Will Keir Starmer "Smash the Gangs"? Ep 134. 2 April 2025

Alistair McConnachie of pro-UK unionist campaign group and think tank, A Force For Good (AFFG), and viewers discuss:
- Welcome.
- The dangers of AI voice impressions.
- Rangers fans unfairly threatened with lifetime ban; how to help them.
- The State can weaponise football support into a form of political control.
- Keir Starmer's "Organised Immigration Summit", Monday 31-3-25.
- The Channel Crossers are, for the most part, self-determining individuals, making their own choices, and are not "exploited".
- The UN Refugee Convention presents an onerous legal burden upon us which compromises our national sovereignty and ability to control our borders.
- Vol 2 of A Big Book for the Union will deal with this immigration matter - Vol 1 link below.
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- Our country has been entrapped in "international laws" which are no longer fit-for-purpose.

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This is the 134th episode of "Good Evening Britain" broadcast on Wednesday 2nd April 2025.

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
Hello, and welcome to Good Evening Britain, a Force for
Goods weekly show coming to you live from our studios
here in the heart of the great British city of Glasgow,
with me your host, Alistair mcconachie. We are broadcasting on
all our digital platforms throughout the United Kingdom and across
the world. We're bringing you quality pro UK comment and

(00:25):
analysis every Wednesday from seven until eight pm on Facebook,
on YouTube, on x and on TikTok. Folks, please do
send us your greetings, Please do send us your comments.
Please do send us your questions and we'll do our

(00:46):
best to read them out and to answer them. On
this lovely April evening in our wonderful United Kingdom, we
have another packed show for you. It's going to be
a good one. We want to talk about the matter

(01:09):
of free speech in Scotland and the extent to which
Rangers Football Club may have overstepped the mark. Some of
you might know what that's about. We'll be speaking about
that and we'll be asking what can be done about
that to stand up for the right of the fans

(01:31):
to freedom of speech. We're also going to be looking
at here Starmer's immigration summit which he held in London
on Monday, and we're going to be asking what's come
from that, what was he saying there, and are his

(01:55):
suggestions good enough? And if they're not good enough, what
we do instead? And you know, here at a Force
for Good, we've always got a lot to say on
that particular matter and a lot of clear, concise, comprehensive

(02:15):
policy suggestions to deal with the very issues that mister
Starmer was concerned about on Monday. So we'll be getting
into that as well. We'll be reading out your comments.
Please do send them in. We love to hear from you.
We love to hear what your opinion is on all

(02:37):
of these matters and what your policy suggestions as well.
Might be good to see people coming in on TikTok.
Somebody says neo liberal. I wonder what that means these days?
What is a neo liberal? Who knows what's a liberal

(03:01):
these days? What's a new liberal? Indeed, is any good
actually served by these phrases? Neoliberal, neo conservative? What do
all these things actually mean at the end of the day.

(03:22):
But Jimmy, do tell us what you mean in your
view by that phrase, and to whom you are referring
Cure Starmer. Maybe that's the man that you're referring to
as the neoliberal. He is a bit of a He
is a bit of a a globalist, I suppose would

(03:45):
be the expression I would use. Somebody who his natural
tendency is to put the world before his country. And
there's so many people in parliament like that, so many

(04:06):
people who get elected to the British Parliament or even
to Hollywood, but it's clear they actually put the interests
of foreign nations and foreign peoples before themselves, especially if
those foreign peoples happen to be coming across the English
channel in a dinghy. They are put at number one

(04:29):
on the on the list for people like Maggie Chapman,
who will get to earlier, who might actually be the
new leader of the Greens. I don't know if you've noticed,
not that anybody really cares too much, but Patrick Harvey
is standing down as the co leader of the Greens
this summer and there's going to be an election for

(04:51):
a new co leader. Lorna Sliter is the other leader,
and so Patrick Harvey is going to give up the
role of co leader, which he's held since two thousand
and eight. A considerably long time. That guy has been
in Parliament messing up Scotland, messing up Scotland. He's still

