S06E08 - Dark as a Dungeon

The final pieces are moving into place as we get closer to finding out who will leave Harlan alive.

Join Groundless this week for a look at Season 6, Episode 8 of Justified, "Dark as a Dungeon" (or as we call it, the Arlo's creepy cabin episode). In this episode, Chris and Randy: attempt to juice our Googles by mentioning the Queen of All Media, Ms. Taylor Swift; discuss movies about robots with souls and reminisce about 80s black-and-brownface; take a moment to appreciate the conversations between Boyd and Raylan while we still can; address the weird Arlo segments bookending this episode; understand, without excusing, why Boyd is blinded by opportunity after seeing that giant pile of money; and bid adieu to everyone's favorite top - Ty Walker - in our In Memoriam segment.

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Episode Transcript

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Rolling down, the bull of button, the speed, a bowl cold there
like a tail, all light Tornado, Ringer promised, soul kids with one
hand on the glass pie, hehover long, heal, devil riding shot

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gun, singing boy, let's makea deal. This is groundless a Justified
podcast. This is a podcast wherewe watch every episode of Justified and then
come on here and talk about it. I'm Chris, that man is Randy.
Yeah, you know what, probablytop ten, Yeah, definitely,

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I think episodes of the series.Yeah, yeah, yeah, season six,
episode eight, Dark as a Dungeon. We were just talking before we
came on. We were wondering like, hey, where does this rank in
sort of the overall Justified episodes,and you were saying, you know,
it's pretty well up there. Ithink it's top ten for sure. It's
a little talkie, right like that, even for a Justified episode. It's

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a little talkie, which you know, Justified it is a little talkie and
that's why we like the show.But but it's a little bit talky for
it, even for a Justified episode. But other than that, it's good.
It's got that weird sort of bookendwith the Arlow thing, right with
yeah, railing on the front end, burning the stuff, and then the
ghost Arlow, which is very weirdfor this show at the end of the

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episode. But so so in betweenthere you've got like forty two minutes of
really really premium content and then youhave like four minutes of kind of questionable
content, I would say, whichis a fantastic Actually, that's a fantastic
ratio, right it is. Yeah, nobody else does it like that?

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Right, it's there's there's no othershow that is as at least as far
as I'm concerned, that is asconsistently good as this show is, and
it's one of the reasons it's myfavorite TV show. So yeah, yeah,
we are here this week to discussseason six, episode eight, Dark
as a Dungeon. This episode originallyaired March tenth, twenty fifteen. But

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before we get to that, we'vegot to do this. Is it s
not to say sorry, I'm sorryso sorry? Shoot, jeez, it

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seems to me sorry seems to beI'm guilty as joy? Would you miss
up this time? Chris? Well, it's my favorite audio sting, but

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it also it also is the onethat gets us removed from YouTube, so
that's fine. Only in certain countrythen, uh so so funny, right,
Russia usually, I think that's whatit is. Yeah, I didn't
even know they had YouTube in Russiaand Sylviet Russia YouTube watch you anyone who

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wants to see yakov smeared off.I think he's still in Branson, Missouri.
I think he has his own theaterthere if you're interested. So,
uh yeah, so, uh,we got a tweet or an X.
What do they call that now?Is it? Is it an ex?
Is it a post? I haven'tfully made it over to calling it X.

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I was gonna say tweet, allright, Yeah, so we got
a we got a tweet. I'llcall it that because I imagine that branding
is gonna come back at some point. It's like it's too valuable to just
flush down the toilet. That's likewhen AT and T went to singular and
then went back to eighteen exactly,yeah, exactly, so that you know,

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yeah, yeah, exact. Sowe got a tweet from our friends
friends of the show, the PostCredit podcast, guys who pointed out last
episode we were talking a little bitabout Once upon a Time in Hollywood on
one of our you know, diversionsthat we make regularly on this podcast,
and they pointed out that we didn'tmention during that discussion that Damon Harriman Dewey

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Crow played Charlie Manson in Once Upona Time in Hollywood and did a great
job with it. I really appreciatedthis particular correction because it shows that it
shows well, first of all,it shows that they get what we're about
here at the postcar at the atground List because it's such a pedantic sort

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of correction that and and by theway, it's not like we haven't ever
mentioned that Dewey Crow was in OnceUpon a Time in Hollywood before on this
show. We just happened to notmention it during that that one that discussion,
and I love that they pointed thatout to us, that that shows
somebody who actually gets the show.I like it very much. So uh

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so that leads nicely into Groundless Podcastat gmail dot com. If you have
a correction that you would like tomake to put more pedantic the better,
because that's that's kind of the joke, guys. So so thanks again to
friends of the show, the PostCredit Podcast, and don't forget to check
them out anywhere you get podcasts.They talk about movies, which we also
do, but very very limited.They actually dive into the movies and talk

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about the plot, which we don'tdo. We just tell whether we like
them or not. And I thinkthey were gonna do like you would recommend
it, or suggested to them thatthey do that one movieiter Jupiter Ascending,
Jupiter Ascending, Yeah, with withsea tats and uh and meg. Yeah,
yeah, yeah, they're gonna doit, well they adest. I

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don't know if they've done it,right, Oh, maybe they already did
it. I I when I said, when I suggested it, I hadn't
looked at their kind of roster tosee if they've already done it. But
if they have done it, I'mlooking at it. I'm pulling it and
listening. So because I'd like toknow what they think about it. I
think I think the how did thisget made? Guys actually did Jupiter Ascending
also, so that might be worthI think. So. Yeah, they

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did the Devil's Advocate, which ishilarious also, so oh though one with
Shirley and yeah yeah Keanu Reeves,who I'm of course I'm in the tank
for. So yeah, yeah,all right, well, yeah, since
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already. We're getting towards the endof this here and and be good to
have to go out on a highnote with some five star ratings, so
we'd appreciate that. Obviously, gettingto the end of Justified not necessarily the
end of the podcast, so We'lltalk more about that as these episodes,
as these final you know, sixepisodes or so play out. All Right,

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With that said, let's get toour episode basic So synopsis. This
week, Raylan begins to break histies to Harlan as he pursues a new
lead and makes a new alliance totake down Boyd. Meanwhile, a desperate
tie comes to Boyd and Ava witha proposition. And this episode written by

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Chris Provenzano and VJ. Boyd,both names that we have heard a lot
on this show. They are veryprolific Justified writers, producers, and even
I think directors on occasion, directedby Gwyneth hord Or Payton. She's good
for one episode a season, usuallyas a director. And then Ryan Dorsey

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is our guest star. This week, let's talk about Earle. So this
is Earl, who is Carl's brother, one of Boyd's gang, Ava's official
babysitter. He's gotten pretty prolific inthe years since he was on Justified.
He's got a lot of credits.He's on a show called Big Sky,
which is I think takes place inMontana, and he's been in five episodes
of that pretty good run there.He was on nine to one one.

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He was in four episodes of Yellowstone, four episodes of Bosh, which is
a show that I'm told is,you know, spiritually similar to Justified.
I would say maybe not, maybenot an identical or anything like that,
but generally speaking, what I've heardis that people who like Justified will like
Bosh and vice versa. Ray Donovana great show that well, great show

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for you know, three or fourseasons, and then in a very hopelessly
average show after that. He wasin four episodes of Ray Donovan as a
recurring character. He's He's been ona show that I really enjoy called You're
the Worst. It starts ay orI don't know how to pronounce her name
cash. It is a offbeat comedy, multi camera. I mean it takes

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place in la and the two maincharacters one's a pr person and one's a
a writer, a novelist, andthey are terrible, terrible people, and
they end up in a relationship witheach other after meeting at a wedding,
and it's it's really really good.If you haven't checked out You're the Worst,

(10:18):
check it out. You think you'reYou start out thinking you're watching just
a screwball offbeat comedy, and thenyou realize about three seasons in that you're
actually watching a meticulously constructed show aboutmental illness and the effect it has on
people in maybe the funniest possible waythat can be portrayed. It's it's fantastic.

