Nick Buckley MBE on Good Evening Britain Ep 146. 9 July 2025

Alistair McConnachie of pro-UK unionist campaign group and think tank, A Force For Good (AFFG), guest Nick Buckley, and viewers discuss:
- Welcome.
- Pics from our Street Stall on 5-7-25.
- Our new book "Protect our Country" is going to be launched on Sat 19th July 2025.
- The Channel Crossers act like "illegals" but, crazy though it sounds, they are exercising their "legal right" under the UK's membership of the UN Refugee Convention. 
- We can't blame the French entirely when it is Britain's fault!
- GUEST: NICK BUCKLEY. Topics include: British sit-coms; Nick's book "Lessons in Courage"; fighting back against cancel culture; wins and losses; state-funding and charities; Nick's book "The Making of a Beggar"; could charities be funded by the public; Nick's new book "Anglophobia"; why we are hated; what we have achieved; find all Nick's books on Amazon by searching "Nick Buckley".
- Our 28-day British Summertime Crowdfunder ends, and the total is...

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This is the 146th episode of "Good Evening Britain" broadcast on Wednesday 9th July 2025.

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:01):
Hello, and welcome to Good Evening Britain, a Force for
Goods weekly show coming to you live from our studios
here in the heart of the great British city of Glasgow,
with me your host, Aliston mcconachie. We are broadcasting on
all our digital platforms throughout the United Kingdom and across

(00:22):
the world. We're bringing you quality pro UK comment and
analysis every Wednesday from seven until eight pm on Facebook,
on YouTube, on x and also on TikTok. Great show

(00:42):
lined up for you this evening. As you can see
running along the bottom there, our twenty eight day crowdfunder
ends during this show. It ends at seven thirty tonight
and we'll be able to tell you how much we've made.
We're aiming for seventy percent of our total, which would
be eighteen hundred quid, which would be great. We're currently

(01:05):
at one thousand, six hundred and twenty. Can we get
the extra one hundred and eighty pounds in while we're
on the show. We shall see, We shall see. But
that is really going to help whatever happens to get
us through the next six months to the end of
the year so we can continue to bring you the
quality analysis and the patriotic comment that you've become acquainted

(01:31):
to by now. Also at the bottom of the hour,
we're very very pleased to have one of Britain's biggest
YouTube content creators as a guest. Nick Buckley MBE, is
going to be on. Nick has run for Mayor of

(01:53):
Greater Manchester twice and at the last time that he ran,
he came third. He is something of a personality. He's
been on quite a few shows and he became fairly
famous back in twenty twenty when he was sacked from
his own charity for complaining about all the BLM carry

(02:16):
on and he wrote a book as a consequence of that,
and indeed he's written several books since then, and he's
got another book coming out this week. So lots to
talk about with Nick Buckley MBE. At the bottom of
the hour at seven thirty. He's going to be on
for twenty five minutes and can't wait to chat with

(02:37):
him and find out all about his very interesting life
and everything he's got to say, which really is is
quite remarkable. Now, if you're on TikTok, I'm afraid you
won't see the interview because it's being conducted here via
stream yard. So we'll end the TikTok broadcast at seven thirty,
but you can watch it on our YouTube channel or

(03:01):
our Facebook channel. Forward Slash UK A force for good
as always. As always, so yeah, busy, busy, busy week.
We were out again on Saturday the fifth. There we
had a nine man team at our street stall here

(03:25):
in Glasgow. Really good day, really good day. Met a
lot of people and chatted to a lot of people
and as always, people love to see us.

Speaker 2 (03:35):
There.

Speaker 1 (03:36):
We've got one or two pictures that will throw up
of our amazing team at the at the stall and
let's see where we are. Yeah, there's one right there.
That's six of us. There's me on the on the

(03:58):
right hand side as you're looking at the screen. Great team.
Another three guys couldn't fit in around the table. That
was the problem. So many of us we couldn't even
fit in. Okay, now there's a shot. There's a shot.
Isn't that great? These t shirts, by the way, they're

(04:21):
available at our te spring dot com store. Go to
te spring dot com and you'll get them, or just
go to our shop actually, and there's a link to
our te Spring store there as well. Okay, close up
of our stall. We had a few a few things

(04:43):
we were given away there, just keeping keeping ourselves in
front of the public. Great stuff, okay. And there was
also one of our one of our people there check
check out. Check out this chap who was one of

(05:04):
the guys on our stall with some affg designs, very nice,
including this one. Now I have to say, you cannot
actually get these trainers a force for good trainers at
our shop, but our colleague thought it would be a
great idea to get the made for himself. Pretty snazzy,

(05:30):
pretty pretty snazzy, great stuff. So that was a good day.
Talking about books, our book, we can now we can
now say with absolute certainty that our book will be
released at midnight on the morning of Saturday, the nineteenth
of July. We uploaded it today to Amazon and we

(05:53):
requested a proof copy, so that we'll have a proof
copy by the start of next week. We can check
the book and just check it again for typos and
for layout and all that kind of stuff, ready to
go pristine on the morning of the nineteenth, when God willing,

(06:14):
we're going to be also in Dover launching it in
Dover at the protest which is happening that same day
called the Great British National Protest, which is complaining quite
rightly and protesting about all the so called asylum seekers

(06:37):
coming into Dover being brought in by the British State.
And that book is called Protect Our Country Policies to
Stop Mass Immigration. It's going to be three hundred and
twenty pages long, and it's going to be retailing at
twelve ninety nine, which is the cheapest we can retail

