To Save the Welfare State, Stop Mass Immigration Ep 133. 26 Mar 2025

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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(00:43):
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on at seven twenty five and his name is mister
Pat McGinnis from the National Housing Party and they were
brought to our attention recently and we do like one
or two of their policies on how to stop mass

(01:06):
immigration and the asylum fiasco, so we'll be asking Pat
to expand upon those policies tonight. We look forward to
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it to save the Welfare State. We have to stop
mass immigration. That is so true. Let's say hello to
people tonight. Who was first in Debbie was first in
good Evening, to Alistair, good evening, to you, Debbie, and
to everyone watching. Priston journalist who was a great guest

(02:55):
on our show last week, says Hi Alistair, NHS road congestion,
welfare and the general dirtiness of Britain can all be
linked to mass immigration, both legal and illegal. Absolutely goodness me,
the number of coming in legally is just beyond the

(03:18):
payoll quite frankly. I to Oxanna and nice to see
Richard in the house, who says hello, Alistair and friends.
It's good to be here. And there is the National
Housing Party UK TV YouTube page is watching, and good

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evening to you, sir. I'll give you a wave right back.
Lots of good policies from the NHP UK. Please stick around.
We'll be chatting to one of their office holders, Pat
McGuinness at seven twenty five and hello to Catheren. Now

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today in the British Houses of Parliament was the Spring Statement.
Now it's not quite a budget as such, but it's
a kind of well a mini budget as it were,
and Rachel Reeves, the Chancellor, spoke at great length about it,
and interestingly she had a lot to say about this

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and that, but absolutely nothing to say about what's on
everybody's minds of course, which is the sheer volume of
people who are coming into the country that may have
escaped her notice. My goodness me, living in the center
of London, how could it possibly escape her notice? But
maybe she thinks she's living in a foreign land already,

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or maybe she doesn't even care any wish. She did
not have anything to say about it, but she did
tell us that she was going to save was it
five billion pounds by various welfare cuts. Let's just see
what the how this was?

Speaker 2 (05:08):
Here we go Rachel.

Speaker 1 (05:09):
Reeves's spring statement. Let's have a look at it, key
points at a glance. Can everybody see that on the screen?
And I've got a concern now ever since that week
that we brought this up and nobody could see the
actual articles. If it's on the screen, please tell me

(05:33):
here's our man.

Speaker 2 (05:35):
It's there. Let's go. Okay, everything you need to know.

Speaker 1 (05:42):
As the Office for Budget Responsibility slashes the UK's growth
forecast and the Chancellor cuts spending, so despite all the
masses of legal immigrants, it still seems that there's yet
to work their magic on the economy. We're always told,
of course, that the more immigrants the better, but it

(06:03):
seems like they have not yet despite their multitude of millions,
they have not yet what they're magic. In her spring statement,
viewed as another budget and all but name, the Chancellor
blamed a world quote changing before our eyes. Oh my,
she's got that.

Speaker 2 (06:20):
But right, blah blah blah blah blah blah, here we go.

Speaker 1 (06:24):
Economic growth forecast. Have the growth forecast as well, of course,
is often nonsense because it's based on the gross domestic
product and so that's not an accurate measure of growth.
The accurate measure of growth is gross domestic product pair

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head of per person. If that is increasing, then everybody
is doing better. If that's not increasing, then nobody is
doing better. But anyway, even though they don't even deal
with it per capita. Nevertheless, just the simple GDP growth

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appears to be stagnant. There is a record tax burden now.
The OBR warned that Britain's tax burden would hit a
record share of GDP under labor, and the OBR is
essentially a government body, it should be added. So the
tax burden is increasing. But Labor claim to have avoided

(07:28):
a budget deficit, which means that they calculate more will
be coming into the treasury than going out. And she
thinks that because of the four point eight billion of
welfare cuts, that's going to save the day. On Wednesday,
the Chancellor said that the OBR now estimates that her

(07:50):
package will trim four point eight billion a year from
the welfare bill, and it includes changes to disability and
sickness benefits along with new changes to universal credit in
capacity benefits. Well, time will tell if any of that
does anything to, as she say says, fundamentally reform the

(08:13):
British state. Somehow, I doubt that fundamentally reforming the British
state is going to is going to require a little
bit more than four point eight billion in welfare cuts.
Quite frankly, I'm sure some of us have ideas of
what really needs to happen. And as an aside here,

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they're going to spend some extra on the Ministry of Defense,
in particular quote novel technologies including drones and AI enabled technology. Well,
I would be happier about that if it was drones
and AI enabled technology to help them police the English Channel,

(08:59):
because that's where the defense of our country is required.
It's not really required in the rest of the world
so much as it is required right now to find
peaceful ways to stop the invaders across the English Channel.

