Live FFWC Red vs Blue II High-Stakes Fantasy Football Draft

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is Red versus Blue Friday Night Footballwherever you may be. Thanks for making
us part of your night. I'mScott Atkins, Team Legacy in the world
of high stakes fantasy football, andjoin for the second time. Now we
made history last time. For thesecond time, he's back. Adam Kraut
worse from grundtime. What's up,buddy? What's up, Scott Man?
I'm I'm fired up? Baby.Well, let's go on Friday Listen Friday

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night, nine pm, Perfect time, Craig open a beer, hang out
with all the with all these studds. Like the draft already started. We're
in full swing already here. Um, I'm fired up. Yeah, it's
nice to get Red versus Blue pairedup with grind time and see what we
can do. I usually joined bythe big blue cap bro, a big
blue co host from Brandon bir KentuckyMichael Trent. But it is gonna be

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a great, great show. We'vegot Angelo Lila's coming on the champ from
this league last year. He'll bewith us tonight. Uh, Ash Ibraham,
he'll be with us. He's inthis draft tonight, Square Hammer and
Um, it's gonna be a lotof fun we we have. Uh,
this is the what episode is this? This is like the two hundred and

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uh fiftieth episode Live. I gottaget I gotta get the so number I
I can't even remember how many we'vedone. This draft has started off like
we expected. Justin Jefferson number one, Jamaar Chase, number two, Christian
McCaffrey number three, Adam, I'mseeing that a lot lately. Jefferson,
Chase, McCaffrey and I don't knowif it's right or not. Yeah,
well, no one knows if it'sif it's right or not. But that's

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been kind of the ADP um asas usual, kind of going here.
Um, you know I've got theapp right now. Yeah, Jefferson,
Chase McCaffrey for this, uh,this format, this full time fantasy championship
format. Um followed up by acouple more players. Usually it's Cup,
Hill and Echoler. I'm actually kindof surprised, um, and that went
Cup of Lamb and Hill here.I'm actually gonna surprised that Hill is still

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as high as he is an ADPbit. You know, he might have
a suspension looming. Uh with withthat, with that altercation from a couple
of weeks ago. Yeah, shoutsout to everybody in the chat room,
the crew. Some of the bestminds in the world of high stakes fantasy
football can be found in this showschat room. We also have Jack colesheen
coming on tonight, not in thisdraft, but a big time player in

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the world of high stakes fantasy football. Now you see his name, you
know he's coming prepared, So he'sgonna come on and join us for an
extended set segment as well. Wantto run down everybody that's in this draft
before we get too much into thisfirst round, because it does everything sort
of happens so fast. Want tostart off by inviting everybody and welcoming everybody.

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First of all, Roy is inthe draft room. Best facilitator in
the country, barn On, RoyLarkin. He's there holding the fort down,
keeping everybody calm. That's what weneed. We need calmness, we
need, we need relaxed intent.Nothing nothing, no panic, no,
no time for panic. Tonight.No, here's tonight's participants. Number one

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out of the one hole, thirtythree Bucks Roman of Sina. Number two
Pirate Monkeys. This is their seventhsquad this year. Sean Medl and Terry
Tardugno, they're always out in Vegas. Number three b S O. L.
Frank Shinnick. I don't know ifthat's bright side of life. I
don't know. It could be somethingelse. Number four Ruthless the returning champion

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Evangelos Lilas. He is the returningRed versus Blue champion from last year.
Number five Square Hammer Ashriff Ibraham.Number six Team Meyer and Henry William Meyer
An Garrett, Henry Adam. Numberseven Resistance is Futah Scott, Lawrence and
Jim Budzick. Number eight Los LobosJose Ramos. Number nine Mott the Hoople
Glenn Currant, who was on lastweek's show with you Great Show got great

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reviews. Number ten Witty Sports gMichael Millich. He was the runner up
last year. He was the mostpoints leader after the regular season fell a
little bit short when Lilas's team gothot in the end. Number eleven Red
Zone Raiders Lawrence Curtis. Number twelveTeam Cruise Russell Cruise Adam. How often
does that happen to You're the leadingteam in the regular season and and then

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you don't get it done. Uh, that's that's that's that's the worst.
I mean, that happens quite often. But you know what, sometimes and
you always think it all it neverhappens for me, and ever happens for
me. Last year, I wasin a I was in a five K
league and I was like fourth orfifth going into the into the playoffs,
and I had I had Um.My team got really really hot Kelsey.
I had Kelsey and Lamb and Umand my team got super hot late and

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I was able to come in uhand second in that so um, hey,
listen, it goes, It goesboth both ways. And that's why
you should be kind of reading someof some of Jody Smith's stuff he's putting
out there with fantasy schedules, playoffsschedules. Man, it matters. It
mattered. Now you don't know exactlywhat defenses are gonna do, but you
know which defenses are going to probablybe terrible, you know, so you
know, lock into some of thosearticles that Jody's putting out. Yeah,

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I I talked to a world champion, a two time world champ, and
I won't I won't. I won'ttell you his name. There's only a
few of them, so you cantell you you know the list, you
know, the list is short.Yeah. He went into a long detailed
response about how he drafts for thatchampionship stretch run and how he's constructing the

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roster to compliment each other. Whennow that whoa, that's like really deep
stuff, right, You're looking atat somebody that you may think you know,
Okay, is the playoff schedule somethingI need to worry about here?
Well, I don't know. Howwere my other picks and at that position
and that and that you're getting intosome deep stuff and that's why somebody has
won. It's not just luck thatthey win the World Championship a couple of

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times. Yeah, they have alot of jries whatever. There is a
lot that goes into this stuff,not only strength the schedule, but looking
at maybe the age of the player. You know, are you a player
that's gonna break down as you winddown toward the season and you need that
younger player that doesn't have the experienceto come up and boost you at the
end. You know that's gonna behot at the end, and you know,
trying to figure out out as halfthe fun We don't know, but

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you're putting yourself in the best chancefor that team to kind of gel together.
So we are going to talk rosterconstruction a lot tonight. We always
do. And at the FWC,the one thing you you have to like
is we put um, we giveyou those regular season prizes for a reason,
right, it's not and you alsoget an automatic invite into the championship

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round on that regular season, sothere's no way to lose that, uh,
And that's why we have the dominatorat the World championship level, we
have the dominator because if you havethe most points, you're getting rewarded big
time. And I think that's importantto do for people like Mike last year
Witty Sportsge who was the number onepoints for the season but didn't finish at
the end. Yeah, and anotherthing too, not even to talk about,

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you know, strength of Schusun andall that, like Man the bye
weeks this year. I know inthis format, which is nice again,
week thirteen isn't in the overall playoffsright where like it's not gonna it doesn't
totally kill you because there are someother sites where like Week thirteen is in
the league playoffs and if you lose, you're out. But like Week thirteen,
Man Minnesota, the Raiders. Here, there's a ton of teams,

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the Eals. You know, allthese teams with these Week thirteen buys,
and it's like, listen, youcan't just go dress. Sometimes you can't
just take the guy you want becausemaybe that gives you five Week thirteen buys
and the first seven picks, likedon't be surprised when your team, you
know, Creps the bad Week thirteenwhen you weren't prepared because you had everybody
in a week the thirteen buy.Yeah, and we had to redo all

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the tools when the NFL added thatextra week. So now the playoff schedule
is weeks fifteen through seventeen, andyou can start to see, you know,
a guy like Jordan Love number one, easiest playoff schedule through week from
weeks fifteen to seventeen. Guess who'sright behind him, Kirk Cousins in Minnesota.
So will they be charging down thestretch and throw? I mean,
they've got they've got a nice schedule. You know. Maybe the Christians a

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dome too, like the Vikings.That's another thing. The factor in like
man, I remember had this goesyears back, but I remember I had
the best team, one of thebest teams I ever had. It was
Randy Moss, Fitzgerald Bolden, KurtWarner and that deck Cardinals team played a
playoff game in in outdoors in thesnow, and it was they were unstartable
and it ruined my whole season.So you gotta a lot of that stuff,

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domes and schedules and down the stretchman, you gotta have. You gotta
have everything going for you. Yeah, a stack can a stack? Maybe
you have to think of a littlebit deeper than just saying, you know,
what kind of a weather game isit? Are they playing in domes?
You know? Are they playing ingood weather? That all that stuff
can change, especially like a teamlike Green Bay. I just used the
tool though on f toolbox strength theschedule tool weeks fifteen through seventeen. Jacksonville

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wide receivers easiest, playoffs stretch,Green Bay second easiest, and Detroit third
easiest. You talk about some fireworks. Yeah, for fantasy season week fifteen
through seventeen. Those that's what thewide receivers, that's where it at.
And then conversely, you know,do you really want to be going up
against Sauce Gardner weeks fifteen through seventeenif you're a wide receiver one, He's

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a true shutdown corner, right,So you know the Jets schedule, You
start to look at that and yousay, okay, well who are the
Jets playing? Now? Maybe youdon't that Sauce Gardner is that good?
I do, of course, butit's at Miami. Okay. You know,
Tyreek, you're not really You're you'renot scared of anybody against Tyreek h
Washington week sixteen? Are you know? Are you wasting Terry McLaurin that week.

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Are you wasting Johan Dotson? Imean I think, I think I
think Sauce can handle Terry McLaurin personally. Yeah, so you're you're probably not
getting And then at Cleveland week seventeen, Uh, you know, Amari Cooper
might might have a hard time,um, you know, putting up putting
up numbers with Sauce and DJ read. Yeah, no, it's it's completely

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true. And then you look ata team like the Patriots, I mean,
we're digging deeper. I love it. The third round the Patriots they
played they played the Bills. I'mtrying about for the full seat. They
play the Bills twice, the Jetstwice, in the Dolphins twice. Those
are three. Those three secondaryies arethree of the top five ranked secondaries in
the NFL. Like, why wouldyou know? What do you pick?
You got to juju? Like whatreceivers are you? Are you drafted?

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Luckily they don't have receivers. That'sright, that's right. That our fantasy
irrelevant. Though we have heard thatthat nuke nuke is in the Patriots are
in the running. I guess um, okay, let's let's start to break
it down. We talked about thetop three. Then it goes Cup,
Lamb, Tyreek a little bit earlyfor Lamb. It's about right for Cup.
We've seen this before from him,Um Lamb and Hill that's pretty you

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know. Look, you can makea case for Lamb right here for sure,
especially with the increased workload that isexpected for this team with no Zeke
Elliott, with a banged up TonyPollard and no Dalton Schultz. That offense
is gonna run through Ceedee Lamb andprobably you know the wide receiver too,
and wide receiver three. You're gonnaget some more, get some more.
But Lamb is is clearly a widereceiver that you can be comfortable taking in

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this range. Yeah. I don'tknow how many teams Square Hammer Astro if
Ibraheim has. Is he on theshow tonight? I think, yeah,
yeah, we'll ask him this.This This smells to me of a guy
who's gonna have a bunch of teamsand he wants to build his rosters you
uniquely. Whereas if you know,j'all can be very many Lamb Higgins teams.

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I mean, we could probably golook that up. Because Higgins goes
late second early third. Lamb usuallygoes in the late first early seconds,
so you're not able to build thoselam Higgins squads. So, um,
there's a there's a thing that wheneverI see stuff like this, I think
myself, are they trying to builda unique team that that not many other
teams will will have? So evenyou see, you know, I'm getting
a little bit I had to here, but Garrett Wilson goes a little bit

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early. Here goes at the ninehole. Um, you know, are
they trying to do they love justmet All that's snake the snake love Wilson.
I think he does. We talkedlast week about it. Um is
he trying to build some some someteams with Wilson and Waddle. So that'll
that'll be interesting to see when we'removing forward, and we'll ask um,
we will ask Squarehammer when he comeson the show later on. Yeah,

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look, Kelsey here at seven,no surprise. You can take Kelsey.
You can justify Kelsey with that MahomesKelsey connection anywhere you want. Really,
in the first round, it doesn'tmatter. I mean, you can take
a number one overall. It wouldn'tyou know, wouldn't be a shock to
anybody system. You can be like, Okay, yeah, you just check
that box. You have tight endtaken care of, and you've got it
taken care of as long as he'shealthy by out by a wide margin.