(06:59):
it because Amazon does take a big cut. It takes
the printing costs, and it takes royalties, and we're left
with what's left. So twelve ninety nine is the cheapest
that we can sell that at and still make a
reasonable surplus on each copy. But twelve ninety nine for

(07:22):
three hundred and twenty pages and info packed pages. I
look at it and I'm just this is the most
amazing creation. It really is the result of years of work.
If I had wanted, I could have written twice that,
and we will write more on the matter. But it's

(07:42):
all the information that you need to know whittled down
into the policies, and that will be going live. You'll
hear all about it on our platforms when it goes live.
But at that point all you will need to do
is search Outmazon for Protect Our Country and you'll be
able to find it anyway. It's volume two of a

(08:05):
big book for the Union series. Now talking of Dover,
something I want to talk about. Matt Goodwin writes a
lot of really good stuff and he published this article
in or The Daily Mail published his article third of

(08:29):
July twenty twenty five. Matt Goodwin labors loveless landslide one
year on. A nation that cannot control its own borders
is not a serious nation. A country that cannot keep
its own people safe will not survive. But this is
precisely what Britain, our home has been reduced to under

(08:50):
Starmer's watch. Absolutely, for it to be a country, it
has to have a protected border. And if a country
will not have a protected border, it means it can't
keep its people safe and it won't survive. That's why
we came up with the idea for our book which
has Protect our Country lots of good material in here.

(09:15):
I do want to raise a point though, with something
that he said, which I think is really quite important.
He said, since Labor took office almost exactly a year ago,
almost fifty thousand migrants, mainly young men, have entered Britain illegally,
taking the total since twenty eighteen to more than one

(09:37):
hundred and seventy thousand. Now he's talking about the gentleman
who cross the English Channel in their sailing equipment one
hundred and seventy thousand since twenty eighteen. Now he's saying

(09:59):
here that they've entered Britain illegally. Now I know that
he's saying that for the purposes of rhetoric, and it
works to get people annoyed that illegals are coming in.
But I do want to emphasize that that's the incorrect
way of framing it, because they're only being allowed to

(10:22):
do this because that is a legal form of entry,
a legal LGL, a legal form of entry under Britain's
membership of the UN Refugee Convention. Under Britain's membership of
the UN Refugee Convention, you are allowed to get into
the country any way you want legally, it's perfectly legal

(10:46):
if you're going to clim asylum. It's all related back
to the nineteen fifties. One they thought that people were
getting turned away at the borders during the war and
all that kind of stuff. So they decide that they
would change that. They would set up this convention which
would enable people to get in surreptitiously into a nation

(11:08):
and be allowed to do that legally if they could
claim that their life was in danger. So the reason
these one hundred and seventy thousand have got in is
because they are legally allowed to do that under the
UN Refugee Convention. So if you're calling them illegals, you're

(11:31):
misunderstanding the solution, because the solution is to render them illegal,
because right now they're illegal, So we must render them
illegal so that we can then punish them for illegal entry.
But so long as we remain within the UN Refugee Convention,

(11:51):
they are legal and they are legally entitled to come
in in that manner. So the answer is to enshow
sure that that form of entry is made illegal so
that they can then be punished with the deterrent of prison. Now,

(12:13):
how do you do that. We cannot do that under
the UN Refugee Convention, So we have to leave the
UN Refugee Convention and we have to set up our
own Refugee Convention. And so if you keep talking about
it them being illegal, you're not properly explaining what's happening.

(12:36):
It's important to understand that anyone making a claim under
the UN Refugee Convention must be considered to be exercising
their legal right to do so under the UK's membership
of that convention, and so the tendency of some politicians
to refer to those who, for example, cross the Channel

(12:58):
in small boats as illegal immigrants is a serious confusion
of their status. So like it or not, under Britain's
membership of the UN Refugee Convention, they are to be
considered legal despite entering in this subversive manner. And that's

(13:21):
the major reason why we can't stop the traffic under
present circumstances, because it's legal, and you could given question
whether the gang masters are doing anything illegal, because they're
really just allowing these people to exercise their legal right.
So it's a key policy in our new book Protect

(13:41):
Our Country, which will be able to get off Amazon
dot co dot uk, that the UK must leave the
UN Refugee Convention in order that we can declare such
passage to be illegal. And when we do that, when
we declare that passage to be illegal. Then we will
be able to use those who engage in it of

(14:02):
being in clear breach of our immigration law of entry,
and we will be able to punish these prison people
and send them to prison. And believe me, that will
stop the traffic very quickly, and we won't have to
do it to very many, and we won't have to
do it for very long until the rest of the

(14:23):
world gets the message. So that's a core part of
our our manual, our stop mass Immigration manual, which people
will not have heard properly expressed in those ways before
until a Force for Good comes along and just lays

(14:44):
it out and we can talk about it. We can
say these things publicly. We've got nothing to lose. We
are sitting far enough back to be able to see
the big picture and to be able to explain the
answer as clearly as we possibly can. So, folks, we've
got Nick Buckley coming up at seven thirty. Nick Buckley

(15:04):
mbe of the Nick Buckley YouTube channel, one of Britain's
biggest patriotic YouTubers. You'll see the interview here on Facebook
dot com, Forward slash UK of Force for Good, or
on our YouTube or x pages. A fantastic chat with
a lot to talk about. Let's see what we've got here.

