Sturgeon Steps Down! Reform Steps Up? Ep 131. 12 Mar 2025

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Speaker 1 (00:01):
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a busy political day as always, we have got a
lot to talk about and we're going to be very
pleased to welcome on at seven point thirty a first

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time guest who's never been on before. It's going to
be Damian Davies of Cheshire Cat Musing's YouTube channel, and
his YouTube channel is a unionist channel, it's a patriotically
British channel. It's based down near the World in England.

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And Damien is a great guy who we've known Damien
since twenty fourteen when he actually came up to help
at the referendum back then. So we're going to be
welcoming Damien onto the show, talking about his YouTube channel
and talking about his parliamentary constituency, because believe it or not,

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it's going to be the constituency that is going to
be contesting Mike Amesbury's seat. That's the Labor MP who
is standing down. So all eyes of the world are
going to be on that particular constituency and we're looking
forward to hearing what Damien has got to say about that.

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We're going to be talking also about Nikola Sturgeon, who
has announced the fact to the world that she's going
to be spending more time with her book collection and
she's not going to be standing in twenty twenty six.
We're going to be talking about the state of play
within the Reform UK Party, questioning whether or not it's

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going to damage it. And we're going to also be
looking at a new document which A Force for Good
has produced as part of our work for volume two
of a Big Book for the Union, specifically about the
level of benefits which are given to so called refugees

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and how this is a hangover from an article in
the UN Convention on Refugees, which is now well passed
its sell by date, and we're going to try to
squeeze all of that in before seven point thirty before
Damien comes on the show. So, folks, before we get

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a force for good out there, if you can, folks,
and thanks for that. Let's just say hello to one

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or two people who have come in Debbie. Hello, good evening,
says Debbie. Great news about Nippy Sturgeon. What do we
all think her next announcement will be? Question mark? Well,
I know she is doing a there's a so called
Glasgow Comedy Festival coming up, and she no, it's the

(05:07):
Book Festival coming up. Yeah, she's got a two women
show at the Glasgow Book Festival whenever.

Speaker 2 (05:17):
That is.

Speaker 1 (05:19):
At the King's Theater as well. I think it's the
twenty second of March, so that'll be the next thing
on her mind. Who would go along to listen to
here Nicholas Studgeon talking about books. If that's you, you're
in for a great night. If that's not you, you
don't need to worry about it. You can leave it
to the people who are interested. Exiled Viking says, good evening,

(05:39):
mister mac good evening to mister exiled Viking. Hello, says
Kathleen from Largs, the great British coastal town of Largs,
exiled Viking says, counting the six hundred thousand pounds that
she claims to know nothing about, I was sick. I

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can't recall That's that's never going to get sorted, is it?
Hello to wag who who is watching from? I'm going
to try to say Torrivija. I probably mangled that one,
but I hope things are good with you. Slim thinks

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reform are finished. Well, we'll talk about that in a moment.
Karen says bye bye, Nippy Nippy, good bye, indeed, bye bye.
What was the We've got a picture of what the
Daily Express used this morning to announce the news. Let's

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stick that up there. They were very unflattering. I have
to say about her particular record. What did it say?
Nicholas Studgeon finally confirms she is stepping down from Hollywood
rood after a basic a year, several years of failure,

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shall we say failure. And it really all started back
when we've been through this story, as you know, But
it all started back when she started messing about with
the gender politics of things, and we actually confronted her
a force for good, that is outside of the assembly

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rooms in George Street. And when was this Let me
think that this would be. This would be on the
twenty fourth of August twenty twenty two, not even three
years ago. And let's let's play that video. Let's play

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that video of us outside not a speaking.

Speaker 3 (07:50):
To you're poisoning with sturge and you've poiloned our country
and poisoned our country. When will you resign your poison?

Speaker 1 (08:12):
That was me in the background there shouting will you
apologize for damaging Scotland? That was some part of a
pointed question, some part of a rhetorical question as well,
because she didn't apologize, But in time her actions made
it clear that she realized she was in the wrong.

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But that was a good day, and really we would
we would, we would date her downfall from that day
in August twenty twenty two. It wasn't long until she
realized the jig. The jig was up. And another guy

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that really also stuck the preverb bial into her back
was Andrew Neil. Andrew Neil, we've remembered the classic video
do we have that that we can play?

Speaker 4 (09:11):
Only two of your eight waiting time targets being hit.
You've been in for a long while. You haven't hit
the A and E target since twenty seventeen, the two
month cancer target younger since twenty thirteen. Children are dying
in a new Glasgow hospital because the water has contaminated,
perhaps by pigeon droppings. A new multimillion pound Edinburgh hospital
should have opened in twenty twelve is still unfit to open.

(09:33):
You can't even get the ventilation system to work. You've
got the worst drug addiction problem in Europe, but you
cut drug treatment budgets by fifteen million. You cung onto
your last health minister. You're under pressure now to sack
as successor. I mean you've called for legislation to protect
the NHS from Donald Trump. Maybe the NHS needs legislation
to protect it from Nicholas Sturgeon.

