S06E06 - Alive Day - Groundless (A Justified Podcast)

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Rolling down the bull of buttons,feed a bowl cold there like a tail,
all light, Tornado, ring topromised soul kits with one hand on
the glass pie he Harver, longheel, devil riding shot gun, singing

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boy, Let's make a deal.This is Groundless a Justified podcast. This
is a podcast where we watch everyepisode of Justified and then come on here
and talk about it. I'm Chris, that man is Randy God. We're
back and it seems like we,uh we just left. I know.

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It's just like we take that longbreak. We wed that long like three
month four month period where we didn'trecord anything except the City Primeval podcast of
course that uh yeah, and nowwe're back to this every two week schedule,
getting back into this thing. Soyeah, yeah, I'm excited.
This is I really like this episodeabout you. But maybe it's just because

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like it was, it's just likeold old old time you Justified or something.
It is. It feels very oldtime you justified. You've got railing,
you know, making noise and screwingwith criminals to you know, cause
their schemes to fall apart. You'vegot boyd you know, being boyed and
having long conversations and uh yeah,I mean it's a it's a very good

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Justified episode, and you know,it kind of represents the sort of acceleration,
the beginning of the acceleration for therest of the season, even the
even Chu Chu dying like that wholethe thing, Yeah, is just like
very justified. Its train almost hittingthem at the end. Yeah, we'll

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talk about the train and whether that'srealistic or not. We've got a couple
of sort of unrealistic things happening inthis episode, but that's okay because it's
a lot of fun. I reallyenjoy this. I agree. So,
yeah, we are here to talkthis week. Season six, episode six,
a Live Day. This episode originallyaired February twenty fourth, twenty fifteen,

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and our synopsis, Raylan investigates amurder that has sown discord in Markham's
camp. Boyd's latest heist forces himto revisit his mining days. I would
say that Raylan investigates a murder andinstigates discord in Markham's camp, is right,
absolutely is It's you know, everyseason he does that. You know,

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like, oh, you can't reallytrust that guy that you're working with,
And here's why you know in notso many words, and yeah,
and then the schemes just evaporate intodust. They can't trust each other.
Nope, this criminals, the criminalcode, don't trust anyone. Yeah,

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so let's get into our episode basics. But before we do that, I
did want to mention don't forget tosubscribe, rate, and review. We
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do that if you haven't already.I mean, if you've gotten to episode
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please go do it. Because youlike the show obviously, unless you're
hate listening, which just fine too. I fully am supportive of a hate
listener. I hate watch some programmingmyself, so I get it really well,

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well, you know, we weI I started watching Survivor the day
air started airing in two thousand andone. So I've been watching. I've
watched every single episode of Survivor thathas ever aired, all forty five plus
seasons of it. And and lately, lately the quality of the casting has

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dropped off pretty substantially. And Istill love the concept of the game,
and I still love the twists.But but there's a lot of hate watching
that goes on in our when we'rewatching Survivor. Yeah, a lot of
commenting at the screen and yeah,that sort of thing. Yeah, little
MST three King and yeah, definitelyI started. I started watching this show

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and I almost finished on this showcalled Bawlers on HBO. It has the
Rocket. Yeah yeah, that's gotthe Rock. Yeah yeah, yeah,
that show for the first season anda half before I I think I kept
going for like five seasons or somethingnonsense too, oh yeah, something crazy,
But each time it was like theRock And I don't know, we've

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had we've talked about the Rock beforeand there is. But the one thing
that did convert me to like,okay, this is just it's it's silly,
you know, but it's there's thisone scene where the rock is like
driving exactly what scene you were gonnasay, Yes, I thought the same

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thing. Go ahead, he poppedme. He's popping pills and he's on
the phone and I've never seen himlike that. I thought that was the
funniest part. Like he's talking onthe phone. It's just like driving down
in his land Rover. You know, yeah, you know exactly what I'm
talking about, right exactly, Butbut it's not it's not just the pop
and pills and talking on the phone, right, it's the tailor swift thing.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I distinctly remember that saying.

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Rob Cordrey's in that show too,And Rob Cordory is hilarious and he's very
good in that show. But it'snot a good show, no, no,
no, no. It's sort oflike Entourage for sports ife was like
fifty worse than it is. That'strue. And Vinnie Chase wasn't like good

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pounding every piece of tail right,yeah exactly, he wasn't. Everybody else
around him. Was it is likeTurtle and all those other guys were getting
their chair but Vince was not.Was not. Yes, Yes, Oh
wow, that's the show I haven'tthought about a while. That's a good
hate watch show, candidate. That'svery totally yeah, because it's it's entertaining,

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it's moderately entertaining in and of itself. That's the key for it to
be good hate watch. Yeah,regardless, if you're hate watching the show,
give us five stars for that,or hate listening to the show,
because give us five stars for thattoo, because other people might want to
hate listen. And if you're nothate listening and you're in season six,
episode six, either you've done everythingthat the internet has to offer, in

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which case, congratulations, or youactually like the show, so go give
us five stars. I'm ready giveus the next review, or you gay
you know that talk that mean Ido. Also, don't forget to check
out our socials at Groundless Pod andat Groundless Podcast. You can find us

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on YouTube or Reddit or x formerlyTwitter, or email us Groundless Podcast at
gmail dot com. So now thatI've got that out of the way,
let's talk about the episode basics here. So we got our synopsis already written.
This episode written by We noticed,you know, at the beginning of

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this season that we've had this trendof having two written by writers, and
this episode doesn't change that. BenjaminCavell, of course, who we know.
And Jennifer Kennedy, who's a newwriter to the show. She's been
in the writer's room, of course, I think, but not receiving a
written by credit. And this timeshe does two episodes of Sneaky Pete.

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Also for her, an episode ofJack Ryan and an entire series of something
called The Wilkinsons, which is ashow that aired on CMT Canada, which
I didn't even know was a thingand as a sitcom actually, so it's
a sitcom that aired on CMT Canadaand she wrote the entire series of it
and it's like twenty four episodes orsomething like that. So he congratulations to

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her for that. I've definitely neverheard of it, but maybe it's a
thing in Canada. Directed by PeterWerner, who we've talked about before.
And then some guest stars this week, so we have a couple and I
want to talk about a couple whodon't make it through this episode Duke Davis
Roberts is Mundo or chow Chow,depending on who you are. And uh.

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He's been in several things, includingLongmire, which is sort of a
spiritual sibling I think of Justified.I've never seen longmyer, but I think
people who like Justified tend to likeLongmire, and it's I think it's sort
of a similar feeling show to Justified. So so he's in Longmire. He's

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in the Sun, which I hadn'theard of before, five episodes of that,
the Peripheral, which was that theywere advertising that during the Super Bowl
last year. I remember there werethese these weird ads. It's got hit
Girl in it from uh uh,well, what's that kick Ass from the
kick Ass superhero movie? Hit Girlsin it? And yeah, I think

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I think she's like the main character, not not not hit Girl herself,
but but the actress who played hitGirl, Oh, Chloe Moritz. Yeah,
yeah, yeah, that's the one, Chloe, Chloe Grace. That's
it. Yeah. Yeah. Andthen he was also in Heels, the
TV series about wrestling bad guys.I don't know if you've heard of that.

