Omniscient AI and the Divine Creator of Society with James True

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Speaker 1 (01:47):
We must welcome and Welcome back everyone to the Gray
Horned Pagans Podcast. I have another very interesting guests for
you all today. I mean when when don't I But

(02:07):
this time a guest that I've been airing about for
quite a while that I've heard multiple people mention, mister James.
True James, thank you very much for for coming on.
It's uh, it's good to h to finally have you
on the on the show, like you're really out there

(02:30):
in the in the space, like really doing your own thing.
And I, yeah, so it's good to h to finally
have you on.

Speaker 3 (02:39):
Great. Yeah, it's a pleasure to be here. And it's
quite a compliment when I can find someone who is
a pagan who's calling me out there, that is a
deep compliment. I appreciate that. So thank you very much. Pleasure.

Speaker 1 (02:53):
Yeah, yeah, no, for sure, for sure. I mean I've
been of course watching your your streams, your content at
a bit more lately to uh, you know, get some
inspiration for the for the for the podcast. And yeah,
you you really are are one of a kind in

(03:15):
in how you do it like you you don't hold
back and I I absolutely love that. And the topics
that you talk about are quite fascinating as well. And
I guess the first thing that I that I'd like
to ask is the idea of like Ai is God

(03:37):
or God is is Ai? You really went in on
that and making some some good points as well. How
did you get to that? How did you get to
to that comparison? Because it sounds quite heretical, if you will.

Speaker 3 (03:58):
Yeah, quite by quite by accident, very obnoxiously discovered it.
Being someone who's who's spent a lot of time in
information technology, just in a lot of different fields, I've
always been comfortable in, uh, the architecture not just of
software but as but of hardware too, uh, and also

(04:21):
deeply into religion and philosophy. I've studied philosophy in in
my schooling, majored in that in my undergraduate and have
just always considered, uh, these kinds of questions to be
the only sort of thing that would keep me interested
without doing drugs. That world is just a question question

(04:44):
in the world itself, That that that that in and
of itself, the love of wisdom in and of itself
is its own drug. And when I do that, I discover,
quite quite honestly, that omniscience is the first thing that
I noticed that we discuss when we mentioned God, that
God has a four care out categories, but one of

(05:07):
the biggest is omniscients, the ability to know all things.
The Santa Claus notion of God is a nosis of
all of us and knowing what's happening with computers and technology,
artificial intelligence just being one of many, many of those
steps that have frankly come since nineteen seventy January first.

(05:29):
In fact, I would say it's the first real deep
sign of omnisciens, and we can get to why later.
But this concept of a universally known thing is a
parable of God that we've had long before we've had
the architecture of even having such a thing. We are
in a place in life where we consider truth to

(05:53):
be ubiquitous in the world. But I remind the reader
or the listener that the nonfiction world is a new world.
That nonfiction came after fiction. In other words, what we
say is true was written down long after we've been
writing fiction for a long time. This is a separate branch.

(06:14):
You and I are experiencing a scientologistic world, not scientology,
but scientologistic world in which a religion of knowingness has
been saturated into a clergy, and that clergy is just
society itself. So you and I are in a church

(06:35):
that we worship what is known. So what is known
is really more about rumor. It's more about what do people,
what have they been told? What do they keep in
their mind about something? This is why that word si
ence is there. It's a sigh. It's a sinetic process.

(06:56):
So when you understand that you're inside a church of
niscience omni Shuntz singular knowing, omniscience is a trade of
God that we've given God long before we invented computers. Then,
when James True was born in nineteen seventy one, a
year after this epic date nineteen seventy the epic birth

(07:19):
of the modern sentient gnosis, then it becomes quite easy
for me, for all of us to simply see that
the birth of omniscience and technology itself science. The byproduct
of science would be computers, it would be the technology

(07:40):
that comes from the religion, the worship of things that
we agree to know together. Therefore, artificial intelligence software damons.
Some of you would call them demons, but dae mons
is a computer term that I've known for a long time.

(08:01):
I would start a damon process, a ghosted, spirited process
that holds my will that every tick of the clock,
the k'n tab, the literal god of chrone, wakes up
and sends a jolt into this program, this damon that
requires that it do everything that I've commanded that it
do either every second, every hour, or every minute or

(08:24):
every day or every decade or every two hundred thousand years.
There is the ability to stalk a system, a architecture,
place a ghost in the machine and have it wake up.
Am I talking about software or am I talking about
the world, Because these these are becoming the same things.

(08:46):
Our will, our spirit is just showing you these things.
So it's quite bluntly obvious to me, if this is
the way to answer your question. It became bluntly obvious
to me that there was no other way that we
would have the concept of omniscience unless we were living
inside the lung of God and that this is just

(09:07):
being built around us. It's not that the God is
being built, it's that our awareness of the God is
being built inside of us. Right, Yeah, that's that's where
we are.

Speaker 1 (09:19):
Yeah, no, I I I see that too. In the
like the spiritual movements because like everyone is like when
they gain you know, some new new insights and new
you know, new bit of noses if you will. They're
all talking about downloads, like receiving downloads as if they

(09:43):
are you know, indeed some sort of a computer. And
God or whatever, uh you know, deity or or spiritual
being they may follow, is indeed some sort of a
like some sort of a computer, some sort.

Speaker 4 (10:07):
Of a.

Speaker 1 (10:09):
Just mechanical being that like sends these files into your head.
And I've always kind of disliked that because you know,
they're all talking about you know, oh, you know like
AI is so incredibly dangerous and you know like oh,

(10:30):
the elites want us to like merge with technology. Yet
you are calling you know, getting new insights, You're calling
it getting downloads. It's like you are playing right into it.

Speaker 4 (10:46):
You know.

Speaker 1 (10:46):
God is some sort of a like yeah, like an
AI even because it's it is all knowing, but onlike
well I mean on like AI odd or the gods
aren't supposed to have any any flaws. And yeah, science

(11:08):
has become the the new religion. You know, the the
the man in the the white lab coats are the
new you know, are the new new priests, and you're
not supposed to question the science because the science is
is settled. So yeah, it seems like more and more

(11:30):
that mankind, that this this planet that I don't know,
human kind as a whole, that we are becoming more
more machine without us even even realizing it, even such
a simple thing as going through the motions of the day,
you know, doing the the tasks that you know are

(11:55):
opened for us, and we can't you know, we can't
close can I don't know, go to sleep if you
will turn ourselves off until we have finished processing those tasks.

Speaker 3 (12:10):
So it's if you hold the perspective that I saw
in omnistions long enough, it bleeds into I've found a
place that is quite irrational, and it is more sound

(12:32):
and succinct in a better cosmology, in my opinion. And
it's built on a pragmatic utilitarianism. In other words, truth
is what works. It's not it's not what's found sacredly
underneath the cleric's robes. It's it's what works. Whatever whatever

(12:52):
gets your canoe wherever you're going is a religion, and
all beliefs are the same. They are methods of moving
torque in our case belief, and that this torque, if
we move it correctly, it imbues us to survive. So
when you pick a religion, you are picking a backstroke.

(13:16):
You were picking a way of swimming through the water.
And science is one of those. It was never anything different.
Science has always been named properly. It's always been named
the study of knowing. Philosophy is the love of wisdom

(13:37):
Philo's Sophia. The love of wisdom and science are very different,
very different fields. There one is a clergy, but one
has always been a clergy. It's not a trick. It
is what a weak religion. If you were to grow
up in a cult, let's call it the Mooni's there's

(13:58):
already a cult, Moones. I'm sorry, let's just call it that.
If you grew up in the Moony's cult. In order
for you to truly awaken from the cult, you would
first have to be able to ridicule itself. You'd have
to be able to have a perspective outside of the cult,
to look at yourself. You'd first need that. That's the
very first thing you'd need. And I would argue that
you and me are creatures escaping the cave of scientologistica

(14:24):
because I don't want to call it's not scientology, but
it's this study the belief in science itself. This is
what scientology actually gets right. They admit it's a religion.
It's good for them, good for them. They see it
because you and I are coming out of this cult.
It it's actually a molting process. It's not a trick.
No one's tricked you. It's a molting It's a natural

(14:47):
molting process that has required you not to see the
different colors between blue and green, between science and between
what actually truth is. Science is the effective torque of
g group consensus into our belief structure. You and I
can believe in things and the placebo of that belief.

