S06E10 - Trust - Groundless (A Justified Podcast)

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Rolling down, the build of botonthe speed, a bowl cold there like
a tail all the Tornado ringer promised, soul kids with one hand on the
glass pie, the hover long doubleriding shop gun singing boy, Let's make

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a deal. This is Groundless aJustified podcast. This is a podcast where
we watch every episode of Justified andthen come on here and talk about it.
I'm Chris Batman. Is Randy gota win Duffy epicentric episode? Well,
this iusn't really wouldn't be considered winDuffy centric, but she does make

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up. I'll spend a lot oftime on Sween this episode. He absolutely
does. We get some of this, some great Duffy moments here, some
great Mikey moments. Oh it's sogood, you know, it's funny.
I was. I was reading.I was, you know, as part
of my research for for what wedo here, I you know, sometimes

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look some stuff up about episodes,and I was reading somebody who had written
some reviews of season six back whenit was originally airing. And this person
who loved Justified up until season five, basically was talking about how terrible season
six was, how boy, shecan't stand ava all of these things that

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I was reading through it. I'mlike, man, I feel like you
might be sort of missing the pointhere. This is this is fantastic stuff
now. To be fair, Ithen did go back. I've I in
order to do something that I neededto do for this episode, I had
to go back and watch portions ofsome older episodes. And what I will
say is that the dialogue in seasonsix isn't quite as crisp or snappy as

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the dialogue in season two or seasonthree, even season four. I do
agree sort of with the critique there, but for her to critique sort of
Ava and the performance and the developedthe character arc for Ava, I think
was unfair because I think it's afantastic arc myself. Yeah. Yeah,

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And they does seem to spend alot of time on screen this episode two
she's she does great. Yeah,I think it's a fair criticism about the
dialogue though, I mean, youdon't get the little I don't know how
how would you describe it as sidesor I don't know, just references to
different things as much in this episodeat least the pace, the pacing is

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a little different, the delivery isa little different. It's just not quite
as it's not quite as justified asJustified gets, but it's still it's still
real, real good, especially whenyou compare it to the nonsense that we
watched over the summer. That's true, that's fair, that's fair, and

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this is definitely like I remember thefirst time I watched and I actually I
didn't even remember how this episode went, but the ending was definitely it was
good, fantastic the way that thisepisode ended. Yeah, I wanted to
talk about that. I you know, it's just let's get the intro out
of the way, and now let'sget back to that because I don't want
to talk about that for a minute. It's we're here to talk Season six,

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episode ten of Justified. Only threeepisodes left after this one, an
episode called Trust. It originally airedMarch twenty fourth, twenty fifteen. And
so to your point, I,you know, I was trying to remember
exactly what I was thinking when Iwatched it for the first time too on
March twenty fourth, twenty fifteen,And when I thought when the episode ended

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and and Ava had shot Voyd andhad escaped with the money, I was
like, wait a minute, whatthe hell just happened? And how did
we get to this point, andon reflection, you look at it,
and they do such a great jobin this episode of showing how we get
to this point. You see thewheels turning in Ava's head as she's making

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all of these decisions and left essentiallyin a position where she has no choice
but to do what she did,and it's it's it's really well done.
I credit to the credit to thewriter's. Credit to the directors. Benjamin
Cavell is our writer this week.Adam Arkin, our very own theotnin is

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the director. Always always good fora good episode of Justified. Yeah,
our synopsis this week. With AveryMarkham and Win Duffy's help, Raylan sets
up a trap for Boyd, butAva Informsalen that he didn't take the bait
and offers up a new route toput Boyd away for good. So what

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what did you when you when youwatched this for the first time? Do
you remember kind of what you werethinking? I thought, you know what,
I thought that it was a goodepisode as far as the way that
the parts are moving, you know, and and especially with Ava, where
you see like Raylan has to comeup to her and says, look,
you know, we're at an optionger. Basically, you're you're burned as

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an informant. We haven't gotten anyinformation, and so you're going back to
jail basically, is what he toldher. Yeah. And not only are
you going back to jail, it'sout of my hands. Yeah, yeah,
which is the I don't I knowit was a cop out really,
I mean it it's just a fact, right, I mean Basquez wants to

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bring the weight of the US governmentdown around her ears. How how is
Raylan supposed to stop that? Yeah? Yeah, yeah, but I yeah,
And like I said, I thinkthe just remembering or not remembering.
But this, this ending, howthis episode ended, was fantastic. Yeah,
and such a great cliff. Ohyeah, we're like what it's going

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to end there? Exactly. Yeah. At our guest star this week,
we only have one, but boyis she an important person. I want
to talk a little bit about kKallen. And it's first name Ka,
just the letter K no no,not kay or anything like that. I'm

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not sure if it's short for something. She's Loretta's grand aunt, a grand
grand aunt in this episode, andshe's been on TV for sixty one years,
including in twenty twenty three and ashow called poker Face on Peacock or
Hulu. I think it is.It's got the the woman from American Pie,

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the one who hit a bunch ofpeople with her no no, no,
no, no no, the onewho hit a bunch of people with
their car. She was only inlike the first one, or maybe the
first and the second one. Shewas also in a show called The Russian
Doll. I think Natasha Leone.I think her name is. Oh yeah,

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okay, so she's that. It'slike a it's a I think it's
a riff on Colombo actually, becauseI think she sort of talks like Colombo
and she's like a human lie detector. That's the whole premise of the show.
Okay, But I have it onmy list to watch. I've heard
I've heard good things about it.But getting back to k Callen. So

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her first credit on screen nineteen sixtytwo, in an episode of a show
called Route sixty six. But Ithink more importantly she played She was in
an episode of All in the Familywhich was called Cousin Liz and Cousin Liz
is an important episode of television becauseshe actually portrayed a lesbian on that show.

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And she was the longtime lesbian loverof Edith's aunt who passed away.
And there's a whole sequence where theygo to the aunt's house and there's this
silver tea service that's worth like twothousand dollars, and that's the thing that

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Edith stands to inherit from her aunt. And she has a conversation with Kay
Callan's character who explains that, youknow, I've had tea with your aunt
every day for the last twenty fiveyears, using this tea service where more
than just friends were you know,we're together, we were lovers. And

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this was in nineteen seventy seven,by the way, on broadcast television,
and the episode won an Emmy forwriting. And by the way, Norman
Lear, who was the creator ofAll in the Family, just passed away,
so this is relevant also in thatregard. But the belief is what

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he said was that he thinks thatepisode re ran on television the weekend before
the election in California. And theelection in California, there was an initiative
on the ballot called the Briggs Initiative, which would have barred gay and lesbian

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people from working in public schools.And this was in nineteen seventy seven,
and it was defeated, and NormanLear always sort of insinuated that he thinks
that the airing of this episode,in the rerunning of this episode just before
the election, was part of whathelped to defeat that ballot initiative. So

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so this is I mean, youknow, she's a bit of a trailblazer
as far as television is concerned.God, was that in the seventies?
That one was nineteen seventy seven.Yeah, yeah, I mean, just
think about think about that for aminute, right I I you know,
I'm I'm of course far younger thanyou. I wasn't even born in nineteen