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I've heard of it. I've definitelyseen some of the promo material for
it, but I have never seenan episode. But yeah, he's he's
in that. I think he's oneof the series regulars or a main character
in that show. So you wantto see Mundo and other stuff, check
out Heels, I would say,or The Peripheral, which I don't think
got a second season. So god, I was gonna say that thinking of

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you ever see that movie Fighting forMy Family or With my Family? I
didn't see the movie. I sawthat. I remember seeing the trailers for
that when it came out, butI haven't seen the movie. No,
okay, because we like, beforewe started recording, we started talking about
the Rock or about the Rock one. But we're recording anyway. I'm all

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confused, but yeah, we were. It was while we were recording.
Yeah, okay, okay, that'sright, just like two seconds ago.
But the Rocks in it. Andthen Florence Pugh is actually the wrestler and
she pays her. Because I knowyou like Chris Hot Hot, you should
go watch that movie. Highly recommend. It actually is pretty solid. I

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think if you're if you really youdon't even think you have to like the
w W or professional wrestling. Ijust think it's a. It's a solid
film, Okay, cool, Yeah, yeah, I'll check that out.
I liked the old old school professionalwrestling, like in the eighties, you
know, oh yeah, Andre theGiant and Sergeant Slaughter and all those guys,
you know, the iron cheic,the iron chic, Randy Savage.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah, Ilove those guys. Rick Flair, who
yeah, god, you know thatwhole logan's still around doing this thing.
Yeah. Yeah. You want abunch of money from from Gawker Media.
About a decade ago, I think, maybe not quite a decade ago,
like eight years ago. I publishedhis sex tape. Yeah, he want

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to want to protracted lawsuit against them, and I think it was like Peter
Teal or what of it was anchoredthe loss, Yeah, because he wanted
to put Gawker out of business.Yeah. Speaking of Peter Teal, turns
out he's a nark Did you hearabout that? No, I didn't hear
about it. What, Oh youdidn't hear about that? He's a He's

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a registered FBI in format has beenfor like the thirty years. Oh really,
who's going a nark on? Though? I don't know anyone they want
him to. That's the that's thedeal. Once you're compromised, right,
that's the Oh, that's right.We should know that by watching this series.
Absolutely, just they'll make you dowhatever they want you to do.

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Look at poor Eva. So yeah, dig that up when you get a
chance to read that story. Thatwas an interesting one that I stumbled across
earlier. But yeah, so sothat's that's Duke Davis Roberts. So I
wanted to talk for just a secondabout Sean Parsons. Sean Parsons plays a

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character named the Pig, also creditedas mister Handsome, So it's it's one
or the other. And he's thehe's the good looking guy and Boyd's crew
who doesn't have a lot of linesbut falls down a pit at the end
of this episode. Yeah, andhe's been at a bunch of stuff like
he's he's got you know, he'sgot something like sixty credits or something,

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but almost all of them are likeone episode appearances in shows that I mostly
haven't heard of. A couple exceptionsto that person of interest. He was
in an episode of that Containment,which I'm not familiar with, but it's
an epidemic MAC limited series that airedI think on c W or or one

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of those one of those channels.But it's a it's like a twelve or
fourteen episode limited series, and hewas he was in that nine episodes of
that, so he was kind ofan important character in that. And then
and then he's been in you know, all the all the normal stuff like
Law and Order, Special Victims Unitand n CIS New Orleans and all those

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sorts of shows where you make oneguest appearance and and that's that. So
he's got a bunch of those.But but I did want to acknowledge since
he uh, since he doesn't makeit out of this episode Sean Parsons the
pig, mister Hansome going down thepit. So and then finally Ashley Delaney

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who plays Caprice, who is thehooker for lack of the sex worker who
Calhoun Schreier says, can all sobe your friend. She's got also a
lot of one episode appearances, butshe's been in the New Quantum Leap,
which I haven't seen. Have youseen the New Quantum Weep? I liked

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that original one. There was athere was a new Quantum Leap. Oh
yeah, oh yeah, that's inthe second season. I believe really yeah,
okay, we gotta like I rememberto pitching that bid a few really
a few maybe it was last yearor something like that. We were talking
about doing something possibly like oh thishas been remade or something like that,

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you know, like dad or yeah, yeah, I think at this point,
trying to find the stuff that hasn'tbeen remade, it's gonna be really
exactly exactly even you know, it'sfunny. I was reading an article.
This was this was years and yearsand years ago. It was you know
what it was. It was whenthat Bewitched movie came out with Nicole Kidman.

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Yeah. Yeah, and it bombedat the box office. It did
terribly. But but they the articlewas talking about how it won't scare studios
away from reusing old ip because themarketing budget drops so much when you're using
a recognizable name. You don't haveto know, you don't have to market

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the film as much, so you'veyou know, you're taking the most expensive
part of making a movie and you'recutting that budget by two thirds or something
because people have name recognition of Bewitched. I mean, they made a whole
they made a whole movie about itwith the distinguished gentilmen. But yeah,
that's the whole thing, is likeeven the bad stuff, even stuff that

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wasn't successful, Like I'm surprised wehaven't seen like a on My Mother the
Car like movie or something like that, you know, wildly accepted to be
one of the worst TV shows ofall time, but you know, uh,
something that they would bring back becausepeople know the name and so people
will go see it. Yeah.Yeah, well, remember what was it?

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The Fugitive was a TV show andthen I probably do for another remake.
Actually, well I think they didremake. I mean they remade it.
They remade it like ten years agoor something, didn't they The Harrison
Ford Fugitive the TV show that Ohyeah, no, it was. Yeah.
You know what, they did amini series in twenty twenty. Guess

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who starred in it. I giveup, Boyd Holbrook? What yeh are
you serious? I am dead serious. Boyd Holbrook plays Mike Farrow, who
is yeah, wow, fugitive KeeperSutherland. Also that in that mini series.
Oh yeah, there is one here. Oh geez, okay, there

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was one. And then there wasone from two thousand that didn't last very
long that had Tim Daly and MackeltieWilliamson. It's yet another connection to justify.
There's so many. I didn't evenknow that one. I'm gonna have
to go check that out. Actually, the remake, oh, the remake
the boyd Holbrook one. Yeah,yeah, I don't know. I think
it revolves around like a terrorist plotor something. Oh yeah, okay,

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just crazy. So yeah, soyeah, The Fugitive now has been remade.
The Fugitive TV show now has beenremade twice if you don't count the
movie, which would be a third. So yeah, So again, hard
to find stuff that hasn't been remade. But yeah, that's Ashley Delaney.
Quantumly the new Quantum Leap ncis nineto one, one lone star. She

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had a three episode arc on Daysof Our Lives. She was in Bones
and Workaholics, which is a showI love. So yeah, lots of
one episode appearance. Is not reallyknown for a whole lot else besides that,
and very very cute. I mean, she does a really I think
she does a very good job playinga convincing sex worker in this. Yeah,
I mean she's got the natural sortof empathy that I think someone would

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have to have in that situation,right, like she can. She's making
an emotional or more than physical connectionwith her with her client tele and that's
why they keep calling her back.Yeah. Yeah, she knows how to
get that repeat business. Yeah,that's what you want to repeat, the
regular clients, savvy savvy business person. Yeah, very similar to that,

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the one in the girl in thiswhat that last season of Justified? Uh
in Yeah, yeah, Dewey Crow'sDewey Crow's friend. Yeah, no,
no, no, I'm talking aboutthat in City Primeval. What's her name?
Sandy? Oh, Sandy. Yeah, Well, Sandy is not really
a hooker or a prostitute, aren'tthey all? Actually no, I guess

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she kind of Well yeah, Idon't know if she turns tricks necessarily,
but she does use sexual encounters toscam men. So yeah, let's not
split hairs here. I suppose adistinction without a difference. All right,

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Well, that gets us through ourepisode basics in uh in record record length
time, I think, despite allthe all my digressions. But but that
means we got to take a tripback to the week of February twenty fourth,
twenty fifteen and see what was happeningin popular culture at the time.

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Are you telling me you built atime machine, are Yeah, and we
we're looking at our number one movie, our number one top forty song,
and our number one top forty songis the same week number seven, Uptound
Funk stays in charge. And againI haven't peaked ahead, but I suspect

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based on what I remember about UptownFunk, it will be number one when
we finished this series as well.Number one movie fifty Shades of Gray again,
although a huge drop off this week. They went from opening weekend last
weekend one hundred and seven million,they made twenty nine million this week.