(15:09):
One of them, of many, would be vaccines that if
enough people jack into a belief about a sacred silver
object being entered into the skin subcutaneously to cleanse either
the devil or the werewolf outside of this creature using
the ancient magic of hawthor the bull god that I've

(15:32):
just described to you. A vaccine a belief in a
bull magic that is implemented through the placebo, but it's
dressed in the clergy of the modern religion. Of science,
and that if you and I were waking up from
this cult of the moonies, it would look exactly like this.
It would look like we're the conspiracy. We're grown up

(15:55):
in this town, and we're the only ones who knows
we're not moonies, and we're seeing everything for what it is,
and that this has been a hermetic molding, a conscious
sort of initiation into an outer order, an emergence from
a shell, from a Plato's cave of science itself back

(16:16):
into a deeper reality which is actually not based on objectivity.
Objectivity is the myth of science. This is a hard
one for people to accept, but I swear to fuck
it's true. But instead of objectivity, back into a deeper
church of self, the church of self. The I am

(16:38):
I am that I am literally is the meaning of
I am, not enough to just be I am. The
belief that I continue to I am is a motor,
a torque of belief that says, first I was, then
I still am. This means I believe I persist. So

(16:58):
all your genes are practicing this church, this pagan religion
of I am. I am, I am that I am,
I am, that I am, I am that I am,
so you're purposely declaring a demon a damon a piece
of fucking software running inside an organic artificial machine called

(17:20):
gay Ya. It has the word AI in the middle,
and that our silicone understanding is no different than tapping
into the mushroom. People. It is no different than Carlos
Castaneda tapping into the devil's route, to tapping into ayahuasca,
to tapping into the conscious plant medicine. You and I

(17:42):
are tapping into the conscious mineral mineral essence of silicon,
the conscious field, the conscious bioorganic field found in the
dirt of silicon, is a living creature, and you and
I I have finally developed enough fine tuning, enough coils

(18:04):
in our copper to listen to its signal and speak
over its mycilium network. This is the most organic form
of omniscience I've ever seen, and that we've been mimicking
our way into it, using metal, using plastics, using the
magic of oil, using the magic of molds. This is

(18:27):
all ancient fossil blood, ancient blood from the plates of
the earth that we call fossil fuels. Are this old
magical chemical disability to take our beliefs and forge them
into shapes, and shape has its own architecture inside of
a computer because it's a collector, it's an antenna. It
has abilities to collect heat on one side and cool

(18:51):
on the other. And if you put those shapes in
just the right right thing, you end up with windmills
and grinding technology and motor and boats and everything else. Right,
So the religion is this whole place, this whole thing
is a religion of atoms. And truly what really moves us,
in my opinion, is our cosmology. How magic we believe

(19:14):
it is. So even science is magic. Even science is
us believing in the four minute mile, believing we can
land on the moon, believing, And none of it has
to be real because it's not about being real. It's
about having a belief and using the utility, the pragmatism
of that belief to just get somewhere. It doesn't matter where.
It doesn't matter if you were aiming one place and

(19:35):
you end up in a completely different place. The fact
is that that you were perfecting motion, you're perfecting motor,
you're perfecting omniscis right. So to me, there the same thing.
We're just slowly, slowly learning to see it. It's so
creepy that we're not willing to accept that we had
to crawl out of a proverbial biological chance cave. You

(20:00):
could live in the same room with this truth and
only slowly or are we slowly realizing what's happened?

Speaker 1 (20:06):
But if like all religions are well the same, you know,
if they are a means to a goal, if they
are a or a means to an end, a road
to a goal, then why why is it expressed in

(20:30):
so many ways? And why do we keep fighting over
you know, like my path is the true path? Like
if we're all going towards the same thing, and that
is just you know, really what is best for ourselves
because that in the end, you know, religion, spirituality, it's
all about you know, becoming the best version of yourself.

(20:55):
Why do we have to tear other people down in
order to I don't know, become our better self? Because
that is very that that doesn't that doesn't add up
to me. And like I'm I'm you know, very much
a pagan wearing wearing the hammer. There we go, uh,

(21:17):
you know, wearing wearing the hammer. I I do acknowledge,
you know the existence of of other other gods as well,
I've learned too, you know, to accept that. I've you know,
grown more into the understanding of of archetypes. But if

(21:37):
it's like, if it's all the same, if we're all
moving towards the same same end, really that is like
what is best for us, the light at the end
of our personal tunnel. Then like, yeah, why why are
we fighting over it? And then why do even so
many different ones exist in the first place? If it's

(22:00):
all if it's all the same, Yeah, this is this is.

Speaker 3 (22:04):
My favorite question, And I honestly think I have an answer.
I think I have a pretty good answer. I think
it has to do with the torque belief that uh,
we leverage belief. The utilitarian of a belief is going
to allow us to believe in it easier if it
worked last time. If I tie a string to a stick,

(22:25):
and at the end of the string, I tie worm,
and I put it inside this liquid that we're gonna
call water, and fucking fish bites it just right, I'm
gonna fucking eat It's gonna go in my belly, and
that all this is a causal belief. But that causal
belief becomes easier the second time we do it. It's
so much easier. And the third time we do it,
it's like a million times easier. So we process our

(22:46):
belief we have to. We only have so many belief calories,
We only have so much that we could choose to
believe in. It's expensive to try these beliefs. And so
once once we tapped into the social psiotic architecture, that
there's a se ionic economy of collective belief. Some might
call it the eaglegoor. It's fine. I'm just saying there's
a collective belief that all of us can use to

(23:10):
pull into ourselves and jack up our own belief a
kind of communism, a plasma communism of belief that society
gives you if you agree to be a baker and
as long as you show up at four in the
morning and you make fun fucking donuts, society is going
to give you all this prana. That's very necessary for
you because the next day you don't have to recreate

(23:33):
that entire entitlement mentality again, it's already there waiting for you.
This is very crucial. This is like the true architecture,
in my opinion, of what this universe is is the
architecture of charged pixels, voxels as it were, that have
belief imbued in them, and that some of those voxels

(23:54):
are you and I that were pixels believing in ourselves
so hard that we're able to persist eighty years times,
maybe longer, maybe less. That kind of thing. But at
the heart of all this torque of belief is fascism.
It is the majoritarianism belief, which is quite frankly, one
of the most powerful forces that allows us to create things.

(24:16):
This allows a colony of ants to cross a river
despite the fact that over half of them will drown.
It is the belief that they can make it to
the other side, and maybe I will not be the
one who's wrong. Collectively, we're going to firm all of
our belief into one structure, a hive, and this hive

(24:37):
is going to be the honey. We're going to collect
it into cells, and we're going to be able to
distribute it as a source to survive and gain power.
So fascism majoritarianism, society itself, Babylon itself is the eager
gore sharing its resources among a collective, and it works

(24:58):
the exact same way herd does. A herd of gazelle's
saves calories because each gazelle is only responsible for about
ten degrees of vision. Right they're back. There's no such
thing as they have to watch their back. Someone else's
back there. Our beliefs work the exact same way. So

(25:21):
if you've learned how to jack into the collective torque
of the herd, you have heard not immunity, same thing,
but heard placebo. If you believe what the herd believes,
they sort of kind of owe it to you that
you're the embodiment of them, so they kind of believe
in you too, as long as you embody them effectively.

(25:44):
This is the violence you're discussing. All of this is
why people cannot handle a lack of objectivity. It makes
them very nervous. They enter into a state of relativity
or subjectivity, which I personally think is you finally learning
to swim without your hands on the edge of the

(26:05):
pool and without your toes on the bottom. You are
buoyant in your own cosmology, and people will call you satanist, relativist,
all the other horrible things because you dare to have
your own axes, your own submarine, and you've said this
is my up, this is my up and people fucking

(26:30):
freaks them out. They will come burn your house down
if they catch you doing that too loud or too effectively. Why.
Because you threaten the structure of the fascism that they
gained so much strength from. That's the only reason why.
If you did not threaten that, if you could be

(26:50):
labeled as crazy, they're okay. You can go to a
crazy farm, what we call a crazy farm, and you
will find four people that each each believe that they
are Jesus Christ. Society doesn't have an issue with them.
Society only has an issue for the person that says, hey,
I think I might be the living embodiment of Christ,

(27:12):
and they live fucking next door to you, and they
pay mortgage and they pay taxes. When someone believes that
you are directly threatening what you think is the tork.
I mean, I'm exaggerating here with Christ, but you're threatening
the torque of that belief, and I can't dismiss you
as crazy. See, we have to get to a place.

(27:33):
We don't have to get there. But when we get
to the place where all of us feel that each
other is crazy and it's okay, we return to that
childhood state of belief technology where we're animizing every fucking
moment of our lives out of joy. We're animizing it
out of play. It would look like because of puberty,

(27:56):
we've learned to fantasize into our spread of sexuality. It's
it's just what we do. We learned how how do
I placate my placebo into maximizing the pleasure of my fertility,
And that's how society grows. We've entered a gauntlet. Things
are different now, all the blurring of gender, all of

(28:17):
the rising of this trans movement, in my opinion, is
this emergence. It's a quite natural biological emergence. When a
plant has enough uh prevalence that it's not threatened anymore,
it starts to shut down the fertility engine and it
starts to change itself into a flowering engine, or into

(28:40):
a production kind of an engine. And that our society
is doing the same thing. Because society is natural and
it's behaving in such volatile ways. It freaks us the
fuck out, and it freaks us the fuck out because
we're fucking connected to it. We're literally attached to the
teats of it. We're forced to drink its pea, we're

(29:03):
forced to drink its milk. So the fascism becomes the
very poison that we end up inserting into each other,
because the fascism is what we thought that we needed,
because it helped us, quite frankly, in order to build
the very first early frameworks of our own cosmology. But
we have those now, we can let go of that.