Speaker 1 (09:56):
Maybe the NHS needs legislation to protect it from Nicholas Dodge.
And yes, that went hard. That went hard, I have
to say. And that was just prior to twenty twenty
two though, But yes, she certainly stuck the knife in
their exiled Viking says he's listening in a pub with

(10:17):
a pint, listening through my earphones like this bit These
shows should be played on public screens and pub PA systems.
They absolutely should have. Wonder if we could get a
contract with Weatherspoons to beam to beam this in to
their pubs. And in fact I know they've got a

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no audio policy, but they could at least have the
subtitles going along the bottom. That would be excellent. Maybe
we should inquire about that. Christopher says, good evening from
Council Tax Championship winner Foulkuk. Yes, they put up the
the taxes more than anybody so far. And the people

(11:06):
in that area, and we have several viewers in that area,
are most certainly not pleased about it, because what you'll
be paying for is just the same thing, except you'll
be paying more for it. It's not like you'll get
proportionally better service. Unfortunately, you really should, though, shouldn't you.
If you pay more for something, you should get more
of what you pay for. Oxana says reform have ruined

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it themselves. Rafa says he's here. Good for you, Sir.
Dominic says that he confronted Nicholas Sturgeon at a coffee
with Nikola event. Good for you, Dominic. Rafa says, I
hate Sturgeon. She ruined the nation of Scotland. Her actions
have shown that she was incompetent to be the leader

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of the country. SNP and Labor, he continues, two rubbish
political parties that ruined Scotland. Time to change now, and
Christopher says, you know, Andrew Neill absolutely flawed her with
a series of telling punches and a knockout blow at
the end. We're talking about a knockout blow. We'll be

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talking about knockout blows when we talk about Mike Amesbury
with our man Damien Davies at the bottom of the
hour at seven thirty now, one or two points were
made there about reform, and we don't want to go
into it too much. We'll speak about that with Damien.
But of course for some of you there was some
of you will know that they've got five MP's and

(12:36):
there's been a falling out with one of them. The
most vocal on X is called ruput Low, and he
was very vocal every day, very vocal on X. Still
is very vocal on X. And we don't know what
was going on or why there was a fallout or
anything like that, but they have suspended him and our

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feeling is that that's going to hurt the party a
little bit internally. But they're actually on a wave at
the moment, and I personally can't see it really deflecting
from their continuing rise in the polls, because while those
of us who are very conscious of politics know all

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about Ruputlow, there's quite a few people in the country
that have never heard of them anyway. So and for
whom this is just an internal party argument, like that's
to them, to the great massive voters as it were
out there, it's probably not going to affect in any way.
But from a philosophical point of view, as far as

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what does it mean for the actual ideology of reform
such as it is, then there's maybe more of a
question there. But the ideologies of parties, especially fringe parties
like Reform so called fringe parties, are not setting stone.
They do change with members. Where's new members come in,

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the ideology can shift. So people who say, oh, reform
are never going to deport people, now that's not really correct,
because as new members come in who want people to
be deported, then the party leadership will then start to
adjust to that. I've seen that happen. I used to
be the Scottish organizer of UKIP back in nineteen ninety nine,

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and back then wouldn't even talk about immigration, wouldn't even
talk about it, and somebody people who are maybe vocal
about it were kind of said, just well, it just
wasn't going to be an issue because there was things
that were very difficult to talk about. But look at
how that shifted in the course of years. So parties

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do do change, and it just depends upon the feeling
of the nation and the feeling of the actual people
who are in the part And goodness knows, there's a
lot of people in the party who agree with Rupert
low and who whether he's in the party or not,
will take his ideas forward within that party. One of which,

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of course, and one of which that he's been very
open about, has been and reformed to an extent. But
Rupert Lowe especially has been the question of deporting illegals
and deporting foreign criminals. And a very interesting article was
published in yesterdays in Yesterday's Daily Telegraph about nobody has

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ever looked into this before, but it's the numbers of
immigrants who are actually to blame for crime statistics, and
that's never really been properly, properly done before never looked at.

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But the Center Migration Control have looked into it, and
the Daily Telegraph published it, published the figures yesterday, and
goodness meet, they're really quite remarkable. Let me bring up well,
let me bring up the article now as I bring
up this article. Last week, I tried to bring up

(16:20):
an article and it didn't show, so you just saw
me down in the corner and there was just this
blank black space on the screen. Now, if that happens again, folks,
I'm going to be looking at the comments. Please tell
me if that happens. If, however, you can see the article, fine,
then please also tell me, because I don't want to

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do what I did last week and end up and
end up without bringing it up. Okay, that's the article
brought up here. Can folk see that article? Please tell
me if you can or if you can't. Okay, I'm
going to go through it now. The article Foreigners convicted

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of nearly a quarter of sex crimes in the Daily Telegraph.
Good article is They're fantastic. Foreigners are convicted of up
to a quarter of sex crimes, according to the first
data analysis of its kind. Now, this was published online
tenth March twenty five in the Daily Telegraph and in

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the print edition yesterday the eleventh of March, and it
says fifteen percent of sexual offenses, including rape, were accounted
for by foreign nationals between twenty twenty one and twenty
twenty three, and a further eight percent recorded as unknown nationalities.
In other words, they went, they went British and two nationalities,

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Afghans and Eritreans were more than twenty times more likely
to account for sexual offense convictions than British citizens. That's crazy.
The highest number of sex offense convictions were accounted for
by Romanians, followed by Poles, followed by Indians, followed by Pakistanis.