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Yeah. Not great in a sevenday week as opposed to a three day
week, so, uh, notreal good. I mean it's still that's
but still thirty million, Still stillthirty million dollars. Yeah, but I
mean that's a that's a seventy fivepercent drop off from week one. That's
not good. Also, I haven'tseen any of those movies. Oh I

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haven't either. I haven't either.Yeah, yeah, I guess there's some
fabulous nudity in those movies, butyou know, I think you have to
sit through like two hours other stuff. Yeah. Well, we talked about
that, the idol that had plentyof oh yeah, yeah yeah, and

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also terrible right like like yeah again, we'll be remembered as one of the
worst TV shows ever made. Ithink, fabulously terrible, used on every
list of like bad TV. Yeahyeah uh. Also premiering this week in
theaters, the Duff designated Ugly FatFriend is what that stands for. I

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saw that movie. That's kind ofEmma Stone in it. I think I
saw that too. Yeah, let'ssee here it came out. Yeah,
I saw that movie. Yeah itwas okay. I didn't see it at
the theater. I saw it.I saw it at home. Yeah,
yeah, it was okay, itwas fine, it was funny. Yeah,
I enjoyed it. And then TheThorn that's who it is? Oh
Bella Thorne, isn't it bell Thorn? Yeah? And then Hot Tub Time

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Machine two is also premiered this week, and I did see that movie in
the theater, so I was probablyone of the people who contributed to the
eight million dollars it raked in itsopening weekend, which I think under any
metric is a failure. Well,it's the movie cost I don't know how
much the movie costs to make,but definitely more than eight million. Dollars,

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and it was the Donsach and RobQudrey and uh, what's his name
from from the office, Oh,Darryl Darrel from the office. Yeah,
exactly. Yeah, it was eightmore than eight million dollars. That's a
that's the sequel too. Yes,it wasn't the original. It wasn't and
they and usually the actors make morefor the sequel. So that's the So

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just paying your actors alone costs morethan eight million. I promise fourteen percent
on RT on Tomatoes fifteen percent?Is that just said? Fourteen percent Front
Tomatoes. Yeah. I didn't thinkit was that terrible. I enjoyed it.
I don't I don't think I sawit. I don't think I saw
the first one. Okay, youknow, like the concept is something I

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totally go for, you know,just based on the title, but I
just haven't seen it. Well.I mean, it's it's a time travel
movie, but it essentially is aperiod piece because it takes place in the
eighties. There's a great storyline inthe first one, the original one.
There's a great storyline that involves thedrive because it's happening when that's happening,
and so it brings back terrible menfor you, long, long suffering brown

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I remember crying after that game.I remember just going nuts. Actually that's
funny because I remember going always likejust he was just like just drove him
down the fields. Yeah, itwas fantastic, crazy, I mean objectively
amazing, but you know, subjectivelyterrible. Absolutely, But that's like par

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for the course for Cleveland franchises.Yeah. Yeah, without getting cause this
is not a football podcast, isa justified podcast. So without getting into
too much detail, the Browns havewon the last two weeks. Uh,
they should not have won either oneof those games. They've gotten some significant
assistance from the rafts, and allthey're doing is just setting up Browns fans
to be disappointed when they actually don'tget assistance from the rafts and have to

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play a tough game. So it'sgonna really suck. You just prepare with
your Yeah. No, look,even when you win, you don't really
win if you're a Browns fan here, that's just the way it works,
that's right. Yeah, I won'tbe convinced until they actually win a Super

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Bowl. Well I don't even know, man, Like I stopped following football.
But are they closed or no?Like team wise, no, I
would say, I mean, Iwould say, I would say a sort
of. They've got some really goodtalent, especially on the defensive side of
the ball. They've also got toSean Watson, that quarterback. But he's

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hurt ish. He doesn't seem towant to play very much, is the
vibe I'm getting. He got his, he got his two hundred and fifty
million dollars. Now he's kind oflike, I'm not sure I'm all for
this football thing. When I hadthose two years off because I assaulted those
massage therapists, that felt pretty good. I was getting a paycheck and not
having to work, I think Iwant to kind of want to keep doing

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that. That's the vibe I'm getting. So not great. Yeah, well,
of course, because the Browns willnever be a find either find or
keep ahle quarterback, not a nota tier a quarterback, No way.
We piece it together with spare parts. So, speaking of piecing together with
spare parts, our organized crime storythis week lesser known organized crime. I'm

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going to talk about the mafia,but I'm not going to talk about the
American mafia. I'm going to talkabout the Sicilian mafia operating in America.
It's a weird sort of thing.So basically, in the nineteen sixties,
these Sicilian mafia guys start showing upin New York. Some of them have
gotten kicked out of Italy by therest of the Sicilian mafia because they don't

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like them for one reason or another. But you know, we welcome the
poor, tired, huddled masses yearningto breathe free here. So they end
up in New York. They're affiliatesof the organized crime families in New York,
but they're not actual members of theorganized crime families. And they're called
Zips, which is a slur usedto refer to Italian immigrants, primarily because

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of the way that they speak.So they speak in a very kind of
staccato, rapid, rapid fire sortof Italian with that Sicilian dialect, and
so that's why they call them theZips because they talk so fast. But
anyway, digress. So you haveall these Sicilian mafia guys that show up

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in New York, and there's aguy named Carmine Galanti who works for the
Banaro crime family, and he's attemptingto use the Zips to control the entire
heroin trade. He's in charge ofheroin distribution and the drug trade for the
Banano crime family. But he's tryingto use his connection to the Zips to

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sort of monopolize and control the entireheroin trade in the US. Well,
the rest of the Banano crime familydoesn't really care for that, so they
take him out. When they takehim out, the Sicilians in Italy take
over the trade. Right They're againloosely affiliated with the crime families in New

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York, but ultimately they're running theshow in Italy. And so what happens
is this morphine paste from Turkey,and the reason I picked this one this
week we'll talk about in a second. But this morphine paste comes in from
Turkey, goes to Polarimo in Italy, in Palermo, it's converted into heroin,
and then it's put into San Marizanotomato cans, which are then shipped

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to pizza parlors throughout the US andthe Midwest especially, And so they called
this the pizza connection. And sobasically you have these Sicilian guys who are
working at these pizza parlors that arehelping with this heroin distribution. Over eight
years, about sixty million in cashgets smuggled out of the country, transferred

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to Switzerland, Italy, Turkey.The FBI gets wind to this thing and
they start paying very close attention toit. In nineteen eighty five, you
have a trial, twenty two defendants, fifty five thousand wire taps, three
hundred witnesses. The trial lasts seventeenmonths and they get eighteen convictions. The

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bosses get forty five years each.Wow. Now, the reason I brought
this up is because I'm currently listeningto Blowback season four. If you have
and checked out Blowback yet check itout. You know you may not agree
politically with what the people are saying, but it is very interesting insight into

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the United States history of warmongering incertain regions of the world, Cuba,
Iraq, Korea, and this seasonAfghanistan. And they talked about the Russian
invasion of Afghanistan, the occupation,what our role was in that, and

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how the heroin trade played into that, and basically the way it worked was
heroin trade was allowed because Pakistan wasmaking a bunch of money from it,
and Pakistan was our ally so basicallyI think what was happening here. And
they talked about this pizza connection heroinring being supplied with heroin out of coming
out of Afghanistan, and essentially whathappens is, I think you get the

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poppy derivative or whatever it is isthat's being grown in Afghanistan that gets sent
out to either Pakistan or to Turkeywhere it gets made into morphine paste,
and then that morphine paste makes itsway to Italy, which makes its way
to the US eventually. So Ithought that was interesting and it was interesting
to hear about kind of how basicallyall of the money, all of the

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money that was used to buy orto buy weapons for I mean, it's
basically the the you know, sellcrack in the inner cities and use it
to fund the contras. It's avery similar thing, except our government wasn't
explicitly involved this time. A plausibleright, exactly. Yeah, it was

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the government of Pakistan that was sellingthe heroine to fund to fund the The
mujaha Deen, by the way,is who we were funding. Let's not
forget that part, giving them,giving them anti tank and anti helicopter weapons.
Yeah. And eventually that mujah Deenbecame led by Osama bin Laden.

