S06E07 - The Hunt

Time for a trip back to Bulletville!

Join Chris and Randy this week for a look at Season 6, Episode 7(!) of Justified, "The Hunt." On this episode of Groundless, your hosts: realize exactly how terrible Winona is as a partner, provide our often requested opinions on Daylight Saving Time, learn who Eric Frein was and why it's relevant to this episode of Justified, admire the depth of acting work done by Walton Goggins and Joelle Carter, and fulfill our quota of abortion and dead baby jokes thanks to a hysterical Willa.

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Episode Transcript

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Rolling down the bull of button speed, a bowl cold there like a tail,
all light tornado ring you promised,Sol can swear one hand on the
glass pie, he hover on,he devil riding shot gun singing, boy

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Let's make a deal. This isGroundless a Justified podcast. This is a
podcast where we watch every episode ofJustified and then come on here and talk
about it. I'm Chris, thatman is Randy God. Boyd was just
chewing up the scenery. I guesshas just chewing up the scenery in this

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episode. Absolutely is some great momentsfrom Boyd, and that's I've I've kind
of broken up the discussion this weekendplot segment because I think trying to follow
the chronology the episode is impossible.But yeah, but breaking it down into
plot segments does work. So yeah, we're here to discuss season six,

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episode seven. This is the thisis what the Daylight Savings Time or daylight
Saving Time or standard time hangover editionof the Justified or the Groundless podcast.
I am operating at about sixty percentcapacity right now. I think they really
need to get rid of it.Seriously, it's just messes up. I
forgotten the study ice. It waslike an article talking about how many more

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accidents are caused. Oh yeah,yeah, yeah, yeah, because now
like in San Diego, at leastnow, when you're driving home from work,
the sun's right in your face,and in a month from now,
it'll just be dark. And it'syeah, it's just yeah, no good,
no good. And what we've we'vepassed laws and propositions and everything else

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to get rid of it. Andwhat is the what have our politicians done?
Ignored us, entirely ignored us,tells you who they actually work for.
Yeah, you vote, knock thevovers, but yeah, we're here.
Season six, episode seven, TheHunt. This episode originally aired March

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third, two thy fifteen, andour synopsis This week, a visit from
his baby daughter threatens to pull Raylanaway. Oh I think we did.
I lose you there for a second. I can hear you. Okay,
I got a message that it disconnected, but all right, we'll try that
again. A visit from his babydaughter threatens to pull Raylan away from the
hunt for a dangerous fugitive boyd,having learned that Ava has been lying to

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him, takes her on a huntingtrip that she may never come back from.
I feel like that's a spoiler,like if that was the original episode
description, like I think that thatshouldn't be there. I mean, yeah,
the last end of the last episodewas we saw Boyd on the phone
with Limehouse, and we don't knowexactly what Limehouse told him, but now

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we do. So this episode writtenby Taylor Elmore and Keith Schreier, both
people we've heard of heard from before, uh, and then directed by John
Dall, who does one episode ofseason so this is his last last episode
of Justified. Here no guest starsthis week. We've pretty much covered pretty

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much everybody. We've got a fewmore that will that will hit on as
the as the last few episodes,UH play out. But we've gotten everybody
in Markham's gang, We've gotten prettymuch everybody in Boyd's gang. So we're
we're covered on guest stars, andthere's too much going on this week in
this episode for for us to bedistracted by guest stars. I guess you
could called Natalie z a guest starin this episode at this point. Yeah

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she is. Yeah, you know, it's because like we're episode seven,
so we're halfway more more than halfway, I guess, right, right,
six episodes left, Yeah, andthere's no breaks between now this this episode
represents the point at which there isno more breaking, like there's no more
it's all action all the time betweennow and the end of the season,

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and no time to take a deepbreath. Yep yep. So all right,
well that gets us through our episodebasics. Whtweans it's time to jump
quickly into the DeLorean and take aquick trip back to the week of March
third, twenty fifteen and to whatwas going on in pulp culture. Are
you telling me you built a timemachine kind of a delaureate. Our number

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one movie this week is a newone, so you'll remember Fifty Shades of
Gray. It was the last bigmovie. This one is Focus. It's
Will Smith and Margot Robbie. Now, I haven't seen this movie, but
I know it's about a con man. I know he's a con man and
she's a con woman, I think, and there's like, yeah, you
know, a romantic subplot. I'msure I can only imagine. I wonder

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if she, you know, justbangs his friends and tells everybody about it.
No, remember when like that Barbiemovie came out and people are calling
Bargo Robbie mid Like no, peoplewere calling her mid Yeah, like damn

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stupid gen Z Jen Alpha people,they don't know anything mid. Yeah,
this is crazy ten an absolute tenlike yeah, consensus ten. She's a
consensus ten. Yeah, that's that'sour Yeah, Like she's like Jessica Alba
circa twenty eleven or something, Jessicatwo thousand and two. Has you been

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around that long? Yes? Iknow that because one of the guys we
used to work with was obsessed withher. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah
that was that was two thousand andone, two thousand and two. Yeah,
that's right. Yeah. So yeah, that movie hauled in a big

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whopping twenty four million this week intwenty fifteen to uh to lead the box
office. So not a great weekfor cinemas the week of March third,
twenty fifteen. Yeah, you know, because Will Smith is still like back
then, that was he was stillout there. So he did the he
did the Concussion movie around that time, He did the uh, the guy

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donating his Organs movie around that time. I mean he was he got nominated
for an Oscar I think right aroundthat time. Yeah, I'm pretty sure,
because he did the one with thosekids with a kid, right no,
not just trying the one I knowthat is Homeless or whatever. Yeah,
yeah, him and yeah, soI think he got nominated for that

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movie. You know he's yeah,he's he was, he was making really
good serious movies. Yeah, whenhe was the Caddy, the Black Caddie.
Oh well, that's that's different.I'm not going to use the word.
It just starts with magic and yeah, that's shameful. Actually that movie.

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I can't even think of any likeI've seen what Men in Black.
I can't think of any Will Smithmovies off the top of my head that
I've actually watched through Independence Day,Independence Day, Yeah, and the second
last in the second that's true?Is there any o there was? I

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don't know. I just Wild West. Oh yeah, but that wasn't that
wasn't that great a movie though?But that that's almahyak hot. Yeah,
she's magnificent. Still is still isshe's she's very obvious, drinking the blood
of infants at whatever fifty eight orwhatever, looking like she does ridiculous Bad

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Boys, Bad Boy. Yeah,that's a trilogy too, and I just
love that so dumb. You know, I tell you about the about the
cab driver in Miami I went towhen I went to Miami last year,
the cab driver was talking about likeall the all the crime and drugs in
Miami or whatever because we had totake a we had to take a car

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from the Fort Waterdale Airport to MiamiBeach because it was it's like a forty
five minute drive, and he's talkingabout it, like, oh, yeah,
you know what, I remember,I watched this documentary about crime in
Miami. I think it was calledBad Boys. He called it a document

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Guy, that's fantastic. The guystarts cracking off. I thought that was
pretty funny. That's pretty good.That's I can't think of any other.
Yeah, I'm looking at it asa filmography. I'm like, ehh,
I robot, I am legend andthat movie sucked. I am legend also

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sucked. I don't know. I'myeah, I'm I'm more content to make
fun of him now for being aweird cock than I am for anything else.
Like, oh god, that's Ifeel I actually have, Like I'm
kind of I have a little sympathyfor him, but you know I do
too. But at some point,you gotta you know, yeah, you

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gotta nut up or shut up.I think is the saying right, like
you cannot just let your your wife, who's not even really your wife,
like she's she's out there saying allthis stuff without anyone saying anything else,
which is very strange. Right,He's totally strange, just airing all the
dirty laundry in public, like justmaking him look like I don't know,

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maybe he's in maybe that's what he'sinto. Maybe he's like a humiliation guy
or whatever. Yeah, maybe notthat before we came on here, but
speaking, I mean, that couldbe what's going on there, But I
don't know. That was Focus numberone movie in March third, twenty fifteen.
I might check that one out.I actually might check that one out.
I do like that Marco Ropie.I think she's Yeah, she's a

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really good actress too. He's agood actress, really good. Yeah.
I like her In the Quentin Tarantinomovie, Yeah, yep, or she
was Sharon Tate. Yeah, itwas great and she played she played a
great a very convincing. I thinkSharon Tate because she was in their fake
movie of that Sharon Tate was intoso yeah, that's right, that's right.

