S06E14 - An Ending of Sorts

"Every new beginning comes from some other beginning's end..."

It's time for the final episode of Groundless Justified!  Join your Groundless hosts this week for a look at the overall series of Justified, along with some of typical diversions you've come to expect from Chris and Randy.  In this episode your hosts:  explore our favorite and least favorite moments, storylines, episodes, and characters - including some surprising reveals; discover that a spinoff featuring Raylan in space is basically just Serenity; discuss the latest news about a new season of our favorite TV show; take a moment to really appreciate Neal McDonough's portrayal of Robert Quarles; compare Ava's jail arc to The Wire and the "gas leak" season of Community.

Oh, and we also announce our "next thing" (don't call it that) along with a tentative schedule for when you can put more Groundless into your earholes!

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Episode Transcript

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Rolling down the bull of buttons,speed a bowl cold there like a tail,
all light Tornado, Ringer promised,soul kits with one hand on the
glass pie. He hover hel devilriding shot gun singing boy, Let's make

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a deal. This is Groundless aJustified podcast. This is a podcast where
we watch every episode of Justified andcome on here and talk about it.
I'm Chris, that man is Randy, and we are back. That's right,
for one special episode. We areback. I guess I should have
said I should use past tense whenI said this is a podcast that what

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we were watch every episode of Justified, then come on here to talk about
This is a podcast where we watchedevery episode of just to Fight, then
came out here and talked about it, and uh, and now we're here
to talk a little bit about theoverall show, the whole thing, and
what we liked, what we didn'tlike, and uh, what we thought
we want to see more of.I've got some some fun stuff that we'll

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do here. I've got I've gotsome spin off ideas and some movie ideas
that I think I actually some ofthese. Some of them are jokes,
but some of them I would reallylove to see. Well some of them
are both, like they're both yeah, yeah exactly and yeah yeah, my
art is definitely a joke. Mythirty minute comedy called martial Art is definitely

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a joke. But thirty minute workplacecomedy. I'll detail that more when we
get there. But I was goingto say, I have I had my
Raylan in space Space space cowboy,right, I mean that space is Yeah,
it's called Firefly is a Western spaceright, Okay, that makes sense.

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That sounds like a really good show. I'm sure it wouldn't get aired
out of order and canceled after oneseason I hope not, because and then
make a really great movie that theynever made another one. I know,
I know that should have been atleast a trilogy movie series. They should
have, although they killed well nevermind, I'm not going to say that.

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Spoiler alert for those you know,there's there's some stuff that happens in
Firefly the movie that's not great.But all right, Well, let's the
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to keep up the relationship segment withwhat we're going to talk about. We're
doing next so awesome. I'm soexcited, actually kind of bumped up.
So I thought what we would dois we just kind of go through and
talk about some of the characters forthe show and kind of who we liked,
who we didn't like, and sortof break it down in like main

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cast versus sort of a seasonal castversus recurring and that sort of thing.
Because I think there's so many there'sso many really cool characters unsified that it's
you can forget people sometimes. Uh, you know, four seasons on and
uh and I thought I wanted totalk a little bit about that. So
so also I'm gonna start right,So, so who's my favorite cast member

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and the main cast? So thisis someone who's in multiple seasons or with
a regular credit in the opening themeand the opening theme, right, they
get their names in the opening theme. Uh and and and that's actually this
took me a minute because I hadto I had to sit and think it
out. But I think it's Boyd. And and the reason it's Boyd is
because Raylan is easy to figure out. He's his motivation is relatively simple to

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figure out. He's a he's hisoperation is simple. He's very He's got
a very clear and short instruction manual. Boyd, on the other hand,
has a very detailed and complicated instructionmanual, I would argue. And but
at the same time, he's verystraightforward, right, you never have to
worry about not knowing where you andwith Boyd. But at the same time,

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he's got you know, layers uponlayers upon layers of things, he's
thinking about and working on. Nownone of them ever work out because the
snake bit or whatever. But butI do like that Boyd is complicated,
but at the same time it feelshe feels very straightforward at the same time.

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So so Boyd is Boyd is probablymy favorite main cast character. I
don't know what about you. Well, I like Boyd Actually he was like
I considered him and uh, theperson I'm going to talk about next.
But as as my favorite, butBoyd is is, uh, he would
probably be my natural first choice.But I thought about a little more,

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and my favorite main cast character wasAva are interesting. Okay, yeah,
I like to hear that that's that'sreally interesting. I would never have projected
that that would be who you'd pick. Yeah, well, I thought about
it, and she's and I thinkI said this when we first started recording,
was that she's the one who actuallyprobably changed the most as far as

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uh you know, like where shewasn't from the beginning of the sea the
very first episode till the last anduh and she actually had a happy,
happy ending being uh uh you knowat the end of the series. And
even though there was that that partwhere uh you know that that whole jail
arc where she was in jail thatwas kind of like a detour where it

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kind of like took away from fromher. I just keupt that whole thing,
as like the way they used tosay on the Wire. You know,
there's only two episodes that count duringher jail arc, and that's the
day that she went in and theepisode that she came out. Two days.
Two episodes. Yeah, that's fair. I like that about it.

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That's that's really it's like the it'slike Community season four or whatever they call
it, the gas week season.And then the other thing was I have
a like there's a whole new scienceas far oh not science, but the
whole new math corollary that shot goodcrowded shotgun corollary has proven throughout the series.

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Mostly yeah, I think mostly provenout. I think there was only
one or two instances where where wegot some observations to the contrary, but
not enough to disprove the theorem asfar as I'm concerned, exactly exactly.
So I agree with you on ava. I had her down so as the
character had the most growth and thebest journey, right because because you're absolutely

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right, I mean, she goesfrom being essentially a damsel in distress in
episode one, Well, let melet me rephrase that, right, She's
not a damsel in distress because shejust shot and murdered her husband who was
beating So so she's not necessarily adamsel in distress, but she's portrayed as
a damsel in distress. She needsRaylan to help her, and and that's

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what the whole season is based on. Is Raylan helping her with this,
with the murder case that she's gotagainst her, Raylan helping her, you
know, figure out what she's goingto do with her life, Raylan helping
her to hide from Bow and thepeople who are looking for her. And
so so you get a lot ofthat of of Raylan sort of being the

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white Knight or the you know,riding in on his white horse to save
the day. But then then,you know, starting in season two,
Ava says, hey, wait aminute, I'm not going to be powerless
anymore. I'm going to take thepower back. And she does and she,
yeah, she she really does havea robust journey to go from where
she was at to where she endsup in uh, you know, rural

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California. Yeah, yeah, andshe has like one of my favorite lines
that just like and we've mentioned thator memed it or whatever. As far
as like that first episode where thelysol is the best cleaning product, which
I love, you know, justthe classic you know, like they should
do a commercial like with her inlike a fifties housewife dress or something that's

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all about the best cleaning product youcan buy. Yeah, and so so
I think it was like, likeI said, she's probably my favorite meet
and then you know, I thinkthat goes down to like what you had
mentioned earlier, like who had themost growth? Like, yeah, you
had mentioned as a as a topic. So that's why I had listened for
that as well. Yeah, yeah, same same that was. It was

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an easy answer for me. Ibarely had to think about that one.
That one's like, okay, youknow what do we have. We have
Raylan who basically did no growth.He's still the same even in season seven
or whatever. It was, theonly the only growth he had was the
hesitation that prevented him from shooting Boydat the end. That was basically it.