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Yeah. Yeah, So do themath on that one again. Check it
out blowback if you get a chance. There's a fee associated with it.
It is absolutely fantastic. It isworth the twenty five dollars that you pay
for their ten episodes and ten bonusepisodes, so it's twenty episodes and it
is meticulously researched. It is amazing. It's an amazing show and original music

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audio clips you're not going to hearanywhere else. It's a really really cool
podcast and definitely worth checking out.So I'll give those guys a shout out.
Blowback is what you're looking for.But anyway, I thought that this
was interesting. I had never heardof the pizza connection before that, and
quite the scheme that they had goingon, and it was operating independently or

(32:53):
at least quasi independently of the crimefamilies. Oh they should call that Pizza
Gate. I think that name mightbe taken for something else. I don't
know anything about it. Just googleit and see what happens. That's not

(33:15):
the official position of the Groundless podcast. So let's get into our episode here,
Boyd. So if we remember wherewe left off, Ava kisses Raylan
and says, hey, you needto get out of here. Boyd's coming
home, and Rayan's like, no, I think I'm gonna hang out because
I want to talk to Boyd,and he and Boyd have a quick conversation.
When Boyd rolls up there, there'sa there's a moment there where Boyd

(33:37):
is very suspicious of Raylan's intentions.He uh he He leads in with believing
that somehow Raylan is there to engagein adult activity with his fiance. And
I don't know, there's been nothingbefore this that would give any vacation that

(34:01):
Ava was interested in resuming a romancewith Raylan, or that Raylan was interested
in resuming a romance with Ava.Right, it seems very out of left
field for Boyd to be thinking thisis what's going on. Well, there's
still the lingering. Oh, youknow, like he was he was giving

(34:21):
her the business. True, andthat that happened, I mean in real
time, it's like less than twoyears ago or something like that. Yeah,
and you know, like the wayit was, like relationships are with
certain people, they can't play itoff. It's just one of those things.
Oh, it just happened. Idon't know what was happening. You
know, it was a backslide.Yeah, I don't know. I don't

(34:42):
know what's going on. I don'tknow what happened. But we have a
little clip of Boyd and Raylan's conversation, which we've been treated to so few
of this season, and we getone here. Well, no about do
it crow? That boy? What'she done? Ye things, I imagine.
But the reason I'm asking is causeI was supposed to meet up with

(35:02):
them continue a conversation. I neverfound Dewy Crow to be much of a
conversationist. As his moments it dependson the subject of hand. This one
concerned a little trip I took downOld Mexico. You know, the last
time we spoke, you told meyou'd been transferred to Florida. Yet you're

(35:24):
not gone. But the keen observationmakes me think maybe there's something here.
You're having a hard time letting go. Uh Allow, It's easier for me
to let go of things if Ifeel like they've been left in good hands.
M Dewey Crow. Well, itseems to me. Last time I

(35:49):
saw Dewey Crow, he was headingover to the pizza portal, all spun
up, gonna give a couple offellas over their pieces. Mine couple of
fellas mean an Avery Marker. Oh, I can't say I know that name.
Funny, he knows you. Hewent on and on, but he
knows everybody in these hollers, crowders, bennettes. Didn't no shit about my
family though. Well, then thereyou go. This is your chance to

(36:12):
see to it. He remembers you. Because if I'm looking for Dewey going
at mark and will be my bestbet. Well, I don't know Ryland,
but I do know you ain't gonnafind him in Ava's kitchen. Maybe
you just won't then do your dirtywork. I can take care of myself.
It's Ava that I'm worried about.You see, I want to ensure

(36:35):
Harland has a future for us andwhoever else we might bring into this whole
world. It's such a weird thingbecause like he hasn't we've never seen he
and Ava talk about having a child, right yeah, yeah, And he's
like doing that in front of railit and Ava was so uncomfortable with it.

(36:58):
And he's also like know, basicallylike feeling up on you y he
does that. He has that therewhere she's facing away from him and he's
like stroking her legs like oh,there's something here you can't like. Off.
He's demonstrating ownership, right, He'slike, this is my girl,
not your girl, Raylan. Andagain, it's very much a kind of

(37:19):
alpha male sort of thing that youwouldn't anticipate that Boyd would do. But
Raylan drives him crazy. And andwhat better evidence for that though when he
says, hey, didn't didn't yousay you were moving to Florida last time?
We thought? Why are you stillhere bothering me? Yeah, shouldn't
be in the sun by now leavingme alone? I do. I do

(37:43):
appreciate that Boyd makes it like,hey, why aren't you leaving me alone?
If you're leaving yeah? Yeah,And that's part of it also,
right, because he's expecting Raylan tobe gone already. Yeah, And you
would think that he's got to havesomething in his head that says, Hey,
the reason Raylan's not gone, it'sbecause he's trying to bust to me.
That's what's going on here. Notnot that he's trying to bang my

(38:05):
my fiance. He's he's trying tolock me up for good and then maybe
bang my fiance. So yeah,so that's uh, you know, Raylan
does not stay for chicken. Uh, and boy does put Raylan onto Markham,
you know, in in traditional boydcrowd or fashion. Whenever Raylan comes

(38:28):
looking for information, he immediately turnshim on his enemies. So and and
Raylan knows it right calls him outon it. So they're both playing the
same game. So uh, Meanwhile, Markham's gang are doing a little after
action assessment on the on the Realtorsituation. Uh, you know, Walker

(38:52):
wants to know what happened. Theyexplain what happened. Choot Choo Choo Choo
talks about how if you guys letme take care of the bartender problem,
this wouldn't have happened, but youhad to send me here. We're all
pent up, and I took itout on this guy, basically is what
he says. And so they decidedto roll him up in a carpet and

(39:13):
dump him in the woods. Butthey also identify that, oh wait,
this this prostitute that that saw usis something that's a loose end that we're
going to have to tie up thateverybody had forgotten about until Walker asks like,
hey, wait, is there anythingelse we need to think about here?
He's like, oh wait, there'sa there's a prostitute, so so

(39:37):
chut Chuo there's a dispute about whoshould be responsible for killing the prostitute.
Sea Bass doesn't want to do it, and you can understand why. It's
kind of distasteful sort of work.Uh, And chut Chu says, you
know what, this is my screwup, I'll take it on. And
they're worried about, you know,entrusting him with something that's important, But
at the same time, you know, you want to let the guy.

(40:00):
He seems capable ish, so youwant to let him try and clean up
his mess if he can. Yeah, So Chu Chu is going to reach
out to what's her name, Capriceand make an appointment to try to well
essentially kill her so that she can'ttalk about what she saw. While that's

(40:22):
happening, Zachariah is rolling up fora meeting with Boyd and Ava's there,
and he and Ava have a sweetmoment. We learn a little bit about
Ava's dad. He died in amine when there was a collapse and they
couldn't get to him for almost aweek, and there's a little bit of

(40:43):
a conversation on that, and youknow, Zachariah sort of analogizes Bowman to
Boyd, and and Ava says,hey, wait, Boyd's nothing like Bowman,
but I'm not sure. Zachariah agrees, and then Ava warns Boyd about
it and says, hey, keepan eye on Zachariah, you know how

(41:06):
he is. And Boyd's like,oh, I can take care of him,
don't worry about him. So Boyd'spretty cavalier about the warnings he receives
from Ava with regard to her uncleZachariah. He is also leaving behind after
his experience where he stumbled across Raylanin Ava's house last night, he thinks
it's time to implement some sort ofmonitoring or security service at Ava's, so

(41:31):
he leaves Earl behind to keep aneye on things at Ava's. And Earl
is listening to his thrash music andheadphones, so I'm not sure he's the
best sort of sentry that you couldhave hired, but you know whatever,
so Earl stays behind. He's notmuch use in a mine. He stays
behind to to keep an eye onthings at Ava's, presumably because Boyd's afraid

(41:54):
Raylan's going to show back up,but who knows what else might happen with
Avery Markham out there and all ofthe nonsense that they're that they're getting up
to, any number of things couldhappen. So uh yeah, So let's
talk about Markham and Catherine for aminute. So we get the scene of
them in their hotel suite and Markhamproposes essentially to Catherine surprise proposal, which

(42:22):
always a great idea, right,guys, if you really want to knock
your lady out of her shoes,give her a surprise proposal, especially early
on in the relationship, like threemonths, four months, five months in
just completely surprise her with a proposalin front if you can do it in

(42:43):
front of her friends and family,even even better I mean strong, Yeah,
I mean you know what, thesetwo are are old enough, and
that's the proposal isn't happening in frontof friends and family, right, So
it's just so there's that, ButI like especially have it memorialized in video,

(43:07):
yes, exactly. Yeah, definitelygo elaborate, like have a have
a what do they call those whatthey call those singing and dance spontaneous singing
and dancing groups in the middle ofoh, like a flash mob, a
flash mob. Yeah, that's whatit is. Ya do a flash mob
or something like, I know we'veonly been on six dates, but I'm
sure anyway, he proposes with yes, you're I know for sure, we're

(43:36):
only twenty two, but we shoulddo this for the rest of our lives.
So so Markham proposes to Catherine withthe ring the size of a tennis
ball. She freaks a little bit, but promises to think about it,
which is never a good answer,right, like, yeah, like I

(43:57):
don't really want to get married,Well, why don't you take the ring
and think about it for a while. Okay, I'll do that. Like
that's like the most desperate sort ofbeta boy behavior. It's very it is
very unmark him, like I think, very much a character. Yeah,
it's kind of like loser behavior,right, it's like Inceel sort of.

