Over One Third of World can Vote in UK Ep 141. 21 May 2025

Alistair McConnachie of pro-UK unionist campaign group and think tank, A Force For Good (AFFG), political commentator Luca Johnson, and viewers discuss:
- Welcome.
- Dunkirk "flotilla" sets sail today to commemorate.
- Why should citizens of 55 Commonwealth countries get the vote in the UK?
- Voting is a privilege not a "right".
- Why we have the St Helena Flag up today.
- Glasgow Anti-Reform Party Conference addressed by people paid by us Taxpayers!
- GUEST Luca Johnson: Topics include: What is/who are "the Lotus Eaters"; can Keir Starmer's immigration policy be trusted; the term "net migration" is confusing; can Reform be trusted to deliver; Reform could destroy net zero climate scam, and DEI; Reform need to start finding their experts, so their plans are "ready to go" from Day 1; learn from Liz Truss's experience; Reform are moving the conversation; Reform should be taking notes of the people and groups their MSPs should campaign to defund; how to follow and watch Luca.
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REFERENCES
David Frost, "Only British citizens deserve the right to vote", Daily Telegraph, hard copy 10-5-25, at
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2025/05/08/only-british-citizens-deserve-the-right-to-vote/

De-fund the Immigration Industry - Our Policy Explained
https://www.aforceforgood.uk/single-post/de-fund

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This is the 141st episode of "Good Evening Britain", broadcast on Wednesday 21st May 2025.

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:01):
Hello and welcome to Good Evening Britain, a Force for
Goods weekly show coming to you live from our studios
here in the heart of the great British city of Glasgow,
with me your host, Alston mcconachie. We are broadcasting on

(00:21):
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(00:46):
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(01:08):
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(01:55):
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get thumbs up, get commenting, folks, and let's get this heard.
And we've got a great show. Very excited about our
show tonight because at the bottom of the hour at
seven point thirty, we've got Luca Johnston coming on. Now.

(02:17):
Luca's been on our program several times before. We're very
pleased to note that he's now working with a very
prestigious company called the Lotus Eaters. Many of you will
have heard of them, no doubt he'll be telling us
a bit about that. But he's going to be our
guest at seven point thirty and we're going to be

(02:38):
talking to him about the state of the nation. And
he's always got something to say in his very eloquent
and educated manner. So that's something to look out for.
At the bottom of the hour between now and then,
there's two major things I want to talk about. One

(03:00):
of them is an upcoming anti Reform Party summit. Yes,
another one that's going to be held in Glasgow, not
this Saturday, but the Saturday following on the thirty first,
and that's going to be the usual assembled group of

(03:20):
suspects who are going to be talking their usual nonsense.
But we're going to be looking at that, and we're
going to be looking at one or two of the
people who are going to be talking there, and we're
going to be pointing out they're getting paid by us,
the British taxpayer, the organizations that they work for, the

(03:41):
organizations that pay their salary. We the British taxpayer, fund
them through largely Scottish executive grants as well as British
government grants directly and indirectly. So we've got the date
of play. Whether there are people organizing against a democratic

(04:03):
political party to try to stop them standing or to
try to scuover their chances, yet we all are paying
for these people to campaign to do that. That's an
absolute outrage. We're here first with the story as always,
will be talking to you about that. Before that, I

(04:25):
want to speak about the absurdity that over one third
of the world's population can vote in the United Kingdom
if they only but get here. That's a long running
again campaign of ours. We're going to be talking more

(04:46):
about it tonight. So look out for that. Let's say
hello to some of the people whose comments you can
already see on the screen there. Derek was first in
Good Evening to Alistair and the affg Family. Starmer sold
Britain at what cost back into the EU so much

(05:09):
for voting for Brexit. Well, indeed doesn't look good at all,
but you know, for a reaction, there's an equal and
opposite reaction, and people notice what's going on there, and
he's going to suffer with the people who voted for Brexit.
So a very bad move really for Q Starmer to

(05:29):
try to cozy up to the EU, when in fact
what he wants to do if he's got any chance
of getting re elected in twenty twenty nine, is indeed
to take much more of a eurosceptic approach. But for
some reason, maybe he's badly advised on that particular matter,
he doesn't seem to realize that's the very worst thing
he could do is to try to get back into

(05:51):
bed with Emmanuel mac cron Debbie. Good evening to unionists everywhere.
Good evening to you, Paul says, good evening everyone from
the Garden of England in Kent. Now I believe today
in Kent they are commemorating the Dunkirk evacuation, which was

(06:19):
let me just get my dates right on this the
twenty sixth of May to the fourth of June nineteen forty.
So they're commemorating that today. And I believe that sixty
six ships, little ships as they call them, have set
sail from Ramsgate in Kent in remembrance of those who

(06:42):
went across to rescue the Allied soldiers. So that's today,
but there'll be two or three other events commemorating that
particular time, which was eighty five years ago this coming week.

(07:02):
Hi to Watsannah and to exiled Viking whose cats sitting tonight,
and to Derek from Armadale. Yes, it is a cool
little bonus. It is a cool little bonus. As Stephen saying,
the Dunkirk flotilla's was held up by a migrant boat.
They had to wait for the boat to clear safety.

(07:24):
You are kidding me, You are kidding me. This is
the state of play we are in today, Stephen. The
Dunkirk flotilla was held up by a migrant boat. They
had to wait for the boat to clear safely. Oh
my goodness, me, Oh my goodness me. That just puts
things into some kind of perspective, doesn't it. Stephen, Oh my?