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A J. Brown, Garrett Wilsonyou brought up. If you don't think
you're gonna get him in the secondround and he's your guy, you go
get him. And they've obviously upgradedtheir quarterback situation. Yeah, I know
you're You're You're the Jets. Ijust love Garrett Wilson this year. I
have so many Garrett Wilson. I'mnot ros Saint Brown teams, and I
just love that start where where areyou ill? I'll ask you where are

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you? With you was high?I mean you probably got to be super
excited with with with Aaron Rodgers there. I have the eight pick in the
FSGA draft coming up, and itis a consideration. Yeah, it's a
consideration. I mean, if Bijonis probably gone, I'll probably I may,
I may take him. I mean, look seeing Glenn take him,
I feel a little bit more justified. It's hard to turn down Eckler if

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he's sitting there in your face,though, It's just it's just hard to
take that free square because look,it's a fourteen team league, and you
know you may not get that widereceiver coming back that you're really happy about.
I mean, look how fast theygo. By the two four pick,
you're already in that Lava DeVante Smithhere that you really don't want to
be in. You want that.You want that Waddle Adams, a J.
Brown or Antone I'm on raw SaintBrown that range of a or Garrett

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Wilson. You want that as yoursecond round wide receiver there. You know,
if you're in that Olave and DeVanteSmith, you feel like you missed
it a little bit. Yeah,I hear you for sure. It's a
terrible spot to be right. Actually, I'll bet you we see I bet
you we start to see Gibs.Look, we saw Gives at three six.
I'll bet you by the time Vegasgets here, he's a second round
pick. I just listen, willyou? Will you hush? Already?

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Gives is a guy, yo,Scott, Listen when you're out, when
you're a high volume player like me, man like Gives is a guy where
I want to draft so much nowbecause I'll tell you he's gonna snap off
a run in the preseason with thatelite lines and it took one seventy yards
of the house and you're at onehundred percent right by the time we get
to Vegas, it's gonna be asecond round pick. Yeah, yeah,
it's it's really it's really shocking tosee, you know, when when when

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eight wide receivers go in the firstround, you got you want to get
that guy. You want to youwant to get that big name because they're
just so monstrous, I mean,getting that hundred catch type season. It's
just it's really a difference maker inyour team in PPR leagues. Let's keep
it going. Eckler Jonathan Taylor.You can't complain because again, those those
those sexy wide receivers are going EcklaTaylor. You're you know you're getting a

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good wide receiver there. When youwhen you start to do the math,
you know you're gonna get one.Uh Diggs, armand Ross Saint Brown perfectly
fine with cruise be Jean Robinson fallsto the second round. Finally, I
mean, is this the first timewe've seen that. I mean, he's
been a first round pick every draft. Ivet was Yeah, pretty wold,
Well normally there's three rights. Normallygonna get three running backs in the first

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round of every draft, this onehappened to be Jonathan Taylor. Now Red
Zonn Raiders doesn't really get value onRobinson essentially because they take Taylor first,
so they just if you just swapthem, that's the same thing. What's
interesting to me as Cruise Team Cruisealso a Kentucky draft him in Kentucky as
well, gets dig digs to fallto him at twelve now and doesn't necessarily

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get crazy value because I have seena mine Ross Saint Brown fall a little
further in the second so there isa ton of digs Saint Brown stacks.
But to get digs at twelve,I think I think maybe digs bijin would
have been the way to go there, to get that that team build,
that unique team build that there probablyaren't that many of. Uh. You

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come up here and you look atDavante Adams. If I'm Eckler's, if
I took Eckler, I'm probably takingWaddle. Although Adams, I mean,
look, they both have quarterback issuestoo. When I start to say Adams
because of the quarterback, well,Waddle because of the quarterback, because ta
win healthy, You're you're there's noproblems, but you you know, yeah,
you really want to want to wantto ride the uh the Mic White

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train. You know, I don'tknow so Adams with Garoppolo and who knows
what the quarterback situation is gonna bethere in in Vegas. I'm a little
I'm a little leery about that.So but you gotta get your wide receiver
and you know you gotta pick one, So take one, and that's fine.
Bruce Hall. Now at two five, the reports are all saying it's

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good to go week one. Ye, good to go week one. Okay,
what does that mean? Tim Carrey'sget out of the gate, you
know, take a chance and youknow the averaging four yards a carry or
getting a couple of catches. Okay, you know it's everybody expects a slow
start after that kind of an injury. I just wonder if you're hoping for
the second half of the season tobe and to get there right, you

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want to get there, that's theconcern. Yeah, here's my thing.
Love Brusall head brees all everywhere.Last year broke my heart. Bruce Hall.
I think he'll be there week one. He's saying it they're saying it.
The doctors are saying he's had aschedule RB five, So like if
he wasn't if he didn't get injuredlast year, he'd probably be what RB

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three this year, you know,but in the mixt of McCaffrey and Eckler
and then probably him, Like,so you're not getting a ton of value.
I take him at RB five.I know you're excited because the reports
are coming out in good but youknow, sometimes you gotta just kind of,
you know, wait, wait tosee where where he falls. To
you again, Los Lobos, Isee their name everywhere. They're gonna do
a ton of drafts. I wouldprobably just wait and take him at his

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value rather than reaching for him.With that being said, I love Breeze
Hall. I love that, Ilove the player. I think he's he's
going to be fine. Um andI bet your jail, jail and Wattle
point. It's just that the ceilingon Wattle is just capped with with Tyreek
Hill being there, Like he's nevergonna get dreted as a first round receiver
while Tyreek Hills there. Again,this might be a situation where they're betting

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on I mean, this is inthe range of outcomes for a Widdle as
far as the ADP. But isTyreek Hill gonna get suspended? And this
is kind of the the tier thathe's been going in Waddle, Lave Higgins
Smith, it's the same tier.You just gonna mix up the four the
four receivers. There our RDA projectionsby Sean Child's one hundred and nine catches
for Tyreek for fifteen hundred yards andnine tuddies. Jalen Waddle eighty nine catches

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fourteen hundred yards higher yards per catch. Of course at this stage in his
career, eight tuddies, So it'sstill an amazing, amazing season, top
ten season for Jalen Waddle. Andyou know, if if there were something
to happen to Tyreek, you know, he's he's He's that one hundred and
thirty catch guy again, a Lave. There's a lot of love for a

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Lave. A Barkley we're talking aboutnow, we're talking about potential holdouts here
and unhappy with the franchise tag.We knew add it to the list,
you know, Barkley. Jacob's allthese big stud running backs thinking that they
are um well, not just thinkingrealizing that they are you know who they
are. They're they're at the runningback position and they want they want to

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stand up and see if they canum push the team a little bit.
Uh, it's all contract related.I mean we're talking about money. This
is a job as a career,and you know, you get it.
But he's already got ten million righton the table. Ten million for running
back. Pretty good, pretty goodnumber, pretty good. But he wants
to lock lockdown a long term year. Do you think in his watching him

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the last couple of years, he'ssomebody that if you're the Giants, you're
ready to invest another four year dealing. You know it's it's this is why
the smart teams don't usually draft runningbacks early in the NFL draft, because
even if he is a stud,now you've got to pay him a second
contract. And guess what Nobody wantsto pay these guys second contracts. I

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mean, it's it's just not asmart bat. But then you're you have
a sake on Barkley's a situation.You have a Josh Jacobs situation where these
guys are studs. They did whatyou paid him to do, and now
they want to get paid. Andnow it's It's just what do you do
now Barkley's a guy, we're onbuying the dip RB six, you know,
mid to late second round, likeand look, you're gonna know before
week one and team Meyer does agreat job, like, you know,

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we're gonna take the dip on Barkley, and but you know we're gonna follow
up with gibbson mixing. So ifhe doesn't play, we still have two
running backs and what I'd like.I'm not gonna tell them what to do,
but will we interested to see ifthey come back and go five or
six straight receivers, red zone raidersand the allowance spot. Let's interesting to
see if they go five or stricks. What was going on? Remind me
what was going on with Barkley atthe end of the season last year.

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Why I was only getting nine ninecarries a game the last couple of games.
I'm not I think he was bankingup a little bit, and I'm
not quite I'm not quite sure.I mean, I think some of the
defenses he played were tough, Butlike I just I think he's fine.
I think he just wants to getpaid. And it got every year that
you're off of a of an injurya year further, I think is better

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obviously, so he'll be back.I think he'll be their week one and
if even if he just holds out. I mean, these these dudes lose
so much money sitting out during theregular season, I'm sorry, sitting out
during during the training camp two umand the regular season. So Jack makes
a point the Jets doing their homeworkon Delvin Cook. I would hate that.
That would be terrible for for DelvinCook and for Bruce Hall. Like

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you know, it would just bebad for the Jets though fantasy great for
the Jets, great, great forthe Jets, but yeah, bad for
fantasy owners for sure. For sure. Yeah, we're Jack is gonna be
popping on here soon. Look,I think this second round is is it
gets kind of dirty right around here. I mean when you're talking about t
Higgins at two eight, Poulard attwo nine coming off an injury again apparently

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he's okay, but okay whatever,Devanta Smith at two ten, Romandre Stevenson
at two eleven, Josh Jacobs attwo twelve. I'll tell you I can
do. I don't like this areaat all. Like as a drafter,
I'm just trying to stomach my mypick and get through it. It's almost
like I would just you know,it's almost like, Okay, do I
really want to take this because ofADP and because of where the value is

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and because of the projections, ordo I just want to you know,
what is the right answer here?How do you get out of this predicament?
I mean, yeah, I thinkthe right answer is running back because
I think that they're just like,you know, you've been doing this a
long time, Scott. You knowRB seven at the end of the second
round, right like that was neverRB seven was usually picked nine overall.

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Right now you're getting RB seven,it picked twenty. So I think the
answer is this, what's right?I don't generally like to go a McCaffrey
earlier and not be geting McCaffrey.But give me cop gimme chase and then
let me come back and get Pollardand Henry or Stevenson and Henry or Chubb
and Gibbs, like let me usuallyBruce Halls in the mix two, but
Bruce Hall Hi higher to its night, Like, let me take two of

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those backs that normally your first roundpicks. Let me take two of those
guys. And then I'll come backand I'll pound receiver again. So yeah,
that's what he does. Look atlook at Roman, thirty three bucks
he takes, He takes his tworunning backs. They're two studs. Yeah,
you're gonna plug him in every weekand you're gonna get you your fifteen
to twenty points a game. Yea. And then your wide receiver two becomes
Mike Williams, who win healthy.That's fine. Uh yeah, win healthy,

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that's fine. Um and and againagain. Jefferson is no. Now,
maybe I would fire away in thatround with another wide receiver instead of
another running back, but you know, fifteen to twenty points is what's want
there, fifteen fifteen points a gameand fifteen point two when you've got the
number one picking the draft, Jefferson. Jefferson is a receiver and a half.
You don't need five receivers when you'vegot Jefferson because he's worth almost two.

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So you go get Jefferson, youget your running backs. And what's
so interesting to me? So guy, as you look here, he takes
kind of Kenneth wal Walker as RBeighteen. Another running back has not been
taken, so we're comparing RB eighteen. Right now, Trey Lion Burks is
wide receiver thirty three. Before wehaven't had another running back like these.
These drafts are so I get yetto start three receivers, you probably want

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to start four. But it's justlike, man, sometimes the value with
these running backs is just the wayto go RB eighteen versus receiver thirty three.
Now, so Sanders go, soRB nineteen versus receiver thirty three.
Like I'm not even saying from amicro perspective, I'm not even saying I
like Miles Sanders or hate Trey LionBurks or whatever. But it's just eventually,
like you gotta look at the numbersa goal, man, I'm really
taking wide receiver forty over running backtwenty. You know, this is why

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we design the FW though, Thisis why this format makes sense. Bro,
you want the wide receivers in yourlineup. We're gonna bring on Jack.
Let's bring on Jack and format himhere for the show. Jack.
Good to see you. We're we'reseeing you in sort of a yeah,
I'll get get you. I sprungit on Adam like that. I'm sorry.

