Kabbalah and the Tree of Life w/ Mat Moura

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We must welcome and welcome all. Welcome back to the
gray Oorn Pagans Podcast at a reasonable hours actually hopefully
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all things. Setting up lambs. My guest for today is
mister Matt Mura. Welcome, welcome, Thank you for for joining,
and thank you for for coming on so quick. Actually

(02:17):
we we set this up rather rather quick. I got
recommended that I, you know, up and kind of you know,
have a chat with you by you know, a mutual
friend of ours, jin Jin the Ninja shout out to him,
shut out jincomey born one and only. And yeah, I
I watched some of your stuff, watch some of your

(02:38):
stuff on on Instagram, watch some of it on on YouTube,
of course. Yeah, it's it's interesting what you what you do,
and I don't think I've seen anyone else do it
in the manner that you do, like you very much.

Speaker 4 (02:55):
Simplify it.

Speaker 3 (02:58):
So for everyone who is not from me earlier with
you yet, introduce yourself, man like, who are you?

Speaker 1 (03:03):
What do you do?

Speaker 3 (03:04):
What's what's your secret?

Speaker 4 (03:05):
For sure? So first of all, thank you for calling.
That was real nice. It's the first podcast I'm appearing
talking about these type of things. So it's very interesting.
Oh really yeah sure, and thanks for Gin as well
for making the bridge. So I am Met Moron. That's
how you can find me on Twitter, Instagram, YouTube and
any other like TikTok whatever other platforms. I'm mainly on

(03:27):
Twitter though, And well you can say I started studying
these kind of topics and practices early because well I'm
from Brazil, and in Brazil, I think because of the
mixture of people, it ended up being also a good
place for spiritual things to come up. Like people are
just interested in it because there was especially a lot

(03:49):
of mixture between African culture, then the Native ones, and
then some other branches of like Christianism and Swan and
they all created this syncretism that makes it so it's popular.
Like every family at least heard of some stuff or
has some stories and so on. And specifically in my family,
people used to practice Spiritism, something that actually was born

(04:13):
in France from Kardec, but it got more popular, like
it's much more popular in Latin America, I think some
places in the US, and it is like a rebranded
Christianism is Christianism with reincarnation basically exceptly so yeah, it
makes it so there's a lot of experience, right. So

(04:33):
I would hear stories about people going to the place
where they do the practices and gearing getting information from
the let's say ancestors or from the guides or something
like this, and that would at the beginning make me curious.
Right well through life, I was serious, but I was
also skeptic, and it took me a couple of years

(04:54):
to really started to undy said, Okay, I gotta not
stop coming skeptic, but it's just I gotta understand. Okay,
there are some situations here that happened that I cannot explain,
and I want to explain them, like I want to
understand what's going on. And that led me to learning
a bunch of different things. The one that I more
recently started really going and doing a deep dive on

(05:16):
is the Kabbala. Now, the Kabbala that I study and
I was initiated on is not the Jewish one. It's
not the Hermetic one, the Egyptian, the whatever other name
you want to give it. The name the lineage gives
is the primordial or the transcendental Kabbala, So meaning basically,
there is like a protose synthesis. There is like a

(05:38):
one truth, a one system that built all the other systems,
and that's what the idea is. Like you're trying to
achieve that. You're trying to get into that obviously, like
to put it here, already, no one in an human
form can get that totality. But it's we can make
our best efforts to get clubs to every let's say

(05:59):
nation or every culture will have a fraction of that truth,
and you can by making bridges between them, get the
most out of it. So as we will see hearing
a bit I cantrow, you can make a lot of
parallels between let's say the Nordics and the Chinese and
the Egyptians and the people in like Missle America and
so on, like you can see the correlations. You just

(06:21):
needed some kind of blueprint so you could name things.
And that iod print in the Kabala is the tree
of life. It's how you place things and understand up.
So this would be more or less like here, and
this will be more or less here, just so you
can get some anchoring so you can explain. And like you,
like you said at the beginning, I think that's my goal.

(06:42):
It's something I like to do because I worked as
a teacher before. Is I want to like try to
simplify things because I would like people to simplify the
things they teach as well. Right when I'm studying some stuff,
sometimes it's like what the hell is you guys talking about?
So when I tried to teach, I tried to make
it as simp as possible, also because it helps me learn,

(07:02):
like because I have to like them, and now I
have to create I don't know some kind of analogy
for it, So I'd say that's it for now. My
main let's say, learning topic, my main practice topic is
the Kabala, which then from that you can derive other
systems like herod astrology, like many other things. But the
Kabala is like the basic.

Speaker 3 (07:23):
Yeah, no, that seems to be the case for many well,
let's say, mystery schools, mystery religions, it's all the or
a lot about the kabbala or you know, the main
main blueprints of things that there are links between just
so many religions and schools of thoughts. It is more

(07:43):
of a universalist approach, of course, although I do acknowledge that.

Speaker 4 (07:52):
A lot of.

Speaker 3 (07:54):
Well, schools of thoughts at least like I don't want
to necessarily say religions, but like most a lot of
miss three schools, a lot of schools of thought seem
to at least like take from the from the same sources,
you know.

Speaker 5 (08:10):
Like the.

Speaker 3 (08:11):
Greatest example, of course, is that like about every culture
in the entire world has some form of a flood
myth or a flood story. You know, everyone knows about giants,
whether you like, whether it's the the ice giants of

(08:33):
Scandinavia or you know, it's just like regular giants that
the Native Americans spoke about, or you know, like the
giants of the Bible. We all all know them, we
all have our stories about them, which is something that
I keep bringing back on the podcast as well. So

(08:54):
there must be something like one singular source somewhere that
we all pull from, because I mean, I'm sure that
some some groups came to those stories and those ideas individually.

Speaker 4 (09:11):
There's a lot of mixed sure as well, like people
living together. Yeah, the story is going from somewhere to
somewhere else. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (09:18):
Now, of course, of course, you know, with the the
migration over just thousands, hundreds, thousands of years, you know
a lot of stories get told, retold, mixed. It's you know,
it's how especially in European paganism, you get so many
of the I don't want to say same, but like
similar gods. You know, I'm leaning more towards the young

(09:43):
in school of thinking, like they're the similar archetypes. Like
they're the same archetypes, just manifested differently to like fit
the land, fit the people, it's fit the culture, you know,
like what what works in Poland, for example, doesn't necessarily
work in the Netherlands. But since you know it is

(10:04):
both Europe and semi close to each other, there is
a lot of overlap, of course.

Speaker 4 (10:10):
And you have a simple example, like you can get
the purgatory or the the nation realms from a place
that is hot, and it's usually gonna be hotter, right,
so we go to the desert schools of thought, and
if you go to let's say, some kind of Hell,
it's going to be like fire everywhere in swe But
imagine you had that same concept on the Nordics, Like

(10:32):
I guess they would make cues because there because everything
is already iced, so the issue for them would be
going to a place even colder. It's also for example,
when you get someone like Posaidon, which became a Neptune
for the Romance. You can see how they both kind
of talk about water and swan. But for the Greek,

(10:53):
because they didn't have good imbrications and boats, Posadon was
a god to be feared and a god that you
need to talk to before you make the traveling because
he could like fuck you over. But for the Romans,
since they already were good with the seas, they basically
use the sea to conquer everything. Neptune was a god
that was like giving them blessings, so it was like
a cool guy. So it's very A very interesting thing

(11:16):
knows is that it also depends on how they acknowledge
the word. And to me, that's one way to explain kabala,
Like if you want to get the word and explain
it is the technology of the soul. So if we
understand the soul and it's technology, then we can understand
everything else, Like we can navigate this this word. Now

(11:39):
we can come up to a meaning, right, like what
let's say, would you think the soul is? And there's
no right or wrong, just I want to hear you
explaination of it. I I don't know.

Speaker 3 (11:51):
I'd say, ye, your soul is your your most vital essence,
like your soul is who you truly are, you know,
like the physical body is a way for your soul
to learn here on this earth. But I'd say that
your soul is like you, well like you, like you,

(12:14):
you like interestrist purism, and different from the energy body.

Speaker 4 (12:21):
Though yeah, we can get we can get it to
the specifics. But I think you're very nice in the description,
like the vital that the you. Right, if you go
to the to the name, let's say in Latin or
Italians one, you have anima, that which animates, which gives life.
So if you listen to an Ai music, some people

(12:42):
would say, oh, but that doesn't have soul, Like the
soul is music, meaning doesn't have life. It's like something
we'll just put together. That's it. And the way that
I understand the soul is that it is your imagination.
It is the one sending the symbols, so like the user,
let's say, sending the symbols like you said to then
drive the body, drive the mind to do things. So

(13:05):
if you can control your imagination, which is just images
in action, it's writing the name image in action, you
can control everything else if you send the correct symbols.
It's kind of like you're interacting with a computer. Like
I'm very technical, so I'm probably gonna make a lot
of analogies with that, like saying, let's say this we
live in it's a simulator that it's just because it's

(13:26):
easier to understand from tackle point of view and using
that as a as a beginning with the soul is
the imagination, so they are sending the symbols. The mind
is going to be let's say the software, so it's
what runs those symbols basically, how how the aultburithm of
those symbols are run. The body is the hardware, so

(13:49):
how we will actually navigate the physical work. And then
we just missed the skirt, which is also talked about
that which is like the power source. If you will exactly,
you can say the spirit in the Bible, for example,
is going to be the tenth of God that is
inside you. It's going to be the observer, so it
doesn't interact, it doesn't do things, just observes and learns.

(14:11):
So you can see yourself as kind of this smaller
part of the whole that came to have specific experience,
so you need the camera, let's say from the big
guy looking and seeing Okay, this was nice, he did
this good, he did this well, and swat. So then
when you come back, you you already have everything the
cameras watching it. Okay. That's a way of seeing it.
Another way of seeing it is let's say it's your

(14:33):
higher self, your your greater self, or like this future
you that knows more about stuff because it had the
timeline already complete, Like you can understand stuff as well.
So it's a if we understand if we take the
cabalists like the technology of the soul, and if it
is your imagination, then we pretty much have a lot

(14:54):
of problem solved. Because if you understand this, then you say, Okay,
if something is going wrong in my life or if
I want to change something, as the user, meaning as
the imagination, I gotta use it properly. So let's say
you have some problem at my job or something. I
know that it's likely because I'm not using my imagination
properly either. I'm like not imagining the best scenario, living

(15:17):
up to random things like living up to whatever comes
or worse. I'm imagining bat scenarios. I like, I'm imagining
problems with my employer and whatever.

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Speaker 4 (16:40):
So the then we use tools to help that imagination.
And again then you derive systems from from the Kabbala.
You have tyrot, you have astrology. You have basically an
amalgamation of symbols. Like the symbology is very important that
then you can use which again we come back to
how different cultures created their own symbols. Because if let's

(17:04):
say I have a magic word and I gave it
to you, the magic word is blah blah blah, Like
if it doesn't mean anything to you, it's not magical.
Like you can you can say this the whole day
and it's not going to do anything. But if you
understand it, or if you at least have some intent
with what they're doing, that it is magical. So then
you see it's not so much about the symbol, and

(17:26):
then you start to understand how it's when you have
laws or like religions say, oh, don't like idolize things.
To me, they not idolized things. Doesn't talk about literally,
I like, don't look at an image and don't like it. Like, sure,
do that, but just don't confuse it with the real power.
The real power is your soul sending the symbols. Like

(17:47):
if you want to use virgin Mary or Freya or whatever,
it's up to you, really use the symbol that works
best for you. But the focus is that you are
the one creating the symbols, and that is creating change.

Speaker 3 (18:00):
I'd say Okay, I get it, I understand. So then
I I have a I have a question.

Speaker 4 (18:09):
Since you know.

Speaker 3 (18:12):
You mentioned like symbols and not like focus on it
too much, like don't make it the point or the
thing of worship. Then what are your thoughts on the well,
let's say, the obsession with the crucifix, especially in Christianity,
like it has become, you know, of course the symbol

(18:34):
for Christianity, but it seems to be a lot more
about that symbol, about the Crucifix than about you know,
like actual Christianity.

Speaker 4 (18:46):
Can I share the screen?

Speaker 3 (18:48):
Yeah, of course, be my guests, there should be an
option to share screen.

Speaker 4 (18:53):
Okay, let's hope it doesn't make me quit. Do you know,
I quit and come back to it will be fine.
So you shouldn't have to quit because of the mac
the it asks you, because of privacy whatever. You should
be able to come back. Okay, I'll try it. Let's see.

Speaker 3 (19:13):
So yeah, let's let's hope you don't have to quit
and come back just to share your screen. That'll be
that'll be a shame.

Speaker 4 (19:19):
Wait a second and close it.

Speaker 3 (19:21):
Long live technology.

Speaker 4 (19:24):
Okay, no, anyways, and the app here will complain. But
can you then share that the scream gonna send you
the link. Yeah, of course I sent here in the
chat on the river side.

Speaker 3 (19:37):
Oh here in the here in the chat.

Speaker 4 (19:39):
Okay.

Speaker 3 (19:39):
I was immediately like trying to open Twitter, of course. Yeah, okay,
let's see.

Speaker 4 (19:47):
So it is.

Speaker 3 (19:50):
Loading. I'll just I'll just do the screen share.

Speaker 4 (19:54):
That's not I don't explain it problem and MacBook and
is quirky privacy. It's asking me to quit the app.
But then I don't know if I quit the app,
if I can come back to the recording if it works,
fine one, So let's just keep it like this.

Speaker 3 (20:06):
I never worked with mac I you know, only PC,
like very simple, just PC and androids. That's what I
It's what I do.

Speaker 4 (20:16):
It's what I know.

Speaker 3 (20:16):
Although I know that mac is works better for a
lot of things. So let's hope it'll actually Welcome to
the Tree of Life. Okay, chill, got it.

Speaker 4 (20:29):
So then I'll share the screen nice, thank you.

Speaker 3 (20:33):
Let's see that one. Are you able to see it?

Speaker 4 (20:36):
Not yet?

Speaker 3 (20:37):
I am sharing it.

Speaker 4 (20:40):
Yeah, now it's coming up, okay, so I can see it.
So this is the famous Tree of Life, right, and
last about the crucifixion, there are some things we can
understand here. First of all, all of these spheres they
have a specific meaning behind them. The Jewish would say
they are emanations from God, so they are monothesis monotheses,

(21:04):
meaning they believe God is one. But then it has
different emanations. For example, the blue one is going to
be the mercy that God has, the red one, the severity,
the yellow one in the middle of the beauty, the
harmony and swan. So God has attributes that we can
strive for. That's what the Jewish would say. For the

(21:25):
dramatic guys, you can understand them as for example, the planets,
so you can understand the blue with Jupiter, the bread
as Mars, the yellow as the Sun, the black Saturn,
and so on. So Firth right, you can make these associations,
and then from that you can even make associations with
other cultures that never heard of Kabbala, like you could
put Odin, for example, in the Jupiter side as well,

(21:49):
you could put someone like a low Key in the
mercurial side, so that's the orange one at the bottom,
like the left comic, and you can start making these associations.
So when we look into Christianity again, Christ is the
solar character of Christianity. If you see all the images,

(22:10):
it has the sun behind it. If you see its story,
it's the stories talking about again the movement of the sun.
You can see similar stories with osiris and autos. You
can see similar stories with hercules. You can see similar
stories in a lot of other places. Krishna like Christna's stories.
It's so so funny. Like I made a video. I

(22:31):
posted a video today on a book that I'm translating.
It's called the Archeometer, and it goes a little it
went a little bit on the similarity. It's like, oh
my god. But okay. So when you have the solar
character again, where is the sun in the Tree of Lives.
It's the yellow one in the middle. So you have
three pillars, the left one, the middle one, and the
right one. So the middle one yellow is the sun.