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Check out, You're the worst.If you get a chance, I
recommend it strongly. Also Southland,which which we always mention whenever it comes
up on the show because why becauseof the OC. Because of the OC's
right. So he was in anepisode of south Land and also an episode
of Parks and Reck. So yeah, Southland, one of the main characters

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is Ryan from the OC and uhand so yeah, that's uh, that's
Ryan Dorsey Earl. That's the that'sthe only guest star we're going to get
to this week. So that meansit's time to take a quick trip back
to the week of March tenth,twenty fifteen and see what was going on
in popular culture. Use that isnot the right audio stak. That might

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be the first time that's ever happened. Let's try this. Are you telling
me you built a time machine kindof area? So our number one movie,
as you remember last week I thinkwe had a new number one movie.
I can't remember what it was,but it then we have another new
one this week, the lat one. Last week I think we only grossed
like twenty four million or something likethat. This one, Oh yeah,
only seventeen point six million. ChappyChappy, which is a Hugh Jackman movie

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about a robot. I think it'sinsane. I think it takes place in
South Africa. Oh oh yeah,it's like an AI robot cop or something.
I think. I don't I don'tknow exactly. I've not I never
saw the movie, so I don'tknow. That's just the vibe I got
from it. So what was thatone? Remember that movie from the eighties
that was a robot? I can'teven think of the name that. Remember.

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It's like the robot cop or somethinglike that. Oh, like RoboCop,
not robo cop. It was likethe robot. Yeah, actually that
was probably that probably holds up themost short circuit. Are you thinking of
a short circuit? Is that reallywhat you're thinking of? That's what he
was. Yeah, he was adefense robot, not a cop. He
was like a military defense robot.Is alive? That was what That's the

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that's that's the movie where that oneguy plays ah in brown he does he
does brown faces. That's yeah,that that didn't age well. I don't
think the eighties were a different times. Certainly were I love how it's you

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know, even though everybody in theeighties knew, well, we can't do
blackface, they were like, well, unless it's this movie about the guy
who tries to get into Harvard,or it's this movie about a talking robot
with a soul, then we cando blackface. It'll be okay. We're
portraying them as, as you know, good people or bad like the people

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who like the guy who wore blackfacewas a bad person in that movie,
and this person, this person's ahero, so of course it's okay to
portray him in brown face. Hilariousand uh shameful. Also and as a
kid, you know, you nevereven notice, like you never even I
know, you don't like that,like the Duke's a hazard, like the

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Ridge series way back when you hadthat the I think they airbrushed it out
for the rebate because obviously there wasa rebate of the Confederate flag on top
of the General Lee. Yes,we probably even can't even say General Lee
anymore. Oh, I think youcan still say general. I think yeah,
yeah, yeah, those dupe boysgot themselves in a little bit of

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trouble again. I remember what Iwas. I was, Ah, if
you can't tell, I've, I'veYou know, I don't mind attention,
which is weird because I'm kind ofan introvert in my normal in my regular
life. But you know, I'mdoing a podcast that and putting it out

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there on the internet, so Idon't mind attention. I was in I
was in the musicals and plays inhigh school. You know, I did
not know this. Yeah, Idon't know if you knew this or not.
I think I may have told thisstory before or not, this this
particular story, but I may havetold some stories about that. But this
particular story, I remember we weredoing auditions and one of the guys came

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in and you know, you hadto read, but you also had to
sing and h and so this guycame in ready to read, but he
didn't realize he was going to haveto sing, and so he uh,
he goes, Okay, well Idon't have anything prepared, so I'll just
sing the opening credits song to theDukes of Hazzard do some good old bowls.

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He got up there and sang thewhole thing. It was fantastic.
Did he did he get the part? He got a part? Yeah?
Absolutely, yeah, a singing party. Yeah. I thought you were going
to go with it because I wasjust thinking, oh, just like Ryan
from the OC, just like that'sright, yeah, I would have that

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would fly. Now it probably wouldn'teven fly at all, right, just
you know, like singing that thatwas singing the dukes of Hazard. Oh
probably not. I mean that's WhyalenJennings right, he's not canceled as far
as I know. But yeah,anyway, and then a number one top
forty song for it's ninth week ina row, dominating the charts, crushing

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the competition. Uptown Funk, BrunoMars great song. By this point,
I think everybody had heard it enough, but it's still it's still super popular.
When's Taylor Swift gonna show up?Well, Taylor Swift is there,
right, So, like if youlook at the if you look at the
songs, I mean like she's gottwo in the top ten, she's got

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two songs Style and blank Space.I don't know style, I know blank
space. She got two in thetop ten, and then she's got like
another couple down the down the chart, shake it offs down there. Yeah.
So so Taylor Swift is definitely there, she's just not dominating at this
point with And you know what's funnyis something because what was this ten years

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ago? There was Yeah, thiswas well six years seven years ago,
so two I'm sorry, eight yearsago, twenty fifteen. So yeah,
now somehow she's even bigger now,way bigger, man, way bigger,
way bigger now the queen of allmedia is what she like, She's she's
in charge. I was go inlove with her. Oh yeah, I

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mean she's a pretty lady, Avery pretty lady. I solitude. Yeah,
I'm not going to say anything negativeabout her on this podcast. Fight
me, I don't. I don'twant the Swifties coming for me. How
dare you? I can handle justabout anything, but I can't handle the
Swifties. I know that. SoI think I mentioned this before. They'll

(17:33):
box you, and they will,they will come after you. When when
they When she was in town forthe for the summer tour, like I
think it was back in April herein Las Vegas, Man, it was
like an invading army of sequins andher face everywhere, sequins and wristbands and

(17:57):
Taylor Swift and face everywhere. Yeah, and people just bursting into song at
random moments. That's just like they'reall in the same gig. It's such
a weird you know, Like,yeah, absolutely, it's like the same
gang. I it's such a it'sit's I think it resonates with us as

(18:18):
a society. We're gonna get alittle deep for a second here. I
think it resonates us with us asa society because right now we're so sort
of there's no commonality in anything wedo. You know, there's five hundred
scripted TV shows. Nobody watches thesame stuff that the person next to them
watches, Like, you know,you'll ask about a show and they're like,
I've never even heard of that show. Like like, there's so little

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commonality in everything we do because there'sso many options available to us that something
like a movement like this tailor Swiftthing has really kind of captured the imagination
because we're like we can't even remembera time it's been. It's gotten so
bad. We can't even remember atime when you know, a bunch of

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people agreed on something like that,like the last time, I can think
of this as like Game of Thrones, but it's not anywhere close. You're
right, You're right, And Ithink, like and see, I wonder
how much of that is also likeher vision, you know what I mean,
Like because she's she's planning for worlddomination. She's made some very very

(19:29):
savvy Oh yeah, she's an exceptionalbusiness person. Yeah yeah, I pitched
that idea over that. I waslike, oh, we should go watch
that movie, her movie. Ohyeah, just then we can just like
comment on it. Yeah, ifit were on streaming, I would have
done it. But man, Ijust I can't go to a theater and
that it's gonna be like that athree hours. Is it like her whole

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concert? Pretty much? Yeah?Geez yeah, it's a little too much,
Okay. I mean, look,some of those songs have more hooks
than a tackle box. I getit, like right, I mean,
they're very catchy, but I don'tthink I can listen to it for three
hours. I'd start getting confused,like, wait a minute, didn't she

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already play this song? She's hypnotizethat's right, that's exactly right. And
now she's the Queen of the NFL, and the queen, yes exactly.
You know, the NFL was like, you know, I've said this about
the NFL for years. They're notgoing to be happy until they have all
of the money, like literally allof the money. And I think the

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NFL has now decided, Okay,you know what, we can partner with
this person because she also wants allof the money, and so maybe she
can have her portion of the moneyand we can have our portion, and
together we'll have all of the money. So that certainly seems where things are
heading. Oh yeah, it does, doesn't it. Yeah, it does.