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Good to see you Jack. Howyou doing, Buddy? Good?
Yourself well this is uh, thisis red versus blue. This is like
this is like an early Christmas.So it's like Thanksgiving, you know,
it's um, it's a fun it'sa fun time. We've we've got a
lot of that's the discussion right now. Wide receiver heavy. Look, Okay,
hello, it's f FWC. Youknew that. But talk about the

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impact of that and and across theleague. It's it's it's happening to where
at some point a running back doesmake sense. Jack said, hold on
name Jack Sai. Anyway, Adam'stalking about running backs here, rights,
just enough's enough getting me on theshow. I got start talking talking him
off the running backs here. Yeah, yeah, we need it, We
need it. You know. Partof it's kind of like a like a

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bubble just in the stock market.You're you're taking wide receivers because you know
that the people next you are alsogoing to be grabbing wide receivers, and
it just sort of creates a demandelfreinforcing cycle. Yeah. Absolutely, So
it's just the trick is just beingthe person that doesn't take it one step
too far. So he did mentionthirty three versus nineteen thirty three receivers versus

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nineteen, and they've stopped the draft, so they're working on it. That'll
give us a little bit of atime to catch up here we started with
instead of theory, we were actuallybreaking down the teams across. And I
want to get all the way acrossthe league because sometimes in these drafts we
don't make our way across all twelveteams, and it's the most important part
of the draft. Pirate Monkeys.He starts off, he does the exact

(26:47):
same thing. He gets the studwide receiver, locks it in, fires
off back to back running backs becausethey're just absolute studs in your lineup.
And you're saying, I can findme the wide receivers that I need.
He takes Hopkins because he knows he'sgonna get signed, and he takes the
Ante Johnson. If you're going toRBRB that I mean, that's what you
want. You want two wide receiversthat you know you can plug in and

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count on, and you don't wanta lot of risk associated with those two.
And I love Hopkins there because,like I understand the uncertainty around free
agency, but I can't really thinkof a team destination that he's going to
land on. The end of thefourth early fifth is not a good price,
and there are a few options,Like you know, it seems like

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a long shot now, but ifthe Chiefs restructure with Chris Jones and get
cap space, then you know,like there are certain upside opportunities where if
he's playing for Kansas City or Buffalo, you're drafting the two rounds earlier.
And even if it's the Patriots,like Juju is still working off his knee
injury from last year, so they'vegot nobody there. So Tannehill has a

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history of getting into a j Brown. Well, if he goes to the
Titans, I think fantasy on willbe in tears because it will be you
know, the death of Treylon,Burks and Chig and basically down Julio Jones,
Randy Moss, saw the other AndreJohnson. You don't think that just

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eases up on on the on thetoll they have to give Derrick Henry.
I mean it makes them a morerounded offense. I mean, there's plenty
of balls to go around when thoseballs are completed passes, right, It's
what you don't want is an ineptoffense that can't you know, that is
just struggling and can't move the balldown the field. If you have an
effective offense, it lifts all sales, right, I mean it does.

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You you're driving down the field,You're having more offensive plays and more offensive
output. And so you know,does it kill Chig No? Not to
me, I mean I think Imean, and it does it kill Burks?
Probably not. I mean a matterof fact, putting Burks as a
number two, it's probably gonna beway better. I mean, we just
had this conversation with who last yearwho was a number who is probably facing
oh, Christian Kirk, he wasfacing number one corners all year. You

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think that's you think that's going tocontinue now with Ridley in the fold,
probably gonna have a better season thisyear. Yeah, I don't know.
I think if you're signing Hopkins,you're doing it under the understanding that he's
going to get a substantial amount ofvolume. Otherwise you're not paying that amount
of money. So, you know, Burks is interesting. But but the

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like the the very first thing everybodywho's touting Burks will say is the amount
of volume he's going to get.So I'm not saying he's not a viable
option, but but he's dropping twoand a half rounds, you know,
the next day. So yeah,we'll see. But for Hopkins, you
know, at that price, Idon't see a landing spot that you know,
he's gonna make me feel like Ioverpaid for him. And I see

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landing spots that are fantastic. SoI think it's a great pick. Yeah,
I think I think Hopkins could help. What help Henry? I think,
I just I'm thinking back to likewhen they were trying Titans played played
the build on a Monday night gameand it was an and Julio was healthy
and A. J. Brown wastheir healthy and Brown was running these deep
drags off of play action and hewas killing it, and then Henry was

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That was the game where Henry throughuh the cornerback there uh with say Josh
Norman throws him into the stands practicallyand runs for all these touchdowns. Yeah,
I think Scott, I think ScottsTroy. I think I think it
will lift the offense having him there. But I think it might help Henry
more than it will chig Or orBurkes, because it'll it'll it'll give him
lighter boxes. But but yeah,I mean and and like you said,

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it'll help Hopkins because you know,if they're going to throw it to him
again the fourth fifth turn, Ithink you're doing fine for sure. This
Uh let's look at Team three brightside a lot, Frank SHINNEK McCaffrey.
We understand that's the pick DeVonta Smith, it's the pick DK metcalf Jack.
Is that the pick? You know? Don't? I think it's good value

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for him. I think if you'regonna go wide receiver, which he needs
to, I think that's the obviouschoice. No and no, no,
I think, um, you know, they clearly believe in Gino to sign
the deal, and they clearly believein Gino to be drafting JSN and you
know, trying to add weapons tothat offense to support him. So no,

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not at all. I think it'sa great thick Terry McLaurin at the
fourth round and then Patrick Mahomes Adam, we used to have this same back
in the day. This is thisis dating me a little bit, but
it used to be Peyton Manning inthe fifth. If you saw a Manning
fallow the fifth, you took himbecause it just takes care of your quarterback,
that quarterback problem that you have.It's it's not something you're attacking in
the draft. But it's like,Okay, you a fifth round number one
quarterback, you take it. PatMahomes in the fifth you take it,

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or you just you keep you youlet him pass on by. I think
it depends on your bill recently.I mean I've been I've been had a
couple of live streams drafting lately whereI've ended up with Mahomes and Kelsey a
bunch of Last night, I wasin the full time. I was in
one of these last night. Itwasn't Red versus Blue, but same same
format, and I took I tookJosh Allen in the fifth because it's just
like, okay, like in thefifth round, you don't know what now.

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I'd like some guys are like DeontayJohnson a lot in the fifty fifth
round, but you don't know whatyou're gonna get from Burke's ik. You
know, Clarius Tony. These arequestion marks. Josh Allen, Patrick Malomes,
and Jalen Hurts outside of injury arethe safest picture you're gonna find.
So quarterbacks don't get hurt as much. So yeah, I have no problem
taking a quarterback here in the fifthround, and compared to some of the

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other sites, they're going in thesecond round, third round, fourth rounds,
so you're able to if you reallylike quarterback early, FWC is the
place to go, all right,Jack, you and I were chatting about
the Scott Fish Bowl that I'm inand sixty nine seventy seventy one. I
want you to look at those pickssixty nine seventy seventy one. How is
it possible? Then in a totallydifferent format FWC Scott Fish Bowl? What

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have you there? Evans, Addison, Dotson. Question is being answered in
a different order, albeit, butit's the same three wide receivers, Evans,
Addison, Dotson. I mean,what is it about heard think mentality
that makes it so that Evans,Addison, Dotson in the pick sixty nine,
seventy and seventy one are all beingthought of in the same kind of

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breath? You know. I thinkpeople just sort of lump together similar profiles
and then you end up lumping togetherlumps. So like Evans, obviously he's
not a profile. With Addison orDotson. You've got these young guys on
with a stud in front of them, so you're unsure of their role and
you've got kind of older guys thatdon't quite fit in, and they end

(33:29):
up just sort of lumping together best. Yes, but but yeah, I
think there's a lot of uncertainty.And I'll guarantee so you just get lumped
together. I'll guarantee you when welook back at this season thirty seven,
thirty eight wide receiver, thirty nine, one of these guys is top twenty.
One of these guys is top thirty, and one of these guys is

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probably like top fifty. You know. It's like they're not gonna be anywhere
close to each other, you know, just but all of us are all
thinking in this same Yeah, he'seasy, and this is the guy to
take. You know, Let's bringin Angelo also to this discussion, because
he's gonna pick here. I wantto see what he does. He's got
Cooper Cup, Debo, DJ Moore, Mike Evans, he's got four wide,
he's got Tony Pollard, he's gotJalen hurts Um. What is the

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what are you thinking? Angelo?TJ? TJ. At this point,
I'm looking at what's there, what'savailable? A lot of running backs still
there, you know where you whereyou're gonna get a little bit of an
advantage tight end could be that spot, you know, So we'll see how
his draft goals. It's an interestingone. Good to see you, man.

(34:36):
How are you doing gold on goodMan. I'm just chilling, trying
trying to figure out this board.That's all. Yeah, that's the that's
that's the thing. You win,Cooper Cup. Let's talk about that pick
Cooper Cup. At the one four. We saw Mike Santos do it,
uh, you know at some pointthis year, and now it's like Cup
Pollard. Talk about that combo?Is that is that? Have have you

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seen that a lot? Is?Are you feeling good about that? Yeah?
I am definitely. Actually I washoping Cup would fall. I didn't
I had I had a mccaffree teamalready from the spot someone. I was
hoping he mccaffree would go so itwould make my decision easier. I wanted
a start wide receiver, but actuallyI had a goal of going three receivers,
but kind of Pollard fell into mylap, so I kind of like
changed my plan. So I kindof went that direction with Pollard because I

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mean I love his potential, youknow, on that offense too, you
know, I mean that's you know, he's just I mean, if depending
on what they do with the backupand how they use i mean, polished
potential is on talent. To behonest with you, this guy is so
suddenly used. I mean he's almostthirty years old, but if you look
at his usage, it's it's it'snot that much or the course of the
last few years. So the guy'sgot fresh legs. Man. Just gotta

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stay healthy, that's the key,Adam. Let's talk about that. Let's
stick on that top. At CooperCup. There's a lot of people that
are gonna be in their fantasy draft. They're gonna have the number four pick,
and they're gonna say to themselves,are they getting the Cooper Cup from
twenty twenty one with one hundred andforty five catches in nineteen hundred receiving yards,
right, or are they getting MattStafford That there You hear that they're

(36:04):
shopping around the league and they didn'tget any offers. I mean, that's
a big concern if that's the Staffordwe're getting. Yeah, I think Stafford's
gonna be gonna be fine. Imean, he's I feel like he's healthier
than the week yeah. I mean, if I feel like he's healthier right
now than he was last year,at this point, I love Cooper cup
I think that's a that's that's thepick there, that's the pick at three

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for me. Honestly, Um,he was better last year. A Cuple
was better last year than he wasthe year year before. And the points
per game. Like, he's notold, he is thirty. I think
in him and him and Stafford hadwho well, I mean I like think,
you know, I don't want totalk about other players that I've been
drafted yet, but like, he'sthe guy he lends up in the slot.
They're best friends there. He's alwaysit's just gonna be. I got

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five catches through week nine last year. I was gonna say the guy finished
what top twenty five and he missedhalf the year. Even if he gets
production, he's worth that pick.Yeah. When you're when you're picking here,
you need to find three hundred pointsor at least that level. If
if you don't get it there,then you're done, you know what I'm
saying. Unless you get lucky withyour you know the rest of your draft.

