July 28, 2023 • 49 mins
Smilin' in your face... all the while they wanna take your place... Join Groundless this week for a look at Season 1, Episode 3 of Justified City Primeval, "Backstabbers."
In this episode, your hosts: Notice a recycled car pursuit tactic from Justified Season 5 (and Beverly Hills Cop); speculate about a set-up regarding Maureen and Bill and their family; realize that the same characteristics that make Mansell a lousy criminal also make him nearly impossible to catch; critique the episode's audio levels and the unfortunate masking of some good dialog; and discuss the differences betwee Mansell and Boyd Crowder when it comes to planning their crimes.
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In this episode, your hosts: Notice a recycled car pursuit tactic from Justified Season 5 (and Beverly Hills Cop); speculate about a set-up regarding Maureen and Bill and their family; realize that the same characteristics that make Mansell a lousy criminal also make him nearly impossible to catch; critique the episode's audio levels and the unfortunate masking of some good dialog; and discuss the differences betwee Mansell and Boyd Crowder when it comes to planning their crimes.
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Rolling down the bull, the bloodand a speed of bowl cold like a
tail on late Tornado ring a promisokids with one hand on the glasspie.
He have a wheel, double rightingshot gun singing boy, Let's make a
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I'm Chris, that man is Randy. Greeting from my car. Greetings
indeed from the car. So we'rewe're doing some makeshift recording this week.
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We'll be doing some makeshift recording alittle bit later this season too, because
you know it is that time ofthe year, it's vacation season. But
we wanted to make sure we getthis content out because the airing of Justified
doesn't stop. So we're here thisweek to talk about season one, episode
three of Justified City Primeval, anepisode called Backstabbers, And you know,
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that's it. So let's get intolet's get into the episode here. So
uh so I'll start out with kindof an initial thought. I I thought
this was one of the weaker episodesof Justified than I've ever seen. Um,
I wasn't. I wasn't a superfan of this episode. I really
liked the first two of this season. Uh, didn't really love this one
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all that much. How did youthink? What did you think? Randy?
There were a couple of things thatI noticed. I think you're right,
I think it's not it wasn't thestrongest out of the whole dud.
We're talking about everything, right,Yeah, I mean we've only seen the
first three so of this of CityPrime evil, But yeah, I would
say it wasn't strong. I thinkthere weren't even some problem I mean what
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I'm talking to you from the phone, but I think there were some problems
with the audio from the from theepisode two, Like the music was kind
of loud. I don't know,like did you get that thing? Like
then? I absolutely did, II would There were several lines that I
didn't pick up until I had untilI was up here with my headphones on
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listening to it, and even thenit was kind of hard to pick up
some of the lines. I thinkthe mix, the mix was off.
It was weird. The the thevocal audio was definitely behind the music or
behind the sound effects or behind everything. Yeah, yeah, it was.
Yeah, it was almost. Yeah, it was very distracting almost because like
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you're saying, you could I couldn'tunderstand what they were saying and like what
I did were able to hear.You know, you have to like listen
to it. It was. Itwas good. It was very good,
like the you know, the dialoguewas good, but he kind of got
drowned out. Yeah, yeah,it did. It did. And in
particular this scene in the bar withClement and Skender and and Sandy. It
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was very difficult to get what theywere saying, and I know that was
kind of the point of the environmentthat they were in. But at the
same time, it would it's goodfor the audience to be able to hear
the show. If you're if you'retaking the time to write fantastic dialogue,
let's let's let everybody hear it.Yeah, yeah, so uh so,
yeah that I was gonna say,please go ahead. Oh oh, I
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was just gonna say, so you, I mean you and like, what
were the weeks? What's stuck outto you? As far as the week
point? So, I think therewere a couple of things going on here,
right, we spent an awful lotof time on the Raylan Willa father
daughter thing, and I know,like last week we talked a little bit
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about you know, weener kid andand what's the what's the definition of a
weener kid? And she wasn't reallya weener kid in this very much,
but it just wasn't all that compellingof a storyline at the same time,
right, I think I do Ido owe you and a little bit of
an apology. You definitely kind ofcalled it. Last week you talked about
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how Raylan was a bit of anabsentee father, And I said, well,
I'm not sure I buy I buythat because she would have laid into
him, right, because that's herstyle. Well she laid into him this
week. Yeah, she did.She did. And I don't know,
um, you know, like asfar as the relationship that they have,
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like, I think it's one ofthose things where I think she goes back
and forth between wanting to be involvedwith his in his you know, like
happy to be in her life versusoh, you know, I still like
I don't need this, you know, you know what I mean, Like,
yeah, she's a teenager exactly.Yeah, she's trying to be aloo
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because she's a teenager. But atthe same time, she does sort of
want her dad, want to bearound her dad because she likes her dad.