(15:30):
Oxanna says there's also a lot of NGOs involved. They
benefit financially, as do the charities that encourage this. Absolutely,
it's an absolute money spinner with guaranteed customers as long
as Britain allows it. Hi to Derek hmm. Now Matt

(15:54):
cron is in the United Kingdom at the moment, and
who knows what they're discussing behind closed doors. But I'd
like to just mention something about the French if I may,
And again this has been in the news. Why can't

(16:17):
the French stop the boats? Now? Last week, in what
was probably a staged incident, some French police did go
and sink dinghy in small waters with a Stanley knife

(16:39):
and it solved the problem for all of an hour
or so. Anyway, it certainly stopped these folk coming across.
And people will say, why can't the French just do
more of that? And it's a valid complaint at some level.
But think about it this way. If you're French official, Okay,

(17:02):
these people are only on your beach because they're trying
to get to Britain, and they're only trying to get
to Britain because Britain is allowing it. Britain is allowing
these people to cross. So long as we are members
of the UN Refugee Convention, we are obliged to let

(17:23):
these people try to claim asylum. We can't punish them.
We should be able to, but we can't. Not only that,
but we do have a political class which in the
last fifty years has developed in such a way to
molly caudle these people to give them, to take their

(17:43):
concerns seriously. Put it that way. So they're all trying
to get to Britain. The only reason they're in France
is to get to Britain. So why should the French
lift a finger when they know that so long as
Britain allows these people entry, there's always going to be

(18:06):
thousands upon thousands upon thousands of these young men making
it to the coast of France. If I was a
French official, I would say, I'm not doing anything until
Britain sorts itself out. I'm not here to solve the
problem that Britain has created. Okay, So at the moment,

(18:28):
the French won't stop the boats seriously, regardless of how
much money we give them, because they quite rightly see
it all as Britain's fault, and they know that the
people in Cali are only in Cali to get to
Britain because they've been drawn into France by the promise

(18:48):
of getting to Britain. Therefore, why should the French lift
a finger? Why should they lift a finger when Britain
does nothing to disincentivize this traffic, Why should France do
the hard work? Is Britain that's causing the issue? Is
Britain's fault that they're in France in the first place. However,

(19:11):
I believe that once Britain does properly clamp down, and
once Britain is seen to be serious and it's no
longer putting up with this, then the French will turn
around and they'll say, Okay, finally, finally, now it's worth
our while to get out of bed, to get serious,

(19:32):
because we know that the British are not going to
tolerate this any longer. So France, I think, will only
get serious when Britain gets serious about stopping the pool
of these people into France, which we can do when
we leave the UN Refugee Convention and when we set

(19:54):
up a new law that anybody entering via the Channel
gets fast tracked to prison. Regardless of what you claim
is happening to you in your homeland, you'll go to
prison and then you'll be sent back. And once we're
out of the UN Refugee Convention, we won't need to

(20:16):
care about whether it's a safe country or not. We
can just send them back, which is what we should
have been doing in the first place, and that will stop.
That will stop the traffic. People will just go, oh,
it's not worth it's not worth checking out Britain anymore.
We may as well go to another country and try
our chances there. So I'm not I'm not pro France,

(20:38):
but I do understand why the French are lackadaisical about this.
I do understand that they see it as Britain's fault
and until Britain does something to stop the attraction of
these people, then France is not going to solve the problem.

(21:00):
So it's Briton really that has to get its ACKed together.
Will it get its act together under q Starmer? Possibly?
Possibly not. But let's hope that if a new government
comes in, whenever that may be, that they will at
least know how to deal with it and if they've
read our new book Protect our Country Policies to Stop
Mass Immigration, they will totally understand the philosophy and they

(21:21):
will totally understand the policy behind how to stop the boats. Great, great, folks.
In a couple of minutes, we've got Nick Buckley coming on.
You won't be able to see the interview with Nick
Buckley if you're on TikTok, folks, just head over to

(21:44):
YouTube or Facebook and you'll find it there. Yes, good, Okay, Now, folks,
I'm going to have to say goodbye to you on
TikTok because we're going to bring in our guest here.
But thanks everybody for watching on TikTok to give us
a four. Now, folks, I'm going to bring on Nick Buckley.

(22:05):
Many people will know of Nick Buckley. For those who
do not, Nick is one of the most successful and
certainly most hardest working, indefatigable YouTube content producers on the
patriotic field in the UK right now. Every day, Nick

(22:28):
is putting out valuable informative content on his YouTube page,
which you can find by simply going to YouTube and
typing in Nick Buckley MBE. Nick is also a prolific
author who's been writing a book every year since twenty twenty,

(22:49):
and he's got a new book to talk about tonight
as well. So we've got twenty five minutes with Nick.
Let's see how much we can pack in, and folk,
please do say hello to Nick.

Speaker 2 (23:03):
Good evening, Nick, good evening, and thank you for having me.

Speaker 1 (23:08):
Very welcome, very welcome. Well you myself on your show
back on the twenty fifth of April, and I was
to be on it, and I looked at the clip
that you put up to back then and it's got
over eight thousand views. So I was totally delighted by that.

(23:31):
Over eight thousand views and over two hundred comments, which
is the sort of traction of course for Good can
only dream of, quite frankly. But down to your your
hard work and your constant work, and well, you're working
on a video today, by any chance.

