Reform to Become "2nd Largest Holyrood Party" Ep 139. 7 May 2025

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Speaker 1 (00:31):
Hello and welcome to Good Evening Britain, a Force for
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on x and on TikTok. Folks, we've got a great

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show for you lined up tonight. We've got our guest
coming in at the bottom of the hour, Damien Davies
from Cheshire Cat Musing's YouTube channel. This is the second
time that Damien has been on the show and Damien
is bringing us some inside knowledge tonight because he lives

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in the constituency of Runcorn and Hellsby and he was
an activist or Reform and of course if you've been
following the news as all of yours do, you will
know that Reform won that by election. So we'll be

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getting the inside gen from Damian tonight. Really looking forward
to that. Not only are we going to be talking
about the Runcorn and Hellsby earthquake. But we'll also be
talking about the news today that a latest opinion poll

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shows that the Reform UK Party are on course to
become wait for this, the second biggest party at Holyrood
next year. The Holyrood elections next year are one year

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from today. They're on the seventh of May twenty twenty six,
exactly one year from today, and Reform is rejected to
be the second biggest party. How could that be? How
could that happen? Is it really true? We certainly live
in very interesting, intriguing and surprising political times, so anything

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is possible. We'll be talking about all of that with
our guest at seven point thirty. Before then, we're going
to be taking a look at the the new Indian
Trade Deal which has been setting the setting the pass

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Matti Rice alight tonight and yesterday as far as visas
to the United Kingdom are concerned, and we're going to
be looking at what that's all about as well, And
so show an interesting show. Lots to talk about, lots

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She says, good evening, missed last week as I was away,
and it's good to be back watching. It's good to
have you watching, Debbie. Derek says, happy V Day week.
Hope for those who are lucky enough to be off
tomorrow to commemorate V Day, and he adds it's shocking

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in this day and age that some companies, that all
companies are not giving staff time off to commit. I'm
right indeed, and Derek says he's going to be making
sure he'll be telling staff to pay respect at eleven
am to one of the soldiers who gave up there

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today for our tomorrow. Good for you, Derek. Oxanna says, Hi,
hope you're well. Hope you're well. To Roxanna, Hello, to
Anthony and to Paul from Whitecliffe's country. In this special week,

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Priston journalist says, SNP or labor the devil or the
deep blue Sea an ass Sarwar, the labor leader is
as incompetent as Starmer. He's killed any chance of the
SNP being toppled from power. Christopher says, good evening from

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all from soon to be reformed faulkok Hi to Catherine
and Anthony there has shared the broadcast. Thank you, Anthony.
We do appreciate you doing that and we appreciate those
who help us to get the message out. Well, let's
go back to v Eday's that's that's tomorrow, and you'll

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notice our flag v E Day nineteen forty five to
twenty twenty five, eighty years. And you know we we

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commemorate B Day, we must say we don't do it
from a jingoistic fashion. We do it in order to
remember the loyalty and the sacrifice of those who served

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during World War Two, and especially those who paid the
ultimate price. And that's always worth remembering. It's always important
to remember these things as well, and often to remember
it in order that those kind of wars can be
avoided again in the future. I have noticed that the

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mass media, in British newspapers, they tend to remember these
events in order to encourage people to keep fighting. Basically,
there was a ridiculous set of headlines on Monday, the

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on the beginning of V Day week. The Daily Mail said, quote,
major terror plot by Iran inside Commas is foiled, which
is that's what you might call a dog whistle to
get people to think of Iran as a future enemy
of the UK. And not to be outdone, the Express

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urged us all not to give up our Ukraine support.
So you've got two major national newspapers. They're really really
pushing pushing modern conflicts upon the British people, modern foreign
conflicts as well. So you once got to be kind
of conscious that the mass media will do that, they'll

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try to use any any, any national event in order
to promote their perpetual war agenda, which the mass media,
the big financial interests and the foreign interests have. But
for our part, we remember the sacrifice of often our

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parents' generation or our grandparents' generation, who often paid the
final price. So that's tomorrow v Day victory in Europe day. Now,
the war did rage on, of course, for another three
months or so until Japan was defeated in the Far East.

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But certainly many soldiers came home in that period, but
many were still out elsewhere fighting on. So that's starting
on a rather somber note, I must say, on a
more colorful note, let's have a look at the activism

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which we did this week, because we took this flag
out and we flew it at a couple of street stalls,
one on Saturday here in the great British city of Glasgow.
That's us. That's six of our nine man team who
were out on Saturday. Thank you to everybody who came

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to help with the table, and thank you to everybody
who came up to the stall. Many people to say
how much they enjoyed seeing the British flags flying. That's
a good one. And there there are two flags that
we had, the ve Day flag which is now behind me,

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and our branded AFFG flag. Okay, and I like that one.
That's a dynamic picture of the ve Day flag in
motion and I have to say I think that's one
of the most colorful flags that we've flown. It really
did grab the attention of people. I think it's that