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And what the article has done here is that it's
looked at the rate based on per ten thousand of
the population and it has come up with these quite
startling figures. Which nationalities commit the most violent sexual and
theft offenses. Now this is in England and Wales by

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nationality per ten thousand, so this is a rate and
winning the violence stakes here are the Congoleese. The Congoleese,
at one hundred and eighty seven of their citizens out

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of ten thousand, they're the most violent for conviction rate,
followed by Somalis, followed by Afghanese, followed by Iraqis, followed
by Gambians, with the UK well considerably further down the stakes.

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For sexual crimes, it's Afghanis, then Eritreans, then Namibians, then
people from Chad, people from Chad, whatever people from Chad
might be doing here in Britain, and then Modovens for
some reason are coming at close second to the Shdeians.

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And then for theft it's the Algerians, followed by the Moroccans,
followed by the Romanians, followed by the Congles coming back
in there, coming back in making a making a stand
for their country in the theft stakes. Quite remarkable stuff here,
And if we go to the original report from the

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Center for Migration Control on their substack, they say that
actually there's sixty six nationalities that are convicted at a
higher rate than the actual British citizens. And also these
British citizens, by the way, even though they're coming in

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at number sixty seven on the conviction rate per ten thousand,
those British citizens aren't all British citizens who look like me.
You have to also remember, so they've even done this
fantastic remap here. We have a subscription to the Daily Telegraph,

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so we are able to bring it to you. But
basically you can click on France. People with the nationality
of France were convicted of nine hundred and seventeen crimes
between twenty twenty one and twenty twenty three, an overall
crime rate of sixty five point five per ten thousand.
Let's go to the Republic of Ireland here, people with

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the nationality of Ireland were convicted of four thousand, six
hundred and forty three crimes. Remember this is England and Wales,
an overall crime rate of one hundred and fifty per
ten thousand residents. And where's our winners here? Down in
is where's Chad sis Chad? Yeah, there we go. People
with the nationality of Chad were convicted of thirty crimes. Okay,

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well it's not maybe that's not a whole lot of
people then from Chad. But nevertheless, as far as the
rate per ten thousand, that's six hundred per ten thousand residents.
What we're doing over here with the Cambodians, how are
they getting on Thailand? Cambodia eleven crimes committed in England

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and Wales by Cambodians between twenty twenty one and twenty
twenty three. So this is endlessly fascinating. What about the
people up here in Greenland? It doesn't get a mention?
Iceland eight Icelanders. And how about these guys here? Ecuadorians
one hundred and twenty one crimes? So this is Japanese

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that nineteen crimes, Australians one hundred and fifty one, New
Zealanders eighty one. Any country that Indy wants to find
out about, and I'll just tell you here, Syrians three
hundred and ninety three crimes between twenty one and twenty
twenty three. Who are these Russians three hundred and twenty

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four crimes? Give us a country, Belarus in Estonia. And
now you're asking where are they? They're up here, aren't they.
I'm totally wrong. Moldovan's six hundred and sixty five Moldova
for such a little country. It's really it's really basically
doing a kind of Olympian effort here for crimes. Romanians both,

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there you goal, Romanians fifteen thousand seven, There we go,
fifteen thousand, seven hundred and one crimes. Russians three hundred
and twenty four who was Bekistanians thirty Georgians, Ukrainians four
hundred and twelve. Estonia found it one hundred and twenty
eight crimes between twenty twenty one and twenty twenty three.

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Latvia has been pulling the making an effort there at
two thousand, five hundred and forty six Lithuania as well
as High five five hundred and twenty one. Crying out loud,
these guys are quite naughty Poland thirteen thousand, three hundred
and thirty three, crying out loud, I mean these that's high.

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That country Slovakia one thousand, six hundred and ninety nine. Okay, guys,
Israel and Palestine Israel Israeli's thirty eight, Jordan forty two. China.
That's a good one. Four hundred and thirty one. That
surprised me. I thought China would actually be a little

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bit higher considering their role in the huaki baki trade. Okay, well,
let's further go down here. So which nationalities commit the
most crime overall pair ten thousand of the population. It's Albanians,

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followed by Moldovans, followed by Congo. Remember this is a rate.
It's not the actual number of Oh no, this is
the conviction rate per ten thousand of their people. Albania, Moldova, Congo, Namibia, Somalia, Afghanistan, Morocco, Iraq,
Algeria and Gola, Gambia, Eritrea, Vietnam, Chinzio, Libya. As we say,

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the Center for Migration Control tells us there's actually sixty
six countries above the UK conviction rate. So there's definitely
a pattern emerging there. And what I would suggest is
that given that we know the proclivities, that should be

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part of our immigration law considerations. In other words, how
many people from those countries do you want? If they
do have a much higher rate of offending, and that
should be used as a guide. If we lived in
a country in which there was common sense applied, you

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would look at those rates. You would say, for crying
out loud, here, guys, I'm afraid we don't want. We
don't want those kind of numbers, and there's going to
be consequences. But you see, our government doesn't care essentially
about our safety. That's the incredibly upsetting and annoying thing.