(22:53):
You can see below it you have the purple, to
the left side you have the orange, and to the
right side you have degree. And there you have your
Jesus on the crocs on like the crucifix, it is
stamped already. It's the symbol that you're talking about. Another
way of understanding that the cross is understanding that at

(23:17):
as something that blocks the energy, closes up the energy.
So when you want the energy to move, you use
like a circle, you use something that makes the energy move.
When you want to block it, let's say I want
to protect myself. We are talking like magical practical magic here,
you block it with a cross, with an ax or something, right, Sure,

(23:39):
So then you start to see, Okay, so there's the crow,
the cross in this symbological meaning like Jesus there and
you can see its relation to the tree of life
and so on. So all of the fears that it's
working everything that you should strive for and is what
And you can also see it being used practically when

(23:59):
you to the church and you do it like you're
doing this when you're doing this schovement. Yeah, you're closing
up the energy. That's what you're doing. You can understanding
or not like knowing it or not, that's what you're yeah,
you know. So again, if people are fixated into that
idea and look at the again, if everything is symbol

(24:20):
it's symbological, look at the archetype that you're doing. You're
getting a guide which is supposed to be like a
great guy, your savor whatever, and you're putting him in
all blood, like hagged around and so on, like the
guy that's sacrificed against another archetype. You're connecting to that idea.
Where else do you see that idea?

Speaker 3 (24:42):
And you're you know, you're eating his body and drinking
his blood, which is absolutely it's totally fine. It's totally
totally normal.

Speaker 4 (24:50):
Not exactly like it's the symbol.

Speaker 3 (24:52):
Right.

Speaker 4 (24:52):
If if that symbol works out for your life, great,
I'm not here to change anyone's mind, but just at
least understand, you know, like understandable what is going on really,
So if you take, uh, look into the learn more
or sorry in the bottom left there's paths and there's
one called lamit. It is on the right car Lamit.
I'll sorry about that, So go back and go to

(25:14):
the learn more. Send you the letting care of the
chat right, I'm sorry.

Speaker 3 (25:20):
Yeah, no, I don't know, it says client error. Let me, yeah,
it's all right, stop, let me stop this for a moment.

Speaker 4 (25:28):
See if it all I'm gonna send you to send
you to another link one sec sure, this one right
here because I made some changes on the first one
I didn't test. Yeah, it broke okay, okay, erro reader.
So what am I one? Am I selecting? Yeah, it's
can you share the screen? Yeah? That so you can

(25:49):
go to the create your reading. Just so I show
you the card quick insight first one and then click
on the card. Yes, and then you have the hanged man.
So it's on the right column. Hang man, hang man. Yes,
So again you have the symbology. That's one of the
tarot Arkhana. It is connected also to the Tree of Life.

(26:12):
It's one of the paths between one of the spheres,
so from the red sphere to the yellow sphere again
to the sun. So it's connected to the sun. And
what is talking about is again this idea of a
sacrificed person, someone that has to make sacrifices. Is that
the archetype that hears you all? You see this also

(26:33):
in the Prometheus, So that's the one you're seeing right now.
See this in the Prometheus archetype the guy that the
Titan that stole the fire from the gods to give
to the humans. You see this with Paul. I think
it's Paul that god like crucified like in the other way,
like like like the guy is doing mm hmm. I

(26:55):
think it's Paul or whatever saying wasn't that's saying Peter.
Saint Peter. Yes, exactly, Saint Peter. So again you start
to see how the same symbol or the same story
is being told just through different characters. You just change
the character's name, Like you have a Marvel movie, you
have Spider Man with Andrew whatever. You have Spider Man

(27:17):
with the other guy and the Spider Man with like,
it's the same story, just different characters, slightly different, you know,
like arcs and whatever, but it's the same. So that's
the archetype that you're using when you're using the cross
and it's not necessarily something bad. But if you don't
know what you're doing, again, you're just blindly doing stuff,

(27:39):
and then you cannot complain that your life doesn't go
necessarily the way you're looking for because well, yeah, you
know fair enough, so that that's the idea you should
you want to start sharing. That's that's what I wanted
to show the car there. Yeah, so you see, to me,
that's what's beautiful about them, at least the one that

(28:01):
I'm trying to study. Because you basically you get a symbol,
you understand it, and because you know already a lot
of other symbols. Most times you can correlate it so
that it's easier to understand. For example, how many rooms
there are in the Nordic twenty four rooms? Yeah right, yeah,
So you have twenty two major kanda, twenty two letters

(28:24):
in the Hebrew alphabet, twenty two paths between the spheres
of the tree of life, so you can already correlate
those twenty two. But then with the rules you have
twenty four. The only difference there is that you have
twenty two paths plus the primordial model and primordial font.
So again, if you already know the tarot, you've already
know the Hebrew letters, you can understand how they correlate.

(28:47):
And then you you're like bootstrapped to learn this new system.
And if you want to stop there and play a
bit more, sure, But if you already know, it's basically
more or less the same system than the tarrot or
the h letters or whatever. Now it's up to you.
You use whatever you prefer, or at least you can
understand if someone comes, let's say, and uses one of

(29:09):
the rooms somewhere else, like you have it on the
Bluetooth logo, it's then you can understand what is it
trying to convey. Like every time that somebody uses a symbol,
you can now because you understand it, you can accept
or reject it. You can say, now that's not something
that I want to fuck with, or yeah, yeah that's something.

Speaker 3 (29:28):
No and I have. It's funny like you talk about
the rooms I got from a who is also incidentally
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Speaker 4 (29:51):
That's very interesting. Yeah, and then you see like let's
say I study the rooms like recently with that lens.
It didn't go deep, but I ended said, okay, disconnect
to that and one. So now every time I see one,
I can either not soft my head or come back
to my nonsense one and see okay, So that is
what it was trying to be conveyed.

Speaker 3 (30:11):
There. They you should talk to to a friend of mine,
Sarah Lath sarahl Ath Eternal, the guy that I do
the weekly Roune readings with.

Speaker 4 (30:20):
He is very very good with that. He is very.

Speaker 3 (30:23):
Intuitive and all of his readings so far have been,
you know, have been like close to one hundred percent.

Speaker 4 (30:29):
Right, that's very nice.

Speaker 3 (30:31):
And he he of course started with the taro, as
every decent magician does, but now he's able to also
read the runs and do all of that. And even
he has as a friend and it's absolutely amazing how
he did that. That guy, I don't remember his name,
he did he did his own show with him quite recently.

Speaker 4 (30:53):
Nice.

Speaker 3 (30:54):
But that friend of his is even able to do
something like a reading but with Cards against Humanity, Like
he's able to like intuitive intuitively read Cards against Humanity.

Speaker 4 (31:09):
So the way it works is, again, if we are
in a simulator, everything is a code. It's either you
know how to read the code or not. So have
you ever heard of the term geomancy. Geomancy basically menci
is like the reading and geo earth. So if you
look at the skies and you see like a cloud

(31:30):
that is dark and you say it's going to rain,
you're doing geomancy, like you're reading the signs from the simulator.
When you're doing when you're using tarrot or rooms or dies,
whatever it is, reading, you're anchoring the intention to a
symbol so that it's easier to understand because you know,
there's so many systems of definition, like literally there and

(31:52):
from the most ridiculous ones that you would just like
you untie your shoes and the way that you wouldn't
tie them get answer or whatever, like you drink coffee
and whatever is there left is the answer?

Speaker 3 (32:07):
Like yeah, yeah, like tea leaf and coffee ground reading exactly.
I've had I've had someone on them on the podcast
who is very proficient in that, who does readings exactly
like that.

Speaker 5 (32:19):
It is.

Speaker 4 (32:19):
It is absolutely fascinating.

Speaker 3 (32:21):
I knew it, like only from like the stories and
the best example that I had is Harry Potter of course,
but it's it's even that is fascinating, Like how did
you even come up with the idea of like these
tea leaves they speak to me. This you portrays something,
It's like because because again their leaves everything, that's the thing.

Speaker 4 (32:41):
Everything is speaking to you in a way. So when
you when you I'm a really good capitalist, you don't
necessarily need like tools to do the readings because you're
just tapped in. You just let's say you have a
question and a specific music will be playing at the
same time that answers your question or you're gonna watch
like a car plate that just past, and you're gonna
get the meaning it's it just gets gets a little

(33:03):
bit schizophrenic to be, but it gets super.

Speaker 3 (33:08):
And again that's that's how you know you're on the
right path, you know, when you start freaking schitzo posting exactly.

Speaker 4 (33:14):
And then we come back to the beginning where it's like,
you're not supposed to be fixated and necessarily on the
tools on the symbols, but just understand them, and to me,
that makes it, that makes them even more greater, even
more beautiful. For example, if you happen to be someone
that follows a specific religion, let's say, which we just
stopped about. When you start to understand what's deep there,
the esoteric, the internal, but the exoteric, not whatever is

(33:38):
on the media or whatever your pastor is saying, whatever's
in there, then it makes it not only more powerful,
but much more beautiful to my understanding, because then you
can see, Okay, it's not some gibberish, some random things,
like there's some connections there, there's something happened. There's the
concept of like Christian Kabala for something, you're talking about
Christianity and then again, when you to me the most

(34:02):
the nicest part when studying something like Terrort, for example,
which has all of these connections, is that you understand
that these are energies or that's called them apps. These
are apps the simulator has that you can use two
specific situations. Also, I want to get a raised at
my job. There are twenty two major a kind of

(34:24):
would it make sense for me to use the hanged man.
The hanged man talks about sacrifices. The hanged Man talks
about something hard, something that you're you're looking at it
from a different perspective instaurnt. Maybe if I want to
get a raise, it's not necessarily the best it can
be done, but I kind of like I can kind

(34:47):
of see it, like you have to sacrifice something to
gain something, but doing it it's yeah, but it's it's
a little little too serious, perhaps exactly. And and maybe
it's like you want it, but you don't want it
to be hard. If you're resting the hanged man, it's
going to be hard, sure, like you're already putting it. Yeah,
it's a sacrifice, right, But what about using let's say
the emperor. So the emperor says that you have the authority,

(35:10):
can use the emperor as the archetype, so that now
you have the authority and that people see you are
the authority. Therefore it's a no brainer. They're going to
give you a race or they're going to give you
a better position.

Speaker 3 (35:20):
So yeah, that would that would work much better.

Speaker 4 (35:23):
So that's the idea. When you understand enough of them again,
any of them, carrot rooms, whatever, is that you can
use them in the situation that you were in. So
it's not so much I'll get readings to know the future.
That's not the point. You understand your current state, you
want and if that current state makes sense for what
you're striving for, and if not, change it. If not,

(35:45):
you change your current state, like if I don't want
to be Like if let's say I get a reading
and it says that, oh, you're gonna you know, you're
gonna have a problem. Again, let's say the job example,
You're gonna have a problem in tomorrow's meeting with your boss.
It's going to be it's got to be crazy. Now,
you don't need to accept that and say, oh, like
you throw up the towel and say, ah, well, fuck,

(36:05):
I'm sucked. No, Now you can prepare, you know, and
use the correct symbol so that when it comes you
act differently. Maybe you don't argue with him, maybe you
do something different that calms him down, or maybe you
show something that even though there was a little bit
of argument, you came up on top. Also, now you're prepared,
that's the point you can you can choose the different paths.

Speaker 3 (36:27):
Yeah, and that's no exactly, and that would.

Speaker 4 (36:29):
Be the same when we were talking about let's say
astrology or any of the divination systems that tells what
you should be, let's say your personality or the attributes
you have. If you understand that as a base software,
everything that is programmed can be programmed differently. So if
you came with the programming of let's say, oh I'm
a suburn guy, I'm lazier or whatever, it doesn't mean

(36:52):
that you should be this your life. Actually, when the
base software that you're coming should be the one that
you should overcome first, Like that's the point you're coming
here to overcome it to the Jewish will say you
have to do the tikun, which is basically the corrections
you've got, correct things on your soul and obviously, if
you want to correct something, it makes sense for you
to have the tendency to have that challenge over and

(37:15):
over until you correct, until you don't don't have Yeah, I.

Speaker 3 (37:18):
Mean, if we're if we're talking like you know, in
in software hardware terms, it's like debugging in a way,
you know, like you're you're the you come here on
this earth, in this realm, you know, fresh like no
like blank slate. Of course, there's going to be some
you know, some issues, some some bugs, some things that

(37:38):
you don't need to be need to be tweaked in
order to you know, work a little better. And I like,
I like what you say, you know, especially with those
those readings, because that's I mean, that's that's what it's about.
It like do weekly reelingks with with Aero Lath of course,
and by this talk with you, I start to understand
it a lot better as well. You know, those they're

(38:00):
not to like predict the future. Nobody can predict the future.
They can read and they.

Speaker 4 (38:08):
Can have a good.

Speaker 3 (38:10):
Yeah exactly. But then if there is a bug in
your your future something that yeah, I mean, you know,
expect the unexpected, of course, but you know, if there's
something that is gonna cause cause a bit of an issue.
As you said, like the right way to do things

(38:33):
is to then be like, okay, so I know this
is coming, so I can prepare for it. And there
seems to be a lot of people, you know, especially
you know, like we we call them the black pilled
ones once of course, you know, we're like, no, fuck it,
future is fucked. I'll just I'll do whatever because I
can't change it anyway, not without head tude. You're not,

(38:56):
you know, if you if you know you know the
future is fucked, If you know current society is fucked,
which it absolutely fucking is, you know, then you see
the problems, right, So now go do something that at
least for you makes it a lot easier. Like I
spoke about that with Benjamin Benjamin the Dream Wizards just

(39:18):
just recently.

Speaker 1 (39:19):
You know, be the the.

Speaker 3 (39:22):
Like be the first ripple in the pond. You know,
And as my late grandmother always used to say, if
you want to better the world, start with yourself. And
that's you know, that is the ripple effect. If I
feel better about myself, then I project that outwards, which
makes you know a lot of people happy. Of course,

(39:44):
you know, if if I'm happy, then you know, my
immediate circle, my immediate you know, circle of friends, family,
loved ones, They're going to be happy to see that
I'm happy, and you know I'm their circle and their circle,
et cetera, et cetera.

Speaker 4 (39:57):
So yeah, and yeah, that's that's absolutely what it's about, exactly.
And to be honest, I don't even necessarily like say
people should be some specific emotion or some specific thing,
let's say, happier or peaceful or whatever, but at least
have the intent of playing a good role. Like you
came to this game. Let's say it's an arcade. You

(40:18):
came to the game, so play the game. Well, if
you're gonna be like a sad guy, you're gonna have
a sad story, at least do it like a really
dramatic you know, like really you appear in the movies.

Speaker 1 (40:29):
I like that.

Speaker 4 (40:30):
You know, it's like, don't don't have asset, don't go
like ooh, I'm just gonna be said and nobody's gonna
hear about it. No me, you know, make some dram
about it at least so that people like, yeah, you
know what I mean. I love that. If you if
you're gonna do it, then do it well.

Speaker 3 (40:43):
If you're gonna be that depressed emo guy, then just
go go all out, like don't don't, don't hold back.