Yeah, and but there's that dialogueI think that that's going on in
her mind and which is I thinkit is actually pretty strong as far as
you know, like somebody who's inthat position where they you know, like
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this this is their parent, right, this is their dad, but maybe
he's not that great of a dad, you know, And there's there are
some people who say, you know, like you know, he's your family
no matter what. And there thereare others who who say that the healthy,
healthiest thing for somebody who might beconsidered maybe even toxic as far as
like in in his position, asyou know, father, that you need
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to cut that out, you know, cut them out of your life.
You're better off. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Now you know
she like you're saying, she's ateenager, and you know, like it's
so that's that part of it too. But you know, at a certain
point it's like, you know,maybe in like I don't know, five
ten years or something like that,maybe that's what you need to do.
(07:51):
Yeah, make that decision. Yeah, And I'd say, if you don't
have time for me, then Idon't need to try and make time for
you. Sort of situation. Atthe same time, right, he's got
this job. It's not a nineto five job. It's it's he takes
it very very seriously, probably moreseriously than most. And and so he
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is he is out there doing hisjob, and so I get a little
annoyed when the kid's like, well, if you really wanted me here,
you'd find a way to keep mesafe. Well, there's a murderer running
around who's basically killing anything he canlay hands on. Yeah, aside from
the murdering lunatic. Yeah, Iguess I can make room for you.
(08:35):
But hey, you know it's soso that that was a little bit aggravating
for me as I'm watching this,like this is such a this is such
a tired trope, right, everykid, every teenager does this in TV
shows. They refuse to understand.It's the it's the same trope as the
you know, the guy who comeshome and is like we need to go
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right now, we need to packabout and the wife or whatever is like,
no, you need to tell mewhat's going on. You know.
It's like yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, we're not we're not moving,
We're not doing anything until you tellme what's going on. I'm telling
you were in a tremendous amount ofdanger and we need to go. Let
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me. Let me take thirty minutesto explain and answer all your questions.
I mean, but if you thinkabout it, it's like what is that
you know, like in this case, like what did Onona find a tractive
about railing? It was him beingfocused on you know, like that part
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as far as like his job,you know, like being just like feniously
but you know, when it comesdown to it, like she's trying to
change him. Yeah or not shewasn't, you know, but like it's
the what do you what would youcall that? Like a paradox or something.
I don't know, it would beessentially, Yeah, it's like I
like you because you are somewhat distantand angry and very devoted to your job
(10:03):
and very good at it. ButI hate you because you're good at your
job and devoted to the Yeah.I had a note here that said that
the only thing this this episode wasmissing with the relationship between Raylan and his
daughter was was a audio of Arlowsinging Cats in the Cradle. Oh yeah,
(10:28):
boy was just lack me But yeah, I mean you could tell Raylan
is trying to be a good fatherbecause of Arlow. Right, He's he's
trying to do better. He's he'ssaying he'll do better. I don't know
how much I believe him about that. I think he I think he does.
(10:50):
I don't think it's for lack ofeffort that this sort of thing happens
to him. He just he hasa his priority scale might be a little
bit out of whack. At Yeah, especially at the age he is.
You know, when you think aboutwhat his career actually means at this point,
you know, his priorities might bea little out of order. Yeah,
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So, but I do like thathe continues to not understand women,
even to a small degree, evenif it's his daughter, right Like he's
he's he's talking to her at thatdiner and projecting his anger with the world
and everyone in it onto her,and she's like, what are you talking
about. I'm not angry. You'rethe one who's angry. I'm not.
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I'm not angry. You're angry.Calmer than you are, dude, calmer
than you are. Yeah, Andactually you know what to say. And
I think that it's the most charitabletake I have as far as like their
relationship, because it could be alot worse. As far as like what
we've seen on screen, is thatI I do like, I do feel
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for you know, what both ofthem are trying to do. So,
you know, as far as likethey're I'm either just it's just not working
at this point. Yeah. Yeah. And so the last scene we get
as well, getting on a planeback to while she's heading to Tampa,
but presumably back by way of headingto Miami by way of Tampa. And
yeah, and so I think thatthat will pretty much be the end of
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that storyline. That's That's the impressionI got is that that felt that felt
like a resolution to me, orat least a mostly resolution. There might
be, you know, an appearancehere or there, but it's, uh,
I think that's pretty much resolved.So we can focus on Clement Mansell
and the Albanians and Sweetie and Carolynand all that nonsense that's going on.