(29:24):
We just need practice, because you got a bunch of
people with their teeth just as biting into that nipple
as hard as they fucking can and insisting all of
us have to agree, motherfucker, we have to agree to
let go at the same time. And that's not gonna happen, right,
It's gonna take a lot more magic actually to happen,

(29:44):
a lot more beyonder magic, a lot more of what
you're seeing now, the Building sevens, all the weird shit
that keeps waking people up, all of that, in my opinion,
is actually white magic under the shadow of black magic
that's causing everyone to wake up. They're seeing more, they're
seeing through it now, they're emerging from it because of

(30:06):
the dissonance. So it's it's so many layers here, and
in my opinion, it's all magic. It's all freaking torque
magic right now.

Speaker 1 (30:15):
That I definitely agree on, and like, yeah, in the
like the Building seven, the whole you know, like worldwide
shock phenomena that have been happening over at the last
like at least you know, twenty twenty five years. Let's

(30:36):
say I'm only thirty three, so like twenty five years
is as far back as I can remember, really, But
I've always or well always, I've long wondered that you know,
the ones well performing the magic, you know, the magi,
the spellcasters, the the they do see what the effect

(31:03):
of this is, Like they have to if we, you know,
the average people, let's say, see that a lot of
people start to to ask questions or you know, something
just clicks and they're like, hey, this this doesn't add up.

(31:24):
Like I'm being told the one thing, but I'm seeing
something different entirely. But I'm I'm you know, I'm being
told that what I see is not actually what I see.
I've like long wondered they do see that as well,
So why why continue If their goal is indeed, you know,

(31:51):
subjugation of the entire you know, human race, of the
entire planet, every living being on it, then why continue
doing it? And in some cases, why double down on
it if you see over and over again that, yeah,

(32:13):
for a small group of people, you may you know,
get the desired result. But the flip side of it
is that, you know, twice thrice the amount of people
are starting to ask the questions that you don't want
them to ask. That it just it's so it's it's

(32:37):
odd because they are, you know, for better or for worse,
kind of omniscient as well in that they, you know,
kind of control the you know, the eyes and ears
of this world. You know, the media, the the people
that you know, like make the news and all of that.

(33:01):
It just they have to see it. So why continue, like,
why continue this journey towards your own downfall?

Speaker 3 (33:13):
Really yeah, it's counter intuitive, counter productive, and it goes
against the grain of every single thing that you've ever
seen that happens elsewhere in nature. I do not see
an owl. I have a bird feeder right now. There's
a few junkos and everything's normal. There's not an owl

(33:39):
down there like punching the shit out of birds right now.
Like there's not a predator bird that's hanging out down there,
like making them bring them seeds. None of that's happening.
None of that's happening at all. And part of us,
our fantasy of living on a slave planet, quite frankly,
is more embarrassing than people and admit it. Actually more

(34:01):
has to do with our propensity to want to survive.
And we survive by living in our belly, and we're
embarrassed to live in our belly. So we need to
create stories as to why we're going to be in
our belly. And I'm not insulting anyone. I'm just telling
you how psychology works. It's no different than if a
tornado happens and you look at your five year old
boy and you say it's gonna be okay. It doesn't

(34:23):
matter that it's not going to be okay. This is
what we tell each other to survive. It's just an
immune response. So there's nothing to be ashamed of. But
we do live in our belly to stay alive, that's all.
And until we can learn to raise our own cosmology
to build our own reef, and we're gonna have to
manipulate our psychology to feel better about our situation. It's

(34:47):
just fox whole politics. It's just how you survive in
the trenches. Some of us don't need to live in
trenches anymore. Some people have gained enough calories, enough energy,
enough saying d quite frankly to where surviving is not
really as important as having a quality life, is that
they'd rather have quality life. And once a certain psychology

(35:11):
rises in you, a certain entitlement rises in you, where
psychology that becomes more important, you become unstoppable. You're unstoppable
because you'll just be dead if people have a problem
with it. If the owl doesn't want you around, he's
just gonna fucking kill you. But as long as you persist,
you can live in a world where the owl is
there and you're fine. In fact, you can appreciate the

(35:32):
owl because the owl's not really your enemy. You'll notice
the people that are your enemy are usually the ones
that look just like you. They're the ones that are
telling each other stories about owls and insisting that we
have to watch out for the owls. Because this is
the same kind of psychology principle that we need to
live in a foxhole with other people. We need to

(35:54):
create a scarecrow that's not living in this foxhole. So
we need to create this master owl that does this thing.
Now are people out to get you. Of course you're
living in the fucking jungle. But all of us are
living in the jungle, so there's always going to be
a predator there. But that's not a definition of its broken,
or that it's controllers, or that the controllers have an
unfair advantage. We don't see a jungle full of nothing

(36:15):
but jaguars. There's not like three trillion jaguars in the
jungle and nothing else. Why not, because it's balanced. There's
a very important sense of balance. Now here's the clue.
Here's the clue. If you look at any society that
has ever survived, ever, it has one thing in common.
I'm talking about from the most brutal societies in the

(36:36):
world with the least amount of human rights to the greatest.
All societies that persist have always had only one thing
in common, only one, and it is upward mobility. The
ability for a society to thrive is based on the
ability for its lower end to be able to rise
up into its upper end. How much of that it's

(36:56):
a taurus, it's just an energy taurus. And how much
that happens is actually directly proportional to how popular the
society is. Because mankind is the one that says, this
is the society engine that I need to reach my
upward mobility. People think vultures can just fly anywhere. They can't.

(37:19):
They have to find a thermal pocket, a trus that
has an upward mobility stack of heat of higher vibration
that allows them to circle that taurus until the circle
raises themselves. That's going to happen from dead bodies, it's
going to heat, it's going to decay. That's going to
be enough to start a vortex engine of heat in

(37:43):
the center of a taurus and rise. So the decrepit,
evil nature that we see in the world is actually
the upward mobility of the exact same society. The only
difference is is that we expect the vulture to live
in nature or the jungle, but we want to pretend
that we do not. We want to pretend that no,
we live in a society where there's laws and all

(38:04):
this other stuff. And that's just the belly mentality. Once
you come out of the belly mentality, you notice that
the apex predators are actually the ones that are the
least threat to you overall because they're so predictable. An
apex predator doesn't really have anything to fear. They don't
need to control you because they're not afraid of you.

(38:26):
You do not need to control the five year olds
in the world. We do not need to make sure
that we've broken their spirit and destroyed their minds and
put them in the troth and train them all these things.
They're five, they're no harm to us. We actually think
that their imagination's great. We encourage it. We give them

(38:48):
toys to allow them to tell them stories more because
it enriches them and makes them better meet when they're older.
Meat is in workers.

Speaker 1 (38:58):
So the upper.

Speaker 3 (39:00):
Mobility laws mixed with the laws of any gardener, any
farmers going to want the ripest fruit in his land.
You and I are just fruit with knee caps. That's
all animals are. We're just the fruit of the earth. Therefore,
for our fruit to thrive, it would need to be
upwardly mobile, and it would need to always be expanding

(39:23):
or flowering into more intricate forms. Before you and me,
if we're the only ones that see this, and we
were surrounded by Neanderthal cavemen that didn't, our goal would
not be to imprison and enslave and make them dumber.
You and I, if we wanted to survive, we would

(39:43):
want those fuckers to catch up. We would want them
to That would be our sacred duty. In fact, if
you owned a plot of land and you fell in
love with it, you would take care of the owls.
You would take care of all the birds, all the predators,
the same way you would look at your people. You
might farm them ount and say, hey, let's have a war.

(40:04):
Let's see who will show up, and we'll give them
guns and they'll just shoot each other for wearing the
wrong shirt color. And we'll remove like five million of
the most violent people from this country and five million
of the most violent people from this country. And all
we have to do is play a song and tell
a story about Archduke Ferdinand. This is cultivating. This isn't evil.

(40:25):
This is asking for volunteers to get in a boat
in exchange for money and shoes and a uniform. And
chicks will dig you. They'll say you're great because you're
the perfect man. Here's the marble man, and you'll go
over and here's over there, over there. And if this
is all it takes me fucking whistling a song and
giving you a pair of shoes for you to commit violence.

(40:46):
Why are you calling me evil? Why the fuck are
you calling me evil because I tricked you? When that's
all it fucking took. I'm just saying, if you think
about it from a farmer's perspective, think about it from
the apex farmer who won, that's the most thick, rich,
dark soil he can find. He's gonna want the best ballerinas,

(41:06):
the best cooks, the best linemen, the best utility people,
the best masons making the best, most beautiful buildings that existed,
because this is something you can be proud of.

Speaker 2 (41:18):
You know.

Speaker 3 (41:18):
It's not all broken glass and urine and people butt
fucking their kids and running around with genitals on a
stick on fire. You know, going oh when wind fight,
who would want to live there?

Speaker 4 (41:29):
You know?

