All Pets Go To Heaven w/ Pet Medium Rob Gutro

We know our loved ones live on after they pass on from this mortal coil, but how about your furry loved ones? Where does my kittycat go after she passes on? Will I see my four legged, 2 finned, or brightly feathered loved one again on the other side of the veil?

Short answer: Yes.
Long answer: this episode of the Greyhorn Pagans Podcast.

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Speaker 2 (00:25):
Char char.

Speaker 1 (00:31):
You can come home now, you said, I'm Chary.

Speaker 3 (00:35):
You gave your life come home?

Speaker 2 (00:39):
What about Anne?

Speaker 3 (00:40):
Marie? Oh Charlie, it's me.

Speaker 2 (01:11):
How you feeling, kid?

Speaker 3 (01:13):
Okay? How are you?

Speaker 2 (01:17):
I come to say goodbye? Where are you going? Sound
a little trip? That was the squeaker. I want you
to do something for me, all right. I want you
to take care of it. You, you know, just while
I'm calling. You got a home now and he doesn't
have anybody. Don't worry, Charlie. I will.

Speaker 1 (01:39):
Well goodbye, no buddy, Oh Charlie, I'll miss you. Yeah,
I'll miss you too, Squeaker.

Speaker 2 (01:54):
Now you go to sleep, Charlie. Will I ever see
you again?

Speaker 1 (02:00):
Sure?

Speaker 2 (02:01):
Sure? You wonk.

Speaker 3 (02:03):
You know?

Speaker 1 (02:04):
Goodbye is on forever?

Speaker 2 (02:06):
Then? Goodbye, Charlie. I love you. Yes.

Speaker 1 (02:12):
Here we are back again on the Gray Horns Pagans Podcast. Welcome, Welcome, everyone, Oh.

Speaker 2 (02:21):
My goodness, is there anything else? I was actually all
set half an hour before the show, and I had
everything hooked up and everything was fine, and then and
then it wasn't lo and behold, yeah, then it wasn't.
So I was. I was listening to some of your
previous podcasts too before, so oh, well, thank you. Yes,

(02:45):
I have a good, good feel for your show and
so forth. And you've had some very interesting guests.

Speaker 1 (02:50):
On Yes, yes I have. I've done I've been doing
this for I want to say, like four years now,
four years on the podcast, and I have had the
fortune to meet some interesting people, some a little more
quirky than others, but yeah, all very interesting nonetheless. And

(03:14):
so yeah, you know, being well another one of those
interesting guests. And for those who may not be familiar
familiar with you and what you do, just yes, introduce yourself.

Speaker 2 (03:29):
What do you do, what are you about?

Speaker 1 (03:31):
And what's up with your background? All the animals?

Speaker 2 (03:35):
Sure, well these are the background is actually the covers
of my book. So I have twelve books. I just
published my twelve book. So I'm a medium. It called
myself a pet medium because I like to deal with
pets more than people. But I do deal with people.
I'm also an author of twelve books and they're all
true paranormal and they're sharing my experiences. So in my

(03:57):
daytime job, I'm a meteorologist some scientists, so I use
science to explain how the paranormal works. I also made
the distinction between earth bound entities which I call ghosts,
and those who have crossed over, which I call spirits,
and then I explained how they work in terms of

(04:18):
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Speaker 1 (05:32):
Oh wow, that is very very diverse, very versatile. That's
that's awesome. And I absolutely agree with you that, you know,
if that you like to deal with pets more than
with people, I do. I do agree, you know, at
least animals are are honest. I have two cats myself,

(05:56):
and you know they'll make it very much known when
they like or dislike something. So a pet medium that
is a I mean I am familiar with mediums. My
wife is a medium herself, but a pet medium. How
did you? How did you get to that? Why pets?

Speaker 2 (06:21):
So my first experience goes all the way back to
when I was a teenager. I was I was thirteen
years old and totally unknowing about disability until my late
grandfather appeared to me and he scared me in full
color when nobody else was home. So right then I
knew something was weird. And I had a really good
relationship with my mom and dad. With my parents and

(06:42):
I told them, and my mother said, we have to talk.
Because she had that ability, she was free to use.
It turned out her father, the grandfather that appeared to
me also had the ability. So it runs on my
mother's side of the family, and I said, okay. I

(07:03):
shelved that for a long time. Then it came around
to two thousand and five when I had a puppy,
and the puppy the dog that's directly above my head here.
His name is Buzz. He is a wine runner. He
was given to me as a birthday gift in October
two thousand and four, and in two thousand and five,

(07:25):
when I was walking in his leash opened, ran across
the street, was killed by a car at seven months old,
and he reawakened my abilities. He sent me musical signs,
he sent me physical signs, he sent me audible signs,
a lot of things which I wrote down and then
eventually that became basis of my first book.

Speaker 1 (07:47):
Wow that is that's so sad. That's seven months old thing.

Speaker 2 (07:51):
Yeah, you know. So as a medium, I've learned that
some animals or people are only air a short time
because they have a certain mission in life. It was
Buzz's mission to teach me how pets communicate from the afterlife,
so that I could in turn teach other people what
signs to look for and bring them healing when they
lose a pet, whether tragically or out of old age.

Speaker 1 (08:17):
Yeah, okay, I've I have heard similar stories like that.
A lot of mediums will or the more spiritually gifted
people will will say that. So I guess Oviia's next question,
how do pets communicate with us? Because I know my
cats they just you know, they they meow at me,
they complain whenever I'm you know, not doing something or

(08:40):
not getting something that that they want like it? Do
they like still speak to you in their animal language
so to so to speak? Or how does that? How
does that work? How does that go?

Speaker 2 (08:55):
Yeah, that's a good question. There's a number of ways
that pets will communicate from the other side to their patents.
So if you have a cat that passed, your cat
who passed would do similar things to what they did
when they were alive. So, for instance, if they like
to sleep at the top of your head on your
pillow at night, on occasion when your cat visits in spirit,
you may feel like someone or a cat or something

(09:19):
is brushing your hair on your pillow. You may feel
them walk across the bed the end of the bed
and there's no one there. You may hear them, yeah,
from what sounds like another room or something very faint,
or maybe even outside. And that's because it takes a
lot of energy for a pet to communicate and make
an audible noise. There's tactile signs. They can touch you,

(09:42):
and you may feel cold, which I can explain scientifically
because meteorologists. You may feel a slight pressure, you might
feel a tingling like especially when you're laying in bed.
Pets that past have this affinity for coming up on
the bed when we're sleeping or trying to sleep and

(10:04):
trying to cuddle up with us to let us know.
So there's just a few ways.

Speaker 1 (10:09):
Okay, so more the nonverbal. Yeah, that makes sense. It
would take a lot to actually make make a physical
silence if you don't have a physical body anymore.

Speaker 2 (10:25):
Yeah, so it requires a lot of energy. So one
thing I've learned staying is that when we pass away,
when our physical bodies die, we have energy that is
within us. If you think of cells splitting and thoughts
as little electrical impulses, that energy has to go somewhere
because of a law we have in thermodynamics called the
law of conservation of energy. Says that energy can't be destroyed,

(10:47):
only transformed. So I've learned that it couples with our memories,
our knowledge of this life, and our personality, and we
choose right then to stay earthbound as what I call
a ghost, which is a very bad idea, or be
crossover into the light, Heaven, Valhalla, Paradise, whatever what I
call a spirit. Ghosts are stuck where they decide to stay.