Speaker 4 (40:49):
I like it exactly. Like in the Caapala we see
there are three cops. So the last one service to self,
the middle one the balance, and the right service to others.
If you want to be a jackass, service to self,
I don't care about anybody else. Left column, go do it,
but like that's the point. Do it well. Don't go
in the while you are in the middle of a

(41:10):
sending and like no no help. Water is like no, no, no,
go do it. You know, like I'm personally happier in
the middle way, you know, balancing and trying to use everything.
But if you're if you want to do one just
you don't do it well. That's the point. Like if
you want to be the mad tyrants and do everything
like go do it, no, but be sure to make
it well though, don't do your your job poorty, so

(41:31):
that at least people can learn from That's the thing.
Everything are different perspectives. From the from the tree, we
can understand everything has at least ten different perspectives. One
way to be to have the opposite perspective, so like
everything that is true can be untrue, like everything is
can be a can be refuted, basically, and you have
twenty two paths that one perspective, one perspective can lead

(41:54):
to the other, and so you have the sphere that
pathsens one. So there's no such thing as weighs the
right way. There are just different points of view, and
every point of view can help you understand something differently.
So to me that again, when you start to grow
your consciousness enough, all the silly, mundane problems stop existing basically,
So something like racism, misogyny, whatever, like they just don't

(42:17):
make sense anymore, because why would I prevent myself of
interacting with specific points of view just because of something
that is not even like it's not even the point
like you talk and I really the body. It's just
a view like this soul, My soul is on this
body right now, but it could be and it was,
as I have some expisis, it was already in the

(42:38):
bodies of women, in the bodies of people from other
racism and so on, So you know, like why would
I care about if some specific knowledge is from certain
culture or not? And then you start to see all
these like you see, some people complain or they try
to to to like say that the content is not
good because let's say, oh it's from Pagans, it's from

(42:59):
like tribes or whatever. But most people don't realize actually
that what they are doing, like what they are practicing,
most of the times, we're God from those same types.
Or it's just like a rebranded version. Like if if
somebody comes to a Native guide and they say, you
worship the sun, but then their best hero is a

(43:19):
sort of character like bros. Same you're just human face. Yeah, yeah,
I say this.

Speaker 3 (43:26):
I say this all the time. But like especially with
the Catholicism, it is basically just paganism rebrandeds. You know,
they look at the Pagans, they you know, kind of
copy their homework, but like change it up, you know,
enough so that it doesn't look like a just copied
it wholesal. The one example that I always bring up,
just because it's the most well known one is who

(43:48):
they call Saint Bridget. She's a Celtic goddess. You know,
she's one of a of a triad. They just you know,
call her a saint. Change up her back story, a
little so that she was somehow present with the birth
of Christ in the Middle East as a Celtic goddess. Okay,
all kimas and and now she is you know, now

(44:12):
she's a Catholic saint and she can be accepted when
in reality she's a Celtic goddess.

Speaker 4 (44:18):
Yeah. You see a lot of these, like basically saints
and angels a lot of times were from other cultures
and demons as well, were like let's say, people that
were against that specific type of understanding, and not only
Alasism in Christianism, but you see, for example, some guys
in like Persia and India, they have the concept of
divas and got the name right now, but like basically

(44:40):
the same like angel and demon, right, so let's see
and right, yeah, there is another one as yeah, the media,
right as angels and demons. Let's say, so my let's
say I'm from one tribe and you're from the other.
My angel obviously is helping me, so it's my angel
and your angel is fucking me. So obviously it is

(45:00):
my demon. But from your point of view is the opposite.
The guy that's you is your angel, and the guy
that's helping me is your demon. Who's right?

Speaker 3 (45:08):
Yeah, no, exactly, it's the same thing that I that
you know again Benjamin came up with, you know, like
one man's freedom fighter is another man's terrorist.

Speaker 4 (45:18):
Exactly.

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a good guy, is my bad guy? Why? Because you're
a good guy, you know he's working for you, which

(48:12):
means he's not working for me. So must be a
bad guy.

Speaker 4 (48:16):
So so that's like the goal you should strive for.
What if you want to study something like proper isoteric,
like really deep as a Tarch system is that you
understand there are different points of view to things and
you use the monarc like that the kabbala that I study. Sure,
I want to get as most as I can understand
the most as I can. And when you have that,

(48:38):
then the problem is not on the micro lives anymore
but on the back. So something like you suggest low
somebody came and did like a horrible thing I have
for some specific people. That's an in horrible thing by
itself because there was something that get out of it.
And the game is so complex that it's really hard
for us to say if something really was good or bad. Again,

(49:00):
these are just human terms. For example, have you ever
heard the story of the Chinese farmer parable to the
Chinese farm? Not? Sure?

Speaker 3 (49:07):
Let me get it for you so readly, quickly, and
if you like, if you don't understand like all of this,
that's when you get a wall off text in your
email telling you that you know you have sinned against
dot and you'll go to hell and this and that
and then when you come with examples, he just as
Bible quote with you. That's the way you get back.

Speaker 4 (49:26):
You see, as a capitalist, you understand something, you stop
being afraid of the help. Why because first, if it
doesn't exist, then it doesn't exist, and whatever it didn't
go to it it's an exist and it's controlled by
some bad guy. You're the one studying all the bad
ship your culte shit, so you're't gonna be probably some managers. Yeah, no,

(49:49):
I mean that's fair, do you know what I mean?

Speaker 3 (49:51):
But that's that's also the thing about you know, all
those those people, like I've heard it so many, so
many times, like you know, you're gonna go to hell
because you don't believe, and.

Speaker 4 (50:04):
And it's like, oh, well, how very loving of you.

Speaker 3 (50:08):
I thought that, you know, one of the main principles
of Christianity was you know, love one another and you know,
help one another, And like, how is this helping me?

Speaker 4 (50:19):
How is this you know, showing love?

Speaker 3 (50:21):
And if God is, if God is you know, true love,
then I'm not gonna go to hell anyway, because if
God is true love, if God is the purest form
of love, then hell doesn't fucking exist.

Speaker 4 (50:31):
He's going to borrow Hades from the Greek, but don't
tell people, like change your name a little bit, where
he's gonna borrow Haiti from spine person, he's gonna borrow
hell Heim from some other curuature, Like yeah, you know,
it's it's like Hades, but hell Heim, and it's all Samara.
So that's the point. When you understand the symbols, you're

(50:51):
not stuck to them anymore, and you can understand, like
there is indeed such thing as a predatory, for example,
but it's not. First of all, it's not eternally because
the purgatory is right here, right now. You are creating.
If you are in a hellish state, you are creating
it already. So when you go out of your body,
meaning you die, you're continuing that symbol. It's just now stronger.

(51:12):
It's easier to see because your body anymore. Like here,
if I'm here and I have some nightmare or something,
I wake up, I go about my day, nothing happened.
But suppose you are in the nightmare and you never
wake up. That's hell. But you got to win eventually,
and you win it eventually. It can take a couple
of lifetimes or like a couple million vons or whatever,
but eventually right. So that's why again you need to

(51:36):
understand the technology of your soul so that whenever something
like this happens, you can get out of it. But
I'm talking about the good and bad. And I'm gonna
tell you the Chinese farmer. It's from Alan Watts if
I'm not missing Oh and what again, I know him?
But yeah, details. So once upon a time there was
a Chinese farm whose wars whose horse ran away. That evening,

(51:58):
all of his neighbors came around to im miserate. They said,
we are so sorry to hear your horse has run away.
This is most unfortunate. The farmer said maybe. The next
day the horse came back, bringing seven wild horses with it,
and in the evening everybody came back and said, isn't
that lucky, What a great turn of events. You now

(52:19):
have eight horses. The farmer again said maybe. The following day,
his son tried to break one of the horses, and
while riding it, he was strong and broke his leg.
The neighbors then said, oh dear, that's too bad, and
the farmer responded maybe. The next day, the conscription officers
came around conscript people into the army, and they rejected

(52:43):
his son because he had a broken leg. Again, all
the neighbors came around and said, isn't that great? Again
he said, maybe the whole process of nature is an
integrated process of immense complexity, and it's really impossible to
tell whether anything that happens in it is good or bad,
because you never know what will be the consequence of

(53:03):
the misfortune, or you never know what will be the
consequence of the good fortune. I mean again with Tarot,
with whatever. If it comes on the URF, the death card,
this and that, and it's like some calamity that is
gonna happen, maybe that's actually the best thing ever that
could happen. It's just gonna be a little bit harder,
you know, to go through, or a little bit more challenging,
or a little bit more polarized with the feelings that

(53:25):
you think you should be all the time, you think
you should be happy at the time you thinker speed
like not necessarily, it's a thermometer. If if you never
became if you never became hurt, and you're stepping on
fire and you're not hurt, that's a problem because eventually
your foot is gonna melt, so you need to know.
Oh this hurts, let me get out of it. Like,
oh I'm sad, Yeah, let me change this twish. Oh

(53:45):
I'm angry, let me do something about it. Like imagine
somebody came to your home and it started like breaking everything,
and you're not angry. You're not angry. You're like, yeah,
it's cool, bro, it's cool. You like, I can't be angry.
You know, if if you break my stuff, I break
you simples exactly. So again, most of the problems come

(54:07):
from not understanding the symbols or interpreting them literally like
thinking think literally later nothing happens. Literally all the stories
are stories are symbological, are something within you. Again, the
more you understand the symbols, the easier it is to
to go about them, to use them, and so on.

Speaker 3 (54:26):
Yeah, oh that is such such a good listen. I've
I've heard that from multiple people, main one being Micah
dank Now, who does the whole astro theology thing, absolutely
fascinating stuff. Students of Santos Bonacci, so you know he's
good and I you know, keep miscoting him, but it's
a I believe a friend of his who said that,

(54:49):
you know, like, we think we're smart enough now to
you know, take all those texts literally, and that our ancestors,
you know, they they took it all metaphorically and they
were the dumb ones. And it's like, no, we are
the dumb ones that you know, we take them literally
because they're not literal texts, you know. I mean, sure
they may be you know, some things may have indeed

(55:12):
happened in the way that is portrayed, but it's not
just a story. You know, it's not just a bedtime story.
They are there are lessons in them, like even with
you know, the the European fairy tales, like, yeah, they're
there are awesome stories unless you like, unless you look
at the original grim stories. I mean, the fucking hell

(55:32):
they go grim for a reason, Holy ship man. But
there are still you know, if you read in between
the lines, there are still lessons in there. You know,
you're still supposed to supposed to learn from it. Did
did Hanseling Brattle exist? And did they you know, find
a gingerbread house in the woods?

Speaker 4 (55:50):
No, of course, not like what's gonna change in your life?
Really it's you know, it's.

Speaker 3 (55:58):
Awesome story, but you know, the crux of the story
basically is be wary of strangers.

Speaker 4 (56:05):
Yeah, and that's that's it.

Speaker 3 (56:07):
It's just it's just wrapped up in a well, a
messed up story really exactly.

Speaker 4 (56:12):
So two things that I came to my mind while
we were talking. So first of them, let's say, let's
suppose that is a historical validity to all the books,
right to the sacred ones again. Now you again come
back to the problem of perspectives because whoever is writing
them and the ones that came to us, because again,

(56:34):
when they were written like two thousand years ago, three
thousand years ago, they were trans they were like translated,
they were revised, they were edited, right, you have councils
on them, and so they were all changed to fit
a certain narrative and to fit a certain point of view.
If you go to a book and it says, oh,
the Egyptians were bad and bad and bad is one. Okay,
that's one point of view. If you go to egyptiums

(56:55):
and ask like, what were you doing, they're not gonna
say they're bad. There is, you know, like it's basic.
That's one thing to understand. And then the other thing is,
for example, in the in the Christian terms or Catholic
or whatever. You have something called the hermineltics, which becomes
very clear where they got us from Hermes right, hermonotics

(57:17):
and don't tell them exactly. And then you have three.
You have three levels. Three legs are also they're setting.
You have the literal one I think it's called like
the moral one and the other one so it goes
more abstract. The Jewish guys have the same. They have
the what's called the party system. So you have from
bishot to sod. Now you have four. You see, they

(57:40):
just have one more, which is to me the most important,
the one we should be looking at first instead of
the literal. The literal is like last one you look at.
But people do the opposite. They look first at the
literal and then they try to see, oh, the metaphors
is one. So the sad level is where you get
the aura what the Jewish studying. And for example, you
start to understand, okay, so there are words, and words

(58:03):
have numerical values, and you can understand how different words
have the same numerical value, meaning they have similar meanings.
You can give one very very simple. You have the arc,
and in the arc you're supposed to flee from a
what's the name, like a flood, and you got to
you need to take two. You need to take a

(58:25):
pair of all the animals from a place and both
them as okay, you hear that starting to go fucking out.

Speaker 3 (58:31):
That should have been huge, and like two of every animal,
like including bugs or whatever that is some.

Speaker 4 (58:40):
Are on a cold place so that you could flee
from the ignorance that was arriving in the world, so
that they would wouldn't be like persecuted or whatever. And
then it's like, okay, makes a lot of sense, you know, Yeah,
it's not something that historical even it's something that happens
to this day. That that's why there are mystery schools
and not like get everyone schools, because if you'd start

(59:03):
to learn some specific things, not only is dangerous for
the people learning it because they might not be prepared
for it, but it's dangerous for the people teaching it
because well, somebody else that doesn't want people to learn
it are gonna go after it. So that's why you
need like mystery, you need to be a colde not
because it's oh nobody needs to nobody, it's like for
safety of both parties. It's like, yeah, giving against a child,

(59:26):
you wouldn't do it. So you wouldn't teach some things
to people if they're not ready for it, because they
would just hurt themselves. Wouldn't be It wouldn't make sense really.

Speaker 3 (59:34):
Yeah, exactly, you know, like going back to the you know,
the fairy tale part, and you know that's that's how
we preserved in you know, in Europe. It's how we
preserved our culture in the stories, in the fairy tales,
you know, because we had to we had to hide it,
you know, we had to, you know, to make it
into something different so that you know, the especially in

(59:57):
those times, the church wouldn't, you know, send us to
our maker or to to Hell.

Speaker 4 (01:00:04):
I guess, I don't know. It's apparently where it's apparently
where we were going.

Speaker 3 (01:00:08):
I mean, you know, if it's a little warmer, then
you know, I I guess, I know, Mike, Like here
in northern Europe, it shit gets cool.

Speaker 4 (01:00:16):
So exactly, you know, if that's Hell, Hell, where fire? Yeah? Cool?
Where do we go? But when do we leave?

Speaker 1 (01:00:28):
No?

Speaker 3 (01:00:28):
So like we had to, we had to wrap it
up in stories and just say like oh no, no, no, no,
you know, these are these are kids stories.

Speaker 4 (01:00:37):
See this is you know, this is all made up.

Speaker 3 (01:00:39):
Yeah, you know, it's songs, it's poetry, it's you know,
it's it's not it's not real. But you know the
the ones who well, who know, who know how to
to read between the lines or you know, who have
been taught to read between the lines, they know what's
actually been said like for everyone else. Yeah, it's a story,

(01:01:00):
you know.

Speaker 4 (01:01:00):
Cool. And that's the cool thing as well, because if
all the stories are being told already, all the songs
and all the games, like there's a very like Hopscotch,
you know the game where you put like the ten
things and yeah, you have ten ten things and you
go from sometimes they even write it Earth and Heaven
for you to go to heaven. You go through ten yeah,

(01:01:21):
and it's like right there, No, it's literal, guys, I'm
doing this. There's more, let's say pop series right now
that I used this globe as well, which is similar
to the Where's water you think, right, and show people
like where's the combaling things? And I have infinite content
because everything is it, So it's just a man of
recording it. I have the comvent gate.