(44:19):
Yeah. I mean, you know, like the guy has money. The
guy is he's older, but hestill has money and influence or power.
So it's not like you can't evenhe can meet like women. So Catherine
ail's got the gorilla grip. Apparently, I guess she gets it locked down.

(44:45):
They call her cotton Candy. She'suh yeah, So so making himself
even more of an inceel. Hethen goes on to accuse her of ratting
on Grady, which he says hedoesn't care about. He's like, oh,
yeah, you put her. Ileft because you rad it on Grady,

(45:07):
and you're gonna put me away too, But now that I'm back,
I don't care. It's it's totallyfine. And then he tells her,
as long as you're straight with me, you'll never have cause to worry about
another thing in her life. Andand by the way, let's Catherine Hale
has been straight with anybody ever aboutanything, so apparently not. Yeah,
it's crazy. Crazy you think thatthe strong Jay is so powerful that he

(45:29):
would just like that prevent That's whatI'm saying. Yeah, it's all rational
thought has been blocked down. Imean it is, I guess it is
saying like the you know, likea woman who's whose face launches a thousand
ships, or you know, likesome something similar to that, where the

(45:50):
power is there is in the woman. Yeah, well here we are.
Well so yeah, so that that'swhat's going on with Catherine and Grady.
And Catherine very clearly doesn't want toget married, but you know, she
told him she'd think about it,so the locals find Calhoun's corpse and Raylan's

(46:14):
card. The locals are fantastic inthis episode. I really liked them,
They really are. They're so geekedout by this and like, it's just
so weird what could be going onand requires your card? You know,
trying to find out without asking justblows them off. Oh, he's my
realtor. But the running gag alsoright the way that they say real,

(46:42):
which may not be a thing muchlonger thanks to a class action lawsuit I
heard about that. Yeah, I'mfine following that one pretty closely because I
have the same opinion of realtors thatjustified writers. So then they they tell
they tell Uh, Tim and Uhand Raylan that the victim, Calhoun was

(47:08):
punched to debt to death basically,and they tell him it was one shot.
You can still see the knuckle printson his on his face from the
bruising and uh and so they immediatelysuspect to Choo Choo because there's not many
people walking around Harlan County who arestrong enough to literally murder a man with

(47:28):
one punch. Yeah, So theygo visit Markham looking for Choo Choo and
Uh Markham's you know, interested tosee them. I have a clip of
this. Uh, but they're breakingthe news that Calhoun is dead. Now
remember this happened the night before,and uh, all the guys are there
at the bar talking about this,or you know, could be talking about

(47:51):
this. But Markham comes out andhe doesn't know yet. So I have
a clip of that. Deppity UsMarshall Gibbons and it's sidekick. I suppose
it's too much to hope. You'rehere to say you have reconsidered my offer,
getting anybodys ms mc cready to dothe same. Gread not just a

(48:13):
social call. Yeah, people willsay we're in love. Actually we're here
to talk to you about a murder. Did you excuse us a moment,
darling? And who am I supposedto have killed? Well, we've heard
that'd be quite a list. Youdon't mind, We'll just focus on the

(48:34):
last twenty four hours. Calhoun Shrier, that's my realtor was mine too,
as it happens, just we're bothin the market for someone new. I
assure your deputy of somebody killed oldCalhoun. This is the first time I'm
hearing of it. Say, Idon't see my man too too. He

(48:55):
ain't dodging me, is he He'sout? Yeah, we go look round
back. We're not going to findhim trying to hide behind a coat wreck
choos. You don't need to hidefrom you. You want to take him
on. You're best calling an airstrike. You know where I think you went
wrong. He heard a bunch ofmertz because they looked the ship in jungle
fatigues. Turns out they know killing, but they don't know crime. You

(49:19):
see you too, She'd be intouch silver lining. You keep that card
on you. Cops ever find youburied in the shallow grave, they know
to give us a call. Andthat fantastic. That moment is our Kentucky
Fried wisdom moment of the week.You cover about as much as a flapper

(49:39):
stood in a high wind attention board. Look at me when I'm talking to
you, Look, Sister's any ofthis filtering through that little blue BoNT of
the yours pay attentions. I'm lookingat me when I'm talking. I wonder
if Tim decided to say that afterhe was called the sidekick or before.
That's what I wanted to I know, because he's always going to pay second

(50:04):
fiddle yeah, yeah, I do. Is that the line delivery from Markham
there is so good too. It'sDeputy us Marshall Givens and his sidekick.
It's so perfect. I do thinkthat the best the best line out of
that whole sequence is the you know, you guys end up knowing a killing
but don't know crime, right,Oh yeah, yeah, that's and and

(50:29):
I think there's a little bit ofa mistake there with Raylan commenting on jungle
fatigues. These guys would have definitelybeen in desert fatigues. But yeah,
but beyond that, he's absolutely right. Yeah. I mean, if it
wasn't the like in the seventies,we would have been like, you know,
like the Vietnam Oh yeah, yeah, absolutely yeah, back when Elmore

(50:51):
was churning out novels, that wouldhave absolutely been jungle fatigues. So yeah,
yeah, uh oh and uh andand you know you think about this,
you think about, Okay, yeah, there's these guys no killing,
but they don't know crime. Andyou see that that leads immediately to the
bringing in of Boone in in thenext episode and or is it the next

(51:13):
episode of the episode after I don'tremember, but but yeah, so you
start to figure out, Okay,Calhoun or Markham is changing up his strategy
here. He's going to get peoplewho know crime better than killing yea too.
And I think we find out maybeit's this, Maybe it's the next
one where they're talking about how manybecause they've they've killed a lot of people

(51:34):
like that. They were the conversationthat they had, Yeah, next s
it was. It was in thisone where they they he brought it up
while they were standing there over markor over Calhoun's body. They were like,
oh, that's right, Yeah,how many guys do you think we've
killed? How many killed? Well, that's it, and there's the sea
or the seal. That's the sealsnow like two and fifty, but with

(51:57):
a grain of sult since he's aseal. Yeah that's right, that's right.
That's like that one. Like toknow, that's what I want to
know. I still want to knowhim, any I know, Yeah,
that might be the guy they weretalking about. Like, I don't know
if one of those guys one ofthe movies we were talking about was an
actual seal or not, but itcould have been that guy who was talking

(52:22):
about but yeah, it was anAmerican Sniper. Right, we were talking
about not doing it again. Wegot you, Chris Kyle. Every episode
that's already gag. Yeah, we'regonna have print t shirts just like American

(52:47):
Sniper crossed out and Shooter written in. Uh. Yeah. So while all
this is happening, they're looking forCheo Chuo. Chu Chuo goes and picks
up the hooker. Turns out she'sactually a nice girl. She's sweet to

(53:07):
him. She asks him questions andis actually seemingly interested in the answers and
uh, and cheet Choo changes hismind and decides maybe he doesn't want to
kill her and uh. While Markhamand Walker are discussing the Chue Choo problem,
you know, Markham basically says,hey, you got to kill him.

(53:28):
Walker says, no, I'm notgoing to kill him. We were
in the sandbox together, blah blahblah. And then Choo Choo calls and
says, hey, I think Ithink I figured out the way to proceed
without killing her, and Walker's like, okay, you know, he just
used the weak link, makes thewhole chain week argument on me, but
you just kind of reinforced it,So I guess I gotta kill you.

(53:49):
Now, so I ask him wherehe is and goes out to meet him
to discuss whether or not they're goingto kill the hooker in person. So
Boyd is climbing down into a mineshaft. Now, so I found this
again one of the more unrealistic thingsthat I've seen portrayed unsified is this mine

(54:14):
and the work that they're doing inthe mine. Yeah, first of all,
like there's way too much space downthere. It's like a Jack Bauer
air duct in that mine. Likeit's way too it feels way too open.
And then and then secondly, theygo down the ladder to get down
into the mine, and then they'reimmediately talking about how deep they are.

