Live FFWC Red vs Blue III High-Stakes Fantasy Football Draft

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Jack. Just did you just Jack? Tonight? Just Jack here in the
sep it simple in the draft room. Here drafting in this Red versus Blue
event. I finally get the draftin one of these live I've done this
format before, but not the RedVerse Blue. I'm super excited. How
you doing tonight, sir? Doingwell? Doing well? Drafting out of

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the five. Myself and our fearlessleader Scott Atkins joining us soon. I
guess he was getting worked out bythe New York Giants as a wide receiver
this afternoon or a running back,yeah, either one. I don't know
how much James Robinson's guy got left, but we'll see if he gets drafted

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tonight. Maybe maybe bit blat Mandal. Out of the one oh six,
we'll take, Yeah, we'll takeJames Robinson. But yeah, Scott's stuck
at the stuck at the fair withthe kids in the family, So I
don't I would much rather be wherewe are, so, but he'll be
in here soon and you're at theclock coming up here. Nothing nothing out
of the ordinary so far. Letme actually pull up the draft board here.
It's hard to do the draft boardand the draft at the same time

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because it's the same tab. Butjustin Jefferson, Jamar Chase, Cooper Cup,
Christian McCaffrey. Nothing out of thethe ordinary here. You're from the
one hi five. I'm from theone oh eight. Um Tyreek Hill for
you? Out of the one ohfive? What's your? Is he your?
Is he your wide receiver? Four? He's a he is um maybe

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tied for three. Okay, he'sa toss up with Cooper Cup. It's
pretty close. Yeah, And andfrankly, I'm not particularly worried about him
slapping a guy on the back ofthe head leading to a suspension. He's
done far worse, has gotten awaywith it, And I think the uh,
I don't know, the Alvin Kamarastuff showed us that this stuff can

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take a lot of time before anythinghappens. So I think the the legal
uncertainty is just a lot of worryand I'm more than happy to sign up
for more Tyreek Hill this year.Yeah, So give us a little um
while I'm on the clock here ina second, give us a breakdown of
Tyreek versus Cooper Cup. That's abig decision people have to make in their
big drafts this year. Are youdid you lean one way or the other?

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Yeah? For me, Tye breakergoes to just the quality of the
offense. You know, there's toomany concerns for me with the Rams that
they've fallen apart since the you know, they were the Rams that we were
used to seeing. And granted,Cooper Cup was certainly outperforming, uh,

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you know throughout the start of theyear prior to the injury, but just
another year with Matt Stafford a weekendoffensive line, or like just everything seeming
to fall apart. I prefer thethe overall quality of the Miami offense and
the opportunity that Tyreek has and reallythe focal position on the clock he has.
Interesting though, i'mnra st Brown goinga little bit earlier than you were

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used to at the six. Yeah, you can see. I was super
excited. I tried to draft Itried to draft Echler before it was my
turn. I'm clicking, like,why isn't it working? Not that I'm
super like, like this is myfirst Echoler share in this guy petition.
I was just looking at my playershares. This is the eleventh draft for
me for this midstake circa event,circa Fantasy Championship, which, by the

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way, we're doing these out inVegas this year too, in August.
Like, oh my god, it'sgonna be a blast. It's gonna be
so much, so much fun.You can get into an Eric Dickerson draft,
you can get into a Darius Rucker. Who do you in the Blowfish
draft? Come on, um,that sounds awesome. But this is my
first share is ADPs the one ohfive got him at the one oh eight.

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Love that. If I'm gonna geta guy that I don't have a
lot of, I'm want to gethim at value. But yeah, I'm
on Rod the one oh six forBip, Biplet Mandel Bitcoin. Listen,
he's a stud play, He's astud fantasy draft Bip is. He really
knows his stuff and this is obviouslya go get your guy pick here.
What do you think, Well,he's also one of those guys I'm an
Arson Brown. That is that,even if you want to call it a

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reach by ADP, just given whatwe've seen from him, given the rise
of the Lions as an offense,given you know his progression is player and
just really the amount of volume thathe's going to secure in this offense,
no one can argue with a halfa round reach on a player with of
a caliber like that, who couldbe easily be in that top tier of

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wide receivers next year. Yeah.And the other thing too, is Jack
that I gonna be asked to doafter like the first five or pick like
Tyree Hill, and then you've gotthe Kelc and then you've got the Austin
Ekeler, the two running backs,the four receivers, the tight end.
After that, I feel like I'mon a rise in the mix with Ceedee
Lamb even would Stefine Diggs. LikeDiggs, he's got a better quarterback than

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all those guys. But like Idon't know man at any and I'm a
Bills fan. I live in WesternNew York. At any moment, I
thought the wheels could fall off withDiggs, Like he's just so sensitive.
We saw it having a minute inMinnesota. Like again, he's an alpha,
Allen's and alpha. As long asthey're both healthy, I think it'll
be okay as long as they're winning. But there's some there, you know,
it's I feel like it's on aknife's edge up there in Buffalo.

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So I really feel like, youknow, any of these receivers, DeVante
Adams, Garrett Wilson who just wentcould be right in the mix there.
Yeah, I feel like after youget past the first four receivers, from
a receiver standpoint, it's really youknow, there's a lot of consensus on
that first four, and then afterthat it's really a toss up. And
like you were saying with Digs,you know, started the year just blowing

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up with fourteen sixteen targets, butthen really down the stretch largely disappeared.
So you've got that uncertainty with youspeaking of blowing up. Look who decided
to blow up the stream? Let'sgo, let's up Scottie. All right,
who's take I see Tyreeke and uhTyreek and Eckler. Okay, that's

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right, that's nice. Had todo it. Finally, this is my
eleventh draft. I finally get Eckler. Yeah, man, you gotta do
it. He's um you know,he was the play last year. He's
probably gonna be the player this year. And you know, regardless if they
pay these guys their money, they'rethey're still going to produce when they're on
the field. So dingo you get. You get a wide receiver here too,

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right at eight, you're still gettingone of these really good ones.
So yeah, that's that's that's theplan. I mean, I was hoping,
Bark, honestly, I was hopingto get some these these drafts are
too good. I'm hoping like Barkeleywill fall to me in the third round
or something, or you know this, uh this talk of hold doubts and
stuff, and he doesn't even makeit to me in a second. Yeah,

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it looks like the crew the chatroom some of the best minds in
the world of high stakes fantasy football. Here tonight. We welcome Jose John
uh stats guru. It's good tosee you, guys. Um Kelsey was
taken at one nine and Meyer ison the clock. He can go either
way too. It's wide open whenyou take Kelsey. But but if you

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don't get that wide receiver, you'rereally behind the eight ball, I think.
But it's either way, there's there'sthere's good there's good players here either
way. I won't. I won'tname drop I could. It's you're on
the plot, all right, Yeah, we all know what we want here.
We all know what we're doing.I mean Bip. Bip went ahead
and took it. It took hisguy at the one oh seven, so

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I mean or one oh six whateverit was so um so yeah, I
know we're all we're all out heregetting our guys. I took Waddle to
follow up with Keler. I loveWattle's floor, like I just think that,
like he's not he has a ceilingbecause of Tyreek Hill, Like he
can't. He's not gonna be thereceiver one there. But man, it's
so condensed that passing tree is TyreekHill and Hilt Wattle, and it's just

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like the offense runs through them.And that's so I feel like a wide
receiver eleven. Yeah, I'm morethan happy to do that and and a
lot of times. Right, wetalk about when you take a wide receiver
this early, you're also taking thequarterback because as we've seen with wide receivers,
like when you take a Ceedee Lamb, you're you have to have Dak
kind of be you know, bein that game because you're married to both

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of them, right, Unlike sortof a running back that you know,
regardless if a quarterback goes down,running back sometimes gets more. The offense
might not run as smooth, butyou're you're still gonna get a lot of
volume with your quarterback. The widereceiver really takes a dip. But with
the good thing with Miami, yougot Mike White. You know he's capable
of getting it down the field.He would love to have Tyreek on one
side and m and Waddle on theother. Sean has Waddle projected eighty nine

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catches, fifteen and a half yardsper per catch, thirteen and eighty six
yards and eight touchdowns. That's abig number. Those are big numbers.
Are big numbers, right, theyare, But like you said, the
percentage is going to uh, oneand one A. It's it's it's it's
one and one A and uh youknow, hey, that's that's the way

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that offense is gonna go. Andit's it's exciting to get either one of
those guys in the first two roundsNow, Jack, what's going on?
My man? You got Tyreek andwho'd you take? JT? Jonathan Taylor
can't turn down the value there.I've seen him slide a few times and
I think, uh, you know, there's a couple good running back options

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there. But but I like thecombination of Tyreek and JT. I think
the plays per game is going toincrease with Shane Stikeen. I mean,
I don't know how defenses are goingto count in the red zone for both
Anthony Richardson and Jonathan Taylor. Sothere might not be a lot of a
lot of targets. There may be, you know, some some snipes on

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the goal line. But I thinkit was going to be make up for
that inefficiency just by having to playfor both of them at playoff both of
them. Yeah, we've been seeingChub go. Sorry, and we've been
seeing Chub go a little earlier.It seems like over this last couple of
weeks ahead of JT. Now,Um, I looked at Sean's projections,

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just took a peak. He stillhas Jonathan Taylor at five, and he's
and he's not as high on Chub. He's got him down closer to the
ten range. But I have seenthis, This has happened quite a bit
here at the FWC where Chub isgoing early second round. Yeah, I
think that people like the safety atChub, you know, the you know,
the offense and the quarter back andhim not having you with Kareem Hunt

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and all that type of stuff.So I don't mind Chubb. I think
they're all in that same tier forme, honestly. I mean, I
mean, I'm doing a ton ofdrafting. I'll get a little bit of
Taylor, I'll get a little bitof Chub. Right now, I have
Taylor higher in my rankings, andI also have more have drafted Taylor more.
So I'm glad to see that theJack likes him as well. That
makes me feel better because it's youknow, not having that target upside is

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scary because yeah, I don't thinkthey're gonna check it down to him a
lot. That's just you know,mobile quarterbacks. Don't you don't do that,
and he is gonna get sniped onon the goal line. But I
think if that offense gonna be moreefficient, and like stiking, I think
is a is a big key inthat whole process. Did you guys already
go ahead? Go ahead? JackQuinn? Oh, I was just gonna
say. For me, it wasbetween JT and Tony Pollard was the choice
I was making. And I feellike that the tiebreaker there was that there's

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nobody else in the backfield but otherthan j T where I could there's a
realistic chance that the Cowboys can stillbring in a goal line bigger back to
take some volume from follows. Noquestion, no question, They're both both
really good options. Uh, itdoesn't really start to get real nervous.
I don't. I don't really startto get in until both of those guys
are gone. When both of thoseguys are gone, and then you're looking

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at Jacob Stevenson type tier. Withthe questions that we have around Jacob's taking
a stand, you know, umstarts get a little edgy. Yeah,
that's that's interesting. I thought youlike a Barkley or a Jacob's falling Barkley
goes right at adp Jacobs goes,I had an adp here. I think
I'm looking here. Yeah, hegoes normally, he goes mid third that

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the three oh five, he goes, I had an adpiece or there's guys
that are they're not afraid of thecontract stuff. I got Barkley. I'm
not afraid of it. I'll buythe Barkley. Jacobs. I'm a little
bit nervous. I'd like I'd liketo get I still like drafting it,
but I want him in the latethird, early early four, late second,
I think. But Squarehammer is comingon later, right he can walk
us through that, he is,he is, let's let's did you guys

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already do a rundown or do youwant me to go ahead and do that?
Go ahead and do that? Savedit for you, Okay. I'm
just glad I could make it.Man. I was sitting there like,
man, this ride is taking toolong for the kids, and then got
stuck by a train. But Iknew, I knew it was gonna be
closed. Uh, thank you guysfor for uh pulling pulling it together and
getting started on time. Hub Citywith the one hole. Phil Hartledge Jefferson,

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Keenan Allen, Judy, I knoweverybody is UM. I keep saying
this, there's there's a stigma abouttaking Keenan Allen this early, UM,
and then when you look at Shawn'sprojections there there there's there's really no worry
if you, UM, you know, Sean is more of an upside.
Here's what he should perform at ifhe stays healthy through sixteen games. That's
kind of how Sean's analysis works.And I'm kind of on board with that.