Speaker 3 (01:01:42):
I hate I hate to be the one to break
you to your people, but if your child is playing Hopscotch,
they're doing it in a cold ritual, cold ritual or
cold ritual on the school grounds.

Speaker 4 (01:01:50):
Now they're going to band the Hopscotch. Like they banned
like yu Yo and stuff for call PG games in Brazil.
It was crazy like at some point they literally were
trying to ban it, right because in Brazil you not
only have the Catholicism Christianism this one, you have the evangelics.
I don't know if it's called the same in other places,
but they're very loud, let's say about the stuff.

Speaker 3 (01:02:13):
They're the hardcore ones.

Speaker 4 (01:02:15):
Yeah, very literal as well, very literal. Oh you cannot
play the game. It's like, oh my gods, but okay,
Like D n D and the like.

Speaker 3 (01:02:24):
During the was it like the ace, you know, the
Satanic brand night, like oh, dungeons and dragons, like it
drives people towards you know, devil worship and all of that.
And if you throw the playing pieces in the fire,
you know they'll you'll hear them scream and it's like
the demons escaping and it's like and.

Speaker 4 (01:02:40):
To be honest, real to be honest. That's the trick
as well of the game is that there are indeed
a lot of let's say traps, a lot of things
that you can that you are doing that are not
necessarily for your greater benefit. But the thing is, some
people think that what they are doing is which most
times aren't. So most of the the systems that are

(01:03:01):
set up, they are done in a way that kind
of let's say, slows your promise because again, you are
putting the focus outside. You're putting you're giving away your
time and energy. You're not focusing on yourself, meaning focusing internally.
Not that you can't let's say, share things with others,
And that's not the point. The point is, like you
have the answers, you already can find it, you have

(01:03:23):
the access. You don't need someone else to tell you
how it's done, not even me for that reason, Like,
don't trust what I'm saying. Go figure out yourselves. There
are plenty of tax plenty of things, right. I don't
want to be no one's master or something. But the
thing is, let's say, oh, they are playing with that one.
But if you don't understand what it is, then at
least don't take bullshit about it, right, I think that's

(01:03:46):
the first point. But when you don't stand then you
can see, Okay.

Speaker 3 (01:03:49):
If only more people did that. If you don't understand it,
just shut up about it. It's not the reality of
this world unfortunately.

Speaker 4 (01:03:57):
But but my point is, like there are indeed some
times where you're doing things which are not necessarily beneficial.
But remember the Chinese farmer story. That could be how
you actually learn the stuff that you need to learn,
Like sometimes it's through pain, sometimes it's through like getting
huge that and so that's it. It's part of the

(01:04:19):
game in the micro level. It's not a problem. Like
this life is a spect is like a dust. It's
gonna end some time, and and in the infinite time
lines that your soul is going to be, this one
is gonna be just one more not meaning be like
the nihilist about it. And I also fuck everything because
now you know it's the opposite. Okay, if so, if
I know, if I don't treat myself well, I'm gonna

(01:04:42):
keep having infinite timelines and I don't want to have
infinite time that I want to play something else that's
I want to play in a different simulator. I would
have satisfact.

Speaker 3 (01:04:49):
I don't want to keep I don't want to keep
playing the same game over and over again. You know,
It's like at a certain point I would like to,
you know, win the game so I can like play
play another game. Perhaps.

Speaker 4 (01:05:00):
Yeah, that that's that's a very interesting track we can follow.
So like how to win the game? Right? How do
the all the commodic can can help win the game
for something? So we understand from multiple different systems that
are again always comes back to three, So three paths.
So first of all the self path. So you got
to deal with yourself if you take the first six

(01:05:24):
astrology signs, so from Areas to Virgo, it's always talking
about something internally. So Areas is like you and and
the way you react like taras like security and swamp.
The same with the tart ar kana. So from the
first and to the night. Okay, so we win over
yourself all your own security is all your own like
laziness and everything like everything in there that it's you

(01:05:48):
winning over the simulator or the or the external. Right,
that's the right column. So for example, you're winning over nature,
you're winning over other people coming up and enemies and
so on, in strobably that would be from the eighth,
So scorpe you until I sees visis kind of like
the sum of everyone and libras in the middle. Libor

(01:06:08):
is like balancing both the self and the others. And
in the arts they would be from the tenth, so
that we were fortune until the eighteenth, so the moon,
but again self others first, all then others. Then you
win over all your past history. So let's let's call
your ancestors. You win over them, because if even if

(01:06:30):
you didn't participate in some stuff, they participated and they
are in you, like you have tons of people DNA
and shit in you, you gotta win over that, and
you gotta win over your past stuff in this in
this life, even like if you don't want to accept
there that there are, it's called it past lives. I
don't really like the stame, but let's call it like this.
If you don't want to accept this, except that you

(01:06:51):
had things you did this life that you got a
kind of correct or win over. Otherwise they're like still
stuck in They're like blockages are still stuck. So it's
always like a dance of the spheres. So you're dancing,
you're going through once you're not working it, and you
come back and you work another one, and the better
you work, the more light they shine, the easier it
is for you to just at some point realize, Okay,

(01:07:14):
either I want to keep playing this game or not.
But now it's up to you. You're not like bounce
to any external thing putting you here or like confusing
you or something. It's like, it's your decision at the
end of the day.

Speaker 3 (01:07:25):
Yeah, No, absolutely, and past lives, I do believe it's
a it's a thing. And as you said, like you
are the product of generations and generations of people who
have gone through the same things. You know, maybe in
a different way, you know, because times change, people change,
but the essence of struggles stays the same. You know.

(01:07:49):
If you just like look at the numbers for you
to be here, there have to be two parents, four grandparents,
eight great grandparents, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera. So
you know, like in just let's say four generations, it's
one three. I'm you know, bad math. Don't want to like,
I don't want to commit right here.

Speaker 4 (01:08:10):
I know what's Meanly I get to the millions really quickly.

Speaker 3 (01:08:13):
Yeah, exactly, and you are a product of all of them,
you know, like you are your ancestors. You know, the
way you look, the way you act, the way you
do things. It is you know, you are a product
of generations and generations and generations of you know, struggle overcome,
struggle overcome.

Speaker 4 (01:08:33):
And when you hear next time, I seria hippies saying,
oh we are all one, we all come from the same.
You can try to ditch it, but think about the math.
For you to have let's say, fifteen generations, eventually you
don't have enough people that could have existed to make
the thing work, meaning you had people intergreeding, sometimes not
even knowing about like some fucking third causes like intergreeding.

(01:08:57):
So indeed, there is some truth to that idea of
like Adam and Eve that Madi, Yeah, I guess you know,
and if you if you go far enough back, you
know we are all related more leans and whatever.

Speaker 3 (01:09:09):
But somehow families that came together and split apart, and
you know, created new families, new branches and all of that,
which is also of course the tree of life. Like
you have one trunk and then a branch, more branches,
more branches, more branches.

Speaker 4 (01:09:24):
So that's what I tried to convey with the website
and showed like with the tree d The thing is,
the tree is in treaty, it is moving, and inside
every sphere you have other trees. So I can if
you go and we get the sun one, I mean
we would enter it, we would zoom into it. There
would be another tree inside and another another. It's like

(01:09:45):
fractals upon fractals, right, so it should gets really complex.
We don't need to go that far, just a just one.
But yeah, that's what you can. Let's understand. How then,
also when people say a corene, when they would say like, oh, oh,
then let's say it's all set the.

Speaker 3 (01:10:04):
Which is the blue one.

Speaker 4 (01:10:05):
Doesn't mean he only works that one, but it's just
the best example. Say I want to put Christian in
the tree, and let's say there's a sphere that talks
about footballing. He would obviously be there. He wouldn't necessarily
be on the chef one, because why would Christian not
be an example of a chef? Right he could? He
could be. I don't all, but nobody like it's not

(01:10:27):
that favorite. Maybe maybe he is like secret grand chef
who knows And this is not. It's not in the
public as far as I know, so, but it doesn't
mean that he cannot do it worried even that he
does it and does it well. Maybe, but people just
don't know, right. So it's the same idea when you're
studying the tree, don't don't fix it yourself like that

(01:10:47):
can be a trap as well, like having symbol having
something they're trying to reason it about, which is not
supposed to be reasoned to that level. It's just a
guy like just tools like tarot and trust out, you're
just tools to help understand. But the whole journey is
with the soul. So I could argue that it's not
even necessarieness to go and study the Kabbalah, let's say

(01:11:10):
the way I study. But if you get any system
and if you go to the root of it with
that intent, you can achieve like greater things like you
can eventually log out of the game, let's say, if
you decide or it's play it a little bit different,
and so want and do things better. So it's not
so much about the specific systems. It's just that if
a system works better for you, then go and use it.

(01:11:31):
You know, I it's faster, yeah, and use no exactly.

Speaker 3 (01:11:34):
And that's you know, that's the same thing that I,
you know, try to try to prevail on the podcast
as well. That's why I get all those you know,
different people on who have you know, different ways of thinking?
Who have you know, all those different experiences. It is
also to show that like, yeah, like Germanic paganism, it
is the path for me. It is you know, it's

(01:11:57):
where I found my gods. My people might try. It
doesn't necessarily mean that, you know, that works for everyone
else too, you know, like for you, you know, Kabbala
and everything that works for you great. You take it
from just a broad perspective, so you take like pretty
much everything in it that you you know that you
can find.

Speaker 4 (01:12:16):
Great.

Speaker 3 (01:12:17):
If that works for you, absolutely fucking great. And I wish.
I just wish, like kind of going back to the
wall of text that I found in my email the
other day, I haven't haven't read the full thing, you know.
I saw the I saw the title, I like read
a couple of sentences and I was like, okay, you know,

(01:12:38):
I just fucking never mind, I know what this is
going to be about. I don't even have to read it,
but like I wish, just like mostly those those hardcore
Christians that they would understand, you know, like and I've
said many times before, even with like a it was

(01:12:58):
like last week, two weeks go, I had a Christian
lady on the show, a writer you know, who has
like written about her experiences and all of that. You know,
it's so funny because it kind of caused a short
circuit with her because I said, like, I see the
value in the teachings. I acknowledge the value in the teachings.

(01:13:23):
And but then in her mind it was like, so
why are you not Christian?

Speaker 4 (01:13:28):
Blue screen? Right, Yeah, It's like I don't get it.

Speaker 3 (01:13:33):
Like you see the value, you acknowledge it, you acknowledge
the value. You acknowledge like the the existence and all
of that, and it's like, but you're still Pagan. Why
Because this fits for me doesn't mean I mean it's
something that I had to grow into, of course, you know, okay,
But it doesn't mean that I don't see the value

(01:13:55):
that I don't you know, in other systems. It doesn't
mean that I don't ignore knowledge other systems. It's just
it's not for me, simple as and if you if
you can accept that great, absolutely awesome. You know, I
like you, I'll love you, fuck yes, and if you don't,
well just leave me. That'll leave me to funk along exactly.

(01:14:18):
Then it's your problem. Like, uh, that's the thing. I
think it's easier sometimes to to best figures, but it happens.

Speaker 4 (01:14:26):
This happens with a lot like don't like to do it,
but they're making it, you know what you mean? In Twitter,
I usually if I'm agree with someone, which by the way,
I never take personally. I just like for the content.
It's like, it's funny, it's nice. But usually it's with
someone like this because I don't know. It's I think
because it's also the most one of the most famous

(01:14:47):
and one of the most talked about. But there are,
like say, people with closed mind everywhere, right, even people
that don't believe in like people that are atheist or whatever,
and they will say no, fuck you, you're you're crazy
or whatever. Road it's your problem. Like to me, the
kabala can be used if you don't believe in any
of this. It's a system. It's a bluebird. If you
want to be the scientist or whatever, you want to

(01:15:08):
be the super logical I don't believe spiritual stuff that
there is in the Kabbala. All the trees you have four,
just like you have the the part is system. You
have four trees, so four layers. Let's say that the
lower one meaning just because it's lowest in high Let's
say it's the earth one, so you can stay there.

(01:15:29):
It's fine. You don't need to go to the worst ones.
That's that's not my problems. But it still works for you,
like you can use I have a video on it.
We can make a quick practice software if you want.
But you can use it in practical terms to do
things in life. And you actually already without knowing, everyone
does it. Sometimes they don't do it as well. That's
why things come up kind of ugly or not the best.

(01:15:52):
But sometimes they do it pretty well. And you don't
necessarily need to know the system. But if you know it,
and it's easier, not like you know the blueprin like
you can travel it's called the lightning path. You can
travel through it through the seffrons in a way. That's
something materializes just the way you.

Speaker 3 (01:16:08):
Understood it that you want it right, No, exactly, that's
the thing. If it works for you, it works for you,
if you If you if you choose to stay where
you are, now okay, cool, you know, go go and
do it. Live your best fucking life in those lower spheres,
the middle spheres, the higher spheres, wherever it's comfortable for you.

(01:16:30):
That is perfectly fine. All I wish is for everyone
to live their best life as long as you.

Speaker 4 (01:16:39):
It's it's it's you know, respect is respect is earned.

Speaker 3 (01:16:42):
It's not just like, yeah, you're expected to to give respect,
but you know, as long as I as I get
it back as well. You know I I it's it's
live and let live. So many people still seem to
like not understand that, or especially in these times, everything

(01:17:03):
is divisive, like it's everything is black and white. It's
it's either or. You know, if you're not with me,
you're against me. That's that's not it. You know, if
you're pro this, it automatically means you're anti this. No,
I mean I am, Well, this is very dangerous to say,
of course, but I'm pro white. No. I like I

(01:17:26):
like my own people. I like the Northern European European
people best. Why because I live here and I can
relate best to them. Similar and automatically mean that I
hate everyone else from a different color. Hell fucking no,
I just I don't relate to them as much.

Speaker 4 (01:17:46):
Yeah, if we got you doesn't mean to put you
in the middle of some countries it will be like,
who the hell is this guy? What did he do? Yeah? No, exactly.

Speaker 3 (01:17:54):
You know if if I moved to the Middle if
I moved to the Middle East, you know they're going
to be looking at me like, what the hell is
white boy doing here?

Speaker 4 (01:18:02):
Yeah, there's a fun example I like to use, which is,
imagine there's a cell in your heart. You expect it
to be in the heart right working with the other
heart cells. Imagine the same cell goes towards your stomach.
The stomach would be like, bro, what the fuck are
they here? And it can survived there because like, it

(01:18:22):
doesn't make sense there. So unless this hard cell for
some reason transmutes into a stomach cell, it should literally
doesn't make sense to be there. It's going to become
a problem. So not to say again, people will take
that into literal meanings and say, oh, so that means
literally people this this that there should be literal barriers
as one not again, that's another point. The point is

(01:18:46):
if someone is from a specific culture and they be
have in a certain way, if they are put into
a specific environment, there's gonna be problems, simple as that. Yeah,
it's natural, it's like normal, it makes sense, and that's it. Yeah,
people are arguing about it in f one of it.
Either you adapt to.

Speaker 3 (01:19:01):
The environment or it doesn't work exactly. You see that
a lot now with the you know, the whole immigration thing.
You know, turns out it doesn't work as well as
people would like.

Speaker 4 (01:19:11):
It to work.