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And and Boyd, who also essentiallyended up in the exact same place
he started. So yeah, Imean, I mean there wasn't a lot
of growth Tim and Rachel. Imean, Rachel had had some character evolution,
but she wasn't on screen enough.And and Art is essentially exactly the
same curmudgeon that he was when Raylancame to town. So yeah, I

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think Rachel. I mean, Iguess Rachel, Like she did get a
career promotion, you know, tothe head, but I mean that's we
really didn't get to see anything otherthan her competence. I mean, she
was very you know, like there'sno except for that one episode with a
blackgather in law. Yeah, yeah, I mean, but there was no

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other real uh depth that was exploredfor for her character. Now, they
alluded to like her getting divorced,but they never they never kind of played
out those threats. Yeah yeah,I wonder if those were all post its
in the writer's room and they're justlike, oh, we don't have time
for this. We got too muchother, you know, too much other

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killer filler. She would be agood spin off, you know, I
didn't. I didn't even I don'thave her on my spin off list.
But I think you're right. Ithink you could. I think you could
you could put like you could putlike a procedural in for her, like
like a sixteen minute procedural, right, I think, yeah, like a
Monster of the Week or something.Yeah, exactly, Yeah, a law

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and Order type of thing, exceptmarshals service, like I mean, like
be like Karen Cisco. So basicallyyeah, yeah on Netflix. I'm kidding.
Paramount plus, paramount plus paramount plusactually, you know, as a
side note, I like, Iwas thinking what remakes have they they made

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that they can remake, and Ithink a good one would be a remake
of the Bodyguard. But Taylor Swiftis the character pop star. Yeah yeah,
and then they put like in Elbowor something like that, like Rivers,
Yeah, something like that, youknow, like or you could just
straight up go gimmick and let TravisKelsey try and make his career turn and

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he plays the coming cross. That'sright? Do you do you listen to?
I get a lot of those clipsof their podcast that they do,
and someone's pretty interesting, Like Iget why they're popular as far as like,
I guess they're popular, you know, podcast wise, because they wouldn't
be showing their clips, I guess, right, But I don't like I

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I like that what's his name?The older brother. I like him his
UH. He has an interesting UHperspective as far as like dealing with dealing
with the fame that you know,like because Taylor's is like such a mega
like so many levels above like theseguys. Yeah, that's it's just an
interesting it's interesting to get his perspective. Well, when you're that, when

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you're an offensive lineman, right,you get in an nibody. Basically,
you're you're making millions of dollars ayear. You're maybe one of the best
players or the best players at yourposition in the league. But you're always
wearing a helmet. You're not beinginterviewed after the game. You're not you
know, getting advertisements or whatever,so people don't know your face. I

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remember I walked past the full backwho played for UH played for the Chargers.
He played for the Bengals before theChargers. I can't remember his name.
Well, Uh, Lorenzo Neil orLorenzo Neil, Yeah, z Neil,
that's it. Yeah, and UH, And I walked past him.
I was with our friend Steve,and I walked past him on the on
the street downtown one day and Ididn't didn't even look twice at him.

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And after we walked past him,Steve goes, hey, that was Lorenzo
Neil and I go really, andI turn around and I look and I'm
like, oh, sure enough itwas. But you know, it's like
it's the football player thing. Theyhave the helmet on all the time,
you don't know what they look like. And so to be as famous as
Taylor Swift is and everyone knows whatyou look like, and there are multiple
people out there who pretend to detailor Swift all the time and look just

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like her, Like that's that's gotto be weird too. Yeah. Yeah,
I mean that's a whole different levelas far as like celebrity and wealth
and everything else. It's uh,and so no one of these people are
all messed up, right, No, you're absolutely right. Yeah, it's
it's I always I call it theMichael Jackson problem, right because it's like
nobody ever told Mike no, like, oh, I know, whatever you

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want, Mike, you can haveit. He's like, all right,
I'll take all that propofol directly intomy fains please. Oh yeah, that's
right. Well, who knows whatyou know? Because he he even he
was a star when he was achild, right, But I think his
parents weren't the greatest as far aslike the way they raised them, you
know what I mean, like alittle bit of an understatement anything about the

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Jackson's. His parents weren't the greatest. Yeah, no they were. Yeah,
people give each other new heads forChristmas. They're they're crazy there,
all of them are insane and uhand yeah no they Yeah, his dad
was an abusive prick. So yeah, yeah, I mean it's so,
you know, just getting back totip because I like, we can talk

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about Taylor Swift, you know,the next hour or so. But but
I think she because she has beenaround along for so she was a teenager
too, but she seems to haveadapted, she said, seems like she's
like just not she's her mind islike can grasp like what she's doing as
far as like not like, ohyeah, she's she's a she's not a

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celebrity. She's a CEO. Shejust happens her business just happens to make
her a celebrity. Yeah, sheis one CEO and she's really good at
it. Yeah. Yeah, SoI don't know, Travis, you made
a powerful enemy in me. Don'tstep here in Las Vegas again. That's

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right, that's right, you're SuperBowl champ and has no cloud carries nothing.
This is my town. Randy said, yeah, how dare you,
sir? I didn't mean a sidetrackthough, I'm talking about Swift. Plus,

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you know, it gets us thecloud, right, it gets us
the all the AI bots that arerunning and scraping our content are gonna pull
Taylor Swift's left for us. Sothat's all. That's good. I love
it. But so all right,main cast, we got that covered.
Let's talk about seasonal villains. So, like, you know, we have
you know, the main villain ofcourse, Boyd, but but we have

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big bads in every season and youhave Bo Boau Crowder, Max Bennett,
Robert Quarrels, Nicky Augustine, Uh, Darryl crow Junior, and then Avery
Markham of course. Yeah, Andand I think that the answer. I
feel like the answer here is reallyobvious as to kind of who the best
seasonal villain is. But at thesame time, when I sat down to

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think about it, I started,I waffled a little bit, but I'll
let you go first on this one. I'm sure we answered the same.
Yeah. I went with Mags Bennettas number one. And then a very
close And actually I think I mayeven mentioned it, like maybe in one
of the other episodes, is thatRobert Quarrels as a close second, maybe

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even surpassing. No, I'm justgonna go with a close, very close
second. This is the exact sametrain of thought I had when I was
writing mine. I was just like, oh man, it's like and I
think what it came down to forme was it was eighty percent how Margot