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And I'm sure if she wanted to, she could put
money into into border control, talking of which we were
inspired by this article by Michael Deacon There's only one
way to save the welfare state, end mass immigration. And
this appeared in the Daily Telegraph on the twentieth of

(09:43):
March twenty twenty five. And he's talking about these cuts,
and he says Liz Kendall, the minister behind the cuts,
boasts that they'll reduce the welfare bill by five billion. Well,
that's what we've just been saying there. To put that
figure in context, however, it's less than the amount we
spent last year alone on asylum seekers. In total, the

(10:07):
UK's asylum bill last year came to five point four billion,
including three billion on hotels. Again, that was for just
one year. But let's not stop there, he says, because
I've got some other extremely uncomfortable facts. For example, in

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this country today, according to our recent report by the
Center for Migration Control, about one point two million immigrants
or on benefits between them in the year twenty twenty three,
they're estimated to have received over seven point five billion
billion in universal credit. On top of that, the cost

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of providing them with public services came to three point
five billion. Do you see the billions here that are
being spent on foreign immigrants? In the country right now.
Now here are some numbers that are smaller, he says,
but still highly significant. Over the past five years, the

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government has spent twenty seven million on interpreters for benefits
climates who can't speak English. So somebody's getting benefits and
they can't speak English. What other country in the world
do you go to and you can't speak their language,
but they will lavish benefits upon you.

Speaker 2 (11:29):
It is crazy.

Speaker 1 (11:30):
Here in the United Kingdom, meanwhile, police spending on translation
services has climbed to over nineteen million a year, because
it would seem many of our criminals can't speak English either.
And he works it out, and he says, if your
country has a welfare state, it's bound to attract a

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very large number of people from poorer countries, as a
result of which your country will inevitably get poorer and
your welfare state will become harder and harder to fund.
If therefore, these labor MPs truly are aghast at Liz
Kendall's cuts, is it not time for them to consider
the possibility that Milton Friedman was right when he said

(12:16):
that you can either have a welfare state or mass immigration,
but not both.

Speaker 2 (12:21):
Well, you never know.

Speaker 1 (12:23):
Perhaps Labor MPs will now start eagerly campaigning to stop
the boats while shouting we need to listen to an
idol Forage, it's time for zero immigration on the whole.
Though I tend to find this scenario just a touch unlikely. Instead,
I suspect these labor MPs will simply carry on in

(12:43):
their comfort zone by calling for benefits to be funded
by a wealth tax on the rich. While doing so,
they will of course studiously ignore the fact that this
cunning plan relies on the rich helpfully sticking around to
have their wallets emptied. Do we think the rich would
do that? I can't help feeling that if they were

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this easy to fleece, they would never have got rich
in the first place. In all likelihood, then benefits will
end up having to be cut again and again and again,
even for those who genuinely need them, and everyone in
the Labor Party will be even more outraged than they
are today. But at least they won't have had to

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agree with Nigel Farage about something, and in the end
that's the main thing. Michael Deacon, Daily Telegraph, twentieth of
March twenty twenty five. We put that article up on
our Facebook page. It's very very good and it sums
it all up. And on that same issue as well,

(13:49):
the fact that all these people are coming over legally
and illegally on the boats or legally actually on the boats,
and we'll get into that with our man Patrick McGuinness
from the National Housing Party who's coming on at seven
twenty five in ten minutes. We'll get into talking about
policies to stop the boat's, serious policies to stop the boat's,

(14:12):
practical policies to stop the boats, not not pointless complicated,
overly expensive policies all trying to appease the UN Refugee Convention.
No proper policies built upon defending our island from mass

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peaceful invasion. And the policies are out there and we'll
be talking about them with mister McGinnis at seven twenty
five just in a few minutes. But in the meantime
found this article as well from the Daily Telegraph twentieth
of November. Twentieth of March, migrants offered discounts if they

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film their crossing for TikTok. And what the report or
here has found is that people smugglers are offering migrants
a discount for crossing the channel if they film their
journey to promote it on social media. Imagine that okay.
They're encouraged by their traffickers to film the journeys and

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then post them on TikTok, Snapchat, Instagram and Facebook in
order to lure others into making the dangerous crossings. In return,
they get a cheaper crossing as the footage boose business
for the smugglers. And this tactic was revealed by Paul
Bristly from the National Crime Agency, which has been taking

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down the social media posts in an attempt to stem
the crossings. Last year, the National Crime Agency triggered the
removal of more than eight thousand social media accounts promoting crossings.
Eight thousand social media accounts. Now that presume what they
have to do is the government contacts these social media
providers and says you have to take that down, you

(16:03):
have to take that post down. That's interesting to know,
isn't it that the government is exercising that power. It
says here now, this is this is a week ago.
It says a total of four thousand, three hundred and
ninety two people in eighty boats have made the crossing
to the UK. So far this year. Well it's more now.
I think it's over five thousand now, I saw and

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it says to the cost of securing passage ranges from
one thousand, five hundred to six thousand pounds with discounts,
the cost of securing passage ranges from one thousand, five
hundred pounds to six thousand pounds. Well that's a little
bit strange. I mean, what's the uh, what's the discount

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that you're offered onna dinghy for example, that's worth a
difference of four and a half thousand pounds. Well, it's
like the people who pay six thousand hounds for a
dinghy crossing, do they get to like sit down the
front of the dinghy or something like that? You know,
is there a member of the Turkish mafia standing down

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the front with a trolley, you know, and he like
goes down the front of the first few rows and goes,
would you like a mars bar? And the guy goes
yes please, And the guy goes, well, swim for it,
you lot, bam. I mean, seriously, what is the difference there?