(11:08):
They cannot communicate with anybody unless a medium walks in
or somebody sensitive. They also can't leave the place that
they decided to haunt for some reason. Spirits who've crossed over,
like our grandparents, great grandparents, whatever, They can come to
us anywhere, anytime, any place in the world. And I've
had signs from my parents who have both passed when

(11:30):
we were on vacation in Italy, and my dog Buzz,
who passed when we were on vacation in Puerto Rico.
They will do things like lead you to someone that
looks like them. They will bring you to a sign
with their name on it, as my mother did. When
I was in Germany and I was talking about my
Italian mother to my husband and I said, you know,

(11:51):
I feel my parents are with us on this trip.
And he says, well, did she give you a sign?
And I said, no, but I'm keeping my eyes out.
We were on a bus and we were going from
a ship cruise ship into a town. We drove by
a supermarket and it was named the supermarket was called Norma.
Norma was my mother's first name. What are the chances
of seeing an Italian woman's name on a store in Germany?

Speaker 1 (12:17):
I would say those chances are pretty slim. That is
a that's a hell of a coincidence. If that's just
you know, if it's just that, yeah, you, No, chances
are very very slim. So I would say that is
definitely your mother pointing you towards something or guiding you

(12:37):
towards something or someone herself.

Speaker 2 (12:40):
Just to yeah, just to let us know that she's
on the on the vacation with us, and yeah. So
the main rule that I've learned from spirit is that
there's no such thing as a coincidence when it comes
to signs from people or pets. On the other side,
they make it happen. They make us be at the
right time, at the right place, at the right moment.
And another example of that is when people look up

(13:01):
and see rainbows. I just received an email from a
gentleman that lost his dogs and he said that it
was a sunny day with just a few clouds around,
and right after his dog passed, there was a rainbow
and he couldn't explain it, but he thought, that is
a sign for my dog, that that she's okay. And

(13:23):
that's what it was.

Speaker 1 (13:25):
She literally crossed the rainbow bridge.

Speaker 2 (13:27):
Yeah, that's beautiful, actually it is. And what's interesting too,
as a meteorologist rainbows. First of all, you have to
be in the right you have to be looking at
it at the right angle. Secondly, rainbows don't last very long.
They're not They're not up there very long. And you know,
clouds move. As clouds move, clouds change, so there's a

(13:50):
lot of factors. So timing, looking at the right place
at the right time, these are all things that spirit
do to influence us. So we can see signs from the.

Speaker 1 (13:59):
I ever, I never would have thought of that. I mean,
I I know that there is no such thing as coincidence.
Of course, uh in you know, in in my faith,
we call it the the web of weird. You know,
we are all connected to each other in you know,

(14:20):
some way, and I've I've heard my wife say that,
you know all like it's a it's a sign from
this one or sign from from that one. Most oftentimes
my my brother, my late brother. We unfortunately lost him
a a few years ago, his own mind, you know,

(14:44):
got the got the better of him. Uh, you know,
through my wife, I know that he is, he is
still there, and I know that As an example, it
was I believe either last last summer last spring, I
actually saw someone on on the bus and at a

(15:09):
like at a first glance, I was like, yea, what
dow you know, like a at a first glance, it
was like that's is that my brother sitting there? And
know that that can't be because he's not here with
us anymore. But I could have sworn it was it
was my brother. So you know, I of course told
my wife and you know, she said like, yeah, that

(15:31):
was him or at least you know him telling you like, hey,
you know I may be gone physically, I'm still here,
still thinking of all of you, still you know, still
love all of you. So yeah, I definitely had those
had those signs, but I had no idea that it
was like guided even that much.

Speaker 2 (15:54):
Yeah, sure, they will, well, they will influence us to
do things like uh. And I'll give you another example.
I mentioned that my puppy, Buzz, the wine Moreuner passed
went in two thousand and five. In two thousand and nine,
we were taking a vacation in Puerto Rico. We had
never been to Puerto Rico. We had flown into Old

(16:14):
San Juan and we were walking around. We walked around
and we came to an intersection where there were five
streets with a fountain in the middle of them, and
we had to choose which way to go, and we
didn't have a map. He had no had two where ago.
So my husband said, which way do you want to go?
And you know, of course, I said, We've never been here.
I have no idea, and he said, well, think about it.

(16:35):
So I did, and I thought, I feel like we
have to go down the second street to the right,
and we did. We get to the end of the
street and there was a dog walk. The dog walker
had quite a few dogs and one of them was
a Wymeruner that looked just like my dog, Buzz. And
we walked over to that dog walker and I heard
Buzz in my head say, Dad, do you know what

(16:58):
today is. And I think for a minute, and it
was the anniversary of his passing. It was February twenty second,
two thousand and nine, five years four years after he passed. Wow.
So another thing I've learned is that spirits will give
us messages around birthdays, anniversaries, and holidays. Anniversaries in terms

(17:19):
of pets would be anniversary of adoption or anniversary of passing.

Speaker 1 (17:25):
Yeah, that makes sense. That makes a lot of sense
because those are important days.

Speaker 2 (17:32):
Yeah. And the reason that a pet would acknowledge those
things are those are the days that our emotional energy
is usually higher. Yeah. And as you know as a
cat dad, they they can read your emotional energy, so
they know when you're sick, they know when you're happy,
they know when you're mad at them, you know. And

(17:54):
they'll come to you when you're in a good way
or even if you're sick and you need help. And conversely,
if you're not in a good way, they will go
somewhere else. Right.

Speaker 1 (18:03):
Yeah, No, that is that is absolutely true. If I
you know, think of my well, my oldest cat, Timmy
a k A big red he's a he's a big sweetheart.
But yeah, he will he will do that whenever I'm
feeling whenever I'm feeling like a little little down, you know,

(18:27):
he'll come, come snuggle up to me. And especially at
night indeed, and when I go to bed, he likes
to lay on top of me or lay at the
at the foot end.

Speaker 2 (18:40):
And then so when he's not around anymore, he will
be doing that in.

Speaker 1 (18:46):
Spirit, I sure hope. So, I mean he is, he's
not going anywhere for a while. I mean he is
getting he is getting older. He is like ten years
old already, so he is turning into quite the grumpy
old man. I have to say, well, yeah, no, that's
that's awesome. And I remember a I was with an

(19:10):
ex girlfriend of mine. Actually she hadn't seen her dogs
in years because they stayed with her mother, and she
well basically had to escape that household because it was
it wasn't it wasn't healthy, it wasn't emotionally talk sealthy, yeah,
very very much. And she I believe it was also

(19:31):
like when we came back from like a week and
away to to Antwerp. I believe it was like we
came home, we stayed at my my parents' place for
the night and then you know, went back to our place,
and she got the message that one of her dogs passed,
like one of her favorites. And I believe the way

(19:52):
that he passed was that he hit his his head.
I believe quite hard. Unfortunately, and this is just from memory.
I don't I don't know if that was actually the case.
I wasn't well versed in it back then, but it
was that same evening we heard a big bottle upstairs,

(20:14):
like some thing or someone actually like ran into into
the bedpost or into into the door, you know, like
kind of confused, not knowing, not realizing where where they're going. Obviously,
with just like just hearing the news of her her
dog passing, she was like, wow, he's here. Actually. She

(20:36):
would also like always tell me stories about that. You know,
if if one of her dogs had passed that at night,
he would still indeed like come lay at the at
the foot of the bed with her. You know, she'd
feel she'd feel the pressure on the on the blankets.
But you know there was no well no physical dog,

(20:58):
let's say too to be seen.