Speaker 3 (01:19:12):
Yeah, no, shit, because you're like, you're literally importing people
from another culture. You're placing them here, mostly in Europe
for some reason. I don't know what we did, and
you're expecting by just having them here that they automatically
integrate themselves in society and you don't really expect anything

(01:19:35):
of them. It's like no, no, they're gonna bring their
own culture here and yeah, like they're gonna, you know,
take things from our culture that work for them, that
is beneficial for them, because of course they would. Why
wouldn't they. I would do the exact same thing, you know,
if somewhere else, If I go somewhere else, you know,
let's say I moved to the Middle East, and there

(01:19:56):
are certain things that you know, work in my favor.
A'm gonna do those things, like why why why wouldn't
I if you're smart? It turns out, yeah, no exactly.
But of course they're gonna bring their own ideas, They're
gonna bring their own culture here. Why because it's their culture.

Speaker 4 (01:20:13):
They're not just gonna exactly flick a lot. And there
are different people enough, yeah, exactly.

Speaker 3 (01:20:19):
Just you know, just because someone from let's say the
African continent moves here into Europe doesn't make them European.
It makes them an African in Europe.

Speaker 4 (01:20:31):
M just like the opposite wouldn't work as well. And
then you don't understand is that again, there are so
many layers of things, and ideally you go to the
deepest one first. You try to go to the what's hidden,
what's behind the lines, you know, what's between the lines, sorry,
not behind the lines, what's between the lines. So when
you have something like this, you have not only the

(01:20:51):
political stuff going on, meaning there is some incentive to
a certain narrative and that's why certain things happen, like
why certain people move in certain places. But there's also
again the idea that if you are you have self agency.
You understand that it's not about moving to a different place,
Like it's not about I mean a bad let's say job,

(01:21:11):
and if I change jobs, my life will be better. No,
that will never happen. You never change something external and
your life will get better. You always change something internal,
and then their lives will get better. So if people,
let's say, their idea is that first somebody else external
should help me, so like a lot of essentialism, like, oh,
government needs to help in whatever you can already see

(01:21:33):
a problem there. And if people believe, oh, no, people
should come from one place to the art. Again, I
understand obviously if the place they're living, let's say some
catastrophes like physical one happens, obviously people have to move around.
But then you have to said, okay, how can we
make this in the best way that everyone like doesn't
necessarily have to change so much because people are not

(01:21:56):
most of the time they're not ready for that change.
And also there's and at the micro level that again
there's so many there are like so many variables, so
many things going on. I'd like to use the example
there's a game in Brazil. I'm pretty sure that there's
a game in Europe like this as well. In Brazil
it's called war and you're basically assigned you have like
eight players or so all, and you are assigned a

(01:22:16):
couple of regions and you get like an objective which
nobody else knows, just you, which could be let's say, oh,
conquered that many regions or kill that specific player or
something like this, and then you play the lice and
then you try to conquer more places.

Speaker 3 (01:22:31):
The thing is, yeah, no, but I know, I know
that game. We call it the Colonist from Katon, the
Colonist of Gaton.

Speaker 4 (01:22:37):
It's it's the same principle. There's probably exactly there's probably
similar games. So the way I see it is like
there is handful of people playing that game in current politics,
and sometimes they'll make decisions that because they have their
their personal textifs. Sometimes it doesn't make sense in the surface,
like why the hell would people allow this kind of
shit to happen. Even let's say you've seen Europe a

(01:22:58):
lot of Barocers and now ais one, why would you
people do this? Because we have again, you have things
behind the curtains, you have things in between the lines,
and if you can, if you cannot properly understand it,
then don't bother, Like, don't become a crazy conspiracy conspirasness
and whatever, like, don't bother because it's not gonna change
your life, you know what I mean.

Speaker 3 (01:23:16):
No, No, it's it's only gonna make it worse. Actually,
if you like, if you see a conspiracy in everything,
like everything is a conspiracy, you know, like even going
a scene that pop up more recently, even going as
deep as like everyone is transgendered, like everyone you see
on TV or the royal family, like every man is

(01:23:38):
secretly a woman, and every woman is secretly a man.
Is like just looking at the reality of it something
that most of them refuse to do. That's fucking impossible.
Just you know, think of the think of the logistics,
think of the amount of hormones and surgery and surgeons.

Speaker 4 (01:23:56):
People that just the amount of secrecy exactly.

Speaker 3 (01:24:01):
Yeah, it's it's like, Okay, I get it, some things
are a little suspicious. I get it. Some women are
indeed more masculine looking, but that doesn't automatically mean that.
Oh you know, it's just it's a conspiracy and it's
this and it's that, Like I used to be that guy.
But I was in my early twenties. Okay, I just

(01:24:24):
like I just saw things for what they are. I
just like kind of woke up to the real world
and I was like, oh, fuck, so.

Speaker 4 (01:24:32):
Nothing is what I think it is.

Speaker 3 (01:24:36):
Every every fucking thing is bad. Holy fucking shit. I
got black pailed, you know, fucking depressed, fucking everything. But
I turned it around. I, you know, I found I
found the pagan path. I've found my gods, I found
my tribe. I found like my the thing that I
can hold on to, and if I lose my sanity,
then at least I have this. And from there I

(01:24:58):
was able to you know, study more. I was able to,
you know, go more into other religions, into the occult,
into the esoteric, because I I, you know, I wanted
to understand why. I wanted to go deeper. And there
are still so many people who just like stay on
that conspiracy level the surface. So it's close to to

(01:25:20):
the to the actual, and the thing is, let's suppose
for a second that it is true, all of the
conspiracies are true. Okay, Now, what there is a meme
that is very it's very cterous in Brazil, that is
like that that guy, like that footballer did this is
the first thing and then the guy's going.

Speaker 4 (01:25:36):
And then the second one is like next day and
it's the guy working. It's like, yeah, so what like
the guy did this or a certain thing happened in
the TV tomorrow, you're working the same. Why aren't doing
the same? So didn't change anything for you to know
or not? No, So if if those stories are not
helping me in any way, and I agree with you,
sometimes it's like a step in the journey, like I've

(01:25:56):
been through there as well, Like would would uh you know,
like screw image boars all day and whatever and see,
oh there it is okay. But if you grow out
of it, that's the point. Like you grow a lot
of things.

Speaker 3 (01:26:08):
It's the same if you if you don't take it
as a stepping stool or you know, a step up
to you know, the more important actual things, then you're
not getting.

Speaker 4 (01:26:19):
It exactly that. It's the problem that most of us
have when we grow older, because when we are kids,
we are like constantly changing perspective, we are constantly working
through those spheres and because it's like there's no first
of all, there's no responsibility right, So we wake up
it's a new day. Oh what I will do today,
what I'll play with? And we are very imaginative, something

(01:26:41):
we also lose when we grow older, which we get
back to unfortunately, because it's one of the elements. I
can talk a little bit about the four elements, how
we use them. I think it's very nice. But as
we go older, we start to crystallize ourselves into things.
So you think, for example, Monday, you think I really
want to go and eat like say sushi. I want
to go and eat sushi, but you cannot go on money,

(01:27:04):
And then you crystallize that into your head so that
you go always thinking about the sushi want to eat,
And then Friday comes and like okay, now I can
you go and eat a sushi?

Speaker 8 (01:27:13):
And and go.

Speaker 4 (01:27:14):
I didn't actually wanted anymore, it's like and then you go,
what's the fucking Am I crazy or something? No, you
just have times that you are working in a specific
sphere and that certain things will be more pleasing or
that you want that you want to do more in
that specific tie. But that changes through the day. So
every two hours or so you change the main chapter

(01:27:35):
or the main top law, and that is a different
you that is changing needs changing once. And the thing is,
if you don't act on them, let go. It's like
it's like a sneezing, you know, like if you don't
sneeze right now, don't don't owe into like oh yeah,
I want to sneez right now, Like hold into it,
maybe will come back again. Yeah, you know, don't crystallize

(01:27:57):
the needing of needs. It'll makes sense, but the same
idea because you'll see And that's a practice you can
start doing, like note down if you ever have some
let's say, some impulse, try to not act on it
and note it down. Some imples that I say, oh
I want to or I want to go somewhere like
last a little bit, breathe and note it out, wait
a couple minutes or so, and see if you still

(01:28:19):
have it. Most likely you'll not have it, and you
would have regretted if you did it, especially with buying,
so beasy. Right now, we go to Amazon, there's a
lot of flashy, cool things and you're like, I want
to buy by right, But it's like most of the
time that came, that comes and you never use because
you were just interested in that moment. And then yeah,
it's it's that it's a quick topamine hits and then

(01:28:41):
it's like, okay, but why why why did I Actually
I don't.

Speaker 3 (01:28:48):
I don't need this, Like what am I going to
use it for? To fill up space in my house
that I can use for something else, something more reductive.

Speaker 4 (01:28:58):
On the on the Tree of Life, I'll use this
because the website is broken. But on the Tree of
Life and the Jewish guys, they will say, we have
five levels of the soul, so the soul has levels.
The Egyptians had nine anything, so you can see they
got it. They changed a little bit. But basically you
have five, right, and you start from the most animalistic one,

(01:29:19):
meaning it's impulsive. Right, you see something you want to do,
you don't have truger yourself. Like a dog will be,
you know, in his time to breathe and he will
see another dog and he's like, I want to breathe.
Or if you see your leg, it's like I want
to breathe. He doesn't think, oh it's a leg, I
shouldn't do it, you know, it's like it that's animal soul.
A lot of humans are here. It's thermal, right, it's

(01:29:40):
your impulse and you navigate. Sometimes you're more here, sometimes
you're more there, but you navigate through them's not fasted.
Then you grow and you're a little bit less impulsive.
You're like, okay, I'm like half human, half beast here
was food beasts here, half human, half beast. I can
control myself, but sometimes I get back and do the
impulsive stuff. Then you become Jared here is the human soul.

(01:30:02):
Let's say before that, you're like half beast so and here,
meaning you can control what you're doing, but not totally.
Sometimes you're still like.

Speaker 3 (01:30:10):
Yeah, I mean that's that is being human. You know,
we still have our we still have our flaws. Every
once in a while, you still fall back into old
habits exactly.

Speaker 4 (01:30:18):
It happened, right. So it's just much less impulsive than
this one. And then the last two is going to
be half angel as human and totally angel when you are.
When you're becoming more angel, it just means you have
more control. It's like laser again an angel if you
go to Latin angelus. So it's an angle. You're working
in a specific angle to get something done and it's

(01:30:39):
done boom, Like oh I want to do something, boom boom,
you do it. There's no First of all, there's no impulsiveness.
It's all planned you. You are in the control of
the situation and you go towards the end. You don't
start something, and the middle it's like, oh there's something
shinier there, let me go that you go in finish,
you know.

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(01:32:52):
that sounds that sounds familiar, That sounds right. And there
are so many people who who don't go beyond on
the the animalistic or like the have half human half animal,
you know, they're they're stuck like either on the animal
side or on the half or stuck just going in
between those. And I mean that that also, I believe

(01:33:19):
at least like it has to be a choice, like
you have to have to want it, you have to.
But I mean, I guess that requires the more human
side to come out more if you will, you know.
And sometimes it's like, okay, you know, I'm I'm freaking
tired of just like falling back into old habits every
damn time. Let's just like let's make a considerable efforts

(01:33:43):
to you know, like actually not do it, you know.
And so yeah, it's it's it's it's easy to well,
it's easy to fall back, it's harder to climb, but
you know it is the reward will be great, exactly. Absolutely,
You've got to be I can say that with.

Speaker 4 (01:34:04):
That's the thing, like you've got to be constantly and like,
you know, I imagine that I'm alert. You know, I'm seeing,
I'm seeing all the bad stuffs going on, and I'm
trillion you know I'm not.

Speaker 3 (01:34:14):
And it is very it is very tiring. Oh yeah, absolutely,
you know, and and sometimes you just you know, you
want to have a day off. You want to have
a day where you where you don't see those things
or you don't have to be alert. But the thing
is that I have noticed, at least from personal experience,
even when I try, when I try to like not see,

(01:34:37):
not notice, just you know, just be is like I
fucking can't and I hate it.

Speaker 4 (01:34:45):
Ye just for one day please, no. Yeah, after it grows,
it cannot like ungrow, you cannot unsee it. That's that's
that's a challenge. But okay, let let's let's get them
little bit practical and what you can do about it. Right,
Let's say, oh, you are here in the in the
animal form. What we have here, we have four so

(01:35:09):
the four elements fire, air, water, earth. So fire your imagination,
the mental images you have a lot of people can
some don't, but a lot of people can imagine things.
And what I mean by imagination, I don't mean just
images like some people who have advantage or whatever, which
can be trained by the way you can train it

(01:35:30):
and you'll now see. But you can imagine something like
an image, or you can hear it, sound, you can
smell it. The bets really can use all the senses.
That's fire imagination, that imagination. So those symbols will trigger
specific thoughts, which is air. Those thoughts trigger specific emotions,

(01:35:51):
which is water, which trigger specific actions. So if I
have the emotion of let's say I'm hungry, you know,
I have the hunger emotion, then I'm gonna go and
grab something to eat, Otherwise I won't. It's like very right.
If I have assembol in my head of McDonald's Burger,
I'll have the thought of maybe I should go to McDonald's.

(01:36:13):
They don't have the emotional Yeah, I'm very hungry for McDonald's. Actually,
I'm happy about thinking about going to McDonalds. And then
you're gonna grab your car and then go to McDonalds
and you're gonna eat it. Okay, now I understand how
the process works. You have to understand what is then
triggering the symbols. Again, it's your soul. Your soul is
sending the impuls But if you're not consciously doing them.

(01:36:33):
Where the symbols coming from? Every ad you see, every
music you hear, every person you talk to, everything, literally, everything,
every religious story, everything is giving you symbols to work.
So if you don't curate when you're inputing, the output
is also going to be rending. It's gonna be like whatever.
You're gonna watch an ad a thousand times on YouTube

(01:36:55):
and you're not even aware of it. You're just like
this and waiting to skip. But think about it. People
pay like millions of dollars to put a five second
thing most times with random shit like have you ever
seen like a car? Add They don't. They don't say
nothing about the car. Literally, they don't say, oh, this
car has that break and swan.

Speaker 3 (01:37:16):
They know they're selling you, yeah, and they're selling you
an experience exactly. They're telling you a story about let's say, man,
that goes and like doesn't there's a really cool one.
I think it's like from Honda or something that it
is all this story about, like the two parents thinking
about how their kids is going to be and so on,
and at the end, somebody almost bumps into the woman,

(01:37:38):
meaning she will die and all that story would be gone.
The car stops and the car is like the one
they're trying to sell, meaning oh it has a good break,
but they didn't talk about the break. They just show
the story. Then you see that it has all that
emotion on it, and now it's like, oh, they could
have gone so wrong. Thankfully the Harnda exactly.

Speaker 4 (01:37:58):
And then you may think, you may think, how about it,
But then next time you see something, the symbol is
already there. It's already creating stuff, So you should write
it goodbyebro, like it's gonna act. It's not, it's it's
it's all about.

Speaker 3 (01:38:12):
With a lot of the others commercials, it's indeed like
it's planting seeds in the subconscious, making associations. You know,
if I see this, it makes me think of that,
and that is exactly. That's exactly what they're after. That
is what they're spending those you know, those freaking millions
on They don't want you to like necessarily.

Speaker 4 (01:38:34):
I mean, it'd be great, It would be great if
you do.