(07:50):
So yeah. Yeah. Derek says he's looking forward to go
into the Great British National Strike on Saturday, this coming
Saturday all over the UK. Yes, I believe that. In well,
I guess you can google it. But in certain of

(08:10):
our towns and cities there's going to be people campaigning
and they're calling it the Great British National Strike and
the theme seems to tend to be a kind of
anti kre Starmer theme, a pro freedom theme. Probably quite
a few of the people from the Freedom movement would

(08:31):
be involved in that, So I hope that goes well
for everybody who is involved in doing any of that.
Adam says, should Reform campaign in Scotland? Adam, Absolutely, they're
campaigning right now. They're campaigning for the big event, which

(08:55):
is on the fifth of June the Hamilton Stonehouse and
Lar Call Scottish Parliamentary by election, and it looks like
reform could come second. The SNP is the favorite, but
the battle is between reform and labor, and Labor are absolutely,

(09:18):
shall we say, getting very nervous about it because if
they were to come third and to get beaten by Reform,
what would that tell us about what's going to happen
at next year's Scottish election, where Reform are already projected
to get about fourteen seats, which would be remarkable. So yeah,

(09:41):
not only should they, but they are campaigning, and we'll
speak about what their opponents are trying to do right
now to scupper them to no effect, I should add,
but we'll be looking at that anyway. Hi to Scotland scorpion, Adam. Yeah,

(10:05):
some say Reform might split the vote and let the SNPN. Well,
that's just the nature of politics. The SNP are always
going to do well though in Scotland they're always going
to get a certain proportion of the vote. But anyway, anyway,
let's look at the first the first thing that we

(10:29):
want to talk about tonight. Now, what do you think
about this little nifty thing out side here? Isn't isn't
that something? Show comments on stage. I'm quite liking that.
I'm quite liking that. Okay, yeah, here is what we
want to talk about to begin with, before we get

(10:49):
onto the Anti Reform Party meeting, before we go on
to Luca Johnston, who'll be our guest at seven point thirty.
One of the best articals that I've read for a
very long time, in the sense that there's not a
single wasted word in here, and you can see all
the underlining and paragraph highlighting that I've done indicating such

(11:14):
only British citizens deserve the right to vote? By David
Frost from the Daily Telegraph of the tenth of May
twenty twenty five. And interestingly, this article appeared several days
after we had been very active on social media, particularly

(11:39):
on Twitter, on this precise matter, and as soon as
we had got active, we noticed not only this article appearing,
but somebody else made a YouTube video about this scandal.
Also that many of us simply don't think about, you know,
we always talk about isn't Britain a great democracy? Didn't

(12:00):
our forefathers fight and die for our democracy and we
always hold to those values. But many of us, including
myself I'm not immune to it, we don't think, well,
who actually gets to vote in this country, you know,
And if you asked the average person on the street,
they would say, well, just British citizens. But that's not

(12:22):
the case. The British franchise differs from country to country,
from Northern Ireland to Wales, to Scotland to England. Because
of the devolved arrangements, they've all got different franchises. They've
all got different franchises for the local elections and for

(12:43):
the devolved elections. And there's only one common franchise, and
that's for the UK general election. And what many people
don't know is that in all of these elections, whether local,
devolved or national British, all members of the Commonwealth can

(13:07):
vote if they get here. If you're a resident Commonwealth citizen,
which means if you're from one of the fifty five
Commonwealth countries, then you can vote. So long as you're
legally resident here, you can vote in every single election
in Britain anywhere in Britain. That's two point seven billion
people who have got the right to vote in the

(13:32):
UK if only they get to the UK. As soon
as they get here they get the right to vote.
And it's a hangover, as I said a couple of
weeks ago, from our imperial past, a hangover which has
never yet been adjusted to compensate for the fact that
we're now in twenty twenty five. It was allowed back

(13:54):
in nineteen forty eight because the numbers of people coming
from India and then Pakistan and then Bangladesh and then
Nigeria and all of these countries was tiny. Back then,
it was tiny, so people thought, yeah, we can just

(14:14):
let the Commonwealth people continue to have the vote here
in Britain because there's hardly any of them. Well, now,
when we've got each year one point two million new
long term immigrants coming in per year gross, I think
that's a democratic issue right because these numbers now, the

(14:36):
huge numbers of Indians coming in pakistanis Nigerians, bangladeshis people
from all over Africa and elsewhere. They're all getting the vote.
They can all now swing elections. So do you think
Reform are going to get elected in twenty twenty nine?
Well not if they've brought in like five million Indians.
They're not going to get elected, are they. So this

(14:59):
is a huge ish that people just don't don't think
about hitherto have not thought about. Well, we're helping people
to think about them. Just to shout out here, todtube,
thank you sir for your two pounds superchat. D tube
is a great super chatter, he says. Lammy is offering

(15:19):
concessions on Gibraltar. Oh my goodness, me, I don't know
what that means, but it doesn't sound doesn't sound very good. Okay,
So back to British citizens deserve the right to vote.
David Frost here says, quote, you might think you have
to be a British citizen to vote in British elections.

(15:41):
Not a bit of it. Millions can do so. Nearly
half of Africa, all Indians, and pakistanis in fact getting
on for a third of the entire world's population can
vote here if they can get here. Well, we did
our calculations this afternoon. It's actually more than a third.