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So all right, well that getsus through our trip back to the
week of March tenth, twenty fifteen. So let's get into the episode.
So as a reminder, this isthe Arlow Creepy Cabin episode. That's how
I remember it, and we'll justcover that very very briefly here. So
basically, at the the open ofthe episode, you've got rail and getting

(21:25):
drunk. He's cleaning out Arlo's housebecause he's apparently decided to sell it.
We know that and not the tiewalker, but that's right, he's clearing out
Arlo. Shit, everything goes inthe trash except for the army footlocker.
So he opens up the army footlocker, peruses through it a little bit.

(21:45):
He's drinking while he's doing all ofthis, and literally he's just throwing
everything away into these black garbage bags, flushing medications down the toilet, you
know, taking bullets out of outof guns and everything else. And he
goes into this this foot locker andhe finds his whole stack of letters from
his mom to his to to Arlowpresumably when Arlow is a nom. He's

(22:10):
got and you wouldn't have thought thatArlow would be the sort of sentimental guy
who would hold on to all ofthose letters he got from Francis while he
was a nom. But he did. Yeah, And Raylan doesn't care.
He doesn't open him, he doesn'tlook at him, he doesn't even think
about him. He just throws himback in, takes that foot locker out

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into his front yard and lights iton fire keeping one thing, and one
thing only, a key that wason a dog tag chain. He burns
the dog tags too, which,you know, look, Arlow deserves all
of that. Arlo is a scumback. So so that was that was interesting.
But I was surprised to see thatRaylan didn't want to find out more

(22:52):
about his mom than what his momwould write to Arlow while he was in
Vietnam. You know, yeah,it seems like something that you would at
least peruse through. Yeah, yousee that stack of letters. It be
impossible for me and not like atleast open it up and look at it.
Yeah, especially if my mom waswas pasted, right, w'd be

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yeah, sort of a way toremember her a little bit. But but
Arlow doesn't want to remember or I'msorry, Raylan doesn't want to remember Arlow
at all. So we see,uh, we see a scene where Raylan's
having his parents exhumed and he's talkingto the the Undertaker about it, which

(23:36):
always makes me think of Dewey Crow. What are you the Undertaker? That's
right, that's a good one.So I uh so, So the the
Undertaker's there and he's telling him,hey, look, you know your mom
has been dead for a long time. You're really moving more of an idea
of your mom, not actually yourmom, especially since Arlow put her in

(23:57):
an unvaulted wooden casket. It thecheapest piece of shit available, is what
Raylan declared it. That's right,and he then repaid the favor by putting
Arlow in the cheapest piece of shitavailable. And so he's having his parents
exhumed and uh and and we findout that, you know, his mom's

(24:19):
going to go to a cemetery,but his dad, the undertaker, wants
to know, Hey, what aboutArlow? And he goes, I don't
I don't care where you put him. He goes, what about Potter's field?
And that is actually our word ofthe week. That's where this audio
sting comes in. You use yourtongue prettier in a twenty dollars indeed,
And so Potter's field is anoun.It's a public burial place for paupers,

(24:45):
unknown persons, and criminals. That'su. That's what a Potter's field is
if you didn't know. And Ilove I love the poppers, unknown persons,
and criminals, and I'm like,well, Arlow definitely fits in one
of those category, at least oneof those categories. So so Arlow is

(25:06):
going to end up, you know, rotting in a field somewhere. And
well, except at the end wefind out and we can actually just skip
to that right now. Uh,Raylan goes to check out. So he
got that key right off of thedog tags, and he goes to check
out the shed on the property somewhereI don't know where on the on Arlow's

(25:27):
property. This is uh, it'sa it's a powered shed that's like a
murder shed. It's wild. Hegoes in and it's just like this open
space and it's dark and earthy,and it's like, oh my god,
this is where you torture a humanbeing in this room, right, And
apparently Arlow just went there to getget away from everything and be quiet.

(25:52):
Man cave. Yeah, yes,yeah, literal man cave exactly, And
and he finds it empty. Andso we get this this scene, this
weird scene with with ray Berry comingback to play irredeemable scumbag, Arlow Givens
for a few minutes and and givingrail In a hard time about believing that

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there was something evil in that space. And you know, I have I
have a few notes on this,but my main note is that I'm smart
enough to understand that the empty roomrepresents the past at the same time as
fear and you know, unwarranted fear. But I'm not smart enough to understand

(26:37):
what they're trying to say about it. So I get what it represents,
but I don't get like what they'retrying to say about it with regard to
to rail And if it's maybe it'slike when you confront your fears, you
realize that it's just that all ofthose are just an empty room or something
like that. But I don't know. I'm not smart enough to figure that
one out. They didn't give meenough clues to understand. But yeah,

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I have nothing to add. ButRaylan eventually decides to not dig up his
parents and just grabs his headstone instead, and the undertaker asks where he wants
to send it, and he's like, your guess is as good as mine.
So we don't know. We don'tknow what the hell is going on
there. But his parents are stayingon the property and he's going to sell
the property with them in the groundthere. So I think it's just through

(27:22):
that plot point. If you wouldyou keep the body, like let's say
that you're in the new property order, you buy a house. The house,
would you leave that cemetery there?That's an interesting question. There's a
lot of laws and rules about that. Wheah. A lot of times when
you buy a property that has acemetery on it, you will there'll be

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restrictions in the deed about what youcan do or can't do with with that
space. Sometimes you even have toprovide access to as part of the deed,
you'll have to provide access to thepeople who are mourners, people who
are relatives of that that person,to come and visit the site. Interestingly,

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there's a situation that like this inVal Kilmer's autobiography. He talks about
it because his dad is in acemetery that's not really a cemetery and a
plot that's not really a plot onland that belongs to someone else, and
so in order to visit his father'splot, he has to have access to

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that other person's property. It's interestingto read like an easement sort of thing.
Sort of yeah, yeah, it'ssort of an easement. It's a
restriction on the deed and a restrictionon what you can and can't do with
the land. And there's a bunchof rules we won't get into. The
rule against perpetuities, which is themost boring and at the same time fascinating
legal rule that's been in place forhundreds of years. That it is impossible

(29:03):
to understand. Also, so wewon't get into that that that's not that's
not for the show. That's fora different show. But what if they
came back to haunt the property?Right? Yeah, okay, buying up
buying a property that has big Footon it him? Or do I have
to live with him? Or isit like as bigfoot like a person,

(29:26):
you know, like if you're gonnaget charged with murder? Yeah, yeah,
exactly. Maybe you just eat him. I don't know how it works,
Just roast him on a spit there, like boy like Boyd in the
uh with the pig the last episode, so you know what, I didn't

(29:47):
realize and and uh, shame onyou listeners for not pointing this out to
us via email or via X.By the way, uh, the pig
died in the episode, and Boydkilled a pig in the episode. I
totally miss that connection. So shameon me and shame on the listeners for

(30:07):
not putting two in together there.But Boyd and Ava arrive home after finding
out about the pick and and Boydtells Earl to escort Ava home, tells
her to start packing because it's timeto get out Boyd's made the decision that
hey, you know what, weneed to get some money together to get
out of town, and then weneed to bail. This is over.

