S06E11 - Fugitive Number One - Groundless (A Justified Podcast)

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Rolling down the bull of button speeda bowl cold there, I can tail
all the tornado, Ringer promised soulkids with one hand on the glass,
pie me over long wee double ridingshot gun singing boy, Let's make a

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deal. This is Groundless a Justifiedpodcast. This is a podcast where we
watch every episode of Justified and thencome on here and talk about it.
I'm Chris. That man is Randy. My god. That turns tabled this
episode all over, turns table,all over. I think I wrote a

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I think when I was posting thedescription for the last episode, which I
just uploaded today, I think Iwrote I wrote, join us next week.
When everyone is a fugitive from thelaw. That's right. That's like
when everybody dies at the end,Dope, everybody's a future exactly like six
feet under when everyone dies. Yeah, all right, that's right. We're

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here to talk about season six,episode eleven of Justified. Only two left
after this one, fugitive number one. That episode originally aired March thirty,
first, twenty fifteen, and oursynopsis. This week, Raylan and the
Marshalls scramble to deal with a crisisthat threatens all of their careers and freedom

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apparently for Raylan at least, andDuffy, Mike and Catherine question the meaning
of loyalty. Yeah, that sceneis just oh, it's so perfect.
Written by Taylor Elmore and Keith Schreier. We know these guys. They were
in a lot of episodes and directedby John Avnett. This is the core

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group, you know. It's it'swe're getting down to the short strokes,
as they say, So we're we'rewe're getting only the premium players as writers
and directors in these episodes. Yea. And then our guest star this week,
let's talk about mel Fair, Nelson, Dunlop, good old Deputy Dunlop

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man for Nelson continually shit upon DeputyUs Marshall, and also the man who's
an aptitude all adds Boyd Crowder toescape his hospital bank confinements. He's been
in a bunch of stuff. Imean, the dude's been acting for a
long time. I think his firstcredit, though, I think the first

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credit I saw for him was Buffythe Vampire Slayer, the original TV show,
not the movie, the original TVshow, where he played a tentacle
demon in one episode. So Ilove me some Buffy, So I always
mention it if they're in it.He did a voice voiceover for a bunch
of video games, including some ofthe Call of Duty series games. He's

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been in Big Love four episodes ofthat, Weeds six episodes of that,
and then guest appearances on a bunchof stuff that we've mentioned here before.
Ray Donovan American Crime Story, Impeachmentfor all Mankind, a movie called The
Menu, which is a relatively recentfilm that's sort of a quasi horror movie,

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kind of not really a weird socialcommentary on rich people and you know,
their appreciation for weird things. Idon't know, it's it's an entertaining
film, Ray Fines, isn't it? Oh, I think I saw.
I didn't know. I didn't see. I think I know. With the
movie you're talking about, it's likemaybe it is that like implied cannibalism or

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something like that. No, it'snot that he invites It's a chef of
a famous chef who invites all theserich people to this island for a special
meal and and then and then killsthem all. Yeah, and then Winning

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Time the the Los Angeles Lakers Story, the Showtime Lakers show on Max.
He was in a couple episodes ofthat, and then, of course a
show that we never failed to mentionhere despite having never seen an episode of
it, The Oval. He's anepisode of The Oval, yet another overlap

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for Justified. In The Oval,it's almost like we're being told to watch
it. We might. Yeah,So that's our guest star this week.
Melf Nelson Dunlop. He's been inyou know, I think he gets credited
in like fourteen episodes are Justified.He's a very memorable character because he's kind

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of the only other Marshall except forCharlie, the guy who takes off with
the cash out in the after theWinona heist. He's the only other deputy
that ever really gets mentioned besides Timand Rachel and Art. So so he's
notable in that sense. And thisis probably the most screen time. I
mean, he had like one lineor two, Like this is like the

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most screen time in an episode,probably probably so. And he doesn't normally
get a line, doesn't normally getlines. He's usually being talked to,
not with yeh. But but youknow, he had the memorable moment earlier
this season where he has to holdthe baby and just cut to the stiff
arm. And then in this onehe has the interaction with the railn where

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he's like, wow, I didnot see that coming, and you wonder,
like, you know, you alwaysit's like the you know when you
go to the doctor at the atthe urgent care or whatever, and you
know that that guy got straight d'sin med school and like, I guess

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somebody had to do not so wellat the Marshalls Academy but still got a
job. Right, Oh yeah,he was like last in his class or
something like that. He always mademe think of you know, the guys
who you remember when we worked downtowntogether and the Federal building was right there
and you had you had the Marshallstation where because they were guarding a courthouse

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and you'd walk past them and theywere always these older, like retired guy
or like close to retirement guys.And I always thought, I always think
about them when I think about NelsonDunlop, because they always struck me as
sort of similar, right, justwaiting for their pension to kick in or
whatever. Yeah, exactly. Notnot crime fighters, not investigators. They're

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just you know, their prisoner transportguys are They're they're like glorified security guards.
Basically, they're putting their just puttingtheir hours, just watching the clock
go by, getting that government pension. Yeah yeah, yeah, So that's
our that's our episode basics. Sothat means our next step is we got
to take a quick trip back tothe week of March thirty first, twenty

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fifteen, see what was going onin popular culture at the time. Can
you tell me you built a timemachine? Yeah, we all know that
we can't possibly enjoy a show withoutputting it in the appropriate context of the
of the time in which it aired. So this week our number one movie.

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We have another new number one moviethis week. It's a Home,
which is an animated movie about aliens. Uh not what I've seen or even
read much about sixty eight million,though it grossed so pretty good showing for
a for a an animated movie.That's not you know, from the mouth,
I'm one of the big ones.And and get Hard also debuted this

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week with Will Ferrell and Kevin Hartand that got about forty million. I
didn't see that movie that was that'sthe one I think where Will Ferrell plays
like a businessman who's going to goto prison, and Kevin Hart is like
his prison consultant who's training and tosurvive. Yeah. Yeah, I don't
think I ever watched it, butI remember that when it came out.

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Do you like Kevin Hart? Whatdo you think of Kevin Hart? He's
he's okay. I just I don'tknow. I think I think I've said
before. I think he's just likeit seems to me and I haven't seen
like any of his bits or anythinglike that. Yeah, it's like a
like a long form thing. Buthe just like was that guy from the

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OC, Like his his stick waslike kind of oh, I'm a big
like big guy the comedia. Yeah, people just like I think it was
funny. He was funny. Idon't know. He must be doing.
He must be pretty good though.I mean he's been around for a little
bit, been around for a littlebit. They put him in everything.
He makes a lot of money.Good for him. I mean he's been

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very very successful. Whether I carefor his style or not. You know,
he's just always kind of struck meas as you know, you're right,
he's like, I'm I'm the littleguy. I'm gonna give you that,
you know, incredulous look with withbug eyes, you know, coming
out of my head, like Ican't believe what you just did. Yeah,
and I'm gonna make a lot ofnoise, and and it's sort of

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like Chris Tucker vibe almost I wouldsay, yeah, but see Chris Tucker,
I think. I mean, I'veseen some of his stuff, and
some of his stuff is pretty funny, like I mean, and the Rush
Hour stuff was pretty funny to laughat the first one especially. I really
did enjoy the first Rush Hour movieis very very yeah. Yeah, I

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like that one bit with Don Cheetle. I think it was like the second
one where he's like him and JackieChander are like they we were taught at
this like the same brothers, likelike the one who in Shanghai was like
teaching Jackie Chan kung fu. Andthen his brother, his master's brother was