Speaker 2 (23:49):
I edited a video today and got it out. It
was part of a video I did with the actor
James Dreyfus, who was in Kimmy Kimmy, Kimmy and the
Thin Blue Line. And the clip is all about us
talking about how poor sitcoms are in the UK at
the moment, because I don't watch them. Best comedies really
were from the seventies and the eighties.

Speaker 1 (24:12):
Absolutely, absolutely, I think so. I think so. The Basil
Faulty series I think was my favorite in the eighties
and the seventies, probably Dad's Army.

Speaker 2 (24:24):
Yeah, that's then you're also looking at Popage, Open All Hours,
Rising damp. I mean you can the list goes on
and on and on.

Speaker 1 (24:36):
Well, you're a bit of a cultural commentator in your books,
which are infused with that sort of those sorts of ideas.
Do you have any theories as to why entertainment may
have shifted in some way?

Speaker 2 (24:53):
Oh? Yeah, it started in the eighties with the cancel
I mean we had a program in the eighties Primetown
TV called The Comedians, and we had people like Bernid
Manning on the Comedians and the early eighties. And Bernie
Manning is now seen as unbearable, untouchable, a racist, and

(25:16):
he told racist jokes, but so did everybody those days.
I'm not saying it was the right thing. I'm saying
it was the wrong thing. They were the sort of
joke to be told on the circuits around North of England.
He got canceled. Benny Hill is one of the most
successful comedies the BBC ever exported around the world. There

(25:37):
still being shown now in countries Benny Hill. We canceled
it in the UK because it's just politically incorrect chasing women.
It started in the early eighties with political correctness, and
the modern term of that now is woke is wokeness,
and people like that don't have a sense of humor.
They really don't remember.

Speaker 1 (26:01):
Back in the nineties, I think it was and you're
talking about exporting Benny Hill to America, there was a
prison riot kicked off in one of the American prisons
because the warders wouldn't allow the Benny Hill Show to
be shown, which always kind.

Speaker 2 (26:20):
Of puzzled me about.

Speaker 1 (26:21):
It was probably because the prisoners were just watching it
for all the women running around and that was their
weekly thrillers, it were. But no, you couldn't really do that,
not even at like at eight o'clock at night or
something like. That was when these programs were aired, And
in fact, there was quite a lot of stuff in
the seventies especially that was that was pretty weird, especially

(26:43):
for children as well. Children's programming back in the seventies,
I think it disturbed a lot of us In many
ways some weird, weird programs anyway, talking about canceled there,
and your first book was called Lessons Encourage and there

(27:05):
it is there how I fought back against cancel culture
and one and well, firstly, just can you give me
just a quick analysis of what that book's about before
I ask you one or two more questions about it?

Speaker 2 (27:22):
Sure? So, most people know me from five years ago
when I was canceled because I criticized Black Lives Matter
online at the height of Black Lives Matter, not because
I was brave, but because I was stupid. I thought
I was a free person with free speech in a
free country, and I just gave my opinion. I had

(27:43):
no idea what was coming down the track. I wasn't brave,
I was naive. But I got sacks from the charity
I founded by the trustees who were my friends, personal friends.
They emailed me saying your sacks. People online are saying
you've a Nazi, which was amazing because six months before
I was awarded an MBE from our late Queen for

(28:04):
all the work I've done. So six months hell of
a fall that MBE to Nazi in six months. So
the sacks mill remail and I then my life fell apart.
For the first week, I was self pity. You know
what I've done. Now, you know, I'm sorry, I've done this.
What can I do my life? So I was just pathetic.

(28:27):
And after a week I heard this little voice inside
in the head saying, what are you doing? Get up,
brush yourself down, fight back. You're not going to get
a charity back, that's done, but you need to save
your reputation because if you don't save your reputation, you're
unemployable for the for the you know, forever. So I

(28:48):
got back up, I fought back, and in five weeks,
I beat the board at the charity. I forced them
all to resign in disgrace. I appointed a new board.
I approved the new board. The new board offered my job,
offered me my job back, and I got my job back.
So from thinking I couldn't get the charity back, within
five weeks, I beat them all. I beat the online

(29:09):
online crowd, I beat the people calling for me to
be executed, and I beat them all. And then I
analyzed and had a look inside about how that happened,
and I realized, first of all, I realized they were
all so easy to beat. I sign a bit glib.
Now it wasn't It wasn't easy at the time I

(29:29):
was going through hell, but in hindsight was like Jesus,
that was easy to beat. They were all cowards. People
online were cowards. The trustees were cowards. Nobody wanted a fight,
and they should have known. I was going to fight back.
I've been fighting all my life. And then I thought,
what do I do now I've got my job back wonderful.

(29:53):
I should keep my mouth shut now. I should stop
talking about politics. I should carry on with my nice life,
with my really good wage, with a job I love,
with a job that I excel at that I'm seeing
an expert in. I should just shut up now. And
that little voice came back to me and said, you
sound like a coward. Now, Nick, you sound like a coward.

(30:14):
They may not have beatured that, they may not have
beat you to death, but they've beaten you enough to
make you shut your mouth. And that's when I said, no,
this fight's not over for me, because there'll be people
out there who are being treated like this, who haven't
got my luck, my big mouth, my experience, who are

(30:35):
still going to get beaten down and ruined their lives.
I thought, no, I need to carry on. So I thought,
I need to write a book. I need to explain
how I fought this fight and why. And it wasn't
like a strategy as in I do this, do that.
It was what are the things I've overcome in my
life that have made me the man I am today?