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But you can't miss on those pickspens. So let's talk about that third
round pick, Angelo Deebo Samuel.It's not the debo that's in the backfield
that we saw a couple of yearsago. It's the debo that's hoping to
catch passes from Rock Purty for themost part, Sam Donald or Trey Lance.
But he's perfect for that offense.And how sho uh Schottenheimer or whatever

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his name is, what do Icall it? Well, what's the coach's
name? I'm forgettingans because that's whathe is Shenanigans. The thing is the
way they run their offense. Gadgetyset plays. The guy's a one play
touchdown. He doesn't need much tocreate. The thing is, if you

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look, if I look at aguy, and I'm looking at the third
round, there's a lot of goodtalent. I need an explosive guy that
has potential to hit that. Seeingnow McCaffrey's there, I get it.
But enough on that offense to feeda couple of guys, you know what
I'm saying, more than a coupleof guys because of the way Shenanigans runs
it. I mean Debo injury injuriesslowed him down last year, but this
guy's healthy he's thirty points at anygiven week. And that's the thing that

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when when I play, I'm notlooking to win every week. I'm looking
to get points every week, andthat's the end game. As points,
ye're going to get those explosive gamesfrom. And Deebo is that guy.
Hey listen, the guy can beaverage all year and then you go to
the last four weeks when it countsand the guy goes off for you know,
twenty five points a week for thelast three weeks. Yeah, here's
the thing about the ninth The thingabout the nine ers two is when they're
when when they're all healthy, they'reall average, right, they're all eating

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from from each other's play. Whenone of those guys is out, Kittle
or Debo or McCaffrey or are youthe other three eat, they eat.
So unless you think they're all goingto be healthy all year long. And
even Debo set himself, Debo isdisgusted with the way that he played last
year. He is ready to roll. He's a guy with a chip on
his shoulder. Again, it's it'sa little I love you checking Marrangelo because

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again it's a little like, oh, you're taking him ahead. ADP or
whatever, like you gotta go getyour guy, and like you said,
Deebo, the team could be healthyone of the potential a lot of the
guys after when you really think abouta Cooper's up to forty guys, Okay,
Keenan Allen is old and you don'tknow what you're gonna get anymore.
Drink Wanted is unproven. Ridley hehad a year off. You can't you

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can't underestimate what a year off offootball will do to somebody. Pittman was
way overdrafted Watson. We'll see.There's a lot of question marks. Man.
So when I look at a guy, Debo's proven, people's proven.
Just stay healthy. That's that's something. Sean Sean projected this offense, this
passing offense for four thousand yards andtwenty seven tutties through the air, and
that brought debos total down to sixtytwo catches for eight hundred and thirty five

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yards and five tuddies. Now,if that happens, you're not happy.
That's a wide receiver. Thirty threeseason he has Ayook for seventy six catches
actually a nine, seventy seven andseven. So it's interesting it brought it
down for me, it scared me. I have to rethink it. I
don't you know, nothing wrong withyou take it him there for sure.
Uh, for some reason, we'vegot to get Shawn on the show um

(40:05):
to talk about that. Sam.I mean, look, we can read
the outlook and he's got the explanationin there. Uh. DJ to Scott
coming up here in a couple ofweeks, where we got the AFC West
this week coming up, and thenwe'll eventually get to the n scust team
to team preview. Well, it'simportant because you know he's He's down on
him and uh, you know Angelo'shigh on him. And so I'm somewhere

(40:25):
in the middle there, I'm I'mI'm I feel like I'm overthinking Calvin Ridley
here. For some reason, theappeal of a piece of Trevor Lawrence.
I think it's gonna take him likea half a season before the guy really
gets his feedback under himself. Andthat's the problem is what are you gonna

(40:45):
get his points? You get youmight get so frustrated early on you let
him go, and then he's blowingup the last four weeks of the season.
You know what you think he's doyou think he's like out of shape.
No, it's just the game speed, the game itself, you know
what I'm saying. I'm like RickWilliams was the anomaly of leaving and coming
back and producing. How many guyscould leave him come back and they're dominant.

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I'm not like you know what I'msaying, I think a little bit
higher the quartery though, right,I mean it wasn't even his decision to
leave, you know. So it'slike a correct correct but you still unless
you're you have that game action.No, there's no simulation that will put
you in that position, you knowwhat I'm saying. Until you saw last
year, seeing the speed of thegame again, dude, being away a

(41:28):
year could be an eternity for someof these guys. You know what I'm
saying, are year away from footballat its highest form. You know what
I'm saying. It's you can't tome personally. And I took Ridley too,
Don't get me wrong, I'll geta little piece of him, but
you're not value how much. Youknow, being on a whole year means.
Yeah, we've seen this just lastyear. You know, Deshaun Watson,

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everybody assumed as soon as he comesback from the suspension, he'll be,
you know, playing just like oldWatson, new team, not playing
for for a year. It takessome time and it's the same situation for
Ridley. So ectually it might work. It not saying it won't, but
there's a significant degree of risk inthat pick. And I can, I

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can not to change the subject,but you can even say, Bruce Hall
that that has JK. Dobbins screamingall over it. Oh he's good,
he's good. Oh, we gottado we gotta go back in clean up
something. Yeah, the next fourweeks. To me, that's I mean,
I don't know, but to me, to me, to me,
Javanta Williams is more of a Dobbinsthing because Bruce Hall is saying like everyone's

(42:34):
saying that Briess, whereas you had, you know, Dobbins last year was
Dobbins was the only one saying hewas good. The doctors were like,
hey, we'll see. The teamwas like, man, we'll see.
Like I feel like Bruese Hall,but I get it. Bries Hall is
going in the second round. There'ssecond third round. There's some obviously some
concern there, but I feel likeJavanta Williams might be a might be a
closer comparison, but then the priceis baked in there, right r RB

(42:55):
twenty seven. And I wouldn't doit there, man, I just to
me, that's just too igh risk, especially when you get in the higher
dollar musk where you start playing themain events. Yeah, you know for
sure. Now you also take DJMoore in the fourth round. You're stacking
yellow stickers here, and there's nothingwrong with that. There are some other

(43:15):
receivers probably on your radar there.I mean with the what we saw at
a Mooney going from eighty one catchesdown to whatever that was last year with
Justin Fields, they are going topass more, of course, But what
did you what do you think aboutDJ Moore and his target volume. He's
gonna he's gonna see there, whichbeing being from Chicago, so obviously you

(43:35):
know, I you know, I'mtuned in over here. Everything I've heard
has been great. The guy looksthe part, he looks like a number
one. They've made they've made agood connection, they've been playing together.
I mean, it's it's it's it'sa coin flip. To be honest with
you, I'm hoping you know youkeep hearing the oh there's a J.
Brown. Yeah, well let's slowdown here. He's not a J.
Brown. But if you can giveme seventy five percent a J. Brown

(43:57):
last year, I'll be completely happyin that run. You know what,
say you can get to that twoforty two fifty spot, I ain't can
argue with it. You know,Sean has the Bears projected at thirty six
hundred passing yards, with the receiversgetting twenty four hundred of that split up
between those five or six guys there. DJ Moore, he's got for sixty
eight catches, nine hundred and thirtyyards and six studies. So yeah,

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it's that that Chicago Bear offense.We want to see more passing. We
want to we want to let himbe. Let let him, let him
merit out and see what he cando getting back at Ohio State. Let
him merit out. These good widereceivers. Jalen Hurts. You take the
quarterback after you saw mahomes? Wereyou were you taking mahomes at that point
or were you taking you know what? It goes back to what Adam was

(44:40):
saying earlier, like when you lookat the round and what's available to you
at that point. Now, ifI'm bigging towards the back end, I'm
you know, and these guys aregone. Now I'm settling for what's there.
But I mean Marquis, I likehim. I'm out there. I
look same thing I got debo,So I don't want to do that.
Burke's question mark, Tony question mark. You know, I like lock it,

(45:01):
but that's too high a spot.So to me, it just makes
sense quarterback. I mean, fifthround. You can't argue with it.
You know what I'm saying. He'shealthy, the weapons he has, he's
four hundred points. You know whatI'm saying. You locked it in.
That's why I did the same thingwith the tight end, and my core
is there. The thing is witha lot of these teams is you get
your core. Get your core.Once you have that established, then you
just got to fill it in,you know what I'm saying. So that's

(45:22):
how you maintain your weeks, youknow. And that's what I tried to
do with this quick because there's alot of good draft is here, so
there's not a lot falling between thecracks here, right, you know what
I'm saying. So instead of tryingto hope and you know, hopefully this
guy falls. I said, youknow what, I'm gonna take the most
points. I can't eat Trump.And that's what I've tried to do with
with with each picks as I've goenalong and Jack, I don't know how
you're attacking the quarterback position, butyou know this is supposed to be the

(45:44):
year where quarterbacks flying off the board. Here we are in the FWC.
Man, they just keep getting lowerand lower, and I love it.
I love it. It's It's oneof my favorite things about the FWC is
there's like this collective understanding that everybody'sgonna play like chicken on quarterback and tight
end and we're just going to seehow long. We're like looking around like

(46:05):
we're gonna do another round. YEP. Drafts, Yeah yeah, but you
never want to You never want tolet the Kelsey draft get my homes.
That's you got a snipe, Yougot a snipe. I love the pick
in the seventh round though, AndI mean I think the the distance between
and Hawk and Mark Andrews is waysmaller than you know between Hawkinson and Waller

(46:30):
got her kittle pits. So Ithink being able to get Hawkins in the
seventh when everybody else is getting thosetight ends of the eighth is fantastic.
Well, I don't know if you. I like to look at round to
see if I want a round,and I mean really the only Montgomery might
come the closest to me, youknow. I mean from what I look
at when I see there, whatI could have had and what I have.

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This is a guy I'm starting everyweek, no questions asked. The
rest of these guys are, well, am I playing this guy or that
guy this week? See? That'sthat's what I'm drafting. That's what I'm
looking in that here. You knowwhat I'm saying. I'm trying to,
you know, get that lockdown teamin there. I'll let the less two
spots or less spot be my mydecision maker, not you know, I
try to limit my team. Iwant my core to be there. That
way, my decision making is alot easier, you know what I'm saying.

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When you have too many choices,sometimes you make mistakes and you're leading
points on the bench on a weeklybasis. You know, because you're starting,
Hawk has a chance to be No. I mean number two. I
mean, obviously, if Kelsey playsa full season but he has a chance
to be number two and catch somemore balls than than anybody not named Travis
Kelsey. So it's um, it'sit's an excellent, excellent way to round
that team up there after Evans andthen look, you need a running back.

(47:36):
You had Pollard and uh, youknow you're taking Kamara and Dylan you're
getting You're getting some some serious weaponsthere waiting till the eighth and ninth round
to find your RB two rotated in. Yeah. I mean, Kamara is
a gamble, but I think hissuspension won't be as bad as you know,
as people might have thought. Idon't see more than four games,
honestly, because of the way it'skind of being quiet in the news.
If it was louder, if itwas making more noise, then I would

(48:00):
feel like you would see a sixor possibly even longer. But from how
this is being handled, he's probablypaying them off and this is gonna be
probably two to four games. That'swhat I see. So I see a
guy. If I don't have to, I don't play him right away.
It's all right. As long asI am for the remainder of the year,
I'm happy with it. Jack,are you surprised that after the announcement
and the settlement, his ADP wasseven, pick seventy one, he goes

(48:22):
pick ninety three. He dropped twentyspots. I think people just don't know
what to do with It's still youknow, they're waiting for the league to
come in, and yeah, Ithink anytime there's uncertainty in what's going to
happen, those are places I liketo attack because I think people are very
you know, the Bengals, youknow what you're gonna get. It's the

(48:43):
same offense, it's the same players, the same you know, so you
can project it easily. And thepeople who do projections to do that.
I got that uncertainty, you don'tknow how to price it. I got
that wrong. His ADP was ninetyfive, so it's right in line.
He had been picked at seventy oneat one point in draft just too long
ago, but it was I sawthe seventy one next to the ninety five.

