'm absolutely fuming at the amount
of foreign immigrants allowed to change the course of our
British nation. Unbelievable, absolutely unbelievable. Christopher, no one who is
not British should be allowed to vote, not one, but
they are. Stephen says the lib Dems are plotting to
allow four million asylum seekers to vote. Well, that's I

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saw that, and that's what made me look into this
in the last couple of days, just maybe refsit this.
I don't think they're going to get away with that
because asylum seekers are not legally resident. But what they'll
do is is they'll say that they're going to have
asylum seekers, that they're going to promote that, and then

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as part of a wider bill to open up the franchise,
everybody will get concerned about that about asylum seekers and
illegals somehow getting the vote. Then what they'll do is
they'll drop that and they'll say it's panic's over. Asylum
seekers and illegals are not going to get the vote.
It's only just going to be legal residents as in
one point two million legal residents who came into the

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country last year. And people won't see the wee trick
that was played there, and they'll they'll go along with it.
That's the danger. But yeah, the lib Dems can be
guaranteed to take the most retarded policy and promote it.
They're a bit like the Labor Party, the Greens and

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the Es in that regard. Stevens says fifty eight percent
of all new migrants since the nineteen nineties have been
economically inactive in claiming benefits and are a net drain
according to Migration Watch. Yes, that's very good, very good,

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Christopher says, quite rightly, the nineteen forty eight British Nationality
Act was the greatest disaster to befall the UK post war.
Certainly was, and the Christopher also says that it was
David Cameron who allowed the Scottish Executive to rebrand as
the Scottish Government. Cameron was absolutely hopeless. We do have

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a good article on citizenship and the vote already up
at a Force for good dot UK forward slash single
hyphen post forward slash citizenship. Derek's already written his manifesto here.

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The way we govern ourselves should must be reformed. Our
laws must be changed to protect our hard built way
of life. A white Christian constitution must be written and
adhered to with British flags flying in schools and every
public building. We cannot give forumers the vote, who are

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going to vote to break up our country, says Katherine. Absolutely.
And even if they didn't vote to break it up,
what they're going to do is they're going to vote
to change it into something different. Quite naturally and understandably
from their perspective. British Legends says totally agree. Well said, yes,

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that's what I was getting at when I was talking
to Stephen. There it's a left wing tactic, demand much
more than you need, such as votes for asylum secers,
then roll back, and everybody thinks it's okay again because
you roll back a bit, But you were actually further
forward than you wanted to be when you started, even

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though you roll back from the most that you demanded.
But you've got a good way of putting these points
of view into very few words. Thank you now, goodness
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