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Martindale played Mags Bennett and twenty percenthow Mags Bennett was written. That made
it so it made her such agood character. And I think for Robert
Quarrels, I think it was likeninety percent how Neil McDonough played him versus
how he was written. And soI gave the writer's credit for that because

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I was talking about the character,not the actor. If I had to
talk actors, I mean, it'sit's very very close, but I give
a slight edge to to Core orto Neil McDonough, and that just yes,
it's a it's a stretch. Thatrole is is very a big stretch.
So yeah, and if you thinkabout Mags Bennett's arc, I mean
she sort of is like very similar, Like she she's just going she has

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her goal and she's but she doesn'tshe doesn't really change much personally. I
don't think over this course of thather season. But like the as you're
saying, the the the way thatshe acted or the way it was written,
it's good. But Neil McDonough,Yeah, it's just said from where

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he starts out as this guy who'svery put together, very and just like
topping pills. Like like we hadsaid before over the what episode was like
was the name from Airplane The WrongDay stops moving clear? Yeah, he
goes from he goes from you know, wearing a suit and being very buttoned
up to like you know, byby like eight episodes later, he's smoking,

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he's freebasing oxy in a trailer whorehouse, which is brilliant. It really
is because he's uh yeah and andand it's it's because he he ends up
like what was his arcid. Imean he was almost like boyd Ye like
where his arc is like, oh, I'm going to try and do this,

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but these these yocles like outsmarted meor or screwed up or whatever.
Yeah, he had the disadvantage ofhaving both Boyd and rail and working against
him. I think he would havebeen able to manage just one of them,
but with both of them he wasso Yeah, and there was even
like a darkness with him, likeyou know, like hids are like in

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that house we had that boy,you know, so so he was probably
Yeah, definitely a close second.And if you would ask me, like
maybe when we started, I wouldhave wafted said old Bag's met it by
a lot. But yeah, it'sRobert Corals close second. Robert Quarrels is
the one, the one villain maybeother than Bo Crowder just because of how

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big he was. Robert Quarrels isthe one villain who I would be afraid
to run into on the street.Uh yeah, Like Avery Mark, he's
fine, he's genteel, he's aSoutherner. You know, he's not gonna
bother me. Darryl crow Junior,he's just a jackass. I'll avoid him.
But and Nicki Augustine, you know, he's a he's an old school
mobster, right, He's not goingto just pick on a civilian to pick

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on a civilian. But yeah,but Robert Quarrels, you might abduct you
and lock you in his bathroom ortie you to a bed, Yeah,
you to a bed. Who knowspaint the wall and entirely different color.
Oh all right, well that's ourYeah. I figured we were going to

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agree on that, But man,I was surprised when I sat down and
actually thought about this how close itwas between Max Bennett. Yeah, and
the same as for I would sayfavorite season. I think this gives us
a really good segue for me atleast, is that, man, season
two is so good, it's perfectbasically, but season three is a lot
closer than I remembered it being.It is a lot closer than I remembered

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it being. So yeah, yeah, And I think that that just goes
back to what we were just talkingabout, Like Quarrels, his descent is
magnificent. It really, it reallyis. And mag she she knows how
to deliver a line. She knowshow to you know, like she Yeah.
So I think my favorite season itwould go. Actually, I think

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I might even go like three totwo. Okay, so season three as
favorite and then two close very closesecond, Yeah, yeah, I can.
I think that's there's a perfectly goodargument to be made for that season
three is very, very tight veryvery well done. Plus we get limehouse,
a lot of Limehouse. You know, that's that's that's a compelling thing
too. So I have season sixkind of as the third third place there,

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right, get the bronze medal.I think, I think, you
know, I really appreciate it alot more after watching it for the podcast
with a critical eye on it,I really started to appreciate it a lot
more. I was kind of bummedafter season six. I was a little
bummed at when I first watched it. The ending would of course was great,
perfect, it wouldn't change a thing, but the overall season I didn't

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feel was that great. But onrewatch, I think it really does work.
I think it works really well.Actually yeah, yeah. The relationship
between Catherine and Avery, I think, in particular, was something that I
really didn't pay a ton of attentionto the first time through, and watching
it as part of the show oras part of this podcast, I was

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like, oh, this is reallywell done. Like they I mean,
they really you know, they displaythis level of betrayal that Catherine does and
and Avery forgives her essentially for it, and you know, only for her
to then be be hopelessly murdered.It's yes, it's really well done.

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Yeah, there's a whole new appreciate, like you're saying, I have a
whole new appreciation for that season sixand and yeah I think that. I
think that, you know, maybewe would visit it in like ten years
when we're old. Yeah, yeah, see that. Yeah. Although although
I'll say this, let me letme let me tell you. I saw

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a news story this week. Ididn't forward it to you. I meant
to do that, but I didn't. I didn't text it to you where
Walton Goggins was interviewed at south BySouthwest and he said, we're already,
We're all ready to do it.We're just waiting for FX. And uh
and so apparently we've got another seasonof Justified coming as assuming FX wants to

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foot the bill for it. We'vegot it. It's coming, Like he
said, the cast is ready togo, the producers are ready to go,
we've got the story. We're ready. So oh wow, that was
not what I expected to hear arecoming out of south By Southwest. And
I was like, and then,and then, you know, if if
you'd asked me before you said that, would I be excited? I was

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like it might be a little bitmixed on that, but boy did I
get excited when I read that article. It's like those lethal weapons sequels,
right, yeah, exactly, that'sexactly right. They're so good, right,
no, right to me, butthey're good. Yeah. Yeah,
yeah, well, let's that's kindof makes me excited. Actually my reaction

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is okay, well cool. II didn't go check that out. So
he said that at south By Southwest, south By Southwest, Yeah he was.
He was doing this interview for somethingelse, and I can't remember what
it was, but yeah, allright, there was an interesting I read
another article a lot coming out ofsouth By Southwest. They did a Office
Space twenty five year. I thinkit's twenty five years cast reunion. It

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might be thirty. It might bethirty years actually, right, God,
how old am I? Yeah?No, it's there was a very interesting
sort of article about that, andthey talked about what the movie made and
some of the decisions they made,and there's a very cool sort of long
read about that that. I'll sendyou that too. I know you like

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that movie, so yeah, well, you know, how relevant is it
in the beginning for people who haven'tseen Office Spaces a scene in the opening
credits where one of the characters islistening to this rap like hardcore rap music.
He has his windows that he's inhis car listening to it, and
he's a white guy and we're cansing you know a lot, and then

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he pulls up there's a there's ablack dude, and then he rolls up
his windows and urns the radio down. It's fantastic. That's actually one of
the things they talk about that inthat article is they talk about how Mike
Judge wanted to use the rap musicin the movie and the studio didn't.