(30:56):
Because let's be honest, all our lives are tough. We've
all overcome things. It doesn't matter who you've don't matter
you a millionaire. We've all overcome things in our lives
to get to where we are. It might be death
of a pair, and it might be getting over in illness,
it might be a wife cheating on you. We've all
overcome difficulties, and those difficult difficulties give us strength. So

(31:17):
in my book, I was showing my difficulties in my
life and how I used the learning from those difficulties
a to toughen me up, to make me more resolute
and to give me the confidence to be able to
fight back. And that's what the book's about. And at
the end of the book, I rip off the last chapter.

(31:37):
I rip off Jordan Peterson because he had the best
seller at the time called Ten Rules for life, and
I thought I need to tap into that. It might
sell more books. So last chapter was my ten bits
of advice about lessons and courage, and I give examples
such as, chin up when you walk into a room,
should us back? Chin up because you had nothing to

(31:59):
be afraid of. If you betray yourself as confidence, people
will think you're confident. And there's only two types of
people in this world, unconfident people and unconfident people who
pretend they're confident. They're the only two people in the world.
So just pretend you're confident and you're halfway there. Stop
saying stop saying oh sorry, start saying no. When people

(32:23):
actually do something you don't want to do. You're at work,
and so I said, you want to go on this
training course about white fragility. No, don't explain yourself. Yeah,
why don't you want to go? I don't want to know.
Can you explain yourself?

Speaker 1 (32:37):
No?

Speaker 2 (32:38):
You own no one an explanation. Use the word no.
It's a very powerful word. It shuts people up because
they don't know how to come back to that. And
I gave ten tips about how how you can be
more confident and how you can be not brave because
I wasn't brave, and I don't want people to be brave,
because that's a sort of different thing altogether. I just

(32:59):
want people not to be cowardly. There's a huge difference there.
Being brave is knowing you're going to face consequences, but
you do it anyway cowardly. Not being a coward means
you're scared stiff, but you know it's the right thing
to do, so therefore you have to do it, and
you're scared and you don't want to do it, so

(33:23):
don't be a coward. I'm not asking people to be brave.
That's what the book's about.

Speaker 1 (33:29):
Amazing, absolutely, and it's amazing to think that you got attacked,
but not only did you fight back, not only did
you get your job back, not only did you get
a whole new load of trustees to work with, but
it actually set you down a road now where you

(33:49):
wrote a book to explain to others to whom such
a thing might happen how to handle it, and it
also set you down the path of being I think
it did anyway, is correct If I'm wrong with being
a YouTube creator putting out what you believe best part
of every day really so I mean talk about winning.

(34:12):
That's an incredible line of wins that you stacked up
upon some person who no doubt complained about something you
had said, which would only be reflecting what everybody was
thinking at that ridiculous time in twenty twenty, when it

(34:32):
was a kind of revolution because a lot of people
in their houses and then they promoted that whole crazy
BLM thing to drive people to distraction and confusion. And
I do think it was a kind of revolution. I'm
not saying that it won or beat us entirely, but

(34:54):
it did move things their way a big way.

Speaker 2 (34:57):
It felt like it felt like they were going to
burn the country down. They were going to burn the
West down. At that time, the Prime Minister wasn't even
commenting on anything. Everybody was scared stiff. They thought of
evolution was coming. Now just go back to something he
said that I had a saeries of wins. It sounds
like that, but they really weren't wins. I had a

(35:20):
series of losses. There could have been worse, but there
were series of losses. I lost friends. I lost the
friends at the charity, you know, the trustees, they were
friends I when I came back the charity was almost
went under because all the funders pulled out. I had
to save the charity, and by doing that, I had

(35:41):
to make people redundant straight away. That was the first
thing I did when I came back. I had to
make five, six, seven, eight people redundant. That and they'd
been with us years. That wasn't a win. I then
spent a year saving the charity. Most of our funders
pulled out, councils stopped working with us because of the
bad press, And after a year I saved the charity.

(36:03):
And then I realized I had to resign because the councils,
the housing associations funders still wouldn't give us money because
it was run by Nick the Nazi, So I still
had to leave. I left on mid terms, but I
still had to leave. It was a series of losses.
They just were less of a loss than they would

(36:23):
have been.

Speaker 1 (36:24):
Yeah. Yeah, that's just shows you the power of the
state to give money to those it approves of and
those it doesn't approve of. I mean, I'm not against
that as such, I would like to see the state
take money away from lots of NGOs and charities that

(36:45):
are subversive. In the new book that we're publishing next week,
Protect our Country. We do advocate that those NGOs that
say want to help integration of say refugees, Okay, it's

(37:06):
fine to give them money for a purpose that will
be necessary for the wider society. But when those same
charities moved to becoming politically active, politically promoting more immigration,
politically opposing government policies, and basically just campaigning for open doors,
which is really what many of these charities do, then

(37:28):
they should be fully or partially defunded. They need to
be kept in line because, as always mentioned, when Rishis
Sunac had his Rwanda scheme, there was hundreds of publicly
funded charities that were campaigning against that policy. So the
Tory Party, the Tory government was paying millions to charities
that were campaigning against the Tory government's policies. That to

(37:52):
me doesn't compute at all. But in your case, what
was the charity specifically focus done.