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And then of course we got thescene with Quentin and her feet in
the movie theater of course. Ofcourse. Yeah. I like the way
that he portrayed, like the likethe dirty hippies, like oh yeah,
you know advancive. Yeah, thoseare the hippies that are just disgusting,
right, look at that very well, smell them from a mile away.

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Yeah, yeah, yep. Anduh yeah, I'm excited for the new
movie. I don't know, uh, you know, the critic movie that
he's got coming out. Oh,it's it's not there's no release date or
anything for it. He's working onit right now. I'm not even sure
it's been completely cast it yet.And then number one top forty song,

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I'll give you three guesses. Thefirst two don't count. It is indeed
still Uptown funk In. It's eighthweek. Thanks Casey was We're yeah,
because it's probably gonna just keep ongoing, you said, right, I
think. So, I've really tried. I haven't looked ahead yet because I

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want to surprise myself. So Isuspect that it's going to be all the
way through the run of the finalseason of Justified, but it could something.
It could get dethroned here any atany moment. As far as I
know, seeing the songs that arebehind it, it looks like most of
them have already had their day.That's the That's the thing. So I

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wonder if there's anything ascended. Itdoesn't appear that anything's coming at coming for
the title yet. So all right, well that's that's our trip back to
the week of March third, twentyfifteen. So let's let's without further ado,
let's go ahead and get into thisepisode. So I've broken it up
into three main stories, right,I think we have the Boyd Ava story,

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we have the Raylan Winona story withRaylan Winona and Willa story, and
we have the Walker man hunt.And the Walker man Hunt sort of overlaps
a little bit the Raylan Winona story, but it doesn't affect the Boyd story
at all. So I figure weopen up with Boyd here because it probably
gives us them the most to talkabout is the Boyd story. So the

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last we saw Boyd had gotten acall from Limehouse and he said, hey,
do you know what Ava was upto yesterday? And all Boyd remembered,
of course, was that he gothome and Raylan Gibbons was in his
house. So he's probably very interestedto hear what Limehouse has to say.
We don't see the end of thatconversation, but we do see Boyd after

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dinner with Ava doing like a sortof horny Boyd horny sort of thing.
It's a little odd, but hehe packed a suitcase for Ava to go
with him to the hunting cabin inBulletville because tomorrow is the first day of
boar season and it's time to huntsome pig, Boyd says, and he

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wants he wants to go up therewith his fiance. So they they take
a little trip up to Bulletville andthey get there and it's late, late,
late, late at night. Becausethey don't leave until after dinner,
it's already late, and Boyd isBoyd's being weird the whole time, right,
I mean, he's he's acting verystrangely. He's saying weird things to

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Ava. Ava is very on edge, right. She suspects that something is
going on, and she's not exactlysure what it is, but Boyd.
She has Boyd if they can puton the fire, and he says,
I think I might have something better, And he digs in the floor and
finds a bottle of Pappy Van winklethat is one of the last surviving bottles

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from their warehouse fire. And thatactually is our food of the week.
God damn woman, you only shootpeople when they're eating supper. It is
a bottle of Pappy consumed under duresswith your fiance in a hunting cabin that
you don't want to be in isour food of the we And and so

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there's there's this this this scene betweenAva and Boyd. Boyd makes Ava drink
she doesn't want to drink, andthen they talk about their wedding, their
upcoming nuptials. And I have aclip of that. Maybe me and you
ought to write our own vows.You're serious. I am not some rope

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commitment recited without meaning something from theheart. I know till death through us
parks. I don't want to hearabout that on my wedding night. Oh
me neither. But I do thinkwe ought to talk about commitment, trust,
loyalty. Those are important words.Wouldn't you agree? Why wouldn't I?

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You know, when my mom anddaddy got married, I promised to
obey was in their wedding vows.Did you hear that from inside your mama's
womb? My dad bringing up everytime he hit my mama, although I
don't think he ever did get aroundto obeying her. Hm. Bowman never

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troubled himself making excuses. I meanmyself. I don't believe that a man
should ever hit a woman, orat least I ain't found a reason yet,
meaning you could find one. Whatif a handsome man smiled at me
and somehow that was my fault?Or I didn't have your dinner ready exactly

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when you came home? What didyou beat on me? Then apologize and
promise and never do it again.Keep that promise maybe one day, maybe
two? Maybe Have I ever doneanything to you? Have I ever hurt
you in any way? Bowman wassweet as candy til he got married.

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Then I was his property. WellI ain't my brother, No, But
you are a crowd, or aren'tyou? You forced me to come up
here, you make me drink whenI don't want to. I'm gonna take
this bottle corrack it over my headnext black Bowman would do yeah, and

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it kind of escalates from there.They both stand up, there's a physical
confrontation. Ava hits Boyd a coupleof times. The next thing you know,
he's got his he's got his handaround her throat, and then it
leads to a very passionate conclusion whichall of this, the physical altercation with

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Boyd and Ava. The length ofthis scene, this scene is like six
minutes long from beginning to end,all of it very very unusual for Justified,
and I think I think they nailedit. Oh yeah, very very
well done. And it does.You know, Ava is speaking, you
know, there's obviously layers to whatthe words that she's saying, So it's

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it's it. I did. Idid notice like kind of how careful she
was to avoid answering his question,Like he asked her, have I ever
done anything to hurt you? Andwe find out later and I have a
clip of that later that we'll talkabout. Uh that, Yeah, in
fact, he has done plenty tohurt her, and uh, and she
does it. She avoids answering hisquestion. She's she she mister acts.

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She's like, well, Bowman wassweet as candy until we got married and
then and then I was his propertyas well. Just the way she says
property is funny to me. Butyeah, it's uh, it's a really
unusual scene for the show. Ithink it's a really good scene for the
show. I think Ava is absolutelykilling it kind of with her acting in

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this episode. Of course, Boyd, you know, is all is Boyd.
I also think that, you know, look, I don't I don't
think Boyd is wrong to be puttingher sort of in this position based on
what he knows, not just basedon what he knows, but but even

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if he didn't know what he knows, like Eve has been so hot and
cold on him and so kind ofback and forth on what she wants to
do or what she doesn't want todo and how she wants to do it,
and whether she's in or out orotherwise that you know, of course
he's he's suspicious of her. He'sgoing to be suspicious of her, and
I think he's right to kind ofask, like, Hey, what the

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hell's going on with you? Likeone day we're drinking a bottle of whiskey
to the corners on the bar.That was like three days ago, And
now I want you to come tomy hunting cabin with me, and you
won't even come up. You know, I will remind you two days ago
we were in Lexington in a hotelroom together. It's it's it's very very

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strange and and you know, andit's true to life, right, I
mean that's how I would expect Evawould be if she were under the the
immense amount of pressure that she's underin the show. And that's what I
think it is. I think sheshe she has to deal with all this
different pressure from different angles, right, is Boyd can murder me right to

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you know, how do I getout of? How do I get out
of the situation that I'm in?Yeah, I mean she had to feel
like when he was like, Okay, we're going to Bulletville, I mean
that had to be the first thingthat that crossed her mind was like,
holy shit, he's going to killme. Ye knows, he's going to
buy ourselves, you know, likeshe's saying that. And I did have
a note here that this is thesame Bulletville where in the season one.