(16:04):
Any citizen of a Commonwealth country can vote if they
are living, working or studying here. Estimates suggest that in
twenty twenty one there were around two million Commonwealth citizens
in the UK, most without a British passport. That's to say,
most not British citizens legally. Since then we have had

(16:25):
another two point five million people net coming into the country,
many from Commonwealth nations. Yes, some will be children, but
it is plausible to think that between two and three
million Commonwealth citizens are or could be on the electoral wall,
and that number will be increasing every single year. Numbers,

(16:47):
and this is the thing. Numbers on this scale could
easily start to distort electoral outcomes, especially since foreign voters
will certainly be concentrated in certain areas well. I would
go further myself, and I would say that it's already
distorting electoral outcomes when you look at many of the

(17:09):
the labor people, for example, who got elected, many of
them in certain parts of England will only have got
elected as a consequence of the votes of people who
are not even British citizens. He goes on here and
he actually says, we already see labor MPs taking up
the gazet issue, and we now have some tories arguing

(17:30):
India's case in the brewing conflict with Pakistan. But how
many of those whose votes they are trying to attract
our British citizens at all? And he just concludes, He says,
it's all a mess. It's time our rules were tightened
up to bring our elections into line with what most
people think and want. We can do it with a

(17:51):
very simple four point plan. One. Only British citizens should
get to vote and stand in British elections. And by
the way, we should also be much stricter with who
we give citizenship to. Absolutely, We've always said that our
view is Brittish citizenship after twenty five years legal residents.

(18:14):
At the moment, you can swing it if you're here
simply for six years, which is just such a giveaway,
it's incredible. Second, you should have to prove your status
to get on the electoral register. Third, you should be

(18:35):
required to identify yourself with proper ID at the polling station.
Well will some considerable way towards that anyway already. And Fourth,
all voting rules for all elections should be set nationally,
by which he means here should be set from the center.

(18:55):
The powers of devolved quote unquote governments you actually put
in quotes which I like to set their own franchise
should be revoked. Of course, labor won't do this, but
opposition parties should commit to it. And I like what
he says here. Finally, British democracy shouldn't be open to

(19:16):
people who wander into the country for a couple of years.
It is for people who are born to this country
or have chosen to commit themselves to it. It is
not a right, but it is a privilege. Most people
think this already. Time to make it like that in

(19:40):
real life. Very good article. Only British citizens deserve the vote.
David Frost, well done for putting that together, mate, says
it all, says it all so well. This is a
national issue. If a democracy means so much, we should

(20:00):
be giving a lot more thought to who is actually
allowed to vote in it. Of course, some people just
want we take this position because we believe in the
idea of the nation. If you don't believe in the
idea of the nation, then obviously you're just going to say, well,
everybody should have the vote, even if they're only here

(20:23):
for six months on some kind of student visa. But
if you're not like that, if you believe in the nation,
then you want it properly defined. Two citizens. And for example,
to the people of this wonderful island in the background
here Saint Helena. We've got the Saint Helena flag up

(20:48):
today because it is Saint Helena's National Day, which commemorates
the discovery of Saint Helena in the South Atlantic by
a Portuguese captain in the Portuguese Armada. But you know what,

(21:09):
the Portuguese didn't do very much with their discovery, and
so it was left to Oliver Cromwell several years later.
It was discovered in when was it, fifteen oh two,
But it just sat there. It just sat there until
Oliver Cromwell in sixteen fifty seven decided it would be

(21:29):
a prime resource for the British navy, and he colonized
it with planters in sixteen fifty nine. And it's from
that date that it's measured as firstly England, then Britain's
old second oldest colony after Bermuda, and it's still part

(21:55):
of what we could call the Empire today, although we
now call it the British over Seas Territories, of which
there's fourteen of them, of which Gibraltar is one, Falkland's
is one, and Saint Helena is part of a little
island group, or a rather widespread island group that involves

(22:16):
Ascension and Tristan d'acuna. And it's situated in the middle
of the South Atlantic. Just so you know, let's stick
up a picture of where it is here. The let's
get rid of the banner of the top. The top
red circle is Ascension Island. The second circle they are

(22:40):
going down is Saint Helena, and then the two circles
at the bottom are Tristan d'acuna and Golf Island and
together they make up one British Overseas territory. Lovely, okay.
So that's the flag up there today to commemorate Saint Helena.

(23:02):
So we're happy to give the people of the British
overseas territories if they happen to be resident in Britain,
we're happy for them to have the vote. That's okay.
There's not that many of them anyway. How many Saint
Helena's Saint Hellenians are there, Well, there's about four to
four and a half thousand in Saint Helena itself, which

(23:24):
has recently had an airport installed, which apparently sits at
the top of a mountain and which is one of
the most dangerous airports to land on, I'm told, not
surprisingly because of the rough winds that beset that area
at that height. Good some comments here, minecraft Legends says

(23:49):
the JD Vance believes the UK will be the first
Islamist country with nuclear weapons unless you vote for reform UK.
James says, the sna Pee love migrants, They fall over
them for the vote and then ask Westminster to fund them.
Hello to Katherine her Entertainment says Scotland is broken, Scotland

(24:13):
needs reform, and Stephen Bailey points out that's the point.
More immigrants have come to the UK since the late
nineteen fifties than all the migrants that have arrived ever. Oh,
I should imagine by by several times. Mugmun says the
flag should be upside down because we are in trouble.