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So that's that's important. That's important to note as well.
It's all at our expense, of course, we're they're all
having a laugh, having a laugh at our expense, when
what really needs to happen, and we'll get into is
they should arrive in Dover, they should be rounded up
and they should be fast tracked to prison as entering

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the United Kingdom in an illegal manner and that is
against the law in the UK. However, if you claim
asylum while doing it, it's not against the law. If
you claim asylum while doing it, it is legal. That's

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the problem, and so that's why none of these people
get sent to prison. That's why we have to take
them to hotels and put them up, and even if
their country is perfectly safe, if they say it's unsafe
for them, we've got to go through a whole load

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of looking at it and investigating it, which takes weeks
and months and years. Whereas if week came out of
the UN Convention, we could just say no, we're not
giving you asylum. You have to leave, or you'll get
sent to prison, and you'll be in prison for a

(18:59):
set number of years, and you would not have to
do that to many people, and you would not have
to do it for very long because the traffic would
dry up because they would realize that it's not worth
their while or their time anymore, and that's what needs
to happen. Let's have a look at some of the comments.

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Catherine says, me and my son are laughing at this
ridiculous country, but it's not that funny. Really. You have
to laugh sometimes to stay sane. Christopher says, it's completely untenable.
We are subsidizing the third world here, total madness. Christopher
liked that.

Speaker 2 (19:37):
Article, it was very good.

Speaker 1 (19:39):
Richard says, I think the hippies never really went away,
but the hippies haven't heard that one for a while.
But the terrible ideas infected the minds of the political class. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
it's it's definitely an infection, sort of globalist internationalist infection

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in all of the West, in all of the West,
not just Britain, but especially in Britain. For some reason,
it hit Britain harder than it hit any of the
other European countries. You go to other European countries, there's
still some kind of sanity left in some areas, but
in Britain it was like full on, full on, very

(20:22):
very unusual.

Speaker 3 (20:24):
Really.

Speaker 1 (20:25):
Richard says that many are thinking that the somehow Britain
will rise, Britain's will rise up in the near future. Well,
people never rise up except through proper leadership, and I
think that that's what Britain's been lacking at the moment.
But there's lots of people who are coming on the scene,
who are providing leadership, providing intelligent ideas and solutions, and

(20:46):
you see them more and more now, at least you
do on social media. I don't know what the mainstream
legacy press is like, but certainly even there, even there,
you do start to see it, such as that article
that I just read out by Michael Deacon. You wouldn't
have read that in the Daily Telegraph even then five
years ago, you wouldn't have read something like that. And

(21:09):
I think it is the wave of the future. As
Richard says here, it's been neglected by foolish politicians immigration,
that is, particularly since nineteen ninety seven, but it is
the way forward to benefit so many. And so let's
talk about the way forward with our guest this evening.
Who is Pat McGinnis. Please, folks, we're going to bring

(21:31):
Pat in. Please say hello to Pat and what he's
got to say tonight. Good evening, Pat Hello, good evening,
Thanks very much for coming on the show, and I'm
looking forward to the things that you've got to say tonight. Now,

(21:51):
you were brought to our attention when I watched a
video of you talking about the UN Refugee Convention, and
we can get to that in a moment, but firstly,
i'd like you please just to tell us a little
bit about the National Housing Party, and indeed explain to
us while you're doing that, just about the name. It's

(22:13):
a slightly unusual party political name, and why you chose that.

Speaker 3 (22:18):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (22:18):
So I've been campaigning against permanent settlement immigration since twenty
twelve and when I used to go knocking on doors
for local elections, I used to always use the housing
crisis as the tool, the vehicle to get the vote.
And it's very easy to do because we're in a

(22:39):
serious We've been in a serious housing crisis for many years.
So for various reasons, we started the National Housing Party
in twenty twenty two and we actually try to call
it the National Party UK and they wouldn't let us
have it because they said it was as too similar

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to the UK and that's when I thought, well, you know,
we used to always campaign about housing crisis, so why
not put housing in the middle there, And that's what
we did. And I just I just like the name
of it, and a lot of people like it.

Speaker 3 (23:17):
Some people don't like it.