Speaker 2 (21:02):
Yeah, and that's very common. One of the things I
mentioned earlier is that sometimes we will feel cold spots,
like coolness around, So as a meteorologist, I had to
think about how that would be possible. And what I've
learned is because ghosts and spirits are energy, they need energy,
so they will draw energy from the motion of air molecules.

(21:22):
Because air molecules are always moving in a house outside,
fast moving molecules of air warm air. Slower moving molecules
are colder air. So when they take the energy from
the motion of molecules, they slow them down and they
create cold spot where they are manifesting.

Speaker 1 (21:40):
That actually makes a lot of sense. I never Oh,
I never thought about it that way.

Speaker 2 (21:46):
I have a whole bunch of energy related Yeah, it
was about ghosts and spirits.

Speaker 1 (21:53):
Oh, that actually makes a lot of sense, like taking
the environmental energy creating a colt spot.

Speaker 2 (22:03):
So I've learned a lot about the different types of
energy that both earthbound ghosts require and spirits have crushed over.
They both draw on physical energies, and that's the similarity
between the two entities. They both draw on heat, light, water,
and electricity. Those things will fuel either one of them.
That's why a lot of haunted locations are near bodies

(22:25):
of water.

Speaker 1 (22:27):
Yeah, and especially if it's like running water, like a
jet or a brook even, yes, where there's or energy.

Speaker 2 (22:37):
Yeah. Now i live in Maine in the US, and
we're right off the Atlantic Ocean, so or right on
the Atlantic Ocean, so we have a lot of water energy.
There's a lot of wave energy, and almost every single
town up and down the entire coast is haunted, with
different coasts.

Speaker 1 (22:54):
I can imagine.

Speaker 2 (22:56):
Yeah. So, so those are physical energies that empower ghosts
and spirits. There's a difference between the two entities. And
I've come to realize this that emotions are also energy
when you think about it. So ghosts draw on negative
emotional energy, which are fear, anxiety, depression, and anger. Those

(23:18):
are negative emotions and ghosts feed off of that because
they're tied to Earth, they are negative emotional energy. So
those negative emotions empower them. So for instance, if you
go into a place that's haunted and you are feeling anxious,
you're empowering the ghost to get strong enough to communicate
with you. Spirits, on the other hand, love, faith, and
hope are the things that give them the energy to

(23:40):
communicate with you. So that's why they can communicate with
you anytime anywhere in the world because the love that
you have for them and they share with you is
always there.

Speaker 1 (23:49):
So h then that like also would fit with I
do like the most Hunter shows, like every now and then,
it's it's a it's a bit of a guilty pleasure.
I know, it's it's very very heavily disputed all of it,
but you know it's a it's it's fun every now

(24:11):
and then. And what you'll you'll hear a lot is
that if they they walk into a room, if they
walk into an open space, it's like there's a very
heavy energy here. And if it's indeed a ghost, you know,
the thing that they are looking for, you know, in
the name, Yeah, it would make sense that if it

(24:32):
is a negative energy, that it would be a very
very heavy energy. Especially you know, they always like to
go to places like the the old castles or abandoned hospitals,
abandoned salts or prisons, you know, where a lot of
a lot of things happened, you know, both both good
and bad. Often you know, more more bad.

Speaker 2 (24:56):
That's yeah. So I'm I've also thought about why I
communicate with a number of earth Bouk ghosts because they
go I've been on paranormal investigations for fifteen years and
trying to figure out why they're there and then help
them cross over. So I've learned a couple of things
about that too, which we're really eye opening. When we die,
we get a quick review of our life. For I

(25:17):
have found that people who are very devout into their religions,
whatever religion they are are, usually magnify their infractions to
the point where they don't think they're worthy of crossing over,
or if they crossover, they think they're going to a
bad place. Now, every spirit I've talked to said that
there isn't a bad place, it's just love and peace
on the other side, and that being stock earthbound as

(25:41):
a ghost with no one to speak to for eternity
is actually a hellish place.

Speaker 1 (25:48):
So it's like being everly hell on Earth.

Speaker 2 (25:51):
Hell on Earth, right, yeah, exactly. I mean, think about
a place you've been to that's haunted, and if you
or nobody can communicate with the ghost that's in there,
you can't find it what they want or to or
figure out a way to help them because you don't
know their story. Ghosts who choose to stay earthbound are

(26:11):
trapped without a way to communicate and they also can't
communicate with the spirits of their loved ones who have
crossed over.

Speaker 1 (26:20):
Oh there is even a barrier or a veil between
those two.

Speaker 2 (26:28):
Yeah. If you think of spirits as positive energy and
you think of ghosts as negative energy, it works the
same way as a magnet that they repel each other. Yeah,
they can't connect. Okay, So another little science inference there.
And you said that some will will choose to stay here.

(26:50):
But if it is, you know that bad, If it
is quite literally hell on earth and you're not able
to communicate with anything or any one, which I imagine
gets incredibly lonely, even as a ghostly form, why would
you choose that? Well, they choose it out of fear.

(27:10):
For the most part. That's why prisons are haunted. Prisons
are loaded with ghosts because when they die, they have
this awakening that they they're in prison because they did
something terrible. So their fear crossing over and going to
hell again. No spirit that I've ever talked to has
ever said there is a such thing as hell. So,

(27:33):
and you know, I think that I think that hell
was created to make people fall in line with whatever
somebody wanted them to fall in line with.

Speaker 1 (27:44):
Yeah, because I agree.

Speaker 2 (27:46):
Yeah, I mean, fear is a fear is a way
that you can get people to do what you want
them to do.

Speaker 1 (27:52):
It can be a powerful motivator.

Speaker 2 (27:54):
Yes, sadly, yeah, sadly, we know. But that's why they
don't cross over it, you know. Even so, hospitals also
not that they've not that they've done anything wrong, but
hospitals are also rife with ghosts because when people wake
up in a hospital, when people die in the hospital
and they awaken as energy with their memories, they can

(28:14):
be confused that they died in a hospital. They're not home.
Where are they? And what I've learned is that because
these entities of energy are like a battery, over time
that charge drops, that charge drops to a point where
they don't have enough energy to open the door to
the other side. And that's why as paranormal investigators, we

(28:37):
have to go in and we have to combine emotional
energies of four or five people to get strong enough
to open the doorway for that ghost to cross old.
So it's all about energy.

Speaker 1 (28:51):
Yeah, wow, okay, oh, that's actually making a a whole
lot of setus Like a lot of things are clicking
or a lot of puzzle pieces are coming.

Speaker 2 (29:05):
Together now makes yeah, excellent, Well I have you know,
I've been doing this for about fifteen years, and the
scientist part of me says, Okay, there has to be
a reason why these things are the way they are.
Why can't And it was only until it wasn't only
until last summer that I had the thought that the
entities of energy are just like a battery and they

(29:28):
linger so long that charge is going to drain away
and it's up to someone to help give them enough
energy to cross over. But that I've done a number
of crossings over too. Have you ever done any crossings over?

Speaker 1 (29:44):
No? No, I haven't. I know my wife has helped.
She has helped with her, with her grandfather, with her granddaddy.
He was in in the last part of his life.

Speaker 2 (29:58):
He was.