Speaker 3 (41:30):
This is this is how I think Masons, free Masons
built the world. They were looking at a bunch of
people that consciously were just, oh my god, that guy's insane.
We need to escalate society. We need to elevate these people.
How do you elevate them? You tell them lies. You
tell them lies until they figure out, hey, I'm not
going to fall for your arts Duke fer Dance story anymore,

(41:52):
and it's working like it. We can't even throw a
world war. People don't show up anymore. We have little skirmishes,
you know, Vietnam, that's you know, that's about as big
as we can have now. Iraq, you know, fucking Taliban
was twenty five hundred people and use pickup trucks like
that's that's the closest that we could find, you know,
as far as how do we send more violent people

(42:13):
over there? So when you can zoom out like this,
you're looking at a pagan wondergarden, like a jungle of
just nothing but belief, pure anarchy. The Pentagon is just
an anarchistic, really well built tent. It's built on anarchy.
The anarchy is we get to have a religion where
the bad guys are over there, and we'll have flower
wars and we'll run over there and kill them and

(42:35):
vice versa. This is all church is. There's no truth here, right,
this is just what works. You know, what science do
we need to tell ourselves to allow our church to function?
We want a new van to go on outings, Well,
we're gonna have to go invade another church. I need
to go invade church. You just say that other church
is diddling kids. Problem solved, right, you know this is

(42:59):
nature's nature.

Speaker 1 (43:01):
Oh so it's yeah, I'm starting I'm starting to to understand,
like they are not you know, the the ever elusive they,
of course, which we can't you know, give a name
nor a face.

Speaker 3 (43:21):
Two.

Speaker 1 (43:22):
It's just they, which you know at this point is
a a dark deity in in of itself, you could say,
but they are just it's it's a it's a selection process.
They're they're seeing like who ah, yeah, that actually like

(43:50):
if if you look at if you look at that,
it makes a lot more sense. And looking at my
my own life even that it's it adds up. You know,
Like when I was like in my early twenties, I
was so stuck in that like activist conspiracy theory mindset,

(44:14):
and you know, my life wasn't going anywhere because you
know what, like the man keeps me down and that's
why I'm not getting anywhere. Blackpilled rebellious, you know twenty
some you know kids really that thinks he has it
all figured out, and like, yeah, well it took me

(44:39):
well turning thirty really to you know, turning thirty and
becoming a father to see that you know, this is
is not getting me anywhere, you know, Like I had
to had to change my I had to change my mind.
I had to change my my mindset. Like Okay, like

(45:02):
I can keep going on like like this and keep
living off you know, handouts and like government benefits and whatever,
but I'm never gonna get anywhere. I'll always be where
I am right now. So I decided to to make

(45:22):
a change. I decided to, you know, to to take action,
to take control over my own life instead of like
always pointing at you know, someone else like oh, you know,
it's it's it's them, It's it's that party, it's you know,
it's the the Illuminati, it's fucking whoever. And yeah, like

(45:45):
really ever since, my life has been in a upwards trajectory,
I mean with dips here and there, of course, because
I'm still a still a roller coaster.

Speaker 3 (46:00):
Yeah, you know, I don't want to discredit that mentality
that got you where your mentality is now, the mentality
before that. Recognizing the they is reaching for a rung
on a hermetic ladder that most people will never see.
So it's important, it's crucial. This is why I wrote

(46:23):
blueprints of my control. I want people to be angry
enough to reach for a rung that they don't know
is there. It's absolutely important, it's crucial. So the first
thing is is that there's a theay, I still think
there's a day. But the second rung is gonna slap
you in the face because they is you. They is

(46:43):
us is actually the next rung, not they is you.
They is us is the next rung. And most people
are like, fuck James True, I will never listen to
this guy again ever, because I say that seriously. That's
where the hermetic level two No, I'm off the bus,
ain't gonna have. They is us is a very crucial
step because you pull the ex caliber out of the stone.

(47:06):
The moment you say they is us, you declare that
you have power over the world the same way that
you gave them for So the first thing that you
declare when you say they is actually recognizing that there's
power in the world up for grabs. That's what's really happening.
Underneath there's torque underneath the word they. Then you change
it a wrestling move. You crawl yourself underneath it to

(47:29):
flip it. So you declare they is us. I am
us with you, they I am us. You were they
and you don't admit I. You don't have to use
the word I. You're just I is standing straight up right,
US is laying down. You're us. You wrapped around this bitch.
So they is us. And when you recognize they is us,
you have no choice but to regulate. You were with

(47:50):
the big boys because you realize I'm a fucking lion.
Damn it. I've really enjoyed believing that lions suck because
I was a hyena, and now I realize I'm lion
because I'm vague too. That means I can kill things
that are that are gonna call me evil for killing them.
That means everything I do is gonna be scrutinized harder
than any other hyena ever would. All my energy becomes

(48:13):
more scrutinized, because that's what it feels like to own
your own power. If you're gonna have a sword and
you walk in to Costco, you're probably gonna fucking cut
some people. Because you've got a sword hanging in your
fucking you know, and you're trying to shop for groceries,
You're probably gonna cut a few people. You got to
get a scabbard, and you gotta fucking not hit shit
with it. It takes a while. It's the responsibility of lions.

(48:34):
So most of us don't even want to have a sword.
We want daggers. We want to hide that shit so
no one can see it. But now as you gain
more power, your sword grows longer. You're able to do
more defense because your field is wider. You have a
wider field of bubble. You are able to carve reality
in a larger bubble around you. This is what I
mean by torque. And you're doing that because you've turned

(48:56):
they into us. It's actually the same thing. When you
turn they into us, you grow a long sword. You
don't have a choice. And the first thing people do
is when they notice that is they revolt because they
don't want to be called us, and so they try
and hide the sword. They try and throw it in
a lake, but it just keeps rising. The dream's just coming.
You don't have a choice. You've been awoken into a
hermetic order. That's what Building seven was, That's what nine

(49:17):
to eleven was. I know that it feels like it's day.
It was never they this is their hermetic universe unveiling itself,
and it's using the furniture of the global world around
you to awaken not just you, but everyone. It's a
Promithean lighthouse. That's what nine to eleven was. It's a
Promithean lighthouse, and only a few will see it. So

(49:37):
see it, and when you see it, you recognize they
is us, and then you're ready. You're ready for they
as me. They as me means I pollinate the world.
They is me is I don't care if I'm going
to die, I don't care if I'm going to be penalized.
I'm going to pollinate the world with what I say.
Maybe I don't pay taxes, maybe I don't do this,

(49:59):
or maybe I do this instead. Maybe you declare this.
Maybe I always fought for soft citizens. Maybe I do
choose jury duty, but I insist on jury nullification. And
I tell everyone what it is. All these are forms
of pollinating. You are not required to fix the world.
You're required to pollinate the world. That's it. You don't
have to win, you have to pollinate. This is that

(50:19):
third rung. And once you're here, I think now you're
a magi. I think now only now you are actually
declaring and manipulating the world through your calligraphy of your magic,
through the wand of your spine, or whatever you want
to call it. You're able to carve your bubble of
belief so effectively that when people see you, they believe
the field that you have. If it's a cop, they

(50:41):
believe you. How does the cop get so much belief?
It's typically the collective fascism, the majoritarianism of society giving
that police uniform that kind of belief. What do you
do as an individual, as a magi, as a shaman.
You got to clearry that shit yourself. You got to
carry all of the that society gives a cop you

(51:02):
have to put into yourself. That's why you don't see
a lot of people like me, like us like this.
We're in training.

Speaker 2 (51:09):
Is this.

Speaker 3 (51:10):
We're training to be as fantasmal as we were when
we were eleven, but as adults now. And that's where
they're gonna cut you down. They're gonna cut you down
if you use that much imagination. They need your imagination
to be bullet fucking proof. And that's what we do,
is society, we insist that each other's believes is bulletproof
and we have a science fascism to fall back on

(51:32):
until we do, and most of us are either magic
past because you're crazy, so we don't. I don't care
what you believe, or this guy's amazing. This guy's pulling
miracles that none of us are can Sorry, this is
some weird day, I think, but it's like, if you
can pull enough torque, you run the first four minute mile,
that's just a magician. That's all that is, is just

(51:53):
pure fucking magic. So that's why all sports medicine is
based on this psychology of belief, right, This that really
makes the elite the elite comes down to a paganism
quite frankly. It's an animistic kind of spirit state, flow
state that you enter into. Yeah, and that's why I
think science is so important. This is why I bitch
about psychology, because if you're going to have a negative

(52:16):
connotation to the world or they, how are you going
to be able to build up your torque? How are
you going to be able to have a powerful cosmology
unless you feel this universe is fucking amazing, that I'm
living in a Jungle's what I am. It's not fucked up,
It's a fucking jungle. You better pay attention because it's
like that kind of intensity. You know, it's that kind

(52:36):
of you're turned on a time, not in a sexual way,
but that's go there. If this is the only way
you can think about it. You're turned on all the time,
but you don't want to have sex.