Speaker 4 (23:18):
But when you're knocking on someone's door with the name
like National Housing Party, you don't have to tell them
what you're They already know by the name what you're
campaigning about. And we are a unionist party where Christian
Nationalist party, So we had UK at the end, which
is important for us as well, because you know, if

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we only if you only have GB or you call
Britain this or Britain that you're excluding Northern Ireland. So
we'd like to include all of the United Kingdom. And
that's how the name came about, so to speak.

Speaker 2 (23:51):
And good good.

Speaker 1 (23:54):
I think it is a I think it is a
good name because everybody wants house, everybody's supportive of the
idea of housing or affordable housing for themselves and so on,
so I think that it's not a bad name at all.
I like the name, and also like the fact, of

(24:14):
course that you're for the United Kingdom. And you make
a good point there about Northern Ireland, because I've seen
that I've seen that before with some of the Northern
Irish people feeling left out if they don't see themselves included.
So that's good to know as well. Now I watched

(24:36):
a video of yours about maybe three weeks ago, and
you were in London and you were talking about illegal
immigration versus legal immigration, and you were talking about the
UN Refugee Convention from nineteen fifty one. Now that's the

(24:58):
legal structure under which British government is obliged to operate
because we are signed up to the UN Refugee Convention
and therefore we cannot go against it when we're dealing
with people who are coming into the country. And you

(25:20):
were pointing out, which most people don't get, is that
these people that are coming in are actually coming in legally.

Speaker 2 (25:30):
Would you like to develop.

Speaker 1 (25:32):
Your point there, because I know this is something that
National Housing Party has been pushing for a while.

Speaker 2 (25:36):
Now.

Speaker 4 (25:37):
Yeah, well, this goes back a long way and I
noticed that this is going to be a problem probably
way back in two fenty and fourteen, twenty fifteen and
when UKID we're campaigning to leave the European Union. I
was trying to explain to people that in their manifest
though anyone can check this that they had in their

(25:58):
manifest Are they going to stay signed up to the
United Nations nineteen fifty one Refugee Convention, So it would
make no difference whatsoever for people turning up on boats
in the EU or not, because the UN has nothing
to do with the EU. So this whole problem is
so big. People don't understand. Our whole society has been

(26:19):
shaped around this notion that we must be nice to
refugees and we you know, they're literally canceling Christian Easter
ceremonies in favor of a Refugee Week event to brainwaster
the children into brainwashing and to accept that the whole
of Africa, the whole of Asia should have the right

(26:40):
to come in.

Speaker 3 (26:41):
This is what is going on.

Speaker 4 (26:42):
I'm sorry it would be so blunt, but that is
what's going on. And you know, the bottom line is
the only way it's going to be solved if people
stand up and say no, no more refugees. We need
to leave the United Nations Refugee Convention to make it
illegal from when they turn up on the boats. At
the moment, so many people are saying these illegals in

(27:02):
the hotel. Why do these people deliberately get caught by
the water force because they know they're not going to
be penalized and it's completely legal within the United Nations
Refugee Convention. Now, as I said earlier, it goes back
a long way. And you know, but the bigger players
like you know, I know that some of your viewers

(27:22):
may like Nigel Faraja. I've never been a fan of him,
and he I emphasized in that video you talk about,
is that he has chosen to call them illegals because
he doesn't want to speak about the Refugee Convention and
that is the root of the problem.

Speaker 3 (27:38):
So he's chosen to do that.

Speaker 4 (27:40):
And then because he's calling them illegals, he was then
challenged in an interview, you're going to deport the illegals
and he said no, So he's made a big problem
for himself when he should have taken.

Speaker 3 (27:51):
The National Housing.

Speaker 4 (27:52):
Party's position is, look, these people are claiming asylum. We
need to change the whole system to make it illegal.
So once we've left the Refugee Convention, then they will
be penalized if they turned up. I mean even the
Rwanda deal. People don't understand that the Rwanda deal was
all about protecting the refugee convention because they sell a braverman,

(28:16):
who is the chief whatever about it? She kept saying
their illegals, right, So why wasn't she prepared to convict
them for a crime of breaking into our country? She
didn't because she waits to send them to Rwanda and
not convict them and not make a deterrent. As we
spoke earlier, if you want to protect your nation, you

(28:37):
need a deterrent to stop people repeatedly keep trying. We've
had multiple examples of Albanian murderers. Afghanistani failed to silence
seeker has been deported three times, came back, walked down
ox the street, approaching women, got refused, smashed their head
in with a hammer. And this guy had been deported
three times a failed to silence seaker. If we had

(28:59):
these deterrent like in our policy, we suggest a three
year prison sentence and people start saying, oh, but why
I pay the money. Well, you can't just keep deporting people.
You know they're going to keep coming back. So you know,
we've also got an amnesty, not an amnesty to get
a British passport, an amnesty from the three year sentence.
If they haven't committed a serious crimes, they can leave

(29:21):
the country.