(05:17):
going to be messing up Scotland. He's still going to
be in the Green Party, he's still going to be
standing in twenty twenty six, but he's not going to
be the leader. But that just means it would be somebody,
some other tachi twerp as they say, is going to
be the leader of the Greens. And I would put
my money if I were a betting man, on Maggie Chapman,
because she, of all the Greens, talks the most rubbish

(05:40):
and that is the qualifier for Leader of the Greens.
Somebody that can just talk mints, and not just mints,
but actually damaging stuff. If you can talk damaging stuff
on command, then you are in the good chance of

(06:01):
being the leader of the Scottish Green Party. So if
that's you, put your application in now, as they would say,
just like the Labor leader. Then says independence. Sam sparkling

(06:21):
Water says, are you from the south No, I well
south of Scotland, I suppose you could say, although I'm
actually from Ayrshire but grew up in the south of Scotland. Good,
let's say hello to one or two people who have
come in. Who was first in tonight? Derek says, good evening,

(06:43):
Alister and fellow Unionist. Lovely sunny weather, isn't it absolutely good?
Great news that Patrick Harvey is stepping down. Debbie says,
good evening from Cummingstown. What beautiful weather we've had today.
Auxanner says, evening from sunny Glasgow. Sunny Glasgow. It's not

(07:04):
often you get the chance to use those two words
in a sentence, other than when you're saying it's very
rarely sunny Glasgow. Babs evening to you, and hello to
Katherine and to Budgy. Katherine says that she watched Cure
Starmer the flipping everyone Harmer. He was disgraceful. Starmer is

(07:35):
indeed an internationalist. Stephen, you've got that one right now,
Budgy says, did you hear the recording of Starmer saying
something about Liverpool? Yes? And that is not actually a
real recording, I'm afraid to say. It's it's been doing
the rounds since last year and somebody just simply aied

(07:55):
his voice and that was exposed the end of last year.
It's been out for several months now, and that does
show the danger of AI, because people can weaponize people's accents,
you know, they just run it. They just load up

(08:17):
the video of somebody speaking into the AI software and
it will just reproduce that person very very similarly. And
so somebody did that with Starmer, and that's that really
should be illegal. It should be illegal, and it doesn't
bode well for politics when you can confuse people in

(08:43):
that way, and a lot of elderly people as well
get confused very easily. But things like photoshop and so on,
and some of this AI now is becoming so dangerous.
It's really politically explosive. Allowed to British legends and to

(09:09):
Anthony Hope you're doing well over there on the East coast.
Wonder how long Starmer has got, wonders Derek. I think
he's going to be in for the for the lifetime
of this parliament. I'm pretty sure that he will be. Now,

(09:31):
let's get talking about the first story that I wanted
to talk about tonight, which was a story that goes
back to a football match that was held Thursday, the
thirteenth of March. It was Rangers versus this foreign team
right cold. I'm going to say fenner Bach. I don't

(09:55):
know if that's how you pronounce it or not. Anyway,
there was a banner displayed by the Union Bears in
the Copeland road stand, and we've got a picture of
it here, and we'll just put up the picture so
that you can see what it was. I said, keep

(10:18):
woke foreign ideologies out, defend Europe. Now, that seems like
a fairly harmless banner. Banners are portrayed at football matches
all the time, at Rangers matches, at Celtic matches, at

(10:42):
other matches, and very often the fans of either teams
will have issues with the banners and won't like the banners,
and they might have good reason not to like the
banners as well. However, the banners are up there, and

(11:04):
lately the banners have had to conform, of course, with
all the carry on all the laws that we have
in this country against various things such as racial and
sectarian matters. And there's also UEFA as well, who are

(11:29):
able to two basically what's the word police, essentially police
these things. Now, I'm trying to find the Ranger statement.
I thought I had it ready to go there, but
I don't. So if you just bear with me, please,

(11:50):
will I find the statement that Rangers Football Club made
on this particular matter, and I'm not happy with it.
I wouldn't be happy if it was any football team
because I am not saying that I'm coming out on
one side of the other. Here we are a club statement.