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So I'm i'm I'm I'm eager tosee how they how they move past this
now. Well, I wonder,you know, like is there a payoff
down the road though, you know, like because we're at how many episodes
are going to be there's eight episodes, so there's five five episodes left,
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Okay, all right, it doesn'tfeel like the running out of time already?
Right, Yeah, totally does.It totally does. So I wonder
if there's a bigger payoff as faras like why is she in the story?
You know, yeah, I don'tknow, it'll be it'll be weird
if there is, right, becausethat would require some either either her or
have gotten off that plane. Whichwe all know you can't do. Once
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you're once you're on the plane,they don't let you off. Uh remember
Ted Lasso an Alley, Yes exactly, you're yeah, and and so,
so you've got either that happens oruh, somehow man Cell makes it to
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Florida, which I can't imagine it'sthe case either. I think I think
we're getting set up for something else. And that actually ways nicely too.
So let's talk about the locals fora bit, right, because they actually
played a pretty big role here.Uh, Norbert and Maureen. They're kind
of two sides of the same localcop coin. Right. You've got Maureen,
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who seems to want to be alittle bit more measured and a little
bit more ordered about the way shedoes things, and Norbert, who just
wants to bust heads. Yeah,every time you say Norberg, I think,
okay, yeah, my favorite,my favorite heroin Frank that's a tall
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order, Nordberg. But I'll seewhat I can do. Kills me every
time, but yeah, every time, that's what I'm watching them roll down
the stairs and at Dodger Stadium ina wheelchair. Oh yeah, so feels
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the queen. So Maureen, Maureenwants to bring uh Clement in straight right,
she wants to arrest him and bringhim in and get him, get
him for the murder of the judge. And and Norbert just wants to what
does he say, put him ina bag in the desert or something like
just straight up kill him, throwhim off a building, let's see if
(15:24):
we can fly. Oh yeah,yeah, I think yeah, because I
think I thought like it was oneof the trailers or one of the previews,
like oh, why don't we justlook at Albady and stake care of
him or something like that, orlike I think I saw that, like
you know, in one of thetrailers and like that, Oh okay,
who are figure into playing to thestory? If we find out then uh
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yeah, that was one of theother ways or something like that. There's
something measures like the should like that. Yeah, Sandy, I mean Sandy
kind of set up that for us, right. She talked about how you
know, if you shoot one ofthem, then they're their brother or their
dad is going to come and shootone of yours, and then your family's
going to go and shoot one oftheirs, and it just becomes a whole
war thing. So she's kind ofset up this you know situation where you
(16:10):
know what we see with with Clementrobbing apparently robbing h Skender, that we're
going to have this kind of escalatingseries of retaliations. Yeah. Yeah,
yeah. And so what I wantedto talk about here with Maureen in particular
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was that, you know, sheoffers for Raylan and Willa to stay at
her house. And when she whenshe offered that, I was like,
Oh, she's coming on to Raylan. That's that's an angle. I did
not expect this to take. Andthen we get the scene at her house
and she's got her husband and hertwo young daughters there, and I was
like, oh, well, that'snot what's going on. And then it
(16:53):
occurs to me that, oh waita minute. As soon as Bill came
on the screen and he's washing thedishes and she given him a hug and
all that, I'm like, rI P Bill, Oh yeah, okay,
I got Yeah. Do you thinkthat that's you know, it's like
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I think, do you think thatthere's a there's a big payoff down the
road as far as like, oh, you know, he's mentioning the husband
and domestic blips and all this otherstuff. Yeah, I think there's something
coming, right. I don't knowif it's going to be, you know,
something happens to Bill, or somethinghappens to one of the girls,
or something happens to Maureen or orwhatever. But it feels very much like
(17:37):
why show the Happy Family. Imean, I get that you're trying to
contrast it with what Raylan's experiencing withWilla, But at the same time,
it felt a little over the topfor that, like this is they're setting
us up for something here. They'retrying to make us care about these people
for some reason, and because you'regoing to pull the rug out from under
us. All right, I'm markingthat down too. We'll see how that
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works out, how that plays out. Mark me down for that prediction.
I did. I did when whenwhen that? When Bill shut up and
he's washing the dishes and and uhand they're in the kitchen together. I
looked at Rachel and I'm like,r I p Bill because I felt the
foreshadowing heavy in that moment. That'sright, because the Raylan was like looking
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at it, Oh, will Iplay with the daughter or the other little
kids they are watching over them?Yeah? Yeah, it was like,
oh, yeah, this is thisis what I kind of what I want
or I'm missing or whatever. Yeah, I think, yeah, okay,
I see that. Okay, andI know nothing right Like I this,
this whole thing is not in thethat's not in the book. There's nothing
(18:45):
about this in the in the book. So I'm not I'm not spoiling a
storyline here. I am just completespeculating based on feel. But but to
kind of wrap up on the localsfor me at least, I don't know
about you, but I do haveanother door kickers gonna door kick comment here,
like straight up trashing Sweetie's bar andthe apartment, like slicing open the
(19:11):
cushions and trashing the pool table,Like why do you have to do that?