(54:35):
It's been a while since I've beenthis deep. Well, it looked like
they went down about twelve feet ona ladder, like they weren't tired at
all coming down. Like if youclimb a ladder down three hundred feet,
you're gonna be not only you're goingto be exhausted, you're going to be
you know, like petrified getting offthat ladder, but also how is the
ladder still there and functional? Andeverything? The mining stuff to me is

(54:59):
it's it's a good storyline. Ienjoy it, but you know, like
there's that scene where they're drilling intothe ceiling or whatever, and nothing's happening,
Like there's no pieces of debris fallingdown around them or anything like that.
It's like, this is not realisticat all. What are they doing
to see why they started doing thetype of minding where you're just blowing stuff

(55:19):
up. Of course, yeah,destroys the environment, but this seems like
an awful lot of work. Soso they talk about firearm usage as it
relates to chupacabras and and Zachariah basicallyestablishes a rule that you're not allowed to

(55:42):
shoot guns in the mine because there'sa methane and caucus of gases that could
explode and roast them all. Andthey both mentioned chupacabras. Apparently I didn't
look this up, but I'm bettingthat's like a sort of a mine thing.
Like the miner guys ras themselves aboutchupacabras in the dark or whatever.
You know what a cube of cobrais like a it's like a Mexican like

(56:02):
a goat thing. Yeah, it'slike it's sort of like the it's like
a little mini uh Bigfoot, butin Mexico and it kills livestock. Yeah
yeah, it's my favorite. II like that that. Just the word
cubicamra is just it's a really goodword. Yeah yeah. So uh yeah,

(56:29):
and so they they talk about chubof cobras a couple of times.
Uh. And then Boyd the Pigand Zacharia go down in the mine while
Carl stays guard at the entrance becausehe's freaking out about being down in the
mine. So he's not going tobe much use. Let's see what else.

(56:52):
Uh. Oh Art pays a visitto the Marshall's office and he wants
to discuss Catherine Hale with and we'llhear why something about Raylan? Why No,
as it happens, wasn't the hailtask for us one of the first
jobs you worked first? Big one? Anyway, twenty one year old girl

(57:12):
fresh out of glen Coe, doyou happen to have an idea who the
US attorneys snitch might have been?Snitch? That case was made on wire
taps. The whole reason why theycouldn't get captain was because she never talked
on the phone. Yeah, Iknow, there wasn't ever an official ci.
But Pool always hinted that he hadan inside man. Didn't you tell

(57:37):
me you'd never end up being oneof those old lawmen who spent his golden
years obsessed with his old cases.All right, First of all, let's
watch it with the golden years shit. Second of all, this is just
an old case. It's not myold case. It's just an old case.
And third, sometimes a man's justgot to find a way to get
out of the house. Could ithave been Markham? That makes sense?

(58:00):
Turns out he was making time withCatherine still is as a matter of fact?
Or is again? That is?If I can trust our ci o
me? God, damn, whatdo you mean trust your ci? Is
Ava doing something that makes you nottrust her? I think she tried to
run yesterday. That or she andRaylan are back sleeping together or both?

(58:22):
How sure are you of that?Movement on their phones indicates she ran and
he brought her back. What adumbass? He wants some advice? Figure,
Since you're already here, bring Raylanin and see if you can confirm

(58:44):
what your gut is killing you.And if you can, if I can,
I'll have to pull'em. MaybeProbably what you mean terminating Ava as
a CI, which means we're startingthis case over from scratch. Is that
what you'd do, You'd let itgo when was the case, just to

(59:08):
save your own ass. What Ithink is really interesting here is this is
happening. They're having this conversation atthe same time that Eva is, you
know, doing what Raylan calls gettingher junior g man badge, trying to
extract information from Earl on what Boydis doing and where he is and then

(59:30):
relay that information to Raylan with Earlthere, which is incredibly dangerous and kind
of dominant to do. Yeah.Yeah, So she's actually giving, like
trying to do with the what she'sbeen tasked by the by the marshals,
and it's and she's basically they're questioningher exactly. Yeah. Yeah, she's

(59:51):
she's thrown herself into this and acceleratedit to the point where she wants a
resolution on this stuff and she's tryingto move it along fast, and the
marshals are like, hey, hey, slow down there, lady. So
yeah, so it's it's it's aninteresting little dichotomy of like, you know,
hey, we can't trust her,and on the other hand, she's
trying to give us everything she has. So yeah, right, so let's

(01:00:19):
uh, let's break this out thenfor the rest of the episode, We'll
have a couple of little storylines tofollow. Here. We have the the
boyd Ava storyline and the Walker storyline. So let's play out the Let's play
out the boyd Ava storyline here first. So, as we said, Ava

(01:00:40):
was using her feminine wiles to tryto distract Earl to get information out and
then relay that information to to Raylan. Boyd and the crew are digging into
the ceiling of the mine. WhenBoyd is there moving something at Zachariah's kind
of request, he move something andfalls through some some rotted floor boards and

(01:01:05):
almost dies. I mean, he'sbalanced essentially on the shard of a board
that happened to, you know,get angled in just the right way to
support his weight. And they managedto pull them out of there, pull
him out of that hole. Andand and Zachariah and the Pig, which
I think there's two things about that. I think first, I think it's

(01:01:25):
Zachary and the Pig's a cool bandname, But I think it's actually a
better album name than a band name. I don't know zach Ary and the
Pig, Zachary and the Pig,zach Aryan the Pig Tour. Yeah yeah,
yeah, December twenty twenty five.Yeah, exactly. I think that
sounds it's the Zacharie and the PigTour. That's that's pretty good. I

(01:01:46):
like it. But Boyd basically hegets pulled out of that hole and he
decides he's got enough mining for oneday, which what a way to go
to you. At least you don'thave to think about it very long,
I guess. But like dad,you know, oh yeah, that would

(01:02:07):
be awful being trapped in dark likethat, no way, yeah, yeah,
yeah, and yeah. So Boydleaves, goes back out and z
and the pig. Zachary and thepig are are working when when the pig
notices that the boards that gave awaywere actually cut, they weren't rotted,

(01:02:30):
and Zachariah goes, oh, it'sa shame he notice that and pushes him
into the pit and kills him,so rather unceremonious ending for the pig,
and Raley calls it in as anaccident. So we know Zacharia is treacherous
and that he's trying to kill Boyd. Boyd does not know that at this

(01:02:51):
point, though, so despite Ava'swarnings to the contrary, and he returns
home finds Ava listening to earth Earl'smusic and actually prefers that to finding her
with Raylan, which I thought waspretty funny. But while he's there,

(01:03:12):
right after he gets home and itwas making dinner, he gets a call
on a cell phone and I havethat call. Now, imagine you recognized
his voice. But listen, youalone, I'll advise you not to say
my name. Well, considering whathappened last time I saw you, you
really think you're in a position toask me for a favor? Oh hell,
I'm not asking anything. I'm offeringoffering what information. Well, I

(01:03:44):
guess that shouldn't come as a shock. How much you're charging for it?
Not a thing. I'm just hopingyou'll see it as the kind of a
good faith gesture to mark a newbeginning for our beautiful friendship. That's pretty
high, mar I can't think ofanything I need to know bad enough to
want clear it. Well, thatcould be on account of his head.

(01:04:08):
Is what the man would call it? An unknown unknown, something you don't
even know, you don't know inthat case, I await my enlightenment.
They would tell you anything about whatshe got up to yesterday. I just
love Limehouse so much. She's justthe best. Mike Kelthy Williamson is fantastic

(01:04:30):
in that role. I just thebest. I love every moment that Limehouse
is on the screen. He's perfectin that role. Yeah yeah. And
the phrasing of what the man wouldcall an unknown unknown just just tickles me
just right too. I love thatkind of writing. I uh yeah,

(01:04:50):
so so uh. Limehouse is goingto tell Boyd about Ava's little adventure attempting
to get the hell ou out oftown in the hopes that that's going to
make him a friend in Boyd becausehe's betting on Boyd being the eventual winner
here. So so yeah, that'sit's going to be interesting to see how

(01:05:12):
that plays out. If we remember, the last time Boyd saw Limehouse was
at the end of season four,the Drew Thompson situation, when Boyd I
believe or Ava was taken hostage byOh that's right, by by a Limehouse
and Boyd had to pay three hundredthousand dollars to get her back. Deals

(01:05:39):
changed constantly, that's right, PrayI do not change it to get okay.
So that's what happens with Boyd andAva and the gang. Let's talk
about Markham and Walker. So wetalked about how Raylan kind of threw a
through a grenade in the middle ofthe group and announced that Calhoun had been