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UM. You talk about the hammyinjury that he had in Week one
after just twenty snaps. Then hemissed seven to eight games last season,
but he's still if you look atall the metrics, and a lot of
you guys I know are into theadvancement, the metrics are all still there.
That dude has a chance to putup a h elite numbers. One
hundred and twenty eight catches, fourteenhundred, fourteen hundred yards. I mean,

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that's the kind of numbers that arestill available for Keenan Allen. And
so you know that that's the onelast last year even after missing those seven
eight games. So he's got ahigh floor consistency is there and and with
that offensive coordinator at the Chargers thatI mean, they could put up career
numbers in that offense. So goodjob to Phil taking Jefferson, Keenan Allen,

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and then Judy. I don't knowif you guys have broken this down
yet, but Judy has been thetalk of Full Time Fantasy this week with
Shawn's uh if you know, Premiummembers can check out that outlook for Denver.
He's very high on Jerry Judy andhe feels like that's the player that
you want to fight for in thethird round as a wide receiver, he

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hasn't met wide receiver H fourteen.That's not Sean in the one hole,
is it? No? That isPhil Hartlage. Okay, perfect, Sorry,
I don't know the people's names yet. Can I just want to give
a general that I probably shouldn't dothis in the draft that I'm in,
in the round that I've talked about. Whatever, this is what we get

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paid to this is what I geget paid to do. This. So
the Doors took wide receiver twenty oneDJ Moore, who is probably and I'll
hont to see or reach wide receivertwenty one. We're taking receiver twenty one
over running back ten like Derreck Henry. I mean, I got Derreck Henry,
so I'm biased, but it's pasteighty ADP. I just feel like

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the receiver craze is. I knowyou have to start three and you can
start four and all that, butlike, and maybe you don't like Henry.
I don't know, man, Ijust I see it everywhere and it's
just people taking these leaps on unlessyou think the guys got like top seven
wide receiver upside, I feel likeit's just it's mel practice to be taking

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wide receiver twenty one over running backnine or ten or eight. Like,
I don't know, many Jack,what are you finding? You're doing a
lot of these drafts. I mean, maybe you don't like Henry or whatever,
but there's other running gids. Icould talk about gigs because I would
have taken gigs there too, Like, I don't know. I just feel
like it's getting and it's gonna getcrazier as you Two rounds later, it'll
be running back seventeen and wide receiverthirty eight or something like. I mean,

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I know you're a receiver guy.I'm a receiver guy too, but
eventually, no you gotta go runningback. In almost every one of these
drafts that I've been in, there'sbeen at least one of the second round
running backs that falls quite a bitfurther than ADP. And there's always a
third round running back that gets pushedpretty deep as well. And I think
those are great opportunities to grab value. I think the balance is always,

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you know, if I take thispick now, I might win this round,
but how does this set me upfor the next several rounds and trying
to catch up for it? Sobut I agree, I think you get
in these kind of avalanches and peoplestart playing off of what everybody else is
doing, and you know, Ican get pushed a little too far,
and that's where you get opportunities likeh Henry towards the mid to late third.

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Yeah, and I'm gonna show thisreal quick because I'm on the clock
here in a second. But thisis the visual ADP board for premium subscribers
over here. Incredible stuff, Scottthat you have on this you Derek Contry,
Look, he's I got him.He's you know, goes at to
two eleven. I got him atthe three nine or three eight, whatever
it was. And again we're takinglike who who got taken? It's just

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I feel like guys are getting wagehurts. It's taken high. But where
was the receiver that I was debotJudy went what hired dj J? I
mean, I guess he's moving.I actuallyn't realized he was going with a
three four turn. But like,it's just I feel like we're getting a
little odd of control here with withthese receiver, with the with the with
the amount that are that are goingso so high. Take your four take

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your fourth guy here, Eckler,Waddle, Henry, you can do uh,
you know obviously I would. Iwould assume you're gonna grab the best
available wide receiver, the one thatyou you cherish. Here. Yeah,
I think I like like a coupleof them here, I'm gonna go this
route. I think I like likea little Terry Terry McLaurin. And then

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the other thing too, and thenthen I'll stop ranting about this. The
other thing too, is they're allI feel like they're all in the same
tier. Like, so we'll golike reaching for guys that like DJ Moore's
even if you love he's in thesame tier as London and Watson and McLaurin
and all these guys like you couldhave just waited, you know, I

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don't, I don't know. Imean, that's just my my my thought.
I feel like we're people are lettingit go. We're running backs go
too too far. And because againhere we are wide receiver twenty five,
running back thirteen, I mean runningbacks. You went went crazy there.
I was hoping after I Jock Henrythat Gibbs or Haul will fall to me
in the fourth at the rate thatthis was going, especially with Team Mayer

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already had a running back. Sandpipersaid two. I was hoping I could
sneak one of those other backs in. But fine, Yeah, I was
gonna take a look at the otherpremium tool. Like you pulled up the
ADP board, there's actually ADP list, and that just gives you the high
low of the last ten drafts,right, and that's what we I'm interested
to see. Like you got Henrythat late Henry's latest the right here was

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pick thirty three. Yeah, justone time, one time that never happened.
If if I if I took thatout, sometimes you take out the
high and the low. If Itook that out out of the last ten
drafts, it only happened one time. Ninety percent of the time, he
doesn't get past pick twenty six,right, So I like how that works
on that ADP list. If youlook at it with ten the last ten

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drafts, you can take out one. That means that ninety percent of the
time you're getting him at you're gettinghim at twenty six. So it's a
tremendous value there to fall to you. That's the kind of pick that you
can't you can't miss right when you'retaking it because the values there, You
take it and you don't think aboutit. You know, even even lineup

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construction be damned. Really at theend of the day, when you get
a player that's gonna be projected toscore that kind of upside. Let's move
on to a good job for PhilHartlet he's got a good start. He
just needs to hang onto the railsand don't do anything stupid. I mean,
because he's got a really good start. He's got a lot of target
guys for full time here, SquareHammer, ashf Ashriff, Ifrabraham, uh
Ibraham, John Jamaar, Chase,Josh Jacobs, Calvin Ridley. Uh That's

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look I've seen Calvin Ridley go atthe two three turn before Jack. I
know, you know, you werethe first one to even make me a
little bit pause about this pick.Just talking about last show, you brought
up the fact that the time awayfrom the game has to be accounted for
somehow, some way, because we'vewe've we've seen it. Now you've brought
up Deshaun Watson as an example,But I don't think that's quite fair because

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he's a quarterback. It's a littlebit different wide receiver. Do we have
any other examples of a wide receivermissing Tom Slow getting back to the gate?
Maybe Ridley's going to be a secondhalf guy. Well, I mean,
I think probably not as many goodcomps, just due to the fact
that a lot of it's typically moredue to injury or a shorter term suspension.

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But I do think that there's biggerissues beyond just the time away from
the game. I think the relationshipbetween Trevor Lawrence and Christian Kirk is real.
I also, you know, ifyou look at some of the Trevor
Lawrence is more advanced metrics, he'sgot some problems facing pressure and that offensive
line as questions, especially with theirleft tackle getting suspended for the first four
games. So you know, it'snot a hate Phil, Phil, Phil,

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Phil's right. I thought I hadit. Nobody could just talk and
distract, distract Phil. I loveit. Yeah. If for those of
you at home or listening in thegym, Big Phil from the one hole

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took Dobbins Lamar at the four orfive turn, and I'm I'm and I'm
assuming that Lamar was your affection there. Well, Jack at Andrews, so
he was waiting to stay. Well, not only did I have Andrews,
I had Tyreek Hill they play inthe week seventeen. And I had Deebo
Samuel who they play in week sixteen. So guy, though he's a Louisville

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guy, he's a Louiville guy.If you would have known the story on
the guy that's sitting in that onehole, he's well, not only that,
but Alan's there too. You're like, well, you know, you
gotta figure Alan's gonna go before Lamar. You got a good shot there.
Yeah, he really, he reallydid. He really did twist the knife
is what he did. I mean, it's nice job Hill. Yeah.

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Calvin Ridley twenty twenty one. Thelast time we saw this kid, Um,
where's he at? Where's he aton the list? Did he play
in twenty Why am I not seeingany numbers in twenty twenty one? Where's
he? Ah? Uh? Hemet he twenty twenty one when he was
he played a couple of games andhad the mental illness. Oh that's right.
We yeah, that's right. Itwasn't just time off, it was

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it was also that in twenty one. Yeah, we had some time away.
So we have to go all theway back to We have to go
all the way back to twenty twentyin COVID year ninety catches thirteen seventy and
nine before we saw the true fullCalvin Ridley. Right, that's been a
while. Yeah, that's more thanthat's more than just a year off.

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Yeah, so Ash though he willbe on to talk about that etn Josh
Allen. He sort of got abalance attack there. He needs to fire
away at some wide receivers. Nowthat he's taken a quarterback in the fifth,
let's look at Pink Daily at thethree hole. Um, sorry,
go ahead, okay, Pink Dailyat the three hole. Wait a minute,

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my my, my software just blippedout here, and let me pullback.
Dink dink dink, Okay, CooperCup, Tony Pollard, Ramandre Stevenson,
Christian Kirk, Mike Williams. Iliked this build. I really like
this build. He really pulled itoff through five. It's a it's a
great start. Um, just gottakeep hammering away and firing away at it.

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I think he's I think his runningbacks are intact. The wide receivers
are looking good. Uh. Thisis Jerry Bryant and Andrew Palerimo, two
veterans of this format. They knowwhat they're doing. And look, we
need to we need to talk aboutCooper Cup because I'm telling you, I
mean, I was in the FSDAdraft and he fell. He fell to

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the one eight. And you know, it's a lot of old school industry
quote unquote experts in this in thisdraft. And you know he had tightrope
surgery on the ankle, and it'sa surgery that he didn't necessarily need,
right, but he got it.He got he got it fixed. I
tell you we would do you wedoing a mock draft championship today, Scott

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and you and you were talking abouthow he how he didn't need the surgery
but he got it. Anyways,just he got it anyway, rather than
letting it heal on its own.And uh, I mean, I think
it's the ceiling play, like whenyou're when you're trying to win the fifty
grand to turn this thing into ainto a big deal than just a league
win. You don't swing for thefences, you swing for the parking lot.

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And that's what the Cooper Cup Ithink pick is because he did have
miss time, but it was seventyfive catches through half, you know,
three eight games, so you knowthat we can see that that extrapolates to
a big, big season. Yeah, and look, mcveigh's bringing in Mike
Lafloor from the Jets. I meanthat is a little interesting there because will
that you can't call what he didin New York a success right out.