(12:11):
Let me let me bring this up, Okay. Club statement
Rangers notes the outcome of the upha UEFA disciplinary case
and the respective sanctions imposed upon the club for several
issues at the recent match. Most notably, the club has
been served with a suspended closure of the Kopland stand

(12:34):
should there be any repeat of racist and or discriminatory
behavior within the next two years. Now, in what possible
way was that banner keep woke foreign ideologies out to
defend Europe? In what way was that discriminating against anybody?

(12:54):
And in what way was it being hurtful towards people
of a different race. It wasn't doing either of those things.
So that's what the board should have said. The board
should have said. The board should have stood with its
supporters and said, well, that's not a racist or discriminatory banner,

(13:18):
and we will contest your claim that it is but no,
the board has gone along with it, and they've gone
this punishment must serve as a severe and significant reminder
to the small minority of supporters who bring the name
of Rangers into disrepute. Any repeat of any discriminatory behavior

(13:42):
may result in the famed Rangers end of our home
being closed for a U wait for match. So they've
just bowed down to this. They bowed down to this,
and here they go again, doubling down. In response to
the display of the racist and or discriminatory banner at

(14:03):
the game, the club can confirm that it is in
the process of issuing lifetime bands to the individuals responsible. Now,
that is an absolute disgrace because that club knows that
the people in that particular end of the stadium are
Rangers mad, they love the game of football, and they're

(14:27):
all just young blokes as well, and so issuing a
lifetime ban to somebody who's probably eighteen years old is
almost cruelty and it's totally unacceptable behavior that they should
do something like that, especially for a banner that is

(14:52):
not discriminatory and is not racist. And if you don't
believe me, let's have a look at the b again.
Let's put it up again, What all did it say,
keep woke foreign ideologies out, defend Europe. Now that woke
foreign ideology could be referring to the American import known

(15:14):
as woke, so it's maybe talking about woke in that sense.
Defend Europe, well, defend Europe from those sorts of ideologies
which might hurt Europe. There's nothing there having a go
at people because of their race or religion or discriminating

(15:34):
against them. Ok So, absolutely totally absurd. Now there is hope. Okay,
there is hope because there is an organization in the
UK called the Free Speech Union, and I should just
say that we're not associated with the Free Speech Union,

(15:56):
and what we're about to say hasn't is is being
said without the knowledge of the Free Speech Union. But
we are going to recommend that if you are one
of these people, or if you know somebody who may
be facing severe sanctions such as a lifetime ban for

(16:16):
being involved with that banner, then please do put them
in touch with the Free Speech Union, because the Free
Speech Union has gone out on Twitter and it has
said that it will advise anybody who is in any
way being attacked in that manner. Okay, So let me

(16:43):
just see if I can bring up the Free Speech
Union's tweet on this matter. Today it's banners a tiebrox
that could lead to lifetime bans. Tomorrow it will be
another stadium, another group of fans guilty of wrongthink. If
you're a Rangers fan under investigation or know someone who is,

(17:05):
email the Free Speech Union at help at free Speechunion
dot org. Help at free Speechunion dot org. Okay, that's
the that's the there. It is their help at free

(17:27):
Speech Union dot org. If you know somebody or if
you are involved, that group will be able to advise you,
to advise you on what you can do, because you
have to win this one. You cannot be an eighteen
year old lad facing a lifetime ban from the stadium

(17:48):
of your favorite football club. That's totally unacceptable that this
is Scotland in twenty twenty five. That sort of attitude
has to go. And I looked at the board, right,
I looked at the pictures of the people who are
on the board, and these are just businessmen and what
they're responsible. They're responsible basically for trying to attack young

(18:13):
fellows whose main interest in life is football. No way, man,
no way, that's just not acceptable, not acceptable. So please
don't give in. Don't give in. You've got a right
within the law to have free speech. Nothing on that
banner was illegal, and you want to be able to

(18:38):
have somebody that can fight your case. And as far
as I can see, the Free Speech Union is offering
to fight your case. They've made they've made a couple
of posts now on x about this asking for people
who are involved to contact them. So please do consider that, folks.
Catherine says it's up to the people now in all
the cities, towns and villages to protect our own ground,

(19:01):
football or and country. Derek Cartz's free speech so much
for democracy in Britain. That's right if we believe. If
we believe in democracy, we do need to believe in
free speech, especially for people that we don't agree with.