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teaching Don Cheetle's character. I dolove me some Don Cheetles. So oh
he's fantastic, Yeah, just wonderful. Yeah. Yeah. But and then
our our number one top forty songthis week, Uptown Funk again in it's
twelfth the week at the top ofthe charts. It's a monster, It's

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a monster. I wonder if there'sbeen I mean, obviously we have.
We're we're living in a world that'scontrolled by Taylor Swift, and and we're
just you know, we're here.We serve at the pleasure of our of
our pop culture queen. Yes,But at the same time, I'm not
sure there's been another song that's beenthat popular on the charts for that long

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since well, well, yeah,a long time. That's that's three months,
man, that's yeah, it feelslike a really long time. So
I, for one, welcome TaylorSwift as our overlord. Yeah. Yeah,
yeah, I'm not going to fightit. There's no point. But

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I wonder, you know, becausenow it seems like everything's so fractured,
right and like like I think youhad mentioned it before, like as far
as like the there's there's like abunch of splinters as far as the culture
and everything else where, you know, like who knows what, Like is
there a one main chart nowadays oris it like all well that's there actually

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is a lot to that, youknow, if you if you're if you
know anything about the radio business,it's very sort of weird. Like the
charts are are again very fractured,as you point out, because there's very
little commonality, and then they tryand incorporate streaming in and it's yeah,
it's weird. The charts are veryvery weird now. So nobody buys records

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anymore, except except when they literallybuy actual records. Yes, that's right.
But everybody just listens to everything onstreaming now. So I mean,
I I look at my like mythe whatever it's called, not Spotify with
the Apple one, and like,I just like it's just like so everywhere,
you know, as far as likewhat I've listened to, you know,

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like yeah, oh yeah, mymy Spotify is all over the place.
But I got my I got myYear in Review. You know.
It was very very strange because Ilove and but I also love you know,
the Foo Fighters, and so it'sa weird sort of combo female singer
songwriters and and medium medium rock.So what do you call it? Medium

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rock? It's not because it's notreally hard rock. It doesn't really qualify
as hard rock. But it's notlike normal rock. It's not like Nickelback
or whatever. It's it's like it'ssomewhere in between. It's a little bit
heavier than than the rock, butnot not hard rock. Oh I do
like I do like hard rock andheavy metal also, but more classic that

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not so much. Yeah, Queen'sStone Age consider hard rock. I do
like Queens of the Stone Age hardrock. So yeah, so all right,
well that gets us through our tripback to the week of March thirty
first, twenty fifteen. So let'sget into this episode. So, you

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know, it opens up. Weopen up in the Marshall's office and they're
in crisis management mode because they havethey have Boyd Crowder in custody, which
is, you know, it's apretty big accomplishment when you think about it.
They've got a wounded Boyd cat Crowdercuffed to a hospital bed. They're
working on getting the bullet out ofhim, and then they're going to eventually

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transfer him into a jail. ButArt comes in because he's he's been summoned
and he's shaved and wearing a suit, so you know, it's not good
news, and he even refers tothat when Rachel asks him how bad it
is. He says, I shavedand he tried to take the fall for

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Rachel, because that's what Art does, right. Art's a good boss for
the most part, and he triesto take the fall and say it was
his idea, but she had alreadytaken the fall because Rachel's a good employee.
And she admitted that it was herdecision to put Raylan on lead and
her decision to let Raylan Manajeva.And she asked if she suspended, and

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Art says no, He's not goingto take one of his best manhunters off
the board during a man hunt.More on that later, but they do
have Boyd and custody, and hiswound is mostly superficial. So it hit
his collarbone apparently, and shattered thebullet apparently it didn't shatter his collarbone,
which is remarkable, and and soBoyd is Boyd is mostly okay, though

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he's in a bit of pain anduh, and Raylan pays a visit and
they have a quick conversation. Ihave a few I have. I have
six clips this week. I usuallyonly have four or five. But but
the clips that I have generally area little bit shorter this week because they're
they're a little punchier. The scenesare a little bit shorter, a little
bit punchier. The dialogue is alittle bit less this week. There's a

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lot of action in this episode.So here's our first clip. Exactly true?
Is it which you told him aboutbringing me here? I called it
in make sure they knew you wereemergent. You handcuffed me to a bumper.
He left me there with that somuch as a fairly will. You
could hear the sirens on their waymust have given you some solace. I

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don't suppose you've come to tell meyou found it. I found a truck
some down the road, abandon nosign beyond. Gotta suck be that close
to the prize, have it shotout of your hand. I kind of
know how you feel. Oh youdon't. I don't believe in the world
where you know how I feel.I didn't realize disappointment was a domain exclusive

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unto board craft. Well running.If we're gonna play it that simple,
then let's talk about your disappointments.What disappoints you Run and Gibbings, the
fact that you wanted the one whogot to shoot me? Where's she going?
We will be out of here.I'll take you straight too. That's
funny, I would It doesn't haveto be funny. Come on, running,

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Me and you one more ride together. See if we can't find a
reasonable solution to our problem. Whichis our problem exactly the money or Ava
will ain't do the same problem.Ryanning orth it to you. I'm gonna
get out of here, Ryanlan,center or later, one way or another,
I'm gonna get out of here.And when I do, I'm won'ta

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go get that money. What setsme to thinking how long you think she's
gotten long enough for you to exget your great escape get to her before
Markham and his boys do. ThenI got to wondering further what they're gonna
do to her if they get therefirst. Maybe she has whatever that is
coming. Oh, I see,and you're cool with that themditionette retribution,

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however, they see fit are you? And Boyd eventually comes around and says,
hey, you know what, gocheck on Zacharyle because that might be
where ever went. That's the placei'd go if I were if I were
not in here, that's the placethat I would go. I like this
exchange between Raylan and Boyd, andI like it because it's of what it's

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not, and what it's not iswhat Boyd proposes. Hey, let's go,
let's go get her. I'll takeyou right to her. You know,
let me out of here. We'regonna go, We'll go get over
right now. In a lesser show, that would be how the next couple
of episodes play out. But thisshow is like, no, no,
we've done that already. This thishas gone too far for this to ever

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be a possibility. So no,you're gonna stay there, cuff to that
hospital bed. Raylan's not letting youout even if you don't give up the
info. And it's not like thefirst time that Raylan has left a boyd
like stuck somewhere handcuff to the tree. Last yeah, it was last season
right with four? Yeah, seasonfour? Oh yeah, that's right.