Speaker 3 (29:22):
If they.

Speaker 4 (29:24):
Yeah, bringer prints and photograph and I haven't committed a
serious of fans, they're free to go.

Speaker 3 (29:29):
Band for life.

Speaker 1 (29:30):
Yes, yes, that's absolutely right. Because the Rwandan thing was
an attempt to create a deterrent, as you said, within
the bonds of continuing to remain members of the UN
Refugee Convention. And the idea was that well, we'll process
them in Rwanda and that rigmarole will be enough to

(29:51):
deter a certain number of them. But of course most
people could see, well, how many people are we realistically
going to be processing in Rwan. There's literally one hundreds,
if not thousands and some weeks coming over, well certainly
hundreds each week coming over, and there was simply not
going to be that capacity in Rwanda. And then the

(30:13):
Rwandans themselves are going to say, well, actually we don't
want all these people coming over endlessly forever more either.
So the Rwanda thing was just a big wasted time
and effort and energy and didn't act as a deterrent.
The only deterrent is for a national sovereign government is
prison time you come in illegally, you go to prison. Yeah,

(30:37):
that's how it should have been from the very start.

Speaker 3 (30:40):
I mean, the Rwanda thing was such a joke.

Speaker 4 (30:42):
They was all calling the midleegals, but they weren't going
to convict them of a crime to try to break
into it. They're going to send them to Rwanda. And
another thing they kept saying now is the papal traffickers. Well,
if I was a papal trafficer and i was on
one of those ding gays and I've got arrested, Ill
on a minute, you've just let the cargo, We'll climb asylum.
So what's it like, go about what I'm doing? You know,
it's just a complete joke and people have got a

(31:04):
wake up to it.

Speaker 1 (31:06):
That's actually a good point because Kiss star Mark will
go on and on about how we will do whatever
it takes to stop the people traffickers, but it's the
end result of the aim. The people traffickers could say,
we're just helping these people claim their legal rights to
asylum in the UK. We're not actually doing anything wrong. Okay,

(31:29):
we might not be very nice people. We might be
charging them an arm and a leg, sometimes quite literally,
but it's a legal thing that we're doing so.

Speaker 3 (31:39):
Very important things.

Speaker 4 (31:41):
If I may, you know, the document the documentation thing.
So they deliberately destroy their documents, as we all know.
And you cannot deport someone who hasn't got documents. If
you if you think somebody is from a certain country
and you find out that country and say to them, right,
we've got someone here, they're going to want to know
their name and their identity. If you can't clarify their identity,

(32:04):
they're not going to take them. That's just it's just obvious.
I mean, I don't see why people can't see that.
And then when so you put them in prison. Our
policy is three year prison sentence and you stay in
prison until you organize your papers to leave. And the
bigger problem is because there's so many now is up
to two million illegals. And this is why Boris Johnson

(32:27):
and people before said, oh he wants to give them
all amnesty, because they're not prepared to detain millions of
people and hold them in detentions until they leave. And
our policy, I don't know if you saw this, but
we suggest that we need to build thousands of detention
centers for these illegals. Once they're rounded up, and these

(32:49):
detention centers can later be turned into social housing for
our own people once they've left all because there's up
to two million illegals. But we would have that amnesty
from the three year sentence if they took it before
a certain date which we set.

Speaker 3 (33:02):
Also, if they did.

Speaker 4 (33:04):
Come in the league they got three years, they could
pay a thirty thousand get out clause as well, so
they're not going to want to come back to get
another thirty thousand pounds fine. So there's multiple things we
can do to sort this problem out, but it's all
about detention and the establishment and even for arging that
because they keep saying I will just push the boats back,

(33:25):
but that's not a deterrent.

Speaker 3 (33:27):
You know that.

Speaker 4 (33:28):
You know we need a deterrent and they're just going
to keep coming back. And the bottom line is for
Argent reform, they want to continue to accept refugees and
signed up to the Refugee Convention.

Speaker 1 (33:39):
Hopefully the people who are advising forage and reform and
that lot will come round to seeing the truth about
your point of view on the whole UN Refugee Convention.
There's still time for them to do that. Let's hope
that they that they do see sense on that. I

(34:00):
like the idea of I mean, it is against the
law to destroy your documents when you enter the country.
There is a law against that as well, but again
it's not being applied to the channel crossers because because
the UN Refugee Convention does not punish you if you

(34:24):
do that. So again that's another reason why these people
were so punished when they dropped their passport over the
side of the dinghy.

Speaker 4 (34:35):
Also, a very important thing is in twenty twenty four
there was one hundred thousand asylum applications in the UK
all through the nineteen fifty one year Refugee Convention. Only
thirty percent of those came in at Dover, So those
was just a small part of the problem.

Speaker 3 (34:54):
You know.