(19:21):
And sometimes you find that with some of the free
speech people it's like it is free speech for me
and not for thee as it were. So you've got
to sometimes swallow your pride as it were, if that's
the right expression, and ensure that even if you don't
like a particular political point of view, you do stand
by people's right to say it. Because if they're coming

(19:46):
for somebody today. They could very welcome for you tomorrow.
And so let's be consistent with our belief in freedom
of speech and we try that as much as we
poss protably can hear at a force for good. Paul says,

(20:07):
it was forty three years ago today that the Argentines
attacked the Falklands? Was it today? There you go, some
of us remember that it's been a lot of water
under the bridge in Britain since then. Goodness me, Polsas.
Football has not been about ordinary fans for years. That's true.

(20:32):
And one thing is that football is also a method
of state control. You can see the way that the
state exercises control through the through not just major corporations
of any kind, but also especially sport and especially football,

(20:52):
because you've got lots of people in one stadium, all
concentrated on one thing that interested in and if you
can use that energy and turn it into a political
thing that you support, then you can get all of
these people either going along or having to go along

(21:13):
with your political agenda just so that they can watch
the game. Case in point, of course, was the BLM
carry on back in twenty twenty when they locked the
country down, they didn't let anybody into the football stadiums.
They got all the players to kneel for BLM. And

(21:33):
then when they allowed people to come back in, if
anybody didn't like the people kneeling for BLM and were booing,
then they would ostracize these people and make these people
look bad, so that everybody else just had to go
along with the program if they didn't want to get
ostracized or get banned from the stadium. And so, in

(21:58):
other words, they got all these life largely men, thousands
throughout the United Kingdom and stadiums throughout the United Kingdom
having to stand there watching multimillionaires taking the knee for
some obscure woke for an ideology and having to swallow

(22:21):
their pride in order just to watch the damn game.
Oh wow, the power of control that the state can
operate upon us is really quite remarkable. Noile here says
that the Rangers stadium capacity almost outnumbers Police Scotland's full

(22:45):
time officers by two to one. Interesting point. Now, let's
talk about cure Stammer, and let's talk about the British government,
and let's talk about its immigration. What did they call it?

(23:08):
They had a fancy word for it, Organized Immigration Crime Summit,
which was held in London on Monday, and one of
two things came out of that which we can't complain

(23:28):
about and which we're very pleased to see that Keir
Starmer is engaging with it, with the immigration invasion basically,
and he's engaging with it because he knows it's the
big issue now and so he's got to be seen
to be doing something about this. And so he gave

(23:51):
a speech and we'll just bring up his speech here,
the PM's remarks at the Organized Immigration they're just calling
it the Organized Immigration Summit, Okay. I've also seen it

(24:13):
advertised as the Organized Immigration Crime Summit. Be that as
it may, be, that as it may. Here are his
remarks and we'll just fly down them here. When he
talks about here, illegal immigration is a massive driver of

(24:35):
global insecurity. It undermines our ability to control who comes here,
and that makes people angry. That's the kind of weird,
sort of convoluted way of putting things, really, but it
certainly makes people angry. It makes him angry, frankly, because
it is unfair on ordinary working people who pay the
price from the cost of hotels to our public services

(24:55):
struggling under the strain. Now, that is really quite remarkable
that he would say that, Really quite remarkable that he
would say that. And if we move further down the
page here, he always has to throw this in, it's
unfair on the illegal migrants themselves. Well, that's questionable, actually,

(25:19):
because these are vulnerable people being ruthlessly exploited by vile gangs. Well,
time out for a minute. Actually, the illegal migrants have agency. Okay,
these people are sovereign individuals. They have chosen this for
themselves for the most part. Unless they're being trafficked against

(25:46):
their will, which most of them are not, then they
are not vulnerable people being ruthlessly exploited. They are people
with agency choosing to make the journey to the United
Kingdom for the benefits that will accrue when they are

(26:06):
in the United Kingdom. Okay, So he's framed that wrongly,
and I know why he's done that because he doesn't
want to appear as if he is hostile two immigrants,
these immigrants, lest he be accused of being racist. So