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That's what that's the season that whenfinale, Right, that's that's Rabin.
Ye, it's the cabin. Yeah, So who did the repairs? You
know, like it was probably Boydwhen he was in season two industrious mode.
Oh that's true. Yeah, wasthe first thing he did is he
fixed up the cabin before he startedworking in the coal mine and av hey,

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I have a question for you actually, and it's unrelated, but it
comes back to the Raylan and Wendastoryline. Where is Raylan living these days?
Do we have any idea? Ishe staying at Arts or or not
Arts? Uh Arlow's. Is thatwhere he's living? Do we think?
No? I thought I thought hewas at that hotel, that same hotel
from season one. Well, nobodymoved. He moved out of that hotel

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and like remember after the after theguy came to kill him and Winona,
they moved out of there. Theymoved he and when Monona left, he
moved into the apartment above the bar. He moved into the house that was
seized. Yeah, and we haven'tseen where he has lived since then,

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Like we haven't and go to bedsince then? The oh, well that's
Wanona's hotel. Well that was whenI was trying to figure out, like
is that did Wanona get just youknow, a room in that crappy motel
because she was familiar with it andshe was coming to Tad. She get
the frequent flyer. She's like aplatinum member or something. I mean that

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like the furniture or the decor isvery similar to the season one. It's
just it seems like it's a biggerroom, you know, like the bigger
well it did. At one pointI thought there was like a whole kitchen.
I'm like, they didn't show thatin season one, but it wasn't.
It was just like a shelf witha coffee maker. But it did
look like a whole kitchen, soI wonder. I like, the desk

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clerk is like, oh, theseguys bodies this time all I'll get the
cleaning crew. We had to retirethat last room. It was we let
you stay in there after you shotyour dad on the bed and then you

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had two other bodies there. Souh so so there they go to bed,
they you know, bang presumably,and uh, Boyd wakes Ava up
very early. They've probably only beenasleep for a couple of hours. Boyd
wakes Eva up to go hunting board. It's time to beat They got to
beat the sunset sunrise. What's great, though, is that when we do

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eventually see them outside, it iswell after sunrise. It's like ten am
or something like the sun's getting tobe high in the sky and uh,
they're out there looking for boar andthey're not even really I mean, Boyd's
not Boyd's dressed in his his typicalgarb, right, He's not wearing like
hunting clothes or anything. He's gothis his tight black pants and his vest,

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the whole, the whole Boyd Crowdercostume on, and ava's just an
like regular clothes. They're not reallyhunting. Uh, but they're talk seems
sorry, go ahead, Oh,I was just gonna say it seems like,
uh, you know, like becausebored the wild pigs are like almost
like cockroaches in uh you know,the certain places. Yeah. Yeah,

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yeah, that's why it's like Iknow in Texas, like it's like open
season, like if you're if youever see any you can just shoot him
on any wild pig you can shootthem on. Yeah, because like they're
like I said, they're like theydestroyed or whatever. Yeah yeah, yeah,
yeah, well I know they getall fired up and like the males,
especially in the breeding season, getlike all fired up and destroy things.
Like yeah, they can be dangerousyeah, and yeah, but anyway,

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I'm sorry to mean no worries whatBoyd Boyd hears one. I mean,
so they they they're out there walkingaround and talking and and Ava,
you know, uh, Boyd asked, you know what she was the first
thing she killed? And she killsa squirrel. And and that leads to
Boyd talking about all the various betrayalshe's had over the years, you know,
from from cousin Johnny and Devil,and what he had to do with

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them, and how I wish they'djust talked to me about it. We
could have worked something out. AndAva doesn't seem entirely convinced right that they
could have worked something out. Butare you convinced? No, of course
not, no, absolutely, he'strying to listen a confession. It's cop
tactics. He's trying to listen aconfession from her so he can feel less

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bad about killing her. Yeah,so he wants to be sure, but
he here's the bore and he runsoff. And so everything I said about
how great that scene in the cabinwas with them, I am going to
take a demerit off for this thisscene. Whether they do a fake out,
like Boyd shot her from far awaywhen he goes off to to shoot

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the pig, she's standing there andwe hear the gun shot and she goes,
oh, she makes a little screamand like grabs herself like she's been
shot, And no, it's Boydshooting a pig. And and he brings
it back and cooks it up forhim, and and they have a nice
pork breakfast, nice bacon breakfast thereout in the wild. And Boyd's I

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mean, Boyd's got blood up tohis elbows, Like yeah, yeah,
it's absolutely wild that he butchered thathog out there in the in the wild,
cooked it and hung it, hungit and cooked it and ate it.
That's that's cool. It's cool that. Yeah. Well, I'm just

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saying it's assuming that you know,he had all that equipment in the truck
or whatever it was they used toget them, oh yeah, to hang
it up and to skin it andeverything else. Yeah. Yeah, you
wouldn't think if it was a pretensejust to go up there to kill her,
he wouldn't have brought all that stuffalong with them. But but so
they sit down, they said,by the fire, and they have a

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conversation on the state of things.And during this conversation, Ava admits that
she's a ci for Raylan And Ihave a clip of that. Now I've
edited out a bunch of the silenceof this clip. This clip originally was
like over three and a half minuteslong. I took out a bunch of
the spaces, so some of thesome of the dialogue comes right on top

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of each other. But the ideahere is you can kind of remember where
there were spaces, and there's someserious acting going on here in the spaces
between the words that that I cutout because you can't see it anyway.
So here's the here's the clip.Why do you bring me up here?
Bore? Just spend a lovely twentyfour hours with my lady. You've been

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dancing around something since we got here, So why don't you just come out
and say whatever it is you gottasay? You want to get down?
Is that your salon calling again?You've been I know you ran, I
know you went to see Limehouse.I know someone helped you escape Errol and

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it wasn't just that constable and nottwenty four hours later I come home to
find Raylan Gibbings sitting in your goddamnkitchen. So how about you come out
say what it is you've got tosay? I'm a snitch, what I'm

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a see eye? For Rayling?I sold you out. Boy, you're
gonna kill me. That it gonnakill me now. You left me in
prison. You did nothing for me. You are gonna cut a deal with

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the crows. You could ask foranything you wanted to clean slight for yourself.
You didn't even ask about me.I was gonna die in prison,
boy, those girls were gunning forme. Should not be expected to fight
every single day for the rest ofmy life. Don't you tell me you
wouldn't have done the same exact goddamnthing. You're sleeping with Raylan Gibbings.

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What are you sleeping with Raylan?You're gonna ask me that you take it,
take it, take it. Puta bullet in my head right now,
do it. No, it didn'tdo anything with Raylan. It's you.