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seventy seven. I can't even imaginewhat it must have been like to have,
you know, people having a conversationabout lesbians on TV in nineteen seventy
seven, and you know, allin the family blazed a lot of trails,
and that was that was one thathad to be pretty interesting to see
a reaction to the next day.I'm guessing, well, I wonder how
people would even No, I guessit would maybe be in the newspapers and

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stuff, but like you would wonder, how would people talk about it on
Twitter or something to be where arethey gonna complain on how they're gonna complain
on Reddit? But like, like, the Christian Science Monitor wrote a review
of the episode and and said itwas handled very very well. And I
mean, there's there's all this,all this content out there about this particular

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episode of television. It was reallyinteresting to fall down a little bit of
a rabbit hole and read about it. I had no idea that I was
gonna I was gonna stumble across thatas I as I was looking up k
Callen. But and then after that, she's in all sorts of amazing stuff.
Police Squad, Remington Steel, Moonlighting, Highway to Heaven, Night Cork,

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Quantum Leap Coach. She was ineighty seven episodes of Lois and Clark,
The Dean Caine One as Martha Kent. She played Carcass Yeah Dawson's Creek
CSI. Recently she was in KnivesOut. She's been in three episodes of
Veep. She was in Brooklyn ninetynine ri ip Andre Brauer, who just

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died this week. Also, I'vebeen watching Brooklyn ninety nine. That show
is the first season is a littlebumpy, but the after that it really,
it really finds itself and it's quitequite funny. I enjoy it a
lot. I like that show deep. I've only seen a couple episodes,
but it takes place in the inWashington, d C. And those are

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the tea This way, I thinkis more accurate probably than the West being
No, I think it absolutely ismore accurate than the West week. When
you get a chance, you shouldwatch the series. It is. It
is really something. And yeah,Julia Louis Dreyfus is amazing in that show.
Her timing and her her ability tocontrol her facial expressions is remarkable.

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I don't know how she said someof the things she said on that show
without without cracking up the entire time. I just I just don't know how
she did it. Did you watchthe whole you watched the whole series?
We recently rewatched it. Yeah,we had started watching it and when it
was first airing, like back,you know, many years ago, and

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uh, and we for whatever reason, we stopped. And then this summer,
over the summer, we started watchingit again and watched the whole the
whole run. And it's it's veryvery good. It gets a little,
it gets a little bumpy at theend, but it's still it's still very
good. Yeah. Yeah, likeI said, i'd see, I've seen

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a couple of episodes and I'm justlike, okay, I want to just
haven't had time. But yeah,so that's cool. It's funny. It's
very very funny, and Tony Hale'sin it. I love Tony Hale,
and I made a terrible mistake.I never thought i'd miss a hand that

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much. All right, Well,that gets us through our episode basics.
So that means it's time to takea quick trip back to the week of
March twenty fourth, twenty fifteen,and check out what was going on in
popular culture at the time. Areyou telling me you built a time machine?
Kind of a deal? Warre it? So? The number one movie

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this week week of March twenty fourth, the Divergent series Insurgent, which seems
like way too many gent words fora title like you can't, I don't
think that wred, the Divergent seriesColon Insurgent, I it's too much,
it's it's a mouthful, and butit did get sixty four million dollars at

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the box office, which is notbad. And then Cinderella, which was
our number one last week saw abouta fifty percent drop to forty four million,
which is still pretty respectable for asecond week on the on the in
the theaters for a movie like that. So I don't think I ever saw
this, And this is like oneof those like dystopian future ones, like

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like with the called Hunger Games.Yeah, they all kind of came out
around the same time or within afew years of each other. There was
that the Hunger Games, the MazeRunner, and the Divergent series, and
they were all sort of the similarsort of dystopian future, young adult heroine

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or hero fighting the system sort ofsort of shows or sort of movies,
and I think they were all basedon ya fiction novels also series of series
of Yeah, well I saw theHunger Games ones, but those were okay,
But I think that's mostly because JenniferLawrence. Yeah, she's great.

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I don't know if I saw allof those. I think I know I
saw the first one. I don'tremember seeing any of the other ones,
but I read the books and thebooks were quite good. I enjoyed those,
okay, all right. I gotthem for free. They were free
on Amazon at the time, andI was like I might as well,
so that should be our our communication. We'll just toss those that salute a

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little do the whistle. You gottado the whistle too, walking that's how.
That's how we uh, yeah,we were like we're the Illuminati,
that's right. That's how. Idon't know. I don't know what I
saw on TikTok. I stumble acrosssome weird stuff on TikTok from time to

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time. But the thing I sawtoday is said flowers are blooming in Antarctica,
and like, you get, yougo to the you go to the
comments, and everybody's like, thisis how we need to identify each other.
And I have no idea what itmeans, but I just said it
on the internet, so who knows. I guess we'll find out if we
get if we get deplatformed, whatit is. I like, yeah,

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I mean, it's like, Idon't know. I think I'm just like
to I can't keep up with everythingthat's going all the trends and stuff,
so it's like, okay, long, I feel like I'm like maybe a
couple behind everything. So that's thecurse of being old and having a job,
right, That's right. Can't wesit in like stream on the on
the whatever it is twitch Like,yeah, I can't watch influencer videos for

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sixteen hours a day, fifteen yearkid. It was like some sort of
huge controversy with mister Beast. Idon't even know what's going on, you
know, it's like, yeah,who knows, Yeah, yeah, who
knows. Man. He probably triedto like help somebody and then they like
people just jumped down through. That'skind of what I've what I've experienced with

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him in the past. So yeah, that would probably be the case,
right, I mean that guy islike he's donated enough money to give like
a thousand kids, like give themtheir sight. Is like yeah, like
he was doing like like surgeries likebaby a loose cataracts or something. It
was like to fix people's eyes,to give people their vision. And people

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were complaining. Yeah, because ofcourse the internet would complain. Yeah,
yeah, we complain about everything.That's part of being an American. Yeah,
that's right, all right. Numberone Top forty song Uptown Funk Again,
eleventh week at number one and showingno signs of slowing down. I

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really don't see anything coming up underneathit. That's that's gonna unseat it,
but we'll see. And then Ihave an organized crime story this week,
and again, you know, muchlike Andre Brower and Norman Lear, kind
of topical because I want to talkabout the Black Mafia family. So this
is a Detroit organization drug trafficking andmoney landering. But the reason I want

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to talk about them is because theyalso helped to found Bad Boy Records,
which is Puff Daddy's company. Andif you guys have been following the news
on puff Daddy recently, not great, not great stuff create at all.
He's uh and I don't know,you know, like the people have always

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said like the you know, likejay z and and him are like part
of the Illuminatis Illuminati a kid,but there is but like people are saying
all this like stuff like the darkyou know, like you know, like
allegedly like with children and all thissacrifice, all this stuff. And uh,
I'm not saying that he that he'sa Satan worshiping child sacrificing sexual assaulter,

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but geez, come on, yeah, I mean I read I read
the complaint that Cassie brought against him. Yeah, that's some dark ship.
It's yeah, it's uh, it'spretty awful and Look, anybody can say
anything in a court complaint. Itdoesn't necessarily mean it's true. But now
it's being sort of confirmed other peoplereporting similar behaviors, So you know,

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it's in my mind it's always youknow, one is an aberration more than
one. Oh, let's pay attentionhere. What is it called pattern in
practice? That's exactly right. Imean there's even I think I saw something
about Justin Bieber even like you knowunder did he's I don't know, tutelage

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or whatever, you know, likethere's there's no stories about that too.
Yeah, oh yeah, yeah,well who would have thought, you know,
oh, the music industry in Hollywoodand kids, Wow, how terrible.
Yeah, you know, weird,weird, that weird, that horrible
stuff is going on that's only beenhappening for the last seventy five years.
Yeah, yeah, well it's notyou know, it's within the realm.