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The studio is like, people aren'tgonna like it, they're not gonna understand
it. And so they did thiswhole focus group where they talked about the
music, and the studio paid theperson who was running the focus group to
try and get the people in thefocus group to like be against the music,
like they were asking leaving questions andwhatnot. And people were like,

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no, we loved it. Wethought it was great. It makes sense.
These are angry young men. Thisis angry music. It makes a
ton of sense. Aw though it'sgreat. I mean, did they have
that music that they're beating up thatcopy or in the middle of the field,
right, it feels good to bea gangst it. Yeah, yeah,
that's classic. I love it.Yea. So those of you who

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read in addition to listening to podcasts, check those articles out there. They're
both very good. The Justified one, I wish I had a little bit
more meat to it, but itwas definitely a nice little tease. Got
me a little wet, I wouldsay, so it worked out. All
right, Let's all right, let'ssee what's next. Okay, So let's

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talk about recurring characters for a minute, because we've got a bunch of recurring
characters out there, people who areon the show. Vasquez, for example,
would I would consider it to bea recurring character. Cousin Johnny is
a recurring character. He's not asort of a main cast member. I
would say Dewey Crow is probably arecurring character because he you know, he

(28:56):
only shows up in about twenty episodesof the eighty episode run him. Yeah,
guys like that, and uh,I don't know, do you want
to go first? You want meto? Oh? I just had Dewey
Crow. Ye, dewey Crow.Dewey Crow's great. Yeah, mine mine
came down to uh, Dewey Crowversus Dicky Bennett, and I picked Dicky
Benn. Oh yeah, yeah,yeah, And again I think it's like

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because of how Jeremy Davies is playinghim, Like, yeah, I wonder
how if that was real dirt orif that was makeup. Then he always
was kind of grinding, you knowwhat I mean. They said, like
he like literally he would he wouldliterally cut his hair like that to be
weird for the show. And soit might have been for dirt, like

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such a method actor. Yeah,very method, very very method. It
paid off. I love Dicky Bennett. I love every every time he's on
the screen. I smile because he'suh, just the mannerisms and the contortions
and the talking with his arms.It's it's wonderful. I love it.
So yeah yeah, And and forme, like Dewey Crow is it's like

(30:03):
one two with both of those.But like for for Dewey, you know,
he's such a dummy, you know, but he's he's but he's he's
a criminal who's an incompetent and he'sand he's a dummy, but he has
the best lines, right, mostbelievable criminal on the show, by the
way, because that's that's the intelligenceof your average criminal, not boys Browner,

(30:26):
it's Dewey Yeah. Yeah, yeah, not not everybody's Annibal lec.
Yeah yeah, I I I actuallythe the uh because Dicky Bennett. You
know, Dewey Crow doesn't pretend tothink he's smart, right, he's sometimes
occasionally he has a breakthrough or thinkshe thinks he's smart. And Dicky Bennett,

(30:48):
though, is just smart enough tonot be able to fool himself or
to be able to fool himself intothinking he's smarter than he actually is.
And so the recurring bit they havewhere he shows up once a season essentially
outsmart himself in the prisons, itis just wonderful. I really reverse a

(31:11):
reverse Hannibal lecture? Exactly why amwe gonna help you rail give it if
you have to get his ass beatdthe inverse Hannibal lecter. I can't believe
we didn't hit on that during theshow when we were Yeah, well that's
exactly what that That's brilliant. Ilove that. Okay, all right,

(31:36):
so now you know, and Idon't like to do too many negatives,
so I'm just gonna say we've gota couple of like worst or least favorite
sort of items. Here, we'vegot our our least liked main cast character
and recurring character, and then kindof the the least liked episode and storyline.

(31:56):
Okay, what do I have youhere? Least least like storyline?
M hm oh, where where DarrylCrow gets his ball shot off? And
at the at the end of that, uh, you know what. I
I maybe it's just me, butthat angle we're railing and uh and Wendy

(32:17):
are like looking at him like ashe as if he they're looking at I
don't know, that's just I don'tknow. I don't think it's kind of
gimmicky and I don't know that's probablythe worst being relative also, I mean,
yeah, I think that's yeah,but I don't know. I just
had that listed because it just remindedme of was it Casino or the Robert

(32:42):
de Niro and or like saying they'relike, you know, curb stopping that
one guy that you get the viewor yeah, yeah, keep him here,
you keep him here? Yeah?Yeah. So I So that was
that's what I had as as leastfavorite storyline. Yeah, for a storyline

(33:04):
or moment. Mine mine was themine was the Whalen Renona or Raylen Winona
reverse heist. That was my Thatwas my story of the whole run,
because it's just I mean, it'sthe inspired stupidity of stealing the money in
the first place, followed by tryingto return it. It's it's crazy.

(33:27):
Yeah, yeah, I do likethat. That guy got got away with
it at the end though. Thatis a cool little twist on the story,
and it's a very Elmore Leonard sortof twist to put on the story.
And I liked that very much too. Yeah, what about character?

(33:52):
Did I have anybody here? Idon't have a least like character, said,
I mean, I mean, Winonais my least liked character. I
mean she's she's annoying, right,She's dismissive and flighty, and she's hot
and cold and seemingly only interested ifyou're on her terms. I I don't

(34:15):
like it. But at the sametime, she's super hot, so you
know, I get hot privilege.It is hot hot privilege, Yeah it
is. And then I had Ihad pick her on here too, because
I pick her to me, Sopick her to me struck me as sort
of an attempted Mike Erman trout.But but didn't really wasn't really successful.

(34:35):
Uh yeah, sort of micromantrout stylecharacter. That was. That was how
I felt about pick Her. He'sfine. And again this is all relative,
right, Yeah, like comparing likea character like Picker to a character
like Catherine Hale and you're like,oh, okay, I see why he
comes up second in that competition.And you start comparing him to characters down
the line and you're like, ohwait, he gets pretty down, pretty

(34:58):
far down the list here. Iwent with him, and you know,
because he's an older dude, right, So like him and all these other
people who like I always think acrime is a young man's game because you
don't have a track record. Well, you're right, I mean, like
the Sopranos or whatever. All theold guys are in jail or dead like
you know they don't. Yeah,no, you're absolutely crime is a young

(35:22):
man's game because you're going to eventuallyaccumulate that jacket or accumulate enemies, and
either way you're off the board.You're off the board. Yeah yeah,
well I wonder you know what,And I think I left that blank because
I couldn't even think. But youyou saying Winona that does make up,
you know, like the hot girlprivilege does make up for a lot,

(35:44):
right, you know. But butyeah, I think I would probably go
with her. That's that's fine.I like, it's just the way she
was written. It was noxious,I thought. But oh yeah, I
mean was she the hottest girl inthe series as far as like the main
character? I think so, Iwould say, yeah, probably, but

(36:05):
she's just she was, Yeah,I mean for main characters for sure.
Yeah, yeah, I actually haveJackie Nevada for money. But that's what
I was gonna say that of allthe all the girls that threw themselves flug
flung themselves at Raylan, like,do you have a top three as far
as like like Jackie Nevada would beup there as far as opportunities there although

(36:28):
although carl Is is pretty amazing toodifferent age bracket. But man, and
you know what in the same seasonthat that bounty hunter from Miami, the
one who got completely naked on oncamera, ye that ended up dying.
She she was pretty hot too.I had who did I have? Oh?