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Yeah, yeah, but yeah,and and I do it's very consistent with
Raylan's character to leave him bleeding inhandcuffed to a bumper. I've got to
go after it, but I've gotsomething important to do. You stay here.
I mean he did say that,like you could hear the sirens,

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right, And yes, you canhear the sirens, And I love the
little added kind of sound, thelittle sweetener that they threw in there because
they're in the hospital, and youcan hear the beeping of the machines and
whatnot. But if you listen whenthere's a pause in the dialogue after he
says you could hear the silence ofthe distance must have given you some solace.
You could actually hear sirens in theback round. So nice little work

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by the by the sound editor andthe Foley artists there put that together.
I liked it. But it wouldhave been funny if you know, they
had that beeping in the background,if like his pulse would like just would
rail and shows up and just goeslike faster. Oh yeah, speeds up,
his blood pressure spikes, yeah,and the nurse comes in like,

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what's going on in here? Yeah. You would think after having just been
released from surgery, he wouldn't bejust an a normal private hospital and would
be in an ICU or something,right, like you have an oxygen like
at least the the little nose thingand all that. Oh yeah, he's

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uh, Bruce willis in unbreakable,Yes, but based on how the next
two episodes play out, you mightactually be right about that by the end
of by the end of episode thirteenwhen they when they have a final standoff,
he's uh, he's not even hedoesn't even look hurt anymore. No,

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that's right, that's right. He'scompletely forgotten his gunshot work. And
that's over the course of what fortyeight hours maybearly barely forty hours, and
after multiple like physical conflicts and likeclimbing up a mountain. Yeah, it's
wild Almos getting blown up again.Yeah, so uh, speaking of climbing

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up a mountain, Zachariah and Evaare pulling a sled up a mountain with
all that money, and as wetalked about last week, that money weighs
about about two hundred pounds across thosetwo bags, two hundred and twelve,
two hundred and fourteen something like that. Yeah, yeah, And they're they're
headed up to a decommissioned aid stationthat was designed to help trapped miners that

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was built in the eighties but hasn'tbeen used because they closed down that mine.
And so they're using that as sortof a command post to try and
find another way to get further upthe mountain because they're heading for Groobs.
And we remember Groubs was mentioned earlierthis season when they were looking to figure
out a way to get ty Walkerout of town. They talked about Groobs

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and the moonshine trails up in themountains that could potentially get you out of
Harlan County, and those trails areamazed and Groubs is the only one who
knows them. So Eva is hopefulthat she can strike a bargain with Groobs
to help get her out of town. Zachariah thinks that he might be able

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to get an ATV started, butthat doesn't ever come to fruition. Yeah,
and oh sorry, go ahead.I was gonna say, I like
the note I had here because II hike pretty frequently. And the note
I had here is that they reallydo make the ascent like it's a very
steep ascent, and usually it doesn'treally translate will on camera as far as

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like how steep something is, butthat that shot where they're looking at where
that a station is is it makesyou like, I mean, you understand
how hard how difficult it would beto hike that in the cold calling all
that money? Yeah, yeah,would that weigh Yeah, exactly, and

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especially since zacharias no spring chicken,right, he's an alcoholic who's probably in
his sixties or seventies potentially even Yeah, yeah, yep. So uh,
And they talk about BOYD for asecond because Zave was very worried about Boyd.
But Zachariah, you know, putsher her fears to rest by saying,
hey, look, if he's alive, the Marshalls have him. If

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he's not alive, he's not somethingwe've got to worry about. So so
hopefully calm Zava down a little bit, although I don't think that she's going
to be super calm about Boyd untilshe sees a corpse or until she is
vanished into thin air. So andthen we get we get Mikey and Duffy.

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Uh. And I say, Mikey, but we should call him Mike
because he's not a not a bigfan of being called Mike. I don't
want to get hit like he hithe hit him. So so Mike calls
Catherine to uh to give him thelocation uh so that she can come and
claim Duffy. And while she's finalizingthose details, she walks into her her

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hotel suite and finds Markham there waitingfor her. Uh. And it's a
little menacing at first, and theyhave a conversation. They do profess their
love for each other, and Catherineproposes, Hey, look, why don't
you know I accepted your proposal?You love me, why don't we just
get married and not trust each other, just like everybody else in the world

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does. The basis of all goodmarriage good look, I mean all of
our parents. So yeah, sothey reach an a I would call it
an uneasy agreement myself, but Ithink they in their own heads, they're

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more they're more into it than itappears to be from the outside. Right.
Yeah, You've got this moment wherelike she reaches for her purse,
you know, in order to presumablysecure her gun, and he won't let
her have it. And then hestands up and kind of puts his hand
around her throat in a very sortof menacing way where you're left wondering like,

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oh, what's he gonna do here? And he chooses not to do
anything, and then in fact promisesthat if she lets him take care of
win Duffy, he'll bring her hishead as a wedding gift. And boy
does that get Catherine's panties wet.I was gonna say, well, there
is precedent, remember like when theythey when Catherine shot the what's his name,

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the uh SeaBASS? Yeah, youknow the wind like you know,
you laid the pipe tour back atthe end of that, Actually, you're
absolutely right about that. I forgotabout that. They were making out on
like the Sarah. So yeah,so this makes sense too when she's like,

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oh uh, you know, likebut you know, everybody has their
turn some people. Some people liketo be choked, people like to be
tied up. Other people like tomurder and bathe in the blood. I'm
not here to kink shame, No, don't let me yuck. You're young,

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guys, you do you so?Uh So, while all that's going
on in in Catherine's tell sweet Winis trying to sweet talk Mike to let
him go. He's volunteering to drive. He's telling Mike, hey, you
can pick the music sometimes or evencontrol the TV if you want to.

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And then you know, immediately swingsto anger. It's like any good abusive
relationship, right. He's Oh,I love you, I'm sorry, we
could work this out that When itdoesn't immediately work out, I can't believe
it. Shove that code up yourass or whatever he says. And Mike
he gives him a massive blow tothe dome and tells him, Hey,

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you were as close to family asI ever had. I believed in you
Win, it's not about the code. And we also find out that he
does not like being called Mikey,yes, which is definitely something we're hearing
about for the first time after sixseasons of Win calling him Mikey. All

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right after after that, we geta little scene with Loretta and and and
Boone is waiting for her in hercar, which did you this is after
school? Right? Did you getthat? Is that one? Yeah?
Okay, that's the way. Yeah, that's why I thought. I mean
she would could she had a bagwith her? Yeah, backpack, right,

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So that's what I thought too,And that's what I assumed. It's
it's just very unusual that I findit unusual that Loretta is going to school.
That's it doesn't seem like it wouldbe super high on her priority list
right now, given that she's tryingto acquire most of Harlan County, she's
trying to be a real estate mogulin Carland County, a real estate weed

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tycoon. And she's attending a publichigh school in Lexington. And you know
what's funny, Boone, his thingwould be, yeah to him, like
cruising the high school. Oh,absolutely, yeah, that's he calls that
a hard target area. That's whatI like about hospital girls. Man,

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I get older, they stay thesame as alright, alright, are right?
I can see Boone like, yeah, when he had that free tie,
it was just like driving by whateverHigh, Schoolectington High whatever. There's
a song in a Bloodhound or aline in a Bloodhound gang song. Three

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o clock on the dot. Timeto cruise the eighth graders. So Boone,
of course, being the creep thatwe've correctly identified him as, here
proposes an alliance in the creepiest possibleway. And I have a clip of
that sheep, buggle. I'm justlooking to keep my girls safe? Are

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you looking for this? Come on? When I was a kid, I
can't tell you how money Foster Daddy'sI had, angry pricks won in all
day three hots and a cop withthe side of ass whoop. When I
come to relize solely on my ownwherewith all tender age, not unlike yourself,

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I'm here and tales about all thismoney. You supposed to be a
guy, no doubt giving you asense of confidence. I can tell you
what Malcome's got a lot more.What's your point? You can watch the
hand street channel things that your marriagesweren't about love or don't know my ants.