Speaker 4 (34:54):
Another thing, people say, oh, but they're going through safe countries.
Our government takes refugees from Syria, Iran, Iraq, Eritrea. Anyone
from those countries can easily qualify for ASILUM. If you
turn up on a boat, do you think they're gonna say, oh,
you went through psyde countries. We're not gonna We took
ten last week from Eritrea or Iraq, but we're not

(35:17):
going to tell you.

Speaker 3 (35:17):
It's you kind of wrong way. They got a tyken
and that's what's going on.

Speaker 1 (35:22):
Yeah, under the UN Refugee Convention, there's unlimited millions and
millions of people who right now are only limited in
their ability to get to Britain because if we go
by the letter of the law of the UN Refugee Convention,
if if half of these people turned up, we would

(35:44):
a case could be made that they that they are
definitely refugees. So again, dealing with that reality means that,
in my view, we should simply just abolish where we
leave the UN Refugee Convention and then we ensure that
we have abolished asylum entirely.

Speaker 3 (36:02):
I mean.

Speaker 4 (36:05):
Our official statement on refugees is in an ideal world,
there should be refugee camps.

Speaker 3 (36:11):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (36:11):
If people are generally fleeing for their lives, you put
them in a refugee camp to save their lives, they
will be happy to be there. Right they stay in
the refugee camp. They're never given citizenship ever, and when
their country becomes safe they can go back or another
countries is willing to tain them. But once you start

(36:32):
giving passports out, every time you give a UK passport
out to a foreigner. You're giving a little bit of
your country away, and that's what's happened. We've given out
about between twenty five and thirty million UK passports to
people who are not British.

Speaker 3 (36:46):
Right.

Speaker 4 (36:46):
I'm not suggesting we need to deport legally settled migrants, right. However,
I believe that they should never have come in the
first place. I'm happy to say that. Doesn't mean that
I'm not going to get on with them and stuff
like that, but that's that's my view on the whole situation.
So you have temporary refugee camps, you know, you look
after them, stop them from being killed or whatever. Right,

(37:07):
but we are now in a position now that we
can't even do that because we're trillions in debt as
a nation, We've got one point three million people waiting
for social housing. We are not in a position to
temporarily help any more refugees. I think we've done enough.
I think we've helped a hell of a lot of
refugees over the years, and we should be proud of
that if you want to be proud of it. And

(37:30):
the party's over, because you know we're on course of
becoming a minority as the native estation.

Speaker 3 (37:37):
You know, there's so many things.

Speaker 1 (37:39):
Absolutely, as you see, the party is over. It should
never actually have started in the first place, but it
and it went as soon as it gets out of hand.
As soon as the party get out of hand, the
police should come around and knocked on the door and says, no,
it's the time to stop it, mate. It's too late
in the morning for this carry on. So that's what
indeed we should have done.

Speaker 2 (37:57):
But you're right.

Speaker 1 (38:00):
Another point there about the citizenship, and that's also a draw.
The ease with which we give out as you say,
passports by which is meant granting people British citizenship. The
ease with which we do that is unbelievable.

Speaker 2 (38:16):
It really is.

Speaker 1 (38:17):
If you come across on a small boat and if
you get accepted as an official refugee, then you get
what's called refugee leave to remain and you all you
need to do is stay here for five years, and
then after five years you can apply for permanent settlement
it's called indefinite leave to remain. And then once you

(38:39):
get that, and you always get it. Once you get that,
then that's you here forever. And if you want after
one year after that, the sixth year that you've been here, effectively,
you can then apply for British citizenship and again you're
going to get it, and you're going to get a
passport and then that's you technically British and that has

(38:59):
a huge I don't know exactly the numbers that have
been given citizenship since, for example, the end of World
War Two, but it's suddenly certainly millions of people, and
lately as well under the Boris Wave, all these people
are going to become eligible for British well for indefinitely,
to remain this year and next year and then British citizenship.

(39:24):
And that's hundreds of thousands, maybe millions of people who
will change our democracy as well, because they're going to vote.
They're not going to vote for people at you and I.
They're going to vote for people that said he can
and his tribe to be.

Speaker 4 (39:39):
You'll you'll be surprised on that. That's another discussion because
I stand in local elections. That's what our party is
all about. You know, we need to stand in local elections.
That's the only way out of this mess. It start
at the bottom, work our way up. And I stand
in Camden Central London. And but going back to what
what well so get, I'll get a lot of for

(40:00):
Muslims and stuff vote for me because they want immigration stops.

Speaker 3 (40:03):
They're all overcrowded. You know.

Speaker 4 (40:05):
I've got lots of Africans voting for me. They don't
like the LGBT thing. They don't like khn they hate Kh't.
I don't think I've met a Muslim yet who likes Khan.
So it's the white lefties who votekhn In in London.