(36:50):
I was thinking of that girl whowas on that numbers show who like
when they went to that house forthey were it was like Raylan and Raider
went to that house and there wasthat the fighter. She was a yeah,
yeah, I like her. Iwas thinking that as a as like,
oh, you know the list ofof come ons that Raylan experience entering

(37:13):
the series series? I think,uh not, she didn't. She and
Raylan never met. But wasn't GaryBusey's kid's girlfriend like super hot too?
Oh she was? Yeah, shewas. She was. Yeah, no,
Sydney Sweeney. But just we're justthrowing that in, that name in

(37:37):
because that's part of popular, sothat that's right, algorithm, just like
the algorithm, yeah, popularity,Florence, Poor Things Oppenheimer, Yes,
yes, yes, I haven't seenPoor Things yet. I did see,

(37:57):
but I haven't seen Poor Things.What's poor Thing? I don't even know
what that is? Oh that's them A. Stone movie. Yeah,
So it's a weird movie because it'sit's that I can't remember the director's name,
but he's a weirdo. It's likea big it's I think he's Greek.
It's a glows name or something likethat, and and so he this
movie. The the synopsis of itI read basically said that this Emma Stone's

(38:22):
character dies young in her twenties orwhatever, and she's resurrected by this by
this doctor, this weird doctor whoI think is played by the guy who
played the Green Goblin and the SpiderMan movies. Yeah, okay, yeah,
and uh so this doctor resurrects her, but she comes back a little

(38:45):
different and she doesn't have all ofa sudden she doesn't have inhibitions anymore or
whatever. And I think her andmarkin Ruffalo just like bang for the entire
movie. And it's like that.She she loses all inhibitions and becomes unrestrained
ego and just you know, hasjust just bangs Mark Ruffalo and anybody shouldn

(39:07):
get her hands on, like thewhole movie from what I've from what I've
read, so but I think there'sa there's this Obviously there's a story here
too. I'm just not sure whatthe story is because I haven't seen the
movie yet. So I'm looking atAmistone. She they really did a number
on her. Oh, she dida number on her hair. Yeah,
she doesn't look like Emma Stone.She does in the movie. Yeah she

(39:29):
does. She looks like Emma Stone, but but you know, it's like
a weird Emma Stone like and shewalks, she walks funny in the movie,
and she like her limbs move weirdly, and it's it's strange. It's
like a riff on Frankenstein. Ithink, oh, yeah, all right,
well now I have to like lookat a trailer or something like that.
Well, she won Best Best Actressfor that, so that's yeah,

(39:52):
yeah, that's her second Emma Stonehas two oscars. Oh my god,
isn't that crazy. I mean,it's great, she's a great actress.
I love Emma Stone. It's justwild to me that the person I first
saw super Bad as one to Oscar. That's right. Ah, she was

(40:13):
a super Bad that movie. Wow, that's well, that's pretty a call.
It was she even thirty, She'snot even She's still young. She's
got to be in her thirties bythis point. She's probably thirty four or
something like that. I would guessprobably write it right around there. She's
probably a little crazy. I don'tknow if amber heard crazy, but well,

(40:34):
I think I think to be acelebrity you have to be a little
bit crazy, like to even continueto be a celebrity, much less become
one in the first place. Yeah, yeah, but she's always struck me
as somebody who kind of gets it. Actually, I yeah, I don't
know. Oh yeah, she wasn'tthat movie easy a right? That movie
that was good? That was agood movie. Yeah. I like that.

(40:55):
Yeah, she's been a lot ofgood stuff. She's a good actress.
I like her a lot. Didyou ever see that? What was
it? La La Land? Doyou ever see that? I love La
La Land. I think it's afantastic film. I love the music.
I am a big La La Landfan. I could make it through all
the way. I can certainly seethat. If you don't like musicals,

(41:22):
you're not going to make it throughthat movie. What's that I was gonna
say, I was going to commenton Lala Land, but you were going
to finish your thought on something,so go ahead. Oh no, I
just think it's not like I don'tlike musicals. I just I don't know.
For whatever reason, I couldn't.I couldn't make my way through through

(41:42):
that thing. But I will saythat Ryan Gosling makes it a little bit
difficult at points. He really Iwill say that his his jazz supremacy is
a little bit much to bear sometimes. But but that opening number man on
the freeway. It's so good.Yeah, it's so good. I know

(42:07):
somebody who relocated to southern California andnot in hopes of being famous or whatever,
but it resonates with me, youknow. Yeah, all right,
well I'll give you a pass onthat. I like musicals, you know
that. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I don't think I'm as big of

(42:27):
a fan as you are. Youknow, they're good, I do,
I do, But that's like,what is that entry level musical? Yeah,
that's that's definitely entry level. Iwould say, yeah, very excessive.
Yeah, but it's a classic fora reason. Yes, that's why
they call it. Oh it's timeless. Yeah, we we just think we

(42:51):
can have Nazis, now, that'sright. Is the predictive programming that Nazis
are always going to be the thevillain exactly. I mean, I'm okay
with that. I just prefer wehad a few less of them in real
life. Well, all the Nazisthat are are that come out as Nazis,

(43:14):
they're actually all fed No I know, yeah, no, yes,
I know. It's a false flagfall fly. Yeah. The problem is
the ones that don't come out asNazis, those are the ones that I'm
most concerned about the secret Nazis.Those are the ones that worry me.
The guys that are out there goosestepping and carrying the flag or whatever.