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It's always been you. So allright. There's a few things going
on here, and when I talkabout make sure I talk about all of
them. So so one of thethings that I want to talk about first
is is that there's in the sceneyou see the bruising on Ava's neck where

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Boyd grabbed her from the night before. You can see bruises left from his
fingers, and that is some excellentattention to detail. On the part of
the producers here. Oh yeah yeah, and and and to show how how
aggressive that that tangle that they gotinto in the cabin was, right,
Yeah, yeah, it's uh,it's a detail because, like you were

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saying earlier, you haven't seen somethinglike that, that interaction between Ava and
Boyd. Basically, that's not somethingthat we've seen all series. Nope,
nothing like that, right, Imean like we've seen we've seen women have
violence done to them, for sure, but not sort of in an intimate

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way like that was. Yeah.Yeah, And it goes back to because
I always think, you know,like she she put up with uh with
Wollman, you know, as asbad basically an abused or a battered,
battered wife or battered woman. Andthere's always that part that like neither maybe

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well I don't understand and maybe Iwill never be able to understand the you
know, like what what keeps awoman? What? What what what keeps
her stay? You know? Whatmakes her stay? Yeah? Yeah,
yeah, yeah, I don't.I don't, I don't know, and
and you know, there's any numberof things, but but it's not it's

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going to be specific to the woman. I think it's not. Yeah,
So they all have They're all goingto have their reasons, right. Sometimes
there's kids involved. Sometimes they don'thave another like feasible choice from an economic
standpoint. Sometimes, uh, there'sfamily other family members involved that that make
things complicated. But yeah, soshe's she's basically a batter spouse now,

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just not being physically beaten up,although there is you know, we've seen
this little physical altercation between between Avaand Boyd. Now there's also this moment
where Boyd stands up from the fireand it's before he pulls the gun out,
but he stands up and walks towardsAva, and we see the gun
tucked into the back of his pants, and they very specifically cut the camera

(32:27):
and angled it in such a waythat we could see that. And again,
I think that's really really good work. It's more subtle than I think
we're used to Unjustified, and it'sexcellent work from the director and from the
producers there to kind of imply themalice before the malice actually happens. It's
it's and it's right before, it'slike thirty seconds before, but it's there

(32:50):
right, and it's also you know, hey, look he was he was
killing a boar. Maybe he killedthe boar with that gun. Maybe that's
not why he has it. It'sfor Ava. But then you're like,
well, wait a minute, whatdo you really can try and kill a
you know what, two hundred poundpig or three hundred pound pig with a
with a pistol, I don't thinkSo, No, he took that rifle
with him, Yeah, right toshoot that buh, to shoot the pig.
So the pistol is for Ava,and that pistol is empty, we

(33:15):
find out after the fact. Sohe hands it to Ava at one point
tells her, you know, ifyou're banging Raylan, just shoot me right
in the head, and he,I mean, Walton Goggins bashes himself in
the forehead half a dozen times,like audibly, and you can you can
hear it on the on even inmy audio clip you can hear it.
It's it's it's something. I don'tknow if they sweetened that audio or if

(33:38):
that's the actual audio. It soundspretty convincingly real. So yeah, otherwise,
props to the folly artist. Soyeah, so he gave her an
opportunity, right, He gives herthe gun, tells her if you're shoot
if you're banging Raylan, just goahead and shoot me. And he puts
the gun in her hand and shedoesn't do anything with it, She just

(33:59):
hands it back to him. Wefind out after their conversation that the gun
was empty the whole time. Hedidn't have any bullets in it when he
was pointing it at her, andhe definitely didn't have any bullets in it
when he handed it to her topotentially kill him. So it was a
loyalty test. Can I trust you? I think the thing that stands out
the most to me about this conversation, though, is that Ava admits being

(34:22):
a ci for Raylan. She talksabout how he abandoned her in prison and
all he wanted was a deal toget himself out of trouble, get a
clean slate for himself, didn't givea crap about her. She tells him
all of that, And what's hisquestion back to her? Did you bang
Raylan? Did you sleep with Raylan? Giving that would be the question,

(34:43):
though, right? Do you thinkso? At least in Boyd's mind?
Right? I mean? I guessdoes it really matter at this level of
betrayal? Does it really matter ifhe if she slept with Raylan again,
by the way, not something shehasn't done before, right, It's it's

(35:06):
not like he hasn't been there before. So I don't know. I I
just thought that was that felt tome very kind of beta. Well,
yeah, this is that is itis. It makes no mistake that it
is a beta. But you gotta, I think you have to understand,
like, what is the you know, the Boyd has always uh this show

(35:30):
is a little bit about him too, how really into Ava he is?
He's into Ava a lot boil boy. Let's let's dig in on that though
for a minute, right because becausethis is one of my favorite topics about
Justified, is is Boyd actually intoAva or is there something else going on?

(35:51):
And I don't know what that somethingelse is, whether it's just he's
built her up like every other personin Harlan, he's built her up as
this, you know, this fantasyangel in his mind, or she was
married to his brother and killed himand so that makes her, you know,
a prize to be conquered, somethingto be conquered, or or if
it's she was Raylan's, now she'smine. This is important for me.

(36:16):
But after a season, after whathappens a few episodes from now. I
don't I don't know. I don'tknow if is it possible it could be
all of those things. I guessit could. Yeah, yeah, it's
sure. It can be more complicatedthan I'm making Yeah, yeah, yeah,

(36:37):
but I think are you begging Raylan? Is one of those things that
goes back to however long that thelittle boy and Raylan have been have known
each other. Yeah, that's true. You know, there's the whole thing
with the families and yeah, there'sall of that. So yeah, the

(36:58):
only I I would say it feelsto me like the bigger betrayal here is
the crime, right, it's thebeing ci Like I feel like Bloyd would
have gotten over of a banging railand if she wasn't giving all of his
secrets at the same time. Right, But maybe I'm wrong about that.

(37:19):
He's a I am a believes thatBoyd loves the thrill of chasing money more
than anything else in the world,and that includes Ava. It's not even
so much getting the money because henever actually gets any of the money.
He like Wiley Coyote, Right,It's he's like a semi competent Wiley Coyote.

(37:44):
It's all about that, just waitingfor him to run into them.
Yeah, well he's done that acouple of times this season so far,
and all of the Crows season wasbasically Boyd repeatedly you're running or running off
the cliff and looking down, seeingthere's no ground under him and falling.

(38:07):
Good point, Actually that's a goodpoint. Yeah. So Ava casually and
convincingly lies about not doing anything withRaylan. Right, she has been manipulating
Raylan and much the same way she'smanipulating Boyd here by saying, hey,
you know, we should get backtogether and then kissing him in her kitchen
right before Boyd came home. Andshe says, no, no, it's

(38:30):
it's never it was never about him. It's always been about you. And
you know, you wonder how muchtruth there is to that. You don't
know, right because it was shownto be in a completely untrustworthy sort of
character. At this point, youdon't know what her plan is, You
don't know what her what her individualtruth is, So you don't know if

(38:51):
she was really seducing Raylan, wantsto be with Raylan, if it was
a tactic to help her get outof trouble, if she really wants to
be with Boyd. If if it'sa tactic to try and save her life,
you don't know any of these things. And it's and she's doing so
well with it. I I gotto give her credit. It's it's great.
Yeah, I think it's it's justa lot of levels, a lot
of nuance to all the pressure thatshe has to react to. Yeah,

(39:15):
well done, I agree, Iagree, And uh so I think was
there was was was it was itAva who said that it's easier to give
motherly advice than to actually mother orwas that that's win? No, No,
that's right. We'll get to thatin a minute then, because that's
our that's our Kentucky Fried wisdom momentof the week, and I want to
talk about that as somebody who's raisedby boomers. So all right, so

(39:40):
that's the Boyd and Ava storyline.It picks up immediately again in uh in
the next episode, So we havea lot more to come there and a
arrangement essentially between Ava and Boyd asto how they're going to play things going
forward. All right, So let'sget into you know, let's get into

(40:05):
the Walker man hunt. Yeah,let's let's get into the Walker man hunt.
So the episode opens. If weremember at the end of the last
episode, the Marshall's shot pretty mucheverybody in in Markham's gang, Chow Chow
made it away but died on thetrain tracks, and Walker has escaped for

(40:32):
the time being at least, andso they are on the manhunt looking for
Walker. Rachel has called in fiftyadditional Marshalls, and I think we had
mentioned last episode that we thought thatmight have been a little bit excessive given
the given the scenario. Well,then Rachel makes me look a fool by

(40:52):
making an Eric Frayne reference. AndEric Frayne, I think it's Frayne or
Frine. I don't remember exactly howit's pronounced. I don't know if you
were remember this or not. Thishappened in twenty fourteen. He attacked Pennsylvania
State Police barracks and shot and killeda a state trooper and wounded another one.