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just massive white V in the center there really does
set the flag off nicely and you could see it
from one end of our Girls Street to the other.
There we go. That's one of our fellows there in
full effect dealing with the public as the flags fly

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nicely above. Okay, close up of focus stall. Everybody's always
intrigued to know who we are, if they don't already know.
We do get a lot of people coming up and saying,
oh I saw you, or I follow you on Facebook,
or follow you on Instagram or follow you on Twitter.
We've got a lot of that now, I'm glad to say. Okay,

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and I quite like that one as well. That was
from our stall on Sunday, which was in a different
part of Glasgow. Good good, excellent stuff there excellent stuff again,
thanks to everybody who was there. And of course what
we also did was we counted the Scottish Nationalist March.

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The group all under one banner. They're very much a
shadow of their former selves, but they still have three
marches a year. They have won in Glasgow every May
Bank holiday, they have one in Sterling every bannock Burn Day,

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and they have won in Edinburdge's for the sheer's sake
of it. And of course they always exaggerate their figures.
They claimed there was five thousand out on Saturday. We
had our spy filming them and then counting them, and
we didn't count five thousand or four thousand, or three thousand,

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or two thousand, or even one and a half thousand.
We counted one thousand, three hundred and seventy five. And
you can check out that figure for yourself if you
go to a Force for Good dot uk forward slash Nope,
don't go there, go to YouTube dot com forward slash

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uk a Force for Good and you'll find that video
and your count will be within one or two percentage
points of hours of that. I have absolutely no doubt,
so we're continuing to do that very important work. There's
our address there, YouTube dot com, forward slash UK are

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us a subscribe if you can. On there now sending comments,
folks sending comments. Clive here says that there's a petition

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on the UK Government Parliamentary petition site which you can google,
and the petition is shut the migrant hotels down to
just google that and you'll get to it. It currently
is forty five thousand signatures. Sign it, please and reshare

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it all over the UK. I know Clive is trying
to get one hundred thousand people signing it. If he
gets that then it will go to Parliament and there'll
be a debate on the matter. Catheine says something which

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I don't know know about. She says YouTube have hypnosis
trailers directed at young people. Now that doesn't sound too good.
Janet Fox is loving it.

Speaker 2 (16:21):
Hello.

Speaker 1 (16:22):
Connor says, hello people of Great Britain. I hope you're
doing well today. Connor and Pipsicle's looking in from Edinburgh.
Buggsy alone sends in a nice comment. He says, you've
been a true British patriot all your life, my friend,

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you are a force for good. Nice comment, thanks Buggsy.
Looking for other comments here. Mud Orokov says, save Europe.

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Bugsy says, vote for the Homeland Party any chance you get. Well,
we don't. We're interested in all the political parties and
although as an organization we don't, we don't support any
particular one per se. So let's oh hello to d

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worth it, Thank you good man YouTube. Alan says that
he loves the flag several the several ve Day flags

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out there, I think this is my favorite one, certainly
the most colorful. Eric Simpson says that there was a
petition on the parliamentary website that was shut down. A
Royal Marine commander was trying to gain awareness about standards
being lowered in the Royal Marines in the name of diversity,

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equity and inclusion. Right, well, talking about diversity, equity and inclusion,
let's have a look at this news that broke yesterday
afternoon about a trade deal with India. Now, according to

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that guy on gb News that speaks soffully posh, what's
his name, Jacob Riese Mogu. According to Jacob Rieese mog
it's going to mean that we'll get cheaper rice. Well,
cheaper rice might be a good thing. I presume it's
best Mattie rice and not Uncle Ben's rice. I prefer

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Uncle Ben's rice myself, so it's probably not going to
affect me too much. Having said that, what are they
what's the downside of it? The downside appears to be
that the that the Indians are being allowed to export

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many more Indians. Now you wouldn't have thought that was possible,
but actually it is. Here's something from the Telegraph website today.
The government declined when pushed on Tuesday to say how
many Indian migrants would benefit from the concession, the concession
being that employers of these Indians will not need to

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pay national insurance, which will make the Indian employees considerably
cheaper than a British citizen would be. That does seem
quite wrong, really doesn't it? Anyway? The Indian government in
a press release said the figure would be large, large

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number of myequants. While critics have argued that the change
makes it more attractive for Indian companies to send workers
to the UK rather than hire British workers. Now that's
a good point because it applies, especially from what I understand,
it applies to Indian companies which are in the UK.