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People understand the idea of like theysay, the casting couch, so like
so you know that's not that's notout of bound. But you know,
like if you can have everything,if anything is you know, like whatever
your your your heart desires, thenis it out of the realm that there's
enough money and people would sell.You know, it's just within that realm.

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So you're absolutely right. And itreminds me of when you said whatever
your heart desires. It reminded meof the the escort agency in l.
A Confidential. I can't remember what. Oh yeah, but the one that
would would women. It would makethe women get plastic surgery to look like
yeh, famous movie stars. Right. I just watched it. I just
we watched l. A Confidential.That's probably why I said flirt. But

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but there's a scene where they're there, they're there this Hollywood party and there's
there's like, just for a second, there's a man sitting in a chair
and there's a girl who looks likeit's a young she's dressed up like a
young child. I mean, it'sit's it's pretty dark, and that's probably

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one of the know, like peoplelike love that. I I like that
would be a lot I like,yeah, But I mean it doesn't expose
like this underbelly that's it's been thereall yeah, forever. Yeah. Yeah,
I mean it's look you put whetherwhether some of it's you know,
apocryphal or not, you put inenough movies and it becomes real. It's

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yeah, yeah, yeah, butuh but yeah, so so black mafia
family there at Detroit, drug trafficking, money wandering, uh founded by a
guy, well, the Flennery familyessentially was was who ran it. This
guy Demetrius Flennery, founded BMF Entertainmentusing proceeds from their cocaine distribution network.

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It was it was in an attemptto go legit but also to wander the
money. At the same time,the FBI dea these guys. They were
they were trying to bust these guysfor years, it's like fourteen years or
some some sort of ridiculously long investigationthat they were doing. And then finally
in two thousand and five they serveda bunch of indictments because in two thousand

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and four a guy was pulled overdriving a forty foot motor home with ninety
five kilos of coke inside. That'sa lot of coke, and he became
an informant to the two thousand andfour wiretap led to a bust of another
guy who became an informant, andso that they were then able to indict

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like the entire organization. They arrestedthirty of the members in two thousand and
five, at the initial raid theygot and they had to have been disappointed
with this when they got it.They got three million in cash and two
and a half kilograms of coke andsome weapons. They could not have been
pleased with that outcome, given thatthey got a guy on the street with

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ninety five kilo. So more indictmentsfollowed. Eventually they got one hundred and
fifty the members of the Black MafiaFamily were arrested, and they believe that
that represented essentially the entire command andcontrol structure or of the of the organization.
But BMF Entertainment had had a rapperand was you know, helpful in

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the careers and funding of other rapperslike Puffy, like jay Z, like
other people like that. And uh, apparently there's a show on Stars from
produced by fifty Cent that that dramatizesthe the Black Mafia Family that's called Black

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Mafia Family on Stars. I hadno idea that that that show existed.
I know fifty Cent had done Power, but I didn't realize that he he
also has, uh has Black MafiaFamily as well. Have you seen clips
of that Power show? I havePower book something. Well, there's there's
there's uh, there was Power,and then there there's there's a bunch of

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like spin offs and and other sortof like ancillary shows associated with Power,
and so there's there's they have likesubtitles and stuff like that. Oh got
ja. I've never seen an episode, but I've seen clips and it looks
it looks good, but it alsolooks totally bonker bonkers. Yeah, it's

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like what is it in the Oval? Exactly? Yeah. Yeah, So
all right, Well with that,I think we're through our quick trip back
to the week of March twenty fourth, twenty fifteen. So let's get into
this episode. You know, there'sthere's a ton of content in this episode,
So there's a lot of stuff thathappens. It feels when I was

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watching it, it felt like itwas like two hours long, but it's
actually shorter than the average Justified episode. It's only thirty nine minutes, and
that includes like the two minute previouslyon at the beginning of the episode,
Yeah, which they had to covera lot of ground previously. I wonder
why, because it didn't seem extraordinarilylong the you know previously on you know,

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it seems like a very very longnot long. Yeah, Yeah,
they had to cover a lot ofground because they really had to. I
mean they went back, they wentback to like season four for a couple
eclipse I think, so it was. It was weird, but but yeah,
so tons of content in this episode. And and Catherine Hale opens up

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the episode. She is she's displeasedwith Wynn. So she and Win are
having a conversation about why Boyd Crowderjust attempted to blow up the restaurant she
was standing in and why she wasn'taware that that was going to happen,
and uh, you know when whenactually does a pretty good job here at
the behest of the Marshals. Wesee we see halfway through the conversation that

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the Marshalls are sitting there listening towhat's being talked about between Boyd and or
between Catherine and Wynn, and he'scovering his tracks. He he admits that
he primed the pump on Boyd becausehe was worried that Catherine was going to
betray him, so he wanted toaccelerate the time frame to make sure that
they got the money. And uh, and he asked, he asked,

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her, hey, where, what'swhat happens next? What's gonna happen?
With the money and she has notheard from Avery yet, so so we
don't know exactly what's going to happen. But but the Marshals instruct him to
uh to you know, figure thatout, to motivate her to get to
get that information to him, andthe Marshalls in typical cop fashion or blaming

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Win for Boyd's unsuccessful vault robbery,despite despite Win literally doing everything they asked
him to do. He's like,what what do I do here? Like?
Yeah, and Edie, I lovethe way Win kind of chokes the
United States Marshal service in his mouthwhen he's talking to he's saying about how

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much he is pleased to devote hisservice to them, and you see,
you know, there's quick cuts toto Mikey the whole time, showing him
that he is not pleased with withWin snitching and Marshall's being in the in
the Winnebago. And I think thereveal was this the first time that Mike

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and misfield his name his last fullname, Mikey Cosmo Cosmotapolis. Was that
what it was? I think itis Cosmotopolis. Yeah, And uh,
I don't know if it's the firsttime we've heard him say that it I
seemed I seem to think there mightbe a scene in season five, maybe
when they're in the hotel where hesays that, but but I don't I

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don't remember for sure. But nowI've heard it so many times in this
episode. It's like, just justin watching this season to prepare for the
podcast, I've probably seen the lastfour episodes, uh half a dozen times
because you watch one and you're like, well, I can't not watch the
rest. Now you watched ahead.If I watch episode ten, I gotta

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watch eleven, twelve, and thirteen. So now when I watch episode eleven
for next week or whatever, I'mgonna have to watch twelve and thirteen.
Also, so the last episode you'llwatch like ten times. That's right,
Yeah, I'll know it's backwards andforwards. Yeah. So, but it
also doesn't help in trying to rememberwhat happens in which episode because they start