(43:36):
You know, they're they're pretty prettyupfront about what they are, what they're
up to. It's the ones thatare secretly planning that I worry about.
Nor McDonald, bet, you knowwho I worry about is Germany. In
the early nineteen hundreds they went towar with the world, and then twenty

(43:59):
years later they did any and itwas closer than you think it would be.
I like the Norm McDonald, theone, Oh hey, look at
this. Who would have thought thatthe winners, the winners of the wars
are right the history, they're allthe good guys. Rip Norm, you

(44:22):
are missed, my friend. You'reThe world is significantly less funny without him
in it. Yeah, all right, let's get back to Justified. Here
we were almost through kind of mylist and almost into the spinoffs and standalone
movie ideas. Just a couple ofmore that I wanted to hit, and

(44:44):
I think I have good answers forhere. Uh favorite episode and favorite favorite
storyliner moment. Okay, so myfavorite episode I have here. I have
decoy We're it was like the seasonfinale for the Drew Thompson season escaping that

(45:07):
that episode with a high school Idon't know, it was just like probably,
yeah, my one of my thefavorite episode. It's really good for
the series. It's so well done. In the twist at the end is
y. You you know, theygive it away, They give you all
the clues that you need to knowwhat's going to happen throughout the episode,

(45:27):
and yet you're still taking high surprisewhen it happens at the end of the
episode. That's awesome. Yeah,yeah, really really awesome. Yeah.
I had Brothers Keeper, which isthe one where Couver dies and Loretta.
Loretta gets to do some serious work. We get boy dancing at Mags's party,

(45:49):
We got that, seeing the culminationof her evil plans and getting the
lowest moment of her life because herkid died. In that same twenty four
hour period. Everything that happens fromthat point on is climax, and it's
just it's it's it's it's an amazingsort of for me. It's an amazing
sort of episode because it brings theentire season together and sets everything else on

(46:13):
the rails for what's gonna how it'sgonna end. You don't have you don't
have that episode, you don't haveBrother's Keeper, you don't have the finale.
It just you can't do the finalebecause you don't have the renta issue,
you don't have the coover issue,you don't have Mags wanting to rent
revenge. It's yeah, that's yeah, that's fantastic, real good episode.

(46:34):
And then my favorite one, myfavorite moment or storyline is uh uh rlow
the asshole father dying without ceremony inprison, being mourned by no one.
I like it. He gets exactlyin the end, he gets exactly what
he deserves, and that's to diealone in pain with no one to remember

(46:57):
you except your criminal allies, whoalmost immediately forget about you after they have
a bourbon in your honor. Anyways, that's right, yeah, I have
my You know what, my favoritemoment is in episode one where Raylan apologizes
to Boyd about having to shoot him. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah I

(47:22):
think that because that I think thatthat moment kind of hooked me onto the
show. And you know, becausewho apologizes was just holding a gun on
you? Yeah yeah, yeah,so and so in that episode, is
obviously such the tone for the thefollowing seasons, and I don't know,

(47:42):
it's just one of my favorites.Kind of comes at the end at the
end of season six too, whenhe visits him, right, I mean,
you think about why he didn't killhim in the first episode, is
the same reason he went to visithim in jail. Yep, yep.
So I mean there's like a bunchof from but that when I just put
at the top. Yeah, soI agree, Yeah, I agree.

(48:04):
All right, cool, let's getto let's get some of the spinoff and
movie ideas what we can, likewe can sort of alternate here, but
I have some pitches I'll go.I'll go first. Okay, I already
mentioned martial arts, So I'm gonnamention this art retires from active service and
works the remainder of his career incourthouse protection. So it's a thirty minute

(48:25):
workplace comedy that takes place in acourthouse and we call it martial art.
That's awesome. I thought we weredoing it like like you know, like
you have to do the combination.So uh so I had you know,
you know, I'm talking about like, Oh, so Raylan goes to l
A and so think of a railand goes in search of the A team

(48:50):
okay, looking for and then theyteam up to fight a bigger boss.
You know the A team is supposedto you're looking for, you know,
the A team like fights the crew, they become like Voltron or whatever.
Yeahs or whatever. Yes, yes, I didn't think of a title for

(49:10):
that, but that's that's what Ihad for for one thing, all right.
I have something in a similar vein. Uh. Tim goes back to
Afghanistan to work as a private detectiveand look for his buddy's killer. And
I call it Cobble Hills cop likecobble, like k a b u l
A b u L. Yeah,cobble. That's pretty good. Can you

(49:37):
imagine him going into like I don'tknow, busting that doors out there,
oh, I know, just kickingkicking indoors in like rural Afghanistan looking for
his buddies killer. I think that'dbe pretty good. You gotta be there.
Okay, what do I got here? I have? Okay, and
this is like a reverse red Heat. It's where Raylan has to go to

(50:00):
Russia and he's uh and he teamsup with a Russian or Moscow cop and
they're like fighting the mafia and theRussian mafia. Okay, all right,
that's cool. Do you do youremember the original like was it was Arnold
Schwartzer. We're paying a Moscow copand he comes comes to America. Yeah,

(50:21):
who was the who is the Americanguy? It was Jim Belushi,
that's right, one of the BlueSes. It was Jim. Yeah,
yeah, yeah, So I thinkI I would like because like, can
you imagine Raylan wearing his stetson,like walk around Moscow. It's just like

(50:42):
how boy boots. Yeah, theugly American? Oh yeah, yeah,
yeah Americano. I did. Ilike that very much. That's cool.
I've got another thirty minute comedy.This one's a thirty minute laugh track comedy,
and it's about the gang in highschool boyd Ave Bowman, Johnny Rail

(51:07):
and Bob. If you can figureout how to throw Winona in you throw
her in there too. Maybe youdo it animated even right, and you
call it the h C the agelike Harlan County. Yeah, and then
there'd be a big blowout at theend of every episode where like secrets are

(51:30):
revealed. That's right. Yeah,Johnny punches boyd Bo. It's you know,
I completely forgot you could have otherpeople too, like like you have
a Dicky Bennett. They were inhigh school together. I completely forgot about
that. Yeah, yeah, likeBo could be you know, he's a

(51:52):
ascending crime lord, but like somebodyconfronts him about like, oh you got
my money or worth's my money?Like the OC. Yeah exactly. I
I like this very much. LikeI I like, I think you could
do it animated and it works reallywell. Yeah, and you'd have a
as the hot cheer leader, Raylanas the jock sort of you know he's

(52:17):
he's quasi bully because I bet hewas. Yeah, I'll bet he was
too. Yeah, because you know, like, yeah, exactly a jock
and maybe he uh maybe he's youknow, bullying. What's his name,
Dicky Betty? Yeah exactly. I'msure. Yeah, Yeah, I like

(52:39):
that. I think let's let's getit. Let's look into this. We
did produce this. Oh yeah,we're just putting this out there. Somebody
is going to pick up on oneof these ideas. If you had to
choose one, would you go withthe off it martial arts? No?

(53:00):
No, No, I have aI have a few more actually do you
I want to? I really,Oh go ahead. Oh, I was
just say because I really like thered Heat thing too. I think it's
really good. I think that wouldbe a perfect sort of Raylan Givens role
because the fish out, Fish outof water, Raylan Givens is a good
Railing Givens. Yeah, yeah,you had more. I okay, three

(53:30):
or four more, So I've gotI want a prequel movie showing Raleigh Pike,
Tommy Bucks, Raylan and what happenedin Nicaragua and the whole story of
Raylan's involvement with that. And yeah, I think the way you end the
movie is Raylan seeing Tommy Bucks inMiami and telling him he's got twenty four

(53:51):
hours to leave town. That's theend. Oh yeah, that'd be that'd
be fantastic. Yeah, because hewas in the Yeah, because that's where
he was following Tommy Bucks down toSouth America. I think he was chasing
Raleigh and stumbled across Tommy Bucks.So remember Tommy Bucks had him prisoner too,
but let him go. Oh yeahyeah, oh yeah, but he

(54:14):
blew the head off that Yeah,he put the dynamite in his mouth or
whatever. Yeah, brutal, Yeah, yeah, yeah, and so I
want I want more of that,Like there's a lot more to that story
what happened to Nicaragua, and thatI think is a great movie. Yeah,
I wish Elmore Leonard had written thatbook before he died, by the
way. I and then I haveI have another one, another prequel movie.