Speaker 2 (38:01):
So Chevy was called Man Union Way and it had
several projects. The three main projects was the one it's
still running now, which is working on the streets in
the evenings and weekends, engaging kids stop and get involved
in crime and anti social behavior. And the other project
it was running at the time was working with the homeless,

(38:21):
so working on the streets in Manchester City Center, getting
people off the streets, but also another project getting people
when once was off the streets, getting them jobs on
building sights. And all those projects were multi award winning projects.

Speaker 1 (38:36):
Excellent, excellent? Is that what also uh impeled you to
publish your was it your second book, Begging and the
Problems of Begging? What's what's that one called? I think
the Making of a Beggar rejecting personal responsibility? And so

(38:59):
I read the for US chapter of that on Amazon
today and I thought it was very impressive. And what's
inspired you to to do that? That would of course
be inspired presumed by your work.

Speaker 2 (39:10):
It is so I've spent twenty years working with homeless
people on the streets, sitting down on wet evenings on
main roads, chatting to them. Why you're here, why you're begging?
What help do you need? Do you need any support?
You're looking for accommodation or you're just begging for money
for drugs? Do you need food? Do you need mental try?
At least this takes months of work with one person.
This isn't you know, don't sit down and suddenly get

(39:33):
someone accommodation and help, because to begin with, they don't
want anything off you. The second people trying to trying
to get him help and support, they just want to
be left alone to beg to earn money for money
for drugs. But we've got hundreds off the streets, one
hundreds into jobs. And at one point I was advising

(39:54):
Bob Johnson's when he's Prime Minister, on how we need
to be doing this nationally. I was speaking to your
policy unit. So I'm seeing as a bit of an
expert at this controversial but a bit of an expert.
And the more I looked around Greater Manchester and especially
in Manchester, the more begging I was seeing. And I

(40:15):
can tell if someone's rough sleeping or not just by
looking at them. And no one, none of these people
were off sleeping or begging for money for drugs. And
the more I looked, and the more I thought, they're
just like everybody else, aren't They were all beggars now
COVID had finished. Now we're all begging off the state
for these for you know, to stay at home on
eighty percent of money. And we all want this and

(40:37):
we all want that. And I remember hearing a conversation
about a couple that I knew, both on eighty percent
of their wages having to go back to work now,
and they weren't happy about it. And I realized, we're
becoming we're becoming beggars off the state. And it's been
going on all my life. And so I wrote a

(40:58):
book on comparing everyday people in the UK to the
people we see sat on corners begging with paper cups,
and there's lots and lots of similar habities. And it's
all about rejecting personal responsibility. It's about expecting someone to
do something for you. It's about feeling as a victim,

(41:19):
feeling you've been hard done by always blaming somebody else.
And then I looked at why the government are doing it.
It's the same reasons why we put some people put
a couple of coins and a paper cup on a
Friday night outside the pub makes us feel good. We
don't do it and prove the lives the person we're
giving a couple of quid two. We're doing it because

(41:41):
it makes us feel good. It's got nothing to do
about the drug addicts on the street corner who's slowly
dying over years. It's not about him or her. We
don't care about them. It's about us walking away going
My mum was right. I am an amazing person because
I just give him two pounds and then do And
that's what the government's doing towards The government is slowly

(42:03):
killing us by doing more and more and giving us
more and more and more. And it has to end.
We need us more, we need we need a fraction
of the state we have now. We need to reduce taxes,
we need to give We need to let people keep
more of their money to sort their own lives out.
And going back to what you said about funding charities.

(42:24):
I want charities funded, but not by the government. I
won't mean you to fund charities, mean you to fund
the charities we believe in, because we'll hold them accountable
if they want our money every month. So let's stop
taking tax more and more taxes off people and let's
create a culture where it's low tax But we have
a culture where we want to give to charities we

(42:45):
think are valuable and put it. And if you fund
a charity I disagree with, well, great, it was your
money and you can do what you want with your money.
I'm just sacing a government taking our money and giving
it to the wrong charities.

Speaker 1 (43:00):
Yes, yes, and that's true. I suppose the idea. A
lot of charities probably wouldn't survive if they were dependent
upon they are actual people donating money. Because bigger charities

(43:21):
they need just to keep it running. They're going to
need two or three people on at least a minimum wage.
So to try to raise you know, fifty forty thousand
whatever from the public per year is for most charities
is going to be impossible.

Speaker 2 (43:38):
Is at a moment when we're being taxed so much.
But if you could imagine the flat rate of tax
was ten percent, No, that's insurance, just flat rate ten percent.
We've got thousands of pounds more every year. We're more
likely to go. Do you know what? I want that
youth club at the end of my street to continue.
I am going to give him a ten of the month.

(43:58):
At the moment we don't do that, we go why
is that youth club closing down? The government need to
give them money? Well, no, keep mob with your own
money and then you fund the projects you want to
see that are valuable to you in your area. We
need to stop looking nationally and globally. I want us
concentrating on our neighbor, on our neighbors and our community

(44:20):
in our society. We need to be concentrating more local,
not on this national level. It doesn't work.

Speaker 1 (44:27):
Yeah, this reminds me of the famous saying that everybody
wants to save the world, but nobody wants to help
mom with the dishes, which is a good way of
doing it, and certainly the point that you made there
as well. But feeling good. I suppose in some cases
people will will do that just for their own sort

(44:50):
of self gratification. At least they give them some money.
I suppose there's one.