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Those sentiments didn't even factor in.They were about alliances to end the
wars, making each side stronger advanced. Then the means the income, and
you understand, And I got noidea what the hell you're talking about.
I'm saying, if I had hada mister Markham by my side back then,
I had jumped on as fast asa bullet, offering an opportunity Tucky

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in with us. You say,yes, we'll always be watching your back.
I don't need anybody watching my back. Least of all, you not
fire in your belly what I do. Most girl, be careful lest to

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burn your brain. So you can'thave good reason. So I find it
interesting and I think it's a coollittle parallel that they drew here, right,
we know, and we've talked aboutthis on the show before, where
Raylan has a soft spot for Lorettabecause he sees some of himself in her,

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in in the way she's been broughtup and and her life coming up
as a kid in in Harlan.He sees himself a little bit in her,
and it's sort of kind of howhe felt about Kendall Crow at the
same the same time, right,he has a soft spot for him,
And then we hear from Boone andBoone also sees himself in Loretta, which

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is why he has a fondness forLoretta. Uh that he acts on a
little bit differently than Raylan does,of course, but but it's it's a
it's a neat little sort of parallelthat we've that we've drawn here as everybody's
sort of is sort of reliving theirchildhood through Loretta, much to Loretta's detriment.

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Yeah, that's a good point.I think that he uh yeah,
well, you know, that's that'sthe for me, you know, like
that's what makes you who you are, right when you're growing up, what's
imprinted in you, what memories youhave. So yeah, it's it's very
interesting. I think it's I thinkit's very clever for the for the for
the writers to to sort of dothat and make make it so that Boone

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is Boone is creepy and and ahorrible sociopath most likely pedophile murderer, but
but also but also has a softspot for her because of his upbringing and
how he was how he was raised. Yeah. Uh, there's there's a
there's a sort of objective perspective righton that that you look at and you

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go, oh, that's interesting.You know, maybe he's you know,
he's he's a terrible person now,but maybe if things were different, he
could be more like Coloretta. Yea. I love this scene. I love
the scene that comes up next,which is you know, there's there's a
scene almost a blowoff scene with Raylanand Tim and the mine. The only

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thing that the only thing that Ilike about that scene, and it's our
Kentucky Fred Wisdom moment of the week. Say, boy, you cover about
as much as a flapper skirt ina high attention Look at me when I'm
talking to you. Show look sisters, any of this filtering through that little
blue body yours pay attention. SoI'm looking at me when I'm talking to
The one thing I like about thatscene as as that Tim gets the line

(33:15):
I've been to mortar, but notthrough the mines, which is a Lord
of the Rings reference that is entirelylost on Raylan, of course, because
Tim can't Tim can't take anything seriously. I have a little bit in common
with Tim and some of some ofthose situations. But but yeah, so

(33:36):
Tim's never been down a mine.They're getting ready to go down the mine
when they see the AID station anddecide to go investigate that instead. But
we get that that little quip fromfrom Tim that he's been to mortar but
not through the mines. And letme tell you, based on where Tim
has been, he probably has beento mortar, no doubt. Yeah.
No, so work in work inthat Lord of the Rings reference. Yeah,

(33:58):
but the scene that I like,I really enjoy is the Carl and
are all telling their war story inprison. They're reliving their their armored car
robbery bust and trying to figure outwhat happened. And Carl gets pissed at
Oral for for jumping on his story. He's I'm the one telling it.
And it's so great because there's atthe same time there's there there's a you

(34:22):
could see there's a stenciled painted signon the wall that says all interactions are
subject to video and audio recording.And these guys are admitting their crimes just
in front of everyone. Well,they're talking to that big the big white

(34:44):
guy, you know, like whoknows what that guy was in jail for?
Right, But I think it's likeone of those things where they're trying
to, you know, like tellthe story to kind of impress the guy.
Oh for sure, absolutely, Yeah, what are you in for?
Oh let me tell you what happento me. This is a great moment
where he's like, you know,it's like that old saying, and Earl

(35:06):
goes, crime doesn't pay no,no honor among thieves. Oh god,
that's funny. It's I I likethe Carl and Earl stick, and I'm
sorry that we aren't going to getmore of it. So well, they're
while they're having that conversation, thethe dirty cops come in and clean out

(35:30):
the cell and bring in Markham andBoone, who essentially make a proposal and
mark them. Markham tells, uh, Carl that hey, BOYD betrayed you.
He used you guys as pawns anduh and and while you were distracting
everybody else, he kidnapped my fianceand used that to get the ten million

(35:52):
dollars and he cut you guys outof it and served you up to the
Marshalls. And Carl slowly sort ofdawns on and that, oh shit,
that's exactly what happened. And hesays, hey, look, you are
going to go. I'm gonna getyou out of here because I know a
dirty judge. I'm going to getyou out of here. And you were
going to go find a Boyd andfind my money. And if Boyd doesn't

(36:16):
know where my money is, you'regonna kill him. And if Boyd does
know where my money is, oncehe tells you where it is, you're
going to kill him. So you'regonna kill Boyd and get my money back.
And and unless you do it,in fact, I'm gonna kill I'm
gonna come back here and I'm gonnakill Earle. And we learned that Boone's
gun is named Jenny also, andJenny's gonna blow him a kiss if he

(36:38):
doesn't do what he's supposed to do. So so they break Carl out and
send him on his way to toget the information out of Boyd and then
kill him. While all that's goingon, the Marshalls are investigating the aid
station. They find that Ava andZachariah have been there. They start to

(37:00):
you know, they say they setup a perimeter. I always think of
twenty four when I hear rail andsay, that's right, that's right,
and they come to the conclusion thatthey've been there, but they're gone.
And I wondered, you know,they don't talk about this and they never
show it. But again, Ilike the show exactly because they don't have

(37:22):
to show everything. They don't haveto tell us everything. They know their
audience is smarter than that. Iassume that they heard on the radio that
the Marshalls and the locals were comingup the mountain to investigate the AID station,
and as soon as they heard that, because remember Zachariah at the in
the early part of the episode saidhe brought a radio so that they'd know
they would know they were coming beforethey knew they were coming. And I

(37:45):
assume that thanks to Zacharai's radio,they got early warning and were able to
head out from the AID station tohead up towards groups. Then we get
this scene with Vasquez, Art andRachel, and Vasquez he lays it down
for Art and Rachel about what's goingon and how perilous this situation is for

(38:08):
all of them and their careers,and and I have a clip of that
here, and then I have Ihave a couple of comments, but I
also have a question. After weplay this. It's beyond bad, Chief,
it's career ending mine and yours.And you're the one who told me
to put Raylan in the lead.Why did you call us in here?

(38:30):
Fasquez? Where is he? Where'swho? He's working the fugitive. As
the closest deputy to the case,he is the most likely to find Jesus
art. Seriously, I mean really, seriously, God damn it, what
did he promise you? Cut?I'm gonna do you the goddamn common courtesy

(38:55):
of pretending I didn't hear that shitcome out of your mouth. He was
being her in the past. He'salmost certainly banging her now. His banging
her in the past, wreck thecriminal case back then, and then here
we are again, now history repeatingitself. And then he lets her shoot
his h whatever the hell you wantto call BOYD, that's convenient. And
this Marshall, whom we've defended uncountlessquestionable shootings, well he decides this time

(39:20):
he's gonna holster his piece and he'sjust gonna wave goodbye as she drives away.
You take umbrage with me all youwant, Chief Deputy mull and you
give me that look like you wantto choke me right now, but eventually
that both of you are gonna haveto come to grips with the reality.
And in your version of reality,your Marshall and his girlfriend have stolen ten

(39:40):
million dollars right out from under ournoses. I mean he's not wrong,
right, Yeah, from the outside, not knowing what we the audience know
as kind of omniscient viewers, itcertainly looks bad. Railing was in fact

(40:01):
banging Ava in the past, didin fact ruin a criminal case, has
in the past been accused of beinga little liberal with the use of the
firearm, and does not choose todo it in this instance. I mean
these are bad facts, yeah,yeah, And so what is the what
is the fallout from that? Right? I mean we see towards at the