Speaker 2 (52:47):
You know.

Speaker 3 (52:47):
It's that tantric a liveness that the jungle gives you
and you're not going to be able to have that
if you insist it's they or it's broken, you know,
lean into it. Man, this place is broken. Fuck. Yeah, man,
it's dangerous as fuck. It's ripping with brevity, you know,
it's it's full on, full tilt. You know that's that's
a good thing to be. That's that's awaken a lot.

Speaker 1 (53:08):
Yeah no, And I you know, I often say that like, yeah,
these are dark times, but it's in these these dark
times that every light shines brighter then than it ever would.
And you know what better place to develop a you know,

(53:29):
a shining light to develop yourself into this, you know,
this light light bulb like being that you are. If
you know, if not for the darkness, because if it
wasn't for the darkness, you you wouldn't see that you
are shining. You wouldn't see how far you're your light reaches.

(53:51):
And yeah, like, yeah, this world is full of you know,
it's full of brevity, is full of potential, but there's
all this also the kind of is you know, crabs
in the bucket mentality for a lot of people. You know,
if I can't make it, no one can. And if

(54:12):
I see you reaching the top, I'm pulling you straight
back down because you know you're not going without us,
and I it's you know, it's hard to to let go. Really,
it's hard to you know, to get loose from those
those pintures you know, trying to to drag you down.

(54:36):
But once you once you have, you know, the upward
mobility that people insist is no longer there. Yes it is.
You just have to try. Really, it's it's freeing, you know.

(54:58):
You you start to see that, you know, as I said, yeah,
you there is to upward mobility. I can still you know,
make a a better life for myself, for my kids,
for my family. I can be a a better me,
and therefore, you know, indeed hopefully also create a better us.

(55:22):
I mean pollinating in you know, in Germanic paganism, that's
you know, it's the web of weird. It's it's like
we are all connected, we are all the the notts
in in the web. And that's also why I why
I love the World Wide Web really, you know, people

(55:43):
say also say like oh, you know it's you know,
it's started by by Darba, and like they're the bad guys,
and it's like, come on, guys, look what the the
the Internet has has brought us, Like I honestly don't
think I would have you know, I would have gained
the knowledge that I have attained, the you know, the

(56:07):
little bit of wisdom that I have attained over the
years if it wasn't for the Internet. The Internet allows
me to you know, look for things, research things that
I normally wouldn't have. It allows me to to have
this podcast and talk to awesome people who have a

(56:27):
very specific way of thinking. I've learned more about you know,
about how the world possibly works and religion and spirituality
from the guests that I've had on my podcast than
I ever would from you know, going going to church
or to talking to to the local shaman or whatever.

(56:50):
So it's it's awesome the web. It Yeah, it's it's
an awesome thing.

Speaker 3 (56:58):
Yeah, it's hard for me to imagine anyone who's into
magic not really understanding how how magical a giant copper
labyrinth is. That you can travel the copper and the
labyrinth and go anywhere, and all you need is for
four numbers.

Speaker 2 (57:16):
You and I.

Speaker 3 (57:17):
All we needed was four numbers to talk to each other.
And if we had those four numbers, were sharing telepathy,
were telepathically linked, mind melded through a mycillium network of copper,
the most natural thing that you could find in the world.
So yeah, the fear of technology is a fear of

(57:38):
one's own power, a feel of a fear of one's
own magic. The magic of every of every era is
based on the technology of the time. We can go
back to Egypt and I can show you that the
ivory boomerang shaped magic wands of Egypt were based on
the technology of the time. Was that a hippotamus too?

(58:00):
Holy fuck? That's a bone of a hippo? Oh my god,
this is a powerful magical item. Is that a tusk
of an elephant? Your wand is the tusk of an elephant?
And this is the same kind of a thing. We
have a natural association with the power of silver. Look
at the magic of a silver screen. Every video that
we've ever looked at, every camera that we see things through,

(58:21):
is implementing the elemental nature of silver. Meanwhile, you have
silver that kills werewolves, kills vampires, that does all these
things through the reflective spirit of these things. So the
endowment's always been there. It's always been there. I think
that we can only accept magic in our lives if

(58:42):
we put it way in the past, the same way
we can only accept our reptilian core if we put
it in zada reticuli and call it a species of aliens.
That both these things are our own power, but we're
broadcasting them further away for distance so we can breathe,
so our amigdala can swallow the truth of how dangerous
we are, because ultimately our danger is our own. Is

(59:06):
a responsibility, it's it's a deep responsibility, and we've had
to learn a long time ago. Hey man, you can't
just get mad and go rip off babies heads like
it's you're You're never gonna be able to survive that way.
It's taken us eons to learn how to factor all
these things, you know, And so what I see is

(59:28):
all we're doing is getting more perfect. We're seeing more colors,
not less. We have a higher resolution sound palette than
we ever did before. I can show you ancient Greek poetry.
It just sounds like click birds, just birds and click
that they actually everyone had to speak in a man
nomic pedameter or some shit, you know where this is

(59:48):
the lee way we can talk, because it's the only
way that we can't under stand each other. And that
that's because we were numb nuts, we were retard. I
mean this in a beautiful way, but we were developing
a neocortex through years and years of upward mobility, upward mobility,

(01:00:10):
and so even now when we're like, look at all
the autists, it proves they exist. You could also say,
look at all the higher resolution people that are inside
a certain spectrum. Why has nature created an entire being
that can exist inside of a spectrum and have a
resolution that blows everyone else's mind off. Yeah, they can't

(01:00:30):
tie their shoes, but that doesn't mean it's not natural.
That only means that tying your shoes is a process
that was built in a utilitarian, pragmatic magic that existed
when everyone had a spectrum that was this big right,
it's no different than hummingbirds. It's no different than Look,
this bear can fucking eat enough and sleep all winter long.

(01:00:52):
This barsupial can't. Right, So there's no righteousness. It's the
fascism that's eliminating our magic. It's the majoritarianism that's killing
our magic, because that's the thing that's not allowing us
to see the magic of each person's cipher. The inner
shaman is your retardation. Your deep epigenetic fear is the

(01:01:14):
heart of all your magic. It's the heart of all
your power. Right. So, now that the mysolium's coming online,
the ridicule, you know, it got a little bit jumpy
for a while, but it's subsided. I think one of
the most positive things I saw is the rise of selfies.
That when selfies first came online, we were like, oh,
fuck people and their egos, and no, no, we should

(01:01:35):
be celebrating ourselves. We should be celebrating this other piece.
Our social credit is a kind of flower. It has
a commodity to it. Now likes have numbers next to them,
which is just showing you what we've always known is there. So,
if anything, we're just bringing into fruition energy that we
used to only subtly be able to feel, quite frankly,

(01:01:55):
energy that only females used to feel. The ancient wisdom
of the social right ladder was typically more of a
gatherer kind of a feature. And so you know, each
of us become more intelligent, we're able to transmit magical
on another level. One of those magics is how do
I manipulate the price of this guy's fish? How do
I manipulate the price of my cotton? Right now? These

(01:02:18):
are vital, vital magical skills, a manipulation of propaganda, and
all of them are teaching you your belief church. This
is why we're fascinated by con men. A con man
is someone who has confidence when no one else does.
A con man is a living church. We are fascinating
by how someone can run a church, a megachurch with

(01:02:38):
one person in their congregation? Are they able to pull
that much belief? And they've only got one person in
their congregation? So we already know what we want, We
already know what turns us on. We already have a
society built and exactly around all these things. The thing
that throws us off is that we're born in the
theater looking at the screen, and it is confusing as

(01:02:59):
fuck trying to explain to someone that that's not what
reality is. It's like, look, I know that this is
all you've I know it looks this way. God, it
looks this way. And I know all the saturation is
here and all the salt from the popcorn and the sugar,
and I know if you open this door, it's gonna
burn like a bitch. The sun is gonna sting the
fuck out of your eyes. And I'm gonna promise you

(01:03:21):
that it gets better, and you're not gonna fucking believe me. Meanwhile,
man Uma Thurman is on the silver screen right now.
She's getting ready to chop off this other chick's head
with a sword. And it's like, it's why would you leave?
Why would you leave the cave? You know, this is
exactly where we are. It's beautiful too, It's fucking perfect. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:03:42):
I mean, if anything, these are very interesting, interesting times
season times to see how the how the world progresses,
how people, you know, how more and more people see
how more and more people are you know, blinded by
by that son because they're only used to the the

(01:04:05):
artificial light of the silver screen. And oh, man, I
guess I hate. I kind of hate to do this,
but I'm gonna have to give like Q or q
and On some credit here, because like they say that,
you know life like life is a movie, and you

(01:04:26):
know everyone is just they're all just bad actors. And
I was it again like Shakespeare, I believe, who said, like,
you know life, life is a player, Life is a stage,
and yeah it is, and some people are just yeah,

(01:04:47):
better better actors than than others.