Speaker 1 (30:00):
He was very sick. He was in was in a
lot of pain, and my wife, not fully aware of
what she was, was capable. Yet she did help him
cross over, and she helped one of her one of
her pets, actually, she helped her crossover as well. Parts
medium parts of reiki as well, you know, taking the

(30:25):
taking the pain away so that they can peacefully cross over,
and she has, she has had very mixed feelings about
that for a for a very very long time.

Speaker 2 (30:37):
You know, it's it.

Speaker 1 (30:37):
Of course, on one hand, it's beautiful that she that
she was able to help to you know, at least
take the pain away or alleviate the pain so that
they were comfortable with crossing over. But at the same time,
there is that you very human part of her that
you know, like fear is the worst, Like what if
I didn't do that, would they still you know, be here?

(30:59):
Do you like, did I do something something wrong? She's
been very very anxious about that for a for a
long time.

Speaker 2 (31:08):
There's no need to be anxious about it. It's actually
the greatest gift you can give to anybody to help
them crossover. And it takes a lot of our energy too, physical, mental,
and emotional energy. And I find that too when I
do when I connect to a ghost, an earthbound ghost,
or when I do a reading for a PET. I
do PET readings on the weekends, and it takes a
lot of energy out of me, and usually after two

(31:29):
of them, I'm totally physically exhausted.

Speaker 1 (31:33):
Yeah, I recognize that with my wife as well. Sometimes
especially my brother will come through, and she will just
be absolutely exhausted afterwards. And it's it's not even a
you know, like very very long, she won't chattel him
very very long, or but it's it's a lot. I

(31:54):
recognize that. Yeah, And with ghosts energies functioning as a
batter on a charge, as you said, I wonder that
what happens if the charge runs out? What happens if
nobody is able to help them?

Speaker 2 (32:12):
That's a very good question. So I have thought about
that too. And when there's not enough energy, the energy
will just linger. Just like having a light bulb on
a dimmer switch, if you turn the dimmer switch all
the way down, you can only see basically the outline
of the light bulb at the very lowest power. When

(32:33):
you turn when you add energy, you turn up the
dimmer switch, you can see the filaments, so you can
see the whole light bulb, you can see the whole room.
So what I've come to understand is that ghosts are
basically have this minimum energy level and they just linger
there until energy comes to them, and that that gives
them enough strength to do something. Perhaps There's also the

(32:58):
other thing too, is that I've also realize that there's
no such thing as time for ghosts and spirits. Time
is a physical thing. Time is a physical thing in
the world, like three hundred and sixty five days or
one year here. One year on Saturn is twenty nine
earth years. So it depends on where you are as

(33:18):
a spirit or a ghost. You're not really in the
same dimensional. You know, you're not in the physical dimension.
So but that doesn't that doesn't mean that ghosts don't
know that time has passed, because they can see the
way people dress, they can see things change within the
structure from which they live, so they'll know that way

(33:41):
that time's passing.

Speaker 1 (33:43):
Okay, I mean, I yeah. I like to ponder on
the ideas of like the higher realms, and I've heard
it said many times, and I definitely do believe that
it's that is the case. If we're like talking like
high or lower dimensions. I'm not sure how that works
with the with the spirit that's like just a dimension
next to ours perhaps, But if you look at like

(34:05):
from the fourth dimension down today the third dimension, how
I have heard it described a lot, which makes a
lot of sense for me, is like one of those
old school film reels like if you look down on
the film reel, like you can see the whole timeline
at once basically, but it's when you're part of the film,
part of the third dimension, you can see that. And

(34:28):
but you know that would be like the second dimension
for us, you know, just flat. Yeah, so I guess
how how does that work in the spirit world?

Speaker 2 (34:37):
You said?

Speaker 1 (34:37):
You know, see they can see time passing in you know,
like people change, clothes change, building cities change. So does
that mean that they are still in a like a
dimension within our physical dimension or next to us. I'm
always I'm very curious about That's one of the things

(35:01):
that always still still bugs me.

Speaker 2 (35:04):
Yeah, I haven't. I haven't really explored the dimensional aspect
of it, to be honest with you. All I know
is that they they because they choose to stay earth bound,
they share that space with us until they cross over,
until they become a spirit. So so ghosts are kind

(35:26):
of a an anomaly. I mean, they're in kind of
a different dimension. But then then again, hmm, they can contact.
They can make contact with us physically, so so they
are here. They just it's just not that they're not
physically here, it's just energy with a conscious I know,

(35:49):
it's it's it's kind of weird. It's hard to really
conceive that, you know. And people ask me too that
when people cross over in spirit, what's it like on
the other side. Do people have jobs to people in houses? No? No,
they don't. Their energy, I would hope not. No, absolutely no.

Speaker 1 (36:05):
Imagine that's crossing over, but still haven't got to go
to work nine to five.

Speaker 2 (36:09):
Yeah, and what about those people who die in their workplace?
Wouldn't that be horrible? I mean, and then they haunt
their workplace? Talk about a bad place to haunt when you're.

Speaker 1 (36:20):
I mean, I guess it depends on how much you
liked or disliked your colleagues.

Speaker 2 (36:26):
Yeah, but your colleagues aren't going to be around long enough.
You know, it's ghosts, They're going to be gone, that's true.

Speaker 1 (36:33):
Darn Yeah.

Speaker 2 (36:36):
I would definitely, I definitely not haunt the place in
which I worked. No, that's a good idea.

Speaker 1 (36:43):
You know, even if time, as we know it is
not really a thing there, that would still be just
a waste of time or a waste of energy. I
guess then in that case, absolutely, you can do You
can do so much, so much better, so much more yeah,
just cross over where you can go anywhere you want.
You don't have to stay work for the rest of
your eternity. Oh well thanks, that's cool. So you mentioned

(37:09):
there is no from what you have heard with the
spirits that you have communicated with, there is no such
thing as hell good thing. I you know, I agree
with that. I've done plenty of research into that. Then
what is there in the the afterlife, if you will?
Is it something that we create for ourselves? Like you

(37:30):
you said that like religion or their beliefs also play
a large role. So you know, I am Germanic pagan,
Germanic ethen, I follow the old gods of Europe. We
have realms where you go to also depending on how
you die. Sure, So would it be the case if
I just like believe hard enough in that, if that's

(37:53):
you know, truly part of my my core, my essence,
that I manifest that in a way after my passing.
Or is there like some general realm?

Speaker 2 (38:06):
Well, from what I understand, there's it's really a general realm.
But there are different levels of the afterlife. I mean,
I've been told there were three. I think in the
Japanese culture there are seven. It all differs. And you know, honestly,
we won't know until we get there.

Speaker 1 (38:22):
So that's true.

Speaker 2 (38:23):
I don't know it's true. All I do know is
that so I learned that there are three levels because
from our personal experience when my aunt passed away, my
mother's sister back in the early nights, my mother and
my aunt had a love hate relationship, always had a
love hate relationship because my aunt used to frankly, my

(38:43):
aunt would steal my mother's clothes when my mother was
single and never give them back, and she would do
all the you know, other things and so forth. And
my mother's side of the family is Italian, and I
always told my mother, I said, I know Italians invented
the word vendetta, but you have to let it go.
I have to let it go. Yeah, okay, but they

(39:05):
you know they did they didn't because that was part
of their upbringing. They would hold onto things. So when
my aunt passed away, she wanted forgiveness from my mother.
And I know this is awful to say, but my
mother said, now for all of the transgressions that she
endured over decades and decades from my aunt. So me
having this quirky little gift and This was before it

(39:25):
really exploded. This was my only interim experience. Really. My
aunt appeared to me and begged me for forgiveness from
my mother so that she could go up to the
next level in the afterlife. My aunt appeared as a
shadow figure in my bedroom twenty almost twenty years or

(39:46):
fifteen years after she passed, and she scared the hell
out of me.