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And it doesn't like looking at these figures because these
figures are these figures are politically incorrect. So congratulations to
the Center from Migration Control for researching all of this.
But this is stuff that the civil service should be
doing and it should be part of our normal immigration considerations.

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Now we have put that whole article up on our
Facebook page Facebook dot com forward slash Uka force for good.
We put that up this afternoon if you want to
read it, and in the coming week we'll roll out
one or two of these graphics as well, linking as
always to the to the source. Now it's the bottom

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of the hour. I'm looking forward as we all are,
to welcoming our man, Damien, Damian Davis. Let's bring in Damien. Folks,
please say a big hello to Damien Davis. Hello, Hello
there to you Damien. Hell are you this evening?

Speaker 2 (27:14):
I'm not so bad? Thank you? I hope you will.

Speaker 1 (27:17):
Yes, yes, absolutely? Do you want to bring your your
microphone just maybe a wee bit closer to your your mouth? There?
Good and maybe just put it back up again.

Speaker 2 (27:31):
Is that that's up?

Speaker 1 (27:32):
Okay, just just keep it at that. Absolutely. Now, Damien.
You run cheshire Cat Musings, which is a relatively new
YouTube page, and I want to just by way of
introduction to you. I want to read the about section
of your page, which I think really describes what you're

(27:56):
about pretty well. This is what it says on your
YouTube page. If you've ever felt like your voice doesn't matter,
like you're just another number to the politicians who take
your vote for granted, You're not alone. I'm a working
class Britain just like you. I believe in strong borders,
controlled migration and preserving the distinct British way of life.
I'll stand for common sense policies and putting the interest

(28:17):
of native Britain's first. This channel is a place for
people who've been pushed aside, workers, taxpayers, ordinary people who
built this country but are ignored by those who run it.
If you think Britain should belong to the British, that
our traditions and communities are worth protecting, and that working
class voices deserve to be heard. When you're in the
right place, now spin no nonsense, just straight talking political

(28:40):
musings from someone who gets it well done. I think
that's a very good way of describing what you're about. Now.
When did we first meet, Damien? Can you remember?

Speaker 2 (28:55):
I think it was back in two thousand and four.
Saying on the back or before the upcome and referendum
up in Scotland on whether you guys should stay in
the UK or leave the United Kingdom. And I just
couldn't stay siland I needed to come up and saylo
and put my voice out there. So as to speak.

(29:16):
I've done a bit of traveling over the UK and
it started because of your separatist movement in Scotland. I
wanted to see if there was anything behind the rhetoric,
if there was any difference between people from Scotland up
in the Highlands, in your cities, on the Central Belts
and other places down in Cornwall, in the Welsh valleys

(29:38):
around the Welsh coastline. And I wanted to actually assess
to see is there any actually distinctive differences between us?
And to be fair, yeah, there may be one or
two little things, but primarily we're all one and the same.
And I've always thought that, and I thought that before

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and I think that now there's not that. If you
look behind the rhetoric, there's not much substantive difference. And
I don't say that as a negative. That's people people
can say that multiculturalism has failed well, the United Kingdom
proves otherwise because multiculturalism can work, because Britain the UK

(30:19):
has proved that it can and does work. It's the
cultures need to be similar, and they need to be aligned,
and they need to want that's sign the thing, and
that's what I wanted to put to the test. And
before I thought, yeah, I can't support the United Kingdom,
I can get behind this. It's not just something it's
not something that's abstract. It's something I can quantify. And

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that's precisely why I did it.

Speaker 1 (30:44):
I like that answer. That's that's a that's a good answer,
doing basically your own research, as it were, to find
out what's the commonality and is it worth fighting for.
And I'm so glad that you came up because myself
and colleagues at the time, of course, we're on the
front line and just learning the ropes really of activism

(31:06):
back then, and so there was just there's precious few
opportunities for our sorts of union as people to engage
in any kind of political action. We made as much
as we could of the moment, but we're absolutely so
glad that there was other people who were there who
would come up and you were were you living in

(31:27):
the same place that you live now.

Speaker 2 (31:29):
Yeah, down in Shoeshire, Cheshire through and through. I don't
think possibly. I have considered moving up to Scotland or
other places in the UK, but it's found in the
right time to do so. I'm still down in Sheshire,
hence the handle on my channel, but now I'm a
Northern English person, but more more predominantly I've view myself

(31:51):
as British first. There's been a lot of noise recently
about people saying, well, you can you define yourself as
English or British, which is similar to question to what
you guys got in Scotland or your Scottish or British.
And I actually had a sit down chat with somebody
I respect last week. We're there on the opposite side

(32:11):
to me. They see themselves as British, but they see
themselves as English first, whereas I'm on the flip side
of that. I've he mishaps as British first but English second.
And that's simply down to the fact of hold a
British passport. I have a British driving license. We all
have the same armed force, as we have the same currency.
So you can look historically of yes, Scotland was separate.