You know, I get that you'relooking for a murder weapon or whatever,
but you didn't manage to find it. It wasn't hidden that well in
the drop ceiling in the bathroom.Come on, yeah, yeah, good
thing. You cut open the couch. Well, that's you know, that's
(19:32):
that's on brand for the way thelocals are portrayed, right yeah, absolutely,
yeah, so yeah I got it, Yeah, absolutely on brand.
I do. I do like theconsistency that they've had, right, and
they're just you know, they justwant to just want to bust heads.
So yeah, yeah, uh Solet's talk about Carolyn and Sweetie then for
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a minute, because at one pointin this episode, you you uh,
you know, the locals, theyrest everybody and they're trying to question everybody,
and they get nothing thing out ofanybody because everybody just just you know,
shuts up and asks for their attorney, except for Mansell, who decides
he wants to sing white Stripes inthe in the interrogation room, and and
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we get to warn a little bitabout Sweetie. He actually has the gun.
After the arrest and after the searchand everything else, he had the
gun. I don't know if hehad found it first and hit it better,
or if he had you know,if he found it after the cops
left. But but Carolyn tells him, yeah, I'm gonna see if I
can get you an immunity deal.I guess basically the idea here, as
(20:38):
I understood it, was that hedoesn't want to turn in Mansell because he's
afraid that if he turns in Mancell, he's gonna go down for as an
accomplice for felony murder or whatever relatedto the killing of the drug dealers in
that house several years ago, andhe doesn't want to go down for that,
(21:00):
so Caroline's going to try and gethim an immunity deal, and uh,
and the other. The only otherthing that I really had about Sweetie
in this episode was I was tryingto figure out he's, uh, he's
talking to the guy who's helping himclean up, who's got the hipster mustache,
you know, And I was tryingto figure it felt like a very
intimate sort of conversation, and theway that they were positioned and the way
(21:23):
they were talking to each other feltlike it felt like a couple. And
I couldn't tell. Are we supposedto understand that they're together or is this
uh just somebody who works for somebody? Do you think? Oh I got
that. I got that exact samefeeling that there, you know, for
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uh, yeah, there were acouple. That's what I thought too.
Yeah, yeah, I mean it'syou know, like these these days,
who do That's the sense that Igot. Yeah, Yeah, I think
that's that's right. It just feltvery the the way that they were talking
to each other felt very intimate.So either they're a couple, or they've
been friends for a very very longtime. So yeah, I think we'll
(22:08):
we'll learn we'll probably learn more aboutthat as things go on here. And
then yeah, I'm leaving towards acouple. Yeah, I call it.
Now. That's where that's where myhead is too. I think that that's
I think that that's a safe,safe bet. Uh. Okay, let's
talk about Carolyn for a minute.So Carolyn. In this episode, we
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get a little bit more of herbackstory, puzzled filled in, not too
much though. Um, so welearned that her we what what I believe
is her law partner. We don'tknow for sure that yet. I don't
know if he was more than justher law partner in addition to being her
law partner. But um, theJamal, the gentleman that she met in
(22:55):
in the first episode, Uh ohs. You know, over one hundred thousand
dollars to the IRS. And I'mand she lives in gross Point and I'm
looking at it, I'm like,well, that's a really nice sort of
art decoe modern house in gross Pointand you got a pool and everything else.
(23:15):
You know, it feels a sixfigure tax line from the IRS doesn't
feel like an a low six figuretaxling from the RS doesn't feel like an
insurmountable mountain for her to climb.I don't know why she wouldn't just take
care of the problem, right,that's a good question. Well, I
mean she was in distressed definitely,because I think that pool was even empty.
(23:38):
I think you was just like sittingthere, you know, like so
through the house. I don't thinkit was running, you know, like
the way you should. Oh Okay, maybe that's maybe it's maybe it's dilapidated
and she doesn't have the income tokind of maintain maintain it or whatever.