Speaker 2 (44:54):
Let me give you a couple of real life examples
about people on the streets that will put this in
context bit better for your listeners. So I remember once
sitting seeing a guy on Deansgate in my city center,
big main road to the city center. Never seen him before,
So I sat down with him, had a chat about
why you're here? You know, what can we do for you?
You know we're going to stop every time we see
you now see how you're doing. And I can't remember

(45:17):
how the conversation got to this point, but he said
I'm better than a rat, and I remember going, you're
better than a rat and he went yeah. I went,
what do you mean by that? And he went, well,
rats have to climb through bins to get the things
people don't want. I'm lucky people give me the things

(45:38):
they don't want. At least I'm better than a rat.
So people who keep giving him half eating burgers, bags
of chips, a couple of quid and think they're doing
this man of favor, they're not. What they're doing is
they're slowly chipping away this man's self respect and his
humanity because he knows he only gets given the app

(46:00):
you don't want. And it's got to stage now that
the best thing you can say about himself is I'm
better than that.

Speaker 1 (46:09):
Yes, yes, that's that's that's not a very good statement
that you don't want to be saying that to yourself
each morning. No, that's that's terrible. Amazing work that you've
that you've done with with the homeless people in Manchester.
And talking about your other books as well, because I

(46:31):
know you've got a new one coming out. You had
a book on the English, specifically on on on England
that was published last year was that What was that
one called?

Speaker 2 (46:41):
That was called England, My England, The Death and Resurrection
of the greatest country to ever exist.

Speaker 1 (46:47):
Excellent. I love your subtitles, absolutely fantastic. So carrying on
that was presumably, ah, that was the word when you
boost something for England anywhere, but a big, a big
elaboration on how good England was. But now your next
one is on anglophobia, and we've got a cover of

(47:12):
that one as well, Nick Buckley, Anglophobia a price worth
paying to be English? A price worth paying to be English.
That's an interesting subtitle. Well, firstly, how do you define anglophobia?

Speaker 2 (47:27):
So that's the first bit of the book. So technically
anglophobia is the hatred of dislike of the English, but
it means so much more than that. Now it now
means dislike and hatred of the British. It's gone beyond that.
It now means hatred, dislike of the anglosphere, meaning between America,

(47:50):
you know, Australian, New Zealand, Canada. But it's gone beyond
that now. Anglophobia now basically means dislike in hatred of
white people. That's what that word means now. And I
go into all this in one of the chapters of
the book.

Speaker 1 (48:05):
Right right, Well, that's that's very pertinent, very pertinent at
this at this precise moment. And that's that's true, and
sort a price worth paying. Why would suffering hatred be
a price worth paying?

Speaker 2 (48:25):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, that's spot on. And I answer
that in the last chapter book, which is called What
the English Ever Done for Us? And I go into
what the English and the British because sometimes you can't
differentiate between the English and the British. I talk about
what they've done for the world. If it wasn't for

(48:47):
this tiny island, what the world would be like. So
I talked about the industrial level, the industrial revolution, we
modernize the world. We created vaccines, most you know, most
of the medicines, most scientific discoveries all came out of
this time in the islands. And then you look at

(49:08):
what the British Empire did. You know, we civilized last
parts of the world. We gave we gave the world
our language. We gave the world the English language as
the as the world's language. Over half of the countries
in the world used English common law. And I talk
about you know, I speak about historian about what his

(49:31):
ten top things gifts were to the world the English created,
and he talks about that. That's all in the book.
So that's why it's a price worth paying. It's not
that it's worth suffering hatred because we think the English
are gods and we think the English, you know, known
as good as us. No, no, no, it's all about look

(49:52):
what we've done for the world. And a couple of
chapters as well is about why we hated and the
reason why we hatred. It's simple, it's envy and jealousy.
That's why we're hatred and that's why we hated. And
then one of the chapters talks about the psychology of
the English who hate the English. So you know these

(50:13):
wolky the earths, the people who want to tear down
the country, the people who think were institutionally racist, the
people who think, we know we should pay reparations for
slavery when we're the people who stopped the slave trade.
People now look at the slave trade and go that
was evil. It wasn't evil, it was how things had
always been done. And if you were alive two three

(50:37):
hundred years ago, you would have been in favor of slavery,
just like you're in favor of eating meat because it
was normal. It took some special people to be able
to see beyond tradition and the evil humans can do,
to see beyond that and go, no, we're going to
change this, and we're going to have to convince the

(51:00):
world that slavery is wrong. And then once we stopped slavery,
what did the British have to do. We bought the
freedom of every slave in the British Empire, and we
had to get a loan out for that, and that
loan was only finished paying in twenty fifteen. Me and
you help pay that loan with our taxes. So we
owe slaves nothing, the descended slaves nothing. I tell you

(51:23):
who do owe slaves something? Africans. It was Africans who
went round enslaving their neighbors, raiding other countries and enslaving
those people. Virtually every single slave on the Transatlantic slave
train was captured and enslave and sold by a black African.
It was the British who ended slavery. So the book,

(51:48):
the book is really an explanation of why we hated
and I really go to the psychology of it because
I want people to understand, because until we understand why
we have anglophobia, why we're being attacked at the moment, Well,
how we're going to defend the country, how we were
going to get over this if we don't understand why
we're be intact, well, why we're being attacked. So it's

(52:11):
a book I wanted to write, and I think people
are really going to enjoy it because there's nothing else.
No one else has covered this topic the way I've
covered this topic.