(30:30):
He's he's still hoping to hit thesafe, right. He still wants to
get that money if he can.But but if that that is proving to
be difficult, too impossible. He'she seems to be ready to take off
if he needs to. And hegives her her phone back and says,
hey, this is our only lifelineto Raylan. We've got to coordinate our
communications. We can't screw this upbecause it's a you know, something we

(30:53):
can only do one time. Wecan't screw it up. And and so
Earl and a head home and theyfind Walker in their house in the house
when they arrive home, and Walkertakes them hostage. And we'll talk a
little bit more about about what happensand how that plays out here in a
minute. In the meantime, Raylan'smeeting with the undertaker is interrupted when Tim

(31:18):
arrives and Tim has what I considerto be a very valid question about naming
conventions in Harlan County, and Ihave a clip happened near long did I
interrupt a goat sacrifice. Tim,what's up? All leads on Walker's movements
are coming from conflicting sources. Ipetition Rachel, I come back down free,
group of teams, evaluate the leads. Dude, what happened to you

(31:41):
here? Long? So you're gonnawork out of here? Good? You
can watch the place where I'm going? Are you heading out? Oh?
Be a peach and run down aneyewitness out in London saw suspicious character on
our lawn and any work in theman You're twenty four hours on the fan
couch. Are done, I'm backto work. I just say, looking
for Walker? Does that have anythingto do with him? Lead came up
with him? My own unrelated tothe Walker thing. Zachariah Randolph. Let

(32:06):
me guess, local boy. Howcome no one down here is ever named
Steve or Justin Davis Ken, hermaiden name being Randolph. Practical question?
When can I tell Acting Chief Brooksto expect you back on job number one?
Getting Boyd crowd? Or is jobnumber one? So we see Raylan
has decided that he is done messingaround. He's got to go after Boyd.

(32:30):
He is he had to shoot abunch of merks He's like, this
is not what I'm here for.I've got to get Boyd. I've got
to get him now, and thisis not developing quickly enough for my taste.
So he's gonna inspire things a lot, but I do. Tim makes
a great point when he says,nobody's named you know Steve or Kevin.

(33:00):
That's right, well, Tim,you know Tim so well, Yeah,
but he's not. He doesn't lookthat's perspectives. I'm saying, like he's
like, what was Zachariah boy boy, Zachariah Bowman, Dickey Dewey coover coover.

(33:22):
Yeah, there's there's definitely no normalkind of named people here, even
Shelby, Like Shelby is not anormal first name. It's a weird first
name. No offense if your nameis Shelby, I didn't call you abnormal.
Sorry, I shouldn't use the wordnormal. It's not a common first
name. I would say. It'slike, you know, in the wire,

(33:44):
like everybody had like their side name, right oh yeah, yeah,
yeah, yeah yeah, their realname and then their their nickname, their
street name. Fat face Rick ismy favorite old face Andre yeah, because
he does look old so he does. I'm in season four right now.

(34:07):
Actually, speaking of old face,Andre I'm watching. I'm like, yeah,
I'm I'm keeping up with again.Another podcast that I will that I
will recommend. Pod Yourself A isthe podcast, and uh, it's Pied
Yourself The Wire right now they're doingthey did all they've done all the seasons
up to this point. They're inthey're about to wrap up season four and

(34:31):
uh, it's it's very entertaining.It's the Frogcast guys, the Vince Vncini
and oh geez, why can't Iremember Matt leeb So, yeah, they're
great. Cool that they're still doingthat. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
they did the Sopranos. Now they'redoing The Wire and who knows what they're
gonna do next, but if it'sa show, I'm going to continue listening.
Yeah, Pid Yourself, Pod Yourselfa Gun or pid Yourself the Wire.

(34:53):
It's all the same feed, samepodcast. That's cool. So and
check out their patrio on too.I know, uh those guys, you
know, they're they're they don't haveday jobs, so you gotta gotta help
them out. They put it.They put out some really really quality content
and uh and you should you shouldsupport them. So all right, let's

(35:15):
see Boyd. So, speaking ofZachariah, Boyd has a conversation with Zachariah
because Zacharai is down in the mine, he's packing his ship up. He's
like, I'm done. You know, the pig's dead. I'm this this
job is over for me. Boydcorrectly identifies that as manipulation. Uh and
Uh asks asks Zachariah, Okay,what's the number, Like, how much

(35:36):
more are you trying to take mefor? And does? Zacharai is like,
all right, ten would do it. And Boyd says, I'll give
you five and that's it. Andthen he says, and by the way,
you got two days we gotta getWe got to get there in two
days. The ticking, the clockis ticking and uh, and Zachariah says,
well, that means dynamite time.Baby, So Boyd Boyd authorizes him

(35:58):
to go ahead and use the dynamite. Raylan then pays him a visit and
there's a giant box of dynamite sittingthere when Raylan shows up and he he
interviews zachari a little bit and theyget in a little bit of a fight
and Raylan just barely edges out thealcoholic coal miner old man in the fight

(36:25):
and finds the box of dynamite,and you know what he does. He
covers it back up and says,Okay, I'm not going to take you
in because he wants things to moveall. He's not exactly sure what they're
doing with that dynamite yet, buthe knows they're not blowing someone up,
and so he says, you knowwhat, that's fine, let's go.

(36:46):
Let's let's get this money, Let'sget this this show on the road.
I want to go to Florida.Who can blame him? Winter is coming,
as they say, it's funny thatthey you know, Raylan is always
walking into you know, like placeslike that, right, Like I just
had a note here that compared toin Elba's character where he like, have

(37:08):
you seen that video where he's like, oh, shut the door. The
video, I don't think, oh, there's this like there's this thing that
like every like when somebody's leaving theoffice on the wire I'm talking about,
he's like shut the door, likelike so everybody's you should be shutting doors
and locking the doors the room.You can't just be doing stuff out there

(37:30):
exactly. Just in an open barnwithout a door. He just covers it
with a tart that's on the table, Like, oh, that's subterfuge.
How does the how does the wolfsay it? If John Q Lost starts
sticking his snout in the car,the subterfusualas it won't last. Yeah,

(37:52):
but that's to be fair, youknow, like it's uh, it's tough
to cover the blood stage. Somebody'shead gets blown. Yeah, exactly,
it's like what happened here? Oha watermelon exploited. So yeah, So

(38:14):
Raylan is is ready to encourage this, this effort, to encourage this effort
to take the money. He's he'stired of waiting. And I mean while
this is going on, Ava isat home stitching up Markham and he has

(38:34):
an offer he wants to make,and he is he's waiting for Boyd to
return home to make that offer.And then when Boyd does return home,
Walker attempts to attempts to get aword in edgewise before he gets pistol whipped.
Fails h And then once he getspistol whipped, Boyd listens to what

(38:57):
he has to say and Walker says, I know the vault combination. You
don't need to blow open the vaultor you know, take the door off
or anything like that, because Iknow the combination. We can get the
money, we can walk right in, go down there, take the money,
and walk right out because there ain'tnobody watching it, and because all
the other guys are dead, aregone, and I mean, it's a

(39:20):
pretty compelling invite Boyd's in. Uhuh. And so you know, while
they're sort of figuring out their plansand what they're gonna do, Raylan eventually
shows up. And much to yourpoint, you know, Raylan shows up
right as they're in the midst oflike serious criminal activity, and he's just

(39:43):
salivating, just just ready. Andso we'll get to that in a second.
Here. I want to talk alittle bit about about the Mark them
interaction first. But but and canI just mention that Ava looked so phenomenal
at her say goodbye to the shirt? Oh yeah, her, Yeah,
because she had to she had totake her her whatever shirt she had over

(40:05):
her tank top on to stitch upWalker. Somehow this white tank top that's
got the boobies out on display.Uh, not a drop of blood anywhere
on her from stitching up this guy'sgunshot wound with no gloves on, pristine,
pristine, pristine white boobies. Yeah, well she probably had an apron.