(32:33):
Yes England was separate. Well historically that's true, but that's
all in the history books. That's not the hear And
now we have to work with what we've got, which
is Britain. I mean when we see all these all
these channel migrants come over, yes they're coming into the
south of England, but they're coming into the British state.
They're coming into the whole island. It's not just one

(32:54):
particular place. And that's what you need to factor.

Speaker 1 (32:57):
In absolutely one undred percent. And it's not like it's
not like Great Britain can be defended if it was divided,
if the actual island of Great Britain was divided into
three different countries, we wouldn't be able to defend it properly.
And it's hard enough to defend it right now when

(33:19):
there's when there's it's not it shouldn't be hard. Of course,
why choose not to.

Speaker 2 (33:24):
Well, you'd think it'd be easy. We have got a bill.
In most it's not like well landlocked like like on
the continents, you could you could make an argument on
the continent. They may have a bit more of a
challenge such as langlocked countries like Germany and what have
you if they didn't have sheng and it wouldn't be
as hard. But we don't really have that argument. We
have a bills in We literally have a bills in

(33:46):
most and it should be a lot easier. And it's
just really pathetic when you see how we wuiled our
politicians are down in Westminster.

Speaker 1 (33:55):
Yes, yes, it's it's it's absolutely it's absolutely terrible, absolutely
terrible of what's going on now. Your channel YouTube dot
com forward slash at Cheshire Cat Musings. You set it
toup a while ago, but you've really only recently started
to make videos on it. What made you go ahead

(34:18):
and get into this in greater our effort?

Speaker 2 (34:22):
I always Here's the thing. I've been online politically active
for about a decade since You're ferendum in two thousand
and four seen, and I've caught quite vocal on certain
platforms such as x which is a lot better now
elon muskers give us a bit more freedom to express
ourselves freely, and on Facebook, which I think is going

(34:45):
to go better on the Zuckerberg with his capitulation to
Trump in America, that should go down well over in
Europe and in the UK as well. However, I wanted
to get a bit more articulate with what I say,
and I wanted to try and put a bit more detail.
I mean, one of my biggest pet hates online is

(35:05):
when you get a lot of people hard on behind
like a faceless profile and the avenue got the real
name in the handle or anything like that. I'll stand
by what I say, I'll put my face on coming.
I don't necessarily care about that. I'm happy to put
it out there. You don't have to agree with what
I say. You should at least be able to respect
my opinion. And even if you don't agree with it,

(35:27):
you can say, well, okay, well that's freedom of speech.

Speaker 1 (35:29):
I guess absolutely. And I was just watching a few
of your videos today, and some of your videos have
done extremely well. I mean tens of thousands of views
listening to your listening to your considered opinion and stuff.
I mean that must please you.

Speaker 2 (35:44):
Yes, And now there is here's the thing, you know,
political views that I have in privately because we've had conversation.
I'm actually a pro monarchist. I'm actually I was a
Royalist under the late Queen. I'm still a pro monarchist.
So I think it's curious that the biggest rated video,

(36:04):
or one of the biggest rated videos on my YouTube
video or my YouTube channel even was a critique of
the monarchy. And it's funny the way that that goes
sometimes that you can, because you can be quite knowledgeable
about something, it can actually turn out to be a
surprise sleeper hit, which is what happened. I am heavily
critical of our current monarch. That doesn't mean we need
to throw the baby out with the bathwater, for example,

(36:27):
and genuine criticism of any institutions healthy, but that's my
view on the matter. So nothing within the bands of
obviously decency and incitement should be off the table in
my view. So I will I will give my honest
view on Charles and I will give my honest view
on other institutions, and that's the way it should be.

Speaker 1 (36:47):
Yes, Yes, I've noticed, unfortunately, just as a little detour
there about the monarchy, that he has been getting a
little bit of stick from people really who shouldn't be
attacking him. I mean, if you're a British nationalist for
want of a better expression, the monarchy is part of
the British nation and without it, it's not going to

(37:08):
be the Britain really that we know, because Britain is
not a republic and it's very much a Christian monarch.
I mean the flag behind me has got three Christian
crosses on it, and you can't really our heritage is
very much a monarchical one. And of course the monarch
is not democratic. But to try to pretend, but to

(37:29):
try to compare democracy with monarch it is like comparing
apples and oranges. There are two different things. The question
is can the two of them work together? And in
Britain it has worked well together.

Speaker 2 (37:40):
Well, we have a brief flirtation with a republic, we
have a brief flatation for a few years. Well, the
politicians like someone aboth of them, basically to keep them.
It's sort of like a stoft gap of nothing else.
Who does serve a function? And as I say, just
because your critical of the incumbent, that no incumbents is
bigger than the institution. That's what you need to think of.