Speaker 1 (39:51):
I didn't imagine.

Speaker 2 (39:53):
So yeah, and she said, I need I need normous
forgiveness so that I and go to the next level
where I can be a piece more because I can't
forgive myself for the things that I've done. Well, Stane,
it it took me. It took me five years, No, twenty,

(40:17):
not five years. I'm sorry. It took me over twenty
years to get my mother's forgiveness. And because my aunt
kept coming to me, and I told, I said that
Italians have ended the word vendetta. So finally my aunt
kept coming back to me, and I finally still my mother, Look,
she's been gone a long time. She needs she needs

(40:38):
to have that piece. And my mother finally said, Okay,
if it's going to bring her peace, I forgive her.
So with that after she heard that, after she said that.
I got in the car and I turned on my
radio my CD player at the time, and the song
that was cued up was this happens to be a

(40:59):
song that reminded me my aunt. I had no idea
that it was next on the CD player, and I thought,
I just stopped for a minute. I said, okay, I said,
if you are okay and you have achieved the next
level on the Afterlife, please let me know. The CD
skipped three times, and I thought, okay, this CD is
never skipped. So I said, okay, give me another sign,

(41:23):
or give me that. Give me give me another sign
to make sure that that just wasn't a coir. That
CD skipped again about three times, and it never and
then it played through. So that was my aunt's way
of confirming that she was okay. And I will tell
you that every time I played that CD afterward, it
never skipped.

Speaker 1 (41:42):
Yes, oh wow, So it's not it's not the CD,
it's not the CD player because it would have wow.
So I mean, that's for all the nay sayers that
are pretty you know, that are still out there that
debunks that. You know, if it's just ones and never again,
that's that's not a coincidence, and especially if you you know,

(42:03):
if you asked for it, it's like you know once, yeah, okay,
you know, it's still technology. You know, we saw at
the at the beginning of the Yes recording how technology
can work against us. So you know, okay that that
might happen, but if you ask it for it a
second time, the same thing happens. Yeah, I mean that's yeah,

(42:27):
that's a sign. That's absolutely a sign.

Speaker 2 (42:29):
So three levels, okay, yeah, So that's that's why I learned.
I learned from my own but you know, there could
be more. I don't know, but this is just my
personal experience. And on a related note, Spirits also use
music to send us signs. So if you get in

(42:51):
your car, your vehicle, and you turn on the radio
and a song comes on that reminds you of somebody
that passed away, whether it's be person or pet, that
means that spirit influenced you to get in your vehicle
at that time and turn on the radio at that
very moment, so you would hear that song to know
that they're with you. Has that happened to.

Speaker 1 (43:12):
You, not as a sign, But I am a big
lover of music for sure, and there are definitely songs
and certain songs that I associate with with the people
I love.

Speaker 2 (43:30):
What about your brother? Has your brother? Is there a
song that reminds you of your brother that you've heard now?

Speaker 1 (43:36):
And then, well, our music tastes differ a whole lot. Actually,
he was I'm quite the quite the metal heads, you know,
the heavier the better, you know, gimme Graul's gruns and
all that. He always thought that was just noise and like,

(43:57):
can I just turn it down for once? He was
more the the indie pop, indie rock singer songwriter type
and yeah, so no no music really what I I mean?
I have done something the other way around some He

(44:20):
a brilliant writer, run scriptwriter, one of the best at
the the Film Academy in Amsterdam has has seen in
a long long time. His final project actually got got
picked up and turned into a series at least, you know,
a series on YouTube. Watched the full thing of course,

(44:43):
it's it's absolutely amazing. And I have written a book
myself too, probably not as good as your your books,
and only one instead of twelve, and I like kind
of based on my own story but set in a

(45:05):
semi fictionalized setting, and I have named one of the
cats of the main character. I named it after the
main character of my brother's movie as to to honor
him as well. I added like one more letter so
to to make it a different name, but still as
a as a tribute to my my brother because also

(45:30):
like at the time when they were when they were
shooting his his movie, I worked as a freelance cook
at the time and he asked me to do catering
for them. My name or the name that I went
by professionally at that time is actually in the end
credits as the caterer and what he has also done.

(45:54):
It's in in one episode he named a character after me.
Wow I at the time, I was a vernancec guy.
I went by chef Stein and he named a character,
a side character he named the chef Stein and that
character was a wheed farmer, of course, which I thought

(46:17):
was very funny. It was an idea of a friend
of his from school who also worked on the movie.
And I am still very honored that he did that,
and I love the fact even more that it was
my brother himself who played the character. He had no
lines or anything, was you know, on screening very very shortly,

(46:38):
but still plays quite a integral part in the plot
of that that episode. So you know that, and I
still love too too, reminisce about it. I still love
to think about that that you know in so many ways,
not just as brothers, but you know, even in our

(47:00):
personal projects that mean a lot to us. We are
still connected with each other. But music wise, no, not
not really. There is a My parents are still here, thankfully,
but there are definitely songs that I associate with my
mother and with my father. I have those songs also

(47:21):
said as a custom ring tone for them. Of course
for my mother because she she told me she played
that a lot when I was still in the womb.
Kiss Seal from our seal, Kissed from a Rose, my
mother played a lot, and my father from a from
a Dutch artist. That was a song that he heard

(47:43):
a lot when he was he was younger and in
the hospital for quite a time when he had some
issues when he was like just a few months old.
So rams a Cheffy with Sammy or Sammy and it
became one of his his favorite songs because also one
of the kids that was on the well in the

(48:03):
like the in the room with him at the hospital
was called Sammy and they became you know, over time
that they the time that they spend together in the hospital,
they became you know, good friends. And so that's that's
the song that I will always associate with my father
and a song that I will always associate with my mother.
And I still quote my late grandmother. Yeah. She always

(48:25):
told me, if you want to better the world, start
by making a better you start with yourself.

Speaker 2 (48:32):
And great advice.

Speaker 1 (48:34):
Yes, yes it is. And I took that advice, and yeah,
life has gotten a lot a lot better. So I
will I will still quote her whenever whenever. And I
guess the thing that I miss most about her is
Grandma's cooking because she just always made sure that was

(48:56):
too much.

Speaker 2 (48:57):
Yeah. Wow, Well that's a great way to honor her
about is to just live by her her message.

Speaker 1 (49:03):
So yeah, I mean it wasn't until a uh, a
few years ago or well a few years ago while
ago that that I really, you know, began to see
the the value in that, because you know, as a
as a teenager, you know, rebellious senior Church, it's like, yeah, whatever, Grandma.

(49:27):
And then you you go through life, you go through
some some things that's that shape you, that sharpened you,
that's create character, and then you're like cool. She was right.