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Mcvaghs still the guy there. MaybeLafleur is just like another set of eyes
or something for McVey. But mcvay'sstud that the Cups. Yeah, I
think cups, Cupp and Hill.I think what you're going to see in
a lot of the big money draftsAugust comes gonna be Jefferson and Chase and
the Cup and Hill will probably rotateis the wide receiver three and four kind
of and then obviously McCaffrey will bein the mix there too. Yeah,

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but can you take him in frontof McCaffrey. I mean, I mean,
not expecting unless you're expecting an injuryand saying I'm forecasting, and you
know you can't do that with mccaffy. You can't even do that with any
player really in the NFL. Soit's like, I don't think I could.
I don't think I could do itthere. I can definitely do it.
Four, I can definitely do it. Three I can. I can
do it in front of Chase.I just can't do it for me in
front of McCaffrey. But yeah,I think the ranked twenty third last year

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and he only played eight games.Yeah, that's dumb. Yeah, I
know. I think Cup is sogood. And the thing about McCaffrey is
he's older. When Elijah Mitchell wasthere, he averaged like sixteen Fantasy points
a game or something like right inthat range, sixteen or low seventeens,
which is okay, it's fine,it's just not the Christian McCaffrey that we've
grown to lot again, when hewas they have so many weapons of probably

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with the Niners, as they haveso many weapons that it's when they're all
healthy, it's hard for them toeat. But when one is out,
the rest of them can eat.So we'll see. I think McCaffrey,
you gotta project him as the everbone. But in a draft, I
would I think I would go Cupover McCaffrey just because, I mean,
granted, Cup's coming off an injury, but Cow might be. Cow might
be the receiving version of McCaffrey.He has years where he's the best ever

(27:21):
and then he has years where hegets hurt and needs useless. So,
um, I feel like you geta lot of those out of those two
guys. Yeah. And then alsowhen you read Shaun's outlook. When you
read Shaun's outlook, he talks aboutthe offensive line. It's a suspect offensive
line, no doubt about it.It's it's it's not what it was,
uh during there there in their bigrun and during Cup's run in the past.
So he says you should be expectingshorter passes working around the line of

(27:47):
scrimmage. Um. And then yougot to trust that Matt Stafford is in
sound health. I mean, youknow him sitting there turning down a contract
restructure and that never feels good.You know. It's like, okay,
you know it is the is theis the vibe gonna be a good vibe
there in LA and or is itgonna turn south for you know? And
if it does, the problem isthat, you know, we're at picks

(28:11):
four and five like these are alljust may new cotails that are are really
making the difference and things that youwould typically ignore a few later, you
know, a few rounds later onright or at the level sure, but
at that level of an investment,Um, yeah, you're really scrutinizing the
finer points. I almost I almostwant to take Lamb if I'm gonna take

(28:36):
a receiver not name and I'm justbound to it, and I'm like,
okay, you know, because Lamb, I just don't see any question marks
at all, Like where where isthe question mark for for Lamb Other than
the fact that you know, ifDak plays poorly and the boo birds come
out, the Cowboys turn and benchingor something like that, I think the

(28:57):
biggest question mark for LAMB from anoffensive environment perspective is probably named Mike McCarthy
and just the play calling just shiftsaway. I think the loss of Kellen
Moore. You know, we don'tknow what sort of impact that's going to
have, but but to me,that's the biggest doubt that you can possibly

(29:21):
right. Do you think Dack's jobis safe? Yeah? I think they're
all in on deck at this point, and I don't see any point they're
not going to get any upside bymoving away from him. So yeah,
I think I think Dad jobs safe. I think he's gonna have a good
year. I mean, you've gotenough weapons there, you know. I
think I think they're only a littlebit more passed without Zeke, that they're

(29:42):
just having to get all these carries. Okay, real quick, real quick.
At the at the Giants, Let'ssay that. Let's say the Giants
win that home opener. They thenthey play the Jets. The Jets could
win that game at Arizona. Theywin that game, they're one and two.
Let's say they lose to New England. They're one in three at San

(30:06):
Francisco, one in four. Atthe Chargers lose to Herbie, one in
five. Going into the bye week, what is Jerry Jones saying? Is
he saying this is not gonna work? This this experiment is over. Well,
what does he do? I mean, what else can you do?
Can you do well? I meanthe only thing you can do. But

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there's no You've been interesting prospect onthe best that they want to, you
know, see what they have inI think they'd go down with that ship.
Yeah, and I don't think theylose to New England and I certainly
hope no. All right, well, hey, good draft there, Pollard,
Stevenson, Kirk, Mike Williams.I love Mike Williams. I think

(30:48):
he gets a bad rap when he'sin the game. He's a great He's
he's a wide receiver, one capableoscar tango from the forehold. This is
Steve Mercer jumped into the draft today. Christian McCaffrey T Higgins. By the
way, if you're in the forehoole McCaffrey falls to you, you're just
like, man, this is feelinggood. I'm feeling pretty good. I'm
feeling pretty good. T Higgins,DK Metcalf, Tyler Walckett, and Mike

(31:12):
Evans Mike Evans wide receiver thirty Imean, and then Kenneth Walker. He
just he just put Kenneth Walker andon the sixth round. So, yeah,
Kenneth I was looking for me.I took Burrow over Walker because I
already had Ekeler and Henry. Yeah, but Walker is a massive steel based
on ADP in this format, soit's for him to be able to slide

(31:33):
in Walker with a hero RB buildwith McCaffrey. I mean, if everything
works out there, that's a reallynice drafts he's got going. Yeah,
and I mean it's it's setting upfor a for a late pick Geno Smith.
You know, just go ahead andcomplete and complete the stack. Not
that that's a secret or anything.It's just it's there. It's setting up.

(31:56):
It's setting up pretty. He canwait on quarterback, he can keep
firing away the skill position players.He can take a tight end here if
he wants, because he's got everythinglocked in. Just depends on how he
feels about depth throughout the draft.Great start ripper here, Tyreek, JT
Debo, Mark Andrews, we knowabout the Lamar snipe, Mark Keith Brown
to pivot and then in Jigba maybemy favorite Seattle receiver even this year.

(32:22):
Um yeah, I it's funny.I was on a podcast last week,
Fantasy and Frames. They had meout there a guess they were. They
were awesome. And we were talkingabout Devota Smith and A J. Brown
and how Devota Smith Listen had abetter college career than a J. Brown.
It was a higher draft capital.H he might be he had two
great years to start his career.Devot Smith maybe better and A J.

(32:44):
Brown, Jackson Smith and Jagba samething. He might be better than DK,
Batcalf and Tyler Lockett. Maybe notGame one, right, but maybe
Game ten, maybe that this year, but maybe like he could be the
best receiver there as and he's goingoff the board is wide receiver thirty eight.
And I think his skill set inparticular suits Gino's game. Yeah,

(33:06):
I think, you know, obviouslylast year you saw there were some deep
bombs, but but in general DKwas not seeing the sort of volume,
especially in the red zone, thathe typically did, and instead Lockett feasted
as he typically does. I thinkjsn's skill set is very aligned with what
they want to do. And yeah, just he's one of the type of

(33:28):
picks that I think comes on inthe second half of the year, and
you know, I don't think he'snot going to deliver at least where I
picked him, and I think there'sat least a shot that he could be
some sort of league winning ceiling inthat second in that playoff push. Man,
I'll tell you what I'd love toredesign if I had it to do
over again. I would love toredesign the back end of our rankings in

(33:52):
our projections and do have it towhere we can say, okay, here's
our projection, but I want todo the first half second half weighted right
and publish those as well. Soit's like I could see, let's say
we have sixty five catches projected forJackson Smith and Jigbo or sixty. Let's
just say sixty since we know thatnumber, right, and that's a number

(34:13):
that we project for in Jigba forhis rookie season, it would not be
shocking, okay, for a rookiereceiver to come in and do twenty catches
in the first half and forty ofthe sixty in the second half. And
so when you're looking at sixty catches, you're saying, okay, that's only
a wide receiver forty five. Butin the second half of the season,
that forty catches becomes wide receiver eighteenor twenty, and you're getting him at

(34:38):
wide receiver thirty eight. I meanthat's the kind of analysis that you got
to do with rookies, especially thathave that first half second half split,
and you can sit him. Youcould sit him with the way you build
your team in the right way sothat you don't you can wait and see
what you get out of in Jigba. You don't have to throw him into
the fire week one. You cansit him on the bench and wait and

(34:59):
see how he's being used in theoffense before you ever trot him out there,
or wait till an injury, orwait till more opportunity presents stuff before
you trot him out and then,like you said, by the second half,
boom, he's in your lineup everyweek and he's getting your forty catches
down the stretch. So yeah,no, I I completely agree. It's
you gotta you gotta wait it thatway, and and a lot of people
are doing that. They're looking atthe schedule too, like you know,

(35:21):
if you have a really really prettystrength of schedule in the playoffs, man
that's waited that that isn't more.That's more than a tiebreaker. To me,
I think that goes into my personalprojections or personal ranking. Sorry of
how this stuff is going to workout, because you just gotta what's the
use in getting there if when youget there your team kind of falls on

(35:43):
the clock. That's one of thegreat things like about this format is you
don't got to worry about the buyweeks in the playoffs because of the way
that it is all set up.So this is that that's another suite option
too. And then Jack, canyou go ahead? Montgomery here, You're
you're taking him at um RB twentythree. I mean to think that you're
getting that this is this is toadd your conversation earlier, Adam, you're

(36:04):
getting a RB twenty three in theseventh round. I mean, that's just
that that's pretty insane. But Montgomery, I mean that's right about where he's
being drafted ADP wise. So itdid it? Was it just a value
system type pick or was he hashe? Is he somebody that's are targeting.
It was always going to be Montgomeryso long as he was there around

(36:25):
sevens. Montgomery. Uh, I'mprobably now gonna get sniped on Montgomery for
the rest of the draft season.But just for the sake of Red versus
Blue and the spirit of good discussion, probably a top two, top three
offensive line. They gave him goodmoney, and you know what, Jamir
Gibbs is great. He's a greattalent. But CMC what weighed ten pounds

(36:52):
more than him as a rookie anddidn't max out over two hundred touches.
I don't think Jamir Gibbs has evergotten I think one hundred ninety two touches
was the most he saw in college. I think he has a very specific
role. But people just assume DavidMontgomery's gonna beat Jamal Williams, except David
Montgomery has been performing admirably behind abad offensive line and has had twelve fifteen

(37:16):
percent target share. The guy cancatch passes. He's a red zone back.
I think he's going to have abigger role than people expect behind in
a great offense, in a greatoffensive line. So RB two check yes,
please. Yeah. The other thingabout that is, you know,
if Jamal will even if he's JamalWi, Jamalames had sixteen rushing touchdowns that

(37:37):
last year. No one's expecting.You can't project Montgomery for that. But
if he if he gets twelve,I mean he's in that. He's in
that role. It's not like JamalWilliams is popping off sixty yarders. They're
all it's all goal line touchdowns,and Gibbs isn't going to be the goal
line back there. So yeah,I think double digit touchdowns is probably almost
a lock for Montgomery in that roleif he stays healthy, because he's better

(38:00):
than Judemaul Williams. My thing is, I do also like Gibbs because you
know, we talked about this allthe time. Alvin Kamara his rookie year
was already three he hit yet thirtyfive percent of the carries, like,
he doesn't it in that role.Um, if he's gonna get sixty catches,
I mean he's He's explosive. Theold line is awesome and the offense

(38:22):
is awesome, and golf will throwup. So I think you can get
them both and be just by Yeah. I'm fine drafting them both on different
teams different I do think. Ido think for me, one of the
interesting parts is that if if DavidMontgomery and misses time, Jamir Gibbs is
not going to take over much ofhis work. If Jamir Gibbs misses time,

(38:46):
David Montgomery can soak up those targetsand he just include, you know,
soak up more volume. That's notto say Montgomery over Gibbs. I'm
not taking him in a third,but it's an interesting contingency upside that he
has that he's able to absorb thewhole role in whereas Gibbs camp list.