(41:14):
The attack happened on September twelfth.They didn't apprehend him until like almost
three weeks later. I believe bythe seventeenth there were two hundred officers involved
in the hunt. By the twentysecond, it was four hundred, and
by September twenty fourth, they hadover one thousand people a thousand law enforcement

(41:34):
officers in Pennsylvania looking for this guy, including the FBI, the Marshalls,
and the ATFE. They found acouple of pipe bombs in the area where
he was thought to be hiding,so they were worried about that. Total
costs for the man hunt eleven pointnine million dollars, which I believe is
roughly one point two billion and twentytwenty three dollars. It was only nine

(41:58):
years ago, so I had toround down a little bit, but yeah,
inflation, right, He's currently EricFraine is currently awaiting execution in Pennsylvania,
so he was he was arrested,tried, and convicted of murdering police
officers, and is currently a waitingexecution in Pennsylvania. So that's who she

(42:20):
is referencing. So she doesn't wanttheir man hunt for Walker to turn into
that sort of catastrophe where three weekslater there's one thousand people combing the forests
of Kentucky looking for looking for tyWalker. And by the way, if
ty Walker gets away for three weeks, he's gone. You're never gonna find
that guy again. So there isno markets like that's exactly right. Yep,

(42:45):
exactly right. Let's see what dowe got here. We got Raylan
opts out of the man hunt becausehe's got a thing. And that's literally
what he says, I've got athing I'm gonna opt out of and take
that day off that that you thatyou gave me or that you wanted me
to take. And we find outthat his thing is that Winona and Will

(43:06):
are in town, and uh,and Rachel makes a chasing our dicks reference,
and Tim rightfully notices that someone unusualfor a woman to say, I
don't want us to be out herechasing our dicks. Uh, yeah,
it is, and and at thesame time felt perfectly natural to me.
I didn't. I didn't really noticeit until Tim pointed it out to me.

(43:28):
Did I noticed it right right away? Yeah? No, Tim kind
of like verbalize my thoughts. Look, Vos, you're the boss, You're
allowed to say whatever you want.But you know, I guess chasing vadge
has a whole different sort of connotation. But yeah, And so so Walker's

(43:52):
out, he's on the run,he is wounded, and uh, he
gets a he called Markham and SeaBass and they put him on speaker,
and Markham wants to know where heis, and Walker kind of figures out
that that means they're going to killhim, so he lies, says he's

(44:13):
hold up in an old, abandonedchurch in Corbin, tells Sea Bass where
to find him, and then Markhamattempts to buy Sea Bass's loyalty for fifty
thousand dollars, give him fifty grandtells them, hey, Walker's done,
He's burned. There's nothing you cando to save him now, and you
should go lay low somewhere because thatprostitute, that sex worker can identify you

(44:37):
and will identify you, and probablyalready has identified you to the police,
So you need to get the hellout of here. I did wonder about
that, Like they would have hadthat woman in their custody right, the
marshals would have they would have startedto interview her, you would expect,
and you would think that she wouldhave identified Sea Bass by this point.

(44:58):
So why is he able to bein the portal with impunity? They know
full well where he is and wherehe should be. They made a reference
i think in the last episode tohim going to ground, but he was
right there in the middle of theportal, So I thought that was weird.
Yeah, and it's also weird thatMarkham would even be meeting with him.

(45:21):
You know. With Sea Bass,well, I think he's the last
of the lieutenants left. Everybody elseis dead, so he's gotta and it
does. But like you know,like him and uh, Markham and Catherine
had that conversation about like loyalty andstuff. It kind of fits with him,
like tossing out cats. Oh,absolutely to buy the loyalty so overpay

(45:45):
him over them. Yep. Yeah, so that's what that's what happens with
Sea Bass. I don't think wesee him again this season. I'm pretty
sure. I'm pretty sure that's thelast of Sea Bass gets away. I
think I don't remember. I reallydon't remember. I haven't I haven't watched
the next episode yet. So uh, and then you know, we see

(46:07):
Walker a little bit later. Hestopped at a rest stop. He's struggling
with his gunshot wound. He hadhis vest on, but it was in
the shoulder where the vest doesn't cover, and it went in the shoulder didn't
exit, which is rough and sohe uh, he has to cut it
out and he patches himself up usingpaper towels from a gas station or a

(46:28):
rest stop bathroom, which you're luckyfirst of all, that there were paper
towels in there. Yeah, that'salmost everything us, like a tampons or
was he yeah right, yeah,he covers or whatever. And he had
some of that that coagulant. Idon't know where he got that from.
And then he had to use papertowels to like stanch the bleeding. It

(46:50):
was weird, yeah, yeah,because he sprinkled that that stuff on there.
So yeah, but so he is, uh, he come out of
the bathroom. He looks an absolutefright. He's sweaty, he's carrying a
bloodstained bulletproof vest. He he's justbeen making a ton of noise in the
bathroom. You've got a couple ofpeople banging on the door outside. And

(47:13):
he comes out and he finds twofrat boys waiting, and Walker, being
smarter than the average bear, decidesthat he has a plan that he's going
to execute with these frat boys.And I have a clip about time.
I mean, guess, fraternity brothers. What educational institution is lucky enough to

(47:34):
have you for students? F youpart of it? A great proctology program,
I'll bet you'd love it. Oh, one of my nose. I
never went to college. Myself joinedthe army right out of high school.
Gave me some notion of fraternity,and we thank you for your service.

(47:55):
Now, if you're done whipping yourarmy putting there, I got a shit
begging the question. Well, yourbrother over there step in wanna split your
scull upen? Why? Well?I was just kidding, man, so

(48:22):
was I. H apologies went twistedsense of humor. It has been a
day. Well, we both hadit. I d di di Disney World
there, Disney World, maybe theWizarding World of Harry Potter. Orlando.
Huh, of all the gin joints. The fates are smiling upon me,

(48:43):
gentlemen, I was headed there myself. Can deliver this to an old army
buddy, my mentor of our timein the box. This vest saved his
life many a time. Hey,how about I give you three hundred dollars
to deliver it to Orlando for me? Huh, go ahead and take it.