Speaker 3 (01:38:37):
Like you see the ad and it's like, oh I
want that, right, Well, that's that's like for ninety nine
per ten of people, that's not how it's gonna happen.
But it's the next time they hear something or they
see something, it's making the association. And if you know,
if that keeps happening enough and enough and over and
over again, eventually you're gonna get it. You're gonna get

(01:38:59):
the you're gonna get you know, the car, the McDonald's,
whatever it is that they're you know, they're trying to
sell you because you know it's it's like, okay, it's
it's also like humor curiosity, like, oh, I've seen this
so many times now, I've heard about it so many times.
I've seen the ads so many times on so many
you know, different platforms and billboards and whatever. Like now

(01:39:22):
I actually want to get it because I know I
want to know what it's about.

Speaker 4 (01:39:25):
Gotcha. I can explain the liking path and you understand
how it works, you can do it as well. Even
if you're listening as well. At home, you can do it.
So that's just the tree of life. First thing, I
want to do anything, First thing, you need to want
to do it, right. If I don't want to go
and eat, I won't eat, simple as that. So that's

(01:39:48):
the first year you need to want to do something.
And then supposed to say, oh, I want to buy
a car. Well, what's the next step? Sorry?

Speaker 8 (01:39:55):
This one.

Speaker 4 (01:39:56):
The next step is forma which is light, so formless
ner g became like meaning you need to see the thing.
You need to know it exists. If it's not there
on your database of symbols, you cannot like let me
tell you, oh, let's eat blah blah blah blah, Like
what the fuck is this? I cannot eat something I
don't I don't know, so I know something for it

(01:40:19):
to be able to do it. So here, if you're
at home, you can visualize whatever it is that you want.
Suppose let's say I'll give myself for an example. Here,
I want someone to watch this podcast until the end
and really like it, really enjoy it, and change their
life in a way. That's why just one person, So
I want it. Okay, next step, I need to visualize.

(01:40:40):
I need to see it with all my senses, not
just vision, with all my senses. So that means I
can see, for example, someone sitting on their computer clicking
the light button, watching the until the end. I can
hear their satisfy, satisfaction, I can smell the room, whatever.
I can just keep adding senses to it. You have
the image, then you have sound, so life becomes sound.

(01:41:04):
So now you see it's getting slower. So here's very
fast energy. It's getting slower slower until it will come here.
So so meaning I need to be able to explain
my idea. Again, Let's say I have a project. I
can see the product in my head, but I cannot
explain to you. I cannot verbalize it. I cannot put
it off, I cannot understand it. Basically, I don't understand it.

(01:41:24):
I cannot do it. So I need to know it
exists and I need to know how to explain it.
So I'm explaining to I want someone to watch this
until the end and really like Then you go through
a portal which is expressing it. Usually the best way
to express it is paper and pen and pencil. Sorry,
So there's a very nice combination of elements there. You

(01:41:44):
don't necessarily need it. You can just you know, express
it by by saying it. You can express it by
typian somewhere whatever. It doesn't at the end. But if
you can paper and pencil, so I could write here,
for example, one person watching a podcast and so on. Right,
it can write it does Okay, went through the Burton.
Now it continues, it gets a little bit slower, and

(01:42:06):
it comes here to plannings with good things. So here
you're going to see all the good sides of this
that you're trying to do. Let's say I'm going to again,
I want someone to watch this until the end. Why
is it good? What are the proofs? Well, me and
Stein will have someone that will like us more. The
person will have probably a better life because we'll watching

(01:42:27):
to the end. They'll have the good things. It's one
could be that they also share with other people. So
one becomes two, becomes three, and so and so a
lot of good things that can happen. Right. Let's say
I want to eat somewhere. I'm gonna be satisfied, I'm
gonna be happy eat so on, I'm gonna buy a car,
I'm gonna have somehow a way to go to the job.
We're gonna have a flashy thing, people like it, so on.

(01:42:48):
So again you're seeing that the good parts of it.
Every time you're doing this, you keep improving. The image.
Symbol is the most important thing you have to keep
in mind, and all the others come from it. Thoughts
and buls. Then continues to the red one and now
you need rigor, you need discipline, and you need to
see the bad sides of it as well. It's all bounced.

(01:43:09):
So if let's say I want one person to see
this until the end and really like it, but what
what's the bad side of it? Maybe that person likes
it so much that it becomes talkers. That's wrong. I
don't know who knows that just might happen, that it
could be, you know, but anything, nobody reached for it
because it can become a problem. Or let's say I

(01:43:29):
want to buy a car, but the car is too expensive,
so I'll have to take like loan or something, and
that will suck me up. Again. Everything has some bad
side if you look into it. And usually if you
come here and there's a more bad size than good sides,
why bather doing it? Scratch that idea, right, don't stretch
some and remory. I'm giving you the system, but you

(01:43:51):
already do this in your head. Already you you didn't
need to know, right if you if you think of something,
I want to do it, but then you put the
limitation and then say, oh, but it's going to be
hard dis discipline, then you do do it. Continuing here,
you harmonize the good and the bad. You basically try
to see how that bad can be balanced and you

(01:44:13):
see the beauty of what you're trying to do. So again,
it's very nice. It's very a beautiful idea to have
someone that changes their lives by listening to a podcast.
And I think if they become a Starck Curry, we
can have them. You know, I don't have my address
in the internet. If as fright as I know, so
I can hide myself And so that's the way to
counter that, right if it does, hope not, whereas I

(01:44:33):
had a car and I have to take a loan,
I could let's say I get a loan in a
place that has less fees and whatever you can, you
can balance it.

Speaker 3 (01:44:41):
Yeah, there's there's always there's always a solution. There's always
a way to mitigate the negative, and.

Speaker 4 (01:44:48):
If it doesn't averse, it's really hard again, scratch that idea,
do do something else.

Speaker 3 (01:44:54):
Yeah, if the risk outweighs the rewards, then just don't
do it exactly, it's not worth it.

Speaker 4 (01:44:58):
Continuing this. This one is very simple here. You've gotta
be sided about it. So I already kind of broke
it because I'm talking about it in the podcast, but
ideally at home, shame ideality at home. It's not a
hard rule, but it just means like, if you're doing
a project, is it really you really need to talk
about it to everyone else? Because what's in it for
you when you talk about it too, Let's say a

(01:45:19):
friend of yours. Most likely, if it's a project that
is let's say that's difficult, or something that is not
necessarily what people would see you doing, it's very likely
that they will project their own insecurities in you and
they're gonna stop you from doing it. So it's not
something that they're doing out of bad because they are
bad people. It's just like they're sure they're gonna say, oh,

(01:45:40):
this guy cannot do it, So they're not necessarily going
to encourage you.

Speaker 3 (01:45:43):
Because they don't. They don't get it. Now it's like, oh, like,
are you sure.

Speaker 4 (01:45:47):
You you know you should be doing this? You know
like and even if they don't say it, they will
mentalize it again. They are sending symbols into your idea. Now,
your idea was just for you secret. Now you open
it up for other people, and now you gave them
the reality to send the symbols again. Yeah, be quite
about it. It's fine. I already said. It's all right
if you if you have enough, will it does It
shouldn't matter.

Speaker 3 (01:46:08):
But if you don't have it, if only more then
if only more people did that, if only more people,
just shut the fuck up for.

Speaker 4 (01:46:13):
A moment, exactly. So if if you don't have enough,
will business be quiet about it? So continuing here we
have the reasoning and the last connection of thoughts. So
it could be, let's say, in a project could be
where you sign contracts, where you fetch new investors, where
you look for more stings to to final nighte. You

(01:46:35):
can see all of this column is like expensive is
getting it's like doing more stuff. And here's the opposite.
It's contractive. You're like closing it up. You're open and closing,
open and closed. The binary system. Then okay, you did
all the connection of thoughts, the last connection, you're the
reasonings behind it, you're about it a little bit there,

(01:46:56):
and here you have the last step where most people fail,
which is the foundation. So first say I want to
a new job and I'm doing this. I came here
and I don't feel like I'm worthy. Well it's not
gonna come. Sorry, So you gotta understand that if you
don't feel the thing, as in I don't feel like
I'm worthy, it's not gonna come. So you need a foundation.

(01:47:19):
You need something to base that idea that you're creating.
It's like if you're talking about, like say a product
in a company, this will be the quality testing phase.
You're you're testing it to see it's really this, like
we're patching it. It's really that if we want because
after this, it's gonna come. Like this app it comes,
You're don't need to do anything here, it just came.
So here's the last step before sending it. So again

(01:47:42):
you can see how everything like this is done already
in your brain. Sometimes you come and you circle around
a little bit, like you you stay here usually like
Dona on the pros and cons until it goes and
you already do it. And sometimes you would try to
a hardcore through one of the columns in one. It's
all right, you can try it. It's just gonna be
maybe slightly harder. I don't know. But that's a lifely path, right,

(01:48:04):
And then you can see if you come back to
the ads. I want to buy a car, or I
want to buy something like a washing product or whatever.
I go to the supermarket. I cannot buy a washing
product like a car rush or whatever. Then I don't know.
So it needs to be here in my symbols database.
So if I saw an animout something, then I'll know,

(01:48:27):
and then I'll go and buy it. Like it's very simple,
like you won't buy most like you won't buy things
from brands who don't know you don't. It doesn't need
to be good, you just need to know it. And
that's the thing. If you have enough branding power, you
just out compete others because people know yours and don't
know the thers.

Speaker 3 (01:48:44):
Oh, that's that's a very good explanation. It's very see.
This is this is what I mean by like you
explain it just simply, you know, like so that everyone
may understand it. And that's not to you know, stick
any feathers up there, but you know, like that that's

(01:49:05):
the sign of true intelligence. It's like being able to yeah,
like being able to explain a complicated topic in a
simple way. Like too many people think, if I just
you don't use big words, it'll make me seem smart. Yeah,
I mean you're gonna think you're really smart because you're

(01:49:25):
using all these these fancy words and big words, and
you know, you're you're taking something that you could have
explained in a minute, and you're doing you're taking like
fifteen minutes to fucking explain it. You know, you're you're
just you're wasting time. I don't know who said that exactly.
I believe they've Ben Einstein. You know, if you can

(01:49:46):
like explain something difficult in simple terms, that is the
sign of true intelligence. I mean that's you know, That's
why I why I like your your content. That's why
I like what you do. Like, yeah, they're they're not
like fucking forty five minutes, you know, video essays. That's
that's not to say that you know, I don't watch those.

(01:50:07):
I don't like those I do, but like your videos
are what five to ten minutes, like not even ten minutes.

Speaker 4 (01:50:17):
I believe where's about ones usually that sometimes the other
ones like go up to twenty at most, But.

Speaker 3 (01:50:24):
I try to not feel like long, no exactly, but
because I mean I'm the same way like if you don't, like,
if you don't catch me on like the first ten
fifteen minutes, it's like, you know, okay, fine, if you
take twenty minutes to just get to you know, get

(01:50:46):
to the thing that you're trying to explain, it's like, no, sorry,
I mean, if you're like just now starting, it's been
twenty fucking minutes. I got better shit to do. And
then you know, I find some other you know, creator,
some other video maker who can explain to me in
ten minutes, you know, start to end ten minutes, I
know what it's about.

Speaker 4 (01:51:07):
Awesome exactly. That's why again, like sure, if you like
a specific tradition and systems, go study it. But at
the end of the day, it's really like things are simple,
things are really simparate, like not meaning don't study, but
just understand that that there's some point there is one
of the kind of that talks about this your your layer,
your level of consciousness. There's one level of consciousness, which

(01:51:30):
is really thinking like, oh, study is everything I got
study studies such as it. Then you grow out of it,
if actually grow out of it and you understand that
there's more to life than just hammering concepts and this
and that and explaining big stuff and making like okay cool,
like next, let you know, go go go do something
about it. There's another way we can see, which is

(01:51:50):
we just went down the tree, which is usually nicer
because here it's formless energy, so you can player on
with it. If in the middle of this process, I'm like,
actually I don't want to go to tay today. I
want to go to somewhere else. You can change it's
you're in your imagination. Still, you have time to do it.
It's very easy, it doesn't require But there's also the

(01:52:11):
way of going up the tree. So bringing stuff from
the material word up to the spiritual, and this one
not only is harder, but you don't have a lot
of chances in a lifetime. Why well you start here
and let's say, do you know anything about like wines?
Are you a wine guy? Do you happen to be up?

(01:52:33):
I would?

Speaker 3 (01:52:35):
I would like to be Okay, So me and.

Speaker 4 (01:52:37):
You me, and you are here. I don't know about
wines as well. So okay, let's say I want to
become like a so many Air, a guy that really
knows why. First thing I go to is the moon.
The moon doesn't have its own light, it has only
the reflection of the sun, meaning I have to go
and find other people that are good in it that
I can reflect myself and see. For example, I'll see

(01:52:59):
so many Air, I'll see how he does things, and
I will say to myself, that's a nice guy. I
like him. Or else say I didn't like this guy
at all, I'll say, yeah, okay, it was okay. All
of this is just basically a reflection of me. Like
every time you interact with someone, what do you see
in them tells more about you than about the other person.
Because you get someone like Elo massless sake, you have

(01:53:20):
a thousand people, everyone is gonna have a different perspective
on him. Oh he's good, he's bad, he's neutral, he's funny,
he's not funny, he's this that. Again. It talks about
their own shit. They're an a point of shit. So
you're doing this to find a lot of points of
views so that it can become closer to your point
of view, to your true idea. Then from here you

(01:53:41):
need to understand the technical points. So you say that
already required some time. Here more time you need to
know like how to properly get the calls, how to
choose the wind, how to smell the thing, and you
need to know the technique behind it. Then continue, You
need the experience, So you need the muse, the painter
and the meuse. You need the experience of like actually

(01:54:02):
going and trying the wines and certainly and choosing and swan.
Soor if you just know the technicals but you don't
have the experience, doesn't matter nothing, Like you're not getting there.
If you study everything about riding a bike, but you
never rode a bike, you don't know how to rap
pop you need to go there. Yeah, So continuing, if
you did this well enough again time regards here. Here

(01:54:25):
you found your son, You found your magnum opus, your
great work, your whatever name you want to have, right,
your philosopher's or whatever. Here is what the story actually starts.
So if you didn't come to here in a let's say,
if you want to become a submilior and you didn't
come here, you never even started to become a submidior,

(01:54:45):
because here's when the game actually begins. When you when
you found your way of doing it, you're now trailblazing
your way okay, and this is when you start to understaid. Okay,
now I need discipline to do it for years and
years and years. Like I'd say Bruce Lee, he didn't
invent his own stuff until he practiced a lot of stuff.

(01:55:06):
So you have people that talk about the chaos magic
a lot in their Internet, but they don't understand chaos
magic just means a system that you created. How can
you practice chaos magic? If you're here, you're just starting,
bro go use magic systems. Then you can think of
creating your own stuff, you know, otherwise you're just gonna
do gibberish. It's not gonna be well, yeah, exactly.

Speaker 3 (01:55:28):
And was it it also Bruce Lee who said, like
I don't fear the man who practiced a thousand cakes
one time. I fear the man who practiced one cake
a thousand times exactly. So again it's you go through
the end of the thing. You don't start a lot
of these, you end one at least, then you can
see are orders and then okay, so you have the discipline.
Eventually you're gonna have so much knowledge and experience that

(01:55:51):
is going.