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murdered and that chou Chu was sortof their prime suspect for it, with
the intent of knowing that Markham andWalker are going to kind of take care
of their choo choo problem. Andwe see a little scene with with Tim
and Raylan where Tim or where Raylansays wonderful things can happen when you sow
seeds of distrust in a garden ofassholes. And Tim's like, hey,

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you're gonna need to say that's slowerso I can write it down. And
he asked him if he just cameup with that, and Raylan says,
I read that somewhere. And thatis, of course a direct quote from
an Elmore Leonard novel. It's fromthe novel Glitz, which is an Elmore

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Leonard novel about Detective Vincent Mora inMiami. And it's a typical, typical
Almore Leonard thing, right, It'she gets there's a criminal gets put away
and this one's a little litle bitgraphic. He gets put away for raping
a senior citizen, and he wantsto he wants to hit. He wants

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to get back at the quarterback orat the quarterback. He wants to get
back at the detective before he killshim. And so he kills his special
friend Hooker and gets him to showup to investigate the death. And basically
that's what the story is about,right. The various that was also again

(01:07:30):
just all of the weird little connectionsalso made into a film in nineteen eighty
eight, like basically all of ElmoreLeonard's books made into a movie. Vincent
Mora was played by Jimmy Smiths andJimmy Smith Yeah that's right, Well wait
until you hear the next one.And Linda Moon, who is his lounge

(01:07:55):
singer girlfriend during who becomes his girlfriendduring the story, is played by Marque
Post. Oh wow, man,I had such a crush on her way
back in the day. Christine Sullivan, Oh man, hot hot h.
Yeah, I was. I wasa little young to appreciate her at the
time. I would have been sixwhen Night Court started airing. But speaking

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of which, did you know thatthey did they rebooted that thing? Yeah,
yea, yeah, okay, Iknew that it did not do well.
No, no, because it wasthe Lady from uh maybe Big Bang
Theory, I think, yeah,whas that plays the judge like the son
of Judge Harry. Yeah. Well, and and they remade Fraser. They

(01:08:44):
rebooted Fraser. I don't know ifyou've seen that. Oh I saw that
too. Yeah, with his hisadult now adult son, and he's living
I think living with him sort oflike his dad was living with him and
Seattle. And yeah, so it'salso not gotten great reviews. So well,
listen to earlier where you explained whyYeah, exactly. Yeah, it's

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just you know, people watch it, right yeah. Yeah, so yeah.
Glitz Elmore Leonard novel. That's onethat I have not read myself.
Does it take place in the sameuniverse as yes, as justified Like,
yeah, I mean, loosely speaking, it does. It takes place in
the same universe as as all ofElmore Leonards kind of books. They all

(01:09:28):
take place in sort of the sameuniverse. Some of them have overlapping characters.
I don't recognize any of the charactershere in this list as characters that
recur in any of the other novels. But yeah, it's it's it's look
and feel wise, it's basically thesame thing. Yeah, yeah. And
Stephen King apparently loves the book.He compared it favorably in a review he

(01:09:54):
wrote in The New York Times innineteen eighty five. He compared it favorably
with works by Raymond Chan and DashallHammett and John McDonald. So, and
and that's about right right, That'swhere I would put Almore Leonard for sure.
Yeah, that list, so yeah, uh yeah, So that's from
that. So we heard that Walkeris going to go out and track down

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shoot Choo, and he shows upwith the night shift because it's day so
they don't have to guard the vault. It's a scene at the beginning where
they're like, who's guarding the vault? Well, it's night so the night
shift is guarding the vault. Andthis time he shows up with the night
shift during the day to take careof the Choo Choo problem, and uh

(01:10:40):
and tells Choo Choo to kill thehooker the prostitute Caprice tells her tells him
to kill her like you were orderedto. And that's when Raylan and Tim
step out of the shadows, havingfollowed them from the portal, and say
that's something that could be taken outof context and an attempt to arrest.

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There are four of them and twoof Raylan and Tim. Who knows why
they didn't call backup, especially whenhe saw Walker leave the pizza portal with
two other guys. They should havecalled for backup at that point, I
would think there's a shootout. Walkertakes at least one bullet and drives away.
Choo Choo takes a couple of bullets, a few potentially even and drives

(01:11:28):
away. He also drives away again. This control of the scene not super
great with Raylan and Tim here,but so Walker and cheot Choo both drive
away. I don't know what happenedto the night Shift. I don't I
never saw what happened to them,if they're dead or alive or not.
But we then see that the Marshallsare looking for Walker, Choo Choo,

(01:11:51):
and Sea Bass because Sea Bass tookoff two when he heard what was going
on, and Rachel has ordered fiftyout of town or Marshals in for help
from Cincinnati. Which feels like alittle bit of overkill. Would you even

(01:12:11):
think that there'd be fifty marshals inCincinnati? No, that seems like a
huge number for the Marshal Service.But I don't know, I don't know
how many people there are in themarshall Service today. I wonder, I
bet how many would you say thereare in Cincinnati or how many how many
marshals and how many marshals in generalwould you say there are? Oh,

(01:12:33):
that's a good question. What maybefour thousand? Actually, yeah, it's
four thousand deputy US marshals and criminalinvestigators, and then there's one chief deputy
chief chief marshal for each of theninety four judicial districts, of course.
But yeah, sorry, go ahead. I was just gonna say that they

(01:12:57):
always recruit the help. The FEDSalways recruit the heilp the locals. That's
what they always do. Yeah,they always apply. Yeah, they just
don't have the they don't have theman power they so they send them.
You know. It's like it's likethe the infantry, Right, you send
the infantry and make sure that's everybody'swell disarmed, and then you come and
clean up. That's right. Comeon, Yeah, sending the locals.

(01:13:25):
God you always see you know,because I like kind of like goofy got
the well I should say I hatelong for us, but I just like
the way that they'll always swoop it. And have you ever seen that video
I'm not afraid to say it.Have you ever seen that video of the

(01:13:45):
kid who was missing, like yougot lost in the woods or whatever,
and then it wasn't the police whofound them, but it was like the
like volunteers who found the kid andand then I, oh, let's bring
you home, like it was thepolice. Oh we've got it. Yeah,
yeah, we found you know,just like go on. It's obviously

(01:14:05):
shocking president and arrest him and cuffsthrow in the back of the car and
then shoots the dog. Yeah exactly. Was that the one whe where the
dog protected her or whatever and thedog and all that, okay, yeah,
and you can see like there's abody cam footage or whatever. Yeah
I'm getting mistaken, but you knowwho knows. But yeah, I always

(01:14:29):
think that's kind of funny, andit makes sense, right because there's always
the inner service or inner agency rivalriesof people who get to like try to
take credit for whatever when they getif they ever get a win. That's
the way I see it as faras like you know, like all these
like these agencies are all competing foroh yeah, yeah, yeah, because
it determines your funding eventually too well. And if you're the marshals or local

(01:14:55):
law enforcement, you're seizing assets ona regular basis too. How much do
you think is currently in the possessionof the US Marshall Service in terms of
assets? Oh god, I wouldn'teven know, huh, Like right now
as we speak, currently in theirpossession, it has to be in the

(01:15:18):
millions of dollars, right, hundredsof millions maybe, keep going, I
give up. How many three pointsixty seven billion dollars in assets currently in
the hands of the United States MarshallService from civil asset forfeiture. That's such
a that's crazy. Of that threepoint sixty seven billion, five hundred million

(01:15:42):
was distributed to victims of crime andclaimants, and two hundred and twenty eight
million was shared with participating state andlocal law enforcement agencies. Wow. I
remember looking up like civil asset forfeiturehere in Las Vegas, because a Las
Vegas metro you know they'll they'll dothat, right, And I think the

(01:16:04):
number was like under one thousand dollarsis what they sees, oh, really
like when they arrest somebody or youknow, like for like drug crime or
whatever. So it's it's it's Idon't know what it is like. Uh,
you know, I don't think it'salways mansions are mostly mentioned. I
think it's just like, yeah,it's like three hundred bucks in cash or
you know, twenty four dollars insingles, right, because yeah, that's

(01:16:26):
what they managed to get together tobuy their next score. Yeah, exactly,
exactly. So I don't know howthat transfers to the Marshalls. I
would imagine it's very similar. It'sactually not. So the number of assets
that they have on hand is twentysix seven and thirty four So if you
do the math on that, ifit's three point sixty seven billion, so