(49:08):
Take it then for your incidentals.Now, don't be shy. You
buy all the PBR and front ageyou can stomach. Now the address is
twelve twelve Main Street. Repeat thatback to me twelve twelve Main Street.
See how we do that is toremember much appreciated gentlemen. You need to

(49:32):
have fun, you know, howcould you not. That's the happiest place
on art. I mean, it'sa smart idea if you're not being hunted
by the marshals, right, Like, the locals would totally fall for that.
Yeah, always got activity on hiscredit cards, let's get him.
But the marshals aren't going to fallfor that. And in fact, we

(49:52):
see Raylan and Tim later having aconversation about that, or it becomes clear
that his poy has failed. Imean, ideally, the idea is,
hey, go, you know,use my credit cards down the down the
coast to Florida, and they'll thinkthat that's where I'm going. But yeah,
they went to the porno store andkind of ruined it. I love

(50:15):
There are a couple of things thatI love about this in are action.
The first is my favorite. Myfavorite moment is when he goes, can
you say the same for him?When I split your skull open and the
guy who's sitting in the back ofthe truck does everything in his power to
look the other way, Like Nope, I'm not in this. It's between

(50:37):
you and him. Dude, juststraight up bails on his buddy who was
being an idiot. But still he'sjust straight up bails on his buddy.
Yeah, and then the sarcastic,like halfsolute, well, thank you for
your service. It does, itdoes make it clear like kind of how
far the world has come since nineto eleven, right, like you would

(51:00):
I've never done that in two thousandand two, but in twenty fourteen or
twenty fifteen, rather, you canget away with it fIF fourteen years later.
So yeah, but yeah, Soso Walker hops back in his Mercedes
and takes off. Tim and Raylanhave a conversation about the Walker manhunt.

(51:20):
It becomes clear that Tim isn't fallingfor the trick and that they're still looking
for Walker in Kentucky. While theyare having that conversation, well, by
the way, Raylan has Willa withhim when he comes in, and Tim
is incredibly skeptical of the child.In the Marshall's office, he is doing
some serious face acting seeing Raylan carryingWilla around. It's great. And then

(51:47):
the only Marshall who wants anything todo with the baby besides Art, of
course, the only Marshall wants anythingto do with it is Nelson, and
Nelson doesn't get to hold the baby. He just gets blown shit. Yeah,
I love the continual punching bag thatis Marshall Nelson. It's fantastic.

(52:08):
God, I know he's been putting. That's like a hostile working It's just
it's just bullied, just constantly bullied. He's like, I deserved to be
here. I did everything you did. Shut up, Nelson, go get
lunch. It's so great. ButArt is also at the office. He's

(52:34):
walking around with a cane and abeard. He's bored at home, so
he has decided that he wants tofigure out what's going on with Avery Markham
and Simon Poole and Catherine Hale andall that. It's it's it's tingling his
his martial brain because he remembers whenhe was a young Marshall. It was

(52:54):
when the Simon Poole got killed andwhen Avery and Catherine were at the forefront
of law enforcements memories. So hegoes in. He sees Avery in one
of the conference rooms, and hedecides he's going to go in and have

(53:14):
a chat with Avery Markham, andI have a cup of that. He
identifies himself as a plain old deputyby the way before this clip starts,
so he's he's saying he's just aregular old marshal in this clip. You
know what, when I was justa pup, I served some warrants on
some of your men, and thenyou and I passed each other one day

(53:35):
in the courtroom. When that judgeyou paid off dismissed all the charges.
You must not have made an impression. I don't remember you well. Memory
loss that's a sheer sign of oldage. So I was losing your hearing
about the old fishing pole. I'mstill able to hook a fish with it.

(53:57):
You know, I've been married fortwenty eight years. I don't get
pulled out as much as they usedto. But I hear you do.
I ard you pulled Catherine Hale intoyour boat. Why would you care about
my relationship with Catherine Hale? Well, I don't, except for the one
that you had with her fourteen yearsago. Wasn't it around that time that
her husband, Grady Hale, gotkilled in prison. Sorry, I have

(54:22):
trouble remembering things too. I heardit was suicide suicide. Huh wow.
Well, I mean the reason Irecall it is because that's around the same
time that US attorney Simon Poole gothis head blown off. You remember that.
I remember he had a heart onfor Grady. He did. That's

(54:44):
right, and you were Grady's partner, right. You know a lot of
people were saying that Simon Poole claimedhe had a snitch in Grady's camp that
ratted him out. We wouldn't haveany idea who that was, would you.
I'm confused. You call me amurder or you call me a rat,

(55:07):
well, neither as such. I'mjust thinking. I mean, it
wouldn't make sense for you to killPool, to slow down Grady's case,
just to turn around and kill Gradyso that you could be with Catherine.
If I was just gonna leave Kentucky, that was not an easy decision.

(55:27):
I love Catherine still do. Well, that's very sweet, But why I
leave unless maybe you didn't trust heror you didn't know what she was going
to do to you. Art takingadvantage of Raylan's message of wonderful things can

(55:47):
happen when you sow seeds of distrustin a garden of asseholell right, just
taking one page right out of thebuck, you know, just just fucking
with Avery Mark. I'm a littlebit on the truck Us level, just
trying to decide can you trust CatherineHale or was she the rat in the
first place? And he already suspectsher being the rat, which you you
know, Art didn't know, butyou know, that plays very well into

(56:12):
the conversation that that Avery and Catherinehad in the last episode. So it's
a cool go ahead, I say, it's a cool moment, But go
ahead, I I have a Iwas going to kind of change direction a
little bit. So, oh,I was just gonna say it kind of
parallels what what Ava boyd? Youknow there are trust trust issues, so

(56:37):
yeah, weird. You know,you wouldn't expect that, you know,
running a criminal enterprise for a livingwould mean that you can't trust the people
that you're working with. Those ofyou who are on TikTok know what that
is. It's everywhere. Uh yeah, And so what I was gonna do

(56:59):
is I was going to talk aboutthe h the fishing pole home reference,
because they they take a little opportunityto make fun of each other a little
bit forgetting old. And you know, Art says, oh, you know,
memory, that's the first thing togo as you're getting old, and
and and Markham fires right back becausehe sees his hearing aids and he says,
oh, yeah, you're hearing too, and then he asks him if

(57:20):
he can get his dick hard,which Art I think has the best response
to that I've ever heard in thatsituation, which is, I don't know,
man, I've been married for twentyeight years. I barely remember what
it looks like. So, butyeah, I do. I do the

(57:40):
little jabs that they think at eachother. When when it becomes clear that
you know, they're adversarial, rightArt, Art first comes in like,
oh, you know, I'm justyou know, just here to see what's
going on, and then then startsto become adversarial and and and Markham gets
a lot more serious with so Ithink, uh, I think at least

(58:04):
as part of the jabs, Ithink Avery kind of got the better end
of that. As far as likeneedling each other. Oh for sure,
for sure they did, for surethey did. But but Art, you
know, look, Art, Art'splaying the long game. Art doesn't care
if he lets if he gets needleda little bit. He's there to make
sure that Avery doesn't leave trusting Catherinebecause he knows that, you know,

(58:28):
that could result in something good forhim. So yep, yep. So
yeah, so that's that. Theyall continue on the man hunt. Meanwhile,
Walker is in the middle of nowhere. I don't know where he is
in, uh, in Kentucky.And as Mercedes breaks down, which I
thought was pretty unusual. That's uh, it's a nice car. It looked

(58:51):
relatively new. It's very weird tome that it would have a massive mechanical
failure for no reason, kind ofin the middle of nowhere, right,
I mean, it's possible maybe abullet hit something and it finally that's a
good point. I didn't think aboutthat, like it popped a hose or
something or something, you know,like something just like was got hit and

(59:13):
it weakened it and then finally gaveout or something. Yeah, you know,
that's what I hadn't thought about that, but I immediate I was like,
why I don't buy this Mercedes breakingdown? And then and then you
know, you have Walker basically,you know, threatening to put a bullet
into the engine, and then hechooses not to yeah, yeah, And
so then he calls an ambulance,calls nine one one, claims that they

(59:36):
were on a hiking trip and thathis buddy fell and he needs assistance,
and so they send an ambulance,and the ambulance driver and the other paramedic
not exactly cooperative. They try anddrug him, and he murders both of
them, and again in what Ithink is sort of a very you know,

(01:00:00):
unjustified like moment. It's a verygraphic sort of execution of civilians.
Yeah, yeah, shown up closein broad daylight. It's it's it's again
someone unusual headshots and everything. Soyeah, it was a very graphic.