Speaker 4 (01:55:51):
To overflow out of you. You're going to have to
share orders because you just have so much. You become
a master in the thing. So now not only it
will shoot good to help others, but it's just gonna
be so much allow you cannot learn so much more
because you don't have people to practice like you need.
You need to train other people basically so that they
can and then help you remember how it was in

(01:56:13):
the beginning.

Speaker 3 (01:56:14):
Yeah, you can raise up the next generation exactly if
you will, And that is, you know, that is the
sign of true mastership, if you're able to raise up
the next generation, if you're able to help them line the.

Speaker 4 (01:56:27):
Tree exactly as well. Exactly that, And that's the to me,
that's the biggest point. I don't know, I'm a little
bit biased sometimes to the right column, but I just
that's it. It's so nice, you know, when you when
you can talk to someone about something and they learn
and they share and let's say, a different point of view,
like fuck, I love that you know, and something coming
and share different point of view of something that I

(01:56:47):
also study is so nice, like this is this step
and then that's.

Speaker 3 (01:56:52):
Why I love podcasting. You know, just so many, so
many different people, so many different opinions, so many different thought,
so many different you know, ways of thinking about things.
Like I've had so many times that I thought I
understood something, not not fully understood, but I know the basics.
And then someone else will have someone on the podcast

(01:57:13):
and that person explains it to me, like from their
point of view, which is from you know, like an
entirely different angle. You know, it comes at it from
a different angle, but it works the same way. You
get to the same you know, the same result. And
I'm just then I'm just sitting here like, yo, shit,
yeah that works too actually, and that helps me make

(01:57:33):
that helps me understand it's so much better, you know,
like yeah, my way works sure, but you know what
you just told me gives me a deeper understanding, Like
you're coming at it from your perspective and your your
way of life, your experiences, and works the same way.
It's you know, I always say like in the what

(01:57:54):
is it three? I want to say like three years
two or three years that I've I've been podcasting now
I have learned more about life, about just general things
than I did in Jesus like sixteen eighteen years of school. Yeah,

(01:58:17):
they helped me read and write, and you know, I
got a I got a piece of paper that says,
you know, I'm a I'm a certified chef, certified cook. Awesome.
But it's you know, it's on the on the podcast,
and just by talking to so many different people from
so many different walks of life who've done so many
different things that I you know that I really learned like, Okay,

(01:58:41):
this is how things work.

Speaker 4 (01:58:42):
Yeah, exactly, and it's a beautiful thing. It's again, you're
already coming. You're already came to this. You already have
your stuff like you are. The Pagans podcast is one,
and you like to bring people from other like points
of view, even though they're not necessarily pagan whatever. So
so now you're coming to here. You're practicing it. The
more you do it again, eventually maybe you have your
own podcast agency, or you help people starting your own podcast,

(01:59:05):
or you help people are on your own pagan path
and so on.

Speaker 3 (01:59:10):
Right, Yeah, that is that is definitely what I am
working to words. You know, I have learned a lot
already you know, not just about you know, religious and
spiritual stuff, but like also the whole freaking technical podcasting.
Like everything that I do is self taught. I found
out myself how all of this works. I mean sometimes i'll,
you know, have to look it up, like hey, I

(01:59:31):
have this issue, How the fuck do I fix this?
But then I still have to fix it myself?

Speaker 4 (01:59:36):
Yeah, exactly. And again, eventually you're here, You're the mastery
of teaching, and you become the true let's say that
the greed gray bird master. You are the true like
ancient of the thing. Get here you knew Gandalf the
Great exactly exactly. You need a couple of years, you know,
to get here. And uh, when you get here in

(01:59:57):
a human body is where you stop basically, So here
is everything you understand, meaning like we were saying, like
something that you truly understand, and here is stuff that
you know that you don't know yet. You know, It's
like wisdom. It's like, Okay, I kind of know, for example,
maybe the Tree of life, like you said, maybe I
saw it here and there, and like I kind of
know exists. I know something or two. But if you

(02:00:19):
asked me again to explain. Remember when we were getting
down the tree, she asked me to really explain it.
Maybe I wouldn't be it so well, I just kind
of know it. And here is everything that you don't
even know that you don't know. How many types of food,
how many types of like music, how many different religions,
how many different points of view you don't even know.

(02:00:42):
Let's speak humans, infinite exactly, let's speak humans. There are
what like eight bm or whatever. You know, your point
of view, maybe point of view of people close to you,
parts of it. There are a lot of people that
you don't now bump up the number two animals, plants, minerals.
It's so much point of view is that it's literally
impossible in a human body to understand it. So like

(02:01:05):
you're not get there right, that's not gonna hum, not
going to happen, not not in this need too exactly exactly.
So good thing that we are not the human body.
If it's still not clear for you that was this thing.
We are not this car, coss, this flash thing. This
is just that the vehicle. So you know it's good. Good,
Now we can learn how to properly use the other ones.
So so again that's the point. You see, you can

(02:01:27):
you can go down, we can go up the tree,
you can play around.

Speaker 3 (02:01:29):
It's nice.

Speaker 4 (02:01:30):
It's like it's a nice system. See everything that I
talked about this last two examples, you don't even need
to care about existence of God or not, or existence
of spirituality or not. Is all this. This is the technology.
Everything that we do as humans, we are copying it
from nature most times from our body or another animal's body,

(02:01:53):
or from like a tree or someone. You're you're getting
stuff from nature into reality into and you're like transforming it.
The idea is already out there, everything has already been done.
You're just mixing around and doing different points of view
of the same thing that already exists, the same idea.

Speaker 3 (02:02:11):
Yeah, no, exactly exactly, you know there is this, yeah,
just the different kinds of practice and there there are.

Speaker 1 (02:02:20):
You know.

Speaker 3 (02:02:21):
It's like very simply put, all paths lead to room.
Like you can go you can go from here, you
can go from here, you can like come from the
north whatever. Eventually you'll come to the same conclusion. It's
just everyone has their own path that they that they
need to walk with their own obstacles, their own lessons.

(02:02:42):
You know, it's it's problem solution, problem solution, and eventually,
if you have resolved enough problems, it won't be a
problem anymore because you know, shouldn't be you know how
things no, except yeah, if if you do it, it
shouldn't be exactly. Yeah, let's you know, let's let's propace

(02:03:04):
by saying that if you do it, if you do
it right, if you do everything right, which is it
possible the first time? And don't let anyone tell you that, oh,
you know, I did everything right the first time, the
fuck you didn't, bullshit, because.

Speaker 4 (02:03:18):
Then you wouldn't be here.

Speaker 3 (02:03:19):
Then you would be like already be like an ascended master,
you know exactly.

Speaker 4 (02:03:24):
And again that's when you understand there's no perfect time
to to. Let's seem do something. If you want to
do something like, oh, I have this feeling that I
want to be like, let's say a football and now
I'm turry and I cannot be a footballer. Okay, you
cannot go the football or route, but maybe you can
do something different. You can maybe, you know, even nowadays
with technologist one, you can just be like a content

(02:03:45):
guy on football, or it can be like I don't know,
like a guy to do massages or whatever. You can
do something about it, like something that calls you, right,
you can do.

Speaker 3 (02:03:53):
Something exactly like football can still be the thing that
you do. But there are men any like, many different
paths to to take from there, Like you don't have
to like be on the field, be one of you
know the twenty two Yeah, on the field exactly, yeah,

(02:04:14):
christ yeah, of course. You know, like you can be
the coach. You can meet the trainer. You can be
the guy you know who gives the massages. You know,
you can be me the line judge, like you can.

Speaker 4 (02:04:23):
You can make content out of it. You can be
the guy that goes to some child thing that like
helps child. You can have something I don't know, you
can do something.

Speaker 3 (02:04:31):
You can be the reporter who calls the game.

Speaker 4 (02:04:34):
Yeah, you know, there are just like whatever. Yeah, for example,
sorry not judge, it's yeah, referee. That's that was. It's
still still kind of a judge really because in party
is Jewish.

Speaker 3 (02:04:47):
So I thought, yeah, no, I you know, referee judge,
you know, same same, yeah. So you know, there are
many many routes to to take. You know, for example,
like I really want to do this this podcasting thing.

Speaker 7 (02:05:02):
And I have.

Speaker 3 (02:05:03):
I am working my fucking ass of for it. Like,
does that mean that you know I'm gonna make my
money with podcasting? No, but it can be a vehicle
through which you know, I make a living exactly, you know,
to make your money with podcasting alone, even in you know,

(02:05:27):
the year of awards twenty twenty five, it is practically
impossible unless you're you know, fucking Joe Rogan, you know,
and you've been on the grind for fucking years and
years and years and you started at just the right moment.

Speaker 4 (02:05:39):
Yeah, but that but that's even the thing. Like, if
you're crystallizing the idea that, let's say, podcast is the
thing that has to make me money, you are limiting
the possibilities. You can have exemples. For example, you know,
like Carra Young he did a lot of his work
on psychology or whatever, and someone basically finds him I

(02:05:59):
think his wife or whatever, one of the women he had.
And you have a lot of examples, like I'm translating
this book the Archometer, and again the saying Eves, the
guy that wrote most of it, was he basically found
like a person from the routine or whatever like that,
do Cass or whatever, like some woman that was important
had money and they got well together and he got

(02:06:19):
the Bundy, like he didn't necessarily need to make like
write the things he wrote for the money. That's also
the point, like that if you wonder if you would
take the the crystallization of how things should be, like
as campbellists, you can basically say, I'll do this. I
don't care how it's going to be done. I just
know it's gonna be done, and that's it. It's gonna

(02:06:40):
be done. Like, Okay, I want I want to do something.
I don't have the money right now, whatever, Start doing it.
Start doing what you can. Let's say I want to
make a trip, start planning it, like I live in
an interview right now, but I'm from Brazil. And the
threat to here was such a magical thing, like when
I look like I bad about it, it's so many

(02:07:01):
crazy things that like I couldn't have planned for it
to be the way it was. It just was. I
decided one day that's where I'm gonna be. I started
plenty and shit just and when it played boom, I'm
here like.

Speaker 3 (02:07:15):
You yeah, no exactly, and it's it's you know, the
same thing that we you know that we just mentioned
with the football like focus too hard under one thing
because it can only you can only disappoint yourself if
you're not gonna get it. And even if you buy
some miracle managed to be one of those, you know,

(02:07:36):
twenty two on the field. Maybe it's maybe it's luck,
Maybe it's I don't know, like youre married into some
freaking football family or whatever. I don't know if that's
that's a thing.

Speaker 4 (02:07:47):
Yeah you metge.

Speaker 3 (02:07:48):
Generational football probably Yeah.

Speaker 4 (02:07:50):
Like you know pile that the Presidan guy. Yeah, so
his son obviously had to be a spar It's not
his choice at this point. His father would want him
to be a football and you see the problem again
because of the crystallization of the idea that oh, because
that my son has to be a footballer, it's football.

(02:08:11):
Some was shipped. Sorry he was like a goalkeeper. It
was was shit, you know, you know, it wasn't supposed
to be a football.

Speaker 3 (02:08:17):
But yeah no, but I mean you see the same
thing like I'm a big wrestling fan, big pro wrestling fan,
and like multi generational you know, superstars, wrestling stars.

Speaker 4 (02:08:28):
It is a thing.

Speaker 3 (02:08:29):
It is absolutely a thing. But a lot of them
like they try different things. First, you know, they have
the you know, the genetics oftentimes to be a great athlete,
but they have to to cut their teeth elsewhere, you know,
like in American football often or some other form of

(02:08:50):
martial arts. But they already have the connections, they have
the family connections, and you know, they have their way
in and oftentimes yeah, they're you know, they're pretty it.
But oftentimes also it fails, like it doesn't matter if
you're you know, the son of the dirtiest player in
the game, Rick Flair. If you suck in their ring,

(02:09:11):
it doesn't fucking matter who you are, you still suck, exactly.
But then you can do something else within the world
of wrestling. You can be a promoter, you can be
the guy who you know does the merchandise.

Speaker 4 (02:09:25):
You can be whatever you like. And that's at all
you can say that wrestling, yes, if it.

Speaker 3 (02:09:33):
Isn't, If it isn't for you, it isn't for you
just because you know your your family did it, because
you're just because you and your father is the dirtiest
player in the game, one of the most fucking famous
wrestlers there is. Doesn't mean you have to follow in
his footsteps.

Speaker 4 (02:09:45):
You know, you can choose your own career path.

Speaker 3 (02:09:48):
I mean if I look at my parents and you
know the career paths that they took and the studies
and whatever.

Speaker 4 (02:09:56):
Genetic wise, yeah.

Speaker 3 (02:09:58):
I am my mother's son. I am my father's son.
Apps of fucking lute live path wise, Holy shit, it
couldn't be more different.

Speaker 4 (02:10:05):
Yeah, But that's the thing. Maybe you do know what
they wanted to be and what they like had quote
unquote had to be. It could be that they wanted
to be something that you are right now, but they
didn't have the capacity because as you know, when we
think about three will, do you think we have free will?
As in I could do whatever I want whenever you want.

Speaker 3 (02:10:25):
The way I want everything else one ooh, I believe
that's partially perhaps, Like I do believe there is a
path laid out for everyone. Well, I think like the
free will part is how you walk that path.

Speaker 4 (02:10:39):
So picture this. You're a dog and you are in
the middle of a squared fence. As the dog, you
can walk within the fence, but it cannot go outside
of it. You are born within that fence, and that's
the thing, like you said, that is the path that
you can say you're in a game. The game has
an ending. You can choose to come through here, through here,
through there, to stop and not do anything, but the

(02:11:02):
game has an ending, and that's the most you will
be able to do. And well, how can I understand this? First,
you are born within a specificate environment. So you were born,
for example, you in the Netherlands, I was born in Brazil.
Being born in Brazil, what are the chances that I
would be a Nordic, like a pagan Nordic. Very low.

(02:11:22):
There's not so many guys, especially in the region that
I was born, So it's not so much about free
will at that point because I wasn't even given the chance.
Let's say I wasn't even I didn't even know, Like,
how would I born in Brazil be a guy that
is good at skiing? Like I see, there's no place
to go skiing all the fight when you know what

(02:11:42):
I mean? Like that specific path likely not going to
be the one that I took. Now, what are the
odds that I was going to be a footballer? Well,
very high because in Brazil that's actually yeah, you know,
so people talk about it.

Speaker 3 (02:11:56):
So it's for a jiu jitsu grappler. You know, Brazilian
jiu jitsu jitsu I trained myself and like some of
the best grapplers out there, I mean they come from brain,
they come from Brazil. I mean, yeah, fucking obviously, that's
you know, it's where the Gracie family comes from. It's
you know, the fucking sport that they they made. Really,
I mean yeah, they took jiu jitsu from Japan and

(02:12:21):
you know they're saying and kind you know, kind of
customized it. And now i'd say that billan Brazilian jiu
jitsu is more fucking popular than like actual jiu jitsu.

Speaker 4 (02:12:32):
But you see, how again, you were born already in
an environment that will limit the choices that you have,
because some choices have a time. If you were born
in Brazil, you stay in Brazil like until you are twenty. Again,
you're not going to be an ice skiing guy because
probably every gonna even see ice lifted and so Brazil
in the theater maybe.

Speaker 3 (02:12:55):
Like the ice cube, you know, so it's probably as
far as go.