(24:35):
You may be right, sir, Yes, the Commonwealth people can
join the military, as Joseph Thompson points out, and we
wrote an article actually about this, saying that we'd be
prepared to allow people who join the military from the
Commonwealth to get faster, a faster route to citizenship. That

(24:58):
seems fair just looking at things on TikTok. Well, goodness,
may we are soon going to be speaking to our
man Luka Johnston. But I do want to flag something
up very quickly. And this is an anti Reform party
conference which is coming up. Let's it's coming up on

(25:21):
the thirty first of this month, Stop Reform twenty twenty
six organizing blah blah blah, blah blah blah. And the
aim stated there as you can say, themes of the summit,
Stop reform organized to stop what they're calling here the
far right making a breakthrough in the May twenty twenty

(25:42):
six Holyrood elections. Well, everybody's entitled, okay to campaign, and
they are got a whole range of speakers here talking
about everything, and they and there had got workshops as well,
and probably games. They might even have games now I
don't know. I think one of the games is going

(26:02):
to be like ring around the dinghy to see how
many people can can jump on a dinghy without falling off.
And no, they don't actually have that game, okay. But
what occurs to me here is that many of these
speakers are actually people who work for organizations that are

(26:25):
funded by the taxpayer. This guy the Scottish Refugee Council,
he's the CEO of it, Saber Zazai. I don't know
what he's on, but you can easily see here. You
can easily see that Scottish government funding of three point
six million has been given here will support Scottish Refugee

(26:48):
Councils Support service blah blah blah to help people access health, housing, welfare, etc.
That's three point six million for a branch of the
Scottish Refugee Council for the coming year. Okay. Now the
next person here from mary Hill Integration Network a neer aksu.

(27:13):
Now again it takes you five minutes on the internet
you find out mary Hill Integration Network is funded by
Look who in the top they're the Scottish Government. That
means they're funded by us. Now I haven't looked at
these other groups. The Community Fund that's the National Lottery.
The British government funds the Paul Hamlin Foundation, even though

(27:37):
the Paul Hamlin Foundation is a billion dollar foundation. So
how much of the money that we've given to the
Paul Hamlin Foundation is going to the mary Hill Integration Network.
Then down in the bottom there you've got mary Hill Housing,
that's the Housing Association. Now I know that they do
get money from from Holyrood on a regular basis. Okay,

(28:02):
So my point here, let's take that off for a moment.
My point here is that some of these groups may
be doing necessary work. For example, the mary Hill Integration Network,
perhaps there is a need to show people who happen
to be living in the area what to do and
how to go about stuff and so on. However, if

(28:22):
you get funded by the Scottish government. The least we
should expect is that you don't start campaigning politically against
political parties that you don't like, Okay, and if you
do that, you should be defunded. Okay. If you're getting
money to help refugees, that's one thing, and there may

(28:43):
be a case that you should get some money to
do that. But if you're going to take that money
that we've given you to do that and campaign in
your day job against registered, legitimate political parties in our
democracy to try to defeat them, then that's a complete
that's that's completely wrong, completely wrong.

Speaker 2 (29:06):
And.

Speaker 1 (29:08):
So that has to stop. And we've written a policy
on this and let me just quickly run through it
before I bring Luca on in a couple of minutes.
Our defunding of NGOs and charities policy your group, this
is what we would say if we were in power.

(29:29):
This is what Reform UK should be saying. If they
get MSPs into Hollywood next year. Your group may be
serving a certain purpose in for example, helping some people
with some temporary assistance to integrate locally, which may or
not be part of your core mission statement. However, the
red line is when your group has or you move
your group to adopt a political agenda which promotes more

(29:51):
immigration and asylum and or actively campaigns against a restrictionist
government policy on these matters, such as, but not limited
to campaign in any manner for more immigration and asylum
and resisting deportation. And if your group, charity or NGO
is in the seat of government funding and you are
engaging in this activity, and then you shall be defunded

(30:12):
entirely of such taxpayers money with immediate effect. And it's
not even controversial to say that, because from the perspective
of the government, it makes no sense for it to
fund groups which actively oppose its policies. And from the
perspective of the group in question, it should not imagine
it can bite the hand that feeds it without consequences. Okay,

(30:33):
now we're going to revisit that policy, and we're going
to add campaigning democratically, campaigning against democratic parties at elections.
That's also well out of order, well out of order.
So that's coming up. We're going to have well we
won't be doing anything at it, but we're going to
have to witness the spectacle of people who are getting

(30:56):
paid by us to campaign against political artist that they
don't like on our taxpayers' dime. What an indignity, This
is what an indignity. And if reform get any MSPs in,
then I would hope that one of the things that
Reform should be doing in Hollywood is looking at who's

(31:18):
getting taxpayers money from Hollywood and for what reasons and
actively campaigning to the extent that they can to stop
it and prohibit it unless those particular guidelines are put
into operation. Good now, folks, please do welcome our guest

(31:44):
Luca Johnston, a familiar face on the show, and we're
delighted to have him back.

Speaker 2 (31:54):
Good evening, looka good evening, Alistair, it's good to be
with you.

Speaker 1 (31:59):
Great to have you back again, looker, and we were
delighted to hear that just a couple of days ago
you started a new job with a well established media
outfit called the Lotus Seaters. And just tell us maybe

(32:20):
a couple of minutes just about that, what's what's happening
with you on that?