(49:04):
So yeah, it's basically no change. False as difficult. It's difficult
for people to figure out how toprice you know, four games versus six
games versus two games, and what'sthe probability of each and so they just
kind of say pass and let itgo instead of evaluating it fully, or
they just do it in like acertain build, right, Like okay,
if I'm doing like a zero orhero RB build, I'll take him and

(49:27):
and you know, I'll load upeverywhere else. I'll get like a you
know, a barclay or a youknow, an echoer, and then I'll
come back and grab him. Andwhen we have both those guys rolling with
my receivers and my quarterback and tightend being elite, then I'm cooking.
And so you know, that's there'sthere's too many ways to dress to where
everybody's there's too many people doing thesame thing and just kills it. You'll
have four guys going out receiver.Yeah, it just makes no sense because

(49:50):
then all the running backs are fallingeverywhere. You haven't built anything right,
you know what I'm saying. It'sjust it really scrambles the boardom I mean,
I've been in some really ugly dresswhere just things that people are just
forcing the whether they're starting five sixstraight receivers and then it takes six straight
running backs, or they takes sixstraight running backs and then take five straight
receivers or some something ridiculous that neverworks like this isn't best ball, right,

(50:12):
I mean, it's just silly thingsthat just don't make sense to me.
But I mean he takes the thrown. Yeah, you don't want to
make a mistake, and that somethingthat you define as a mistake in the
draft. That's the thing you wantto get through the draft thinking that's the
pick that I would have made iteven looking back at the draft order,
and sometimes it doesn't always work outthat way. We're gonna think that makes
sense. Don't force it. Toomany people are forcing the issue to create

(50:35):
something unique, and it just allyou're doing is creating other teams for like
better teams for other people. Bydoing that, sometimes you know what I'm
saying, because you're allowing other playersthat probably should be getting picked to fall
because you want to do it thisway. I will I will say Jack
that I noticed that less teams thisyear, and I'd love to do an
analysis. It feels like less teamsare taking QB and tight end in the

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first seven rounds because they know thatthat is really going to hurt their lineup
at the end of the day.I'm seeing a lot less of it.
It's like the FWC community, theyreally know their stuff R at this point
in July. Yeah, the firstsix rounds or so, I think most
it seems most common. You getlike one deviation from your you know,

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running backs and wide receivers is eithergoing to be a quarterback or at tight
end. You're gonna wait on oneand go for the other. But not
one person, not one person brokethat mold. Usually there's always a guy
in a draft that does something.It's like, Okay, that helps us
out, that gets us a littlebit of something, a little bit of
breathing room. But in July,you just don't see that. Here.

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Let's skip Squarehammer since he's coming onlater to talk about his team Lam Higgins,
Cooper Dobbins. Let's talk about TeamMeyer, Tyreek Hill, say Quon
Barkley, Adam Jamir Gibbs. Inthe third round, we talk about him
surging up the ADP, his ADP. What it what it was it coming
into tonight Jamir Gibbs. Gibbs wasgoing around the same thing through the three

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to seven. Okay, it's it'sit's just creeping creeping U. Joe Mixon
who's deciding to take a pay cutto stay with the Bengals. You know
what I haven't seen. I mean, are you a Joe Mixon drafter,
Adam, You know, I Iam beg like I just don't want to
be. But like there's just Ican't you have to write like he's he's

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there, there's she's taking Pacott likehe's gonna get the volume. They're in
a lead off, They're in asuper Bowl window, right, They're not
just gonna give the ball to somerookie, some third or fourth, fifth
round rookie, Like, Um,Mixon's the guy, and so he knows,
he knows the offense. And soyeah, I mean rb RB sixteen's
fine. You know, I think, um, i'd like to see him

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go a little bit lower like Isee him go around RBB twenty or so.
But yeah, I mean I thinkI think the reason they took him
here too is because again with theBarkley, maybe he doesn't play early on.
But but yeah, I mean,Mixon's gonna be gonna be there.
He's on a great offense, hehas a great playoff schedule. There.
I think he's got what the Chiefsweek seventeen, I think, um,
and so yeah, it makes sense. But Mixon is starting to he's getting

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older, Like I don't like himas a player, but the volume,
like Jack, I don't know howyou feel about it, Like I feel
like the volume is just just thereand in in a great offense. Yeah,
I mean I always think of Mixonlike naj Harris if he played for
a good team. You know,it's just yeah, it's volume. But
those are also those are really risky, you know, because they you know,

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they they trusted him, but butthey trusted him until you know,
late in the season and started tobring in Pugh Ryan to take the more
important snaps. So you know,the well, the volume is his until
it isn't, and up until thepoint that it is, you enjoy it.
But then you know they bring insomebody or the Chase Brown starts to

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play well or you know who knows, and the entire justification volume, you
know, is gone. Yeah,whereas somebody like JK. Dobbins next pick,
you could argue more explosive, youknow, there's more of a talent
profile to bet on volume concerned.Sure, but it's you know, the
eternal debate between talent and volume.I see that Joe Mixon went RB sixteen.

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Let's just talk about Sean's projections.He has him at RB thirteen.
He's the only running back in Seawn'stop twenty four running backs that's averaging less
than four yards of carry. Thatstands out to me. It's like,
okay, that's what you're getting.You're getting a volume guy, like you
said Adam and Jack. You're gettinga guy that's just a guy three point
nine yards per carry, fifty sevencatches though fifty seven catches you you're top

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fifteen, I mean period in thestory. You know, it's just it's
happening. It's done righted in Stoneas a starting running back. So it's
you know, and sometimes it's okayto have that safe pick that you know,
barring an injury, he's gonna getyou what he gets you, you
know, And a lot of timesyou can waste a pick here. I
don't think you're gonna waste a pickwith Mixon in the fourth round. So
Brandon I, Lamar Jackson, RashadBateman gets that little combo there, uh,

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and then gets his tight end inGeorge Kittle. Angelo, what do
you think about um Lamar Kittle withthat wide receiver corps um. It's an
interesting team. A lot of questionmarks on it. I mean, you
got I'm hearing allegations with Hill,so there's interest that that could backfire right
there. I don't That's why I'vebeen hesitant with him, because there's some

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news that's supposed to be popping outabout him. Mark Ley's worried about his
contract. Gives us approven We'll seethat. Nixon, I like, I
mean, I own him in Dynasty, but I've drafted him nowhere so far
in twenty plus dress. You know, he's he's a good player, but
he's he's he's just gonna get youwhat you're gonna get. You're not gonna
really go anything above that, youknow, Jack, We ought to have

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some we ought to have some successrates here with three wide receivers through ten
rounds. How many times that winsthe league? Well, not just three
wide receivers, but one of thembeing you know, a wide receiver that's
played what like fifteen games over thepast how many seasons? Yeah, Like
the problem, especially if you're takenFriarmouth, when you take him, the

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wide receivers that are now available thatare going to be potentially forced into a
starting role depending on how Bayman doesor at least you're you know, first
depth piece are It's gonna be quitea drop team Meyer, Can you please
light up this board with yellow stickers, Blaze, come on, I mean
it's the eleventh round. Just fireaway, you can do it. Put
some yellow stickers on the board.Bro Friarmouth, I mean, you don't

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need Farmer there. You need RomeoDobbs, you need Rashi Rice, you
need. Actually, I was hopingthe Dobbs is gonna fall to me.
I was kind of I was hopingI would sneap on because I was gonna
take him there. But I'm like, yeah, let me back up.
Kamara. Well, well that's theproblem here too, Scott, is you
don't need any any of those guyseither. You needed like you know,

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yeah, I don't understand the fireWe needed somebody earlier. It's like,
and that's the trouble that you getin when you get a fire away now
though, yeah, no, Iget it. I mean when when you
I mean, Beckham's got a badpick stack. There were there we go,
there we go, there we go. He's laughing at you guys,
now I see, But listen,you have to start three receivers in leagues

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like that full PPR man you canstart, you can get caught up quick.
Three running backs early man, youcan get I'm get in trouble quick.
Yeah. You know we were sayingearlier this isn't best ball. The
problem with doing like a heavy teamstack where you've got Lamar, Bateman and

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Beckham is that, Yeah, ifyou have the computer pick which wide receiver
goes off that week for you,then great, one of them is going
to go off. But but ifyou're relying on both of them to produce
in a given a week, likethat's um a stretch. Yeah, I
don't know. Let's move on tothe neck team resistance is futile. Starts

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off with Kelsey alave Alan Nothing wrongwith that, Aaron Jones, nothing wrong
with that. Treylon Burks, that'swhat you're hoping. We talked about that
earlier in the show. No DeAndreHopkins, James Connor, value, Elijah
Moore, Upside Gibson feels like value. That's still Jamal Charles trapped in a
commander's uniform, Darnell Mooney, TylerAlgiers, and Zay Jones. So no

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QB yet took the tight end earlyand is fired away back and Forth at
wide receivers and running backs, butat its core, it's starting four wide
three running backs, right, Soit's a lave Alan Burks and Elijah Moore
in your lineup every week. AaronJones, James Connor, Antonio Gibson in

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your lineup every week unless something changes, Adam, Yeah, I don't know.
Like this, it's it's a toughbuild when you start tight end Kelsey,
which I've done in this format plentyof times, and just the way
that it falls, I'm thinking myself, like, I don't love Allen there.
Who would I have taken us tokeenan Allen? Maybe Ridley, we

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talked about, maybe Watson, Likeit's just kind of an ugly like normally
it would be Gibbs, but Gibbsgoes early. There's nobody. Maybe Samuel,
but Samuel's gone thanks to ruthless.But it's just a kind of an
ugly spot here for him. SoI think he did the best that he
that he probably could. But Idon't like a lot of the micro Like

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I don't mind the build. Idon't like a lot of the micro like.
Take like, I'm not a bigAaron Jones guy, you know,
I don't know. There's just alot of I don't like a lot of
the players. I do like ElijahElijah Moore. But this, this,
this could be a tough one again. When you start tied down early in
nine times in premium, you reallyhave to have it follow a certain way
for you. Yeah, Jack,it is a it is a team as

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you as you look at it,there's no way there's nothing egregious about second
round, third round, fourth round. Even if you don't like the Aaron
Jones pick him and he's he's He'sstill Aaron Jones. Treylon Burkes is that
first time in the draft where he'slike, okay, let's take a swing.
And so if you're gonna take aswing in the fifth round, that's
okay, right, there's nothing wrongwith that either. Then it becomes James

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Connor, which is almost it's almostgiving you more of what you just had
in the fourth. Right, it'sa steady, solid guy, not gonna
win you, not a league winner, but are you gonna get a league
winner in the sixth round? Youknow, I think you know you can
argue about Travis Kelsey in the firsttight end and the first at all,
or you know, taking a tightend that early. But after that,

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you know, setting aside that itseems like a like a no mistakes draft,
there isn't any you know, there'sno big reaches. There's no you
know, like a Cadarius Tony typeof profile that you're hoping pans out.
Most of these are people that we'veseen performance from, you know, even
Keenan Allen, Like, yeah,he's old and that kind of scares us,

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but he's you know, the leadon one of the more explosive of
offenses that just got Kellen Moore.And when he was on the field last
year, he played as he traditionallyhas. There was no drop off to
the age yet, so you know, I he certainly could see more upside
than we're expecting here, you know, during draft season, just off of
some biases that we have. Butbut I think the most important thing is

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he's not making mistakes. There's nolike, you know, no blown picks
where something is just wasted. Everythingis developing towards the team, and you
know, the QB ten just went, so he's still got plenty of time
to grab one or two quarterbacks topair and there goes one. This is
where this is where Adam. Thisis where practice almost kind of comes into

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play, and it says, ifyou take Kelsey here in the first round
and you're in the sixth, seventhhole, this is kind of what your
team is gonna look like because ofjust because of circumstance. Yeah, no,
I completely agree. And it's justlike you gotta have the stomach for
you gotta have the and Jack madea great points and no mistakes. You
can't really hit any of the picks, but you can't really love a lot

(01:02:05):
of the picks because again they're allreally just adp based, you know,
and so um yeah, I meanit's just it is what Kelsey's got to
be awesome again and and he probablyprobably will be, but it's just there's
too many. There's just I don'tthink there's enough ceiling on a lot of
these guys to really let this thinghip. But maybe there's waivers. There's
waivers too, and this team isbut maybe he goes Jackson Smith and Jig

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but a spice things up in thesixth and says, Okay, give me
Madison in the seventh and you know, Jamison Williams in the eighth. You've
sexed it up quite a bit fromyour first five, sixth round because you're
just hoping for lightning in a bottlein those late late playoff weeks. But
this team is going to probably getto the playoffs and potentially because it's just

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got those fifteen college ian Ian andDemmi. They were like the number one
players in the world because their theirdraft strategy. Ian's draft strategy was always
fifteen points a week. That's youknow, that's all he wanted. He
just wanted that one guy. Hewasn't trying to break the bank. He
wasn't going for it. This isthe kind of team he would build and
it would get him there consistently inthe original w car format. So um

(01:03:13):
yeah, you know it's it's thatmiddle position. You take Kelsey, this
is and this is, this isa solid I'm I'm not a fan of
that squad. Not if you're gonnago tight end, you got to go
different. I'm not a fan ofit at all to me. I look
at it. He's three deep.That's a bunch of whole Hume question marks
everywhere. If I'm putting my moneyon this team bottom three, I just
can't see it. I don't seeit. He's the only advantage, he

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ass Kelsey other day, he's gotno advantage anywhere else. And the thing
is when you when you break intothese you've got to create advantages in certain
areas of the league. And ifyou can't do that, you're you're just
gonna be an average player week theweek. I just don't this team.
I don't see it going anywhere.Adam, how many? How many can
we have on at one time?Does this team have two hundred point potential?
Let me ask you that, becausewhen we play F F WC,

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you better put up two hundred pointsa few times a year if you if
you're gonna win your league. Idon't see that. That's the problem.
I maybe five you gonna dry.Let's let's give it a shot, all
right? Who who? And Ithink the answer Angelo is no, you
need it. You needed that,You needed that. Uh you need that
other piece in there? There issquare hammers. What's what's going on?

