Grit Meets Growth

Grit Meets Growth

Chris Cathers and John Gamades bring you Grit Meets Growth... The podcast where we explore the power of getting uncomfortable, making things happen, and creating a magnetic life. Are you ready? Chris Cathers is the co-founder and CEO of Octellient, an information security expert, advisor and coach, and a cancer survivor. John Gamades is a co-founder and partner at the marketing agency OrangeBall Creative and the author of the Depth Not Width blog. Both are proud husbands, dads, and leaders in all they do. Having experienced adversity, challenges, the pressure of being entrepreneurs, Grit Meets Growth is the authentic and raw sharing of their journeys.

Episodes

December 31, 2025 38 mins
This New Year’s Eve episode sits in the quiet, powerful space between what was and what’s coming. We explore the idea of “liminal moments” — those in-between seasons that shape how we actually step into the next chapter — and unpack three deceptively simple questions that can reset your direction, reclaim your energy, and bring clarity to what really matters in 2026.

Five takeaways, in true Grit Meets Growth spirit:
  1. The way you c...
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On this episode of Grit Meets Growth, we jump in mid-conversation—because we were already in it—and unpack what confidence really looks like when you level up: that moment when you finally feel like you belong… until you stretch again and the old self-talk comes roaring back. This is a gut-check about the quiet cost of what we’ve normalized—tolerating pain, drifting on the fence, letting tired become identity—and why most people do...
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Welcome back to another episode of Grit Meets Growth. Today’s a special one. We’re pulling back the curtain on the brotherhood inside Built for More and inviting you into the room with us. Five months into this journey—and with most of the guys having just wrapped up a round of 75 Hard—we thought it was the perfect time to bring everyone together, share what this experience has looked like, and talk honestly about the growth, the c...
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Today’s conversation starts with a simple question: What are we talking about? And it turns into something bigger—something we’ve been seeing everywhere. Men who feel stuck. Men who feel adrift. Men running on autopilot and wondering, Now what? Guys who know deep down there’s more in them, even if they don’t know how to get to it. And here’s the thing… the women in their lives see it too. In this episode, we dig into why so many me...
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This episode kicks off the way so many of our best ones do: with a pre-show conversation that turned into the real show. What started as a casual check-in about 75 Hard, restarts, and setbacks quickly turned into a deep dive on purpose, accountability, and the power of having people who pull you off the sidelines when it’s easier to stay there.

From mental toughness and discipline to rediscovering your mission and living on purpose,...
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When life hits hard, resilience becomes more than a buzzword—it’s a lifeline. In this episode of the Grit Meets Growth podcast, we dive deep into what it really means to walk through the storm and keep moving forward. From personal stories of injury, setback, and shifting priorities, to the raw honesty of confronting ego, fear, and mental clutter, this conversation unpacks what resilience looks like when life gets messy. You’ll hea...
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We talk a lot on this podcast about grit, about living on the edge of your comfort zone, about pushing yourself through the uncomfortable to grow. Today, we’re going deeper. 

We’re talking about what happens when the hustle and performance become masks, when we hide behind being “fine” instead of being seen for who we really are. This episode is about vulnerability, authenticity, and the courage to take that mask off. Growth doesn’t...
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In this episode of Grit Meets Growth, we dive into the power of open dialog—not the surface-level kind that stays safe, but the kind that creates space for honest reflection, real accountability, and genuine connection. We explore how conversation becomes a tool for grit and resilience, challenging us to admit when we’re struggling, to call each other out when excuses creep in, and to carry one another’s burdens when life gets heav...
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We’re back, and today we’re diving into a subject that sits at the core of Grit Meets Growth—comfort. It’s been nearly a year since we dedicated an entire conversation to it, but if you’ve listened for a while, you know this theme surfaces often. We believe growth begins at the edge of your comfort zone, and while the world tells us to chase comfort, the truth is it comes with a hidden cost. Comfort feels safe, but it can quietly r...
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Every time we hit record on this podcast, there’s always that half hour before—the raw, unfiltered conversation—that feels like the best part. This time, it was about seasons changing, kids heading back to school, routines shifting, businesses rolling into budget season, and all of us feeling that turbulence. In the middle of that swirl, we started talking about purpose, fear, and what it means to actually go for it—not just coasti...
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In this episode, we’re taking last week’s conversation on why staying the same is easy and why it’s killing your growth, and pushing it further. We’re diving into a powerful, uncomfortable question: What are you tolerating in your life?