Speaker 1 (40:18):
That's interesting to know. Why wouldn't the Muslims lake Khan.

Speaker 4 (40:21):
Because he's closing all the roads. He supports the LGBC
Pride event. He wants more refugees in the country, and
they don't want any of that.

Speaker 3 (40:30):
That's why they don't support him. People think he's isdoms.
He's not. He's a woke Muslim.

Speaker 4 (40:36):
You know, there's probably a number of Muslims who vote
for him. But where I live, I've spoken to a
lot and they absolutely hate him. But going back to
the Refugee Convention, you know, like I said earlier on,
it was created in nineteen fifty one, and before that
it was unheard of. A refugee would never be given

(40:58):
a passport, and basically the whole world was kind of
pressured into signing this agreement that if any refugee turns
up at your country, you must give them full citizenship
and all the rights is the native population. It's clearly
written in it.

Speaker 1 (41:15):
Yes, yes, that's right. Once as soon as you get
refugee status, you get apart from your passport, you get
all the welfare, work, benefit rates, and housing, the whole
thing on exactly the same basis as a British citizen,
even though you're not a British citizen.

Speaker 3 (41:32):
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 4 (41:33):
And before this it didn't exist ever in history. So
this nineteen fifty one, you're in Refugee Convention. You know,
this is like it's a change the rest. It's creating
more problems and danger. All the people are dying coming
across the channel in the boats. They're creating more danger
than what it was created for to save people.

Speaker 1 (41:55):
You know, yes, yes, it's certainly, it's certainly done, done that,
and it's changed the nature of the Western world as
far as demography is concerned. It's been like a peaceful
way in which to transform the population really quite.

Speaker 4 (42:17):
I've often described as a as a communist assault on
the planet for an our borders world.

Speaker 3 (42:24):
That's what that's what it is. It's basically created our borders.

Speaker 2 (42:28):
Yes, there's the the people.

Speaker 1 (42:30):
The intention behind it is an internationalist open borders intention,
no question about that, and that's been a very powerful
attitude in the West post war for for what for
whatever reasons. But going back to the thing with citizenship

(42:52):
and so on, that's specific to our country. I mean,
people get citizenship after six years here essentially legal immigrants
if they want to claim it, but other countries don't.
I mean, that's not written in law. It could be
after twenty five years. And I would advocate that either

(43:12):
immigrants legal or otherwise legal, or refugees do not get
a pathway to citizenship ever, and if they do, it
should be at least a generation, which is to say,
twenty five years of unbroken settlement here, obeying the law
and paying largely paying your own way, like the rest

(43:33):
of us have to do.

Speaker 3 (43:35):
Well.

Speaker 4 (43:35):
One of our main things in our part. We're a
Christian nationalist party, and permanent settlement immigration of foreigners is
actually an anti Christian concept. Because you can go to
Act seventeen twenty six it clearly talks about God creating
the nations and the borders and what do you have
borders for to keep people who don't belong in that

(43:55):
territory out? And you know, our campaign is to make
giving the UK passports foreigners a thing of the past.
The only way in our policies would be permissible to
get into the country permanently was would be to marry
a UK citizen, but that UK citizen would have to

(44:15):
trace half of their ancestry back to the British arles
for one hundred years. This would stop all the arranged
marriages in the Pakistani Bangladeshi communities who are just marrying foreigners,
bringing them in and no connection to our country. So yeah,
the only way in their policies would be for a marriage.

Speaker 1 (44:37):
Well, that's an interesting one. I would personally, I would
say you have to trace your family back to pre
World War Two. If you trace your family back to
pre World War Two, that guarantees that a member of
your family.

Speaker 2 (44:54):
Looked like.

Speaker 1 (44:57):
A British British the indigenous British p pulation, because ninety
nine point nine percent of people in nineteen thirty nine
looked like you and I. If you put a time
limit on it, like seventy years is going to come
and go, and so like in a few years time,
seventy years will been passed and it'll be like what
Britain looked like in nineteen ninety five, which was completely different.

(45:17):
So if you put it like a fix it at
a moment in time and say you have to have
a member that looked like that, then I quite like
that idea. Actually, that's a good one. Hadn't hadn't that
one hadn't occurred to me? But that is a big issue.
Is the arranged marriages as well. And I think if
they want to arrange marriage, fine, but do it over
there and stay over there.

Speaker 3 (45:39):
I'm sure there's a man over here. I'm sure there's
big money involved as well.

Speaker 1 (45:44):
Oh yeah, yeah, big money and lots of lawyers living
high on the hog on that particular one as well.

Speaker 4 (45:55):
So what's what's the feeling there in Scotland with the
unions and stuff? Is it strong stiy in the union?