(40:21):
end of the episode, but Ijust think that it's been building. I
mean that that's obvious, right,even since the first season. Yeah,
Vasquez has had a hard on forRailing from day one, right, And
this is not the first time he'saccused Raylan of being in kodes with Boyd.
It's not the first time he's accusedRailing of being dirty, and you

(40:42):
know it's got to trigger for Arta few things. When when Vascaz starts
talking like this, right, it'sgot to trigger the whole two hundred thousand
Winona thing. It's got to makehim think about that. It's got to
make him think about the Nikki AugustineSin. Yeah, it's gotta start triggering

(41:04):
sort of arts, thinking like,holy crap, has has he really been
dirty this whole time? And I'mfalling for it? Yeah? And uh,
I you know, I don't knowif like Rachel and Tim necessarily believe
it, but you know again it'syeah, boy, enough smoke. It
looks like there might be a littlebit of fire behind it. Yeah,
I mean you have like if ifyou really think you can't just be like

(41:29):
right or die like you know,I don't think, I mean unless you
really know somebody. But even then, you know, how many people,
how many like, uh, peoplewho've been convicted of murder, like you
know, oh, like I alwaystalk to the guy. He never you
know, like, yeah, itwas nice to be you know. Well,
and it's particularly profound or particularly commonplace in local law enforcement. Right,

(41:54):
yeah, cop shoots, cop shootsa unarmed person, Well so that
person deserved it, all right,Yeah, it's not that the cop is
bad or dirty or or a murderer. It's that the criminal deserved it or
the person deserved it. Yeah,yeah, that thin blue lined thing.
And Vasquez may have cracked it alittle bit. But yeah, Raylan's about

(42:19):
to get on a helicopter in fact, when when Art calls him and tells
him, hey, uh, youneed to head back to the office,
and he's very very serious about it, and so Raylan Raylan takes him,
agrees to it, and uh anddecides to head back to Lexington right up
until the next thing happens. Andwe'll talk about it. We'll talk about

(42:42):
that in a moment here. Butuh. But so there's this scene where
the choppers are flying overhead and Avaand Zacharia are in the trees and she's
holding a gun like it's a toywith her with her giant gloves on,
like she's ever going to be ableto shoot that. But I swear that
the the I don't know if itwas a local or if it was a

(43:04):
state police or who it was,said that the camera they had one of
the helicopters had a fleer camera,the infrared camera. Yeah, you would
think they would be able to seethem through the trees with the infrared camera.
Right, yeah, that's what That'sthe thing that I noted too,
because that was the whole you know, like he set it up when he
was like pitching the railing, Hey, come on right on the helicopter,

(43:28):
you know, like, especially inthat cold, they should like if they
had that infrared, they should havebeen able to. Yeah. Yeah,
that was a little odd. Ithought that was a little unusual. Maybe
there's an explanation for it, butbut you know, it's also one of
those things where it's like, Okay, well look, you know, the

(43:49):
level of incompetence, uh, youknow is pretty high except for Railing and
Tim potentially, and so if Raylanand Tim are not on that chopper,
maybe they're not going to see him. But it's a man hunt, right,
I didn't buy I didn't buy it. Yeah, yeah, yeah,

(44:10):
it kind of yeah exactly is it? I don't know, Should we tear
down the whole the whole series becauseof that? No, No, absolutely
not. It's just it's a plotconvenience. It's you know, and you
know, again, lesser shows getaway with a lot more plot convenience than
than this show does, for sure, And and you know, I did

(44:32):
want to make a comment on thewhole Raylan being dirty thing, like again
on a lesser show, that actuallywould have happened right like we would have
you know, we would have likein the next episode, we'd see,
you know, four minutes of flashbacksof Raylan saying and doing things that we
had never seen before that you know, lead into him being a dirty cop

(44:55):
or whatever. But but very muchnot the case here. And when I
said that next until that next thinghappens, well, the next thing that
happens is the croocket. Harlan sheriffsget Carl in to see Boyd, and
they distract Nelson by telling him thatthat Raylan's of the parking lot and wants
to talk to him, because ofcourse that makes sense, and Nelson goes.

(45:21):
Carl gets in pistol whips the deputy, which he deserved every inch of
That guy has been in That guy'sbeen in the show for a while too.
He's been a dirty cop, Ithink since since season two. I
think he was maybe one of thedeputies under under Doyle. If I'm not
mistaken, Oh really I think so. Yeah. So, so they get

(45:45):
him in to see Boyd and Carlpistol whips the sheriff turns the gun on
Boyd, and then Boyd uses thatsilver tongue man and tells Carl, Hey,
I'm gonna whack it up with you. Fifty to fifty anything I get
my hands on, I'll give youfifty percent of it's five million dollars.
Son, let's go and uh,and Carl falls for It's like Charlie Brown

(46:12):
exactly right, just just straight upfalls for it and h and pays with
his life by the time because bythe time Nelson realizes he's been had,
Boyd's in a sheriff uniform and uhusing his execution of Carl as his cover
for his escape. And so that'sthe end of that's the end of Carl.

(46:35):
Carl doesn't have enough lines for meto put together a good uh,
a good r I P clip forhim. But but but our I p
Carl even Raylan's very broken up aboutCarl, and and uh he may he
makes a visit to the hospital becausethat's what makes him turn around. And
actually I have a clip of ofthat short conversation with Tim here because I
think it's fantastic. Where's Nelson somewherewishing he wasn't swear. Get me back

(47:00):
up. Everyone's out looking for Ava. The word I got is you're supposed
to be headed back to Lexington.Face this bast ca. It's headed back
to Lexington. Then I got wordcrowded, escape Marshall's custody. Reframe my
priorities somewhat creepy, houx. Howtedyou've seem right now? Not that I
am questioning your priority. My prioritiesare straight. Uh huh. So you're
gonna keep cool when I tell youyou need to follow arts orders head back

(47:20):
to Lexington. Give me something here, point me in the direction a couple
of hours. I'll see. Thejoke here is that I give you directions
back to Lexington. Since you knowwhat this here is this Carl Jesus christ
Man, Karl, I know it'sweird, and maybe you should ask him
about that when you get back tothe office, Tim, Can we stop
pretending there's any version of this conversationthat ends with me going to the office.
I help you out. Are yougonna come in on that ten minion?

(47:45):
It's just a fantastic. It's reallygood with them just basically insisting.
Then he go back to Lexington overand I know it's weird, right,
Maybe you can talk to him aboutit when you get back to the office,
Carl Man. But it really thisthis scene is so good because it

(48:07):
shows just how kind of cold hearteduh boyd is here, just entirely devoid
of passion, burning every bridge thathe can possibly burn to get where he
needs to go. Yeah, yeah, everybody's saying Carl in that the episode
reminds me of the one car otherCarl that I know of, like the

(48:30):
Carl from The Walking Dead, theway they pronounce that Carl, because Andrew
Lincoln is like a Welsh or something. And yeah, yeah, he's another
one of those guys who has anAmerican who does the American accent like really
well except for a few words,except for every once in a while,

(48:51):
like like Stringer Bell will also yeahthat he is an English accent. But
the Stringer Bell is fantastic in theWire. But but Dominic West his his
character every now and then he wouldjust slip right back into his British accent.
It was great. Yeah, SoRaylan is not going back to Lexington,