Speaker 2 (49:41):
It's interesting about where we find people that will change
our lives. It's so it's so awesome to hear that
your grandmother was pivotal and giving you that mindset. I
wasn't close to any of my grandparents. One of them
had passed, well, two of them had passed before I
was even born, and the others weren't. I weren't wasn't
close to them. But early on though, So when I
was a teenager, I was kind of a quiet teenager

(50:02):
and I needed some inspiration. And you may you may laugh,
but the person I found the inspiration from was Dolly Parton,
Dolly Parking because of her, she was optimistic, she was happy,
she loved everybody. She taught me how to appreciate simple
things in life. And even when I was struggling financially,
I was still happy. I was still happy with anything.

(50:25):
I was appreciative of, a good cup of coffee, beautiful sunrise,
a phone call from a friend. That's all WE'SOK, you know,
And and that's exactly what spirits on the other side
want us to do. Is that every time I've spoken
to a spirit on the other side, they say, appreciate

(50:46):
the simple things. That's the big lesson. And once you
start doing that, as you said, your life got so
much better. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (50:54):
Dolly Parton, Okay, yeah, it's she's not a She's not
a bad example, you know she is. Uh.

Speaker 2 (51:01):
I think, if ever, if everybody could be like Dolly Parton,
this war will be an awesome place love. Everybody agree
except everybody. Yeah, yeah, sadly the world is not like that.

Speaker 1 (51:15):
But no, but hey we can we can still strive
for it, you know. The there is that ripple effects.
Of course. That's also why my my grandmother of course, said,
you know, start with with yourself, because if you're happy,
people around you see that you're happy, which makes them happy.

Speaker 2 (51:36):
I want to jump back to Pets for a minute,
because it's cat Dad. I know we're covering a lot,
but I've covered a lot. So one thing I forgot
to mention the upfront is that I have three series
of books. One is called Pets and the Afterlife, And
in those books, I teach people how their pets are
giving them signs so that they don't need to pay
a medium. Really they can read about they can learn

(51:58):
it themselves and pay tension. The second series of books
is called Ghosts Versus Spirits, so their paranel investigations versus
Spirits that I've communicated with. The third one is Ghosts
on a Medium's Vacation. Whenever I go on vacation, I'm
sure your wife experiences this. Dead people like to talk
to you. It's kind of it is. But so I

(52:19):
went to Ireland and I went to England, and those
are the topics of two of my three books in
that series. And I learned history by talking to dead
people at the time that I later verified when I
went home. It was fascinating.

Speaker 1 (52:36):
That's an interesting way to learn the history of the
lands by it is I mean, I guess it's you know,
as close as a as a source as you can get.
You know, the people that actually lived through it, that
are actually you know, that actually live there, are there,
just not actually there.

Speaker 2 (52:57):
Physically there, right, yeah. Yeah. So whenever I go anywhere,
whether it be an investigation or vacation or whatever, I
always keep a journal with me and I write everything
down and then I verify it later and I sketch
ghosts out by the way, So in my books, people
will see ghosts that I've sketched out. And every time
I go on a paranormal investigation and I do that,

(53:18):
I've been happy. Well, I'm happy to say that the
people in the home will always say that is the
ghost that they saw. So I've been you know, one
hundred percent so far. And one of the sketches in
one of my books, Case Spiles and Inspired ghost Tracking,
we had a technical team to win first and took
infrared images and they caught one of this ghost. Then

(53:39):
I went in with another medium and I sketched this
ghost out. After I was done, the tech team days
later emailed me picture side by side. They look alike. Yeah,
so it's pretty cool. But getting back to Petsford just

(53:59):
a minute. Being a cat dad, you need to know
that your cat is listening to every single thing you say,
and they will remember every single thing you say. There
was there was a cat that I did a reading
for and I love this story so I say it often,
but I never get tired of repeating it. There was

(54:20):
a woman named Ingrid who had written me for a
reading about her cat named Buddy. But he gave me
all kinds of information, but he gave me a word
that I've never heard before, and the word was mala.
Never heard of that word. I know Spanish, and Spanish
mala is bad, but that wasn't it anyway. So I
wrote it. I do all my readings by email, and
I sent it to her and I said, I have

(54:42):
no idea what this word means, but he said it
over and over again, so it mustn't mean something. So
she wrote me back and she said, I enjoyed the reading.
I understood everything, and the word mala stood out because
two people, or only two living things know what that
word means to me. And she said me and Buddy.

(55:04):
She said, every morning when she wakes up, she opens
her door, bedroom door, Buddy comes in to her bedroom.
She sits down with Buddy, she does a meditation called
the Mala meditation. Wow, okay, And so that was crazy.
Dogs do the same thing. There was a dog who

(55:24):
came through to me that gave me the number five
twelve to his dad, who was a black Labrador retriever,
and the dad said, no idea what that means. He
wrote me back eight months later and said, I'm the
guy that you said. My black lab said five twelve.
I think I finally figured it out. He said, I
want to tell you that I am a doctor. I

(55:46):
was in my office this week. Patient came in. He
was having he was suffering from a collapse lung. I
wrote the medical code down. It was five twelve. My
dog passed from collapse lungs.

Speaker 1 (56:04):
Wow.

Speaker 2 (56:04):
Five twelves. Wow. So even.

Speaker 1 (56:09):
They even remembered that or like new new that. Oh
that is that is special.

Speaker 2 (56:16):
And they get help from human spirits too for things.
I mean, you know, especially when it comes to numbers.
They can send repeating numbers too. They're called angel numbers.
So have you seen repeating numbers since your brother.

Speaker 1 (56:29):
I will often see the the same patterns. Yeah, yeah,
I've I've had that a lot actually, and like, come
to think of it, it's the fifteen. Seems to be
a very prevalent number within within our family. Yeah, fifteen.

Speaker 2 (56:59):
Like his birthday on the well, it's the fifteenth of October,
my four fifteen right now PM my time, Yeah, of
course it.

Speaker 1 (57:08):
Is my Yeah, my daughter's birthdays on the fifteenth of April,
my son's birthdays on the fifteenth of May. It was
at fifteen years old that I got my first long
term girlfriend, so I'll still see that, see that a lot.

(57:29):
And yeah, by by happenstance just now as well.

Speaker 2 (57:35):
Yeah, not a coincidence. So that's your brother, this particular
instance is your brother that made you talk about fifteen
because it's fifteen on the clock.

Speaker 1 (57:47):
Yeah, and because his birthday is October fifteenth, and I
just remembered, like, wow, fifteen, Like we have a lot
of things with fifteen.

Speaker 2 (57:59):
Fast, Okay. So interestingly enough, I wrote a book called
Kindred Spirits about a spirit named Ed whose birthday is
also October fifteenth. Eh Ood. He is my husband's late
partner who I've never met. He died long before I
met my husband, and he has been with us since

(58:20):
the first day we met, and he has given us signs.
He uses pennies with the date nineteen ninety six on it,
the year he passed. I have truckload of pennies with
nineteen ninety six on it whenever he's around. He sent
us a look alike when we were lost in England

(58:40):
in a forested area at sunset, and this one guy
came out of nowhere, got out of his He was
a Royal mail delivery driver. He got out of his
truck flagged him down, and I thought I was just
going to pass out because he looked exactly like Ed's picture.
Had Ed lived to be in his fifties. Wow. Yeah,

(59:03):
And my husband thought the same thing. He said, did
you see that guy? He said, Yeah, he looks exactly
like Ed would have looked. Tad he lived to be
in his fifties. He also helped me solve the mystery
behind his own death. So all of that is in
that book. Wow, okay, yeah, so that's kind of crazy.
But he's proven that he's with our dog in spirit,
and he's done that using So I'm trying to tie

(59:25):
all this in here between the numbers, between the numbers
and the pets and spirits. So he uses coins so
dated nineteen ninety six, the year he passed. Every time
one of our dogs have passed within a couple of days,
we have found a coin dated nineteen ninety six. So
that's Ed's way of saying our dog is with him.
And Ed always wanted a dog when he was alive.