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These Indian companies already based in the UK will be
able to import Indians and not have to pay national insurance.
So of course that's going to make them more Well,
they're going to import Indians that they don't have to
pay national insurance for rather than hire local British workers,

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aren't they, So it gives them a huge competitive advantage.
The UK government admitted on Tuesday it had internal analysis
on the numbers affected, but despite growing calls, refuse to
publish those numbers. And then it just adds here the
number of work visas issued to Indian nationals in twenty
twenty four, that's outside this scheme was eighty one thousand,

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but it is thought only a fraction of those would benefit.
Presumably going forward from here in out eighty one thousand
Indians granted work visas in twenty twenty four. What on
other are they doing? Also here we go, Indians are
now able to apply for thirty three different work sector

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via work sector visas via the Global Business Mobility Visa. Sorry,
Indians are now able to apply for thirty three different
work sectors via the Global Business Mobility Visa, which includes
Indian chefs, musicians and yoga instructors will be able to

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apply to work in the UK for the first time. Okay,
yoga instructors from India. Indeed, I know that the national
economy has been crying out for yoga instructors from India,
and I think that's really going to make all the
difference too between a recession and a depression. The Indian

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yoga instructors are going to come in and they're going
to save the economy. My goodness, may it all sounds
ridiculous and wrong. What did Matt Goodwin have to say
about this?

Speaker 2 (23:37):
Well?

Speaker 1 (23:37):
Matt Goodwin, who sends out a regular newsletter, he his
occasional presenter on gb News as well, he had a
lot to say today. He says, the deal means that
Indian workers who are here for less than three years
will not pay National Insurance Tax in the UK. They'll
be exempt from the very same tax that Labor just

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hiked up for British businesses and workers. No matter how
Labor tried to spin it, this gives Indians major advantage
over their British counterparts and will undermine the position of
British workers. While Labor ministers are doing the media rounds

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claiming this is not the case, this misses the key point,
as India's press release openly states in black and white,
highlighting detail that was strangely absent in Labour's own press release. Quote,
the exemption is for Indian workers who are temporarily in

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the UK and their employers from paying social security contributions
in the UK for a period of three years, and
it will, as the Indian press release notes, make their
own service providers quote significantly more competitive in the UK
and quote ease mobile for Indian workers being transferred into

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Britain as well as their partners and children. So, as
he notes here, if you are an Indian company in
the UK, you now have a big incentive to undercut
British workers, much like if you are a big firm

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based in the UK, you already have an incentive to
avoid paying British workers higher wages, and instead you can
hire low skill, low wage, cheaper migrants that have been
flooding the country since twenty nineteen. The British economy, he concludes,
is being hollowed out and gutted. It is ridiculous as well.

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And what's worse about it is while they say it's
a temporary visa for three years, the visa itself does
not specify that it ends after three years. So for many,
if not most, of these people, when their visa ends,
they will be able to apply for an extension. They
may even be able to switch it over to a

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study visa, and if they manage somehow, which will probably
be quite easy, to stay in the country legally resident
with a job or an activity for five years, then
they will be able to apply for what's called indefinite
leave to remain. And when they get indefinite leave to remain,

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they get access to all the British welfare system, which
they won't have access to entirely in the first five years,
but if they get indefinite leave to remain after five
years here, they will have access to it. That's the
way it works, and so is happening all the time.

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And not only will they get all those financial benefits,
but as immigrants from the Commonwealth, as we were saying
last week, as immigrants from the Commonwealth, they will be
automatically from day one able to vote at every single
British election, whether local, county, district, devolved, mayoral or general election.

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And it just makes me wonder the extent to which
many elections ongoing and in the past have been swung
by the huge numbers of Commonwealth immigrants who are in
the country, who are not British citizens, who are simply

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here on work visas or student visas for few years,
who from day one of arrival in the United Kingdom
have been able to vote, and of course to vote
for their own interests and to probably not generally speaking,
vote for reform. And I know, for example, reform will

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throw up you know, we've got an Indian person who's
standing for us, or a Sikh person or whatever. But
these people are very much the exception to the rule. Okay,
of those eighty what was it, eighty one eighty four
thousand who came in in twenty twenty four. Most of
them are not going to be voting for the sorts

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of things that I might be voting for or you
might be voting for. They're going to be voting for
whatever serves their own particular political or economic or long
term interests. And that's hundreds of thousands, indeed millions of
people in the United Kingdom who should not have the
vote because they're not British citizens. They're relying on a

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well passed it's sell by date convention which dates right
back to about nineteen fourteen, but certainly to nineteen forty eight,
whereby British subjects of the King could vote in this country.
And that has to end. It has to end. Hundreds

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of thousands, millions of people need to be disenfranchised because
they're they should not be entitled to that vote in
the United Kingdom anywhere, and that needs to start becoming
part of political party policy. Now we're just about to

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bring on our guest who's going to talk about reform. Actually, now,
if you're on TikTok, you won't see this because it's
on the computer here, which you won't be able to
see if you're watching on TikTok, but check us out
over at YouTube dot com forward Slash UK of Forced
for Good if you'd like to see Damien Davies.

Speaker 2 (30:12):
Hello, Damien, evening. Are we doing away all right?