(49:15):
which is likely to have consequences.Carl has failed in his mission,
so Boone breaks the news to Markham, and Markham says, okay, well,
let's get let's get Earle out,and you know we're gonna kill him
then, because that's what that's thepromise we made. But but Raylan,

(49:35):
in another, you know, inanother case of right place, right time
for Raylan, just so, justso, happens to stumble across the dirty
Harlan sheriffs processing Earl's release about totake to deliver him to Markham and instead
take him into custody. Instead takeshim, takes Earl into custody himself,

(49:59):
and and makes it clear that heknows that those cops are dirty. Before
we move on, though, Idid want to go back to one thing
that I'd forgotten to mention. Iwas thinking about Art uh and Uh and
the Marshall's office, and I Isaw something and I thought to myself,
boy, I wonder if this hasever crossed Art's mind. And he hasn't

(50:19):
been in the office a whole lotthis season, But do you think Art
ever looks at that tombstone poster onthe wall and goes, man, Avery
Markham looks an awful lot like thatguy. That's right, very meadow.
It's like that super when Superman takesoff his glasses beer shaped. Maybe that's

(50:46):
why, maybe that's the whole pointof why they why they had him take
the mustach off that they could keepthe Tombstone poster up on the wall.
Man, he looks like brother exactly. Well they you know that there's a
new Superman and what is a Superman? And Lois on HBO Max have you

(51:08):
heard of this? It's like,yeah, they, I don't know,
Like it just came on on HBOMax and it's uh, it's it's okay.
But there was a there's the partwhere they moved back to Smallville,
right, like Lois Lade and Clarkand they have kids, and like in
the first episode, it's like theyhe reveals to them because they're like teenagers

(51:31):
and they're trying to get away fromlike Metropolis and you know, like get
away from all the bad guys orwhatever. And there's the scene where he's
like trying to tell his his kids, Hey, these teenagers, Hey,
you know, I'm Superman. Andit's that same thing where he just he
takes off his classes, the classesand then it's like, oh, it's

(51:54):
super band. They had the musicin the background and all that other stuff.
It's thinly veiled disguise. I loveit. Yeah, Oh my god,
Superman, where Superman? Going backon where'd he go? He was
just here? So that that shouldbe a thing like every time they have

(52:20):
a new Superman, because you knowthat they're always going to just like you
know, like just run that franchiselike reboot every time. So that should
just be a meme at this That'sone of those characters that I'll just never
ever go away, even though Iyou know, in my opinion, Superman
is one of the worst comic bookcharacters because he's too powerful. I he's
op Yeah, he's okay, it'sokay. It's a lot less fun,

(52:43):
right when when you don't have anyreal weakness, like like legitimate sort of
like practical weaknesses. Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's it's a tough thing,
and it's i mean, his onlyweakness is the is the ecryptie,
and so that's always the thing thatthat always makes it he always shows up.
Oh that's oh yeah Superman. Yeah, okay, well what is it?

(53:07):
Good tonight? My favorite ryptonite isthe one in Superman three with Richard
Pryor where he turns where it makeshim like a mean drunk. I like,
I like the was the Superman onewhere it was Gene Hackman as Lex

(53:28):
Luthor. Oh yeah, yeah hewas. He was uh in all four
of those original Superman movies he wasLex Luthorn. Okay, well, I'm
just I can't remember because I likemy favorite plot line and still valid is
the is the nuclear weapons underneath?Like igniting him so to turn like a
Nevada into beachfront property. You gotto make California break off from I love

(53:52):
that. That's the one where heflies backwards around the world right to release.
Yeah, man, well I'm surewe're wrong about that. Actually,
Groundless podcast at gmail dot com.Come on, nerds, yeah, come

(54:15):
on, comic that's what you got, Like, we're not the ones who
brought up Superman. So all right, well, uh we're at the moment.
So in an absolutely masterful scene,uh, Catherine Hale arrives at Win

(54:38):
Duffy's motor coach to uh to executehim, and uh, before she does,
she she makes a little speech andin that speech she talks about loyalty
and betrayal and avenging your partner,and that causes Mike to ask for lenience

(55:01):
and says, hey, look,he's learned his lesson. Let's say we
let him go and UH, andCatherine has no patience for it, so
she she shoots Mike in uh inthe torso and UH turns the gun on.

(55:22):
When Mike attacks her, she shootshim several more times in the torso
and there's a continuing struggle. Uh. He eventually kills her by breaking her
windpipe and then falls down bleeds out, but not before he gives Win the
handcuff key to free himself and UHand then bleeds out on the on the

(55:46):
flour of the motor coach and diesand Duffy calls nine to one one and
he's asked what the emergency is andhe says, I'm not even sure where
to start. But the third timewe've seen Win Duffy's motor coach covered in
blood and Win himself and win himself, Yeah, at least three or four

(56:09):
times, right like, well,yeah, I mean we've got we've got
you know, ned Ryerson in theNikki Agustin kills him. We've got a
picker in Detroit. We've got theuh Gary Busey's kid blowing himself up.

(56:30):
And now we have Catherine and Mikeyand that's the end of both of them.
And so you know, normally wedo a we do a little R
I P segment set to a boysto Men's song. But after watching the
scene, I was inspired a littlebit and uh and so I have something

(56:51):
a little bit different for us todaythis season just about some cold You were
as close to family as I everhad. I believed in you win,

(57:14):
smug, little hobbit looking beaner shitbird or to the jury, what a
no account savage my late husband was. I'll hope you're right out here.
You spoke walk about my shirt ninethirty in the morning. He loves glock.
Brady was my husband. He wasmy partner, and HER's hout works.
You protect your partner and you avengethem against people who do them.

(57:38):
Well, that is something, asstrongly believe it. I don't like that
guy. He applexes me. Goddamn Avery Markham, I love you,

(57:59):
so are I P two Uh toMike Cosmo Cosmotopolis and Catherine Hale on the
flour of Win Duffy's motorcrutch. Ithink this is our first double kill.
If I'm not mistaken. Oh werethey not trade? But they both kill
each other. Yeah, yeah,I think so. Yeah, this was

(58:22):
definitely the most like one of themore graphic like bodies of the way the
bodies end up. So there wasthere's a there's a couple of moments during
the fight where like there's a there'sa sea. I mean, after Mike's
been shot in the chest like fouror five times, I lost track of
the number of gunsries he manages topick Catherine Hale up over his head and

(58:45):
slamm her down on the table andyou can see that there's clearly a stunt
person and it's not it's not MarySteinberg being smashed onto the table. But
but other than that, it waspretty well choreographed and probably pretty intense to
film that in such a tight space. Yeah. Yeah, it's like one

(59:07):
of the like Austin powers that theywould like they would do the fight scenes
and they would that's a baby Wether, that's a man. Yeah. It
does always crack me up when youcan when there's a when there's a stunt

(59:29):
seed and it's a dude in awig, like you can tell he's like
got a beard or whatever. Soso yeah, that's so ends Catherine Hale,
so ends Mikey and uh, andWin is Win is a bit shell
shocked. We don't know what's gonnahappen with Win just yet, because you

(59:49):
have to imagine after Avery finds out, Uh, he's gonna want some vengeance
as well. So do you thinkdo you think that he was the trigger
man also who killed the attorney andGrady? Do I think Win did it
himself? Yeah? No, noWin Orchestra. Remember the guy who the
guy who blew off Grady Hail's headwas a guy who liked shotguns and worked

(01:00:13):
for Win. We warned that afew episodes, and then that guy got
killed after he got bailed out ofprison. Yeah, now the Win might
have done that one. But butyeah, I think I think when you
know, Win has never been afraidto get his hands dirty, but if
he can avoid getting his hands dirty, he chooses to do so. He'd

(01:00:35):
much rather have a Boid crowder ora uh uh Darryl crow junior, or
are any of his any of hisother picker or whoever? Do they do
killing for him? I think?Yeah, yeah, especially given that he's
got a little bit of a spotlighton him from the Marshall servant. So

(01:01:01):
uh, Raylan pays a visit tothe portal, has a short stand off
with Boone where they get a littlebit of a false start on their showdown
that we all know is coming,and Uhlan Raylan breaks the news to h
to Markham because Markham hasn't heard yet. At the same time, he also
gives Markham a warning and I havea clip of that. I'll be brief.