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to run together a little bit.Oh yeah yeah, but yeah, So
Boyd and Ava are are drinking whenLimehouse comes in and Limehouse. Boyd called
Limehouse because he needs an exit.Once they get the money, they got
to figure out a way to getout of Harlan because they know that the
cops are looking for him, Theyknow that Markham will be looking for her,

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and they know the Catherine. Hell, everybody's gonna be looking for him.
So they need a clean out ofHarlan County and the man who can
help provide that is Elston Limehouse.And I have a clip here of that
conversation. Hell, you look likeyou've seen the ghosts. Don't mind my
saying I didn't see one so muchas almost became one. And it just

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something I knew always brings me trouble. And what is that I went back
down to mind you find what youwas looking for? At least I want's
say we cut the small talk.I don't like you, not only do
you know it, but you damnwell feel the same about me. Now.
The simple truth is you're the onlyman I know who can get me

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what I need, and I'm wantingto pay you more money than you've ever
made for doing it. So youfixed and leave this place. Huh,
how many reasons you're gonna give mefor having you back? Fifty thousand?

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Is that for you? For bothof you? For both of us?
You know that reward money you collectedfor that Walker Feller was A was a
hundred. If I recall what Iheard on the radio, how did I

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know you were gonna say that,Welsa, you shall have your clean out
and vanished like you had disappeared inthat mine, on one condition name it
now. When you're gone, you'llnever again set foot in halland County.

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You ain't got to ask me twice. It always reminds me of uh Ving
Raims telling Butch, you stay goneor you be gone. In pulp fiction,
you've lost your la privileges. That'sright, So Boyd's lost his Harlan
privileges. But but he is.He's got his clean out for the lolo

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price of all of his money.And you know you knew, of course,
you knew that Limehouse was gonna wantevery Nikolai had, right, Yeah,
of course, I'm surprised he didn'tthen change the deal later, because
that's kind of Limehouse's thing. Well, maybe he did. He figured there
was no more juice to squeeze outof that. Yeah, except I mean

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he had to have known that hewas planning on stealing ten million dollars.
Well yeah, yeah, that's true. But unfortunately for us, because it's
such a great character, this isthe last time we see Elston Limehouse,
last time he has a line inan episode. So so we have to
retire the character of Elston Limeouse.And uh, there's only one way to

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do that here on Groundless, andthat's with a George Michael tribute. Guilty.
Second way doesn't hurt, but it'llmean next time you screw up,

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I'll have to take that as aside that you don't respect me anymore.
Well, I don't want you here. I don't none of y'all here.
Your presence gives me the fidgets.So you lay your head down at night,
you dream about all the living youcould do with that money. Boy,
that dreamer gets you killed quicker thana bullet. I likes to back

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to win. Inside was so audiosto Elston Limehouse, Mike Kelthy Williamson,
great job. I you know,I just I watched Heat this weekend.

(34:15):
I was, yeah, and he'she's in that. I don't know if
if everybody remembers that, but he'sin that as one of one of Paccino's
detective buddies. So it's, uh, it was good to see him on
there. But Limestone, I'mestone sucha good character, like as far as
like this, you know, becausehe's always he's he like, he's always

(34:39):
his mission has always been to basicallyprotect the hauler, right, so he
never like kind of ventured outside ofthat. But people would come to him,
you know. Yeah, yeah,yeah, he's got a great gig,
right, Everybody comes to him,and even the people he doesn't want,
like the marshals who give him thefidgets. Yeah, yeah, definitely.

(35:01):
My favorite line of limehouses is thatone your presence gives me the fidgets.
But yeah, they somehow I havea feeling that they don't. They
don't leave him alone in this worldor wherever he is. No, probably
not, but it's probably not thelast visit law enforcement pays to Nobles Holler.

(35:25):
I wouldn't guess. Yeah, yeah, I did think about this though,
in the context of what we sawat the end, and this is,
uh, this is kind of aweird sort of diversion for us to
take because we haven't really done thisbefore. But in the context of what
we saw at the end of CityPrimeval, I thought about this in relation

(35:47):
to kind of Boyd having lost hisHarlan privileges and kind of wondering sort of
well, where's he going to go? Well, what's he gonna do?
That's a good question, because hewe won't be able to get help from
my house. I wouldn't guess,but we'll see. Oh I know,
huh that it's a lifelong band probably, So that'll be interesting to see how

(36:13):
they if, if if another seasonof Justified happens, which I think is
a gigantic if if it does happen, it'd be interesting to see how they
handle that sort of aspect. Andhopefully they will handle that sort of that
aspect of it, because otherwise it'dbe a big plot hole, I think.
So while uh, while they're doingthat, Ava's in the bar.

(36:36):
She pours herself four fingers of bourbonand finds Dewey's bloody gator tooth necklace and
sticks it in her pocket. Andthat becomes important here in a little while.
But you know, Raylan and Tim, having having caused a bunch of
trouble with Winn Duffy already decide thatthey're not done yet. They're not done

(36:57):
causing trouble, and you know Raylan'sfull sophy of what better way to uh
so, you know, so distrustin a garden of assholes. Uh.
And so he goes to a dinerwhere Markham and boonar there's a there's a
moment here where Tim. Tim talksto the waiter and he's like, he

(37:17):
wants something to drink. He's like, do you have anything to drink?
And and the waiters like, well, I could you know? Our milkshake
machines broken? And Tim's like,oh, yeah, no, not not
what I'm talking about. And Ilove that we've had this through line going
all the way back to like Ithink it's season one with the guy in

(37:37):
the bar, the VFW bar withthe hand grenade where Tim if you're not
if you don't see Tim, he'sdrunk. He's got very serious drinking problems.
And you know, Art even mentionsit at one point that he's got
a pretty serious drinking problem. Anduh. And so he's on duty and

(37:59):
looking for a liquor at a diner, at a dive diner. I like
that. Like the milkshake machine isbroken, like a McDonald's, like ice
cream machine is broken. That's right, it's always broken. Trust us.
It's not because we don't want toclean it. It just doesn't work.

(38:19):
It just doesn't work. Yeah.So there's a uh, there's a moment
here where you know, Railing getsan ice cream and that's actually our our
food of the week this week isis licking on an ice cream in a
dive diner. God damn woman,you only shoot people when they're eating supper.
So yeah, Railing gets an icecream cone and uh and sits at

(38:40):
the bar waiting for Markham to comeback from the restroom, and Boom decides
to engage Railing in conversation. Anduh, I have a clip of that.
Been thinking on what you said aboutthat movie Cowboy and his Toy Gun
put me in mind. How youcome across a lot of guys who go
heels like they're playing dress up.Take this fellow, where's that lid on

(39:02):
his head? But I bet hecan't tell the mayor from the stallion.
Anybody ever tell you you should talkless? Yeah? One guy, Well
you're young yet Anyway, No matter, I wanted your take on. You
come across a fellow like this,never sat a horse or rope the steer

(39:25):
once putting on a hat to makehim on a bogaroo. Think it's up
the gentleman like us to disabuse him. You're asking if we're keepers of some
kind of flame. I guess mymain take is, I believe you're overestimating

(39:46):
how much you and I haven't comeall right. That gives me something to
think of, just an unending streamof insults from really and Boone. You
know, they really do a goodjob in this episode of kind of showing

(40:06):
how dangerous Boone actually is. Uh. You know, we we saw his
kind of menacing side in the lastepisode, and in this episode we actually
see him taking action in addition tobeing menacing, and he's he's very clearly
a very dangerous man who's also verycommitted to what he does. And Zelotry

(40:27):
is dangerous in all aspects. Aswe know that that one scene the second
time to the diner where he goesout of his way to something, Yeah,
it was just just to mess withthe waiter guy, right, just
yeah. Well, and and theycut that scene so so at the end
of that scene, I don't havea clip or anything of that scene.