Speaker 1 (30:17):
Yes? Yes, doing very well. And I should imagine you're
doing quite well over there at the moment, because viewers,
Damien is actually living in the wrongcorn and hellsby constituency.
And is it right to say that you were an
active participant in the election, Damien?

Speaker 2 (30:40):
Yeah, I'd done some local canvas and four before UKI
in the Mongkorn area and we just pipped it by
six votes.

Speaker 1 (30:49):
Six votes, absolutely, absolutely incredible. Did you think you were
going to win it?

Speaker 2 (30:56):
Yeah? I didn't think it would be as close, but yeah,
I add I had little doubt that they were going
to get it. The bookies the smart money was on
Reform UK. They were favorites for quite a while and
I'm quite excited. I'm quite excited because it shows from
a psychological points of view that we can vote for

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other options. This constituency was only created last year, but
the reform movements is strong in the area and the
one Corn area has only ever voted Labor for at
least the past fifty years, so it's talking nineteen seventy
five one Corn itself, regardless of the constituency. Wasn't previously,

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whether it be wholesome, weave avail as always returned to
Labor MP. Now it's not, and that's exciting from a
psychological points of view. There's a lot of people that
may be disengaged or disenfranchised thinking well, why would I
vote saif I'm going to get a Labor MP, which
is not what I want. So just from a psychological

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perspective to see that we've got somebody now in Parliament
who's already hit the ground running today on Talk TV
and gb News talking about illegal migration the impact of
the detrimental impact is having on local communities. I'll take
that over a back bench Labor MP that doesn't say
anything about the subject. Wasn't or isn't it been? On TV?

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That's all you usually get in a red wall Labor
seat in the North as a back bench MP is
not too bright and they just shut up and do
it as told. So it's refreshing to see our new
MP sur a poaching go on and talk about the
issues that we need to be talking about, which is
the negative impacts of especially the unscored migration that's been
flooded into Great Britain.

Speaker 1 (32:40):
Absolutely, absolutely, that's a good point and she's certainly raised
the profile of that area of the country in ways
that it's another labor time Server could never have done. Now,
some people say that Keir Starmer never came up there.
Do you think he was just not interested of what's

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your explanation for him not making an appearance.

Speaker 2 (33:04):
I think it's twofold. I think first of all, he's
a very worldly globalist prime minister. He can't be bothered
trifling with a single constituency up in the north, especially
one that is going to be pipped to use because
pep to lose shall I say sorry, because of his
boxer MP that was in this seat decides to deck

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a constituents he knew he was going to lose it,
or he knew it was going to be very close,
and many of his foot soldiers in the constituency. We're
getting the door slammed in the face because he's just
that unpopular. Now, no labor in Scotland is a bit
more nuanced than it is in the North of England.
You've got a lot of Unionists in Scotland that although

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we're labored to keep an SMP house, and I can
see that angle from your perspective. However in the North
we don't have that separate However, in the North, we
don't have that separatist angle to contend with, so there's
lesson he wants here. But you probably have a bit
more of a nuance up in Scotland with what you're
dealing with with the SMP.

Speaker 1 (34:03):
Yes, it's it's it's a more complex situation, not pure
in Scotland, which which we can which we can get
to in a minute. When you were out and about
was did Reform have much of a presence? I know
they were on the internet, you know, the social media,
natural faras ands, so one's putting out videos every day,
but like on the ground, was it visible? Did people

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have like Reform stuff in their windows or could you
see much of that at all?

Speaker 2 (34:30):
Well apart from my window. Well, I've got a Reform
sticker on my window. So and every Reform member in
the constituency was send a big poster I was going
to bring on to show. Yeah, but I had a
casticker as well. There's quite a few casstickers and there's
a local presence. Out of the two horses in this space,
Labor and the Reform team in One Corn and Hellsby

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Reform in UKAI was the only one that had a
campaign office out of the local shopping center which is
known as One Corn Shopping Center. Labor didn't bother well,
so it was basically a two horse race and they
did have a campaign office. And I've been going to
a local branch meetings of Reform in February, March and April,
so there is a energy and there is a desire

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to get something different, even if reform aren't perfect. I've
got many criticisms of Reform UK. It's refreshing to get
MPs that seem to actually be reflecting your views on
TV and in Parliament, and that's something that I think
Reform UK is doing. Has given the voice to the
people that have been voiceless. There's essentially two factions of

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the labor parts who you've got the working class corvos,
the red Wall and many of the many of your
labor considertions in Scotland would fall into that. The working
class people of Great Britain. And then you've got the
isn'ting subcess represented by the likes of Stephen Kinnock and
Emily Thornberry, who can tweet say a picture of the

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Saint George flag, sort of marking people that are patriotic,
when the down campaigning can think that that's perfectly acceptable.
They have to stay for the working class. So there's
there's Labor's got a big issue and it's basically the
stain for their core votes, plus looking to appease the

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Champagne Socialists that seems to be one of the party.