(01:04:19):
What's up? All right? He'ssee he's got he's prepared. He got
the cigar. Always the cigar willlast the draft, that's the thing,
you know. I mean I hadto be up and up and back to
the fridge a couple of times andthen I got to go to the bathroom.
You know, the cigar. Yougot no problems. You know,
it's just what's better than drafting andsmoking and hanging out. You know,

(01:04:43):
are you in the backyard? I'min You're you're you're home now. Yeah,
yeah, beautiful. Yeah, wellit's good to see you. Man.
Let's talk about you this grass plot. You got the five hole,
you took CD Lamb, and youfollowed it up with a couple of other
wide receivers. So talk about thedraft. Yeah, so, um,
you know, I know you guysmentioned to build and why I took Lamb

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there. I definitely like Lamb.I like him a little bit better than
Hill. It was between Hill andLamb, but Hill with his situation.
So and I have a lot ofEckler stocks. So I'm trying to build,
and I'm in a ton of thesedrafts, so I'm trying to build
a little bit different team. Youknow, five wide receivers pretty much every

(01:05:30):
week. I hope to start maybefour and then go with three running backs.
So you know, I'm trying tobuild a solid team top to bottom,
where like you said, get fifteenseventeen points from every starter. You
know, you're kind of good togo, so you know, of course
you'd like to get other players.But what I'm noticing a lot in all
these drafts I'm doing is guys aren'twaiting. They like the player, they

(01:05:55):
take them, and to hell withthe ADP at this point, as you
see a lot of things going onthat didn't that didn't happen before. Um,
okay, you go ahead. Youcan go ahead and make your make
a pick here Ceedee Lamb t Higgins, Amari Cooper, Jack Lamb Higgins Cooper.
This is this is your kind ofdraft, right You're taking wide receivers

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yellow stickers. He finally caves andsays, give me. Dobbins follows it
back up with Marcy's Brown, doesn'tget greedy with the with the with the
running backs, and then hits him, bangs in a couple more times with
Pierce and Javonte Williams. No,he's given himself plenty of outs, and
I think, you know, itmakes sense what he's saying about trying to

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diversify from from a first round perspective, because you know you can there's a
lot more flexibility as you get furtherin the draft to take it in different
players, but really in the firstround you're within four or five spots,
want to make sure you're taking peopleat the opportunity you have in your draft
spot. So it makes sense todiversify with Lamb if he's trying to mix

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it up. And certainly, likeAdam was saying earlier, the Lamb Higgins
teams are not gonna be as many. Yeah, it's funny when you do
enough of these and do this,you know as much as we do.
It's like you just see, likeyou see a pick like that, like,
yeah, he's just trying to diversify. He's trying to get his about
Higgins Stacks. Yeah, I mean, everybody's so good at this now,
you know, there was I've beendoing drafts probably longer than all you guys,

(01:07:27):
probably the oldest guy in this league. I would think I've been drafting
since like nineteen eighty two, andof course it's starting the rain fantastic Um,
so you know, things have reallychanged a lot, drafting out of
magazines having to be prepared. Um, they make this really easy. You
guys make it really easy to justkind of you know, you can do

(01:07:47):
auto draft and kind of get anythingyou want. Now, Um, you
know, so it's it's really different, you know. Yeah, Now,
Angelo, were there anytimes you guysare drafting side by side here? Uh?
Did he snipe you anyway? Uh? And then we'll ask follow back
back up with Ash whether whether yougot you felt sniper? Actually, fortunately

(01:08:11):
he hasn't. No, he hasn'tat all. But I like his team
though, but no, no,Actually I think Biso got me a couple
of times. But uh, Squarehas been all right, He's been good
to me. Yeah, Angelo,I think I would have taken Debot before
Cooper, so obviously that was theone I really Um, yeah, that's

(01:08:32):
the one I felt I probably wouldhave changed it up. I'm happy with
Cooper and everybody kind of down placehim. But every year he puts up
over a thousand yards, gets hiseight touchdowns a year. You know,
he's he's rock solid. So ishe a guy who's gonna excite you know,
but he'll put up the points.Um, So you know, I'm
happy with what I did here.Um. You know, you're never happy

(01:08:56):
with your team. You never thrilledall this is the best team. But
you gotta do the as you canbecause everybody in this draft is very good.
It's interesting. You guys use theseven eight combo for a tight end
running back. You went Hot Kamara, he went Javante and Goddard. You
know it's um, it's a it'sa similar strategy there to to snatch that
up after you've secured your four wide. Jack may a snag five or six

(01:09:20):
wide at that point. But forfoorld world, Um, any anything else,
any any other picks here that youfeel like you're snagging in a lot
of drafts. I mean as asky More, a kJ Osborne uh or
or square Lezard or are you findingthem on your teams repeatedly? Lazard and

(01:09:44):
Heeling No, I'm sorry, sorryto huh Lazard and Feeling. No.
I took them because I thought theywere the best value. I mean,
I could have went Beckham debating thosetwo guys, but I think Feeling is
gonna be the safety blanket, uhfor Strout. Um so said, let
me get a guy who'll you know, been doing it for a while.
And Beckham, you know, comingoff that knee injury. You just never

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know, and a bad passing teamhistorically, So we'll see what happens with
that pick. But it was achoice between those two guys there Yeah,
Yeah, I actually, uh,I like more of those guys values are
they're proven receivers. With Saint Myers, Osbourne, Lazarre, I mean Lazard,
you can't I mean the connection hehas a Rogers, you can't discredit

(01:10:27):
that. I mean, you're gonnasee it through the course of the season.
You know. I'm not where you'redrafted him. You're not expecting two
hundred. But if he if hehits you one seventy shave, that's a
win, you know what I'm saying. I mean, when you're drafting those
bottom receivers, you're looking for guysthat are gonna get snaps and get targets,
you know. And I'm not inamory with all the rookies this year.
I mean beyond what the first twoor three guys they're the rookies,

(01:10:49):
are good love with them, youknow, so when you're what I'm kind
of I'm kind of looking at moreveterans around this this stage of the draft
than I am. Yeah, that'sthe thing. Like I think the rookies
this year, I think, Imean Addison will put up some nice numbers,
um, you know in jig Bubb, I don't know, um,

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you know, I like Quentin Johnstononly because of the injury factor that the
Chargers have every year. So Ilike him, um, and he could
definitely be a number one wide receiverfor that team if things, you know,
keep going the way they go forthose two wide receivers in ar.
I see that next year though notthis year. That's the problem. Yeah,
obviously for next year for Dynasty isa better choice, but you never

(01:11:32):
he's he's in our league, theone that we're at. Actually, that's
funny. Uh. Let's let's let'smove on with the rest of this draft
here. Uh, let's move onto Los Lobos. Los Lobos starts with
a Jay Brown. We talked aboutthe Breece Hall pick, comes back with

(01:11:54):
London Godwin. Josh Allen. Ifeel like, you know, you have
to do something about a slow startfor Breece Hall. He solves that with
DeAndre Swift, David Montgomery and JamesCook. Uh. It feels a little
heavy handed here to try to solveit in that manner with that heavy of

(01:12:15):
a running back cycle, only havingthree running backs and taking your QB that
early. Feel like you need alittle bit more wide receiver love here,
Adam Um, but the three widereceivers you can't complain about. No,
I mean, London's a little alittle scary, but fine, really it's
kind of work. Well. Ijust think that, you know, the
passing volume is going to be it'sgoing to be pretty pretty low there.

(01:12:39):
But where he's going, I meanI like him better than Pitt, you
know, so there is that,but I think he's it's it's it's fine
where he's going. But uh yeah, but Mingo when he's your fourth I
like Mingo. But again, widereceiver fifty three, it's tough to you
know, get volume. Those guys, like like Angela was saying, like,
hey, if you look for whatyou how do think these guys in

(01:13:02):
this in this range? Great?Um? And it's funny how you've got
you know, we're talking about therookie receivers. How we're worried about how
the how they're gonna perform. Youhave like two teams that took a lot
of This team's got Mingo and Read. You know, Team ones got Smith
and Jigba and Johnston. So yougot a lot of teams that are kind
of those receiving receiving rooms. Andthe MEM's here again for this other team

(01:13:26):
so Dalton Kinkade. So some ofthe teams, you can tell some of
these guys who are the big timedynasty players. Yeah, yeah, you're
you're you're you're swinging, You're tryingto catch lightning in a bottle. Maybe
there's some chemistry with the quarterback andmaybe it helps. Maybe it's your ink
one Bolden like you you had,you know years ago. You know,
it's just something somebody to give you, that that lift that you're gonna need.
But I feel like in the FWC, you gotta start two flex.

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You gotta start two flex. Yougotta make it through the bad, the
bad weeks, the bye weeks,the injuries, the tough matchups. There's
a lot of factors there that affecthow many points your wide receiver are gonna
put on the board. And it'snice to have options. I mean,
that's that's why Jack's draft seven ofthem through three eight rounds. That's that's
a future many rookies though, man, that's yeah Mingo. I mean,

(01:14:13):
I love his I love his core. Paul obviously we'll see what happens with
him, but then you still gotyour question marks. Let's swift James Cook
and all the usage is gonna beover there. But then then this is
your this is your flex plays mingomore read. That's that's tough man.
You're you're really setting yourself up forsome hard weeks. Let's put it that
way. If it was Parley wouldhave taken instead of Hall. And I'm

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I'm a Jet fan like you,Scott, so you know Bruce Hall.
I think in the second round therewas a tough pick and then London.
It's a tough way to go.You know, if you're taking Bruce at
two five, which is ahead ofadp, which is fine because he you
know, if things hit right forhim, he could be RB one like

(01:14:55):
he has that sort of potential.So if you believe in that and you
want to take him in in thesecond round, that's fine. But then,
you know, I think you're hedgingyour bets after making such a confident
that instead of Swift you could havegot Evans, Addison, Dotson, js
N, Brandon Cooks, you know, to give you a little bit more
options or a little bit more depththan wide receivers. So if you're gonna

(01:15:18):
make the bet, then follow throughwith it, um and then Montgomery as
you're you're running back too is afine running back too. That's a great
way of thinking and talking it out, Jack, because you did you you
made your bed with the Breecee Hallpick. You're going up against the thousand
teams. There's no hedging at thispoint, right, not not not against

(01:15:41):
these players, there's no hedging.You take Breece Hall and you make your
strength stronger at that point, right. Taking more running backs because now you're
you're fearful that Bruce might not beready is only going to make the gap
between you and your opponents even evengreater. So but but but look,
you got Josh Allen, You're gonnayou're gonna pick up some points there.
Um, you just hope that youcan. You can you know, catch

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lightning in a bottle with a coupleof those players. Matt the Hoople,
let's talk about Mata Hoople. Thisis the Snake, Uh, infamously the
Snake. Garrett Wilson, Jalen Waddle, Calvin Ridley, Travis et n h
could Darius Tony in the fifth,Dalvin Cook in the sixth, Justin Herbert

(01:16:27):
Kyle Pitts. Let's stop there througheight rounds. Adam Uh he was your
co host last week. Let's talkabout it. Yeah. No, I
think it's okay. I mean,I like the build. Cook is a
little question mark for me. Youknow, he's got some landing spot if
he lives in Miami. I loveit. Tony question marks for me,

(01:16:51):
But we'll book it again. Wilsonlove Wilson waddle love Waddle. Ridley kind
of all over the place. Peopleare all over the place on Ridley.
Um, talk to some former mainmain event champs a couple of nights ago.
They love the Jaguars offense and Ridley. So you know, etn you're
getting two pieces that offense. Sothat will be interesting to see gets himself

(01:17:14):
an elite quarterback, gets himself possiblyan elite tight tight ends. So yeah,
I think I think the core isfine. Uh Cook. He needs
Cook to get a nice landing spotwhere he's getting most of the work.
And then um, he needs Tonyto stay healthy. I'm I'm gonna demand
do you Angelo, Angelo. Ithink I think it's the best draft tonight.