Speaker 2 (32:25):
No? Yeah, sure, okay, Well, I mean I've been a
fan of the Loads Theaters ever since they, you know,
first came about, and a fan of Cal Benjamin the
you know, the media company's founder, as he was known
traditionally back in the day when I was watching is
anti feminist videos in my college years at Sagon of

(32:48):
a Cad on his YouTube channel. And it's just a
tremendous privilege to now go there to the office. And
it's been my first week this week, and they're all,
you know, incredibly errudite, you know, thinkers and intellectuals, and yeah,
to be there with them is a tremendous privilege. And

(33:09):
I'm looking forward to contributing in my own way too.

Speaker 1 (33:13):
It sounds like a dream job for you, looker.

Speaker 2 (33:16):
Is it a job? Yeah? Yeah, good? Yeah, now it
is a dream. Good.

Speaker 1 (33:22):
Can you just explain, for the benefit of those who
might be a bit confused, what did that name come from? Lotusters?

Speaker 2 (33:29):
Yes? I can so. The Lotus Theaters is a reference
from Homer's Odyssey in it's in fact, one of the
first islands that they visit in the Odyssey, and Odysseus
and his crew get off at this isle on the
way back from the Trojan Wars, and it's an island

(33:50):
inhabited by these people who eat the lotus flower, and
it's just such a peaceful, happy, prosperous place the fundamental
The crew don't want to leave it because and that
is very well founded, because all of the crew minus
Odysseus end up dying. So it's and so it's a

(34:11):
it's a reference to the Obyssey, and it's really just
evocative of the type of atmosphere where that Carl and
the rest of the crew are trying to create a
place where you can come and you know, seek contemplation
and which can you know, offer some guidance against the
storms and tribulations. I suppose that we no doubt have

(34:34):
to get back on the ship later and endure. And
aren't there so many in our modern times?

Speaker 1 (34:41):
Great? Great, well, thank thank you, thank you for for
that explanation. I had been I had been puzzling over it,
but not up on my Greek. Is it Greek literature? Yes,
as much as you pull had little kicks in here,
he says. The Lotusaters was a group who had a

(35:02):
nineteen eighty three hit with the first picture of you.

Speaker 2 (35:06):
I shall listen to that after the show. I've never heard.

Speaker 1 (35:12):
Well, maybe Carl himself hasn't heard of it either. You
could bring it, you could point it out to him.

Speaker 3 (35:18):
Thank yeah, Well, when I invited you you on a
couple of weeks ago or a few days ago, mentioned
to you that would like to chat about your thoughts
on Kere Starmer's sudden shift to the right, as it were.
And let me just mention to the people that are

(35:43):
on TikTok, we've got a guest here on our computer
which won't be able to see on TikTok, but if
you want to see it, go out to YouTube dot
com forward slash uk force for good. So, yeah, it
surprised me. Obviously there's a lot that we would prefer
he could do in addition, but really he seemed to

(36:07):
do a lot, and I've got to be careful that
I don't get carried away, of course, because we know
he's representing the established parties who have a history of
speaking and doing nothing. Do you have any immediate thoughts
on how to react to this.

Speaker 2 (36:27):
Well, don't trust him, of course. I do actually think
that he will reduce the numbers somewhat, but only if
for the reason that he can then say that he
has actually done it, which is something that Tories could
never manage to do. But it's fundamentally a question of

(36:49):
even if the numbers go down from seven hundred thousand
a year to five hundred thousand a year or four
hundred thousand a year, it's still not good enough. And
fundamentally that I feel like it is merely a political
calculation of survival. Bear in mind that we might by
the end of this decade we might see the destruction

(37:10):
of the oldest political party in the world, being the
Conservative Party, and a large part of that will be
down to the betrayal that people feel predominantly over the
question of immigration. And fundamentally, Kia Stama is of the
camp that is, of course, the globalists, a technocrat and

(37:32):
the managerial class. You know, he loves Davos more than
he loves Parliament, and he certainly loves a EU more
than he loves any institution that this island has to offer.
And fundamentally, the populist wave was sweeping quite powerfully across
many countries in Europe, and obviously Trump had just one

(37:54):
in America and also Canada as well seemed poised to
fall into well, I say, conservative hands, as conservative as
a Canadian can get about things. But fundamentally, of course,
that victory was snatched from them by Mark Carney, who

(38:15):
just won the Canadian election, and he did so by
defanging Polyverir's party by having genuinely just stronger messaging in
terms of what the founding of the country is, that
it was founded on British and French, you know, peoples
and the natives as well, and all these sorts of things.

(38:36):
And he also said that he'd get immigration under control.
And so I feel like Stamer is very much merely
emulating his model on this, obviously in an attempt to
outflank the party that truly feels like it's threatening right now,
which is reform.

Speaker 1 (38:55):
Yes, yes, absolutely, and that could be dangerous to reform.
I agree with what you said there about the Conservative Party.

Speaker 3 (39:06):
I do.

Speaker 1 (39:07):
I don't think there's any way back up for it now.
I just don't see it at all, because well for
the reasons that we've spoken about many times before, but
I just feel that it's it's kind of out the
conversation now. I think this is it's between labor and
reform and will labor deliver on anything. And they can

(39:30):
confuse people as well. You know, they can say, yes,
we've got net migration down, but that doesn't mean that
that necessarily gross immigration is coming down like net is
numbers in minus numbers out, And so if one year
you had literally nobody left, then you would have net

(39:53):
migration of a million. Say if there's a moon came in. However,
if that same year a million left, you could say
brilliant with there's been no immigration, it's down to net zero.
There's literally no immigration. No, there's just been a million
people have come in, but a million have left. So
NET takes no account of the size of that churn.