(40:30):
You know, it was her kitchen, right. Ty was worried about
that, so he hit it too, Yeah, along with the cutlery and
the guns. Yes. What hedidn't know is that he should have hid
the frying pants based on President askdevil how that goes. So let's catch

(41:02):
up a little bit on some stuffthat's happened with Catherine Hale and Win while
these other things are going on here, right, So so Catherine Hall shows
up to wins Hotel suite at ninepoint thirty in the morning to have a
conversation about who the rat is.And I'm gonna play a clip of this
first and then we'll talk a littlebit about it. Is there any ice,

(41:23):
Mikey? What was listening? Wewent to the dry cleaners. I
don't have a single clean shirt thatgoes with these pants. I thought I
went Tuesday. Well, I don'thave a lot of time. I'm playing
tennis with my shitheads sister in law. It'll be the fall as I go
on. If I'm late. Wheredo you play? We should play double
sometime? Dated a tennis pro fora while. I'll go to the cleaners.

(41:44):
If you want proof, Mark comesto rat This is it. Do
you remember a gentleman by the nameof Gordon Keith. Maybe Beard wouldn't shut
up about Lee Harvey as well,that's the one. Yeah, kind of
wheels off if I remember. Ifyou read that file, you may also
remember his weapon of choice as ashotgun. Simon Pool, the US attorney,

(42:09):
Yes, shotgun in the street.Yeah, the FEDS keep trying to
put that one on me. Theworld's an unjust place, Catherine, all
right, so this indicts Avery hap, I'm getting to that. Two days
after your husband was put in lockup, the aforementioned Gordon Keith was picked
up for shoplifting a bottle of va guy opened. No, Gordon Keith
is not a vodka man. Twodays after Gordon's arrest, your husband is

(42:32):
found dead in his cell. Thenand only then does Gordon Keith make bad?
When didn't Gordon Keith work for you? He worked with me, he
worked for Avery Markham and now andnow well, now he's dead. Convenient
occupational hazard. Well, I willread the file. Oh, carry's more

(42:52):
weight than that rock on your finger. Hm. You know Avery's getting sick
of this mess in Harlan is menalthe place crawling with Marshalls. Now,
he was unable to reach board lastnight, but when last we spoke,
he was well aware of the urgencyof the situation. Yeah, then again,
if he doesn't get it in time, maybe it's not the end of

(43:13):
the world. Oh, I'm MaryAvery. We take his money a year
from now, two years from now, it doesn't really matter. I'll have
access to his entire bank account.Seems like I'm a third wheel in that
scenario. I wouldn't be too anxiouswhen I'm just thinking out loud. So

(43:38):
a little bit of love from whenfor Catherine there, Hey, we might
have a good way to prove herethat Markham's the rat, which was inspired
because you know, Markham sort ofaccused Catherine of being the rat in the
last episode or two episodes ago whenhe proposed and you know, Catherine now

(44:01):
is kind of second guessing herself asto whether or not Avery was the rat
after all. And uh, Ilove I love There's There's a few things
that went on in this clip thatI really enjoyed. First was Mikey just
being a complete jackass, right likelike, Oh, he loves the glock

(44:24):
and and he's like, oh,we should play doubles. And the look
that Catherine gives him after he interjectsinto the conversation, it's just like,
Hey, you are not part ofthis conversation, friend, you need to
shut up. Mikey had you know, yeah, you missed one hundred percent

(44:44):
of the shots. You don't exactlyright, Mikey from Justified, Michael Scott,
Michael Jordan's so so yeah, there'sthat, And then there's also this
whole concept that that Wind got guacon his dress shirt because he was eating

(45:07):
guacamole at nine thirty in the morning, maybe on toast. Maybe he was
the first guy to come up totoast. Yeah. But but what I
found more amusing about that about thatwas that Catherine walks in and she's like,
at nine thirty in the morning,as she's digging for ice at the
bar for her bourbon, let's try. It's like and there's three different conversations

(45:35):
going on at once, and Mikeyapparently the whole operation is falling apart because
Mikey hasn't gone to the dry cleaner. Mikey hasn't gotten fresh ice. I
don't know what the hell Mikey's doing, but he's not doing his jobs.
That's just not doing his job.You know. By the way, during
COVID, my like people were doingsour dough. I perfected guacamole. Oh

(46:00):
yeah, it perfected your own.Yeah. So you don't go to that
that place that makes it at thetable anymore. No, no, I
I I've discovered, like adding garlicis fantastic, like rod garl like and
then and then I like spicier thangenerally like pieces make it. Put a
little crush red pepper in there.What are you doing? Hobb an arrow,

(46:21):
hobb an arrow. Wow, okay, I'm I'm hardcore now. I
guess that's a spicy squak. Alittle bit of lime juice, A little
bit of lime juice, not toomuch purple onion. Yeah, lime juice,
purple onion, salt and pepper.Sounds pretty good. If you like
avocados, if you like that sortof thing, Yeah, you don't like
do you think cilantro? Do youthink tastes like so oh you know,

(46:43):
I like sandro? Yeah, Rachel. Rachel has the genetic thing where she
can't tastes like soap. Yeah,exactly, yeah, okay, yeah,
but I like Sandra, I likeit on my my carnaitis real. Yeah.
Yeah, that's good too, redsauce and carnaitis and cilantro. It's
good stuff. Best the world inSan Diego. Yeah it is. It's
some of the best Mexican food ingeneral, is in San Diego. Yeah.

(47:07):
I was gonna say the carnatis manthat, like, I haven't eaten
yet, like dinner. Oh soI'm just like sitting there, like I
just have that bubble in my headof food. Yep. It's like it's
like the guy on a desert islandlooking at his companion, he turns into
a turkey. That's true. Ohgoodness, that's funny. All right.

(47:35):
Oh that reminds me of that remindsme of a joke I heard, but
I'm not going to tell it.I'm just on the podcast. Never mind.
I saved it for the the onlyfans. Oh that's a good idea.
Yeah, I'll put it on thetwinter. The reason the reason I
thought about it is because there's aclip of it that joke being told by
the woman who played Blanche in TheGolden Girls and Betty White. So they're

(48:00):
between scenes or whatever, and thewoman who played Blanches telling that joke,
and Betty White is cracking up listeningto the joke. It's if you can
find the clip, check it out. It's it's very very funny. We
might put it. I'll put itup on the Twitter after after we released
this podcast, so you can findit. But uh yeah, So Raylan

(48:21):
goes to Markham with a proposal.So Raylan says, hey, we've got
He eventually gets to the point withMarkham or Markham realizes, holy shit,
you're not the one who's trying toscrew me from buying all this land.
You were only talking about your literallyyourself and Loretta. My bigger problem is

(48:43):
Boyd Crowder And I didn't realize thatBoyd Crowder was my bigger problem. And
he's your problem too, and so, uh, you know, Markham says,
oh, you know, after allthe posturing or whatever, our objectives
are aligned or something to that effect, and Raylan's like, well, I
wouldn't go quite that far. Wehave a common enemy. The enemy of

(49:06):
my enemy is my friend, butnot much more than that. We're not
pulling the sled in the same direction, if you know what I mean.
And you know, Raylan wants Walkerbecause that gets him to Boyd and he
drops a dime on Boyd, tellingMarkham, hey, he's the guy who's
been going around Harlan threatening everybody tonot sell their land to you and Markham.