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Oh, I'm sorry. The Lionshave been trending up in the rushing game
for the last three years, right, and think about this, So they
went from four yards to carry tofour point three to four point seven,
from thirteen hundred yards to seventeen hundredyards to twenty one hundred yards, from
three hundred thirty carries to four hundredcarries to four hundred and forty six carries.
Everything is trending up about this rushingattack. The offensive line is a

(39:28):
top ten offensive line, and youjust upgraded not one running back, but
both running backs from Swift to Gibbs. You can call that an upgrade,
and of course from Jamal Williams athis age to a David Montgomery. They're
both upgrades. And so you're like, okay, what's possible in this offense
twenty five hundred yards and five yardsper attempt? It could happen. Sean

(39:50):
expects Jamir Gibbs to lead the NFLin electric plays, the fifty yard plays.
I mean, he's that kind ofsizzle. And then Montgomery's he's a
workhorse. So a very very interesting, very interesting, uh situation here for
this Lions team. It should bean amazing Thursday night game. Guys.
I'm so pumped about Thursday night atCERCA in Vegas. This whole thing,

(40:12):
the whole game, the game,everything about it is just gonna be just
off the chains. It's gonna beIt's gonna be so much fun. And
I don't know who's gonna win thisgame. I still I really don't.
You would You would think the Chiefsare gonna win the game, but I
don't think you can. I don'tthink you can say that with confidence at
all. I don't even know whatis the line for that game, but
um oh, that makes me decision. Had one spreads It's between Michael Thomas

(40:37):
and Jamison Williams. So I'm gonnago Jamison. Um yeah, because we
just talked about the Lions. Wetalked him up for the last ten minutes
here. That's right. Well,cook with rom Ron Scott, we get
free looks at these these guys.Seven point game, yeah, seven seven
point seven point spread, man,how can you not be all over the
now? Of course, the Chiefs. It could be a great game.

(40:59):
We could have this, this feelingthat the Lions are on an uptick and
Mahomes and Kelsey still put up acouple of touchdowns in the fourth quarter to
pad this game and win it goingaway. It could still happen that way,
no problem. But it is aseven point spread. Yeah, yeah,
I mean, listen, Kansas Citywill probably they'll probably blow him out.
But I think everyone's high on theLions the offense. I mean,

(41:20):
I think the Lions defense won't beable to keep up is what it'll be.
But listen, it's it's uh.They get hangovers to him. And
the Bills went into the Rams theweek one this last year and blew the
doors off. And it's the secondhalf. So um, let's talk about
bitcoin. Let's talk about bitcoins.He's the he's the he's the sixth team
here. This is Biit blad ManDaou one of the one of the prominent,

(41:45):
a long time high stakes veterans,plays a lot of f FPC,
plays a lot of He's been withus since the beginning, uh long time,
a very successful player. I'm onRaw Saint Brown at six. Now
if we go to the pull upthe old ADP list here for the premium
ADP Alman Ross Saint Brown. That'sthe highest he's went in the last ten

(42:10):
drafts. His highest was seven.So here you go. He just set
the record for Aman Ross Saint Brown. There you go. Congrats, fifth
cheers, get a piece of thatlion's pie because you're not gonna get him.
If you want your guy, yougo get him. And that's what
he did. A Lave Cooper,who people are not as high on anymore.

(42:30):
But that's okay. Naji Harris,Aaron Jones and the fifth This is
why people continue to wait, becausethey keep seeing drafts where they can get
guys like Aaron Jones in the fifthround. Does that make sense? Doesn't
make sense. He's the best playerand he's the best player on the team.
I'll guarantee you if you asked thePackers players, they'll say Aaron Jones

(42:52):
is the best player on our team. Yeah. Jones. Another follower in
this game of you know RBS seventeenverse W receiver thirty thirty one thirty twenty
nine. Now again, it's allabout your build, right, So like
Jack was, Jakin's making out gradHe's got the hero RB build includes the
elite tight end in that bill.I know we're talking about a bit,

(43:13):
but on this showing like the comparisonof why you would take certains, it's
a certain guys. I mean,he's gonna get all the touches Nagi Jones
acres So starts with the three receivers, so he just needs two of those
three to hit and if he getsthem, I love his game. Davis
Pick, by the way, whyreceiver forty two? By the way,
if you believe in Jordan Love,which okay you may not, there's nothing

(43:36):
there's nothing that says that Green Baycan't win that division, right, I
mean that's really the only piece thatis different. And so you ask yourself,
is an aging Aaron Rodgers versus ayoung, you know, first round
wide receiver or a first round quarterbackthat you took several years ago. This
is the fourth year in the leagueor something. He's been waiting and we've

(43:58):
been waiting to see him, andnow we now we get a Sean But
you know, look, Aaron Jones. He's a thousand yard guy for sure.
He's a forty five forty forty fivecatch guy for sure if he plays
the you know, a full seasonyou're getting You're getting a tremendous value for
a wide receiver. Heavy build,a zero RB, build, a hero
RB build, any of those.Um Jones is the type of player I

(44:20):
think I think you want. Yeah, Yeah, for sure, Um,
I like Joe. I mean,Jones in the fifth round is wild,
but it just goes He's still RBseventeen. That's it's kind of where he's
been going his RB seventeen. Justthe running backs are getting pushed down and
so Bip, Bip gets some nicesome nice value there. And this draft
is getting it's getting wild right now. We're getting to you know, wide
receiver fifty two here in the ninthround. It's this might be one of

(44:45):
those drafts where I mean it mightbe working right into Jack's favor here,
but where I might be like,you know what, I need more receivers.
But I'm just not I'm not gonnagive these guys good running backs and
start. I mean, if we'realready pasted Nico Collins, I mean,
I'm men take a peak here.I mean we're into wide receiver three four
territory here, Like you know,it's it's on their own teams right,

(45:10):
Like it's just it's getting ugly.You know. This is the one v
ones right, it's Zay Flowers verse. You know, J p Ryan.
It won't be the starting running backerthe first four weeks for the Broncos this
year. So I'm gonna, I'mgonna, I'm gonna spoil everybody while you
guys are on the clock. Umthe great This is a great read.
The Browns team outlook on Full TimeFantasy is an absolutely fantastic read. I'll

(45:34):
give you the takeaways the two thatI took and again this is premium member
stuff, but Sean does an amazingjob and we give it to you always
for free on the podcast. Wenever hold anything back Amari Cooper. But
the line from Sean was quote,he should have the most targets in his
career. Wow, what what areyou with that line? It's a headline,

(45:55):
that's me, that's a that's ablast, that's a that's a tweet,
that's an he should have the mosttargets in the surf for Murray Cooper,
for that big year and the otherone, Uh, your fight in
the draft. Now, we'll talkabout him later. Mostly be draft to
be somewhere down to the bottom.Called him to fight four in half.

(46:19):
That's on your bench, play thehand two for that from the second half
or for an injury. Um,yeah, those are those are two headlines.
Read that outlook Cleveland Browns. Uh, let's pull up. He has
a wide receiver eighteen eighty one forten ninety four and seven eighty one for
ten ninety four and seven. Andyou're getting into pois. You're getting a

(46:42):
tremendous vain night. Aaron Jones,Cam Akers stack, nothing wrong with bag,
gave David sky more as a flyer. And then there it is DeShawn
Watson he pairs with right there,boom, that's right. A draft plan.
It's a draft plan. You know. That's a draft plan right there,
right or wrong? Right or wrong, that's it. And and who
knows he might now that the endBIPs in the chat, maybe he or
maybe he wants to give us alittle intel here. But I don't even

(47:05):
know if he was planning on goingwith those street running backs. But he,
like you said, Aaron Jones,that value He's like, man,
I can't. I can't pass thatup at all? Right, so um
no, I like I like whenthey do that when listen, Sometimes you
just gotta take the value for sure. For sure, let's look at the
doors great great team bip the doorsUm, Tom Northrop, he takes ceedee

(47:32):
lamb. We talked about that.DeVonta Smith yep, could be the number
one. DJ Moore Okay, there'snot gonna be a lot of volume there
as we saw last year, butthey will see some improvement. Brandon Aiyuk,
he's going four wide out of thegate. Here we go, we're
Shad White. Justin Fields Okay,he's going with the fields more so,

(47:53):
he's back and he's putting his moneywhere his mouth is. When you're taking
DJ Moore in the third, whatare you saying big year for DJ Moore
and Justine. Yeah, you haveto and that listen, it all makes
sense, Like just make it makessense, right if you're gonna make it
makes sense. If you're gonna takeDJ more high, that means you believe
in Justin Fields and that's a greatpick um justin Fields over Herbert, I

(48:13):
mean, man, Herbert Rippert,great pick I didn't even realize you took
Herbert like round eight, justin Herbert, Like, I just feel like even
when I wait on quarterback, youknow what, I'm gonna wait on QB
and wait and wait. I getBurrow in the sixth round and Herbert goes
two rounds later, like I,you know, I should have waited even
longer. That's the game of chickenhere at FWC with the quarterback, and

(48:38):
there's uh, I don't know ifit's intentional or if it just happens,
but especially when quarterbacks are taken early, there's just sort of a vibe among
the rest of like, let's let'smake it hurt. Let's make it a
hurt that you took it early andpush everyone down another round. Yeah,
that's right, and that it definitelyhurts first there, and there's three teams.

(49:00):
There's three teams left that do nothave a quarterback. But we finally
have nine off the board, providednobody takes two and tries to you know,
you know, stick a little knifein one of these teams. You
know you're gonna get one of thosetop twelve guys. Yeah, so this
team the doors lamb Davanta, DJMoore, Ayuk Rashad white Fields, Quinton

(49:23):
Johnston, Rashad Bateman, Brian Robinson. Now that's your second RB, Brian
Robinson. What could you have doneinstead of taking Rashad Bateman at eight six?
You could have maybe locked up thatWashington backfield if you liked Brian Robinson,
maybe with Gibson and Brian Robinson,maybe that would make you feel a

(49:45):
little bit better looking back in hindsight. But he wanted to make sure he
had some depth at the wide receiverposition, and he's got it. And
I've noticed that too, Jack,You've done a lot of wide receiver zero
zero RB here. I know thatif you if you stop, you're not
doing that zero RB Team Justice,right, you need to be around the

(50:07):
clock, file them on and havethose by weeks covered and have those indutes
because you're gonna be rolling out fiveevery week. It really only works if
you commit to the bit like youhave to go to the point that it's
uncomfortable because as much you know,we have our view as to how things
are going to happen on draft day, but things always don't go that way,

(50:30):
and you're gonna need more depth thanyou you know you expect, and
so you know, really pushing theadvantage, taking more than you anticipate that
that that's been my it's hard todo that. It is as a drafter.
It's hard to do because you're scaredto death that you know you're gonna

(50:50):
end up like my FSGA team belike you, Okay, you're gonna get
sniped every round and you just youknow, but you've got to be comfortable
being uncomfortable. And this is whatI would tell people too, Like there's
a lot that gore that goes intothis, Like if you're gonna and this
is what a lot of these guysin this room I know, you know,
I've drafted against him. They're they'reexcellent drafters. We put a lot
of time into this. You needto know, Hey, I'm sure Jack

(51:14):
he's a zero RB guy, ahero RB guy. He spends time I'm
sure locked into like all right,in these middle rounds, I gotta be
able to pick like he's got toplay David Montgomery. He can eloquently put
why he loves David Montgomery because he'sa zero RB, hero RB target running
back and the later rounds for forhimself. If you're gonna go hero or

(51:35):
zero RB, you gotta know whoyour late round running backs are gonna be
and why. You've got to knowwho your receivers are going to be in
the fifth and sixth round that youlike and why. And he pulls it
off perfectly. He gets his elitetight end, he gets his elite quarterback
in the eighth round. That's howyou do hero or zero RB. And
then he's got Montgomery, Dylan Warren, he's got his his kind of running

(51:55):
backs that could earn injury away.Dylan's an injury away, Warren's injury away.
My come reason ange injury away.It all. It's it. It's
here RB one on one right therein that in that dress. So if
people it's it's hard to pull itoff Scott, if you're uncomfortable doing it,
and if you um don't like,you don't want to do it.
So you know, it's hard foryou to like study Sky more or I

(52:17):
receiver fifty like specific players specifically runningdecks fit these type of builds. So
it's hard to do when you're notworking your strategy around it consistently, like
uh like Bip BIPs comment in thechat, Sky was a target sky Moore
one free look on Thursday, ButI expect him to lead the wide receivers

(52:40):
after Kelsey, or could be RashiRice. I mean, there's a lot
of love for Rashi Rice to um. Another comment from BIP Aaron Jones,
I was surprised to see there Camwas a target. I think Cam smashes
this year continues his end of yearform. Hey, you know, I
root for him. I do.I root for these guys. Years ago.