(26:26):
he's he's he's framing them as vulnerable and exploited when
in fact, most of them are not vulnerable people, and
they're not being exploited. They are choosing to do this
on their own free will. And when we start to
understand it in that sense, then we can get closer

(26:48):
to the proper answers. Because if you're not properly identifying
what the people are themselves, then you're not going to
be able to deal with them appropriately. If you really
do think that they're all vulnerable people, if you really
do think that they're all ruthlessly exploited, then I'm afraid

(27:09):
you're going to come up with policy solutions that will
not stop the flow. You have to see these people
as people with agency, as sovereign, self determining individuals doing
something because they want to do it. Only then will
you start to get to the proper solution, which I'll
come up within a moment. Blah blah blah. He goes

(27:30):
on and on and on here, and he is I'm
trying to find some solutions that he was coming up with.
Apparently he's been able to convince the French to be
able to respond to small boats in shallow waters. He's

(27:56):
using state of the art surveillance technology in Germany. He says,
if you can believe it wasn't technically illegal to facilitate
people smuggling to a country outside the EU like the
United Kingdom, but now it will be. Well, there's something
to be grateful for. They're arresting people on suspicion of

(28:19):
supplying hundreds of small boat parts to people smugglers. Well,
isn't that something. I mean, that's like the very bare
minimum that you would do, because you can easily find
out who's doing those sorts of things. And they're working
with authorities in Albania and Vietnam on campaigns to deter
those who are thinking about making that perilous journey, by

(28:40):
which he means here, doing a lot of advertising on
social media in Vietnam to advise people not to make
the journey here. And he does make a good point here.
He says there is nothing progressive about allowing working age
people to come here illegally instead of supporting them to

(29:01):
build their own economies and secure a better life for
their own countries and build a safer, more prosperous world. Well, absolutely,
that's certainly true, and that's the economic angle that you
definitely need to be pushing. And he wants to come
up with patic pragmatic solutions that work, fixing what's wrong,
as he says it, and he does emphasize here that

(29:26):
the Tories were sleeping on the job. He doesn't use
those words, but he does point out that there was
very little done under the Tories. He's got one hundred
and fifty million, which is pennies actually, that they're going
to invest over the next two years into border Force,

(29:47):
and he's going to make it possible for the police
to seize the phones and devices of the migrants arriving
on our shores in order to gather intelligence about the smugglers. Well,
if that has not already been part of the law, goodness,
that's ridiculous. Of course, that's just a bare minimum goodness me.
The police can the police can take you aside and

(30:07):
take your phones off you. If you come into any
part of Gatwick or he Throw or any airport and
the police don't like your face for some reason, they
can ask for your phone and if you don't give
your phone over you'll be in big trouble. So, I mean,
why they haven't been doing that with the migrants is
an important question. And they haven't been doing it because

(30:30):
they haven't been paying attention because they haven't really had
the heart to do anything. And I'm talking not just
about labor. I'm talking about the Tories for all those years,
for all those years in which they did nothing. And
he really doesn't say much more other than he's concerned
about it and he is going to do stuff about it.

(30:57):
He says, we've taken down eighteen thousand social media account
which have been promoting small boat traffic. And I like
this though. It is good that they're announcing a new
regime whereby they will treat people smugglers like terrorists, freezing
their assets and banning their travel. Again, these are bare

(31:19):
minimum things that you should be doing. But here's the thing.
And what else, as you say anything importantly, no yends
we will smash the gangs that undermine our security and
deliver fairness for the working people we serve. Well, that's
all very well, but here is the nub of the matter,

(31:40):
and we all know here is talking about the channel crossings. Now,
the channel crossing. The people crossing the channel are doing so,
and I know a lot of people don't want to
hear this, but they're doing so legally because under the
UN Refugee Convention, they do have the legal right to
claim a side even if they've come from France. Case

(32:04):
law will be argued to say that they do have
the legal right even if they come from France, to
claim asylum. So he's facing a situation where he's looking
at all these people coming over who are actually just
exercising the legal right that Britain's membership of the UN