(40:49):
I think that scene is a littlebit. I think it's great to show
kind of how you know, menacingBoone is. But I think by that
point we've kind of got that apretty well estab. It feels like a
hat on a hat a little bitfor what he does, and and then
especially to end it with him talkingto the college girl and and you know,

(41:10):
asking her if she has anything worthtaking, and then not seeing the
outcome of that, not seeing whatactually happened there at the end. I
think it's a little bit of amiss on the part of this episode.
But but yeah, it's it's ait's it's a good scene. I I
actually think, uh, it wouldhave been a little bit better if it

(41:30):
had been a lot less implied violenceand a little bit more actual violence.
And that's like if he had hitthe if he had hit the waiter with
the coffee caraffe, that would havebeen oh yeah interesting, yeah, yeah,
well it's too bad with him,I mean he just his first appearance
was the last episode, right,yeah, it absolutely was. Yeah,

(41:51):
what five episodes of the of theshow. And he's a he's a great
character that came along, just justreally late in the run. Yeah yeah,
so uh okay, so yeah,so so Raylan and Tim while they're
there, they work mark them alittle bit. They explained to him that
Catherine's selling him out. There's amoment where where Tim says, uh,

(42:12):
Tim says inside, man, Butit sounds like he says inside, ma'am,
did you did you catch that?Like it's like a little pun that
he's saying, because it's Catherine andit's a it's a woman, so it's
an inside I think that's what hedoes. I think that's what he says.
I could. I listened to itlike three or four times, and
I couldn't quite pick it up.But I think it was a little pun

(42:35):
that Tim was doing, which isalways funny. Which, yeah, that
would that would sort of make sense. Yeah. So so they tell him
that Catherine is selling him out andtell him, hey, you know,
you don't have to take our wordfor it. Just test her. She's
going to ask you where the money'sbeing moved. I don't have to.
And and they know, of coursethat that's going to happen because they just
told Win to do it. Andso so they're essentially predicting the few sure

(43:00):
and uh and Markham's like, ohcrap, I've got a I've got a
problem here, and he tells herhe's sending the money to Charlotte, and
we know, we know he's notsending the money to Charlotte. So uh,
but Using that information, Boyd andWynn plan the robbery, and Boyd
wants to hit the transit. Hewants to do it at the border,

(43:21):
the state line, and uh,he says. He says at one point,
as my good friend, Ray says, don't give up before the miracle
happens. And that's from AA.So that that that sentiment or philosophy or
line or whatever you want to callit, that's from AA. So Ray
is in recovery. And I thinkBubbs's sponsor from the Wire says that to

(43:46):
him in one of the Wire episodes. But but I thought that was interesting.
I like to know who who Boyd'sgood friend Ray is. I'm I
was wondering if he met Rayl,you know, like he didn't say,
you know, like, oh butI don't remember Raylan ever saying anything like

(44:06):
that. Oh yeah, no,I wouldn't expect Raylan whatever. I you
know what, it didn't even occurto me that he could have been referring
to Raylan as ray It didn't evenlike, it didn't even occur to me
to think that, Yeah, Idon't think that's who he is referring to.
But I just because I don't know, maybe just hear the name right,

(44:27):
so so yeah, it's it wasa It was a weird little throwaway
line from BOYD, but I thoughtit was an interesting sort of sort of
thing because it implicates AA and andthis guy Ray who we've never met,
And yeah, I thought that wasinteresting. But U after that, you
know, Mikey is somewhat disappointed withWin, but he's he's not ready.

(44:52):
He doesn't want to debate the codeanymore. And h Win's pleased to hear
that. But we get some camerasof Mikey that suggests that he's made a
decision of some sort and that he'scommitted to a course of action, and
we're going to find out in thisepisode that that course of action is that

(45:13):
he is going to serve Win lunchand ask him about Grady Hale. And
then once he does that, getWin to admit that he was the one
who sold out Grady Hale. AndWin says, yeah, absolutely I did.
And and he says, you wantto survive in this business, you
either die, get killed, yousnitch, or you go to jail.

(45:37):
It's one of those three things ifyou're in this business long enough. And
he doesn't want to go to jailand he doesn't want to be dead,
so he snitches and it's a verysort of practical outlook on things, and
Mikey does not care for it.But when when Winn says that, Mikey
bashes his head into the table tostun him and then handcuffs him to the

(46:01):
table and the chair and then hedisarms him. And I love the sequence
where he disarms him because he's gottwo guns, a switchblade and a blackjack
he's got hidden on his person.Yeah, yeah, like the terminator,
who among us has never had twopistols on them. Yeah, you need

(46:29):
the shoulder holsters, I do youknow? Speaking of the wire, I
mean that was the same thing thatthey had with Omar, he said,
Omar. Yeah. It was like, oh you must have a code.
Yeah yeah, yeah code. Wellthey were not bad people, yeah yeah,

(46:52):
so so yeah, so Mikey,Mikey disarms him, uh, disables
him, and calls Catherine Hale andsays, hey, I've got something you
might be interested in. So andwe'll talk about what's going on with Catherine
when that call happens, but andwhy she doesn't answer the phone While all

(47:12):
this is going on, Raylan andTim are watching the uh the armored truck
theater that they're that they're doing touh to allegedly move the money to Charlotte,
which is actually not going to befilled with money. They're watching Earl
watch the truck, and they're watchingfor Boyd or Carl or somebody else to

(47:34):
come uh. And Raylan says toTim, Hey, you know what,
I think Boyd might be too smartfor this. And Tim says, what
are you talking about. You're theone who set all this up. You're
the one who you know, hasorchestrated this whole thing. We're we're pulling
strings on puppets in three different places, and now you're telling me that this
isn't gonna work and and Raylan says, hey, yeah, look, the
last time we thought we had Boydin something like this, we got as

(47:58):
dirty underwear. And he's absolutely right. That's the first episode of the season
with Dewey where he breaks Dewey's jaw. Still never forgive Rylan for that.
That seemed unnecessary, but yeah,but yeah, so so he uh,
he says, I think he's tooI don't think he's gonna fall for it.
I don't think he's gonna come afterit and uh. And then we

(48:19):
see a scene with with Boyd andKarl and Ava and Carl's parking for the
are packing for the armored car robbery, and he and Ava have a conversation,
and then he takes off for therobbery, and Boyd says he'll be
right behind him. I have aclip of that conversation, my uncle.
You sure he couldn't have made outof that? Mom, you really want
to waste your time worrying about thattrader. The reason I'm worried if he's