(40:16):
And that churn is is is what causes all the
social issues, the economic issues and so on. It's like
so people can be easily misled by that net figure,
and I think that's part of part of it as well.
But yes, if he was to seemingly to bring it

(40:36):
down from this, we wouldn't have to bring it down.
He wouldn't have to do very much to bring it
down for what it is at the moment, which is
about eight hundred thousand net. You know, he could a
little more people leaving one year would mean it would
come down to you know, seven hundred thousand or something
like that or so or less people leaving actually would

(40:58):
bring it down. So it's it's absolutely it's absolutely serious
for reform because they've got to make sure their messaging
is is significantly different. And at the moment, as I
said last week, that white paper actually positions it actually
positions labor. It's probably more more immigration restrictionists and reform

(41:22):
is at the moment because reforms policy and immigration, as
far as I'm aware, is really just whatever comes out
of Nigel Farag's mouth after he's been down the pub
for a couple of points. You know, it's not it's
not and I mean that in a good way. It's
not like written down as this is what we believe
and what we're going to do. So they they will

(41:43):
have to up their game, up their games significantly if
they're to get if they if they're to beat this challenge.
And he's got a second paper coming out in the
summer on asylum as well, so that's that's going to
have some major, some major talking points in it that

(42:04):
the form are going to have to deal with a will.
But yeah, yeah, so you do you see reform like
as becoming a major player in the going forward, like
into twenty twenty nine. I know you somebody that would think,
oh yeah, they could actually win it.

Speaker 2 (42:23):
I think they actually could win it, although I on
the personal level last year I wrote an article for
the European Conservative entitled Parage or Failure, and I basically
said that, look, there is no other man currently of

(42:44):
the same caliber that can cut through and fundamentally win
the next election. And really what I cared about more
than anything was just making sure that the Conservative Party
stayed dead, and you know, after being kneecapped in the
last election, that it couldn't get up again. You know,
maybe one through the other for good measure. But since

(43:07):
that time, I've become thoroughly disenchanted with Reform and with Nigel.
I felt like the way that what they did to
Rupert Low was utterly, utterly disgraceful, and I feel like
Rupert seems to be in every way a superior version
of Nigel. I think he's more to usworthy. I think

(43:29):
his instant political instincts in terms of gauging the public
opinion and where the mood of the country at is
far more on point compared to Nigel, who constantly pedals
to the left on issues or constantly rass for the
center ground, as if we've not already got three parties
in Britain that are already trying to pursue that position,

(43:51):
and the Greens who are over having their own silly
little conversation on the absolutely far left. And ultimately, I
don't think that Reform can be trusted to deliver. And
from a personal point of view, I don't want to
waste the next four years pushing a boulder up excruciatingly

(44:13):
up to the top of the hill only to find
that it was a wrong one again and we've been
fooled all over again. So yes, I do think that
Reform can win it, but I feel like it is
not a dumb deal, and it depends upon various factors
in terms of what Reform's messaging messaging is, what blunders

(44:36):
it makes in the meantime and well, and also based
on the blunders that its rival parties make.

Speaker 1 (44:43):
Ultimately, yeah, yeah, yeah, that's right. I mean, would you
agree with me though, that it's like the only game
in town at the moment in the sense that there's
really there's between now and twenty twenty nine nothing else
is going to come along, which is somehow going to
reach more people and have his broad an appeal as well,

(45:09):
Because I mean, I hear what you're saying about Nigel
often tacking towards the center, but it is politics and
he knows that that's where a lot of normal votes are.
I mean a lot of people who see things deeply,
such as you and I and so on. We are
kind of unusual in that sense. Most most people are

(45:30):
really just looking for something reassuringly centrist to vote for,
and Nigel has been able to to play that, to
play that card fairly fairly well, I think, Having said that,
he does need to deliver on on the more the

(45:51):
more serious elements, and will he have the the nerve
to do that. That's that's the question. Hm.

Speaker 2 (45:59):
Well, I'm I'm not entirely of the opinion that if
We're Reform were to win the next election that nothing
would improve, that nothing will get better. For a start,
of course, we will basically see the total death of
net zero, which would purely be an unbridled good. And
also beyond that, of course, we'd see the eradication of

(46:21):
all diversity, equity and inclusion throughout hopefully at least all
of public institutions, and then the private sector will just follow.
In fact, the private sector, in many ways, certainly in America,
was already leading the way on getting rid of all
of that gunk from the system beforehand, and I feel

(46:44):
like that will in not having that institutional oppression put
on the Native people, it will at least strength strengthen
our hands and we'll be able to actually be in
the institutions again in some meaningful way that will be
more more sympathetic to a patriotic ideology. I suppose you

(47:04):
could say, but they won't go far enough. They won't
go far enough, and that's and I wouldn't be worried
about that were it not for the fact that I
feel like we, you know, even if Nigel had was

(47:24):
Prime Minister for five years and then decided he wasn't
going to run again in the election after in twenty
thirty four, ultimately because of the structure of the party,
he will choose his own successor. The successor will not
be chosen from the actual people who supported him and
made him Prime Minister in the first place through the ballot,

(47:46):
and so I feel like it will become a system
very much akin to the Tory Party, in which you
are given the illusion of a choice and the illusion
of direction, but really it's beyond your control. And I
just feel like, given the stakes and the existential threat
that the commentry faces right now, it's not good enough.