(01:01:25):
They got a kid out in mycar's nervous being this close to the
portal. I got no idea whatyou're talking about. It's all right,
time comes you and her boat cantell it to the judge. So he's
singing about how his brother get didenough to put you away for a good
stretch. So to that end,you were gonna leave off chasing after that

(01:01:46):
money. You your shit here,cop Army, anybody else you got involved,
and you are definitely gonna abandon anythoughts you got causing harm to the
lady stole it. You misread myintentions, did, But I got no
cause to engage in that kind ofbehavior. What is my own will?

(01:02:07):
And I'm just starting to feel likeI'm home at last, setting down roots
with my lady friend, your ladyfriend. She and I are going to
own this county, so town,you grew up in street, you rode
your back down. Youll know.I don't know what mister Markham, your

(01:02:31):
lady friend is dead. As ofa half hour row went pretty badly as
I understand it, and the confinesof a motor coach belonging to win Duffy.
All this is on you as youundertake your grieving. May that guide

(01:02:59):
you to contemplate your next move.I wonder when I hear that. I
always wonder, and I don't thinkthere's any truth to it, but there
might be a little, a littlekernel of truth to it where Markham is
like, hey, why am Igonna, you know, blow up my
spot here trying to you know,I'm going to set fire to this entire

(01:03:21):
county to try and get my moneyback. I'm trying to make hundreds of
millions of dollars, not chase tenmillion. And so I think there might
be some some vague legitimacy to thatthat he wasn't going to go full scorched
earth. He was going to tryand get his money from Boyd and then
try and find Ava if he could, but not not blow up the county

(01:03:44):
while he did it. I don'tknow though, maybe he's just full of
shit too. Yeah, well,I don't know. I mean the sense
that I've got from Markham is he'snot I mean he he does that says
I get to from him is thathe like he makes a commitment and that's

(01:04:05):
the way he is. Like,he's not like, I don't get this
sense he's like, say, Boyd, who could be very duplicit is yeah,
yeah, so maybe not. Butat the same time, I always
I also wonder about this is isthis did Raylan give up Ava here?
Because what we haven't heard from thispoint. Before this point, Markham didn't

(01:04:28):
know Ava had that money. Boonedidn't know Ava had that money. They
haven't mentioned Ava's name. They onlywent after Boyd and they had Carl try
to find out where Boyd where themoney was. And so they didn't know,
not that they wouldn't have eventually foundout, but they didn't know.
I don't think they knew that Avahad that money. I think Raylan actually
tipped them to it here. Ohthat's a that's a good point. So

(01:04:54):
huh oh that's a good yeah.So where does what does that leave with?
So what does that leave Raylan?As far as why why would he
do that other than what I mean, what's the motive there? Yeah,
I mean it's I don't think itwas. I don't think it's necessarily intentional
on Raylan's part, right, Ithink Raylan thought that they knew already that

(01:05:15):
Ava had that money, or atleast suspected that Ava had that money.
I mean, look, it wouldbe a natural sort of suspicion, right,
BOYD gets arrested, Ava is nowhereto be found. You you sort
of draw those draw those lines,you connect those dots. But I don't
think Markham had thought it through thatthoroughly to this point, and so Raylan

(01:05:38):
kind of short circuited it for him. I think, hmm, yeah,
well that's something that to think about. It certainly sets it certainly sets events
on the path that they go throughover the next couple episodes. And yeah,
And once Raylan wraps up his conversationin the portal, he heads out
finds Earl still in the car.He's worried about getting shot in the Marshall's

(01:06:00):
car outside the portal, and heoffers Earle protective custody if he testifies against
Markham. Instead of all of that, Earl gives up groobs and pig shit
trucks. So he basically said,hey, when when they were talking to
ty Walker about getting him out oftown, they mentioned two things. They
mentioned pig shit and they mentioned groups, and we all know pig shit is

(01:06:24):
Limehouse, and we know that Boydand Ava's exit from Limehouse was not going
to be in a pig shit truckbecause he got passports and a car and
all that from from Limehouse. SoRaylan already knows that. So Raylan knows
that it's not it's not pig shittrucks. So he says, okay,

(01:06:45):
it's got to be groobs. SoRaylan says, okay, I'm I need
to go and find Groubs and findAva and probably Boyd at the same time.
Unfortunately, Ava and Zachariah reached Groubs'scabin finally, after hours of hiking
in the woods, presumably being chasedby cops, dogs and helicopters, and

(01:07:09):
still not caught carrying two hundred poundsof money with an old man. I
don't know it. Again, it'sa little unconvincing, but you know it's
fine. Uh. They reached Grooves'scabin and the curse look, the curse
has been inherited. Ava has inheritedthe Boyd Crowder curse. And they get

(01:07:31):
there and Groobs is long dead.Guy's been dead for months, it appears,
and he is not going to behelping them find their way around those
Moonshine trails, that's for sure.So it doesn't look like it was.
It just looked like maybe he justkilled those yeah heart attacker or whatever,

(01:07:54):
just never never woke up or whatever. He and then melted into the ground
into his for I'm wondering if hiseyes got eaten, well, you know,
like maybe it's just they just hiseyes went away. Yeah, I
don't know how bodies and skull orwhatever. I don't know. You gotta
figure at some point he was beingmunched on by some wildlife too. That

(01:08:15):
that cabin yeah, particularly sealed upfrom the the world outside. Yeah,
so uh yeah, so he's longdead. It was very frustrated. They
don't They no longer have an exitplan, but they do have ten million
dollars, which can get you alot of exits, assuming you can make

(01:08:38):
the right connections. So we'll seewhat happens from here and then Raylan we
see in a show of object stupidity, takes off his badge, leaves it
in the car and fields a callfrom Art. And that's our final clip.