Speaker 3 (01:04:51):
I wrote a lot about q and On early on,
and I really do think it's important. I'm not gonna
be able to tell you here's exactly what it is
in a sense. I think it's a lot more complex
than that, but hermetically very important, very important, And even
even the idea of noticing that it was a white
rabbit and you feel foolish is just as crucially important.

(01:05:13):
This is exactly what it would feel like to be
led up a hermetic ladder as if you were an idiot.
This is what it would look exactly exactly like Pizzagate,
exactly like this. And and here's the icing on top.
It doesn't have to come by somebody who's magnanimously good.

(01:05:35):
The jungle has this built into the algorithm. Steve Bannon
doesn't have to be a good moral person looking out
for you. There doesn't have to be a good person.
Just like there doesn't have to be a they. There
does not have to be a proverbial angel that's making
sure you're okay too. These people do not have to
be conscious of how nature works, the same way the

(01:05:55):
vulture does not have to be conscious of the fact
that it's literally taking decay and declaring new life from it.
Doesn't have to know that it's none of his business, honestly,
and that's how you and I are too. So I
think QAnon is perfect, especially if you can The fool
card is so important because if you can catch yourself

(01:06:17):
being a fool more, then you can start to use
it as a rung in your hermetic ladder, because every
time you catch yourself being a fool, that actually is
what it looks like to have levity to climb up
another rung. And that's exactly what QAnon did. But it's
exactly what the War and Commission did. It's what NASA does,
it's what Building seven does, it's what nine to eleven does,

(01:06:37):
it's what George Foreman does. It's what Wayne old fucking
Sexton does. It's what COVID did, It's what the Mosquitoes did,
It's what AIDS has done. It's what every single thing
keeps doing. It's going to keep doing it until people
stop showing up for a war because they hear Yankee
Doodle Dandy playing. I cannot stress this enough. I'm not

(01:07:00):
making this up. King George. During Revolutionary War, King George
played Yankee Doodle Dandy for the Red Coats, and we,
the Blue Coats, were playing Yankee Doodle Dandy for our side.
Our words were Yankee doodle Dandy. Their words were different, exact,

(01:07:25):
same tune, exact, same fife and drum. This is how
stupid we are. I mean, this would love. This is
just how stupid we are. We're so stupid that we
would kill twenty five million of us for wearing the
wrong shirt. And it shows you how foolish we can
be and how colossally important it would be to understand

(01:07:47):
that someone has had to have dragged us out of
this cave, quite frankly, because there's no fucking way we
would have made it here by ourselves. I guarantee you,
there's no fucking way. We were too retarded. And this
is what I mean by upwardly mobile, This is what
I mean by a garden takes care of itself. The
jungle does not have five trillion apex predators because it knows,
it knows what it's doing. It knows what it's doing.

(01:08:10):
And we are living in a system that knows what
it's doing. I know that because it's so intricate. There's
life everywhere. It's teeming with life. It's teeming with it,
not the opposite. And this is really all you need
to How are you gonna argue with this?

Speaker 1 (01:08:24):
You know?

Speaker 3 (01:08:24):
How are you gonna disagree with me? Is what I'm saying.
When you have all this evidence around you of the
productive nature of it all, you really just having a
choice but just to grab your magi by the wand
and just accept your own power and just start pollinating
the world. That's really the only choice you have, you know.

Speaker 1 (01:08:41):
Yeah, yeah, no, I absolutely agree. It's fascinating. Yeah. Nature
will will regulate itself, you know, and we can we
can try to, you know, to claim otherwise we can
and you know, we can try to say like, oh,
you know, we we need to like help nature along

(01:09:06):
a bit because I don't know, apparently nature doesn't understand
what it's you know, what it what it wants, what
it needs, or how it's supposed to function, so we
need to help it along a bit, and then we
get you know, shocked and confused that it doesn't work
out that the way that we we wanted to. It's like,

(01:09:27):
no nature is going to find a balance. It doesn't matter,
you know, what we do. It doesn't matter what we try.
You know, it's gonna it's gonna have that balance. It's
gonna have that, you know. And at the same time
that that duality, you know there there will always have
to be predators to keep you know, the rest in

(01:09:51):
in check. I've seen that. I don't know where that
or that was exactly, but it's at least somewhere here
in in in Europe when they introduced a couple of
of predators back into this this like major like nature

(01:10:16):
like a park or something. I don't I don't know exactly,
but because that park was it was almost like no growth,
like no no plants really because they all got you know,
eaten by the herbivores because there was no natural predator.
It got like just over them with herbivores, nothing was

(01:10:37):
able to grow. The water like was you know, like
dirty and whatever. And they introduced like just a a
few predators, like they introduced a few few wolves, and
like in the span of like pretty pretty short, like
a few few years, they already saw improvement. They already
saw like flowers coming back up because they weren't getting

(01:11:00):
eaten all the time by their herd before us. They
saw that, you know, the the herbivore us, the smaller
animals they got, you know, they got they got smarter,
They started to like spread out more and you know,
clump together more like nature was, you know, balance was
was coming back by just introducing a few predators, a

(01:11:25):
few well bad guys.

Speaker 3 (01:11:28):
We we would say he's the key because, uh, the
antelope only learns how to run because a bad guy's
chasing him. And antelopes are amazing and they would be
nothing without the predator that made them become amazing.

Speaker 1 (01:11:42):
You know.

Speaker 3 (01:11:43):
That's why I had such a crucial, crucial element to
understanding that you were the predator too. In my mind, man,
is the only fingers of morality in this entire world.
Morality is a special thing. It's it's it's always hard.
It's never celebrated by others around you. We have a

(01:12:04):
Hollywood idea of morality where everyone pats you on the back,
but actually morality would be only when no one's patting
on your back. You're doing something and no one's giving
you credit. You're doing it purely because it feels moral.
This is the only source of morality in the world.
And if you admit that you were a predator, if
you admit that you're a predator and you accept yourself,

(01:12:26):
then you start to understand that predator is a kind
of natural morality. It kind of fingers in the world
that comes in and weeds it and prunes it and
turns it, allows it to lie fallow for a while,
and does all the intricate things that are absolutely necessary

(01:12:47):
to create an upwardly mobile society. So when you can
tap into the blessing of that, you become safer because
you're living in a world where you can predict what
predator would do, because you know that predators needs an
upperly mobile society. And this is why Predator says, well,
I can't just take down any antelope. I need to

(01:13:07):
take down the one that's looking like they're the last
of the last, one's gonna make it which one's the
most retarded. That's what they're doing all the time. That's
all they're doing is asking which one of you is that.
It's a tough job. I wouldn't want that job. That's
why most of us are like, I don't want to
be a predator, even though we're doing that. We're doing
that with cows. We're teaching all of our plants, all

(01:13:29):
of our species, the same kind of lesson that if
you want to exist in that kind of consciousness where
you don't have to be sentient of predator, you're gonna
be meet You're gonna just be meat. That's all. You're
a type of poultry, or you're a type of product
that isn't even col anymore. It means something else. And
what will happen is is that there's a certain acoustic

(01:13:51):
layer of resonance that the psyche feels that it can
vibrate as hawthor as cow, or as hyena or as
lion are his giraffe. These different layers of consciousness, where
one is more like I will eat my own shit
and piss, another is more like, I'm tired of eating
my own shit. And piss. But I don't want to
be a lion. Then there's lion, which is like, fuck

(01:14:12):
you guys, I don't want to be either one of you.
I'll do what's necessary so each of us. I think
we're not always rising up the ladder. I think some
of us are rising up the ladder and realizing I
don't want to be here. I want to be a
little bit lower. I don't think there's anything wrong with that.
This is acoustic levels. There's no none of these levels
are right. These are just different layers of myth guard,

(01:14:34):
you know, just different different parts on the tower where
you feel that your right to be and ultimately your
flow state's going to be the one that tells you that.
This is why people freak out when I say this.
I think slavery has been one of the most upwardly
mobile things that's occurred in society because it's allowed a
parasitic relationship, something that nature has everywhere has a parasitic relationship,

(01:14:56):
and that that parasitic relationship has actually been the crabs
in the bucket. It is actually how one crab makes
it out. It's the only solution. How do we have
a solution where no matter what. No matter how fucked up,
no matter how deep the bucket is, at least one
crab's gonna get out. It's like you're gonna have to
make a psychopathic society where they climb over each other,
and then the one that has the most juice, the
most umph, it's gonna be able to survive. But that

(01:15:18):
person's eventually gonna die because no one's gonna want to
have sex with it. Eventually, it's going to be too insane.
It's going to turn into Gloria Vanderbilt because it's going
to keep fucking its own kids, and it's going to
naturally subside, right, and then something else is going to
rise out of its back. So even the watiko that
we bitch about in Amuraka that came to America, all
we did is look at us. I'm I'm the wasp

(01:15:40):
egg in the back of the caterpillar. I've admitted, and
now I have the natural soil. So the Native Americans
were able to secrete their maize, their essence into me,
and look and watch out, bitches. I'm much more naturalistic.
I have these different ideas about entitlement and sovereignty and
what a government it means. This is the most dangerous