Speaker 1 (52:21):
I can imagine nobody else has. And when is that
going to be released.

Speaker 2 (52:27):
It's going to be released this Monday. It'll only be
available on Amazon. Because I self publish my first three
books you talked about. I had a publisher for them,
but I gave up the publishers. They sell the books
too expensive. And I mean when those books came out
of there thirty quid each even I wouldn't buy my

(52:48):
book for thirty quid. You know, I'm not that special.
So if I self published, I can sell them for
like twelve quid. And then the older books again, you know,
you can buy the older books now for seven eight
pounds you off Amazon. So what's self published now? It's
so if if you want to self published do it
on Amazon. It's so easy. They give you most of

(53:08):
the profits and you've got full control over it. Really,
is that easy?

Speaker 1 (53:12):
Yes, yes, do you get You won't get anything though,
when when somebody takes your book and then resells it
on Amazon for you know, a cheaper price. Yeah, you
won't get anything.

Speaker 2 (53:24):
No, No, that that second answer. They bought my book
paid and then if they want to resell it, good
on them.

Speaker 1 (53:32):
Right right, Well, all you need to do, folks is
go to Amazon dot co dot uk and click search
for Nick Buckley and all your books will come up,
and then you and Anglophobia will come up from Monday
from Monday and basically all of these books and we
haven't even talked about them all tonight, but they're obviously

(53:52):
full of wisdom, your your years of wisdom. And it's
so good really that you're able to sit down and
write this stuff up up and find a publisher for it.
Because when you and I were growing up, there was
only there's only a certain number of authors in the
whole of the United Kingdom, and they were all known,
you know, to everybody else in the in the country. Basically,

(54:14):
becoming an author was an impossibility for most people. But
now your stuff should should be a lot better known,
and maybe someday it will be, but certainly for now
you've got the ability to simply publish them on Amazon.
And if you can do the round of the various

(54:35):
podcasts and other groups who are interested in your work,
and I think with that topic you'll be You'll get
a lot of people who are in printed in your work.
Then hopefully you'll you'll shift a few of them and
help to help to move the debate forward. And as

(54:56):
long as you can get some people grasping the point,
then they can go on in their position in life,
whether that's a politician or a lawyer or something, to
carry those ideas further in their own way. And so
every every reader accounts whoever they are, and it's it's
excellent that you're doing that. So folks also check out

(55:18):
Nick at YouTube dot com, forward slash Nick Buckley m
b E or one word, and you're also on Twitter
or x at Nick Buley Buckley MBE.

Speaker 2 (55:34):
I'm basically on everything with the same handle. Everything is
Nick Boockley MBE. So it depends whatever you u think.
I'm on there.

Speaker 1 (55:42):
Somewhere, and you're also on substack. I see we get
your substack emails daily actually, which is great. Just shows
the amount of work that you're putting into all your platforms. Brilliant.
Well it's been a half hour, Nick has gone. I
hope that we've educated people to your to your work
and giving them a flavor of what you're about. And

(56:08):
I'd love to have you back on once once the
book's out, maybe later in the year, we can have
you back on, and we can we can discuss it
in greater depth. But until then, more power to your
to your writing and YouTube elbow.

Speaker 2 (56:25):
No, thank you so much for having me on. And
in a nutshell, I think what my books are really
about is I want you to be a better version
of you. How you achieve that is down to you
because I don't know you, but I want you to
be a better version of you because the country needs
a better version of you.

Speaker 1 (56:44):
Great. I love it. I love it. Motivational, motivational message. Okay,
good night, good night, Thank you, fantastic. Well. Nick is
a remarkable character and a remarkable writer and a remarkable
podcast host. And if you don't know about Nick, if

(57:05):
you did not know about Nick Prorter, now please do
please do check him out. Great, Well, our our our
crowdfunder will have ended. Now what are we at Let

(57:26):
me just bring it in to see where we are now.
We were looking for twenty four hundred and we've got
close of play one thousand, seven hundred and seventy. Well,

(57:51):
do you know, folks, I said that we wanted to
raise seventy five percent. Now seventy five percent of twenty
four hundred is one eight hundred. However, I can also
tell you that we got a check, a couple of checks,
and when you add a couple of checks into that balance,

(58:12):
it will be over one thousand, eight hundred. Will give
you an exact figure tomorrow. So, folks, thank you for
everybody who gave their thirty nine supporters, one or two
of whom actually gave twice. And also somebody in the
last hour was very generous I notice, so thank you

(58:36):
very much for that. That's going to keep us going
for the foreseeable future until the end of the year.
It's also going to help get our book published, to
pay the graphic designer. It will help our activism in Dover,
which will be on Saturday nineteenth, the day that our
book is launched, and it will also help keep us

(59:00):
doing what we're doing, what we do so well, So
thank you very much for all of that. Now we're
not going to be here next Wednesday. We're going to
have to be concentrating on other things next Wednesday, but

(59:24):
we'll be back the wednesday thereafter. Kathleen says, excellent conversation,
thanks Nick. Dan Tag says, stay strong, love yourself. Christopher says,
thank you, Nick. Kathleen says, well done everyone for the
crowd funder. So a special thanks to our guest this evening,

(59:46):
Nick Buckley mbe. It just remains for me to say, folks,
thanks for everything. Your support is so very valued. We
will be back in a fortnight. Until then, God Bless

(01:00:06):
the United Kingdom and God save the King. See you
next time.