(01:09:00):
Demons, tell me you're on yourway in. Yeah, you got
to locate in the car. Youfind a kid in that I picked up
and used to wear for boy justput them in PC. You'll give you
some good charges on Marcum. Hepulls his head out of the ads long
enough to do it. Or youcould honor the responsibility that comes with wearing
that badge and bring him when youcome back here right now like you were
ordered, come back when I getboyed, or even the money for all

(01:09:23):
three? Are you sure you wantto do this? I don't see as
I got a choice. Seek yousee where I got a choice? You
got forty eight hours railing. That'sall I can give you. Forty hours
bullshit you got coming after me?Everybody you got too high an opinion of
yourself, of course you always have. Everybody's out looking for BOYD. I'll

(01:09:48):
be the one coming after you.And there it is the showdown that we've
been waiting for. You got fortyeight hours. He takes off this badge.
That's come on, I'm gonna haveyour badge. Yeah. I do
love that they turned the trope onits head, right, He's like,

(01:10:09):
oh, if I can get youforty eight hours and he's like, bullshit,
you're coming after me right now.So well he did kind of,
wasn't that when he gave what's hisname at the club in Miami, he's
twenty four hours and he shows upearly. Yeah, so that's that's what

(01:10:35):
that's where things are left. Sowe've got Ava on the run, Boyd
on the run, and Railing onthe run ostensibly chasing both of them.
Markham is a man with nothing leftto lose and everything to gain. Ten
million dollars out there and everybody's chasingthe money. Everybody's chasing Ava. And

(01:11:00):
we've got an exciting couple of episodescoming up here, filled with peril and
death. So and uh, somesurprises still, very much so, I
would say very much so some surprises. So all right, any anything we
we didn't get to that you had, like Bood is just like the whole

(01:11:25):
thing. You got to feel myball right purple they're so blue? Yeah,
I think just like uh, justlike Catherine and uh and uh,
what's Markham like? You know?He just he expresses how much he gets
into the danger of the peril expresstheir sexuality. It's very creepy. Yeah,

(01:11:57):
all right, well, uh inthat case, let's get to our
final segment. I was telling myfriends this morning yesterday, coming in and
we don't get out of town intwenty four hours. I'm gonna shoot you
one site. Are you gonna shoothim? I'll get four of you before
you even clear your webs. Nottake more chances with the other you get
the chance, shoot him in thenuts. Help pull my side arm West.

(01:12:21):
I'm going to shoot to kill.Are you gonna shoot him? To
Raylan and Raylan. Raylan doesn't evenpull his gun. He came close,
but he does not shoot anybody.In this episode, there were the three
deaths Carl, Catherine, Hale,and Mike. I just had an interesting

(01:12:42):
note like I don't know if youever read like people who get shot,
you know, like they talk aboutbullets and stopping power and stuff, and
it's pretty common for people to survive, like pistol shots, pistol rounds.
So like when Mike he might hehad a very silim chance of actually surviving
getting shot, like the five timesor four rounds, whatever it was.

(01:13:04):
That that Catherine put into them.What kind of what kind of a revolver
was that Catherine was using. Itlooked like it was the forty four maybe.
I think it was just like aregular like a three eighty, like
a Saturday, right, yeah,and uh yeah, it's it's just uh
you know, like they're like,it's better getting shot by a pistol round

(01:13:27):
than like say a rifle round becausethe speed and the damage is going to
be as much. So yeah,yeah, that's well, that's why you
want to use if you're using ifyou're using a pistol or whatever, you
want to use the higher caliber,right because that's yeah, or the fragmenting
bullets. Yeah. Well the sayingis that you use your pistol to get

(01:13:48):
to fight your way to your rifle. Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah,
but but you know, obviously youcan't carry a rifle round everywhere, but
you know it would be very inconvenientright walking around Yeah yeah, yeah,
it depends on where you are.Actually some places you can carry it everywhere

(01:14:08):
if you want. Yeah, again, very inconvenient. It used to be
a big thing that people would carry, like open carry in California with like
the rifles and stuff. And thenlike people just like freak out. So
then they just said and I don'tlike, I don't think it's very constitutional
or whatever, but whatever your opinion. But they just made a low saying,

(01:14:28):
you know, you can't do thatanymore. Yeah, if you just
relatively really it was like two thousandand four, so two thousand and three
something like that, because I rememberthere'd being a big controversy about some dude
who was walking around Pacific Beach witha rifle. Yeah. Yeah, and
it would just be like the rightthey wouldn't carry it, Like I gu
said, the regulations at that timeor the laws were, you know,
you couldn't have a magazine loaded oryou know, like you're allowed to have

(01:14:51):
a magazine on you, but youwere allowed to have uploaded. That's exactly
right. Yeah yeah, but yeah, so so California just one of the
worst places to do, like,if you want to have a firearm,
it is. I got to tellyou, I was really interested to see
kind of what I don't know.I don't want to get too far.

(01:15:12):
I don't want to get too fardown this path on this show. But
you know, as somebody who's fromCalifornia, I recently traveled to Texas,
and what I was astonished by is, you know, the concept of freedom
and how it's expressed in Texas versushow it's expressed in California, and what
people think freedom is versus what itactually is, and it's it's really interesting.

(01:15:36):
I'm not gonna I'm not going toget into the details on that,
it's not the appropriate forum for it, but I just I just thought it
was really interesting that, you know, it's like, oh, come to
Texas, we have all this freedom, And I'm like, do you really
though, because like there's a fewthings that were very much felt, very
much less free than California from myperspective. So yeah, yeah, well

(01:16:00):
I just like that because you know, it's funny because I think I mentioned
this, but they have the rodeosin town right like or what it was
in town this past weekend at thetime that we're recording this, and kind
of like the people from Texas lovetell you about Oh they're their constitution and
hey, you know, we canleave the United States if we want to,
they'll and I guess like it justit's going to be on the ballot

(01:16:24):
as far as like at least aquestion of this like of whether the Texas
should leave the United States is comingup for a vote. Oh really,
so this will be yeah, yeah, for a primary up, like a
primary vote on the Republican ticket.So yeah, So that's that's such an
interesting thing because I personally I wouldlove to see that, just love to

(01:16:47):
see it. Well, there's amovie coming out in April that I think.
I think I saw that from eighttwenty four. Who is the only
studio making good movies right now asfar as I'm concerned, But it looks
it looks pretty interesting. I willsay that. Yeah, the Civil War
Woods what you're talking about, right, Yeah, Well, there's another one

(01:17:09):
that's out right now. The it'sa weird I can't remember what it's called,
but it's sort of a similar concept. I think it's like a it's
like a weird attack or something thathappens and it's on the Netflix movie or
something. Olympus has fallen with.He's in another one called Greenland, which

(01:17:33):
I watched, which is basically it'slike the same story as every like natural
disaster movie. So I like,I like the line of it was like
he was reading like a mean tweetor something like that. Remember the Jimmy
Kimmel tweet and like, so Ithink he was on there and he was
saying something like, oh, doesGerard Butler like have a lot of student

(01:17:55):
load because he makes some shitty movies. It's like, you know, in
the late late career, Robert deNiro was making be making moneys to pay
his baby's mom baby Mama's that's right, Well, he's been making like some
garbage movie. Well, I wouldsay, like The Meat Meet the Fokers,
that was like twenty years ago.I like that, Yeah, that

(01:18:17):
was you know, that's actually apretty The first one to Meet the Parents
is actually a pretty good movie.Yeah, oh yeah, yeah, yeah,
but analyze this oh yeah, yeah, right, well I think that
gets a strong well. By theway, uh you know this is this

(01:18:40):
podcast is being released on January first, twenty twenty four. Happy New Year,
everyone, Happy twenty twenty four.Hopefully it's better than twenty twenty three
for you, because that's the objectiveevery year. Yeah, I'm going to
try and ignore the fact that wehave an election next year. Would just

(01:19:02):
like a maybe Texas will be outof it. Yeah it could be.
Yeah, that primary initiative passes mightnot be might not be up in the
up in the air at all.But although all the it is probably by
feeling is it's probably not going topass. But just I would love to
see it, just because I thinkthere would be a couple of things,

(01:19:24):
the intellectual exercise for that, andthen who knows, like maybe it might
be like the start of a youknow, like the first domino to fall,
just like break up the United States. It's a forty forty four separate
republics, yeah, or it's goneso well over there. Well, I'm

(01:19:45):
more of the however many people arein this country, that's how many countries
there should be, each man ofcountry and that's right, bans homes,
castles, Yeah, yeah, yeah, all right, well again, Happy
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