(48:44):
alive, there's a chance he couldcome back and finish the jaw. Even
if he survived the blast, rockfall cut him off from the entrance.
Crazy best ran the wrong way,probably got turned around in the dark.
Everything looking the same down there atall the zach Rye got turned around?
Oh we all sat, My man? Good to go? Whoa you best

(49:09):
be getting to move on? Son? We ain't riding together. I got
something I gotta do. I'm gonnabe right behind you, all right.
Maybe I need you to head backto your place, pick up what every
linehouse has sorted for us, newpapers, a car nobody's looking for.
I'll be in touch and tell youwhat to meet me someone close to where

(49:30):
you're head in the truck. Ain'tno money gonna be in that truck.
But you just told me, Iknow what I told Carl. What about
Earl? He's still halfway a kid, and you're serving them up. I'm
just trying to make sure that wedon't get served up. Baby. I
know the money won't be in thetruck because he's too smart for that.
Malcolm bailing. Now, don't askme any more goddamn questions. Just trust

(49:55):
me, meet me. So Ithink, you know, there's there's kind
of two sort of important pieces ofthe puzzle that come together in those in
those two little conversations. The firstis Ava realizes, or Ava is realizing,

(50:17):
that Zachariah is still out there somewhere, and for her, Zachariah represents
a potential lifeline. And so she'snow started to put too and two together,
like, Okay, Zachariah is stillout there. He's someone I can
trust, and he someone he cantrust when everyone else in her life is

(50:40):
proving themselves to not be trustworthy.And and that's what Boyd then immediately does
by selling out Carl and Earle.You can see Ava's calculus going on in
her head, saying, wait aminute, he just sold out Carl and
Earle. He turned. I mean, they basically are are done. They're
gonna get a rest, They're gonnago to jail. He's not. He

(51:02):
doesn't care. The only thing hecares about is that money and getting out
and how how you know, howfar is it for him to then sell
me out on top of that?And it's probably not a far trip for
Boyd. So you can see thatstarting to work through avis head a little
bit and starting to kind of tiethose things together, like, Okay,

(51:22):
I can't trust Boyd, but Ican trust Zachariah if he's still out there
somewhere, as well as the pressureof finding out that Raylan has the news
about where she's at with the withthe federal government exactly. Yeah, and
so so those things happen, andthen you know, she calls Raylan to

(51:43):
set up a meet or to tellhim that that Boyd's not going after the
truck when when, and that he'sgoing after the money by other means,
but she doesn't know what those meansare. Now we know eventually that those
means are He's gonna kidnap Catherine Hayand just hold her hostage for the money,
which is a brilliantly simplistic way todo it. He realized, you

(52:08):
know, hey, look, Averyreally loves this woman. I'm going to
be able to get the money outof him by holding her hostage, by
threatening to kill her. And soit's quite quite simple in that regard.
And yeah, when Raylan reports backto Vasquez and Rachel that that Boyd is

(52:29):
not going after the armored car,He's going after the money by other means,
they tell him, Okay, youkeep an eye on Ava, stay
out of sight. We want toknow what she's doing. And then and
then says that he's going to putAva back in prison. She's violated in
terms of her CI contract or hasn'tlived up to the requirements in her CI

(52:50):
contract, and therefore he can puther back in jail. And he's going
to put her back in jail.And we've talked about this, you know,
throughout the season, this whole conceptof well what is he going to
what exactly is she going back tojail? Four? Given that we know
that she didn't stab the guard,they have no witness who can testify to

(53:12):
the body removal situation. I mean, I guess maybe forensically they can tie
her to the murder potentially, butwe haven't heard anything about that. So
so I I do still wonder sortof what she's going back to jail for.
And I wish she had I wishshe had a lawyer the show.
The show goes way differently if Avahas a lawyer who knows that she's an

(53:35):
informant. Yeah, but you don'thave the convenience of, well, what
happened to the long hair? Wellhe works as a boyd though, right,
she can't tell she's an informant,So yeah, that's true. No
public defender. Oh you wouldn't tella public defender either, but so yeah,

(54:00):
so that's that's the situation. Vasquazseems particularly hell bent on locking up
Ava for whatever reason, and he'she's worried about Raylan, but you know,
Raylan and Tim then have a conversationafter Raylan hangs up the phone,
says I'm going to go, youknow, sit on Ava and speculates that
that boyd might try and suicide bycop, and Tim says, well,

(54:22):
you know, hey, look,I hope all this work. I hope
we get we take him alive andget a conviction. Man, Otherwise,
what are we doing all this for? You can shoot him anytime, and
and you know says that, Well, I guess that'll be up to him,
won't it, Raylan? Instead ofbeing up to Raylan? Of course,

(54:44):
because you know, and I thinkeveryone expects. I know, when
I was watching this, I expectedthat this is this ends only one way,
with either Raylan or Boyd dead.I didn't see another way that that
that the series could end at thispoint. Yeah, I think that's fair

(55:06):
at this point watching it, Ididn't see. I didn't see any other
options. So but uh yeah,So so Boyd grabs Catherine Hale and has
her calls uh calls Markham to tellhim to load up the money and bring
it to a meeting place that'll givehim later. Markham agrees, and Boone
helps him load up the cash.But but in between all of that,

(55:27):
Markham went to visit Loretta's great aunt, who we talked about kay Callen earlier
in this episode, and she basicallytells him to go fuck himself, but
she does it in a much moreeloquent, justified way than than I did.
So I'm gonna let her do thetalking for us, so I'll I'll
have a clip of that. Youknow, my asking how has it ready

(55:50):
ended up in prostrate care instead ofcoming here to live with you? Stuck
up bitch from family Services made noiseslike this placing fit for habitation. You
believe that I've been living in thishouse for fifty two goddamn years and there's
nobody else could have taken her inthe other ken meaning if tragedy were to

(56:16):
strike again, would I stand toinherit my grandniece's property. You think I
don't know who you are, mistermarkham Well, I introduced myself at the
door, not your name, Whoyou are, what you are? What's

(56:40):
that? Well, off the topof my head, i'd say, no,
count Peckerwood. And that's just forstarters. Man. I'm afraid of
even a misimpression of my intent.I'm coming here to see you, oh
I hope so, because it seemsto me you're here to get me to

(57:06):
talk Reda into selling out to you, or to sell out to you myself.
Once you put her in the groundsdifferent not no go huh. Notice
she didn't turn down your single maltyou ever? Notice how the necessities are
relying to work way heavy on yourconscience. Always seemed to me far as

(57:28):
conscience goes, the sweet spot iseither be pouring off you can't afford to
have one, or rich enough youcan afford to hire someone to carry the
weight. I love that line fromfrom Boone. It's very very well written.
It's uh it's great, yeah,very good, and you know it.
Look, it applies to criminality,of course, but let's let's be

(57:52):
real here. This applies to theentire world and to corporations and government and
every anything else. It's, uh, yeah, be poor enough not to
have to not be able to afforda conscience, or rich enough to be
able to hire somebody else to tonot have a conscience. So it's it's

(58:12):
a great moment. They they killLoretta's great aunt, and uh, you
know he he says something to Booneabout I know you're fond of the girl,
which which implies that that Loretta's nexton that list. Unfortunately, so
we'll see what happens there. Butthey they then go and load up the
cash. There's a there's another greatmoment with Boone again Zelotry dangerous in all

(58:37):
respects, but there's another great momentwith Boone where he's helping mark them load
up the cash. He asks him, Hey, do you want me to
come along? And Markham explains,no, you know, he said come
alone. They always say that heprobably got it from the movies and they
they joke, they laugh about it. And then uh. And then he
asked him again, Hey do youwant me to come along? And uh?