From toxic relationships to weak boundaries, from bad habits to the excuses you’ve made a dozen times, these are the silent drains on your energy, purpose, and potential. We’ll talk about the cost of...
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Staying the same is easy. It’s cozy, it’s familiar, and it doesn’t ask much of us. But what if that comfort is quietly holding you back from who you’re really meant to be? In this episode of the Grit Meets Growth podcast, we’re diving into the tug-of-war between comfort and growth. From personal stories about stepping out of the air-conditioned house into the heat, to breaking old habits that no longer serve us, we’re talking about...
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This episode is all about priorities—how they shift, how they shape us, and how we sometimes get them wrong before we get them right. We unpack what it means to live with intention, why peace and purpose matter more than hustle and grind, and how redefining success can change everything. From fatherhood and marriage to leadership and legacy, we take a raw, honest look at what it means to grow as a man—and why action is the bridge b...
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In this episode, we dive headfirst into one of the most important (but often overlooked) ingredients of growth: taking action. From gut-level realignment to stepping out of your comfort zone, we unpack what it looks like to stop thinking and start moving. 
 
Whether it’s your health, your relationships, your work, or the dreams you’ve kept on the shelf for too long, this conversation challenges you to stop waiting until you “feel rea...
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On today’s episode, we’re hitting record on a Friday—our favorite day to sit down and reflect—and we’ve got a lot to unpack. With June being Men’s Mental Health Awareness Month, this conversation goes deep into what it really means to be strong, to wear the mask, and more importantly, what it looks like to take it off. We’re talking about the internal battles men face daily, the lies we tell ourselves, and the need for real convers...
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In the last episode, we talked about the importance of betting on yourself — showing up with boldness, taking risks, and owning your story. But after we wrapped, something kept tugging at us. There’s a shadow side to betting on yourself: going it alone. 
 
This episode is all about the lone wolf mindset — the belief that strength means isolation, that you have to carry the weight on your own to earn respect. It’s a lie we’ve been sol...
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This episode comes straight from the heart. No filters—just real conversation about what it means to show up. We talk about the power of giving without expecting anything in return… and the humbling experience of learning how to receive. We explore purpose, faith, taking bold steps into the unknown, and the kind of seeds we all plant with the way we treat people. If you’ve ever wrestled with what it looks like to bet on yourself, l...
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Today we’re throwing down a challenge: growth without purpose is just movement. We’ve both lived seasons where we were grinding like hell—busy, burned out, and headed in the wrong direction. Titles, hustle, long days on the treadmill… all of it looked like success from the outside, but inside, we were drifting further from what actually mattered. In this episode, we talk about what happens when you stop chasing empty goals and star...
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Welcome back to the Grit Meets Growth podcast. This week, we’re diving into part two of a conversation we kicked off last episode: removing distractions and getting clear on the path forward. But this time, we’re taking it further. Because knowing what to do is one thing… taking action is another. From unexpected clarity and hard decisions to owning both your wins and losses, we’re talking about the difference between standing stil...
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Energy is everything. That simple bumper sticker lit the fuse for this conversation—and it couldn’t be more accurate. Because in a world drowning in noise, distractions are coming at us from every angle. News. Social media. Endless opinions. Even “good” things that quietly pull us off course. The mission gets blurry, the focus fades, and suddenly we’re just surviving the chaos. This episode is all about clearing the clutter, cuttin...
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