(53:00):
I used to root for Ryan Williamsin Arizona and he had the same
injury, the Achilles injury, andit's a terrible, terrible injury, especially
for a running back. And theycan give you that fool's gold the year
that they finally come back and getout there and it looks like, oh,
okay, he's gonna be fine.But I'll tell you, I'm always

(53:21):
just worrisome that that injury is goingto rear its ugly head sooner than later.
And statistically most running backs don't overcomethat injury. What are you talking
about, Scott talking about Cam Akers'sYeah, yeah, yeah, So it's
like, you know, it's justone of those injuries that you you hope
he's able to defy the odds,because that's what he has to do while

(53:45):
he's out there. He is justwhen I when I watch him run,
I am looking at him through thethrough the lens of This has not been
done before at this level in theNFL by a running back that has this
injury. It just doesn't. Youcan go back and look at all those
Achilles upture to chill his injuries beforerunning backs, and they just don't.
They might have one year out ofthe gate where they're sort of holding it

(54:05):
together and then starts to come comeapart. But yeah, Jack, after
you pick, I want you.I want your take on Acres because I've
been doing a lot of like himand han about him. I have no
Acres. I'm kind of off ofI've been off of him, but you
know, I just feel like withthat offense, who's gonna get the ball?
He did have that like Scots,he had that nice stretch at the
end at the end of the yearthat year. I mean, he probably

(54:27):
doesn't fit your type of builds.But if he falls, if it's the
situation where he falls two rounds andhe's in there in the eighth round or
something crazy like, are you areyou willing to take that or are you
just like Achilles injury. I'm outfor me. He just doesn't. There's
a lot of talk, especially youknow, as we were talking earlier about
how wide receivers are going faster thanaverage, running backs are getting pushed down,

(54:51):
and so there's you know, doesthe running back dead zone exists or
not? And I think I thinkstructurally it does. It doesn't matter when
you take him. It's just theoppera community cost. But the you know,
running backs from thirteen to about twentyfour giver take typically are are not
performing significantly better than the next twelve. They're getting pulled up in order to

(55:12):
you know, fit lineups. Andso when you're trying to look for people
who are going to beat that trend, you're looking for for youth, you're
looking for pass catching, you're lookingfor certain things, offensive environment. And
I don't deny the talent of camAchors, but but he's he's not uh
not gotten, never going to commanda big target share with Cooper Cup there.
I'm worried about the overall offense.And he's not old, but he's

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not one of these unproven young runningbacks that we don't know what we have
yet. So not a bad pick, but just not. You know,
you're you're picking archetypes of players,and he's just not the one that I'm
gonna go with. Poor Adam.Poor Adam, he has to show everybody
is cute. He can't have akid like Okay, and I just I

(55:58):
just popped onto Twitter while you guyswere breaking that down so I can share
the draft with everybody. And Isee this, see this ad by Bud
light Man. They just get absolutelyratio and every time they open, it's
just over and over again. Theyare getting clauvered. Okay, let's look
at AK forty seven. Team Adamsgot a great squad going. Eckler,
Waddle, d Henry. We talkedabout the longest he's been on the board

(56:22):
in the last ten drafts, ScaryTerry Deonte, Joe Burrow, Joey b
DeAndre Swift, Jamison Williams for thesecond half of an ingram and Juju Smith
Schuster. Um. Yeah, I'mjust gonna keep pounding receiver here. You
know, it's just I I mean, Juju, I don't listen, I

(56:43):
don't like the pages, I don'tlike Juju and all that, but I
feel like he is the one there. Probably wide receiver fifty fifty six.
They they're gonna be playing room behinda lot because their schedule is so hard.
I thinking about the toughest schedule inthe league. So whatever, he's
my He's my wide receiver four tostart the year. While receiver five,
which Williams Cocoa, you're getting tremendousvalue sans him. Sean has him projected

(57:05):
his wide receiver thirty seven seventy fourcatches eight fifty nine and six, and
that would be a great year forJuju and the Patriots would be probably thrilled
with that. I don't know ifit's gonna be Mac Jones or Bailey Zappy.
I mean, I'm assuming that Macis gonna hold onto the job,
but maybe not. I mean,they can come out of the gate looking
at that schedule. We had thissame conversation earlier in the day, earlier
in the program talking about Dak.But what if we do the same thing

(57:28):
with Mac. Let's look at theschedule here, New England Philadelphia week one
loss, Miami week two could bea loss at the Jets loss, perhaps
at Dallas loss New Orleans. Arethey one in four now at the Raiders

(57:51):
two and four? Buffalo two andfive at Miami two and six. I
mean there's a good chance there's agood chance that Bailey Zappy is the second
half guy. Yeah, and thenand and fine, I mean Zappy had
a nice little run last year.I mean, mac Jones is not the
answer long term for sure, butum so, yeah, it'll be interesting
there. But I mean, Idon't love juju. You know, I

(58:13):
have to explain it here as Idraft. But that's just again, why
was your fifty six? I gottatake these things. It's fine. I
do want to circle back real quick, bip jump in the chat we're talking
about Aaron Jones earlier, Aaron Jones, he was surprised to see there Cam
was a target. He thinks Camsmashes this year and continues from the end
of last year form. So,um so that's interesting to kind of go
about what we were with what wewere talking about. Also, this is

(58:37):
a good point two. People don'tthink about a lot of sky More was
a target the free look Thursday.That's that's a big thing in these drafts.
People don't really consider is that couldbe a tige Eckert too. Because
I don't have a stat or apiece of analytic to point too, that
says, oh, a player isup, this percent more valuable because you

(58:57):
get to pick whether you're going tostart. We're not after watching him playing
that Thursday night game. But thereis certainly some vited to be able to
bench a guy, and that especiallya guy that you would have started regardless,
like if if Gibbs has a dotand you were going to start him,
well, you just saved yourself abad RB spot. So there's some
value to that, especially when youwhen when wins are very important in these

(59:20):
in these chick Championship, it's notjust overall points, especially too, with
this unique structure. It's not onlythe look ahead, but the first week
is the all play. And soyou know that's true. If you can
avoid a big mistake, or ifyou can put in a great performer that
one player I think as more ofan impact in getting you to the top
half, or as beating you know, an individual person you know, who

(59:44):
knows, who know. Yeah,that's a good point, Jack, Yeah,
I'm gonna try to predict who Adamis gonna take. Now, don't
let me see Adam if you yeah, you're gonna pull something up here by
the way, ashes backstage, ifwe want to bring him in when yeah,
um, you've already got your quarterback, You've already got a tight end.
Could you use to him? Maybemaybe not. You've got three running

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backs, maybe you take a fourthhere. I kind of like I'm gonna
go. This is a guy wastaken early on and I didn't. I
haven't taken him in a little bit. But we just did the a FC
West podcast and uh, Sean gotme kind of riled up on Rashi Rice.
So uh he he has as thenumber one receiver there in CA.

(01:00:30):
I don't necessarily agree with it,but listen, if Sean's great at will
what he does. So at thispoint in the draft, you know,
wide receiver. Let me see seewhat he was wide receiver sixty six.
If I have to drop him,I'm not upset about it. So just
I got taken another shot at ata at a receiver here. Not um,

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nothing special here. But let melet me bring in Ash real quick.
And you're getting a piece of PatMahomes. I mean, there's there's
nothing wrong. Thursday night, theThursday night free Look, if he scores
a touchdown, I can I canplug him in. You know they spent
they spent some draft capital on himfor sure. Um, and he was
he was. He was a nicetarget at at SMU. If you watch

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the highlights. I mean look,if you if you didn't get to see
SMU games, uh, go togo to YouTube and check him out.
Um, but he's gonna be ah, He's gonna be a threat in that
offense winning jump balls. That's kindof um, that's kind of what he
what he can do. It's kindof reminds me of like a DeVante Parker
kind of reminder me, ash,Ash are you are you winning jump balls?

(01:01:35):
Is that is that your thing?Yeah? Well, you know I'm
with a partner. I'm doing asthis draft with Mike Arts. He's new
to our league, so we wantedto do a little different build as and
chairs guys, cheers, Ash,Are you are you coming to Vegas this
year? Ash? Uh? Youknow, I just thought it a new
job, So I don't think it'sgonna happen this year. Um. So

(01:02:00):
I just uh, I thought itbeing I'm selling cause believe it or not.
But aren't you going to travel?Aren't you in the travel? And
that will do that? I stilldo that. I you know, men
of many talents you know, renaissance. I got bored stay at home.
I got so bored staying home,I said, let me get a job.
So if anybody needs an audi,let me know. But but uh

(01:02:22):
yeah, so you know, II don't think I'm making up this here
unfortunately, but unless something changes,we'll see. Um yeah, he's built
this. Yeah yeah, I gotmy partner making the thick up there.
You go. Yeah, yeah,So we're trying to build something that has
a lot of upside. Like wedecided to go into this and say,

(01:02:43):
you know what, we're gonna tryto hit it. You know, Ridley
obviously early third higher than he's beengoing. Um, we weren't afraid of
Josh Jacobs. Um we had totake him there. Um, you know,
we built I think we built apretty strong team. And if they
hit, I think this team hasa shot to be really really good.

(01:03:04):
And obviously if they don't, we'llbe bottom feeders. You know, but
you know, we decided to takesome risk in this draft. I'm a
little surprised that Etn is falling tothis extent right into the four eleven.
Now again, that's RB fifteen,maybe that's where he belongs, but he
but he feels like he has thatRB ten upside. Maybe he's not.