(54:43):
You can do a TV series onthis one too, I think,
but it would be only a coupleof seasons. H Boyd forming his band
of Commandos and robbing banks. Sobefore Raylan gets to Kentucky, what Boy's
up to? Oh? Yeah,interesting? What was it Boyd? The
Crowd of Commandos? Yeah, yeah, the Crowd of command exactly. And
I don't have I don't have atitle for that one. I don't have

(55:06):
a tentative title for that one.But then I got two more. I
got win Duffy acquires a new Winnebagoand works from town to town like the
A Team, but for criminals likeErnst and Young, for organized crime.
I call it the consultant, kindof like the accountant that Ben Athleck.
Yeah, oh that's good. Yeah. And then and then he'd be he's

(55:30):
he's still be in that dog groomingvans, still in the Okay, that's
fine. I was I was tryingto give him someplace to live, right,
because he's going to go from townto town and he just he never
he never moves out of the Winnebago. It's kind of it's like a rock
for yeah, yeah, okay,okay, So or he converts that dog

(55:54):
is so inside it's like the likethe doctor who's all right yeah for square
foot penhouse. Yeah, that'd befunny. Uh. And then we have
Ava. Ava Crowder tries to hideher past, her pregnancy and child and
fight her lonely loneliness in small townCalifornia, and we call that one Protected

(56:15):
Witness. I uh, I thinkit's the weakest, but I think it's
the one. It would it's theone that would air on Sunday nights on
CBS, I think, or aHallmark channel. Yeah yeah, yeah,
or Hallmark channel. That'd be agood one. Yeah. Actually you could
do the movie, you do themovie version of that, and it's one

(56:36):
Hallmark channel. Yeah. And thenthere's a ranch hand that's exactly no,
that's exactly what I had, yeah, exactly. She you know, there's
a guy in town who she doesn'tlike at first, and then comes around
on Oh yeah, yeah, absolutely, all right, Well that's what I've

(56:57):
got for spin off some movie ideas. I I'd like to make one of
these, Dude, we should likeYeah, I'd be down for like doing
something like that, you know,like we try to like get the money
to put it together. I canwrite a pilot, I guess for but
I gotta tell you, I thinkthe HC is the one that has the
best chance of success because you don'tneed to pay actors. You just need

(57:21):
voices as an animated as an animatedthing, yeah, I think you do.
You can do You could even doit like a robot Chicken sort of
thing where it's only like ten minutesor whatever. Yeah, instead of being
a full half hour, but justlittle vignettes as part of like a it's

(57:43):
a part of like an anthology showor something like that. You could do
that. Yeah. Well, martialarts could be like an office style you
know. Oh yeah, no,that was the idea. Absolutely one hundred
percent office style or parks and recstyle sort of workplace comedy documentary sort of
thing, a lot of lot oflooking at the camera. Yeah, incredulously,

(58:04):
Yeah, art are it's like Raylan, how many people did you shoot
this time? Or like he's youknow, grumpy with the people coming for
jury duty or whatever. That's whyI think I think, I think the
fun part of martial arts is ishe goes from being uh the chief deputy

(58:28):
of the office and a criminal investigatorand uh the quickest gun in the West,
a guy who's wanding, uh youknow, lawyers down as are coming
into the courthouse and having to tellpeople, oh, you got to empty
out your have to out your pockets, all your electronics in the track,
Sir, did you remove your belt? Thank you exactly. God got you

(58:53):
know, I was, I wasthinking about that. Got in twenty years,
we haven't come up with a betterway to screen pass through these airports
and the court. I actually hadto go to the courthouse here here in
town one time, like a coupleof weeks back, for a ticket.
I got like, it's worse thanthe TSA. I mean, at least
if you're a lawyer. If you'rea lawyer, you get like the separate

(59:15):
line. Even they used to havethat in the courthouse, or they still
have the lawyer access here in SanDiego. Back before I don't know,
like twenty ten to twenty eleven,you could bypass the line for jury duty
and you didn't have to go throughthe metal detector if you were a lawyer.
Now they've they've locked it down,so you have to be on official

(59:36):
business at the courthouse in order toget access through the lawyer line. So
oh, man and Arts, like, what did what did you say?
Because he loses? Yeah, yeah, yeah, and he you know,
he has encounters with the judges andthere's probably some weird personalities there too.

(59:58):
Yeah. Well he has a what'shis name with the hammer, Mike the
Hammer, Yeah, yeah, yeah, but you got to figure you know,
in Lexincom there's probably twenty federal judgesthere, right, so it's like,
yeah, it'd be it's interesting,and they're all weirdos, yeah exactly,
Each one of them would have theirown little weird quirks or whatever,
like uh you know, like likethe guys, like the guys on the

(01:00:21):
Office exactly. It's just it's sortof basically copy the Office, put Art
in Michael Scott's role, and you'vegot your That's what I was thinking that
how this was going to go.It's like, oh, think a combination
of the office and you know,like the way that they pitch it on
Entourage, you know, yes,yes, exactly, they do pitches like

(01:00:42):
that. Yeah, this is whatwhat's what was? Uh Marshall Martial arts
not a good one to say tothat, but but uh uh protected witness
would be it's like, uh yeah, oh maybe the Cobble Hills Cop.
It's it's Black hawk Down meets BeverlyHills Cop. Black cock Down. That's

(01:01:10):
good, like that Black cock Downit meets Beverly Hills Cop. As It
took me a minute, I was, I was, I was grasping at
straws there for a minute. Butthen I was like, wait a minute,
black cock Down in Beverly Hills Copseemed like a good bearing Black cock

(01:01:30):
Down one of the funniest movies I'veever seen. It really is a great
movie. But it's yeah, butit's yeah, it's hard to watch.
It's a hard watch. It's notit's not fun. It's not enjoyable.
Yeah, yeah, I mean it'snot as bad as like, say,

(01:01:51):
I don't know. I always thoughtlike Saving Private Ryan, like the first
you know, the d D Seedit's just hard to watch and did something.
But I find myself going to watchit every once in a while you
know, yeah, it's like it'syou know, it's one of those movies
that you see once and you neverreally need to see again. I loved
Hereditary. I thought Hereditary was anamazing film and it it was one of

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the scariest movies I've ever seen,and I saw it, and I never
ever want to see it again.I had the experience I needed to have,
and I can acknowledge how wonderful ofa film it is. At the
same time, I never want toI never want to feel the way that
movie made me feel ever again.I never watched it. Was it you

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liked it? I really really likedit. It's a fantastic I really really
enjoyed it. And I saw itin the theater by myself because Rachel won't
go see that stuff with me,So it was it was scary. Yeah
you like those you like those kindsof movies, like the like yeah,
yeah, yeah, okay, I'llhave to go watch that. Yeah,

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and that one's you know, thatone's A twenty four and they're you know,
they're the old seemingly the only peoplemaking good movies these days, and
it's really good. I think Atwenty four is the ones who's doing that
Civil War movie too? Yeah,Yeah, it's gonna be it's gonna be
really good. Do you think CivilWar is gonna be good? Yeah,
I think it is. I thinkit's gonna be really good. We'll see.