(32:26):
Refugee Convention confers upon them. And for those smugglers who
are not, or rather the people who are organizing the boats,
for those of them who are not actually engaged in
anything deliberately exploitative, they can simply just say, look, I
just gave that dingy to that person to help him
cross the channel so that he could claim his legal

(32:48):
right to asylum, which is his legal right under British
law so long as Britain remains within the UN Refugee Convention.
And so Britain is stuck with all of these tens
of thousands of people whom we have allowed into our
country perfectly legally. Now we are under the UN Refugee Convention,

(33:14):
we have two options. When they arrive at Dover, we
can the only thing we we are legally obliged to do,
is that under the convention we cannot send them back

(33:36):
to the country in which they claim they are unsafe.
We cannot send them back to that country without an
investigation which proves otherwise. That's the demand, that's the legal

(33:56):
demand that we are under. We can not send them
back to the country from which they claim to be
unsafe unless we can prove otherwise. A crazy legal trap,
as it were, that we are in. So given that

(34:18):
is our legal obligation, we have two options. We can
listen to their claim for asylum, we can investigate it
and we can turn them down. They have a right
to appeal and we can turn them down again, and

(34:38):
when we've done that, we can then send them back
to that country, and that's a process which can take years.
Or The other option that we have is we can
say we're not admitting your claim at all, We're not
even going tohere to it, and we have the right

(35:02):
to do that, even if they are genuinely refugees. We
have the right just to say no, your claim is inadmissible,
and that's what the government, the Tories, wanted to do. However,
if we do that, we still cannot send them back
to the country that they claimed to be unsafe in. Again,

(35:25):
we can't do that unless we take them through the
process and unless we find them to be unfounded. Unless
we find their claim to be unfounded. So we either
have to we either have to analyze it all and

(35:45):
prove that they're not at risk, or we say we're
not listening to it at all. But if we do that,
we can't send them back. We still can't send them back.
So that's where this concept of a safe third country
comes in. That's the idea of sending them to the Balkans,
sending them to Rwanda, sending them somewhere other than the

(36:08):
country that they claim to be unsafe in. And that's
a terrible trap that we are in. It's a terrible
trap that we are in. And the only way out
of it is to leave the UN Refugee Convention so
that we are no longer subject to that legal trap.

(36:31):
And so we can say, well, we're we're not accepting
your claims for asylum. You have to go back, and
we are going to deport you one way or the other.
That's the only way we can do it is to
come out of the UN Refugee Convention so we are
no longer subject to this onerous legal trap that we're in.

(36:56):
And when we do that, when we come out of it,
we'll be free to say to every no, we're not
we're not admitting your claim. We don't want to hear it.
You need to go back, and we will deport you
back if necessary. That's the only way we can we
can stop this. And if people insist on continuing to

(37:17):
come over, we can just say you're going to prison.
And when we do that, which we'll be free to
do when we leave the UN Refugee Convention, then it
is going to stop. At least massive numbers are going
to stop coming. But as long as we're in the

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UN Refugee Convention and we have to go through all
these convoluted processes, either years of investigation for each case
or trying to find a safe third country to send
people too, we're going to be completely overlook did with

(38:00):
the world's with all the people from the rest of
the world who just want to come in. And I
am thinking about all of this because I'm writing this.
I'm writing this down now. We did write an article
where we explained this, it's called criminalizing the cross ours.

(38:23):
Why we need to leave the UN Refugee Convention. It's
going to be one of the chapters in our book.
You'll find the link in the Facebook and YouTube and
Twitter threads. But that's really what has to happen, and
that's what we need to be hearing from Keir Starmer,

(38:44):
is that we're leaving the UN Refugee Convention and we're
setting up our own legal system which is going to
be far less onerous, which is not going to swamp
us with these legal burdens that the UN Refugee Convention
is swamping us with at the moment, terrible onerous legal burdens.