(01:03:27):
He doesn't have the right build orthe right um endurance to handle the NFL
with with that many carries. Butlook, he's You're you're getting tremendous value
there. And you know he's gothe's got a running back now that can
sort of help him compliment that thatpounding that he's got to take in Bigsby,
and he's He's an example of lastyear where middle of the season he

(01:03:52):
started really round in the corner andyeah, he missed a little bit of
a little bit of action there,but he was handling twenty carries a game
and getting you know, four catchesa game. Those those catches come in
and in pr Yeah. I mean, like I said, you know,
he's definitely a high upside guy.Same as Ridley, same as Elijah More.
You know, we we probably didwe reach on Elijah More. I

(01:04:14):
don't know. I mean, whatwas our choices Jackson Smith and Jigba Johan
Dobson, you know what was ourchoices there? So I said, you
know what, let's go with uh, let's go with Elijah and then Javante
another guy that if he hits he'sgonna be you know, if he comes
back. You know, obviously theinjury is a big issue. But you
know, we we we feel prettygood about this team. Um. We

(01:04:38):
you know, we definitely are takingsome risk here. But like I said
last week, you know, thedays of going straight by ADP are over.
You just got to take a player, you like. I mean,
we never I never take a quarterbackin the fifth round. But I said,
you know, let's take one ofthe top three. Um, And
so that's what we did. Youknow, Um, yeah, we could
have probably waited on Burrow and hopefullycould have got him to pair up with

(01:05:03):
um Chase um, but they said, you know, let's go with with
Alan there. Speaking at ADP,were you, um you obviously didn't don't
care about the Josh Jacob's uh stuff, right are you? You're you're expecting
him to kind of come and playright away. Yeah, I mean,
look, we saw what happens whena running back. You know, Scott

(01:05:25):
knows, we're Jet fans. Wesee what happens when a running back takes
a year off and throws away alot of money. Um, it's terrible
for these guys. They deserve toget paid more. Um, but I
can't see throwing away ten million dollars. Um, well, he all out
of camp. You know what theythese guys aren't play in camp anyway.
They'll get some practice time, butnone of them playing the games. So

(01:05:46):
I expect him to come in acouple of weeks before season starts, get
himself in shape, just like Barkley. We weren't afraid of Barkley. He
felt to us we were gonna takehim. So you know it. It
sucks for these guys, but they'regonna play. I just cannot imagine.
I'm sitting out. I can't either. This is July, the July fears,

(01:06:06):
you know, in the tough talkon Twitter. It is just I
just I just don't see it.Actually, you know, you get into
the room, mature adults, youcome out of the room. You're not
gonna do that to your team,and it'll be about the team. Uh,
and that and that'll that'll make ithappen. Um. You know,
we just talked about this last week, guys, how the maturity of the

(01:06:28):
Drafters has been such that they understandwhat it takes to win in the FWC,
and that through seven rounds, youprobably aren't going to see as many
teams taking quarterback and tight end early. And in this draft we see not
one, not two, but threeteams taking quarterback and tight end. And

(01:06:49):
Ash, you're one of those three. Yeah, And I quarterback and tight
end early, yes, and Inever do it. I always hold off
on those two positions. We targetedWaller. We felt like, again,
here's a guy. What do theGiants have at the wide receiver position?
Not a lot? He said,this is the guy that he can catch

(01:07:12):
if he stays healthy. I'm gonnaput it out there. He can catch
one hundred passes this year. Um, I don't know if he will,
but honestly, I mean, there'sjust not much in that wide receivering corps
that is any is anything that youwould say, Wow, that's a great
player. He's gonna take away targetsfrom Waller. So, you know,
again, another high upside guy.We could have went with Goddard. Um,

(01:07:34):
Goddard is a great player, buthe kind of is capped at a
certain number. You know. Yeah, they've got like four forty catch guys
on that squad right now, andmaybe maybe you could even say five.
You know, Um, you reallydon't know who's gonna stand out. But
Waller is the guy that's gonna catchthe most passes on that team period in

(01:07:56):
the story if he plays, uh, you know, full full season.
So it just it just strikes methat, you know, when you take
a quarterback, you almost have totell yourself no and and get those wide
receivers where you didn't. You tookDarren Waller, that's fine, but then
you said, no, I'm noteven gonna I'm not gonna take a wide
receiver here, I'm gonna take Waituntil the ninth round and you pin your
hopes on Nico Collins. That's animportant pick for you. It's it's kind

(01:08:20):
of a guy that you said,I gotta get a guy here, and
there were there were some safer optionson the board, but you went Nico.
Yeah. Again, who's gonna bethe number one wide receiver for that
team? So I felt like,you know, the number one wide receiver
round that team is more likely thannot gonna be Nico Collins. Um same

(01:08:42):
reason why not that Blizard will benumber one. Obviously he's not for the
Jets, but with his romport withAaron Rodgers, I could see him catching
seventy passes this year. And fora number five receiver, if he catches
between sixteen seventy passes, I thinkthat's pretty good. And if Nico can
put up seventy catches, I thinkbetween those two guys from my fourth and

(01:09:02):
fifth wide receivers, I take thatevery day. Yeah, speaking of you
were talking about Darren Waller and thereceivers. I mean, this is like
almost on chartered territory. We arein round fourteen with a team that has
not had like a receiver at ParisCampbell, Wan Dale Robinson, Jalen Hyatt.
Seriously, I don't think they've beena single receiver drafted off that team

(01:09:25):
and we're around fourteen. It's prettycrazy. And how like either in apt
the receiver corps is going to beor how wrong we are about Ladder or
about how we're about the clock.You know, yeah, we could be
totally wrong. This is what thisis what's great about fantasy football. I
love it. This is why Idraft as many teams as I do.

(01:09:47):
UM, it's it's so much funto see how everybody thinks. And this
year the group think is other thaneverybody drafting wide receiver is much heavier than
normal. UM. The group thinkis dif for it. Now there's no
more let's follow a DP, youknow, religiously. Let you know,
guys are not doing that, andso it's gonna be a really interesting year

(01:10:10):
this year. Yeah. Look,he was trending the right way. We
had taken We had taken Nico asone of our sort of sleeper players to
keep an eye on. Last year, I think he was our sleeper and
you know Davis Mills. Of courseit didn't really pan out, but he
was trending up. If you lookback at that last year, there were
like four games in the middle ofthe season where he was like a ten

(01:10:30):
target guy, and then he hadthe foot injury. I mean, injuries
derail a lot of a lot ofplayers in the NFL, and that's what
it did for him, and hesat out a pair and then he had
a growing in injury. I mean, you know, injuries can can knock
you out of this game. It'sa tough game. But he was,
he was trending up. There wasa good, good, good, good
set of games on him, anduh, I think in that span he

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didn't He's not he's not a receiverthat drops the ball. He's got really
good hands. So I think we'regetting a good value for Nico. It's
like, Okay, didn't do itin the rookie season, but you're getting
wide receiver fifty two in the ninthround. Yeah, take a shot on
Nico. It's a team that shouldbe playing from behind. I like that
narrative, all of that stuff.That stuff goes with it. Good squad,

(01:11:15):
ash man, it's a it's it'sit's it's good squad. You gotta
swing for the fences and some ofthis stuff and hope one of these receivers
pans at It could be Shahid uh. He could be the number two receiver
on New Orleans without you know,much issue the way Mike Thomas has looked
the last couple of years. Sothat's the other thing we took Shahid saying,
you know, if Thomas doesn't playa full season, who's now the
number two. That's still a lotof it. So again, risk reward.

(01:11:38):
You gotta you know, you gottakind of balance that out and say,
you know, I'm gonna this teamis all about risk. This is
a risk reward team. Well it'sgood, too, good to have you
back on Red versus Blue. You'rea staple of the show wouldn't have it
any other way. And welcome toMike, Mike to the FWC. Man,
appreciate you, Thanks guys, Thanksgood luck in Vegas and finally see

(01:12:01):
you guys there. Yeah, yep, all right, we're gonna keep flying
through here. Let's go to teamMeyer. William Meyer, he was at
the nine hole, took Travis Kelseyand then followed it up with three stud
running backs, Chubb Gibbs mixing.I mean, through four rounds, you
are just beasting with your lineup.The question now becomes can I pull it

(01:12:25):
together and start three wide receivers aweek? Because the requirements at the FWC
require it. So so here wego Chris Godwin, Johan Dotson, Brandon
Cooks. I mean he did it. I mean really, you kind of
put it together with fifth, sixth, and seventh round. It could have
been it could have been worse.And I think he I think he pulled

(01:12:45):
it off here. Um, Idon't know what's going on with this,
this three quarterback thing going on here. I have no idea. What's happening
is there is oh there's a teamthat doesn't have a quarterback yet. So
he's jabbing the night he's he's stabbingthe knife here with a mess selects without
a without a QB. So,um, do you play defense at all?

(01:13:08):
Jack? Have you ever? Haveyou ever done that in a draft
and play in and try to playsome defense. My desire to beat one
other person never overwhelms my my desireto win the whole thing. So I
like somebody else to do my dirtywork for me and to make that stab
and I'll sit back and benefit.Well. Plus it helps you too if
you're a little weaker at quarterback,as you know this guy, he's not

(01:13:30):
gonna hold on to three quarterbacks thesethree all years. So uh, it's
a it's a good opportunity. PlusI gotta be answer with you. When
I'm drafting and live streaming at thesame time, I'm not even looking at
other people's team like I am.Answer. I'm picking, but I'm so
busy trying to figure especially because Ican't build a freaking queue, so I
gotta trying to lock in here.But but some people do I know a

(01:13:51):
lot of people. Um. JJay Reid is another guy. He played.
I play with him in Kentucky andaround uh Chasing the Hell that was
his podcast. Uh and he there. He's big into into blocking people,
so, uh, people do itfor sure. Who's are you a Cowboys
fan, Adam, I'm a Billsfan. Bills that's right, that's right,

(01:14:13):
yes, sir um. So what'sthe story here with Brandon Cooks?
I mean, there has to be, uh, there has to be a
role, a real serious role forBrandon Cooks in this offense, considering that
you can't put all the work onCeedee Lamb and you also don't have Dalton

(01:14:33):
Salts in the middle of the fieldanymore so, and Gallup is the is
the is really the wild card here? Is Gallop going to realize his full
potential with this opportunity? Or youknow, Brandon Cooks has always historically been
a wide receiver one on his fantasyteam, and he's not gonna have to
do that now, right. That'swhat's kind of appealing to me because he,

(01:14:56):
you know, at all of hisstops along the way, Saints and
Dolphins or Texans, he's always hadto be that number one wide receiver or
has been. And it's like nowyou're now you're talking about you're a wide
receiver too. You're not having toface up against their best corner you're facing
up against, sometimes a young kid, sometimes somebody that's you know, not
a quality of a start on theother side of the field, because you

(01:15:18):
gotta have all your attention on ceedeeLamb Cooks, he's got He's got a
good opportunity here, Jack. Ilove Cooks. I think you know,
I think he's a great candidate forby the time we hit September, a
steady rise in ADP because that justseems like it happens every single year with
him. He's somebody that's sleeped onfor a while and then all of a

(01:15:40):
sudden people start to remember all thosethousand yards seasons. He's in a much
better offense. I think his performancelast year can be excused by the fact
that he had to play for anorganization he hated, and it seemed like
there was some backstabbing going on thereas well within the Texans. So I
I think it's a great thick Andwould you call last year Adam a disaster

(01:16:03):
for Cooks, right? I mean, he finished his wide receiver forty nine
last year and you're getting him beforehere. That's pretty incredible. Yeah.
No, And as long as he'sstill got some some some juice left me.
He's been around forever. A lotof those guys, you know,
it's the I think I was theMike Evans draft. There's a lot of
receivers kind of get into their thirtyage thirty season. I think that was

(01:16:25):
the um Sammy Watkins draft too.He's been what disaster that was? But
uh so, yeah, No,I think he's good. Like you said,
he's gonna have to face number twocorners, um, and all those
Dalton Schaltz targets because they have arookie tight end there. Not like he's
not gonna get all those tarts now. They're not gonna be the same type
of targets obviously, but um,but I think that's why I like Deck

(01:16:48):
this year. I think they havea chance to be an explosive offense.
Pollard's a better pass catching back thanZeke as far as explosiveness is concerned,
so that whole offense could really feastmy My overall fear for Cooks would be
that he might be the guy that'skind of clearing it out for Ceedee Lamb
to work in the middle and tearit up. And they've been talking about
wanting to run the ball more Idon't know how much more they can run

(01:17:10):
it. Their situation neutral Boots waspretty run heavy last year, so I
don't know how much more they canrun it. But but yeah, Cooks,
like you said, Cooks, itobviously were forty four is really great,
and he stayed right, He stilledrelatively healthy. He had some concussion
issues back in twenty well dating backto twenty fifteen and twenty nineteen, and
some soft tissue injuries like calf injuries. Right, I mean those aren't you

(01:17:35):
know, you talk about a SammyWatkins. His career was derailed by injuries
and Grade one tears and just youknow, hip tears and just all kinds
of stuff. Cooks hasn't had that. Cooks hasn't had that. So it's
like, you know, he's stillhe's still running full throttle. Injuries injuries
tell the tale of a thirty yearold wide receiver, which he will be

(01:17:56):
in September. So it's like,yeah, it doesn't it doesn't really scare
me too much for for Cooks.So yeah, my only concern with the
build is like, I like thevalue. Chubb great, even you got
value on Kelsey. Chubb goes andit's hard to turn down any of those
running backs. And that's right.The only concern is again, um Godwin