Yeah. Yeah, I mean that'sthat's that's what I the impression that I
got. I mean, yeah,I think you're right, unless maybe you
(24:00):
know, like there's just the amountof money she's making from these criminal defense
attorney in Detroit just isn't that much. Maybe maybe yeah, yeah, yeah,
I mean yeah, I was gonnasay, who, who? Who
does she have to grease? Also, you know like that she has great
(24:23):
grease in that in the you know, for whatever else that she have going
on. You don't exactly have awhole picture, right, Yeah, it's
just everywhere, right, everybody's gota kick up. Yeah, exactly exactly,
So I didn't think it was Idon't know, I kind of laughed.
(24:44):
I don't know if that was anappropriate reaction. But when I like,
they had that one part where she'slike, oh, so she's like
submitting submitting an application to be ajudge wistfully, Yeah, yeah, I
like, I don't think that's theway unless you think you're gonna get a
lot of money, which you mightif you're on the take, but you
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know, like, yeah, Idon't know judges make that much money.
No, I don't think they do. That's not compared to this thing.
If you're in private practice, Iwould imagine, right, yeah, you
can. You know, the differencebetween being a judge and being in private
practice. Judges make good money,but they don't make the kind of money
you can make and you can makein private practice. The difference is you
don't have to hunt what you eat, right, you know, you get
(25:32):
you're you're just collecting a salary versushaving to go out there and scare up
clients and collect money and everything else. Yeah. Yeah, but but once
you're a judge, I mean,you know, it looked like she was
she was applying to be like ahired judge. If you're an elected judge,
you're you know, you've got afundraise and everything else. It becomes
(25:55):
like a that becomes like a secondfull time job. Yeah yeah, I
mean, well yeah, because you'rebasically a politician at that point, right,
because you're running for election yep.And you don't have political parties behind
you because political parties don't don't you'reyou're it's a non political races. So
(26:15):
it's not like you can go tothe party and get a bunch of money
to fund your campaign. So yeah, So anyway, so that's why I
go ahead, I was just gonnasay that. I So it's either that
or she's like, uh, youknow, like she's looking at that and
uh, you know, I lostmy freens. Thought it looked one way
(26:40):
and it could be interpreted another wayas far as like, uh, you
know, maybe she that's her ambition, so she can't like uh, because
I I don't think you know,she's obviously I don't think she's a straight
arrow, do you. Oh,as like yeah, so the other the
way, the other way to lookat it would be, oh, you
know I can do that if Iget to that position that you know,
(27:03):
looking all the money out and they'llcome my way. Yeah yeah, I
could be learning from Judge guy right, Like we were relatively certain he's corrupt
as all hell, so so yeah, she could be like, wow,
you know, it's part of thedeal here in Detroit. Let's let's go.
Yeah. Yeah. So we alsofind out that she studied, she
(27:23):
did her law school homework on abar stool at Sweeties, So there's there's
definitely a tie there that goes backa long way. So yeah, yeah,
all right, well let's get touh, let's get kind of our
main story, which is uh,which is a Skender and Clement Mansell and
(27:45):
Sandy Stanton. So this is whereMansell is now ready to start to go
after the Albanian. So they theyall get arrested, they all get questioned,
nobody flips, nobody admits anything,every but he asked for their lawyer,
and they all get released, umand uh. And but when they
get released, the cops are followingall of them around all the time.
(28:10):
And now Clement man Cell, becausehe makes smart decisions, decides that now
is the perfect time to go afterSkender and his money. Because what better
time than when the cops are watchingevery every movie Make to Do More Crime.
So it is interesting because as youwatch him, you know, you
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get that opening scene with him andCarolyn, and Carolyn's like, what are
you doing? And his response iswhatever I want to do. And you
know, Will accuses Raylan of doingthat in the episode as well of him
just doing whatever he wants to do. Um and so I thought that was
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an interesting sort of juxtaposition that thewriters kind of attempted to play up there.
But but it's very clear that Clementdoes whatever he wants to do whenever
he wants to do it. Heis not a man who plots and plans.
And actually that is uh, thatis where we'll bring in one of
our new features. You, sir, are no Boyd Crowder Crowder Crowder Crowder.
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So so my my kind of pieceof this here is that uh,
Boyd Boyd would get blinded by thetarget he would get, he would get
laser focused on it. He couldn'tsee anything else but the target, but
it never stopped him from planning andcontingency planning and double contingency planning. He
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always had kind of an out.And if you think about like Mexico with
cousin Johnny trying to get him.He had, you know, he was
a move ahead of cousin Johnny thereand managed to get the drop on him.