(59:46):
So I've been told now he has four of our
dogs in spirit. Wow, we have four in spirit?

Speaker 1 (59:54):
So he was was he born on the fifteenth Offtober
Did he passed on the fifteenth of October.

Speaker 2 (59:59):
No, he was born on October fifteenth.

Speaker 1 (01:00:02):
Then wow, because my brother's birth year is actually nineteen
ninety five, so wow, very close. Yeah, he's in the
I guess that's that's one thing he has on me.
He's in the Club of twenty seven with all the
the great names that are in that that club as well.

(01:00:23):
So kind of kind of jealous about that. I got
to say, you know, he gets to gets to hang
out with I, just like Kurt Kabaine for example. You know,
the whole Club of twenty seventh thing.

Speaker 2 (01:00:37):
Yeah, yeah, interesting, well there is there's definitely, you know,
no such thing as a coincidence when it comes to numbers,
when it comes to finding coins with a certain year
on them. It is interesting though, that he shares the
same birthday of a special spirit that has been around
me for now twenty years, and it's always around me.

(01:00:59):
We Actually he just showed up again today.

Speaker 1 (01:01:02):
Of course he is.

Speaker 2 (01:01:04):
Yeah, in the form of a pickup truck that he
used to drive, same pickup track, same color, same model,
same year from nineteen ninety two. What are the chances
of seeing.

Speaker 1 (01:01:16):
That nineteen ninety two, which is my year of birth.

Speaker 2 (01:01:22):
Okay, all right, I'm not going to tell you mine.

Speaker 1 (01:01:28):
You I want to say nineteen ninety. You can't be
that much older than I am.

Speaker 2 (01:01:34):
Yeah, it's bad lighting in here, but thank you.

Speaker 1 (01:01:39):
Of course, no I pick up drug that. Actually that
reminds me of something like my wife's son, her Gooberg
as she calls him. He is sensitive to these things
as well, so she'll sometimes ask him like, hey, can
you can you help mommy find something? And there was

(01:01:59):
the one day last summer. I believe when when I
go outside, my my cats will follow me, like wherever
wherever I go, they follow me. Uh, Timmy, the older
one red cats, he he knows where to go, He'll
find his way. My other cat, the well, the baby Selene,

(01:02:20):
she you know, is still kind of struggling. I you know,
came home from just just doing groceries, just every day things,
and it was getting you know, getting a little late,
and I was like, well, you know, I really speak
of the red devil.

Speaker 2 (01:02:32):
There's a tailor right there. Yeah, big boy, Yeah heard
you calling?

Speaker 1 (01:02:40):
Yeah shackered, Yeah, I agree, I'm sorry. Had to introduce you.
You know how that goes wants a treat. I think
he's a fatty yes, no, but I I had no
idea where, you know, where Timmy or Selene was. I
I knew where I kind of left them, and they

(01:03:04):
they usually they never go for you know, they have
like their own little territory, the own like parts of
of the of the neighborhoods where they will just hang around.
And I know those spots. By now I couldn't find
them note of the usual spots, and especially with with Timmy,

(01:03:24):
like that was the most special one. And ties in
to the pickup truck. Here in the Netherlands, not a
whole lot of pickup trucks, you know, it's our country
is just two small. Our roads aren't aren't built for
that like they are in the in the States. But
you know, my wife's son, he swore like up and

(01:03:47):
down that Timmy was somewhere near a red pickup truck,
like a red truck. And I was like, yeah, I
mean sure, but like there really aren't any trucks here.
But proving me wrong because lo and behold, when I
looked at one of the the parking spaces, like just

(01:04:10):
down the road where Timmy was was a red Ford
raptor nowhere a truck, and he saw Selene near a
body of water, and one of the shops that I
went to, and the one that Selene walked with me
was near a body of water, and she was still there,

(01:04:32):
kind of you know, scared and confused, like don't I
don't see my dad, I don't know where I am.
So two out of two and even as specific as
a red truck here in the Netherlands, in the flowerable region,
even like I don't even live in like a larger city.

(01:04:54):
It's in the smaller town. So chances are incredibly slim
that one actually drives around here. But talk me to
no doubt him if he says that he's there and
that I'm going to look for it.

Speaker 2 (01:05:10):
Yeah wow. And it was just incredible.

Speaker 1 (01:05:12):
Yeah. It was that detail, you know, this sophicity of
it that I was like, wow, Okay.

Speaker 2 (01:05:21):
So I would guess he would be psychic because he
can connect to the energies of the living and the past,
the present, future. And to me, I'm only a medium,
which means I can only talk to people and pets
who passed. So I always say that psychics have a
different gift. They have a greater gift because they can
connect to the living and what's happening and what has

(01:05:44):
happened and what will happen. And by the way, if
I cannot communicate with living pets, that is an animal communicator. Okay,
I also cannot communicate with wild animals because wild animals
do not know our language, they don't know our habits,
they don't live with us, so they don't have a
way to have a way to recognize what we do

(01:06:05):
and what we say and how we behave and we
don't have that with them either. Because people will always
ask me, can you connect with a lion in a zoo? No,
I can't know.

Speaker 1 (01:06:14):
No, that's something else entirely.

Speaker 2 (01:06:16):
Yeah, so that's been interesting. People also ask me to
a couple of more things about pets that they ask
me if their pets always will usually cross over, and
the answer is yes. I found that ninety nine point
five percent of all pets will cross over because they

(01:06:37):
always know a good thing, you know, they know just
like they know when we're in a good mood. Well,
they'll come over to us when they pass, when their
physical bodies pass and they become energy and that light
to the other side opens. It's all good. It feels
good and peaceful and calm, so they'll go to it. Plus,
our loved ones in spirit are waiting there to welcome them,

(01:06:59):
so you don't have any fear about our pets being
left behind. Only people are really stubborn and goofy enough
to stay behind. As an earth aut ghost, yeah yeah,
yeah wow. And if you ever have to make the
decision to help your pet crossover out of pain, they
want you to know that they understand it, and that

(01:07:26):
when they give you signs like they stop interacting with you,
stop playing with you, when they distance themselves from you, yeah,
that's a sign that they're ready to go. We had
a dog, a docs named Franklin, who was very interactive,
very personable with us. And when he was sixteen and

(01:07:47):
a half and he had a spinal issue, a disc
that was slipping which was taking away his mobility, couldn't
walk on his back legs. He when we took him
into a room, We carried him into a room with us.
We knew it was near at the end of his time.
He found the strength to get up with his front
legs and drag himself out of the room to another room. Purposely.

(01:08:08):
He did not want to be with us because he
was telling us it was his time. So they will
show you that and you know, whether it's not eating,
not eating treats and so forth. And they always thank
their parents from the other side for having the courage.
And what that means is that you learn their lesson,
which is unconditional love. Yes, why they're here. Yeah, So

(01:08:31):
don't feel guilty when you have to help your pet
pass out of pain. They appreciate that you found that
courage to do that.