Speaker 1 (36:24):
Yes, yes, Well let's take a look at the actual
results from Rongcorn and there's the Reform Party at the
top there six hundred and forty five, followed the Labor
at twelve six hundred and thirty nine incredible, never seen
something like close before, and then the Conservatives way down

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at twenty three hundred, followed by the Greens at the
same amount, and Liberal Democrats out of the question really
and just a kind of gathering of very small parties
there at the at the bottom of it. But yeah,
well that was an amazing thing because Reform came from

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basically nowhere, it did.

Speaker 2 (37:10):
They did and it's very much representative of the Brexit.
Rouse Halton in the Brexit referendum in twenty sixteen did
vote for breakfast for breakfast Brexit. They did vote for Brexit,
and Labor have done everything since the Brexit vote not
to one of the Brexit and give us the Bexit
that we deserve. Remember Case Starmer was very much against

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Brexit and once of the second referendum and it's very
much a rackoning and what my win in my constituency
shows to every single Red Wall MP, it's a shot
across the battle basically, and thereboutss are going to be
looking for something substantial and something meaningful that's different, and

(37:54):
that's where we can look forward to the If you
look at the result, there is a very close reform
done very well supon on as many votes as they did.
And you've got to remember the general election was only
ten months ago. Yes and no, no sitting prime minister
has won a by election this early in a parliamentary

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certain and that that vote is the closest vote that
that's been recorded since records began recording the votes in
nineteen forty five.

Speaker 1 (38:25):
Right right, incredible, incredible. Well, they also did very well
across the rest of England. And we've got a graphic
which just shows how many not that one, this one.
Let's get rid of these banners. Reform coming right in

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at the top there at six hundred and seventy seven
from basically nothing, I think it was nothing to six
hundred and seventy seven, making more than the Liberal Democrats
who came in at three seventy, Conservatives at three nineteen,
which is way down, and Labor at ninety eight, which

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is down one hundred and eighty seven seats. So really
Reform thrashed the Tories and they thrashed Labor, and that's
where the two parties which their votes appeared to have
been coming from. Incredible performance really, and not only that,

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but if we move to the next the next graphic
here will see that what does it say. Reform UK
swept to victory with thirty one percent of the overall vote,
gaining a majority in ten council areas. Those council areas
being Doncaster, which they took from Labor, and eight councils

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which they took from the Tories, Derbyshire, Kent, Lancashire, Lincolnshire,
North Northamptonshire, Stinghamshire, Staffordshire and West Northamptonshire and also Durham
which had no overall party majority. So that's the blue,
there is the Reform, the orange is the lib Dems,

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and the gray is the councils that have no overall
control at the moment. So you can see where they've
done extremely well there.

Speaker 2 (40:25):
Okay, there's a couple of things I'd like to mention
about that. The first thing I remember is that both
the Tories and Labor in Westminster vosa to postpone a
significant section of local elections this year. True, and I
think they did that purposely because they wanted to prevent
what's been shown here, which is Reform being the top party.

(40:50):
And they've done it in specifically in areas like Essex
and the East of England were they've got a few
MPs and they thought that the if they postponed the
elections locally that they could stop what happened last week,
which is headlines Reform largest party, which is exactly what's happened.

(41:14):
And the second thing I'd like to counter with, or
the second thing I'd like to bring up is I've
always seen local elections not as an irrelevance personally because
I've always roosted in local European and UK elections. However,
a lot of want to be politicians I think don't
take local issues seriously at council level. What I actually

(41:36):
think is is that they see it almost like a
stepping stone to becoming an MP, climbing the curacy political pole.
So reform have a unique opportunity here and what they
could actually do is they could improve local services, improve
local delivery of things on the ground, and if you

(41:58):
can show that, demonstrate they're also saving money by removing
waste such as DEI initiatives where possible. And also maybe
there's a lot of local initiatives in England. I don't
know if it's the same up in Scotland, but in
England there's a lot of local initiatives as councils will
spend funding one refugees also refugees and give them like

(42:22):
free GEM access or free driving lessons and things like that,
and that comes out of local council funds. So if
we form UK can pull the stops of that wastage
as well, and they can say listen, this is what
you're going to get when you get reform. These are
all positive science and these are things that they can
do that they're going to have control of on a
local level. And the third thing, finally, I'd like to

(42:43):
say is they've already made a declaration that only flags
are they going to be on council buildings are going
to be the flag of Saint George because they won
in England and the Union jack Now they have made
concessions to say that. In the initial suite that they
put out on X didn't say that they're going to
fly county flags or county regimental flags for the military,

(43:05):
but be considered that that will happen. And obviously if
they won elections in Wales on the local level, it
will be the Welsh flag, and obviously up in Scotland
it would be the wouldn't be the Saint George's flag,
it would be the same Andrew's flag. So obviously there
are going to be nuances and concessions. And if the
King have a visits of the council chambers then obviously
the Royal sanders would have to go up in stead.