And so so you can see whereBoyd has, you know, very
carefully plotted his schemes. Now he'sthe road runner or he's the coyote and
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Raylan's the roadrunner. So it neveractually works, but but at least he's
methodical about it. Clement, onthe other hand, is kind of relying
on Sandy's hustle with this guy togain him a little bit, a tiny
little sliver of his trust, andthen instead of playing the long game,
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he's like immediately pressuring this guy onthe secret room and where he keeps his
cash. And then they get tohis place and he's like, no,
no, take me to the secretlike two minutes after they get there,
take me to the secret room.And and he's lucky that the guy,
the Skender is both an idiot andarrogant as all hell, because he does
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take him to the secret room,yeah, where he gets a gun pulled
on him. And again that's that'slike it's the second sort of layer of
impatience or doing whatever I want wheneverI want sort of to Clement, like,
why do it? Then? Whynot you know, work this guy
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a little bit more, become closerto him, learn more about what he
does and how much money he hasand where he keeps it and all that
stuff instead of you know, oh, I see a safe, I want
whatever's in it, even though theguy just told me there's no money in
it. I'm going to pull agun on you. Yeah. Yeah.
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And it is kind of a strangething with Skinder because somebody who has enough
foresight to have a you know,like build a secret room or everybody room
or whatever. Yeah, no,I think it was. It was there
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called yeah because there it's there wasa movie with Jody Foster group yep.
Um, So anyone who has himthat sort of foresight. But then he
like, he's kind of letting thisperson even though it's his the brother of
the system, of this woman he'sin love with. I mean, that
should raise the red flag, right, I mean, but this guy's an
(32:19):
idiot. I don't know. That'skind of a great space. He's just
blinded by his love for Sandy.I guess maybe I don't know. I
guess, I guess, but thatI don't know, I I it's kind
of like too easy almost, youknow, like you know what I'm saying.
(32:40):
I think it's may make it alittle bit too easy for him to
get in uh, to get inthat position. But we're at the at
the end of the episode. Itfelt too easy and it felt really quick,
right like it I mean, AndI guess I guess part of that
is, Hey, we're conveying whowho Clement man Sell is. Clement Manzell
is not a and who plans.He's a guy who you know, we've
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seen nothing but crime of opportunity fromhim. And that's what's funny, is
that what drives the entire plot ofthe show, right, because the judge
gets killed because it was a crimeof opportunity. He pissed off the wrong
guy at the wrong time, andthat was it. He got killed because
of it, and the cops can'tfigure out what the motive was or why
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it happened, and it's just totallyrandom. It's a chance encounter that you
know that ends up exactly yeah,yeah, yeah, yeah. Just remember
that next time you're on your wayout of a parking garage and you get
into a little traffic altercation. Yeah. So a couple more things that I
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wanted to talk about about Clement.So remember we talked last week about how
Clement man Sell is a man ofanachronism. We've got a couple anachronisms here
with Clement. He asked for atape recorder for his confession instead of using
the camera and the camera audio.He makes an a camera and then he
sings we are going to be friendsthe white Stripe song into into the camera,
(34:13):
knowing that Raylan's behind the mirror.It felt very uh oh, what
what movie is that? It feltvery um the Rock to me, like
when like smashes the mirror because thatguy's standing behind it. Yeah. Yeah.
And then he doesn't want Sandy touse the fancy bagel toaster. He
(34:35):
tells her to use the microwave ortoast the bagels over the burner, which
I thought was weird. And Ialso thought I also thought, oh wait
a minute, is there something goingon with the toaster. There's got to
be something else too. Yeah,yeah, well he might a little told
her turn on the turn on thestove so they could heat up the apartment,
(34:57):
right, turn on the oven opento prop the door open. Yeah,
yeah, I wonder and yeah,yeah, exactly. And then the
other thing is like Sandy, youknow, like maybe she's just like knows
what he says not to do somethinglike he kind of backs off like the
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weird like but it should have raisedlike some red flags with her too,
right, Oh for sure. Yeah, yeah, she's she's a sweet girl.
I'm not sure how smart she is. I think she's very savvy.
I don't think she's particularly bright.Um oh yeah, yeah, I think
that's fair. Yeah, I thinkshe's pretty good at the hustle, but
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but not much more than that.So yeah, yeah, I think you're
right. I mean, especially theway that she's like like just with with
Sender. Uh you know, it'slike just the way that she like interacts
with him, and then we seethat other side like oh you know,
like to like just leaving him onand it's so obvious to be the uh
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the last thing I wanted to talkabout with U with Clement, and then
I think we'll uh well, we'llget pretty close to wrap up here.