Speaker 4 (02:13:00):
So obviously Brusus is very big that there are places
which are like maybe closer tourch in dinn or whatever.
But I'm talking generally, then you have your family. So again,
if you're born in a family of doctors, what are
the odds that you become a doctor? Very high, not
for certain, but it's very heightened because they will expect
you to be one, most likely, and you are going
to have something to look up because if the options

(02:13:22):
are unlimited, well you could be you could say anything.
But the options are not unlimited. The options are kind
of limited to what you know. As we saw here
in the example. So he said, oh, my father makes
money as a doctor. Yeah, maybe i'll do this as well.
It's a simple, it's a it's an easy choice. If
most people don't think about what they want to do,
then they'll just follow whatever work for someone that they value,

(02:13:44):
let's say their parents. Then the friends you meet when
you are young. Everything really everything is probably kind of
locked you in the box, which is not a bad thing.
It's just something you've got to realize so that you
don't put crazy expectations on yourselves. And so they understand
as well, like, Okay, if there are kind of a
set at our game more or less, wouldn't it make

(02:14:08):
more sense for me to go and complete it? Because
from the way Kabbalists understand things. You programmed this character already,
so that's your astrology, that's your domination subsort, you already programmed. Sure,
when you're here you can do some changes and whatnot.
But when you were there programming, you had more agency,
more consciousness to know what you were programming. Now that
you're not here, if you don't have the consciousness of change,

(02:14:30):
you maybe are doing some bad shit and then you're
gonna come back and say, fuck, bro, I have to
go again because I didn't complete what I needed to complete. Yeah,
you know what I mean. So again, we have such
a limited choice sometimes that it just makes sense to
understand the choice and live it. Like I said in
the beginning, if you understood that your life is gonna
be like suffer, you're gonna have a hard life. And

(02:14:52):
so at least all it, you know what I mean, Like,
at least go through it and make out of that.
Transmute that into something greater, Transmute that into something that
other people can use it, and that you can use
yourself to your greatness, because there's I think it's also
what Alan Watts video where he talks about he explains
his idea that Okay, imagine you were God, and imagine

(02:15:13):
you can do everything, and then eventually you do all
the greatest challenges and you save all the princesses and
you do everything, and somebody just gets boring. So you
kind of want to do like let's say, terror stuff
and dark stuff and sad stuff, just to see how
it is. So it would be that you're going through
one of these and that's fine as well, Like it's
not if you understand where it growth through, if you
have the awareness. You have a lot of stories, even

(02:15:35):
let's say in the Bible and so Wanda, of people
going through a very difficult time being okay with it
being like okay, I get it. Like even even let's
say that the Jesus architect right in the Cross, it's
not like crying about it. It's like living through it,
you know, like he hed embody it that that experience.

Speaker 3 (02:15:54):
He is embodying the archetype. He knows that, you know,
his suffering is for the greater good. If you will
you know, yeah, I mean that's you know, that's that's
great advice. As you said, you know, don't don't limit yourself.
There is so much, so much to learn. There is
so much, so much to do. But then again, you know,

(02:16:16):
if you found your path, go walk that path. You
know you do it well, make it like yeah, make
it your path, like you own that fucking path. You know.

Speaker 4 (02:16:26):
If you're gonna do it, do it exactly. And and
that reminds me of something that I see a lot
of triggers. See sometimes when I when ibid people, they'll
ask for like the sources, like or they ask like, oh,
where can I study this? Where can I? It's like
the everything is a study already. If you have the
awareness you do need a Cabala book. You don't need nothing.

(02:16:46):
You just need to pay attention, like you are already
look into your past experiences. You already can look into
things that you repeat, it loops that you went through.
You can already see the patterns trant, see the lessons
that you're gaining. Literally, the universe speaks to you. You're
just gonna start to listen. Right, So when you have
a book, what you're doing is you're getting the point

(02:17:07):
of view of another person and you're trying to fit
into your reality. And maybe that point of view is
not the one that is going to fit your reality best.
So the advice that I can give is, if you're reading,
take what the person is saying and try to come
up with your own point of view on that. So
use the book as a as like a ignition for
your mind. It's like, Okay, I cannot think of anything

(02:17:28):
right now, Okay, get a book, open it. Oh, this
guy's talking about this interesting that is that? That like,
you start to make the connections all your own mind,
so then you will arrive at your own thoughts. And
then you start to make the correlations like why did
I get this book this week? And then most likely
you see I was also studying that which is related
to this, and then it gets like high excuse credit.

(02:17:49):
But it's really nice. It's really nice because you see
correlations exactly.

Speaker 3 (02:17:55):
And that's that's the thing, you know that I've been
you know, kind of saying and focusing on more more lately.
It's awesome to gather knowledge, you know, to to know
a lot of things, to you know, be be learned
on a lot of things. Okay, cool, let's step one.

(02:18:17):
What are you gonna do with the knowledge? Like, are
you just gonna, you know, collect knowledge for knowledge sake?
I mean, then you're basically just the nerd. You know,
you're your book you're a book keeper librarian, Yeah, bookworm librarian.
You know, you're just collecting to have a collection. Okay, cool,

(02:18:39):
But the real challenge is gather the knowledge turn it
into wisdom. If you'll, you'll you'll experience certain situations that
you know, you have heard about, that you learned about,
that you studied. And it's like, Okay, I know the situation,
I have studied the situation. I heard someone else you know,

(02:19:00):
explain this to me, talk about this with me. How
am I you know? Like, what am I going to do? Now?
Like I have the knowledge? Cool, Now let's apply that knowledge.

Speaker 4 (02:19:14):
We come back to here, right, Like, you have the
you have the technique that the book. Now you've got
to use it. And if you cannot use it, it's trash. Literally,
it wouldn't be better honestly, I.

Speaker 3 (02:19:26):
Mean yeah, Like, whether you know it or not, if
you're not going to do something with it, then like,
what what use is it? If you have the knowledge
but you're not using the knowledge, then what use is
having the knowledge? You know, if you're not going to
able to turn it into into wisdom or even into practice.
At first, you know, from practice. Also it comes wisdom

(02:19:48):
you know then yeah cool.

Speaker 4 (02:19:50):
And that's a lot of the traps that people get
into when they study code and exultism stuff as well,
especially some Twitter did the morologe space. They start to say, oh,
this and that and that and connections and one. But
like again, if you're just coming for the sake of knowing,
but they're not, it's not changing anything in your life.
First of all. If you get to know something, try

(02:20:10):
to Like now, at this point, I agree with science
and the sense that practice it like an experiment. Test
it really does, really works, really worked for me that way,
and swamwing like go to the roots. What are the
like what if if mathematician gets function, they won't go
and just like accept the function. Oh yeah that's function.
They're gonna try to prove it. So if someone comes

(02:20:32):
to you and says some bullshit like oh this means
that okay, why Like a lot of people say, oh,
the morning star is Lucifer okay, why okay? And then
gonna people are gonna say, oh lucifered morning star, Oh
it is Venus okay. Why think about the morning star?
What are what is the star that we see every

(02:20:54):
day in the morning, that gets the morning.

Speaker 3 (02:20:58):
Yeah, Venus the sun.

Speaker 4 (02:20:59):
It's bro It's like exactly, it's like why venus Venus
is not a start? And then people just you're not
They just repeat stuff over and over and over, which
in a way again it comes back to the tree
of life having multiple points of view and so on.
But sometimes the point of view you're holding to if
not helping you in any way, shape or form, So

(02:21:20):
change it, like test another one, grow out.

Speaker 3 (02:21:23):
Of it, exactly. Don't just take things for a fact. Yeah.
I spoke about this recently as well, like so why
is this, Well it is because it is no exactly,
that's that's not how things work, you know, why is this? Okay,

(02:21:44):
let's figure out why this is. This works that way? Okay, cool,
let's figure out why it works that way. And it's
like okay, so we found out why it works that way.

Speaker 4 (02:21:56):
Cool.

Speaker 3 (02:21:57):
Then you know, like why keep you know, keep going
to the mo keep asking questions, you know, and it's
it's like, as you said, like every sphere has a
tree in of itself, you know, you go deeper and
deeper and deeper and deeper, and that's that is true infinity.
Infinity is not you know, it's not out there, it's
you know, in here. It's it's funny like you spoke

(02:22:20):
about the Philosopher's Stone in alchemy. I just quite recently
had an alchemist on the show.

Speaker 4 (02:22:25):
Yes, the episode aired last Saturday, I believe.

Speaker 3 (02:22:29):
Yeah, it's the the most recent one that that aired.
And he gave a beautiful analogy of how to how
to find your Philosopher's stone. And you know, in the end,
he did say, like, Okay, am I gonna like now
that I found it? Am I going to keep it
to myself? Or am I gonna you know, am I
going to share it?

Speaker 4 (02:22:48):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (02:22:49):
With the world? You know I found it?

Speaker 4 (02:22:51):
Okay?

Speaker 3 (02:22:52):
Cool? Now what am I gonna do with it? Am
I going to be selfish? When I can? I know
where it is, I know where it can be be found.
I can always get more, so I might as well
share it with everyone else. I found the treasure. I
found the gold, I you know, transmuted it. Now let's
help everyone else. Because I know where it is. I

(02:23:12):
can tap into that source again, yeah, exactly, and just
get more.

Speaker 4 (02:23:16):
Exactly. It's again to come back here, right, you found
the Philosopher's Stone, the Magnum oats. You discipline, and then
you share discipline and share. That is, if you want
to do the be call the like the serpent paths
or the dove pass when it's like from the bottom up.
And why because you just work more sperious. It's nicer,
you have more past because otherwise, let's suppose you came

(02:23:37):
here and you came to this side, right, most likely
you when you're quote unquote up there, you're gonna say, oh,
but I didn't work these ones yet, so we're gonna
come back and I'll we're gonna work this. It's like
it's gonna work all of them already. Now why not,
you know, just do it?

Speaker 3 (02:23:53):
Yeah, Like if you're gonna if you're gonna go down
and be like, oh but I didn't do this, well,
then let's do that.

Speaker 4 (02:23:58):
Yeah, just do it.

Speaker 3 (02:24:00):
Then just do it right away.

Speaker 4 (02:24:01):
You know, there are there are three things that keep
people coming back. Three main things, and the Greeks understood
it as the cerberus the dog. The tree had the
dog that are haities. You have fears, you have vices,
and you have guilt. So everything that you have as
a fear is going to keep you coming back. Everything
that has a vice going to keep you coming back

(02:24:22):
and as a guilt. Vice and guilt is very easy
to understand it, Right, If I, if I have the
vice of alcohol and I die, I'll become like a
ghost fucking looking for people that drink alcohol so that
I can get that energy because you cannot drink as
a ghost, but it can get to people that are
drinking and have the same feeding. So think about that
not only next time you're drinking, but next time you're
eating out, next time you're having sex, the next time

(02:24:43):
you're doing anything. There are some people around law and
it's not bad. It's just that you understand that. You
don't understand how how vices can be dangerous, not because
of the chemical part, but because of this the spiritual part,
because that's the thing. If you understand what you're doing,
that doesn't be I'm a problem more. First of all,
because they cannot reach you, because most likely you are
in a that's called it vibration, high enough vibrations that

(02:25:06):
they literally cannot reach you. They cannot see you. Or
you know how to protect yourself, Oh you know how
even to quote unquote use them. You can say like hey,
gro yeah, you know you think a little bit, but
go they do something, Go help me with something as well,
you know, don't just don't get it from me, like
go go, yes, help me outah. So so you have this.
Those are devices very to understand why they would keep
you here. Guilt's the same. You go out and you realize, fuck, man,

(02:25:31):
I was such a bad kid to my mom, like
I gotta do something about it now, even if let's
say next time I'm going to be her father or whatever,
like we got to serve this out. Mind you. Not
always the story that you see when you're up there
are true, just like you're seeing movies like Men in
Black and the Matrix, Like memories can and will be implanted.
So that's why you need a consciousness to know what

(02:25:51):
exactly quote unquod is not is and and you understand
how even though some action may seem bad, having the
guilt of doing it doesn't serve you in any shape
in any way, just like throw out of it, like
understand surpacity and that's it. Don't they'll become like don't
don't put heaviness. That's what the Egyptians would say. You
you will weight your heart with the feather of mod

(02:26:14):
like don't make your heart be heavy, you know, like
make it beast. Those are very sort of said that fears.
It's a little bit harder. But the idea is that
if you have the fear of let's say you have
paranoia with with spiders or something, you're this is on
your head and all of these fears that have very

(02:26:35):
concrete fears but also strange thoughts that you didn't control.
Let's say you you thought of an elephant, and then
you thought of a bat, and then you thought of fire,
and now these thoughts combined into an an ephant with
bad means that throw fire or something. There's some random
ship this is in your mind. That's pretty epic. Actually,
it's right some people, but some people imagine like Catholic

(02:26:58):
none heaviness. It's like it is like the devil or something, right,
And so yeah, okay, those uncontrolled symbols they become these
k maras, these things that again, when you don't have
the flesh anymore, they are a parent and you cannot
remove them if you don't know the tools to remove them.
So they're just gonna, you know, fuck with you until

(02:27:18):
that's purgatory, until you person them till you clear them.
Now you're okay, I'm wake up again. But that's problem.
While you were doing this, it's very likely that you
come back to you now one. And that's the thing
about kabbala. You start to understand how to deal with
all these different things. But if you don't, if you
don't study, that's fine. At least know that this happens

(02:27:40):
in like find your way of dealing with them, because
you see, let's say, in some shamanic exercises, you have
similar things in some Nordic things, like people will do
death initiations. They will be put into caves, they will
be putting like underwater and so on so that they
can know or even in Christian terms, like you have
a second burse or whatever, right, yeah, a rebirth exactly.

Speaker 6 (02:28:03):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (02:28:04):
Those are just again symbolic initiations, things you go through
so that you can deal with the symbol. It's always
it's always a symbol that you have to deal with,
like a programming you have to deal with, and then
you can go past, because otherwise you just keep coming
back and back and back, and bro, nobody want to
do this. It's not nice.

Speaker 3 (02:28:21):
I don't want to do this forever. I don't I
don't want to do this, you know, this this human
thing to eternity. I mean, I don't mind if I
have to do it, you know, a couple more times.
If I have to, you know, learn some more things,
that's fine. But at a certain point I would just
like to be up there. I don't have to do

(02:28:42):
this anymore because it's not fun. A different simulator, you know,
it's maybe that doesn't fuck with your memory every.

Speaker 4 (02:28:50):
Time play play a different game, I mean, the human
the human.

Speaker 3 (02:28:55):
Game, it's you know, yeah, it's it's fun while it lasts,
and it's you know, I've been around the block a
few times. I get it, and yeah, there's still work
that I need to be doing, and I will, but like,
can I that at least when I have learned everything
and I play a different from.

Speaker 4 (02:29:13):
Exactly that's a tweet.

Speaker 3 (02:29:17):
Well, dude, like we've been going for two and a
half hours.

Speaker 4 (02:29:21):
That was really nice. They didn't even feel it.

Speaker 3 (02:29:24):
No, And yeah, but I mean that's that's just what
happens when you have just so many things to talk
about and so many things you can relate it to,
like for everyone watching, for everyone listening, thank you for
sticking with us. I know, This is a long one,
but we have touched on so many things. This bound
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(02:29:46):
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that you know makes you a better person.

Speaker 4 (02:29:58):
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Speaker 3 (02:30:00):
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You know you can send me messages on social media
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(02:30:34):
It's a long, long one, but I uh, you know,
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Speaker 4 (02:30:43):
I need to have it sink in all.

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What with the editing process, I'll you know, I'm gonna
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Speaker 4 (02:30:52):
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Speaker 4 (02:31:01):
So that's a good initiation. It's a good initiation exactly.

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