(49:30):
It occurs to Markham that hey,we have a common problem. We
can maybe remedy this problem. Raylanconvinces him to offer a reward for Walker's
capture. Now, Raylan doesn't knownecessarily that Boyd and Walker are together,
but serendipity does and they are togetherat this point in time. And Markham

(49:55):
offers one hundred K for the captureof Walker, and they get on the
radio and they announce it, andRaylan then heads directly to Boyd's while they're
while he's on the way. Whilehe's in the car on the way,

(50:15):
Walker and Boyd are discussing his exitstrategy. They talk about Limehouse and the
pigshit truck, which sounds like agreat way to get out of Harlan County.
What we're gonna do is they're gonnaput you in a truck full of
pig shit, cover you in it, and then and drive you out of
town. It's probably gonna be anhour or two before you can come out
be awful, and they settle onGroobs, who's some weirdo who lives up

(50:42):
in the mountains. This is notthe last time we hear about groups,
but it is the first time wehear about groups. And Boyd says he's
gonna want some sort of payment,but that money doesn't mean much to a
man who lives up in the mountainslike that, so they're gonna have to
figure something else out. And Walkeris on board with that strategy to get
out via the group's overland route overthrough the mountains, and Boyd and Ava

(51:09):
have a quick sidebar where they're like, hey, you know what, we
can call Raylan and put him onthe wrong track, and so that buys
us some time to get there,get the money, get Walker out of
Harlan County while Raylan is chasing histail on something else that we send him,
and Ava very astutely points out,hey, we can only punch this

(51:32):
ticket one time. Once we dothis, he knows, I'm blown.
We're done. We're dead right.If this doesn't work, we are screwed
in all in all ways and allall forms. But you know, luckily
for them, they don't need tofigure this out, because while while they're
there having a debate about whether ornot to call Raylan, Raylan shows up

(51:58):
and pulls up into the driveway parksand is immediately greeted by Boyd in front
of the house, which of coursesets Raylan's suspicions on edge. Uh,
And I have a clip. Ihave a clip here, and I gotta
tell you this is one of thebest conversations between Raylan and Boyd in the
entire run of the show. AndI think I suspect there's a moment in

(52:22):
here where Tim says something to Waltonand not Raylan saying something to Boyd.
And let's see if we can figureout where that is hopping to, Like,
mister hospitality, let's be having somethinggood, arms long and a welcoming
stance, not a surely something goodis going on inside. Well, you

(52:45):
do have a tendency to interlopen momentsof high drama. But they're saying one
of those moments. Do you evenknow when you're lying anymore? Or is
it just like Lincoln? Well youwon't Rightlan, left over Chicken, It's
all been et to the big badMan called out twenty four hours to get
her done right. I don't understandyour reference. Right now, I'm asking

(53:06):
where your balls are at they canpull off the job board, or am
I gonna die anticipation? Is thatwhy you can help me find my balls?
I came to tell you I'm tiredof waiting, tired of the bullshit
I've been lying to you, boy, and now we're getting someone keeping up
the fiction that I got all mannerof things tying me to Kentucky, things
that forestall my moving to Florida.But there is only the one thing you

(53:31):
You won't lean in four kids?Is that what you think? This is
another one your love stories? Well, I do like happy in it.
Well, this is one of themclassic stories where the hero gets his man,
then he rides off into the sunset. Or maybe it's like that other
classic Well guy chanses well to theends of the earth, only to drown
for his troubles. I got admit, there's a small part of me it's

(53:54):
gonna miss this one's over high.Well, don't get the chize A pie
to the future gets his turn sogood, it's such a great line to
end it on. Don't you legendizethe past until the future gets its turn.
But I do I feel like whenhe says, you know, there's

(54:15):
a small part of me that's goingto miss this. I feel like that's
Tim talking to Walton and not Railand talking to Void. Yeah. The
look he gets on his face andWalton's reaction to that, I I wonder
if that was an ad lib.You know, Oh, it's very possible.
Yeah, Yeah, I like theway he boy says it. Yeah,

(54:37):
you're looking for leftover chicken. It'sall been at. Yeah. You
do have a tendency to interlope inmoments of high drama. It's a fantastic
turn of phrase. Yeah, yeah, well yeah, And then if you
listen to like I guess you know, we obviously watched the the scene as

(55:00):
it's happening, But if I'm justlistening to it, if the timing is
so well done, like not watchingthe video of it. Yeah, but
the audio, like the timing isso well done, I don't know,
it's just so good. You cansee you can almost see the looks on
their faces as they're speaking, right, it's the chemistry is so good.
They've been doing it for so longthey know exactly how to do it.

(55:21):
The pacing is perfect. It's justit's just awesome. It's just awesome.
And yeah, so so they theyhave a little bit more of a conversation.
Ava comes out, takes them insidewhile they're inside rail and explains,
Hey, by the way, Idon't know if you guys have seen Walker
or not, but if you have, there's one hundred thousand dollars reward for

(55:42):
him. And then and then they'relike, oh, yeah, well he's
in the back straight up. Gavehim up. And so as soon as
Walker hears that, he disables andruns out the window or out the back
door and is running through the backyardas Raylan comes out of the house,

(56:07):
shooting backwards at Raylan. Raylan shootshim in the back twice and Walker goes
down. And that's the end ofty Walker, which means we have and
in memoriam, to make I comehere in peace, try to change your

(56:32):
lives, and you call me apeacock, just kidding kap him, will
definitely kill him. I begging thequestion, will your brother over there step
in. I want to splitch ascull open and they send me a pair
of hero's young So Chief Lieutenant toAvery Markham, original villain from season six,

(57:08):
Tywalker rip and gets shot in theback and he can't believe it that
he got shot in the back.I can't believe he shot me in the
back, And Raylan says in ourKentucky Fried Wisdom moment of the Week,
Raylan says, if you wanted toget shot in the front, you should
have walked toward or should have runtoward me, which is hard logic to

(57:30):
argue with. Hey boy, yousay you cover about as much as a
flipper skirt and a high wind.I pay attention, bot, look at
me when I'm talking to you.Look, sister, is any of this
filtering through that little blue body ofthe yours? Pay attention? So I'm
looking at me when I'm talking toyou. So yeah, So that's the
end of of ty Walker and uh, Raylan cleans up the scene. Boys

(57:58):
Lawyer the wild Man show up andRaylan has a little exchange with him and
explains that he's a good lawyer.All the best lawyers have ponytails. I
kind of agree with him on thatthe best criminal lawyers have ponytails. I
will tell you that the uh thesecond mention of that ponytail, right,
I mean, like in the showright, Oh yeah, yeah, yeah,
yeah, I think I think Boydmentioned it, or possibly Raylan mentioned

(58:22):
it. I don't know, butbut yeah, definitely, he's definitely got
the the look of a civil rightsattorney in the sixties and seventies. You
know, it's good. It's agood look. I I you know,
I look at that and I'm like, all right, I I like lawyers
that look like that. I'm abig fan. I hate lawyers who are

(58:45):
crisp and clean in their suit andthose guys are the worst mercenaries. What
does that show on suits is whatit's called? Right? Oh? The
one on the One on You withwith Megan Markle Yes, yes, yeah,
that was like a very us ATV show, So it's it's very

(59:07):
watchable, I would say. Okay, I've heard a lot of good things
about it. The premise of thatshow is that they hire a guy who's
not a lawyer to be a lawyer, right, isn't that the the whole
Yeah? Okay, yeah, likea super smart guy who's got some sort
of weird magical power or what not, like like magical magical but you know,
no photographic memory, and yeah,yeah, it's just I kind of

(59:30):
got sick of it, because likeeverything would be not sick of it.
But I just noticed like that theirthing would always be literally moving papers,
like for like folders, so somebodygets served with the lawsuit. It's a
paper, you know, like it'sall handing papers, okay, kind of
like the Aaron Sarcin thing where they'llwalk down the hall and have a conversation
that's like, once you see it, you can't unsee it. It's right,

(59:54):
had this massive discourse of like whatAarons walk int is what they were
called? Yes, yeah, wellwe'll solve the palest idiot probably what exactly
exactly? God, thank goodness that'snot on right now. God? Yeah.
Preachy, a little preachy, yeah, but so so so Suits and