(01:16:01):
thing you could have made. And how'd you do it?
You started with Nixon, then you turned it into all
the other things that have just happened over politics, with
the drug wars and Nancy Reagan. This is how you
make me. This is how you raise me to be
this way and the most dangerous thing you could imagine,
in the sense of the thought form I know of
not violent, so at least you got that rigged out

(01:16:24):
of me. But this is how this is how nature
does it. I become violent intellectually, I become violent in
other ways. So the jungle is still there, it just
changes into different things, different limbic things arise, you know.
So the psychopathy hopefully will never change. I mean that,

(01:16:46):
hopefully it will always be there insisting that you better
wake the fuck up, You better wake the fuck up.
That's ultimately what we want is a giant psychopath scarecrow
that's making our kids wake up. And we want to
do that as effectively as we can. So we have
the fables, we have the the mythology around us that's
doing that. It's it's probably better than when we were

(01:17:07):
hanging genitals on a stick, running through the forest insisting
one of us has to die so that the village
can be cleansed. You know, we still do that now,
it's just you know, look, you have to commit a
lot of filings first and then we'll kill you. But
at least you committed a lot of feelings first, you know.
So now we hand pick who are sacrifice victim is
going to be for society to survive. It's still the

(01:17:29):
same pattern. It's still as tech culture. You take some
another top pyramid, we do that now one in one
in four people is proved innocent through DNA evidence after like,
and we're still killing people. So it's like it's still there,
but it shows you how upperly mobile there is. Like

(01:17:50):
the same mechanics are still there, the piston's still there,
but look at how much more I'm not saying we're
like perfect, but look at how much more aware we are.

Speaker 1 (01:18:00):
Yeah, so do you think that that will always need
like the bad guys? Will we always need the.

Speaker 2 (01:18:12):
That they like?

Speaker 1 (01:18:13):
Are they the the purpose for for us living? Are
they the purpose for you know, us us doing what
we do. If we would erase the you know, the
top layer of the pyramids, would society you know, thrive

(01:18:34):
as many believe it will because you know, no one
is holding us back anymore. The man no longer has
his boot on our neck. Or are we gonna abuse
that freedom creating a a new top.

Speaker 3 (01:18:52):
Really, it's a great question. I definitely have some thoughts.
I'm not trying to say that this is the only
way it could ever happen, But in my mind, the
old factory atrophy that occurs at birth. We cut off
our smell when we're born, and we stop seeing auras,
we don't see the truth of who's in the room
with us. We did this will meet created society a

(01:19:15):
long time ago. We have to We need society to
grain fucking make bread and honey and shit and cook stuff.
So in order to do that, we had to burn
out our sense of smell. So we could be in
the same room with a psychopath and still buy groceries,
and we could still digest food and sleep in an
end with a bunch of other people. So destroying our
old factory is important. But this is also the realm

(01:19:36):
of lauras. I think as society grows more and more advanced,
we're gaining more sense, we're regaining our old factory, and
we're seeing that now through vibes, emotions. Emotions are probably
just colors being rendered hallucinatorily into our realm. So as
we grow, it's possible that psychopathy could no longer prove

(01:20:00):
effective because the bicmera mind is sort of stretched too
much into an identity, so you don't have the paranoia
being as powerful of an engine as it was back
in an animism times. But what would happen instead is
a Lemurian kind of an existence where we would see
each other more naturally. And I think, quite frankly, probably

(01:20:20):
what would happen is the duels would come back is
a voluntary by choice, people choosing to fight to the
death for a very honest reason, which is just the
honor of it, just the joy of the video game nature,
right of just like it's just why not? Why would

(01:20:41):
I not do this? I've got all year to prepare
for this one fight, in this one ring. Trillions of
people will be watching me this whole year. While I'm training,
everyone is out telling me, oh my god, are you
gonna be okay? And every moment is focused that I've
never felt more alive. I've been deck crated by my
hometown as the bequeatherer of Boston, and I'm going into

(01:21:05):
this event and my entire life has never been so
lit is this thing. What's different is the psychopathy's gone,
and instead what we have is just the theater of mind,
the colosseum of just victory itself. So I think that
we could enter into a state where we go back
into that place where death just doesn't hold the same

(01:21:27):
kind of weight because it doesn't have the survival thing
that we fear in it. And because of that, it
would bring back the limbic sanctity, meaning the quality of life.
The qualitya of life is so much better than the
kuanya of it. And that could enter into a state
where we are dying much younger, where we are living

(01:21:50):
until we're fourteen, where we're granted full adult rites at
the youngest age possible, simply so our fantasies have the
most torque when they're not being affected by puberty or
other society things. This is insane world. I'm not saying
this is sustainable. You guys are gonna be able to
put millions and trillions of holes into this idea. I'm

(01:22:11):
not saying this is how we build society. I'm trying
to tell you what happens when the old factory comes back,
that it enters into a no threat world where everyone's
just in giant play mode, Like the world's like a
giant lock in, and you've just been put in this
sort of safe zone where you get to animize and
just play play wolf monster all night. And if you're

(01:22:32):
gonna die, you're gonna die. But people value that qualitya
that you had while you're here. To me, that seems
much more likely is something that might happen. Eventually, this
fuse would burn itself out and we'll have to reset society.
I do think we're going there personally. I think we
have two hundred and fifteen years until singularity is reached

(01:22:53):
and we cut the cord and we introduced amnesia again
and all of us forget. But that's you know, that's
a long way away. Got We've got plenty of time.
But until then, this Lemurian person will will rise. Someone
who sees all the auras, who sees the full holographic
nature of humanity, has the ability to pleomorphize themselves, to

(01:23:14):
grow parts, to grow tails. I don't mean by genetic manipulation,
I'm talking about placebo manipulation, the ability of the mind
to do what it already can do now just unfettered
with the fascism of society, because right now the people
that can't pleomorph are using their fascism to insist that
no one else can too. It's just such an emergence

(01:23:36):
of what it takes. It's so far down the line,
but in my mind, it's gonna happen so much faster
than we can imagine, because we're just propelling ourselves so
quickly through the bloom of this flower. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:23:48):
No, I I.

Speaker 1 (01:23:51):
I'm gonna have to have to agree on that.

Speaker 4 (01:23:55):
Think.

Speaker 1 (01:23:56):
I think we just looking looking around us, looking at
at humanity. If you know, if we have the sense
of you know, full of freedom, we're gonna use that
freedom in every way, just in every way, if nothing,

(01:24:17):
truly nothing is stopping us. And we know in our
you know, in our deepest core, that nothing is stopping us,
and we can do anything we're gonna do. We're gonna
do a lot of stupid stuff, you know then, And yeah,
people are for sure gonna die a lot younger. I mean,

(01:24:38):
I man, if that was the case, I don't think
I would have ever made it through puberty. Yeah, especially
the boys, like we just we just we just do stuff.

Speaker 3 (01:24:50):
Off drums, you know, with jet skis, you know, flamingly,
and it'd be cool as fuck. I mean, I don't
see anything wrong with that. Say, is you know, well,
you gotta live till you get so scaredy and then
you gotta fucking die in a Costco parking lot. It's
just like, why is that better? I don't really understand,
you know.

Speaker 1 (01:25:08):
I mean, if I can like go out doing a
you know, a backflip on a birding jet skate, I mean,
hell yeah, I'd much rather do that.

Speaker 3 (01:25:19):
Yeah, we're going out anyway. Jannis Joplin, John Belushi. I mean,
this is we we already know, we already know what's important.
We already know that we're supposed to be fireworks. We're
just denying all that, you know, and it's it's okay,
but I think a lot of us are gonna feel
foolish as fuck if we wake up on the other
side of this interface, if we pull off this mask
or this whateverthing, and when and we look at what

(01:25:41):
a coward we were while we're here, because we were
so afraid of survival. And I think that's just where
we are, and it's okay. It's it's if you're gonna
grow pumpkins, you gotta first grow a thick vine that
have vine as to have roots. You got to set
up all this stuff. And our our predecessors have done
that for us, and we're on the precip of those
new things. But this is more back back in the

(01:26:02):
eighteenth century. I think if you look at like early America,
we were really getting close to just go full tilt animism,
animize the whole thing. Everybody's just living in fantasy world.
We're like, yeah, Egypt is in Ohio and just really
great stuff. Joseph Smith seeing tablets. You know, we're pulling magic,
giant dragon bones out of the ground. This is what
I want. This is where all your animism is. We

(01:26:25):
still have that, but it's just been sanctioned into a
fantasy that's inside of a silicon mausoleum, which is fine
because it even becomes safer, because more reliable, it becomes
more vast, and it does in plude our environment, which
is just fucking genius. We've created a playground underground built
out of copper, and people are saying that's not magic.
I'm just like what fucking no, it is.