(01:18:17):
Dots and Cooks like, there's noshot at I mean, very very slim
shot that they're even wide receiver oneslike top twelve guys whereas you know,
but that but again they don't needto be They don't need to be like
if if Chubb gives a Nixon allall hit h, then you don't need
them to be that. But Ido, like maybe take that. That
was why. So I was betweenSwift and Cooks with those two picks for

(01:18:40):
my flex there, and I justthought, Swift, there's a there's a
path just Swift being an RB one, um and even a high end RB
one with injury locker what whatever.But whereas Cooks, I don't see the
path for wide receiver one nothers.But but that's the difference between RB twenty
four and wide receiver forty four whenyou're drafting. Yeah, all right,
to move on. Good God,you know, look again, some of

(01:19:01):
these builds like this, you don'tknow the hindsight is twenty twenty. You
didn't really Nick Chubb sounded like asafe pick there, Jamir Gibbs. It's
hard to turn him down. JoeMixing at four four. I get it.
And especially when you're looking at thewide receivers, nobody's really blowing you
away, so you're like, gosh, I can't turn it down, but
you almost have to. You almosthave to turn down that. Joe Mixon,
pick the one that ritten your teethand say, you know, take

(01:19:26):
a receiver that you enjoy. There, it's Kirk or Locket. If it's
not McLaurin, it's probably McLaurin.A wide receiver one there in an offense,
it's probably gonna be playing from behinda lot. So yeah, I
think that would have been I thinkthat in hindsight, that would have been
the play turning it down. ButI get it. You know, it's
tough. It's tough when you're onthe clock. Let's move on to Saper,
Sam piper Stad Houston late arrival atRed versus Blue tonight. Welcome Fad,

(01:19:50):
Glad you joined in be Jean Robinson, Welcome to Red versus Blue.
One ten pick overall, we talkedabout this team being a team that's gonna
run the ball five hundred times thisyear. Sae Quon Barkley, DeAndre Hopkins
and then does he is he familiarenough with the FWC format that start three

(01:20:11):
because he takes Pat Mahomes and tJ. Hawkinson amazing players, What does
it do to the build? CouldDarius Tony and Courtland Sutton? He could
pull it off if they are theirbest versions of themselves, right, If
they're the best versions of themselves Hopkins, Tony Sutton. But you need a
trifecta there because your next wide receiverisn't until the eleventh round. So maybe

(01:20:35):
a little help on the waiver wirehere. It's not a best ball,
so you can't really just throw inValdez scantly and cross your fingers. Curtis
Samuel is a guy that I cansee maybe getting the volume that you need,
you know, at some point gettinggetting some receptions. But you know,
when you jump into an FWC league, the start three wide receiver is

(01:20:57):
unlike like FPC where it's only two. It's a big difference, big difference
in bill Yeah, yeah, Iagree. I mean listen that you got
your running back three and your runningback four there, so that's like again,
that's if you're gonna start running backrunning back, that's kind of the
way you want to do it.I probably would have committed to it,
though. I mean again, ifyou're gonna go running back running back and

(01:21:18):
you have to start to three receivers, it's hard to take a quarterback and
a tight end in the first fiverounds when you're not gonna kind of correlate.
Like it's not even like it's astack either with with those guys.
So I don't know that's gonna beIt's gonna be tough. I mean,
you get to Tony Mahomes stack,I guess in there, but I don't

(01:21:39):
know. I would have liked itseen him pass on Mahomes or Hawkinson,
probably Hopkinson. By the way,how many fantasy points is that in his
first five picks, Let's say,be Jean Robinson eighteen points, se Quon
Barkley twenty points, thirty eight,Hopkins sixteen, Pat Mahomes twenty five,

(01:22:00):
Hawkinson sixteen to eighteen. I mean, that's a lot of fantasy points,
regardless of what happened with the restof your team. Yeah, I mean,
I mean hockey is sixteen to eighteen? Is that? I mean this
year? I don't know, isthat. I feel like that's that's gonna
be tough because you're gonna have towhat's that four for fifty and a tough

(01:22:23):
maybe a little bit more, fivefor fifty and a touchdown every you know,
every week. I just but thenthe problem is time. But if
you go through, and that's thething, if you go through and compare
your first five rounds everybody else's,they're gonna be very similar. But then
when you get to your flex andyou're starting Courtland Sutton and someone else is
starting, you know, not CourtlandSutton, Marquis Brown, you know Smith

(01:22:49):
and Jigba. I mean, thoseguys are gonna I mean, I'm starting.
I'm just saying I have seen teams. I have seen teams win their
league, dominate their league with outa solid draft top to bottom. But
you've got the you've got the studs. You've got the studs, and that's
what you need. You need thehorses. Sure, the horses. Sure,
No, I agree there, he'sdefinitely got topkins to be awesome.

(01:23:14):
I think for that to work,Yeah, I don't mind the you know,
everybody else is going receiver, fine, you know, build up elsewhere.
I think in that case though,that's the build to take the boring
wide receivers like Juju and people likethat that that are gonna get volume that
you can count on. They're notceiling plays that could flame out because you
have to have them come through foryou. So that would be my preference

(01:23:38):
if I'm building it, But butyou know that's just me. Yeah,
nineteen quarterbacks off the board and Meslectstill has not taken one yet. Has
to be coming up here pretty soon, right, I mean, I don't
know if it's Brock Purty, TreyLance Combo coming up here or something like
that where you're like, Okay,I've got I've got that taken care of,
whether it maybe it's Jimmy Garoppolo orsomething, or I mean, most

(01:24:00):
of the good ones are gone.But you know, if you've waited this
long, you might as well waita little bit longer go all the way.
The difference isn't that much, Sowhy not just take a few more
dart throws? Anybody have a strongcommentary on Alvin Kamara. I mean,
eighth round RB twenty eight, itfeels like the worst is behind him now,

(01:24:26):
even though there maybe potential League ramification, it's kind of water under the
bridge now. So now we've gotthat past us, maybe some misstime.
But then you come back RB twentyeight. You maybe it was a four
game suspension, they knock it downto two. That's kind of what I'm
thinking. Yeah, I don't know. My gut feeling is they're just not
going to be a great team.And also they drafted Kendra Miller, and

(01:24:50):
I feel like ever since Drew Breesretired, he just looks like he hates
playing football. I mean, Idon't That's just a gut feeling like he
just looks like he's not happy hedid. He wasn't good last year.
Like I guess in a certain build, maybe like a zero RB bill,
you know, hoping for that forthat upside. But I just don't think
it's gonna work out there with allthe with all the mouths they have to

(01:25:12):
feed. Now Jamal Williams gonna bethe goal line back, so sorry I
have to pick. Yeah. Well, I mean the peripheral metrics for Kamara
have been declining over the past fewseasons as well, So I mean you
can set aside suspension. I thinkthere are still legitimate concerns as to losing
a step and that's that's his game. You know, he's not having that
speed and ability and stop start ishis entire game, So I certainly get

(01:25:39):
worried. And Derek Carr isn't exactlyinspiring, so I think plenty of reasons.
Russell Wilson was still there in thetwelve, in the in the seventeenth
round RB or QB twenty not anymore, dude, are we? Jody Smith,
mister full time Fantasy has him?Is his QB eleven. I don't

(01:26:00):
necessarily need to take a second quarterbackwith Burrows my number one, But that's
the blocking game you're talking about.I'll think Russell Wilson and I'm not gonna
let you know, uh, Messilexjust just have him either, you know.
So I can't believe he fell thatfar. I mean, I guess,
yeah, you're looking at them.She's going to have a car.
He'should be going out to Murray play. There you go, fine, George

(01:26:21):
Jordan Love. He's got Christian Watsonalso, the perfect fourth worked out beautifully.
I mean, his receivers are sick. I mean we didn't we didn't
get there yet, did we?Are we at Messilex? No? Okay,
yeah, yeah we are. Weare at Mesix. Now let's go,
let's do it. I mean hishis receivers are are sick, and
he got the values there on theguy didn't think he reached running anybody like

(01:26:43):
he's got a real nice group ofreceivers and then ops again ops for uh
an elite tight end, you gotit, including elite tight end or elite
quarterback in those in those builds,and then just stays true to form.
I don't know what the detour forRomeo. He's at Romeo dops too,
so yeah, this was the plan. He's got Christian Watson and Romeo.
Yeah, he was clearly going Jordanlove for time, um, but I

(01:27:03):
don't understand. I still the dejourfor Romeo Dodds is interesting. But I
guess if the plan was for thatreceiving corps and that whole offense, and
that makes sense, but I wouldhave kept pounding running back there because Dobbs,
I mean, what's dobbs ceiling case? And then how does that even
fit into like these five receivers.It protects his it's a it's a cuff

(01:27:23):
for Watson though too. Sure,that's sure because he's starting five wide and
his five through his first five rounds. Yes, he's starting Piers and Pacheco.
He's starting pits. I mean thelook that's how that's a wide reces
a. That's a great build Ilike to build. Yeah, for sure.
I'm gonna admit something here. Thisis the first time you're in a
draft this season that somebody has beendrafted that I have no clue who they

(01:27:47):
are. Oh has anyone else?Yeah? Yeah, okay. I wanted
to make sure I wasn't missing somelate breaking uh road a world start Giants.
Yeah, well, there you go. Listen, we don't know who
these receivings are. I'm interested nowa rare player who could be a U

(01:28:09):
d F A Steel Yes, thereyou go. Next one month ago,
Sports Illustrated is receiver Bryce Ford Wheatonthe next Victor Cruz for the Giants.
Did you just make that up orwas that a hiadline? No? I
I just googled it. Oh really, the Google machine? The Google machine.

(01:28:32):
Yeah. Physical Traits six four twotwenty one ran a four three eight
forty showcasing a forty one ins vertical. This guy could come from undrafted undrafted
free agent Sean Tucker. Listen,Sean Tucker is my guy. So it's
you guys. A dynasty player holdon, let's go back on the Taji

(01:28:54):
Spears, rookie Tucker, rookie Laporta, rookie BLUs. Do we got Terry
and Sean? Well done, verywell, We're very very good. Wow.
In a surprising turn of events,Bryce Ford Wheaton's name was not called
during the twenty twenty three NFL Draft. They know people are sleeping on me.

(01:29:18):
I mean, he wasn't mocked inanything that I had seen. But
I don't mock that deep, right, I mean, I don't go past
I don't I don't go looking pastthe you know, three rounds, four
rounds for a wide receiver of usuallya fifth six. You're an unchartered territory
for listen, if you're gonna getif you're gonna be athletic, freaklick.
That guy is like, that's ateam to get get drafted too, because

(01:29:39):
they're they're they're hurting for for receivers. There's guys can guys can pop out
there. Nice. Well, congratulationsfor that and uh that that's one deal
to go ahead and throw on thedynasty rankings too. Great build by Messelex.
He knows what he's doing. He'swon this thing before. He has
an FWC belt to show for it. Finally, fair monkeys, Terry turned

(01:30:00):
Doug No and Seawan Medlin. They'vebeen the lucky guys here in all the
drawings and the wheelspins, one anAaron Donald, the helmet, one a
card. What's in the box?Last week? We didn't do that.
This week? Oh, come on, let's get the box. We couldn't
do the box. We couldn't dothe box. It's a funnel cake.
Listen, Jack and Jack and Iare in the draft. Let's do the

(01:30:20):
box. We can only do whatI had on the with what I had
a railroad spike. It's fair prices. Yeah, here we go. That's
right. I don't know who's gonnaI don't I don't know who who did
this, But it was sitting onmy desk. There you go, that's
on the desk. It's well,it's well, you know what this is

(01:30:43):
not showing up because it must begold dude. It's like, it's we're
gonna open it up and here wego, drum roll. Let's see if
we can get it to show up. Let's see if we can get it
to show up. We can't getit to show up. It is Kyle
Pitts. Kyle Pitts rookie card justcame in the mail. He's finally signing,

(01:31:12):
so he hasn't signed. This wasa rookie cards. Everybody who's been
waiting on these things, it finallycame in the mail. Congratulations Kyle Pitts.
Rookie number to ninety nine. Thatis National Treasures. That's one of
the best, the best elite card. If you're a collector for Kyle Pitts's
good. It's a good card.Yeah. We gave away Justin Fields last
week. Yeah. Back to Farrell, Monkeys, Davante Adams, Garrett Wilson.