(38:02):
I think a lot of the pushback that Charles has
got it's simply because the late Queen was the episome
of the constitutional monarch. So if anything diverges slightly from
what she did. There's going to be pushed back and
there's going to be a critique, and I suppose that's
because the Light Queen was on the phone for so long.

Speaker 1 (38:23):
So yes, yes, absolutely. Now one thing I want to
just talk about now is the amazing coincidence that you
happen to be a constituent of Mike Amesbury is the
labor MP who unfortunately came a cropper, or at least

(38:47):
made somebody else come a cropper, and as a consequence,
came a cropper himself. Now we've got the video for
anybody that hasn't actually seen this and will just run
this prior to talking about what's going to happen.

Speaker 3 (39:03):
What I.

Speaker 1 (39:34):
Well, really there's no excuse for that from anybody, let
alone a member of Her Majesty's Parliament. And I don't
know what was going on or what was said or whatever,
but whatever was said, there's simply no excuse for that.
And in fact, as we aside Twatt and somebody like that,

(39:54):
across the jawline is very dangerous because you could knock
them out, and that guy wasn't knocked out, he was
just knocked down, so he was able to protect himself
before he fell on the on the cold, hard ground,
But if he had got knocked out by that punch,
he would have fallen like a tree and his head
would have pranged off the concrete and could have killed him,

(40:15):
easily killed him. So it's very dangerous getting involved in
any kind of street fight like that, and very dangerous
hitting somebody like that. And that was a sucker punch
as well. So the whole thing was just absolutely tragic
for everybody concerned. And he ended up getting ten weeks.
He served two days, I believe, and he's been given

(40:35):
a suspended sentence for the next two years, and there's
various stipulations that he has to attend alcohol counseling and
anger management, which doesn't surprise me at all, and I
do hope he benefits from it. But we all thought
he might hang on as an MP, but he said
he's going to stand down at the earliest possible convenience.

(40:57):
So that's that's interesting for you. What have you had
any run ins with Mike Kingsbury at all.

Speaker 2 (41:06):
I have emailed him on several occasions regarding the policy
of pussing up all of these illegals and gonna not
use the words of regular Let's be real, they're illegal
migrants and they're coming over from a safe country, which
is friends. They have no right to be here. They're

(41:27):
here on our good humor as far as I can see,
and we've got several hotels in the area and they're
just besieged with all of these people that we're paying for.
And I've wroten several letters to my MP about it,
expressing my concern. They don't even bother to reply.

Speaker 1 (41:48):
They don't even bother to reply.

Speaker 2 (41:50):
I've noticed this. Basically there was a recent boundary change
were basically my old my old m seats has been
merged with a seat on the other side of the
River Mersey, and basically my old seat up until twenty
twenty four, which was the first time that this currencyat

(42:12):
was contested, it was originally Weave Avail and now it's
run Corn and Hellsby, and my old seat was Wholson
which used to be run Corn and Witness, but that's
changed to Witness and hail Wood. So it's basically boundary changes.
I noticed when I used to write to my old MP,
they only ever addressed the issues that they agree with,

(42:33):
or they've got a policy on say, say, for example,
you've got a eight or ten point letter, they'll addressed
to three or four points that they think they could
got something to say about anything else that's basically not
in line with the party line. They just won't even
address it, So they can come across like they're addressing
you concern, but they're not actually addressing the body of

(42:56):
the lesson the cherry pick on what they actually wanted
to speak about.

Speaker 1 (43:00):
Yeah. Yeah, well, obviously if he had a strong opinion
and if he agreed with you on that, he would
presumably have told you, you know, if he had a
personal opinion on the fact that there's so many as
such illegals coming on just.

Speaker 2 (43:16):
That we've got the issues that a lot of people
have had over the country were the have been reports.
I can't personally glorify it. However, I have it on
good authoriity that the similar things where you've seen certain
portions of this population hanging around local schools making a
nuisance of themselves, police have hands be alerted. I don't

(43:39):
who've had much of that up in Scotland, but it's
rampant in my part of the UK, down in Sheshire. Now,
as I say, that's not personal from my own experience, however,
it is people that I trust and I'm prepared to
take their word for it.

Speaker 1 (43:53):
Yeah, there's been reports of all of those things, and
considerably worse here in Scotland as well, the big cities
and Glasgow for example, is not getting away from any
of that unfortunately. So it's run Corn and Helms been
now looking at the previous given that there is going
to be a by election, we don't know when as yet,

(44:14):
but looking at previous data.

Speaker 2 (44:17):
I mean, look, I've got my suspicion that is going
to coincide with the local elections in England and Wales
in May, and if you can time it right, they
can downplay if we form uki actually take the seat,
which is looking likely.

Speaker 1 (44:32):
That's a really good point. Now let's look at the
figures here from the twenty twenty four election. Labor or
Amesbury was a way ahead at twenty two and three
five eight votes and Reform was second. But I mean,
what fifteen thousand votes less? I mean, do you think
that difference can be made up?