Speaker 1 (48:14):
Interesting point on something you said earlier there, I would
say that if they do come into power in twenty
twenty nine, they have to come in knowing exactly what
they're going to do, because they can't come in like
in a sense, you've got to learn a bit from Trump.
He came in in twenty sixteen, nobody expected he was
going to win, and he kind of arrived and he

(48:35):
did not have a team. So it's like, okay, we've
got to spend the first year trying to find people
who know stuff about what's going on here, people who
know stuff about energy, people who know stuff about defense
or what we're going to do about this anyway, you know.
So it was a bit chaotic, whereas the way reformed
to behaving at the moment is they need to say, right,

(48:56):
we're going to have all these policies that we're going
to bring in. To do that, we're going to need
the people right now. We're going to need to find them.
We're going to need the papers written out. But how
we do this, what it is we're trying to achieve,
and as a consequence, what we're going to need to
do so that on day one they come in and
they just start with the cutting, with the chopping block

(49:19):
and the building bricks, and just reshape the whole thing
from the beginning and not go in, not go in
with any kind of nervousness or anything like that, but
know exactly what it is that they need to do.
Because I don't know if you've read this book, it's
just lying here on the desk ten years to Save

(49:40):
the West. Ignore this ridiculous clickbait title. She has literally
nothing to say about saving the West. But what she
does talk about is her problems that she faced with
the Blob which were totally insurmountable and she had no
she did not have the media on her side, and
she had no supporters in the party. The party were

(50:02):
wanting the other guy, and so so she she just
couldn't fight that. And that's what will happen to reform
if they're not aware. So I did urge all reform
people to read this book to find out your put
your prejudices about Liz Trust aside, and just listen to
what she was facing, because it is an inside story

(50:26):
about the power of the British deep state for want
of a better expression, So that on need to be
just a clean sweep of all of that, and Reform
need to have all of that ready to go. But
I also understand that they might necessarily want to keep
the cards close to their chest and so on, because

(50:48):
as soon as you come out with the policy and
you go on question time and you get some planted
person making a fool of you, and then your policies
are ruined, you know. So, but they have to they
have to just play it, play it tactically.

Speaker 2 (51:05):
But this is the sorry just to say this is
this goes back to Starma out maneuvering them because Starmer
is quite a meek character. You know, if you were
to actually, you know, put him against Nigel, you would
think that Nigel was the bold one and you would
think that Starmer was was a timid sort. And yet

(51:30):
on the even on the most basic issue that the
vast majority of the country agree with and indeed ninety
nine percent of Reform voters agree with, I don't know
what that one percent of doing with the party, but
nine you know, obviously want to the mass deportation of

(51:51):
of all the illegals, and it's taken basically a year
to get Nigel up to that bar where he's willing
to say it. And he always seems to lead from
the rear, and if he's not taking the fight to
Kiyastama on these issues, then he will not inspire the

(52:12):
confidence of the general public either in feeling that that
he is going to fight their corner throughout his time
as Prime minister.

Speaker 1 (52:22):
Potentially mmmm hmm, yeah, yeah, yeah. I think that he's
playing a careful game as well, in the sense that
the media can destroy somebody if they really really want
to go at it, and so he's got to. He
he knows that the media and Britain are out for

(52:44):
his neck if and they'll they'll seize on anything that
he says. And so I can understand from his perspective.
I'm not approving of it, but I can understand from
his perspective him kind of soft pedaling a lot of
that at this stage. And and maybe when he gets
into power, we'll see the real Nigel and he'll be
first on down at the docks, directing people back onto

(53:09):
the onto the dinghies. I don't know, we'll time, time
will tell, but he's he's got he's got he's he's
changed British politics and he's changing the conversation right now,
and as far as I see it, reforms job. It's
just to keep moving the conversation that way as far

(53:29):
as they possibly can. And I mentioned earlier that you
mentioned about the DEI thing. Well, part of de e
I and which is one of our long running campaigns,
is the extent to which we the British taxpayers give
money to these charities, inverted commas, these NGOs, all of
which are heavily politically involved in campaigning, often against government policy.

(53:59):
The rich She's sun At government was giving hundreds of
thousands of pounds, in fact, it went into millions to
charities who are campaigning against the Rwanda deal. You know,
that's money that our taxpayers money, at least we have
to pay the interest on it to charities that were
campaigning actively against his government's policy. And he was okay

(54:20):
with that. Nobody in his whole entourage stop. Maybe we
shouldn't be doing that. So what I'm saying to reform,
if they're listening, especially here in Scotland, is if you
get people into Hollywood next year, which probably will make
sure you're looking at the books and campaigning against giving

(54:40):
these charities and these NGOs any kind of money now,
and we're taking notes at least I'm taking notes of
all the people who are at this anti reform meeting
on the thirty first in Glasgow, names and their organizations,
and the reform people as soon as they get into Hollywood,
they should be kicking up a fuss to get these

(55:02):
organizations defunded of our taxpayers money. Like you have to be,
you have to be a questive about this, and so
you need fighters you don't need just like gentle people. Really,
this is a this is a battle, as you know,
for our existence at a nation and as largely as
a people as well, and we cannot be paying money

(55:24):
to those who wish to destroy us.

Speaker 2 (55:27):
Well, I trust in the Scottish spirit, the Scottish of
long being formidable fighters who've always punched above their weight,
and you know, and you know, I mean, I believe
that we're obviously stronger together. But even though you know,
first and foremost, I'll always be an Englishman and I'll
always love English England the most. It's just the way

(55:49):
it is. But I do think that it's actually, despite
in contradiction to everything that I've said, I do think
it is quite vital that reform gain a major footing
in Holyrood because Scotland in particular has politically just gone
to the dogs and is in the need of the

(56:11):
major major realignment and reform certainly in Scotland are the
best tools by which to do that.