(01:17:35):
I think he's got Oh. Ithink I mean you can't. I
mean every pick, I mean onthe money, Snake, you got a
body. Sorry, I thought wewere gonna have this competition get him in
the ring together, and and thenyou show him all this love. This
is just like he's in the beliefthat if you love his team, he's

(01:17:58):
gonna lose. So he's he's he'sthe opposite guy if if you if you,
if you hate his team, thatmeans he'll win. So you want
he wants you to hate his team. He doesn't want you. So I
absolutly how can you argue with Wilsonin the first round. I mean,
he's three hundred guaranteed. Yeah,correct, No, but all honestly,
though I do like his draft.Though I don't hate it, I do

(01:18:20):
like it. Yeah, there's somequestion marks, but I mean when you're
looking at construction of rosters, thisis you know, look at this,
and this is a good blueprint ofhow you should build a draft where it
gives you great playmakers. You gottwo I mean, Cook's gonna sign.
You're gonna have two solid running backs. You got your you got your tight
end, you got your quarterback.Now you just gotta play with your your

(01:18:40):
death, you know, And that'sthat's what you when you any draft,
you do, that's what you want. So I can't argue with this.
This is actually a really good draft. By the way, when we say
Cook's gonna sign and and and he'sgonna play somewhere, sure, but he's
gonna play somewhere in a time share, this is not Dalvin right. So
I mean, I guess, chickme pick. I mean with the two
teams in the whole league that areyou know, so it's yeah. I

(01:19:06):
mean his team is definitely well wellconstructed. Um. You know, uh,
I think Tony was a question markthere. Um Dalvin Cook, like
you said, he'sn't gonna be ina time share. Um. I mean
as a Jet fan, I hopehe signs with the Jets, although that
would be terrible for I would suckfor Breeze. Um. But um,

(01:19:30):
Herbert's a great quarterback, pits greatupside um. Rashad Penny always has upside
um, so definitely has a RashadShrahid. I definitely like him a lot
um where he got him. So, you know, he's definitely put together
a good team. Like I said, everybody in his draft, I'm looking
and I don't see any like bigglaring mistakes. Um. And usually you

(01:19:55):
know there's always one team that kindof does that. We I drafted last
week in the RVB and something hetook like four defenses or something like that,
which is kind of crazy. Allright, let's move on. Whitney
SportSG points leader from last year runnerup. We talked about it, right,
You're a points leader all the regularseason. You don't finish it,

(01:20:15):
but you come so close. Youknow he wants to take another crack at
this. Austin Ekeler falls to ten. You take Austin Eckler, Davante Adams,
Michael Pittman, Jack Any any concernabout Pittman and we're gonna this talk
straight player evl here with Anthony Richardsonas quarterback. Do you feel like wide

(01:20:38):
receiver twenty one's a good spot forhim? I don't know how you can't
have concerns about you know, MichaelPittman. You're dealing with not only a
rookie quarterback, but a rookie mobilequarterback who's gonna tuck and run more often.
And on top of that, onethat deals with you know, accuracy
issues, probably more so than you'rea heaverage rookie arterback. And then on

(01:21:00):
top of that, when he doesdo well, where he exceeds is uh,
you know, the deep ball,which is gonna be Alec Pierce instead
of Michael Pittman. You know MichaelPittman more. You know, big body
possession receivers. So there's just there'sa lot of currents running against Michael Pittman,
especially at that price. Yeah,that's a confusing pick that that pick

(01:21:23):
there was I don't know, man, that wide receiver, that pick didn't
need to be made right there,I'll tell you that much. I would
as wide receiver thirty four. Yeah, I mean even if you wait to
the forefront, that's fine, ButI don't know that's way of an overreach
for a guy that had one hundredcatches and not even what nine hundred yards,
did even break a thousand yards lastyear. He's just trying to set

(01:21:44):
up the Richardson stack, which hedoes later on. But I don't think
you need to you don't, butyou don't need to stack us quarterback,
right yeah. Like, but he'sa believer, he's a believer marketing.
You know what. You know whatwe draft volume though, so let's be
real here. This is probably manysquads that he's buildings. So I can
understand why people do certain things whenwe draft these because you know, this

(01:22:04):
is my ninth squad already, youknow what I'm saying. So, I
mean I do different things to mixit up. You kind of have to,
you know, you don't want tobeat you too many shares of too
many guys because that can kill youtoo. You know, kind of want
to balance it out, create andsee what happens. Yoh, and he's
got the running backs covered with Sanders, Eckler Madison. That's good there.
I just that Pittman picked. Yeah, you go get your guy. Though,

(01:22:29):
you go get your guy. Maybeit's obviously his guy because he paid
such a price he had to scrolldown the list to get him. I
mean, it's on the ADP list. So when you go get your guy,
you go get your guy. Now, could he have fell to wide
Receiver thirty four where his ADP isand you took him and staid of saying
it? Yeah, but you know, um, if you have a guy
that grabbed your guy, if youhave a belief in somebody, Hey,

(01:22:51):
at the end of the year,when you review all this, none of
this is gonna be as is.The guy in the fifth is gonna be
the first. The guy in thethird sho'd been an eighth you know,
nobody knows the exact correct process ofputting the right points together. You know,
we're just assuming a dpad ADP.So if you have a belief system,
go with it. Go with it, Go with your gut, go
with your instincts, and see whathappens with it. And if it works,

(01:23:14):
go if it doesn't, now youknow what to do maybe for next
year. You know what I'm saying, well, because if you want to
limit and again, can you whiffon a picture? You can with on
any pick, and any pick canroll the ankle of high ankle sprain,
torn acl anything like that can happen. You lose your pick, you'll look
back on your draft and you'll havemaybe five nice picks that carried you to
the you know, the playoffs.I'll give you a quick start. I's

(01:23:36):
what I mean about guys going AndI ended up putting twenty. I had
Adrian Peter. So that's the yearyou up as kidded and got suspended for
the whole year. But the restof that draft, I ended up drafting
it accordingly and it ended up stillgiving me what I needed it to do.
So you can't lose a first round, second round pick but you better

(01:23:56):
be on the money with the restof your draft, and you better hit
them waivers, because that was whatwanted for me, actually was waivers.
Yeah. Two more teams to breakdown from the box. What's in the
box up? Adam Jonathan Taylor,Bijean Robinson, Christian Watson, Christian Kirk,
Tyler Lockett, Cam Akers, NicoCollins, who's apparently the favorite target

(01:24:17):
for C. J. Stroud andTyler Boyd and Joku and Watson for the
nine ten combo there, it looksnice talk about those first eight picks.
H Taylor bees On. I likedit. I like what he did.
It's in a similar fashion of whatof Snake did. Similar style. Build,
get your receivers, get your runningbacks, filling your core. Can't

(01:24:39):
argue with the team three three legitrunning backs he's he's got. He's got
three legitimate receivers with two with Collinsup and coming. Possibility. Boy,
you don't give you what he givesyou. But I love what he did
there. That's a good team.Yeah. I look what he did too.
I you know, with Taylor andBijan, I would have preferred to
see him go maybe with like alamar In the sixth round or something to

(01:24:59):
give him a a really good Hewould have a massive advantage of running back
and have one of those elite quarterbacks. I think would have been a nice
thing there. Just still go withthose five volumet receiver loaded kind of stacked
at running back, and maybe hecould have come back and gotten UM seventies.
Still could have gotten maybe said ofCollins, maybe he goes lamar and

(01:25:19):
in Madison or something like that.Um as opposed to because I think Nico
maybe went a little early here too. Maybe wide receiver for forty six.
But I like Nico, But Ijust think when you take in a in
a start three receiver, you canstart up to four or five when you
go Taylor Bijon, just let thoselet those dudes ride and go get an
advantage at quarterback or even or eventight end overtaking your third running back.

(01:25:43):
I would agree with that, butI don't hate it. I'd certainly like
you're saying Angelo, I'd like tobuild. It's fine, No, I
agree, except what you said makessense too. Makes sense. It's all
on how you see it as you'regoing along too, you know, so
you like you. Some people feelthey have to have that third running back,
so they won't do that, likewhat you just said. They gotta
have that third guy no matter what. Yeah, so he built a solid

(01:26:03):
team. I mean, you know, like you said, I you know,
maybe I would have changed it aroundand definitely picked the quarterback Arlie to
give him an advantage. Um,but all his guys, you know,
he has a starting lineup set um. You know, definitely a team that's
going to be you know, competitivefor sure. I want to know that

(01:26:25):
is that is red Zone Raiders.He won the mock Draft World Championship,
so uh that's that's a fun contesttoo, mock draft now dot com for
the plug. I want to knowwhat inside information he has an Arizona because
you know, Kyler Murray in thethirteenth, which you know obviously a high
upside and take your stab, butI've seen Kyler in these drafts go like

(01:26:46):
seventeen, eighteen, nineteen, twentiethround. So to take him to the
thirteenth, you know, certainly,uh yeah, it's a thirteenth round pick,
so you know at that point themarginal gains. But but I think
there must be some sort of strongconviction in Kyler's return to take him there.
Yeah, q QB twenties is adphmm yeah chance, chance, I

(01:27:09):
mean if if not too long agowe were looking at him as as the
highest ceiling of any quarterback, youknow, right there with the home So
it's can you get it back?That's that's yet to be seen. Let's
finish it up with team Cruise asfrom the twelve hole. It's always nice
to work on the end because youknow you're gonna you're not gonna get sniped.
Uh. Diggs, I'm on raw, Jerry Judy, Naji Harris now

(01:27:30):
is a fourth round pick. Gottalove Jalen Warren somewhere here, Rashad White,
Joe Burrow, Gabe Davis, andZay Flowers makes the eighth round here,
So, uh Jack, let's tacklethis one together. Diggs, I'm
on raw, Jerry Judy, that'sthat's your kind of build. Naji,
Rashad White, Burrow, You're you'regonna laugh at me. Uh. You

(01:27:57):
know, I do like the threewide receivers start. I like those three
wide receivers in particular. I justwould have gone with different running backs.
I get I have personal, youknow, stance. I'm not really thrilled
with nause, especially as a fourthround pick. I think Rashad White I
have concerns, you know, notonly like rookie year with Tom Brady didn't

(01:28:23):
really flash much. And now it'sa Baker Mayfield offense. You know,
just some concerns there. So Ilove the wide receivers, but but yeah,
I would have showed up running backa little bit differently. I think
Rashad White is the only other runningback John Child's projected for under four yards

(01:28:43):
a carry in the top twenty fourat three nine yarder carry. And I
don't think it's an indication of anythingto do with the player Rashad White,
but it is, like you appointedto, it's that offense, it's that
offensive line, and it's the justthe the potency of a Baker may feel
more kindout trask led offense. Ijust don't think it's gonna scare many people.