Speaker 2 (44:52):
If you're looking at polling from this week and you
look at the recent polls, we form UK on about
thirty to thirty one sense and the labor share of
the votes is down to about thirty three percent, so
it's within arms reach. It is doable. I went to
a local branch meeting in mun Corn and Hellsby constituency

(45:15):
of Reform UK activists and Jason Morcroft, who he's not
been told if he's going to be the candidate, yes
or not. But there's a ground swell of support, meaning
basically the North of England has always been labor. There's
never been anything but labor and so and I don't

(45:36):
think it would ever swing Tory, but there's a ground
swell of support. And if you look at what my
MP actually said before we flat in dark constituents, he
actually said, you will not threaten the MP again, will you? Yes,
I am the MP. You will not do that again.
There's a deep seated entitlement to certain MPs and politicians

(45:59):
were the think that you're not going to vote for
anybody else, so they can do what they want. And
that's across the country. I think it's a similar sense
of entitlement that the SMP have had in Scotland, especially
since the referendum. There were sort of there was sort
of walking on eggshells up until the referendum, and then
that sort of flipped on a dime when Labor lost

(46:21):
all their MPs on the back of the referendum. The
next election, that sort of changed and there's like a
deep seat of entitlements that's certain political parties get and
it's sickening. No party is entitled to my vote. A
little bit on my camp my political history. I've voted Labor,

(46:41):
I've voted Tory, i voted Libdam. I am the true
definition of a floating voter and I'm not party loyal.
It's not like a football team. I will I will
change to whatever party I think is going to deliver
the change that I want.

Speaker 1 (46:55):
Do you think that the current problems then let's talk
about this with Reform UK, the internal falling out between
Foraj and Zia Josef and Report Lowe who has been suspended.
Do you think the voters in ron Corn and Helmsby
are really going to be aware of that? Are they

(47:16):
going to care about that? Is it going to make
much of a difference to the vote.

Speaker 2 (47:20):
I think the grassroots I either people knocking on the
doors like like I've not done the canvas and yet,
But there's people that knock on the doors and those
people in that meeting. I don't know what the grassroots
in my particular area think. There's a meeting on the
last Wednesday of each month, so or know more on
the twenty sixth March when I speak to local campaigners.

(47:44):
From what I understand, people being knocking on the door
don't really know much about it. Well, the activists are
well aware of it, and they're not very pleased. So
there's two sides of that. The actual grassroots people are
going to be put on the ground game in and
the worker reform are not least. However, the actual awareness
of the situation in the wide of public is difficult

(48:06):
to gage at this point. I don't think it's going
to have much of it cult through currently. I still
I still think it's going to resolve itself in due course.
I think it may take a few it may take
it may take a while, but I do actually think
it will resolve itself. Well, I'm forever the optimists.

Speaker 1 (48:23):
There's a way to be actually and I tend to
agree with you, and I do think as you hint
that there it will cause maybe a little bit of
internal eructions among the people who are particularly invested in
those things. But we've always got to remember that people
like you and I are very politically conscious. The people

(48:46):
who whoo who it depends upon other people who vote,
and most people who vote, they've never heard of these personalities. Okay,
they've heard of Farash, they haven't it. Most of them
have not heard of ruput Low And so for them,
just an internal falling out of another party that they're
not even really going to know about. So it's we

(49:06):
tend to think sometimes that because it's very present for us,
that somehow the rest of the world cares about it,
when in fact, the rest of the world doesn't even
know about it, and if it knew about it, it
wouldn't care about it. And that's very much like politics.
And I've been I've seen all the falling outs as well.

(49:27):
I mean I used to be a member of UKIP
and some of the personalities didn't want me to be
a member of UKIP, you know, because I was, like,
had lots of things going on in my head. I
like to talk out a lot as well. So but
the things move on. Things move on.

Speaker 2 (49:44):
And here's my boy with before UKAI is they're doing
well and Wiles. It looks like they're going to take
the Welsh Parliament or the Welsh Assembling. Actually, I think
that's pretty much in the bag. I think I think
they're going to come third in Scotland. I think they're
going to chance the stories and I think they're going
to be your party. That's my honest view on the matter.
And I say that as somewhat of an outsider because
I'm in North England. That's just my view. I think

(50:08):
that the only thing that potentially could lock reform out
of Wales completely is if they do what we've done
with other parties on the continents, where you get the
UNI Party, you get the Tories, you get Labor and
you get play Cameray in Wales and they actually form
a coalition to lock reform out. That's the only thing
I'm thinking of that potentially could harm the reform in Wales.

(50:29):
But then I thought to myself, they can't really do
that if they're going to be running on an anti
SMP ticket in Scotland. They can't side with the nationalists
from Wales, but then then not side with the nationalists
in Scotland. It would be they can't have two different sensors.
They'll need to have either an anti separatist approaching Wales
and Scotland or you know, they need to do both

(50:52):
or neither.

Speaker 1 (50:53):
M yeah, yeah, yes, Well it will be interesting to
see because they will try. I think some of the
parties will try to lock out reform. Depends, of course
how many people reform gets as well. But it really
could be. It could be a surprising amount. It really

(51:14):
could be in both Whales and in Scotland. And I
don't I personally, whatever may be the rights and wrongs
of the Farage low falling out, and whatever may be
the rights and wrongs of the ideological issues that might
possibly be at stake there, I don't see reform being
damaged in any serious way. I just see it start

(51:38):
continuing to rise. Whatever you may think of it, I
see it doing well.