(39:08):
I think that's the phrase. The UN Refugee Convention is
a terrible onerous burden upon us that really does totally
compromise our state sovereignty. It totally undermines our ability to

(39:28):
have any kind of proper border control, and we see
the consequences of that every day now if you live
in the big cities, and so it is going to
come to the point where that is going to be
the solution. Just like we left the European Union, we're
going to have to leave the UN Refugee Convention and

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we're going to have to set up our own system.
Which is far less onerous, and that will be the
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It's got a great title. I'm keeping the title a
secret at the moment until we've got the funding in
order for us to go straight to print because I
don't want anybody to nick the title in the interim.
But as you know us, if we're good at one thing,
it's clear, concise, comprehensive prose. Talking of which, there was

(41:20):
a very good article that I've discovered last night on
on Twitter by John mappin now John Mappin is the
manager of Camelot Castle, which is a hotel outside the
village of Tintago in Cornwall, and we've got a week

(41:42):
video here of him. Now, what he did was he
was approached by the government to rent his castle to
the government for them to put so called asylum seekers
in and he refused because he thought it would be
very bad for the local economy. So it's just a

(42:03):
minute video, let's play that just now. You refused a
request from the Home Office to house migrants. What did
they offer you and why did you turn it down?

Speaker 2 (42:13):
Well, it was a considerable amount of money, Beverly, it
was probably double what we would normally make on a
good year because they offered full occupancy on a rolling
contract for a year. So how does that work?

Speaker 1 (42:25):
Somebody literally just picks up the phone to you, or
do they send you a letter?

Speaker 2 (42:29):
They send us a letter first, And to be honest
with you, I thought it was a joke. And because
it's the amount of money they were offering, I just
couldn't believe that the government wanted to put you know,
illegal migrants up in four poster beds at Camelock Castle.
I mean, it was absolutely remarkable. We would have destroyed
the village because one of the things they said is
to lay off all the staff and all but two.

(42:52):
Because they do meals, the meals on wheels, you clean
the rooms once a week. You're probably a big employing
the village. Well, it made employing the village and locally.
And of course those jobs in a village like Tintagil,
they wouldn't be replaced. So but also they would have
stacked the place up with about three hundred people, and

(43:15):
you know, you then have those people wandering around the village.
I don't know whether they intended to contain them or
whether they would be allowed out and about I know
in other areas. Certainly hotels in Nuki have had some
serious problems because there were a few hotels that did
take the migrants there.

Speaker 1 (43:31):
Very good, Well, congratulations to him. He must have been
in a position where he didn't need to take the
government's money and they were going to book it out
for the entire year, probably on a rule and contract,

(43:53):
and they wanted to make all his employees redundant, and
he said no. And he was also of course concerned
for the safety of the local village as well. And
I just wish we had more business people like him

(44:13):
who would take such a principled stand. And last night
I noticed this article which he has which is published
on Twitter, Camelock Castle stand a beacon of hope for
preserving Britain's historic hotels and countryside And that's a John

(44:37):
mappin x account which is at John Mappin j O
h N M A PPI N for those listening on
the audio podcast, and it summarizes his point here. This decision,
rooted in concerns over potential damage to the hotel and
the local economy, has since sparked a broader conversation across

(45:01):
the nation. Mappen's refusal has ignited a wave of positivity,
inspiring communities, hoteliers and preservationists to rally around the protection
of Britain's historic hotels and the countrysides they inhabit. This
movement represents a growing resistance to what many perceive as

(45:24):
cultural destruction driven by short term government policies that overlook
the long term value of heritage and rural vitality. He
speaks about the symbolism of his castle, which is steeped
in the law of King Arthur, and how it's inspired,

(45:45):
and he's hoping, I think here that it's going to
inspire others to follow. Mappin's refusal has emboldened advocates for
rural preservation, who argue that protecting historic hotels is inseparable
from safeguarding the countryside, a bit like preserving protecting farms

(46:05):
as well a counter to cultural destruction Camelot's Camelot Castle's
stand has reframed this narrative, offering a vision of resilience
and renewal, encouraging a re examination of how Britain balances
its humanitarian obligations with its duty to preserve its heritage.

(46:27):
What's his conclusion here, Camelot's Castle's refusal of the government's
migrant money has transcended its immediate context and can become
a catalyst for a nationwide movement. By standing firm, John
Mappin has ignited a wave of positivity that has rallied
Britain around the preservation of its historic hotels and the

(46:48):
countryside they grace. This is not merely a rejection of
one policy, but a broader affirmation of heritage, community and
the enduring value of play. This is Shakespeare.