(58:58):
And Markham says no, and andand then and then he asked him,
he says, are you not goingto try and to change my mind?
You're not going to try and talkme out of this decision? And
he says, hey, look,you're the boss man. You pay me
to do what you say, notto try and change your mind on stuff
you don't pay me to think.You pay me to do essentially is what
he's saying. And so it reallyrepresents kind of how dangerous Boon is of

(59:24):
the month. Yeah, really everymonth on the wall, and he's like,
it's a murdering people who his competitors. And then and then we get
to see that scene in the dinerthat we talked about a little bit ago.
There was something that happened during thatscene that I didn't mention, which

(59:45):
where he talks about his girl andhe's clearly talking about Loretta. Yeah,
and he talks about grass on thefield and all that. It's very very
uncomfortable. It's been very squeamish,is it okay? Like? Because what
is the age of consent in Kentucky? That again, well, look,

(01:00:14):
age of consent doesn't implies that Lorettowould be consenting, and I don't think
there's any scenario where that's going tohappen. So it's yeah, very uncomfortable
and and uh, you know,yeah anyway, so uh so Tim uh,

(01:00:36):
you know, faithfully busts Carl andEarl locks him up, reports to
Rachel and Boyd was never there,never at the robbery because of course he
wasn't because we know he was offkidnapping Catherine Hale. While that's all going
down, Raylan's off to talk toAva and he explains to her the situation
that she's in with uh with Vasquez, and she has a couple proposals on

(01:01:01):
how she can extricate herself from thesituation. And I have our final clip
of the day about that mister andmissus o'fay got handed to the limehouse.
He does have a sense of humordoes good work too. I can't say

(01:01:22):
as I'm crazy for the picture,although it was short notice. What are
you doing here, Raymond? Well, I'm supposed to be staying out of
sight seeing if you're shooting straight aboutthe getaway plan. If you are following
the boy kitching with the money,but you're not staying at sut so what

(01:01:44):
are you doing here? This giveshis poem plug? What does that mean?
Means he wants to find something tobuzz Buoyd on that doesn't require your
cooperation. Toss you back in prison? Boy, just call told me to
bring him to get away that limehouseput together, meet him at the spot

(01:02:07):
where he put this ring on myfinger. You can get him with the
money. I'm sorry? Are you? Boy? If we get him from
murder? Who's murder? What's that? You meet a lot of guys with

(01:02:28):
gator toooth knafelaces? Do you Florida? Where'd you find it hanging above the
bar? And how exactly does thathelp us get bored? What do you
mean for killing Dewey? Boy?Killed Dewey? You know he did?
You get a witness? A weapon? Better? Yet a body? Look

(01:02:51):
close, there's blood on even ifthat is Doe's blood. There's nothing that
don't indicate he didn't just cut himselfshaving. It's still late enough. So
after everything, that's how this isgoing to end. What if I get
him to confess. I cut alittle bit of silence out of those clips.

(01:03:13):
So it's a little bit pushed toget smushed together. But ultimately uh
Ava decides that she's going to tryand get Boyd to confess to Dewy's murder
by you know, showing him thenecklace, asking him about it, asking
him to be honest with her.They have a conversation in the car where
she says, you know, ifall else fails, I'll seduce him start

(01:03:35):
taking my clothes off. Raylan remainssomewhat unconvinced, but decides to trust her
because, as we know, Raylanhas a weakness for women who he he
he doesn't know if they're lying tohim or not. He has a blind
spot with that, and Ava's verycool, as we as we discover at

(01:03:58):
the end of the episode, isvery clearly lying to him. But while
they're driving to the meet, Boydand Markham are doing their exchange and it's
it's great, you know, it'sIt's the sort of the sort of thing
that you see in a movie.And in the movie it always goes awry,
right, there's always something that goesgoes wrong at the exchange. This

(01:04:21):
goes perfectly, smoothly, exactly theway Boyd wanted it to know. You
know, Markham somehow lifts you know, those that two hundred pounds of money
out of that car himself and dragsit to the truck and puts it up
in the bed and and Boyd opensit to check it. There's this great

(01:04:41):
moment where he opens it and CatherineHale is standing there next to him and
looks at it and let's out thislittle moan. Yeah, it's like,
wow, that's awesome. And yeah, and so he gets the money,
he gives Cat thrown over and uh. Before he drives away, he makes

(01:05:03):
sure to tell, uh, tellMarkham that hey, by the way,
robbing her or robbing you, thatwas her idea from the jump. And
and you know, Markham now hashad it confirmed from multiple angles that that
Catherine's the one who was trying tosteal his money from him and betraying him
and hoping he was going to bedead because of because she thought he was

(01:05:27):
the rat that sold out Grady,And after boy drives away, they have
a quick conversation about that, andshe says, well, I don't anymore.
I don't think that anymore. Youjust gave up ten million dollars to
get me back. There's no waythat's that's what happened. But but it
doesn't matter at this point because he'she doesn't have the money. I was

(01:05:49):
gonna say that. You know,this might be the first instance where his
plans of boys plans actually worked outfor the you know, because he all
he always runs either to Lan orsomething else happens, or some other stuff
happens. Right, Well, let'snot let's not get too far out of
ourselves. Yeah, jump sure,because not not two minutes later in real

(01:06:18):
time in the episode, in probablya thirty minute drive in the in the
show, Boyd meets Avan the clearingtells her he's got the money, and
she says, I'm sorry, Boyd, and uh, it's because she's gonna
shoot him. So she she shootshim in the chest, holds the gun

(01:06:38):
on Raylan, takes Raylan's keys,and drives away in Boyd's truck. Now,
Raylan lets her go. He doesn'tshoot her, He doesn't try and
stop her, disable her in anyway. He just tells her that he's
going to be the chasing her andand she says she knows he is.
And I you know, there's thatthere's that moment at where he's clearly contemplating

(01:07:02):
whether he's gonna shoot Ava or not, and he elects not to. And
I always wonder about this, likewhy doesn't he shoot her in the leg?
Why doesn't he shoot her, youknow, in the foot or something?
She is she's probably not very goodwith that pistol at the distance that
they're at, right, We've seennothing to suggest that Ava is particularly good

(01:07:23):
with anything other than a long gunat close range, that's right. I
mean she even misses, She evenmisses center mass on boyd uh, you
know, trying to at that pointrange. Yeah, at point blank range.
So so you have to wonder,you know, why Raylan doesn't shoot

(01:07:44):
her in the leg or thigh.And of course you know everybody else wonders
that too. You know, yougotta we hear in the next episode,
you hear Vasquez talking about how youknow you got a Marshall who shoots everybody
he comes across. All of asudden, doesn't shoot this woman who's shot
a person and held them at gunpointand getting away with ten million dollars.