(43:25):
So there's obviously going to be nuances and whatnot. What
do you mean is they're not going to have the
palace lamp flag. What they mean is they're not going
to have the Trance flag. What the mean is they're
not going to have the Ukraine flag on council buildings.
That's what you mean. Because the flags are meant to unite,
not divide. So that's the whole point of a flag.
Now when you've got a palace flame flag, that's divisive

(43:46):
because straight as away you plan palace line off against Israel.

Speaker 1 (43:50):
Well that's right, I think in these councils, I mean
how the flag flying is just a reflection on who
who's making up the council. You know, if you've got
the council made up of people who are highly sympathetic
to a particular social or international issue, then you very
often get the flag run up the flag pole for

(44:11):
certain days. But it's good to know that at least
in these councils there's going to be a significant majority,
hopefully of councilors who who really just put the emphasis,
as you say, on the British heritage, whatever that may be,
and however that may be broken down.

Speaker 2 (44:33):
They've also reacted. They were meantally get in the DEI
training as part of our induction as new councilors, and
they've all reacted that. They've all beens also reactor and
it's like the training which is quite cough.

Speaker 1 (44:44):
That is funny. That is funny, and that's good. That's good.
I think the main thing facing these new councilors is
just going to be learning the role because most of
these people, I should imagine, have I never really even
stepped inside the county chamber before, and so they're going
to be quite vulnerable in that way, and of course
the media is going to be watching them like a hawk.

Speaker 2 (45:06):
They're going to be very hawkish because they used to
basically having Labor and Tory councilors in and they just
receive their dictacts from central governments upon high and they
just basically show something to what that's held party into
the next where they've gone over overall control on all
of these councils. They're going they're gonna get pushed back
to central government, which they've never had.

Speaker 1 (45:28):
Yeah, yeah, because in this sense, in these councils, like
if you had some Labor guy or Tory guy or
whatever that did something wrong, you never know about it.
But if a single reform counselor puts a foot out
of step, makes a mistake with the accounts, does something
wrong on a Friday night, or whatever. The world is

(45:50):
going to know about it, and the world's going to
know about it probably forever more. It'll be written into
the history books, you know. That's the way that they
they deal with these things is that they shine the
light to expose every single person. That's as far as
parties that they don't like are concerned, they really just
go overboard on trying to smear essentially that particular person.

(46:16):
So they are going to be up against it. So
I wish them. I wish them the very best.

Speaker 2 (46:20):
The very good thing about winning all of these councils,
and the very good thing is it delivers a ground
game for reform UK. It delivers foot soldiers on the
ground and all of these areas to campaign for more
elections when the general actions come up in a few years,
there's going to be a ground game of councilors and
activists and leaflets's and everyone like that in those areas.

(46:43):
And what you remember is that these are only some
of the local council actions. There's going to be more
council elections next year. My Council, which is Haltenborough Council,
which covers one Corn and Witness that's up for it
next year, and there's going to be more more majorities.
And then obviously you've got the SAD and you've also
got Hollywood elections actually as well.

Speaker 1 (47:02):
So well, let's talk about these Hollywood elections because an
amazing piece of news came out today. There's been a
new poll by Servation and they have discovered if you
could believe this and I couldn't really believe it, but
it's certainly what the polling is saying is that Reform

(47:23):
are going to be not the fourth or third biggest
party in the Holyrood, but on current trends, the second
biggest party in Hollywood, with more seats than Labor, more
seats than the Tories, and more seats than the Lib Dems.
And that's how it breaks down at the moment. According

(47:45):
to the poll that came out today, the SNP would
have fifty eight seats, Reform would have twenty one, Libor
would have eighteen, Conservatives would have thirteen, Lib Dems ten
in Green's eight and that set an extraordinary thing now
to get the to be the to get to win

(48:09):
overall control, SNP would need sixty five votes sixty five seats.
Rather they've got fifty eight there, but if they joined
with the Greens in a coalition then they'd have sixty
six seats, which would give the coalition overall control.

Speaker 2 (48:31):
Okay, but to get the reform UKAI is the official
opposition in your assembly is a remarkable achievements. And I
think I mentioned this earlier this year on my channel,
that they are packed to do exceptionally well, maybe not
as well as England, but don't write them off, and
that you're going to remember that your elections aren't for

(48:52):
another year or so what's going to happen the next year?
They're going to go from strength to drength. I said
this as well if I've a would have been a it's
the neighboring constituency next to mine. Mine's one corner Hellsby,
and the neighboring constituency over the walls on the other
side of the over the Mersey is Witness and Hailwood.
And there's people in that area that are saying that

(49:14):
we want a bit of what you've got in Moncoln,
which is a reform in ukm P. So it's going
to be similar across the board, was going to be
similar to Scotland and England. There's going to be a
lot of like minded people in Scotland. They're going to
be looking down at England and say, are they not
a flash in the pan? It is possible. If you
vote reform, you are going to get reform. So when
you look at the twenty one, I think that could

(49:34):
be easily be thirty by this time next year, easily,
maybe maybe thirty five.