Speaker 2 (47:03):
This is.

Speaker 1 (47:05):
As this movement gains momentum. It offers hope that Britain
can navigate its modern challenges without sacrificing the cultural treasures
that define it a legacy worth defending one castle at
a time. And there he is, and that's that's some
that's some hotel. Well, good for him, good for John Mapping.

(47:28):
And let's hope that it is a catalyst, as he says,
a catalyst for standing up for the country. And that's
what we can all do in our own way is
stand up for these things. Now, says we are all
John Mapping, Now, that's great, that's great. He should have

(47:51):
put that in his article. That should have been the
we the we strap line at the bottom of the article.
There they mister trick. Paul Hadler says, Rick Whiteman has
played gigs at Tintago. I'm not surprised. Wow. No, Ill
says it's just booked to stay at Camelot Castle. That's

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much for that. Let's look at some comments here. Derek says,
can't wait for volume two. We can't wait either. It's
really good. But do you know what, Derek, Once we
got into this, the degree in which our country has
been entrapped in these international obligations is just astonishing, and

(52:08):
the UN Refugee Convention really does take the biscuit. I mean,
it was set up just after World War Two, when
there was large movements of European people, and I don't
know really what the people who were setting it up
were thinking, but I can't imagine they thought that it

(52:29):
would be so easy for the rest of the world
to get to the richer parts of the world, and
or maybe they did. Maybe they did, if you want
to go down the conspiratorial angle. But if we're just
presuming that there isn't and if we're just presuming that
all these clever minds didn't bother to think about the consequences,

(52:49):
and maybe they didn't, because it was, after all, in
nineteen fifty one. It was really before before jet engine
travel became became cheap enough for everybody in the world.
It was before all the Middle East crisis had kicked off,
which continues to be a huge driver of immigration as well,

(53:15):
but that's another matter entirely. But before all of these
things had happened, and nobody was thinking about about twenty
twenty five. But it's really no longer fit for purpose,
and it has to go and getting rid of it
is going to be a battle because there are so

(53:37):
many entrenched interests, legal interests, NGOs and charities, and they're
all funded by guess who, You and I through our
taxpayers money, so we pay, we pay for our own destruction.
It is really remarkable, but people are beginning to wake up.

(53:58):
We're doing what we can. Everybody that's watchings doing what
they can, and even cure Starmer is beginning to make
the right noises, probably against his better judgment, but he's
beginning to make the right noises and he's certainly annoying
all the right people. And that's an important thing when
you see who's annoyed about what kre Stammer's saying. And
as we've said, he's not saying that much, but the NGOs,

(54:24):
the MPs, the MSPs, they're all flabbergasted. They're all flabbergasted
at what he's saying, and they're shocked that he's so
right wing and racist. Maggie Chapman called called his conference
out as well. Starmer asylums seeker comments branded racist by

(54:49):
guess who. Maggie Chapman, who is probably going to be
the next co leader of the Green Party. Complete nonsense,
But this is what we're up against, folks. Hopefully we
can begin to change things in twenty twenty six as well,
if we can get some sensible people into Hollywood and

(55:10):
into the Senate. These politicians make me sick as Catherine.
There you go, Nios is utterly fantastic show tonight, Thank you, Bud,
He says. The people who rule the world plan in centuries,
will where will we be one hundred years from now?
That is so true. It's like most people, most normal people,

(55:32):
they just live day today. But there are very rich
people who have the ability just to sit about and
think up devilment, and they definitely do plan in centuries.
And what we see is the workings out of things
that have been going on and on for years and years.
And for example, the one thing actually not going to

(55:52):
get into because we're kind to finish but Iran, Right
if we're wanting to bomb Iran all of this century,
and they think that with Trump they've got the chance
to do it now. But this has been a plan
that's twenty five thirty years in operation and it's coming slowly,
God willing. That won't work out, but that's what they

(56:15):
want to do. Anyway. But now let's hope that never happens. Folks,
it's been a blast, it's been a good show tonight.
I want to thank everybody who has been commenting, and
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