Um, the last thing I wantto talk about the uh anyone who watched
season five of Justified? When whenwhen Skender and Sandy and Clement leave the
bar and Clement is trying to losethe tail of the local cops. Um
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anyone who watched season five A Justifiedand saw Darryl Crow Junior ditch Tim would
have had a little bit of dejavu watching that scene because it's basically exactly
the same thing happens. He doesthe stay at the green light until it
turns red trick and then runs thered light, and then the cops who
are pursuing him get hit by anothercar. It's exactly the same. The
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only difference is I kind of likethe little dialogue the two locals out there.
Yeah, like his Cadillac, Imean like duck yeah. He's like
I was six four or whatever.I can't duck yeah. And I don't
know. That was kind of amusingto be. That was a moment where
I was really annoyed. I wasreally annoyed that the that the sound didn't
work very well, because you're absolutelyright, that dialogue was awesome. At
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one point he told him, hetold him hit the cloak of invisibility.
It's next to the flashers. Yeah, it's so good. And then it
gets ruined because you know, youhave to like listening with it again yeah,
just completely swallowed by the background audio. So I did really enjoy that.
(37:51):
All right, let's see if I'vegot uh, I got anything else
here that I oh, I wantedto talk about Skender for a second.
So, so Skender's in Albani andguy owns a hot dog stand, He's
got a secret panic room, agiant gold tooth, and apparently, according
to Clement Man, Sally's hung likea nine pound hammer, which is not
a phrase I've ever heard before,but I like very much. That's pretty
(38:15):
good. Yeah, yeah, allright, let's see what else we've got.
You know, do you I'm gonnasay, do you know any Albanians
like that? I only know themmy reputation. I don't know any Albanian.
I don't know. I don't knowif I want to. I know,
I know some Armenians. But Ilive in southern California, so that's
(38:37):
not unusual a little bit of anArmenian Albanian confusion in this episode two.
I think it was Rayle and whogets them confused? But yeah, yeah,
I think so too. Yeah,that was definitely Southern California is full
of Arbedia. Yeah, but Ijust Albanians. I was just thinking I
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don't really know other than my reputation. Yeah, yeah, I don't either.
I'm interested. So we're going tohave a guest on the show here
in a couple of weeks who actuallyused to practice law in Detroit, UM
and was a criminal defense attorney inDetroit, and so it'll be interesting.
I want to ask him a littlebit about Albanians in Detroit and whether that's
(39:21):
a that's a thing or if thatwas just kind of drummed up for the
book and subsequently the show. Uh, and that's if there's a big Albanian
organized crime sort of presence there inDetroit. But I'm glad you mentioned that
because we have a word of theweek and it's in Albanian and it's porta.
(39:42):
It means fart in Albanian. Andthank you to uh to Norbert for
letting us know. I do lovethat. We're never going to know why
he knows that, he just does. So. Uh. There's a little
audio queue at the end when Willais getting on the plane. It's got
(40:04):
the violins or whatever in the background, and it starts to sound a little
bit like old Justified and and maybelike it would lead right into you'll never
leave Harland alive sort of thing,and I thought that was cool. Yeah,
yeah, that looks cool. Uhoh. And and uh, Winona
and Richard are still together, souh I went back and checked, and
(40:28):
in the last episode of Justified,the guy who comes to the park uh
with Willa and Raylan and Winona uhis named Richard and so apparently the same
guy. He has the mustache too, and I think Willa made a reference
to his mustache in the first episode. And so yeah, it's the same
(40:49):
Richard. So that's that's quite along time that they've been together. Fifteen
years now. So yeah, yeah, well I guess you found the one.
I guess, so yeah. Andhe didn't try and steal or I
didn't. You didn't didn't get intobusiness with the Dixie Mafia or h or
shoot shoot anybody. So probably yeah. Plus uh oh. We had a
(41:15):
couple of cars in this episode thatI wanted to talk about because we have
a segment called this is Detroit.But and yeah, I mean we had
a yellow Corvette, which you know, is a very nice car. I
(41:37):
like the new Corvette a lot.I would like to get one. They're
still rather difficult to obtain and it'svery hard to get one for MSRP or
under, but but it's very verynice. I like it a lot.
I would never get it in yellow. I like the orange actually, but
um, it looks it looks likethe Corvette that what C nine they call.
(42:05):
Yeah, yeah it does. Itlooks like a like a mcclare and
almost or uh any other I wouldn'tsay a Ferrari, but it does look
like at least like a saran.So it does look and you know,
for half the money, I guessif you could buy it an MSRP,
way less than half the money unlessyou're getting the souped up version. You
(42:27):
can get those things like sixty grandif you can get them from MSRP.