Speaker 2 (51:43):
I do, I really do, and I still I hope
we're both proven rights. I am the other of the
optimist and the only thing my concern is is that
it cannot be a one man band Farage ones twenty
and twenty nine general election. Not only does he need
to see he needs to be able to delegate and
he needs to be able to say about you're doing this,
you're doing this, you're doing this, you're doing this, and

(52:06):
trust them to do it. And there needs to be
a broad, broad coalition for that to work. And think
about it. Forgesn't getting any younger, so for example, he
gets twenty twenty. Well who's the next leader, who's the
one after that, who's the one after that? That's we
need to think about. And they need to do a
lot of work, and they've they've got a lot of

(52:27):
time to do it. And I have I have confidence
that they can get the house in order, but I'm not.
I'm not completely convinced.

Speaker 3 (52:33):
You.

Speaker 2 (52:34):
We'll have to wait.

Speaker 1 (52:35):
It's going to be very interesting. Look, we're running short
of time. Just before I go, I want to ask you.
When your videos begin, there's a little there's a little
design comes up. I just want to ask you what
is it?

Speaker 4 (52:48):
What?

Speaker 1 (52:48):
What's what's that?

Speaker 2 (52:50):
Well, back in the day when it was ceremonial counties,
or well we are still ceremonial counties. That's the flag
of Cheshaw.

Speaker 1 (52:57):
Oh right, that's the flag of Cheshaw intro.

Speaker 2 (53:00):
So it's like a multi layered thing where I'm obviously
in Cheshire in England, and obviously in Britain in the UK,
and it's sort of like a multi laid aspect to
my identity.

Speaker 1 (53:11):
One might say, okay, and I see you're even flying
a are we flag for the Welsh there behind you.

Speaker 2 (53:19):
Well, yeah, I actually picked this up on a market
in North Wales called Sea Prince, which is down the
road from Tawn and I picked that up because I'm like,
Wales isn't really represented on the Union Jack, and I
know why that is. It's because at the point that
the Union Jack was designed, it was because Wales was
essentially part of England, and the current Welsh flag, which

(53:40):
is the dragon on the green background, that really only
came in the late nineteen fifties. So obviously the Union
Jack predates the Welsh flag by on fifty years. So
I know the historical reason for that, and I don't
think there's much of an I don't think there's much
of a call out to ingratiate the welshaggon on say
you union jack, we'll just pick it up. I just

(54:02):
thought it looked nice and I think I think it
represents all formations.

Speaker 1 (54:06):
Absolutely and it can be I mean, those designs can
be flown at at at events that that it's appropriate
to fly them at. So yeah, it's a nice wee,
a nice we uh little just designed there now. So
what I want to do though, is encourage people who
are on YouTube to please follow your site, which is

(54:28):
YouTube dot com, Forward slash at Cheshire Cat Musings and Damien,
you're publishing well fairly regularly, I mean once a day
almost have set certainly two or three times a week
and well worth well worth of follow and I do
wish you the very best and I'd love to be

(54:50):
on your show as well if I can ever wangle
back from you maybe someday in the future.

Speaker 2 (54:55):
Well I'm not there on live streams, but I'll likely
one so as it record a sag with me some
points in the near future. And i'd also welcome coming
back on back on to your channel again maybe in
the near future.

Speaker 1 (55:08):
We must have you on. We must have you on
because a sense that this conversation could have gone on
for an hour.

Speaker 2 (55:13):
Well you know me, well you know me. You've had
me in a pub before you could talk to me.
You could talk to me abay about the country.

Speaker 1 (55:19):
So absolutely, and you've got a lot to say, and
you've got a lot of historical knowledge as well, which just.

Speaker 2 (55:24):
On a little bit of a little bit of a
side note, I'm glad you've got the poison to arf
Nicolas Surgeon stepping down in Scotland. That's really good news
to me. And whenever I see you on the TV,
I turn off, thankfully when I've seen that Labor lost
all the seats, so I gained all the seats from
the s MP and they've done that bit of a
close up on Nicolas Sturgeon on ITV. It was absolutely,

(55:47):
so so funny, it was so so hilarious and I
think I watched it on your piece. I just think
it's brilliant.

Speaker 1 (55:51):
Well, good, good, well, folks, please do send in your
comments and thank Damien for his fantastic, fantastic work there.
We will speak to you again. We'll get you on
as soon as possible, actually because I think we'll make
a good team here, and so we'll say good night

(56:11):
and more power to your Cheshire, English and British elbow.

Speaker 2 (56:17):
Well very much, you appreciate your time, all the best
and take it easy.

Speaker 1 (56:21):
Cheers. All right, we're back. Fantastic Damien Davies of Cheshire
Cat Musings, whom you will find on YouTube dot com.
And that was Damien's first time on the show and
we must get him back now, folks. Before I say

(56:43):
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