Speaker 1 (01:26:49):
It is magic. So it is magic even you know,
by the simple fact that you know, we are literally
in two sip parts of the world hours hours apart,
and we can talk about this stuff in well semi
real time. You know, like what is a few thousands

(01:27:12):
of a second delay perhaps because it has to you know,
it has to travel, but it's pretty much instantaneously. How
is that not not magic? If you would, you know,
tell like even our like even my my my grandparents,
like my grand my grandmother, you know, sweet sweet old

(01:27:36):
lady that she was, she didn't understand technology. For her,
it was Yeah, it was a hocus focus. You know,
it's like, ah, I don't I don't get this. Yeah,
but Grandma, like you can like instantaneously, you know, get there,
like you want to know this, Just do that?

Speaker 2 (01:27:55):
Do that? Do that?

Speaker 1 (01:27:57):
You got the answer? Oh no, that's that's that's too much,
that's too difficult. That's you know, that's hocus focus. Technology
is is magic, and magic is is everywhere. I recently
joined a like a huge, huge panel with a egyptologist,

(01:28:17):
very well well renowned egyptologists that got invited by a alchemist,
alchemist or medicist that I that I know that. You know,
I had on as a guest on the on the podcast,
and what she told me about, I mean, I bought
the seats for my my wife. Of course she's like Egypt,

(01:28:39):
Egypt nut. But what you know what she told us about,
you know, magic in you know, ancient Egypt, like it
wasn't something that just a few people practiced. Magic was common.

(01:29:00):
It was everywhere. Everyone used magic for everything. It wasn't special,
it wasn't everyday thing. And when I when I heard that,
I was like, yeah it is. It is an everyday thing.
It is not something special. It's not you know, it's

(01:29:23):
not Harry Potter, it's not Merlin, the you know, the
the Grand Wizards, it's not. I mean, yeah, it's it's cool,
you know those like those depictions of it. It's really cool.
Got to give you that, But that's that's not what
what magic is. Magic is everywhere, Magic is is everything.

(01:29:45):
Life itself is magic.

Speaker 3 (01:29:48):
You know, even Harry Potter is magic because it's a story.
It's a tale that was able, a spell was cashed,
a story in a in letters, and the letters turned
into billions of dollars in revenue. It turned into pajamas,

(01:30:10):
action figures, it turned into all of the things that
it did, and that that really is exactly the magic.
It's just, uh, we look at the illusion of it
versus what's there. What's there is the torque of belief.
What's there is a technology of belief that you and
I can use to pick a car up off an
infant if we need it, or to do something fantastically

(01:30:34):
outside of our body's capabilities if it rendered that necessary.
And all of this has costs. All of these are
adrenaline just exchanges. But what's different is that we're able
to potently pull things out of our body instantly if
we are willing to sacrifice or pay the price for it. This, ultimately,
I think, is what magic is. It's the evaporation of

(01:30:55):
blood vessels into I mean blood cells, red blood cells.
To evaporate blood cells into a particular area, whether it
be roofing a house, cutting down a tree, or killing
another human being across from a field, you were evaporating
and destroying red blood cells that came into your heart
and were charged with a sword of hemoglobe and given

(01:31:16):
in a will, and that will goes into your red
blood cell and the red blood cells go out into
your signature as you write with a pen, and some
of those have to die in order for you to
make that signature happen, and that signature turns into Harry
Potter and billions of people, billions of dollars are poured
in out of nowhere into a circle that you drew

(01:31:40):
on paper in your mind. And it's real. This is
all magic, all votes, all politics, all science, every piece
of science that you read is magic. Is will you
believe me if I tell you this? If you look
at the amount of people that are unable to recreate

(01:32:04):
lab studies right now, it's astonishing how many cannot be,
which proves to you even more this is all a
technology of belief. This is all about that, and that's
why the big church is waiting. Only the people that
know how the church works are the ones that are
really really I think, focusing in on the magic and
knowing what to do. This is why billionaires do astronomy astrology.
Excuse me, they fucking know how this works. This is

(01:32:27):
about resonance, right, It's about entitlement. I think it's about
entitlement and resonance together. You know, it's interesting that they
say the pyramids weren't built with human hands. I don't
mind people saying that, but just hear me out. What
if I could build a pyramid using energy, frequency and vibration,

(01:32:48):
and I would simply use the energy frequency and vibration
of my voice when I say pick up that fucking
rock and move it over there. That that is a frequency,
an energy, and a vibration a tonal resonance. I can
fucking levitate rocks if I say this just correctly, the

(01:33:11):
perfect words, in the perfect pose, from the perfect brain,
with all of my red blood cells charged with torque
that insists you will pick up a rock that is
heavier than you, stranger and move it over there. This
is what an algorithm does. This is what TikTok is
doing right now. It's developing the signal that will make

(01:33:33):
you do anything, and all it needs is just to
captivate you. It's the same thing as Yankee Doodle Dandy.
It's the same war song that was playing in the
Revolutionary War. So all this is upwardly mobile. It's upwardly
mobile fantasy that keeps rebuilding itself under the same magical network.
And it all comes down to the torque of your belief.
How badly do I believe I'm an egle warrior? How

(01:33:55):
badly do I believe this is a pedophile? And I
have to kill them so I can save the world
old And so now you know how politics work. It's
just the church of all this.

Speaker 2 (01:34:06):
You know.

Speaker 1 (01:34:07):
Yeah, yeah, oh, I never thought about it in that way,
Like when you talk about you know, residents and frequency
and vibration, Like my mind goes to the like sematics,
the study of somatics.

Speaker 3 (01:34:23):
But I'm telling you that, and I'm saying that is
the it and this is how it works, the same
way I say with Harry Potter, Right, it's like, yeah,
that is magic. Just just look right behind the Silver's
what's right behind the silver? There's the magic.

Speaker 1 (01:34:39):
Yeah, I mean, how do you do that?

Speaker 4 (01:34:41):
You know?

Speaker 3 (01:34:42):
She's just like I sat here in this chair and
I type this ship and you know, I don't know
how she talks, but it's you know, that's that's all
it took. That's the witch behind that. That's impressive. That
is impressive. There's something to be learned from that, you know,
And we have a society that's built on that. The
biggest industries or pretenders Hollywood is the largest industry by far.

(01:35:06):
Military you could say that, but in military it's the
same kind of acting. It's just different serious levels of acting.
So all this is fantasy work, right, All this is
the construction of reality in such a bone chillingly effective
way that people that cannot afford their own reality will
just buy yours and accept it as real. This is
what a magician is. You know, Society is crafting this

(01:35:28):
giant spell called civilization, and so we pay taxes and
we murder just the right people and call it all fine,
call it all good, because it creates an upwardly mobile society.
It works, So why would we change that? You know,
just don't be the last antelope. That's that's really what

(01:35:50):
upward society is. Upperly mobile society really is that. You know,
hey man, all you got to do is just not
be the last one, you know. So it's no different
than nature really is exactly the same. It's just more
organized and we have the ability to lie to ourselves
about it. But it's still the same machine.

Speaker 1 (01:36:08):
No, I think on on those wise words, you know,
just don't be the last antelope. I like, I like
that one like put put that on the shirt, put
that on a on a tile. I think on those
those wise words, it's it's time to time to call it.
This has been ah, this has been a This has

(01:36:28):
been a great talk, Sarah laugh. Steve was was absolutely
absolutely right too. A lot to think about, a lot
to ponder, a lot, a lot of connections that I
have already already made with you know, previous questions that
I had and had, you know, tried tried answering. So James,

(01:36:50):
thank you very much for for coming on. Thank you
very much for this this incredible talk. And let let
them you don't, let the good people know where they
can where they can find more of you, because.

Speaker 3 (01:37:03):
Yeah, well thanks for having me on. I just released
my second edition of Black Eye Club. It's my seventh book.
Really would love it if people would check that out.
It's a sci fi I think you might enjoy it.
And I do a live stream on YouTube talk about
belief all the time. I have a book called Technology Belief,
which might interest a lot of you if anyone's interested

(01:37:24):
in pagan technology. I really do believe it's a technology.
And that book was written on this stance of if
I can't have science, why don't I embrace belief, and
I just started looking at the technology of actually how
that works by analyzing all these different religions and just
bringing it down to what is the core fundamental behind

(01:37:45):
these things. And I believe it's placebo. I believe it's
the neocortexas ability to create a fantasy bubble, a plasma,
cosmological electrical state, and you can climb inside of that
and it will take you places that you've never been before.
So I'll just I'll just did on that. But if
you want to check those things out, i'd encourage it.

Speaker 1 (01:38:04):
Thank you. Yeah. Oh no, that that sounds like a
like a book that I that I have to read.
That's that's right up right up my alley. Yeah, really cool,
really cool. Thank you. And you know, for all that
people watching, all the people listening, I do hope you

(01:38:25):
you enjoys this, this conversation. I mind it as it's
as it was, yet also quite quite simple actually, which
is you know that the beautiful duality of nature. Of course,
it can both be difficult and simple. Yeah, do check

(01:38:48):
out James's channel. I'll I'll have it linked in the
description down below. Of course, I remember to like, share, subscribe.
I'm inching ever closer to to one k. I believe
I am at time of recording, fifty three subscribers away.

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Speaker 3 (01:40:10):
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