Speaker 1 (56:19):
Yeah, yeah, oh well absolutely, and the establishment is completely
panicking about this, completely panicking. Just before we wind up,
we've got a really good photograph of you here and
you can just talk a about what's going on in
this photograph. Where's that? That's you on the less inside there?

Speaker 2 (56:38):
Yeah, this is in the load seats is one of
the studios. It's a wonderful studio that we do some
of the great premium content that we've got there, like
both terrific epochs Is History series and many other ones.
And this is me with the two other new presenters
as well, the brilliant Stephen Wolf and a gentleman that

(56:59):
I've owned. They really just come to now recently a
fear asked no Dad, who was an absolutely exceptional geopolitical analyst,
and so yeah, I've started along with them, and we're
also contributing to a team and it's it's a wonderful atmosphere.

Speaker 1 (57:16):
Absolutely well, it looks it looks a perfect we studio
and you're dressed. You're dressed just to fit in with
that studio as well, color coordinated with that studio. Absolutely
all absolutely, And that looks like I don't know who
created that flag in the background, but that might have

(57:36):
been our man, our friend who does those wooden flags
as well from his organization. I think that might be
might be one of his dramatic Scotland's flags. Excellent, excellent stuff. Okay, good, well,
we're looking at the top of the hour here. Is

(57:58):
there anything you'd like to add before you head? When
are you How often are you on the Lotus Seaters? Then?

Speaker 2 (58:07):
Oh, well, I'm in the office every day, but I
expect that I'll be on average appearing on the podcast
about twice a week, though those won't be consistent days.
It will be as in when the schedule suits. So
but you know, that's all fine.

Speaker 1 (58:23):
That's interesting. Does does does the do the Lotus Seaters
have a programmer day?

Speaker 2 (58:28):
Well, the the you can catch the podcast at one
pm every day on YouTube, streamed on no on their
on the Load Seats website. On load seats dot com
and also on Rumble where they have a channel as well.

Speaker 1 (58:45):
Right right are they on YouTube?

Speaker 2 (58:49):
They are on YouTube, they just don't live stream the
podcast on YouTube. All of the segments that the you know,
from what we talk about in the day will get
put onto YouTube late day. So if you're typing load
seats on YouTube, you'll be able to find a whole
treasure hold of content.

Speaker 1 (59:06):
Absolutely absolutely, I can I can vouch for that extremely good,
extremely good media outfit, which we need more of. I mean,
we're trying to develop what we've got here at Force
for Good as well on on our on our resources
as well, and more people are looking for their news.

(59:29):
Two groups like the Lotus eaters to a Force for
Good too, to this wonderful technology that we have that
enables that democratizes opinion in this way, and so well
done for getting getting onto that. And people should follow you.

(59:51):
If you're on X, please follow Luca x dot com
Forward Slash, looka Underscore Johnston And for those listening in
the audio podcast, it's l Uca Underscore Johnston j h
ns N ninety six. Look at Underscore Johnson ninety six, excellent, fantastic,

(01:00:16):
look well we look forward to speaking to you again.
We've got a book out, We've got a book in
progress at the moment. It's going to be on immigration,
immigration control policies. It's going to be I'm going to
announce it now. It's going to be called Protect our
Country Policies to Stop Mass Immigration, Volume two of a

(01:00:40):
big book for the Union. And it's just going to
be concentrated on policies because we all know the arguments
for and against, mainly against. So we're just looking at policies,
serious policies, what needs to be done, and it's the
sort of thing that reform or you or anybody could
take and just enact straight away. So we'll send you

(01:01:02):
a corp. We'll send up the Lotus Eaters a copy
of that when it when it gets published tech for
you to have a look at. So good okay, Luca,
thank you very much and all the best with with
your efforts.

Speaker 2 (01:01:17):
Good night, Thank you, take care.

Speaker 1 (01:01:22):
Fantastic Luca Johnston, political commentator and friend and excellent broadcaster.
He can be found at his new role at the
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Speaker 2 (01:03:38):
We're not.

Speaker 1 (01:03:39):
We don't have the British tax payer paying us like
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(01:04:02):
I mentioned our book is coming out, Protect our Country,
Policies to Stop Mass Immigration. We put a lot of
thought into that title and it sums up what it's
all about basically. However, it's not completed yet. I'm going

(01:04:23):
to need a couple of weeks straight on it. So
we're not going to be here next week. We're not
going to be here next week, so but bear in
minds that we will be doing good work as far
as getting this book ready to go, and I'm very
excited about this book is going to be a good one.

(01:04:44):
Protect our Country, that's what it's all about, and we
need policies to stop mass immigration. So you're going to
be hearing about why we need to leave the UN
Refugee Convention. You're going to be hearing about who should
be getting disenfranchised, who shouldn't be getting the vote. You're
going to be hearing about all sorts of things that

(01:05:06):
other people can't necessarily say, but we can say it
because we've got nothing to lose as far as that's concerned.
So looking forward to that, much more to talk about
that as we progress into the summer. But for now,
for now, unless I have anything here in my notes

(01:05:26):
to mention, it will be goodbye from me, and it
will be goodbye from the AFFG team behind the camera,
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for me to say, God bless the United Kingdom and
God save the King, and see you next time.