Speaker 1 (01:08:40):
I've had to do that once, only once. Luckily that
was a a pet rat of mine. Actually, that was
one of the pets that I had with a an
ex girlfriend of mine. Rats are very sensitive to the
cancer growths, big big problem among the rats, especially the

(01:09:01):
more I like the tamed ones, and I like that
was that was my first experience of like losing a
losing a pet. I never really had pets. It wasn't
not until I was with that that ex girlfriend that
we got got pets. And you know, you think like, oh,
it's just you know, it's a it's a pet rat.

(01:09:23):
You know, they're not not the most playful ones. Usually
they don't grow very old, you know, two three years maybe, Well,
I think like it's also the the circumstance surrounding it.
Because that ex girlfriend of mine, she left very well

(01:09:43):
shortly before all of that happened. So when I had
to go to the vats and you know, like ask
him like, hey, can you can you do something? And
all the vat could say is like, nah, no, it's
that's all we can do is you know, have her
be a piece. So that was really the like the

(01:10:05):
end of a whole chapter for me. Like everything that
I had with that ex girlfriend was you know, like
Renick caught off at at that pad rat. Yeah, so
that was Yeah, that was that was pretty hard.

Speaker 2 (01:10:21):
It's traumatic really so for people who lose pets that
they've had for even quite a while, like dogs and cats.
We raised them like we raise human children really, because
we teach them language, We teach them routine, take them
to the doctor, take them to school, teach them things,
teach them to go to the bathroom, teach them to
play well with others, and so we raised them the
same way. And when they pass, it's emotionally devastating to us.

(01:10:46):
So it's okay to feel great because I mean when
my dog Dolly passed, she's a Wimer on her She's
on the cover of one of my pets in the
Afterlife three book. I didn't want to talk to anybody
for two, like two three weeks. I didn't want to
talk to anybody. And you know, and people say, well,
you're a pet medium. I said, it doesn't matter. I
was in deep grief. You know, don't you're you're still

(01:11:07):
You're still a human. It doesn't.

Speaker 1 (01:11:09):
It doesn't make the emotions any any different. I mean, yeah,
you know that, you know they are at peace and
all of that, but you know, conscious thoughts and emotions
those are two very different layers.

Speaker 2 (01:11:24):
Yeah, absolutely, And you know, frankly, people would often grieve
more deeply for their pets than they would for people,
because pets are our responsibility. They are our responsibility, and
when they pass, even though we know they have short lives,
it feels like we fail them. And we should not
feel that way because they have short lives. I can't

(01:11:45):
tell you how many people I have talked to have
who have said they've actually been suicidal after their pet past,
which is extremely sad. And if people are feeling that
much grief, then they need to talk to a grief
counselor because I'm not a I'm not a grief counselor.
I'm a pet medium, and they need to know that
the love of their pet lasts forever, and your pet

(01:12:08):
will always give you signs. We mentioned earlier numbers, repeating
numbers are something that people will what spirits will give.
Since Dolly passed away on October twenty twenty, I've seen
repeating numbers every single day, every day, and I know
they're from her every day, So keep an eye out
for those. There's all kinds of signs and spirits let

(01:12:29):
us know that they're okay, and they're around and they'll
guide us and that love just connects us forever until
we get to the other side where they're all waiting. Yeah, yeah,
I just wanted to throw that out all out there.
I forget.

Speaker 1 (01:12:46):
That's that's that's beautiful and yeah, in the end we
will all be reconnected again on the other side of
the fail. It's just some will be waiting for us
a little longer than than Uys. Wow, this has been.

(01:13:09):
This has been amazing. This has been This has been beautiful. Actually,
I I never knew that there was there was so
much to it. I've spoken to mediums before, of course,
but never a pet medium and yeah, you know me
being a cat dad, I mean to me, of course
had to make himself known. He always does that.

Speaker 2 (01:13:31):
Yeah, and I don't. I don't think I've ever met
another medium who's a scientist, because that's helped a lot.

Speaker 1 (01:13:37):
Yeah, I was, Yeah, because often you'll find people that
they that say that like science and beliefs or gifts
like mediumship are diametrically a medically posed to each other.
Like it's either science, which you know, is all about
the physical and understanding the physical and understanding how the

(01:13:59):
world works and all things of the world in the world,
and then there is the spiritual the other side, on
the side of the veil, the passing over what you know,
what stays behind, what goes on. So I think it's
it's awesome that like through science you actually understand it

(01:14:20):
it all better and the way you have explain it
all it makes a whole lot of sense actually, both
spiritually and scientifically. And I definitely feel like we shouldn't
keep those two apart there. They are complementary to each other,
as you have proven in this almost hour and a
half now.

Speaker 2 (01:14:38):
I think, But yeah, I think so. I so my
my goal is to explain the paranormal with science and
make it normal so that everybody understands it.

Speaker 1 (01:14:50):
From paranormal to normal. Okay, there's a title in that
I'll have to have to ponder on it. It would
be fun to to speak with your wife too, with
her experiences some of the time. Yeah, no, I just
that bad timing, chores and and all of that. But yeah,

(01:15:10):
she she has stories to tell and she always loves it,
loves it when when another medium is on, and those
are those are easy shows for me too because I
can just you know, sit back and be more more
kind of like the producer and and and everything just
you know, like throw throw up the ball every now
and then, and I know that you know, she takes

(01:15:32):
it and runs with it. So those are easy shows
for me and just and a lot of fun for her.
So yeah, I will. And I'm sure when I when
I show her this, when I tell her all of this,
I mean, she's already kind of bummed out that she
had to had to miss it. So all of the
more reason to do this again sometime with my wife

(01:15:53):
actually present.

Speaker 2 (01:15:55):
That'd be wonderful. Well, thank you so much. I mean
this has been such a pleasure to talk with you
and can across the Atlantic. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I'm sure.

Speaker 1 (01:16:04):
It's uh, it's been great. I've learned a lot actually
in a lot of puzzle pieces fell into place, and
a lot more to ponderon as well. And thank you
makes me appreciate my cats even more as well. Awesome,
even though they are hate the as sometimes but it's

(01:16:24):
all love.

Speaker 2 (01:16:25):
It's all love. Love. Love is not always easy. It
can be painful too, yes, yes, absolutely so.

Speaker 1 (01:16:33):
Yeah, where where can where can the good people find
your books? Find your work? How can they? How can
they contact you as a medium?

Speaker 2 (01:16:40):
So all my all my books are available on Amazon,
Amazon EU, Amazon dot Com, Amazon Canada, whatever Amazon platform
you're on, they should be there. Myrip website is Rob
Gutro dot com. It's my last name, or if you
can't spell my last name, just think put in pet
spirits dot com goes to the same Okay, yeah, mix

(01:17:01):
it easier and I'm all over social media, so you
can just find me anywhere. And again, this has been
such a pleasure and I'm looking forward to to chatting
with you again.

Speaker 1 (01:17:12):
Yeah, for sure, for sure. Well, thank you very much
for coming on thank you for this wonderful conversation. It's
a good way to end the weekends. It being Sunday
and all, it's also a very good day to talk
about things like like this. I will, of course make
sure that the links to your website and your books

(01:17:35):
are in the description box down below. First time having
a pet medium on the show. I never even knew
it was a thing, but a the more you know,
the more you learn. So yeah, thank you everyone for watching.
Thank you everyone for listening. I hope you had fun
as well. Hope you learn as much as I did,

(01:17:56):
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