Speaker 1 (49:38):
Well, it's almost like reform would be doing better in
Scotland than they're doing in England. Because remember Scotland is
a five party system, Tories, Labor, Lib Dems, SNP, Labor,
lib Dems, Tories and Greens five major parties in Scotland,

(50:01):
and England really only got the three Tories, Labor and
lou Dems. So if reform breakthrough in a five party system,
it's almost like doing better in a way than they're
doing in England. If you see my point here, and
indeed John Curtis said in Yesterday's National can actually see
it that he says Scottish labor more vulnerable to reform,

(50:25):
and he talks about here. He said reforms. Support in
Scotland is quote essentially concentrated among those people who support
the union, adding quote, reform are therefore primarily taking votes
of both the Conservatives and labor. Indeed, labor soon to
be more vulnerable to reform north of the border than

(50:46):
south of the border. So that's that's very interesting, and
he added quote At the moment, there seems little prospect
of any of the other Unionist leaders being in position
to try to create an administration either with or without reform.

(51:06):
In other words, they're going to they're going to have
to work with reform, whether they like reform or not
at the moment, and that polling again, as you say,
it's probably only going to go one way, and that's up.

Speaker 2 (51:20):
But it's the thing as well. What what you need
is a factor in as well, is say, for example,
I still predict okay, my prediction is that they are
gonna win the Senate, they are gonna win the Welsh
Parliament or the World Assembly, and actually they will they
will pip it and they will become the opposition to
them in Scotland.

Speaker 1 (51:39):
Sorry, go ahead.

Speaker 2 (51:40):
That's what I personally think is going to happen in
the devolved administrations. They're gonna pip the Senate and Wales
and Gardens and the and they are going to become
the opposition to the MP in Scotland.

Speaker 1 (51:51):
That's incredible. If they did those two things.

Speaker 2 (51:53):
If you can consolidate that with maybe another tank county
councils in England before the next general election, that's a
heck of a ground game for the next general election
in twenty twenty nine. Compared to the decimation of the.

Speaker 1 (52:05):
Toys and Labor m oh, that'd be amazing.

Speaker 2 (52:08):
That can only be a good thing.

Speaker 1 (52:10):
It would be amazing. I mean if they if they
won the Senate, that would just be just incredible. But
I think they'll do extremely well in the Senard one
way or the other. There's no question that will do well,
will win. It would be incredible, though.

Speaker 2 (52:23):
We'll so build a party like this from the ground
up and not take it for granted. Say, for example,
you make a success of one of these councils in
England this year, the ten councils that they've got overall
control of, they can go to the voters in Wales
and say well, we're tried and tested now with one
of these councils in England you get more for your money.

(52:44):
The immigrants are getting less if nothing, And then they
can go to the voters in Wales and say, listen,
this is what you're going to get with form UK.
We get the souandard. Yes yes, then and they can
use that argument as well to like mind the voters
up in Scotland as well.

Speaker 1 (52:57):
Yes yes big. Thanks to bugsym alone here who's sent
in a four ninety nine super chat. He says, I'd
shut the ikea flat pack fake Parliament in Edinburgh down
if I could, And Bugs, I think there's lots of
people who would definitely agree with you on that. So

(53:20):
shout out to Buggsy there for Buggsy was watching on TikTok.
We ended the stream or we're still chatting on the stream,
but viewers can't see the video interview, and so he
came over to YouTube and he's given us a four
ninety nine super chat. Thanks Buggsy, you're the man I.

Speaker 2 (53:37):
Want to be. I want to be one hundred percent
Claire on this and pro union to me. To me,
it's not even the Union. The United Kingdom is the country.
So we really grinds my gaze when people say look
at the Act of Union, look at this political agreement
between Scotland and England. It's not that it literally fused

(53:57):
the two countries to gather into a single thing. So
when people say the way I see it is, the
way I see the UK is it's one United Kingdom
with three separate jurish sections England and Wales, Scotland and
Northern Ireland. If you look at the United States, they're
fifty states and they've got fifty different legal systems and
there's fifty different jurish sections. It's quite similar. Obviously, the

(54:19):
devolution deal in the United Kingdom is different because we're
not a federalized states. It's much more. A lot of
people don't realize how small Britain is. We are very tiny.
If you look at Britain or the United Kingdom as
a land mass, we could fit inside the State of Texas.

Speaker 1 (54:39):
Oh several times. Yeah times, I think we can fit inside. Yeah,
you're right.

Speaker 2 (54:44):
Well.