Speaker 1 (46:03):
Well, in twenty twenty four the biggest plebiscite ever it
was fifty five forty five, and I would imagine it's
probably still around about that. There's always a hardcore of
Scottish nationalists who always make up about twenty five to
thirty percent of people regardless of what, and then you

(46:26):
have a floating percentage that doesn't make their mind up
one way or the other. And then you've got your
hardcore unionists as well, which are again twenty five to
thirty percent of the population. So there's kind of twenty
five thirty percent in the middle that don't really know
that that can leap about. But certainly, as far as
the fortunes of the SNP has been concerned, it's not.

(46:47):
It's taken a tanking with after Sturgeon and Humsy Yusuf's
awful government governorship. And also here in Scotland, as in
the rest of the United Kingdom, there is an upsurge
in support for the Reform Party which is advocated, which

(47:12):
is estimated to get maybe between eight and fourteen seats
next year. So it's all in flux at the moment.
And everybody thought Labor was going to win in twenty
twenty six easily, but because of Cure Starmer and the
general bad news about that, you know, the general poor

(47:33):
showing of the Labor Party in London, it's no longer
for certain that anasar War will do as well as
was expected. So it's going to be a very interesting
election one way or the other. But it's going to
be changes. There's going to be changes. And in fact,
just reading today Fergus Ewing, who's a long term who's

(47:55):
been in the SNP since the since the very beginning,
and who has been in Scottish parliaments it's the very beginning,
he said that he's going to no longer stand for
the party because he doesn't think it's representative of what
he calls all of Scotland. But he is thinking of
standing as as an independent in twenty twenty.

Speaker 2 (48:17):
Six, so that would be quite good.

Speaker 1 (48:18):
He's always been a thorn in the side of the
SNP and it's the nearest thing that they've got to
a kind of traditionalist as it were.

Speaker 2 (48:29):
Because the rest are just terribly, terribly.

Speaker 1 (48:31):
Woke and all the sins in fact that go along
with that. I know you need to get away for
eight o'clock, so I want to say thank you very much.

Speaker 4 (48:43):
I've got one quick story if you go ahead, if
you don't mind me say March We've got we had
the exit, the UN Refugee Convention banner and we took
it to the Conservative conference in two thousand and nineteen,
I think it was twenty.

Speaker 3 (49:00):
Uh. I came back on the train after.

Speaker 4 (49:03):
The conference and there was lots of young Tories on
the train and this was this was early days when
the Dover crisis was developing, and I said to them
I wanted to know their opinion. And he was like
very dismissive, very look down at me and said that
that's just that's just a minute issue. I was like, well,
I don't think it is, mate, this is a serious problem.

(49:24):
And two weeks later, David Emas was murdered by someone
whose family came in under the United Nations Refugee Convention.
And you know that's there's been multiple refugees, uh, what's
his name?

Speaker 3 (49:39):
A baby the.

Speaker 4 (49:41):
Manchester arenabomber Sam and a baby that's his name he
came as a refugee.

Speaker 3 (49:46):
I could name quite a few.

Speaker 1 (49:49):
Terrible Rihanna Waite last year got murdered by somebody. She
was working at one of these hotels. Yeah, yeah, yes,
dinner Leady or something like that.

Speaker 2 (49:58):
Yes, murdered.

Speaker 1 (49:59):
And that's why it is it's a national security emergency
because it does a physical danger that these people come
across here. It is absolutely appalling, and it's upon every
single politician who doesn't speak out against it, and it's
amazing and congratulations to you for speaking out against this
all these years ago, before it had dawned on the

(50:20):
rest of us.

Speaker 2 (50:22):
The problem was.

Speaker 4 (50:23):
Yeah, just want to say that AChR is not the
same as the United Nations Direct. That's only half of
the that's only fifty percent of the problem. That the
people at diver don't use the ECHR to get.

Speaker 3 (50:33):
In the country.

Speaker 4 (50:34):
They use the Refugee Convention to get into the country.
They only use the ECHR if there's asylum clind fails,
and they use the EHR to prevent being deported.

Speaker 2 (50:46):
That's right.

Speaker 4 (50:47):
So the Reform Party, they're only signed half the half
the solution.

Speaker 3 (50:51):
They need to say the other half as well.

Speaker 1 (50:54):
Very good point. They use the UN Refugee Convention to
get into the country and they use the East EHR
to prevent themselves being deported out of the country's two terrible,
terrible international agreements that need to be thrown in the bin.
So you've got a YouTube channel which is at YouTube

(51:15):
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got a x dot com forward slash nh P UK
official all one word, that's nhp UK official, that's your

(51:40):
X or Twitter account, and you have got a website
as well where people can check out all your policies,
which is all one word National Housing Party dot UK. Great,

(52:00):
thanks very much for your enlightening conversation. It has been
very good. Please do keep in touch and we'd love
to see you again sometime.

Speaker 3 (52:09):
Thanks for having me on. Christ Is King, thank.

Speaker 1 (52:11):
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Speaker 2 (52:51):
Good stuff.

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