(01:00:21):
But he kills both of the boththe ambulance driver and the other paramedic,
and takes their kit, and wedon't know kind of what's gonna happen from
there. But so now he's gotthe med kit, he's got the the
antibiotics, he's got the pain killers, he's got glaws and pads and real
anticoagulant and everything else. So he'shis gunshot wound is probably not a huge

(01:00:43):
issue for him anymore, but buthe's still is still in a bad spot
because he needs to get out oftown. He no longer has a vehicle,
he no longer has any cash.He's he's in trouble walker is if
it was a video game, hewould be back replenished one hundred percent.
That's right. Yeah, you gotyou got the men kit from the ambulance.
He's sent a hundred percent health maybepack somewhere else. Yeah, they

(01:01:13):
didn't have any bullets though, theydidn't have any weapons, so he wasn't
able to reload. I wondered ifhe could have could have taken that ambulance.
I bet there. I bet theyhave GPS and trackers and all sorts
of stuff in them. I bethe. I bet it wouldn't be a
It wouldn't be a profitable maneuver totake that because they're gonna find it very

(01:01:34):
quickly. Yeah. I am surprisedthat they did not send the police along
with the ambulance, because they said, you know, kind of what to
look out for. They warned theambulance drivers what was going on, and
they immediately recognized him as the suspect. So I'm surprised that they didn't have
that they were willing to respond tothat without without a police officer around.

(01:02:00):
Yeah, because in those kind ofactive crime situations like that, a lot
of the paramedics won't go in untilit's been cleared by the police. Are
not supposed to. Yeah, they'llthey'll wait. Yeah, I mean it's
only people, yeah, exactly.And the police stand around and talk to
each other and yeah, God,that's the funniest thing I had my actually,

(01:02:21):
one of my best friends from highschool, his dad, he just
hated the police, like hated overthe way like me, growing up in
a small town. And and hewould always see the like police just like
standing around like he would always callthem. What he would say. He
would say something like, oh,like, you ever see the car like
police cars where one like the driver'sside, the driver's seat, they're sitting

(01:02:46):
like sitting next to each other,but opposite directions. Do you ever see
that? Yeah? Yeah, hewould always say, one of those cops
drinking each other off. It's justthe funniest thing, man, I gotta
tell you. Every day I walkdowntown, I walk from my office,

(01:03:07):
I walk around, I will amile and a half twice a day,
and and I walk past the jail, the central jail. Yeah, and
every single day there are sheriffs orcops out there parked blocking the sidewalk in
front of the jail with the biggates closed, so they aren't allowed in

(01:03:31):
yet for whatever reason. And they'rejust there sitting and waiting and blocking the
sidewalk. Pedestrians can't get passed.You got to walk around their cars or
squeeze between them and the door thatthey're parked in front of. And they're
just lined up there on the road. And it's like, why do you
guy, why do you get specialrules? Like if anybody else blocked the

(01:03:52):
sidewalk, you would, you wouldget a ticket, you would get asked
to move at at a minimum,you'd asked to move. But they're just
there blocking the side. It drivesme crazy, drives me crazy. There's
no reason for it too, becausethere's plenty of parking right along the road
right now. They're just a bunchof ass Yeah, that's exactly what it
is. They're just a bunch ofassholes. They're whatever they're doing is more

(01:04:14):
important than whatever the pedestrians who needto walk on the sidewalk are doing.
It's infuriating. I'll get off myhigh horse though. Let's talk about Raylan
and Winona for a minute. Beforewe uh, before we wrap up here.
So Winona comes to town ostensibly becauseWilla has a heart murmur apparently and

(01:04:35):
is going to be visiting a pediatriccardiologist. Neither one of them, Raylan
or Winona know kind of how worriedto be about the heart murmur, but
you can tell they're definitely worried aboutit. And uh, and Willa is
a very loud, very annoying babywho screams constantly. There is a moment

(01:05:02):
where Raylan and Winona are fighting.She's in the bathroom and he's carrying the
baby around, and he's asking herlike, Hey, what can I do?
And she's like, you realize thatyou asking me gives me two chores
to do, because now I haveto take care of the baby and I
have to give you something to do, which I'm sure is what every like
new mom has said has wanted tosay to the dad every single day.

(01:05:29):
And uh, and the baby's screamingin the background, and it is really
difficult to listen to. Like Iwas able to watch this one time,
and I the next time I watchedthe episode, I skipped that I had
to fast forward through it. It'sjust so loud, how is Willa in
this episode not a Wiener kid?Exactly? Yeah, even even with the

(01:05:55):
screaming, not a Wiener kid,it's weird. No, no, no,
how is she not? Oh?How is she not a Wiener pot?
Oh? Yeah, well, she'snot doing anything stupid to drive the
plot for. She doesn't have shedoesn't have agency. She's a she's an
infant. It's impossible to be aWiener kid when you're an infant. She's

(01:06:15):
just a clump of self. Yourscenery all got Jesus, nothing like a
good abortion joke. Guys. Letme tell you, no worry. There's
nothing sensitive about that topic right now. I wouldn't worry about it. Let
me start talking about I don't knowwhat people, Stop being polite and start

(01:06:40):
being real, be real. Soyeah, I mean I almost I was
this close, like I'm holding myfingers like a quarter of an inch apart.
I was this close to putting togethera clip with the baby screaming in
the background, and I'm like,I don't want to alienate our listeners.
And I think they kind of maybethey even enhanced that audio, yeah,

(01:07:03):
because it was just terrible. Ican't I can't imagine if they didn't enhance
that audio. If that was liverecorded audio as they were shooting that scene,
how were how were Raylan and Winonaable to pay attention to what was
going on in the scene to havea conversation with that going on in the
background. I don't know how theycould. I don't know how you could

(01:07:26):
think, like, no, wonderpeople shake babyesus what was the name with
that lady who drowned her kids?And like she drove a car? Oh
yeah, they asked Susan Smith.Yeah, I remember that. That's why

(01:07:46):
it takes a village. Well.And then the when the lady who dragged
drown our kids in the bathtub too, that happened ten years ago. Yeah,
you hear about it every once ina while. It happens, right,
And then you see clips like thisand you're like, oh, I
wouldn't do it, but I canunderstand it. But I can understand.
I'm not get some help, butI totally understand kind of where you're coming

(01:08:10):
from. You reach a point whereyou're like, Okay, what am I
supposed to do? The only thingthat stops the crying is holding it underwater?
Oh man, that's dark, dark, but that's I mean, that's
unfortunately, you know, you havemental illness plus desperation. That's what's going
through their heads. Wow hey yeahYi. But Raylan, it decides instead

(01:08:35):
of drowning the baby, he's goingto take her to go get some ice
cream because that will solve all problems. Ice cream solves all problems. It's
also the breakfast Champions, as everyoneknows, so it's definitely the thing that
you have first thing in the morning. The truth of the matter is that
he was going to the office.I think he probably did get ice cream
too, because he's Raylan. Butbut yeah, he he went to the

(01:08:59):
office with Willa. And now arethey in Lexington? Yeah, okay,
that's where That's where Raylan's motel was. So if it's the same motel,
we assume it's in Lexington. Yeah, and that's why Raylan I think again,
I think Raylan's probably staying in uhin Arla's house, but but I
can't be sure because that's where they'rerunning the operation out of right, the

(01:09:21):
undercover operation for Yeah. Yeah,anyway, Raylan returns to the hotel.
Winona is very thankful, she's gottensome sleep. She's much more agreeable now,
and Willa is quiet and so theyhave a little bit of a conversation
about his obsession with his job,and she admits that, you know what,