Speaker 1 (54:44):
Regarding the Holyrood next year, which is exactly a year today,
it's the seventh and May twenty twenty six, we're going
to get an inkling because on the seventh of June
coming up, there is a by election of Scottish parliamentary
by election sorry fifth of June coming up at the Hamilton,
lark Hall and Stonehouse Holyrood constituency, and it's going to

(55:09):
be by first past the post and we'll have an
idea of how they do there. And I think we've
got the Hamilton from last time. This is at the
twenty twenty one Scottish parliamentary election. Now at the constituency,
which are the only one, the only results here that

(55:30):
we're interested in. So we're only looking at SNP, Labor,
Conservative and Liberal Democrats, and we're only looking at the
first three columns there. SNP got forty six percent, Labor
got thirty three percent, Conservatives seventeen and a half percent,
and Lib Dems were completely out of the running at

(55:52):
just around three percent. Now, if Reformer polling at twenty percent,
let's say there polling even at fifteen percent, then they're
going to come They're going to come third, and there
is a there is a because they're not the Conservatives out,
the Conservatives will lose votes to Reform, So Reform are

(56:15):
going to come straight in there at number three, which
would be a victory in itself, but there's a possibility
they could actually come in at number two if Labor
lose a lot of votes and their thirty three percent
goes right down to you know, twenty five percent, the
Conservatives lose five percent. I mean you're looking at you're

(56:38):
looking at Reform, perhaps even pipping Labor into second place,
which again would be a nationals as in British national
earthquake politically and would bode extremely well for reform as
far as next year is concerned. So that's an interesting

(57:00):
elections coming up on the fifth of June just less
than a month away now, so that's something to look
forward to. But I would put my money on Reform
coming third, possibly second.

Speaker 2 (57:13):
Yeah, I mean there's quite an exciting time, I would say,
in British politics in general. Yes, for the life of me, Alistair,
I really cannot understand how popular the SMP are in Scotland.
I really can't. For my money, it's it's disguntled Scottish
people that just want to trow Westminster. Yes, yes, because

(57:36):
if you look at any of the substance behind the rhetoric,
there's just nothing at all. The Emperor has no clothes
and I don't say that because Scotland can't be separate
from the UK. I say that because it shouldn't be
separate from the UK. It's it's from a political point
of view, it'd be like someone cutting off my arm.
I don't really understand what I would gain from it,

(57:59):
and I can as you now, people who are u
Uise in England get told by people in Scotland shut
up your English show voice doesn't matter, it's nothing to
do with you. That's exactly the type of divisiveness that
I will always rejact. I would welcome anybody to talk
about British politics anywhere in the UK from the Tify
top of Cifity type Cornwall all the way up to

(58:22):
the Chatland Islands. It's all the same.

Speaker 1 (58:24):
And we absolutely agree.

Speaker 2 (58:26):
Because I can't vote locally for Shatland counselors, that doesn't
mean I don't care about Shatland and occur as much
about Shotland doesn't say about Cornwall.

Speaker 1 (58:34):
It's all that's the attitude that we like to hear.
Damien absolutely well, look we've had a good chat there, folks.
Please if you're on YouTube, give Damien a follow. Who's
at YouTube dot com. Forward slash at Cheshire Cat musings
all one word Damien's putting out content every day now.

(58:56):
He's got a good number of people following him. All
his videos get lots of views, I should say lots
of views. Thousands of views does very well there. So
please give Damien a follow and Damien will have you
back on. Thanks very much for your insight. Great to
have a man in the field at this particular time,

(59:17):
and you've been You've been a great friend of the show.
So thanks, thanks very much, and I'd love to come
back on to your show as well at any time
that you'd like to have us.

Speaker 2 (59:28):
Well, not a problem. Thank you for being a gracious host,
Thank you for allowing me on, and I wish you
all the best. Thank you very much. I have to
site see you sain.

Speaker 1 (59:38):
Great stuff, okay, Damien, good night, have a good evening.
Fantastic good to see Damian Davis of Cheshire Cat Musing's
YouTube channel. Good stuff.

Speaker 2 (59:57):
Well.

Speaker 1 (59:57):
People had a lot to say during Damien's Damien's talk.
There some people on the chat saying that reform or
the solution, others saying that they're not. Some people wanted
to know what reform will actually do. I think time

(01:00:18):
will tell as far as that's concerned, some people wanting
Hollywood to be abolished, others saying that Reform are not
going to go there as such, but who knows where
it will all go. What's happening. I think Debugsy I
think made the comment somewhere there about moving the Overton window,

(01:00:39):
moving the moving the window of permissible debate, permissible political debate,
and that's definitely something that they're doing, and that does
worry the system as it were, by which I mean
the people who have lived high on the hog at
Hollywood for all these years. If they were suddenly to

(01:01:01):
be confronted with an opposition made up of Reform Party members,
it would be pretty funny. And I know there's concerns
as well that some people have, Well is this just
letting the SNP in if you vote for another Unionist party? Well,

(01:01:23):
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