(01:00:20):
West Wing there you go watch those. Watch those. I haven't watched either.
One. Suits is on the list, although honestly, the fact that
Megan markles and it makes me wantto watch it. Last I find her.
I find her completely objectionable. It'sa very strange, like I don't
know what kind of spell she caston what's his name, Harry, Yeah,

(01:00:43):
yeah, Prince Harry. But yeah, that's a very powerful magic.
Whatever that was the gripper. Youwould think though as a prince, that
wouldn't have been all that uncommon inhis life. So I know, that's

(01:01:04):
what I'm saying. You'd be like, I don't know, Like Eddie Murphy
is coming to America, right,yeah, exactly, gorgeous women everywhere,
Yeah, like that. But whatdoes he do? He goes after the
the air to the fast food fortune. So that's right, mcdowells, McDowell's.
They have the big Mac. We'vegot the Big Mach. They got

(01:01:27):
the Golden Arches, we have theGolden Arcs. It's so good, it's
a classic. But so Raylan,Raylan says the Boyd heye, you know,
his lawyer's there. He's like,hey, you want the reward or
not? And Boyd light laughs itoff a little bit like there's no reward.
He's like, no, this islegit. There's a there's a reward

(01:01:47):
and you can't collect that. Boyd'slike, what's the catch. He's like,
there's no catch. We just gotto go pick it up and uh.
And Boyd immediately when they get there, realizes it's the pizza portal and
mark them open the door and Markovcan't believe it either. They're both furious
at Raylan for embroiling them in thissituation. And Raylan is just like the

(01:02:10):
catu ate the canary, right,He's so happy that it worked out the
like it worked out better than heever could have planned it to work out.
Do you think that that was justhis instinct saying, oh, we're
gonna go see you know, Like, I don't know that that's just his
instinct on Okay, this is whatthese criminals are gonna do. Well.
I think I think he probably figuredthat Boyd once once the word got out

(01:02:36):
on one hundred Grand, Boyd wouldlook for Walker also, and Boyd was
more likely to find Walker than Raylanever was. And so I don't think
he assumed that Boyd and Walker wouldbe in the same place, especially since
they haven't been allies up to thispoint. But I think he assumed that,
you know, if I dangle themoney in front of Boyd, you

(01:02:58):
know what, what what is theone thing that every chit apple redneck in
Harlen County can't resist. If Idangle the money in front of Boyd,
He's going to help me get Walker, and Walker's going to help me get
Boyd. It's like this snake,the Ura Burrows right, snake in in
its own town, yep. Yeah. And so they go down the basement

(01:03:19):
and Avery takes the money out ofthe vault. And it's funny because I
wonder if I obviously I don't thinkRaylan told Markham, Hey, when I
come to collect the money, makesure you take it out of the vault
and show off how much money youhave in your vault. So that was
a choice that Markham made as partof that. You wouldn't think he would,

(01:03:45):
you know, have just it's onehundred grand, right, he had
like he had like two hundred andfifty in his drawer earlier when he paid
off Sea Bass. Yeah, soit's weird that he goes into the vault,
but he does, and both Raylanand Boyd are captivated. There's a
scene where they're both leaning to theone direction to like look in the vault
and there's just stacks and stacks andstacks of money. And I consider this

(01:04:12):
this clip sort of a continuation ofthe prior Boyd railing clip. It's only
a few seconds long, but I'llgo ahead and play it here. Well,
I was born at night running,but I wasn't born last night.
You want me to see that stick. That's why you push for this.
I wanted you to get your duereward. What happened to all that talk
about no more lies? I guessthat was a lie told on your mama's

(01:04:34):
grave. You know, I neverput too much stock in that kind of
shit. No line comes easy toboth of us. It's a hell of
a stack. Huh. You sureyou want me to take that bait?
Because this fox goes for that rabbit. It's all over run tremble with anticipation,

(01:05:05):
so do I? I mean,you know, look, just imagine
watching this again, or remember watchingthis for the first time, right,
and not knowing how the show ends, not knowing how everything plays out,
and thinking to yourself, what thehell's gonna happen here? Like like you
have a thought on what's going tohappen, but you know that however they

(01:05:29):
get there, it's going to beawesome. And it's just so good,
it really is. It's it's wellhere we are in the final stretch,
right, But oh man, andI just keep thinking it would ten million
because more can That can't be hiswhole fortune, right, I mean I
wouldn't think so. Maybe he hasto have like at like properties and you
know other things. He's got propertiesand probably other money somewhere too, I

(01:05:51):
would imagine, and probably you knowmultiple other you know, illegitimate criminal enterprises
that are generating a massive amount ofmoney in various different places. Plus he's
like the king pot King of Colorado, isn't he Like he's he's got you
know, all that income coming inthere from his pop businesses. So that's
what I was thinking, because Imean, that's that would be the legit

(01:06:13):
you know, like if you youknow, all the gangsters want to be
go legitimate, that he seems tome like he if he has that pot
empire, he would be like legitimate. Oh yeah no, and he kind
of has. He kind of hasgone almost entirely legit, right yeah.
And that's why the marshals aren't focusedon trying to get his money, right,
even though Railan sees ten million dollarsin there. And let me tell
you what's going to be more impressivefor your bosses. You bring in ten

(01:06:36):
million dollars that goes into their coffers, or you bring in Boyd Crowder.
I know which one they want,right, yeah? And so if there
were any way to get that moneythey'd be going after that money, but
there isn't it's legit money, andso there's nothing they can do about it,
and except try and get Boid tosteal it. And ten millions enough

(01:06:59):
to to risk for you know whatI mean, like, yeah, that's
enough to like go okay, allright, I'm going to risk going to
jail to steal ten million dollars.That's enough, I think. Yeah,
yeah, I mean he was likefifty thousand or whatever. Yeah, there's

(01:07:20):
boy It's so it is so funnybecause you know, they come, Earl
brings Ava back to the bar andthey celebrate the money, and Eva's like,
hey, we got one hundred grand, let's get the hell out of
here. And Boyd's like, well, wait a minute, I want to
show you something first. He takesher in the back room where he's assembled

(01:07:44):
boxes in roughly the volume of themoney that he saw in the uh in
the vault. And I have alittle clip of that conversation, and it
is it's something we talked about lastweek, right, and and a consistent
element of Boyd's character from the verybeginning of the ast of the series.

(01:08:05):
And here it's a c This isthe exact size of stack of money in
Markhom's vote. It's all in hundredsat the bunnle he gave me. God
damn it. It's gotta be tenmillion dollars. Eva. That's a lot
of money, but a bird inthe hand. Ten million dollars is a
whole lot of birds, baby,boy, there's about one hundred ways to

(01:08:27):
day could have gone wrong, meback in prison, or both of us
shot dead. You keep saying whenwe're done, when we get this money,
Well, we got money. Let'sgo, baby. What are we
gonna do with one hundred thousand dollars? What are we gonna do with ten
million? Boyd Please it will benice. Maybe you know me. I
have never done anything half measure inmy life. I can't start now.