(01:16:49):
you're talking about big scores that yeah, you're talking about some seriously valuable stuff.
Yeah. Well, I guess that'sthe difference between say that the Marshals
exactly, the Marshall. The localsare seizing that nineteen ninety seven Honda Civic
the guy's driving around. The Marshallsdon't care about that. Yeah. Yeah,

(01:17:15):
So yeah, so they call infifty out of towners and uh,
and we get the clip of Rachelsort of making the decision to uh to
look the other way on Ava runningand rail and bringing her back. She
makes that decision to take the paththat Art would take instead of the uh,
the the appropriate path or the thecorrect path, So I guess would

(01:17:35):
be the way to say that,by the book path, by the book
path. Yeah, yeah, shedecides not to take that, and and
look Ava. You know, Ava'sdoing a good job right now, so
we'll see if that holds up.But Choo choo chee choo rip to cheo
choo. In this episode, heuh, he dies in the car on

(01:17:55):
the tracks. So he's driving hiscar and it stalls out on the train
tracks and there's a train coming andso, you know, defying your expectation,
you expect the train to just takeout his little pinto whenever he's driving,
and the train stops just short ofhitting him, but he's already dead
by the time it gets there anyway, So it's quite the little you know,

(01:18:17):
play with your head moment from thefrom the writers. I like that,
Yeah, I like that a lot, just because it's have you seen.
You've seen videos of these people likeI think, oh yeah, speaking
of the cops, remember that,remember that video of the police officer stopped
and has stuck up purp in theback seat of her cruiser and it was

(01:18:39):
a female. I'm pretty sure ranaway with the woman in her car when
the track on the train. Whenthe train came, she is no longer
a police officer. Oh god,well, I guess there is some justice
in the world. I suppose.I believe she was also found guilty of
a crume. I think she's gonnaget I think she got ten years.

(01:19:00):
Oh reallyeah, I think she gotten years. I think that's what I
remember reading and maybe confusing it witha different case. But I'm pretty sure
she got ten years, and there'sprobably going to be a giant civil settlement.
But the problem with the civil settlementsis those come out of taxpayer dollars.
Right, It's not like that coploses is not like she loses her
pension or whatever. It's coming outof taxpayer dollars. So yeah, problematic

(01:19:27):
anyway. But hilariously, yeah,the train stops short of hitting him.
I looked up some information on trainsbecause I was like, oh, yeah,
I've always heard the thing, Ohit takes a train like three miles
to stop and all that, Right, I wanted to know how accurate that
was. It actually is pretty accurate. So a train traveling at fifty five
miles an hour, a freight traintraveling at fifty five miles an hour,

(01:19:48):
whether that's about a mile and aquarter or a mile and a half in
length, is going to take abouta mile to a mile and a half
to stop. So it's basically atfifty five however long the train is,
that's basically how long it takes itto stop. Yeah, the speed limit
is for freight trains is seventy milesper hour with advanced tech and forty nine

(01:20:11):
miles an hour without. But eitherway, there's no way that train stops
before hitting Chu Chu unless it wasalready stopping before it got there. Like,
well, it didn't seem like itwas going very fast anyway, right
right, It could have been justgetting up to speed maybe or something.
There were two engineers in the engineeringcompartment, which is unusual. Also,
I think, so, yeah,who knows, who knows? But I

(01:20:33):
don't think I don't. I thinkit's a little exaggerated. A little unrealistic
that that train stopped, But Ido love it from a writing perspective.
Yeah, very good way to playwith your expectations. Right, You're expecting
the irony of chu Chuo being killedby a train, and instead he just
dies a violent death from gunshot wounds, which is kind of appropriate actually to
think about it. All Right,let's see, do I have anything else

(01:20:59):
in my list here? I donot. Oh, Chooch is apparently short
for chu Chuo. I never wouldhave. He calls him chuch a couple
of times in this episode, andI thought that was interesting. But okay,
Walker Walker calls him chooch. God, every time you say Walker,
I think in my mind, Iit goes Walker Texas Ranger afterwards. Is

(01:21:19):
that such a random thing? Youknow what I'm talking about? Like I
do? Yeah, of course,Chuck Norris and hey, hang on,
let me check also remade? Wasit really? Yeah? Yeah, that's
awesome. It's the guy. Uhhang on here while you're while you're looking

(01:21:41):
at ahead, I was gonna sayit's I. It looks like it's it's
a guy, the guy from whatwas that TV show? Uh? Oh?
God? Well, why why you'reJared Oh from a supernatural. Yeah,
supernatural, that's just what I wasthinking. Yeah, all right,

(01:22:02):
well there you go on Thursday CWexactly. All right, Well that's anything
else. I don't think I haveanything else. Yeah, all right,
let's get like stretching it. Let'sget to our last segment here, just
telling my friends this morning, nowyesterday, come to me, and if

(01:22:25):
you don't get out of town intwenty four hours, I'm gonna shoot you
one site. Are you gonna shootthem? I'll get for you before you
even clear your weapons, and I'lltake my chances with the other you get
the chance, I'll pull my sidear unless I'm going to shoot to kill?
Are you gonna shoot him? ToRaylan? And kind of a slushpot

(01:22:45):
of an action scene. So I'minterested to hear what comes out of that.
Well I got so confused, right, So I actually did have to
look it up, and Raylan actuallydid shoot somebody who was one of the
one of the henchmen at that Ohokay, so the night to one of
the night shift guys. Yeah yeah, and then uh no that was the
muscle. Well was that is thatthe same guy? I think? So?

(01:23:06):
Yeah, I made the connection thatthose two guys were the the remaining
two guys that were part of thefive man crew. Because there were some
shifts and they had sleeping bags andall that stuff. That was that was
a sort of that was that wasthe connection that I made. It might
not be the case, but Ithink it is because he doesn't have any
of those marks after this. Sooh that's right. Yeah, oh yeah,

(01:23:28):
because yeah, gotcha. Okay,So Raylan did shoot somebody, and
that's the first time. I thinkthat's the first time this whole season.
Is that right? It is?Yeah, it is, so yeah,
I think it might be the firsttime he fired his weapon the whole season.
Actually, I think you might beright about that too, although even
we know that Rayland doesn't miss whenhe shoots. So I do like actually,

(01:23:50):
now that I think about it,I do like that the kind of
symmetry that they had with the youknow, when they were at Ava's house
and they were like they made amatch and oh the last time we were
at Ave's house. Yeah, forthe first season or whatever it was,
it was fried chicken. Yeah thatwas How did they how did they put
that? Uh, it might notpoint said something about it might not end

(01:24:14):
the same way and rail and saidit definitely wouldn't that's something very similar to
that. Yeah, very threatening inboth days. It's great. Yeah,
yeah, so that that was reallygood. Let's see what else I have
here? And then uh, andthen Tim actually has a body on him
now too, okay, because heuh, he shot the other henchman who

(01:24:36):
I think he fell down the downthe hill because they were walking up a
hill. He fell down behind bythe car, I guess. And who
got shoot here? I mean Ithink both of them did, right,
Yeah? Yeah, yeah, Ithink they both like try because Tim got
through the window of the car orwhatever. Yeah. Yeah, well,

(01:24:58):
you know how how I don't knowexactly how you would feel if you were
like shooting this guy the guy doesnot go down. Oh, terrifying would
be the word I would use.I know, I'm watching this guy just
take bullets and he's fine. It'slike, yeah, maybe I should have
got it an airstrike. Can weget a helicopter in here? Please?
A gunship? God? Yeah,I think I sent you that video.

(01:25:23):
Do you ever like I you sawthat video where I said to you it
was like a real life like asheriff for somebody who was like like shooting,
trying to shoot this guy. Theguy would not go down in real
life. Oh you remember that?Yeah? I do, Oh my god.
Yeah, that's like, you know, if they're energized on PCP or
whatever or just not feeling any pain, you'd never know. And adrenaline,

(01:25:44):
you never know what adrenaline can do. And yeah, yeah, anyway,
anyway, that was those were thefour people or four bodies this episode.
So and Walker took a bullet,but he's not dead. He's not dead.
He's on the run. He's afugitive. Yep. All right,
Well that'll about do it for thisepisode. Then, like I said earlier,

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