(01:29:03):
And you know, I don't thinkthere's anything wrong with those players to
sprinkle in. I just worry aboutyou know, your four running backs are
Nagy, Rashad White, which wejust discussed, uh Sma gp Ryan,
who you know may be very good. But if we were wrong on Javanti,
that could be a problem and hecomes back earlier than we think.

(01:29:25):
And and Brian Robinson, you know, kind of just a volume guy that
seems to be getting out played byAntonio Gibson at times. And Gibson seems
to be more of the b enemystyle guy. So you know, again,
nothing wrong with any of these players, nothing wrong with the way that
he was drafted. But I feellike when you have that many running back
question marks consolidated together on one team, that that that's probably the one drawback

(01:29:48):
on this team for me. Yeah, it's okay to have that many question
marks, you just don't want themin your fourth and fifth round picks,
you know what I mean. Likeif you're gonna go look a straight zero
or something like that, I thinkyou can. You can have those question
marks, but without that draft capital. I love get Gabe Davis's right receiver

(01:30:09):
for forty seven. He's a guyI've been getting a lot. I mean,
that role. It's probably not goingto change much. He was playing
with a high ankle spring a lotof the year. Josh people for get
Josh Allen's playing with a busted elbowfor most of the year last year too.
So if you can accept some ofthose tea balls didn't connect that last
year. I mean he was going, you know, wide receiver twenty one,
nineteen eighteen somewhere in there last year. I mean, just a healthy

(01:30:31):
game David healthy, Josh Allen.He could be an absolute smash his right
receiver. You guys remember when theHigh Stakes Pros or the FWC and FPC
we're all taking Gabe Davis in thethird round. I mean it was third
and fourth round Gabe Davis from lastyear. I mean it's it's it's best
ball Gabe Davis. Now right,that's right, bestball game Davis. Okay,

(01:30:53):
that's that's the twelve teams. Wewill give these guys a chance to
look and decide who their favorite teamis in the draft. But first we
talked about the news segment. What'sin the box? We're gonna we're gonna
break it out right now. Whatis in this box? That is what
we want to know, what everybodywants to know. Uh, you know,
look, it's it's a little somethingfun that we're doing now. Occasionally

(01:31:15):
we'll have some giveaways just to makeit fun. And what's in this box
are a few items that depending onwho you drafted, Um, there'll be
a little price. So here wego. We're gonna open up the box
and right off the bat, what'sthat say? One hundred and fifty dollars
in FWC for chig a conquo.Oh, chig, that's proves twelve jig.

(01:31:48):
Hey, you know what you justyou just you just uh, you
just made that draft a little better, my friend, a little cheaper.
Okay, what's next in the box? Now he only loses two hundred bucks?
That isn't Antonio Gibson again, No, no, no, take a
look. Where's that Antonio Gibson there? That's numbered Resistance is futiles Scott.

(01:32:16):
Wow, big time Antonio Gibson.Rookie, I said Jamal Charles. Uh,
now, this is a veteran autographcard Chris Godwin, Godwin, Oh,
Chris Godwin autograph Los Lobos, LosLobos. That's sweet Los Lobos.

(01:32:40):
Congratulations, Wow, very nice.All right, we've got uh, there's
there's something else in the box there, it's something there's something else in there.
We're gonna sit it down here.We're gonna open this one up.
This one looks pretty cool. Whatis in here? I'm excited? Where
we gotta here? We gotta Okay, what what does this say? Ravens

(01:33:04):
that Ravens defense? What is that? What does that say? You know,
Bateman, the gift that keeps ongiving. Let's open that bad boy
up. Who drafted a shot Bateman? Team Meyer Meyer Wide receiver forty three.

(01:33:29):
I like that pick, by theway, Yeah, nice autographed,
sweet with a patch. Looks likeI gotta have the patch, se Bateman.
All right, we're spreading out.Finally we've got this. I win
the gold box. What is inthe bag? In the box, in
the bag, in the box,in the bag, in the bag,

(01:34:00):
we got Josh justin Field select piratemonkeys. Oh my god, pirate monkeys,
pirate monkeys. He won the uhhe won the Aaron Donald helmet.

(01:34:23):
Not too long ago, I believe, very welcongratulations. That's what was in
the box. That's a six hundreddollar card right there, bros. Why
you could you could throw that onthe bay, right You can throw that
on the bay right now, oryou can hold out and hope that he
ump makes his move. That's right, he couldn't make his move, all

(01:34:44):
right, Adam, Let's go backto the draft. Let's talk about the
team that stands out to you couldn'tbe one of the two guys that's drafting
here that's on the live stream.Maybe am I up? I'm probably don
Am I picking who who who Ilike? Well we'll start. We'll start
with ash Ash. You got ateam? Who who you like? Is

(01:35:04):
it yours? Um? I definitelylike Team twelve. I liked Team twelve
up until Rashad White. Um,he definitely Joe Burrow was a guy would
have liked to get come back aroundto me to pair up with Higgins.
But I do like his team.Um, you know, I'm not gonna

(01:35:27):
be a homer and say I likemy team. I always like my team.
So if you don't like your team, you shouldn't be drafting. Um
and uh, I think I thinkAngelo has a good team as well.
Come on, Kabash from Kabash.I mean actually I like his team.
I mean I like, I lovewhat Square did you know? I like

(01:35:48):
what what Snake? Did you know? Even a team one? I mean
I like how his felt. Imean Prescott Run twelve. I mean that's
a that's a solid team right there. It should be a competitive league.
Yeah, the team at like,uh, I'm just one there's like I

(01:36:08):
like Ruthiss and Square, both solidteams. I like the build a team
um of thirty three bucks. Iknow, I know because they took like
five straight receivers here. But youknow, I like Jake. I like
when they go receiver, running back, running back. I feel like that's
that's the sweet spot of kind ofhow these draft go. And then after
that, you know, Kenneth Walkercould be you know, I got a

(01:36:30):
guy that could have been a topsix or seven running back on in this
draft if it wasn't fun, thecharbonning, so you know, and then
this loading, getting getting getting volumea receiver. I don't even care about
the micro takes, although I dolove Quentin Johnston Jamison Williams later on,
so so we'll see. I likeJefferson as a receiver in a half out

(01:36:50):
of there. So um, Ilike that build alive it. I got
more probably more team bills like thisstyle. And I knew what I did
today, So I don't know thisyear's weird with me. Usually I'm gonna
receiver a guyhood. I don't knowthese drafts are weird this year. Man,
They're going so early. Yeah,it's just there's things that I listen
to me the way I look atit, there's things that are happening in

(01:37:12):
drafts that don't make sense to me, as far as people taking people way
to way beyond where they need togo and then leaving other players there that
should have been like taken. Youknow what I'm saying, I'm seeing way
too much in balance in the drafting. We'll see how it plays out,
but that's how I feel so funwith it. Yeah, I definitely see
that this year. Like I mentioned, everybody is all over the place.

(01:37:34):
Um, wide receivers are going somuch faster than they usually go. Um.
You know, you know Tehigans inthe second round. Did I love
it? No? But he wasprobably the best guy for me to take
at that point. Um. Youknow, I like Damian Pierce where I
got him. You know, theguy should be a workhorse on that team.

(01:37:54):
So you know things are falling.Running backs are falling, which you
never see. It's just a verystrange draft season. I'm sure when preseasons
thoughts, you'll see very different draftboards. At least it makes sense here
because you have a format where youcan start five and it's full point PPR,
So at least like it makes sensewhere some other sites, it's like

(01:38:16):
it's half PPR. You can't startfive, and it makes sense. Give
me a give me pirate monkeys,you know they can. You've got five
whyy that you can start every weekthat you can feel good about. We
already talked about my thoughts on Hopkins. You know, they press their advantage
with Stevenson and Henry. They don'tcome back to running back until the ninth,

(01:38:38):
which I think is good. They'retaking it upside quarterback and then they're
just leaving at B and then Ilove Higbee. Hey, Like there's no
one beyond Cup that I think isgoing to be you know, you know
what we're looking at Van Jefferson ortwo two at Well or like give me
a break. So I think TylerHigby is a great volume tight end to
go late. So I think it'sa team just has to stay healthy.

(01:39:02):
That's the key to this team.Team builds like this where you're heavy laying
on the top, you gotta stayhealthy. You don't stay healthy, you're
done. Yeah, But I doI agree with him. I like it's
a solid team. Took some respecton that two two name. Man,
I don't know. Uh, Look, I think I think I'm gonna go
with thirty three bucks. I meanthe one hole. You've got an edge
right now with Justin Jefferson. Yougot Jay Jetta on the board. Uh.

(01:39:25):
The running backs, I mean,I'm I'm not thrilled with the Jacob's
pick, but you know, aslong as he just take hold of the
board down, that's all I reallycare about. And then in Jigba Jamison
Williams, Quinton Johnson, he's gotenough depth here at wide receiver. Uh.
And look, you wait till thetwelfth round. That's how you do

(01:39:46):
it. That's how you win inthe FWC. You want to be last
or next to last, taking thatquarterback h twelfth round and taking Dak Prescott,
who's probably going to throw a tonthis year, because have you seen
how much disrespect is on Dak Prescottright now? They are gonna let this
guy air it out and they haveto. There is there is nobody to

(01:40:08):
um, you know, pound thechains and move the chains. Tony Pollard,
that's not that's not his game.And and if they do that to
him, that's a that's a disserviceto him. So and Juwan Johnson he's
gonna I think he's gonna be uhbe perfectly serviceable for for Derek Carr in
New Orleans. So, look,this is a tough draft. I think
you all nailed it. There's noteams that stand out here that say,

(01:40:29):
you know what, put put slapthe you know, give me the check,
give me the check. I thinkit's it's a it's a tough league.
It's a tough time a year tobe drafting. You're trying to play
it and and feel it out sothat by the Tom August gets here,
you're ready for the for the bigboys, for the world Championship drafts.
So thank everybody for coming on tonight. Uh any any final thoughts,
adam uh No, no final thoughts. Next week we got some openings left

(01:40:54):
for the RVB. I will bejoining the crew for that. I think
I'm gonna jump in that draft.So I'll be potty with you, Scott
and doing some and actually drafting init. So it'd be fun to kind
of compete with all these whether allthese dudes. Sweet, I won't be
able to tell you what's in thebox. I go. I gotta win
something. I gotta win something.Come on, Jack, Thanks for coming

(01:41:14):
on, Angelo, Ash We appreciateyou boys. Thanks, have a great
weekend, everybody. This is aRed versus Blue. We've just made the
announcements about Circa in the Discord.Everybody else will get the email on Monday.
It's just you know, you neverwant to make the announcements on the
weekend. We gave it to theDiscord boys, so you know what's happening.
But Circa is gonna be off.The chain is gonna be incredible.
The whole team has been working nonstop on this deal and it's a long

(01:41:36):
term partnership. We've never let's faceit, the high stakes world has never
been embraced by a hotel property beforelike this, and everybody is freaking out
about it. So it's it's reallyexciting finally to do this something really special
for the players and have an incredibledraft experience. And we're gonna be doing
it all August. So if youcan't make it out an opening weekend,

(01:41:58):
where's your excuse? Now you gotall of August to come out, draft
a midstakes team, or draft aWorld championship team, or draft both Darius
Rutgers stars and stripe leagues are gonnabe there. He's gonna be drafting,
taking photos with everybody. Eric Dickerson'sgonna be This is their team too.
They love to draft. This istheir big draft of the year, so
come on out. It's gonna bea lot of fun. The whole team

(01:42:18):
will be out there and we're lookingforward to seeing you guys. So until
next week, Adam, so we'llsee you back for Red Versus Blue three.
See you guys,

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