(01:08:50):
Not one is this much meat onthe moon. This is ten million dollars,
baby, ten million dollars, tendollars or ten million? Would you
ever be able to walk away?Do I have a choice? Yes,
that's what this is about. Where'smy phone? I need to meet Rayley
after what happened today. You're inafraid of spill my guts. Beg him

(01:09:14):
to pull me out. I know. You tell him as little as possible
I know that you loved me,ay, and I know even if you
didn't, your smart woman who knowit's a good deal and she sees one.
Now you help right and put meaway. What's he got to offer
you? A clean slate and witnessprotection, a shitty condo in Arizona,
a little bit of money? Howmuch money? Fifty grand? Fifty grand,

(01:09:57):
there's fifty grand and there's ten million, take your pick. I mean,
it's it's quite demonstrative, right,Just you look at that, and
you look at that giant volume ofcash, and I'm sure there's something to

(01:10:17):
be said for not having seen itin person. Right, Like the distinction
between Ava and her desire to getthat money versus Boyd and his desire to
get that money is because it's oneof those It's it's like you were talking
about with the food. Right,Once you've seen it, it's like,
oh my god, I have toexcuse me, I have to have it

(01:10:39):
so and and Boyd you know,I mean, he can't resist. It's
all it's the thrill of the hunt. For Boyd. It's never been about
victory. It's always been about helikes being an outlaw, and that means
plotting hest and stealing. It's like, I don't know, it's like his
his D and D or whatever youwant to call it. It's like it's

(01:11:00):
like his role playing. He's playinga character in everyday life, and and
he's playing a freaking robber, andthat's that's what he does. He robs,
and he's like, I don't knowwhat to do if I'm not gonna
rob and and DA have his pointten dollars or ten million, it wouldn't
matter. We know that. Weknow that, Yeah, yeah, absolutely
know that. And we knew therewas no way he was gonna leave town

(01:11:20):
or one hundred grand? Yeah,can you I just say that, I
like, because I always think ofthis one and then the pile of money
that Walter White had accumulated unit yeah, and then uh and then like because
I think it was like nine millionin like one of those blue barrels.
Also yeah yeah, yeah, becauseit was like thirty million in the big

(01:11:43):
stack, right or whatever, andthat that Huele passed out on that meme.
Yeah he's still there apparently, yeah, but uh but yeah, so
it was like thirty million, andthen he had like I think it was
like barrels or whatever. So therewas probably like five million in each of
those barrels, which is not justnuts ridiculous amounts of money and and toda.

(01:12:10):
You know, Avia says, whatare we going to do a ten
million dollars? And the answer tothat question is anything I want to do.
That's what I That's literally anything Iwant. It's not quite fuck you
money, it's like it was,but it's pretty close. X free.
Ten million gets you pretty close tofucking money. Yeah, yep, yeah,

(01:12:33):
And in any other country in theworld, aside from the United States
and a few Western European nations,it is fucking money. Yeah. Well,
you were just saying, remember youbecause you went to Romani, you
said, exceedingly cheap, exceedingly cheap, Like my ubers cost like eight bucks.
I mean it's for like a twentyminute Uber ride. It's eight bucks.

(01:12:55):
It's it's nuts. And uh,you know, a bottle of water,
like a one eater bottle of water, like an Avion from the corner
store, it was seventy five cents. It's I know, like it's five
dollars in Vegas now for one ofthose, right, it's oh yeah,
it's it was seventy five cents forone of those at the store. It
was It's crazy. I don't evenknow, like, of course everybody smokes.

(01:13:18):
I don't know like how much cigarettesare. I assume they're really cheap
also because yeah, everybody smokes,and that's kind of a bummer. But
god, you know, I wasthinking. The the worst like deal for
water out here was one of theseday clubs, like Marquee or whatever it

(01:13:40):
was. They were charging twenty fivedollars. Oh yeah, during a swim
during the you know, like thewood pool season was up. It's like
twenty five dollars for water. Itwasn't even bottled waters, just water.
So you get like me, youget like a you get like an ice
water that's crazy out like a picturelike every other No, like a cup
like like the the most to thehotels and resorts that I've stayed at have

(01:14:01):
like if you go to the bar, there's like at the pool there's like
a big thing of water. Yeah, and like a like little plastic cups
that you just put it in andit's free. That's crazy that they're charging
twenty five for that. I gotcharged just thirty two dollars for a mini
bar bottle of water at Caesar's Palacein Las Vegas in twenty twenty one,

(01:14:25):
and I'm calling them out on it. It's nonsense. It was it was
a one leader bottle of Fiji andit was thirty two dollars. That same
one lead bottle of Fiji was liketwelve dollars the last time I got it
from the mini bar. They justthey just jacked up the price ridiculously.
And I didn't know until I lookedat my bill after the fact that I'm
like, oh, that sucks.Was it the season? I have those

(01:14:47):
refrigerators where like it has the sensor, Oh yeah, you lift up,
okay, yeah, as soon asyou pick it up, it's yours.
And now they don't have to publishthe pricing anymore because they have it all
on the QR code, right,So it's like, oh and the QR
code for the mini bar menu.And I'm like, I'll just take a
bottle of water. I'm thirsty thirtytwo dollars later. Yeah, And you

(01:15:08):
can't even do that whole Indiana Jonesthing where you take it like if you
go where you go pick one up, yeah, where you get one exactly
where you get one at at Walgreensor whatever to replace it the next morning.
Yeah, nope, that was happeninga lot, I think, and
that's why they put the censor onesin. But I've read a lot of
stuff about mini bars on how expensivethere are to maintain for the hotels and

(01:15:29):
everything else. I'm like, fine, that's great, just don't have it.
Then don't charge me thirty two dollarsfor a bottle of water, sir.
So anyway, Uh yeah, So, so Boyd is committed to stealing
the money. Ava is involuntarily committedto stealing the money. And Ava goes
to meet Raylan and confronts him abouthis uh, his little reward ploy and

(01:15:53):
uh says, hey, you knowthat could have gone really really wrong,
by the way, and then heconfronts her about Bulletville and says, hey,
I know something happened up there.I want to know what it is.
She's like, no, no,we were just hunting and blah blah
blah, and Raylan Raylan kind ofmakes fun of her a little bit for
hunting, and she goes, youcall him me, your redneck, and

(01:16:15):
she's deflecting, obviously, and she'ssensing that there is that Raylan's level of
trust in her is eroding pretty substantially, pretty quickly, and so she says
immediately, she's like, okay,I got to give him something. And
she says, do you know whe'rea Boyd's digging. I can tell you
where it is, and I cantell you what he's doing. And so

(01:16:39):
that puts two and two together forRaylan. He understands now why Zachariah is
involved, why there's dynamite, whatthey're doing, they're coming up from underneath
to get into the vault. Andat the same time, he realizes that
the only the only way Ava givesme that information is if she's burned,

(01:17:00):
and and he says, that's it. Ava's burned. As a witness.
We got to figure out what todo. He calls Rachel and reports it
to her and and that's where ourepisode ends. So that's actually the title
of the next episode is burned.So we uh will find out, you
know, what happens with with Avaand and Raylan and the case against Boyd

(01:17:25):
in the next episode. So anythinganything that I missed that that you had
a comment on, Oh that wasit? Yeah? Yeah, good episode
overall. All right, Yeah,with that, let's get into our let's
get into our final segment, wastelling my friends this morning, now yesterday,
come to me and if you don'tget out of town in twenty four

(01:17:45):
hours, I'm gonna shoot you onesite burnout. Are you gonna shoot him?
I'll give for you before you evenclear your weapons and take more chances
with the other teach you get thechance shot help pull my side ar unless
I'm going to shoot to kill?Are you gonna shoot him? To Raylan?
And Raylan? Here we are Caesaror what is it? Episode eight,

(01:18:08):
episode Yeah, and Raylan performs asuper duper late term abortion on ty
Walker, really really really like veryvery late term. So yeah, and
he was actually that that was theonly his death. Ty Walker's death is

(01:18:30):
the only one on this episode.Yeah, yeah, you know they called
there was something I wanted to mentionwhile we were talking about ty Walker in
his memoriam segment. But you knowthat Sea Bass called him Top. Do
you remember that? Yeah? Yes? Do you know why? I don't
know because apparently top is what youcall a first sergeant, and that's like

(01:18:55):
slang for first sergeant. And that'sthe understanding that every but he has is
that he has been a first sergeantin in Afghanistan. So he's an enlistic
guy. Interesting. Okay, Soall right, Well, with that said,
I think time to wrap it up, So we'll be back in two

(01:19:16):
weeks. Uh, same same place, same same time, roughly with with
the next episode of Justified burned.Until then, like I said, don't
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