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Well, yeah, I think she'sgreat. Kirsten Duds. Yeah,
isn't she? Oh she is it? Yeah, you're right, made another
movie. It's a different that's athat's a leopard or a panther or whatever.

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That's right, that's right, allright, Well, before we spiral
off for any more time, let'suh, let's get to the next thing.
And the next thing is what arewe doing next? What's our next
thing? And so, as anyonewho listens to the show regularly knows Randy

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in particular loves the OC, Ienjoy the OC. We're gonna do a
show about the OC, but it'sgonna be a little bit different. We're
not gonna do sort of an episodeby episode. By the way, I
looked at I looked at season one. I started watching it season one of
the OC twenty seven hour long episodes. Yeah, yeah, that was back

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when TV shows were TV shows,folks. Holy moly, that's a lot
of stuff. So and a lotof stuff happens in that season one.
It's just it could be at leastmaybe two, maybe even three seasons,
right, Like, it feels verymuch like they weren't sure how long they
were gonna get, and they werelike jump everything into season one. We
got we don't know if we're gonnaget season two. They got a twenty

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seven episode order season one, sothat's something. Yeah, but yeah,
so we're gonna do the OC andwe're gonna do it. We're gonna do
it sort of chunks, I wouldsay, And I don't know, We're
still working a little bit to figureout sort of what the chunks are.
But I would say it's like twoto three episodes per season of the podcast

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is what we would do. Wouldwe would take a run of episodes like
eight, nine, ten, maybeeven as many as half of the episodes
of the season. We talk aboutwhat happened, the storylines, We talk
about what we enjoyed about the characters, notable guest stars. There's you know,
I don't want to give too muchaway here. I've got some ideas
for some bits also, and definitelysome ideas for discussion points, things to

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talk about, things that are recurrences. I'll tip I'll tip one of them
here, and one of them isthe police blatter I am. I'm two
episodes into season one and like halfof the main cast has twenty years of
fellow is looking at twenty years offelon. None of them ever have any

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consequences for there. So so it'sgonna be fun. It'll be uh,
it'll be a little bit, youknow, less serious discussion than Justified was,
although we always tried to keep Justifiedlight. We it will be a
little bit less serious. I wouldsay, a little bit more comedic and
uh, maybe a little bit morenot not as much off the cuff,

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maybe a little bit more sort oflike that I have sort of you know,
planned out ahead of time. Butuh, but we're still working on
all that. And uh and andas I said, you know, twenty
seven episodes is a lot for usto get through to. Even even even
half of that, even ten ofthose would be is a lot to get
through to to sort of prepare forfor a podcast. So we're it's gonna

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be a little bit I won't saywhen exactly because I don't know, but
I would say, you know,it'll be a couple of months before you
guys hear from us again. Butwhen you do, well, what we're
gonna do is we'll we'll tape afew episodes so that we can release them
on sort of a regular cadence.We'll get ahead of it and uh and
and release them on a cadence.Stay tuned for that. By the way,

(01:07:10):
if you're a fan of the showand you're a fan of the O
C and you're gonna continue on tolisten with us, we may have some
ideas for if you want early accessto episodes and things like that as we
as we start to record our productionsa little bit further out from when they're
released. So stay tuned. Uh, check the Twitter, send us emails

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and uh, and we're gonna postyou know, updates as they occur.
But but look, we've I'll speakfor myself here, I've loved doing uh,
doing this podcast justified as I've alwayssaid, this my favorite TV show
that that I've ever watched. Anduh, and you know, I I
am thrilled that that we that wegot as much traction as we did,

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that that you listeners are out thereand enjoying the show. Uh, it
makes me, it makes me feelgood to know that, you know,
even if you don't like everything wehave to say, or maybe you don't
like some of our jokes, ormaybe we laugh at our own jokes too
much, but you are taking alittle bit away from the from the podcast,

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you're getting something out of it,and that makes me feel good.
So I do appreciate it. Andlook, Randy, it's been it's been
fantastic doing this with you. Youknow. I think we've Yeah, I've
I've missed my friend Randy since hemoved to Vegas, you know, like
seventeen years ago, so this hasbeen a great way to sort of connect
with you again. So I've reallyenjoyed it. Yeah. Yeah, I

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don't have anything more eloquent than that, but yeah, it's definitely I think
we've grown closer. But yeah,and just being able to watch these shows
again and just like, I don'tknow, do the jokes that we do,
I don't know. It's cool.I love it, I like it,
I enjoy it. It's a lotof work and it's a lot of

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fun at the same time. AndI'm again, I'm just thrilled that there
are people out there who are enjoyingthis and we're going to keep it up
and we're going to try and bringuh, we're gonna try and bring even
bigger game for the OC and we'llsee what we can do. So I'm
excited about it. I'm looking forwardto it, and you know, uh,

(01:09:15):
check the social media, check checkthe reddit. Will we'll we'll post
probably in an OC related reddit relativelysoon as we start to gear up for
the release of this episode, Sokeep an eye on things. And uh,
you know, don't forget to hitthe subscribe button because what that's going
to do is make sure you getthat episode the moment it comes out.

(01:09:38):
So with that, I think we'llwrap it up. I don't have much
else to say to you. Uhno, no, I don't nothing else,
so oh, you know what,I do have one more thing I
want to say. I want tosay thanks to Bob Schneider, so that
opening music is Bob Schneider and uhand we appreciate him being cool about using

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his music, so so totally appreciatethat and uh and and love love you
Bob, and uh and look,I we gotta we gotta figure out something
new for for the O C becausethat theme song that doesn't work for the
O C with the horse galloping andthe you know devil devil in the in

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the passenger seat, the literal theliteral devil or the figurative devil or the
character named devil or whatever. Butyeah, we're gonna have to figure out
something new for the o C.I think, and I've got a couple
of ideas. Actually we'll we'll talkabout them. Cool, all right,
everybody looking forward to this. Thanksfor looking forward to it. I can't

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wait till we get some down onon tape and and get it out to
you people, So stay tuned.Thanks for listening.