(01:08:05):
It does look pretty suspicious. Tenmillion dollars weighs about two hundred pounds.
I guess, yeah, that's themath I did. I uh, it
was. It's like two hundred andfour or something like that, and hundreds
if it's all in hundreds. Yeah, yeah, so yeah that's a lot.

(01:08:25):
Yeah, but you know, onehundred pounds, Like, let's say
it's a hundred pounds for each bag. Yeah, five million each thing.
That's not that heavy, is it? I think it is. I think
it is. You try you trycarrying one hundred pounds up a hill.
I I don't think it's easy.I mean, well, well yeah,
I mean we're talking about later,but I'm just thinking, like, well,

(01:08:46):
I guess you know, like what'shis name? Market is an old
man. Yeah, Marko's an old, skinny dude who smokes pot all the
time. He probably isn't the healthiestcat, but has no trouble hauling it
from the truck to the to theUH or from the from his suv to
the truck. But yeah, yeah, it does defy reality a little bit

(01:09:12):
what we see in the next coupleof episodes, but we'll yeah, we'll
talk about that when we get there. Oh, there's a moment where,
you know, Ava was talking abouther passport and she says, oh,
Limehouse has a great sense of humor. Mister and missus o fay. But
when you when they show the passport, it has her name as Sheryl Brown.
I don't know if you, uhyou noticed that a little bit of
an inconsistency there. And I don'tknow, I don't know what's so funny

(01:09:34):
about mister and missus o'fay. Either, I didn't. I didn't get the
Yeah, I didn't get it either. I wouldn't. Does it reference I
guess we don't know. Yeah,I have no idea. I wasn't.
I wasn't able to. I didn't. I didn't look too hard, but
I wasn't able to find anything thatwould suggest kind of what that joke is.
I'm sure I'm sure somebody in theuh in the reddit community knows that.

(01:09:58):
So if you do, you know, send us a note on Reddit,
groundless podcast or or Groundless Podcast atgmail dot com. Let us know
what what what you think that thatreference is. But uh, oh,
I've got one more. I gotone more thing I forgot to mention here,
and that's this, you use yourtongue prettier in a twenty dollars.
And I think we use this wordonce already in the show. But I

(01:10:20):
love this word, and I mentionedat the time that I love this word.
So I'm gonna do I'm gonna useit again. It's pecker would,
which is uttered by Loretta's grand aunt, which is a noun that means a
white person, especially a poor one. And I'm pretty sure we did this
before. But but I do likethe word pecker would a lot. I
think it's it's a really good one. I like it. Oh, I

(01:10:45):
just looked at I'd looked that upas far as O fay. Yeah,
it's uh it's meant to be then word for white people. Oh really
yeah, according to Reddit, Ijust looked under the justified ding. Okay,
so pecker would basically that, Imean, there are are there really

(01:11:11):
there, There aren't really any wordsthat are at that level as far as
like the word really of course notno, because yeah, we don't.
Yeah, look, white people haven'tbeen a maligned and subjugated group of people
in most places for hundreds of years. So of course not, there's no

(01:11:31):
there's no derogatory names that carry thesame sort of impact and effect that that
racial slurs for minority groups do.That makes perfect sense. And and uh,
you know, you've got you've gotall the classics, the Honkey and
Cracker and and and Peckerwood and apparentlyo Fey, which I had no idea

(01:11:54):
about, but but none of themhave have the weight of of you know,
an N word or or a wordthat you would use to describe an
Asian person or or anything like that. So or or I would even argue
so far, I would even goso far as to argue the word redskin

(01:12:15):
would be as offensive as any ofthose as well. And it was the
name of a freaking football team untila few years ago, But that's right.
Or the Indians, Yeah, yeah, I think I think Indian is
a little bit less sort of incendiary. But also you know, good that

(01:12:38):
it was changed. You know,my my, you know, I've been
a Cleveland sports fan for a longtime and and my my feelings on on
the Indians had always been that theword in the team nam Indians is not
particularly inflammatory, but that's not forme to decide. And uh, and

(01:12:58):
so the the issue I always hadwith the with the with the Cleveland baseball
team was the the mascot, theChief Wahoo, was terribly that's right,
terribly offensive, especially the early versionsof Chief Wahoo. If you look back

(01:13:19):
at what Chief Wahoo looked like inlike the nineteen sixties and the nineteen seventies
compared to what he looks looked likein the nineties and the two thousands,
Holy cow, like real man,Yeah, I'm just looking. Yeah see
see it looks like because I likeI've seen some of the propaganda from like

(01:13:43):
Germany back in the yeah world,that's exactly what it looks like, some
sort of thing like the exaggerated featuresand all those stuff. All right,
yeah, so yeah, so butI I, you know, I do
have a soft place in my heartfor racial slurs against white people. I
don't know why I find I'm entertaining, but so all right, but I

(01:14:08):
think that gets us through our episode. So anything anything you wanted to add
there? Oh, do I haveanything? No? No, I don't
have anything else. I mean asfar as like in this this whole season
of episodes, the last episode wasgood, and this one keeps like builds
on it. So it's it's kindof like, you know, we're coming

(01:14:30):
towards the last few episodes, butyeah, these are like some of my
favorite yeah the season. They're great, They're great, and there's you know,
there's a little bit of a Iwould say that there's a little bit
of a lull kind of in thenext two episodes. The story drags a
little bit in a certain in onesense, but in every other sense,
it is rocketing forward at full speed, and it's it's very, very good.

(01:14:54):
So uh yeah, let's get toour final segment. Then I was
telling my friends this morning yesterday,come and then if you don't get out
of town in twenty four hours,I'm gonna shoot you one site. Are
you gonna shoot him? I'll getfor you before you even clear who's I'll
take more chances with the other.You get the chance shoot him in the
help pull my side on unless I'mgoing to shoot to kill. Are you

(01:15:17):
gonna shoot him too? Raylan?And Raylan does not even draw his pistol.
He had his aunt on his gunon the gun he did when coming
out when right after he was shotboyd. But yeah, I mean the
only the only death we had wasaunt, the great aunt for for what's

(01:15:39):
her name, Loretta? Yeah,unnamed Loretta's great aunt was the character credit
in that episode. No, no, no actual name. And uh yeah,
so that was it, really,I mean that there was this This
is all building up to, likeI just said, like the next few
episodes, like a finale. Butlike I said, it's probably one of

(01:16:00):
my favorite episodes. But yeah,no violence not no what was it visual
or like overt violence? No overtviolence. No portrayed violence on the screen,
right, implied violence, but no, no, no portrayed. Yeah.
And you know, look, we'vewe've promised a blood bath for a

(01:16:23):
while. It's coming. If you'renot familiar, it's coming. I was,
I was watching these episodes and thinkingabout how many in memoriams I'm going
to have to do over the nextthree episodes. You can just do that
the bumper once, right, youhave to put the clips in. Yeah,

(01:16:45):
yeah, I have to adjust.I have to adjust the length sometimes
it's a whole thing. So butyeah, so that's coming up. But
but in the meantime, you know, we'll be back in two weeks with
our next episode. As we said, we're not taking any time off this
year around the holidays. We're gonnaget through through these last three and then

(01:17:06):
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