(01:09:44):
I've come to accept it. Andthen she makes a confession to Raylan
and I have a clip of that, and let me play that, and
that'll be our last clip. Igot to come clean to you. That
sounding Willa's heart wasn't the only thingto go on a plane out here.
I mean it was, it waspart of it, but just all that
worrying about it, it really gotme thinking, and uh, what is

(01:10:10):
it? Hey? I used tolie awake in our bed when you'd be
out doing whatever it was that youdid, and and I would get so
worked up over thinking about if youwere never going to come home again,
and what I would do if thathappened. And that seemed to me unbearable,

(01:10:31):
and and it seemed unfair. Isuppose it was. Well, whether
it was or it wasn't, oris now I lie awake next to this
little girl and I listened to herbreathe. I know you're not coming home,
and it's that certainty. I'm justsaying. I think I think I

(01:10:55):
liked it better the first way.No, No, are you saying God
damn it, I'm saying I loveyou and I miss you, and I
want you to come home. AndI don't care where home is. I
don't care if it's here or inMiami or in the hills. It doesn't
matter to me. But if youwant it, I want you by my
side raising her daughter. So Iguess what I'm saying is you can be

(01:11:18):
with me and still be you.Is that's something you want. How generous
of her that is immediately what Ithought of right Like, this is so
interesting the way this is sort ofjuxtaposed with the boydn Ava relationship. And
you've got Winona, who up untilthis point, has decided that this is

(01:11:43):
one hundred percent on her terms,and now she's realized that what that means
for her is that she's raising aninfant alone. And now it's like,
oh shit, wait a minute,that was a bad decision. Maybe that's
not what I want. And shesays, you can be with me and
still be you if that's what youwant. It's such a shitty thing to

(01:12:08):
say to a person like I guessI'll accept you for who you are because
I have to. I don't havea choice. If that's what you want.
If you really don't want to changeto make yourself better for me,
I guess I can sort of acceptthe way you are now. Gess it's

(01:12:31):
like those the women who get divorcedand they are like, well, that's
that's not a good example. It'slike, did you did you see this
TikTok thing where women were talking aboutthey formed a list of places that you
can't go for a first date.I saw that for that first video,
which I think was fake with thelady in the car filming the guy and

(01:12:56):
he took her to cheesecake Factory.Yeah yeah, yeah yeah, but which,
by the way, Cheesecake Factory isawesome. I don't care. They
have good food. They have amenu that has literally everything in the world
on it. You get any kindof food you want at Cheesecake Factory,
and their cheesecakes really good too.I don't know what our beef with Cheesecake
Factory. It is like I canunderstand, you know, maybe maybe you

(01:13:17):
don't want to go to Wing Stop. Okay, fine, that's not a
great first date place, right.Yeah. You know what if you're in
college, maybe Olive Garden. Yeahfine, if you're in your twenty if
you're twenty five or older. Probablynot. But but Olive Gardens a pretty
good restaurant too. I mean,look, these places are everywhere and they're

(01:13:39):
popular for a reason, right,it's people like them. And uh yeah
that that, oh that drove mecrazy, Like how can you say coffee
is not a good place to goon a first date? What the hell
is wrong with you? That's perfect. It's low, low risk, it's
low investment. Yeah, you getto meet the person, find out if

(01:14:00):
you like him. Yeah. Ohthere was even that one even earlier,
like that came. That was acouple of weeks ago, and it was
the woman who like they went ona date and so like she started like
they went to an oyster bar orsomething like that, and she ran rang
up this massive tab and he dips. Oh I heard about that one too.

(01:14:23):
She ran up like a two hundreddollars tab and he's like yeah,
he's like, I'm gonna take off, you know, I'm not paying for
that. And he didn't just leaveher, like he actually told her he
was leaving. That was that,that's that's you know what. Good for
him? Good for him. Igive him credit for that because a lot
of people would have done in thatsituation, has just gone to the bathroom

(01:14:45):
and never come back. Who amongus has never gone on a date and
ghosted them and ghosted them in themiddle of the date with the check left
in the check. Oh, butI like to end my dates with a
din and dash. I always Ididn't bring my wallet, and as far

(01:15:06):
as you know, you didn't bringyours either. Let's get out of here.
Nothing nothing brings you closer than alittle bit of petty crime to start
off the relationship. I like toshow, like, show up at Mike
Tyson's house and we try to stealtheir tight steal the tiger. Yeah,

(01:15:27):
do you hump it? You knowthat that movie, The Hangover, that
has to be some of the best, Like that ending credits, where do
they do they like people watching?Yeah, that's fantastic. It's really good.
It's really That first Hangover movie isa really really good film. It's
really really good film. I rememberI was so excited because it was going
to bring back R rated comedies andthen nothing ever happens. But yeah,

(01:15:56):
so Raylan and Winona decide they're gonnamake go of it and U and they
give themselves a fifty one to fortynine. Chance. Now, of course,
those of us who have watched thewhole up, the whole show,
and who have watched City Primeval knowthat that doesn't work out in the end.
It takes a couple of years.But but they break up eventually.
And uh, but yeah, fiftyone forty nine and who knows which direction?

(01:16:19):
But yeah, so I think I'mgonna I'm looking through my list here,
my notes. I think that's aboutall I had. Oh I did
say that, boyd, there's athere's two things going on in the boydenava.
In the cabin scene, there's acontinuity error, I think, but
there's also even if it's not acontinuity error, it's they drink a wild

(01:16:42):
amount of that that Pappy van winklebourbonin about three minutes. Like that bottle
goes from full sealed to half morethan half gone in the three minutes.
They're sitting there talking and you're like, whoa, they should be completely shit
faced, they should be they shouldbe fun over at that point, Well,
that would explain why they got upat ten o'clock or whatever. Yeah,

(01:17:05):
sunrise, right, hangover? Allright, Well that's all I've got.
You got anything else? No,I ran out of stuff like about
five minutes ago. All right,well, let's get to our final segment.
I was telling my friends this morning, now yesterday, come to me,

(01:17:26):
and if you don't get out oftown in twenty four hours, I'm
gonna shoot you one site. Areyou gonna shoot them? I'll get four
you before you even clear your weapons, and I'll take my chances with the
other you get the chance shoot,I'll pull my side on unless I'm going
to shoot to kill. Are yougonna shoot him? To Raylan? And
Raylan doesn't shoot anybody in this episode, remarkably, not even not even that

(01:17:50):
crying baby It's just gonna be thisdead baby jokes. We have fulfilled our
quota of that baby joke. Ican't even think of one right now,

(01:18:14):
but oh I did just not one. There were the two deaths, the
two E M T s who whogot their heads and split open went quick,
yeah yeah, and that was it. Actually, there was no gunplay
or anything else like that other thanthe yeah tie murdering those two. I

(01:18:36):
would have liked to have seen himbeat the living hell out of that frat
boy, just one armed stomp him. That would have been actually, that
would probably would have like just establishedBonaflies being kind of like office, you

(01:18:58):
know, like that would have beenbeen a good way to kind of show
how dangerous he is. Yeah,I mean it's already a very violent and
graphic episode. You could have definitelya random civilian kidding God, that was
it. Actually, there wasn't reallymuch that. I mean, we are,
like I mentioned earlier, we're alittle bit more than halfway. So

(01:19:23):
yeah, well we get we getsome bodies next week, and I think
pretty much every episode after that,yeah, including the one episode where we
get many, many, many,so we'll get there. But god,
I'm excited about those. But allright, Well that's that's the end of
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