(01:31:34):
You gotta love starting like that,Bruce Hall. You've got two Jets
players. Jalen Hurts, Miles Sanders, Little Philly, Old Love there in
Carolina, Treylon Burke's James Connor,Adam He's just taking turns like a zebra.
Adam Feelings, Somaj p Roun,Rondale Moore, Dalton Schultz. I

(01:31:56):
gotta get my head around this,fellas. Uh Okay, the Bruce Hall
pick I get it. It's youknow you you want to run him back
and he falls to you. I'lltake it. Jalen Hurts okay, fine,
he fell to the fourth round,and you know, typically four or
five is kind of where you're thinking. But then the Miles Sanders pick.

(01:32:17):
If you don't like the wide receivers, they're okay, fine, I'm okay,
Treylon Burks at six one. Ithink, look, this is just
semantics. This is just I mean, player eval here. Like I might
have taken in Jimbo just because I'mkind of higher on his upside, but
with the DeAndre Hopkins signing, butwho cares. You're you're getting your wide
receiver three that you like. That'swho you like. James Connor as your

(01:32:41):
RB three. Okay. Adam Feeland, a guy that you're probably gonna plug
in, is probably gonna lead thelead the team in targets. M P
run Rondelmore. I don't know whatto say about it. It really has
me kind of perplexed. It's justkind of okay, yeah, it's just
there's no like it looks like thebuild is just best player available BEV you

(01:33:03):
know, which is which is fine, which is which is great, especially
because it's not you know, it'snot best ball. So like there's there's
waivers so you can make up forcertain things, um, but yeah,
best, I mean Hall, whenI picked Henry is between Henry Gibbs and
Hall. It's really between Henry andHall because Gibs sometimes you can get in
the fourth round, but you're onthe clock or at least later third.

(01:33:24):
Hall's a great pick. And theyjust came out today and said the coach
that he looks fantastic. I meanyou know that, Scott, You're you're
locked into the Jets. Like theysay, he looks fat. This is
like the opposite of people need tostop with the Dobbin stuff from last year
Dobbins. Dobbin said he was playinglast year, nobody else said he was
playing. The doctors. The coacheslike, take it easy, take it
easy. He's you know, we'regoing to wait and see all the news

(01:33:45):
from Jets camp and correct me ifI'm wrong. Is that, uh,
he's playing and he looks good well. And it's also people reacting to news
that isn't news, like the factthat he's put on the pup list.
Is I assume part of the plan, Like no one you know that that's
reflective of where he was all along, and yet people react to the news

(01:34:08):
as if you know it somehow changeshis situation, right right, that's right.
Yeah. Look when I'm looking atthis twelve hole, I mean,
when you're on the turn like this, you're taking two back to back,
you know you have a long wayto go. So I understand why he's
hesitant to do anything like heavy handedand going wide receiver wide receiver because then

(01:34:30):
you're thinking, man, what's myRB three gonna look like? Or you
know, I understand, you knowwhy why you do things like that because
it is a long way away andyou feel like you're gonna get you know,
sniped. But this is this hasall the pieces that you need.
He knows better than if he's gonnatake Jalen Hurts. He knows to not
really put himself behind the eight ball, and he didn't take his tight end

(01:34:51):
until the eleventh round. He alsobacked it up with Laporta, which I
love that combo. I love theveteran with the rookie. I mean there's
there's one one synergy that you cankind of see a veteran with a rookie.
The rest of the build, Imean, maybe feeling Terris marshall um
everything else, like you said,is is is BPA best player available?

(01:35:13):
Take take it as it comes,and um see how it goes. Yeah,
Dpa and Ford Wheaton. All right, it's time, guys. That
is it. We ran through alltwelve teams. Everybody has a nice looking
strategy going on here. I likethe Zamere White pick in the thirteenth round.
I think that's an ADP. We'regoing to continue to see go up,
you know, especially if I've gotif I've got Jacobs and I want

(01:35:34):
to lock that in, it mightit's it's it's kind of a smart cuff
right now because he is looking sortof like he's he's the guy behind behind
Jacobs. And then if there's anotherpick here that I like, it's it's
my Pierre Strong. I like PierreStrong and Ti Chandler. Both of you
guys took one. Uh, Jack, you took Chandler, Adam, you
took Pierre Strong. Couple couple ofpicks. I like, there, Jack,

(01:35:58):
what do you like? Man?What do you what do you see
down here? We're talking end ofthe draft picks anywhere? Yeah? Anything
late? Well, I learned aboutFord Wheaton, so that's a I love
Giseki. I mean, nineteenth roundand they have no choice but to run
two tight ends and you know whenwas the last time Bell O'Brien was with
the Patriots, Gronk and Hernandez,Like, I could easily see that,

(01:36:23):
so, um, you know agreat example of waiting on tight end and
Adam. Yeah, um probably shouldhave been looking into Kendre Miller maybe another
Ken fella ton I like that.I like the Van Jefferson pick. I
think he could he if they,you know, are playing for him from

(01:36:43):
behind there. I still trust McVeigh. He's the number two guy. Maybe
Higbee I've got I've got Higby onmy team, but he's the number receiver
there. I like his Uh again, he's not going to be anything crazy
special, but he could be awide receiver three. Um if if it
all pans out, Yeah. Uh. Khalil Herbert was RB thirty two.

(01:37:05):
That's a little early in this draft. I kind of uh that. That
was interesting to see RB thirty twoat eight twelve. Um. kJ Osborne
on him earlier. All I talkedabout him on the mock draft. Anyway,
he has earned a role in theoffense. We talked to him a
Minnesota Vikings beat writer and he uh, he said, look, there's there's
a little bit of sloppiness with Addisonand we think he'll work his way through

(01:37:29):
it eventually. Obviously we talk aboutthe speeding ticket now how that. Bill
Enwright from Sports Illustrated reported on Osbourne'searned a role and it's not going anywhere.
And he is a playmaker, andhe has a good college pedigree,
talent opportunity pedigree. It's all therefor Osborne to be a contributor at this
level. So twelfth round you cando a lot worse. And uh,

(01:37:50):
let's see best team that I'm thatI'm looking at here. Um, yeah,
I like Messlex team. We talkedabout it. It's got all the
pieces. But you know, Idon't know if I'm really feeling love Ritter
how as my captain. I knowyou're trying to you know, maybe you
can play the matchups and get in, but I think that's a little unpredictable.

(01:38:11):
I'm not looking for ten to twelvepoint games out of my quarterback.
When Josh Allen's putting up thirty,Lamar's putting up thirty, my homes is
putting up thirty, Burrows putting upthirty. You know, these guys makes
makes it a little tough to getbehind. M Hub City has an interesting
team. I love the three widereceivers, but again the Lamar Kittle thing

(01:38:32):
is a little problematic for me becausethen you don't have that four and five
Beckham Boyd not really there for meanybody else anybody. And I like UM.
I like mass Alexa's build. Iwould have gone, like you said,
a quarterback a little bit sooner.I really like um Jack's build two

(01:38:54):
he'd be able to you know,that's how you do. Hear r RB
with the elite quarterback in the elitetight end. And also like Oscar Oscar's
build too, I mean Kenneth Walkerand that's late sixth round RB twenty one.
I mean that could work out reallywell. UM again gets the elite
or you know, elite dish tightend with Goddard Richardson could be an absolute

(01:39:15):
smash spot there. He he backshim up with the veterans, So if
Richardson doesn't pan out, he stillhas cousins to kind of get him through.
But Richardson has that, you know, justin fields upside, top three
quarterback upside week to week whenever whenwhenever he whenever he plays. I like
Bitcoin's team, I mean he's gothe's got everything. He went a little
heavy with the with the cam Akerspick I would have taken in Jigba there.

(01:39:39):
I would have loved that team throughsix within Jigba there, Ripper gets
him h But cam Akers can pullit off, you know, And that's
a good job Watson and Joku.I dig mass Alex. I like the
uncomfortable teams, the weird teams.And you know what, I don't foresee
him so much rotating around in thesethree quarters. You know he's got the

(01:40:01):
he's going on, Well, he'sgot the bet On love with Watson and
Dubbs, but if that doesn't workout, he's got ridder with the bet
On Drake London. So he's reallyjust looking at the start of the season
seeing who takes off. And ifyou know, one of these quarterbacks,
he's already invested with the wide receivers. So it makes a lot of sense
if you're going to do it thatway to push your advantage. But I

(01:40:23):
also like Pick Daily. Uh.You know, they focus on what's important.
You know, they've got the clearlyfrom a build perspective, than the
focus on wide receiver and running back. They're they're taking uh, you know,
single startable quarterback with upside as wellas you know, two later tight
ends, but really focusing on thepositions that matter, so both of them.

(01:40:48):
We were in the FSGA Props inFutures Draft today on Sirius XM and
we took a sizeable bet on thePackers to win the NFC North at plus
four hundred. Pretty good about ittoo, plus four hundred. You know
it's worth taking a shot. Thatdivision is not decided, and we will
see what Jordan Love has in thetank. That's the story of the night

(01:41:11):
for that build. Guys. Thanksthanks for getting things started and pulling off
another great show that concludes the RedVersus Blue Draft series for twenty twenty three.
Now things start to go dark alittle bit. Everybody's had July to
kind of look and see and peerinto the eyes of what the high stakes
players are thinking. Things start tocloudy up a little bit, get a

(01:41:32):
little darker. There'll still be somelive streams here and there, but the
Red Versus Blue Draft series is alwayskind of that sort of that last full
peak at what the high stakes playersare thinking. And now it's when you
know you've got all of your studying, you've got all your homework. You've
got all your your rankings and yourand your tools, and it's time to
go to work. This is thebig month of the year for the fantasy

(01:41:55):
football season. We're excited. You'rea part of it. Thank you Adam,
Thank you Jack, Thank you boyfor always being the heart at the
FWC draft room. Bravo guys,great job. We'll see guy soon on
the airways. Browntown is still athing groundtown. We're gonna see some drafts
coming up. Yeah, drafts definitelybe coming up. When is the uh

(01:42:16):
one of the draft? When ofthe main events start? August seventeenth,
Fountain, Oh, well, theonline wine main events have already started.
The slow drafts already started. Imean yeah, actual live like when ones
weekend the weekend stream August. Well, I don't know about streaming. I
don't. I don't know. MaybeAugust August thirteenth, maybe, okay,
maybe I'll just you can probably twistour arm. I don't. I don't

(01:42:38):
know. Have we ever streamed amain event? Listen, I'll sign up
for one and i'll if if everyone'sokay with that, I'll do that.
You gotta you gotta get everybody alltwelve to agree to it. I don't
know how you're gonna do that.What do you mean, No, I
don't know. They don't. Theydon't like to put they don't like to
put their main event teams out therefor all the seat They just don't.
They just don't listen. That's likepoker. I'm paying for the information.

(01:42:59):
I'll pay. I'll pay the draftthe team and then I can You can
get the ADP. You can getthe ADP, but you just can't get
the names associated with it. Well, who know, we don't know.
You know, these names are socrazy anyways, Saint Mesolex and you know,
Pharaoh, monkeys. It's funny.It's funny. Thanks guys, appreciate

(01:43:19):
you. We'll see you, guys. It's pleasure show

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