So yeah, if you get themfrot MSRP. Yeah yeah, but I
like, have you seen and likeI see like markups, like one hundred
percent markups. I think when theyfirst came out, Yeah, I thought
I saw like people just because thingit's outrageous, you know, like it
was like a one hundred percent bunclebasing your you know, the double,
(42:49):
the double, the uh one hundredand twenty thousand, I guess it would
be or you know, two hundredthousand or whatever. Yeah, it's ridiculous,
but they're very very cool cars.Are very cool cars. But it's
also not a Lambo or a Ferrarior something like that and any other show.
If if we weren't trying to conveythat, hey, this is happening
in Detroit, it would have beenright. But here it's a Corvette because
(43:13):
that's American muscle baby, So solet's let's shut it off. And then
the cops driving a Cadillac about,like a bright blue Cadillac. That's not
I thought that was a little bitodd, right, like, wait a
minute, what the hell is this, but you know it's a Gmcity.
Yeah, well it's the Detroit versionof They wouldn't they're not Vice Top.
(43:34):
But remember like Studdy in Miami,Vice had a Ferrari. Oh yeah,
and uh like like the Dare cars. Yeah yeah, oh, speaking of
which, actually rayle It has likewe were talking about last week about the
uh you know, like he hadthat leagd down car. But you know,
like Zawi has a like a policeinterceptor like the Explorer suv. That
(43:59):
yeah moment for for all the policeapartment now because there is a yeah,
he was probably one of those,so I thought that was interesting. Yeah.
I wonder if the locals like loanedit to him or something maybe,
or if maybe the Marshall's office andDetroit have that or what. But yeah,
yeah, oh yeah, I meanhe's been there. I actually know
(44:20):
what I think about it. He'sonly been there for like two days like
that, right, yeah, yeah, two days. Yeah. And that's
the thing that's part of the thingthat pisses me off so much about the
Willa thing. Right, It's like, hey, it's been two days.
Give your dad a break. Youjust saw him beat the craft out of
something, dude. And then priorto that, maybe the day before that,
(44:43):
you know, you saw him likepull a shotgun on two guys who
are trying to rob you to bothof you, right, Carjack, Yeah,
exact Jack, not even a weekago it was. You can tell
that his job is very dangerous.You've almost and killed twice in a week.
Yeah, yeah, all right,Well, I think that gets a
(45:07):
territory that is weirder kid territory.Man, You're absolutely right. I think
it gets us to our final segmentthough, and that is are you going
to shoot him too? Raylan?I was telling my friends this morning yesterday,
coming in and you don't get outof town in twenty four hours,
I'm gonna shoot you on site.No, are you Goim'll get for you
before you even clear your weapons andtake my chances with the other helpful les
(45:32):
said less, I'm gonna shot tokill Are you gonna shoot him? To
Raylan? And this episode, Heyguess what Raylan to shoot anybody is this
episode? Nope, nobody got shot. Do you think do you think that
we'll get to the I mean therehas to be so like I maybe in
(45:54):
the last episode, but you know, like they didn't even start out with
any anybody. No, they didn't. They shot they shot the tires out.
Yeah, I have a feelings shootsomebody before the end of the season.
I have a feeling. Yeah.Yeah, I think that's a fair
(46:14):
and that's the safe set. Butthere has been aside from you know,
man Sale like offing the judge,um like usually the judge. I want
to bodies like the judge and theand his assistant. Yeah, uh,
there really haven't been much Doug play. No, a lot of implied violence
(46:36):
but or threatened violence, but notnot actual violence just yet. Aside from
the police, police have been plentyviolent up until this point, got broken
noses and smashed bars and yeah,uh so I don't know if I even
(46:57):
had I mean, you know,does make a lot of you know,
like the gun is the central thakeas for us, like the Burder weapon
for that they're trying to pay thattweety has that is like seventy years old
too, because that's a luger.Yeah. Yeah, well I want to
be chapter from the den Nazi likethat, right, like World War two?
(47:22):
And then uh, the the Albanianat the end he has that safeful
of guns, which I like thatthere, well, I like that standard
answer are they loaded? Hi?The guy's like, yeah, what dude,
are they are not? Or somethinglike what uses an unloaded gun?
(47:44):
That's something that says I think,Yeah, I tobably like that, and
I was waiting for him to pullout. But like the gold plated Desert
Eagles, like remember that movie,uh that movie with Nick Cage that war
not or was it The Lord ofWar? Yeah? Yeah, uh that
(48:06):
would have been a cool tiet ifyou did happen to have that, you
know, like how whatever they done, like based way through the Separate Universe.
It was in the movie yes,yeah, yeah, which one,
Ramble one or Ramble two or yeahall right, yeah, I didn't have
(48:30):
anything else after that, so yeah, I think that's it for me too.
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that's it. So let's get intolet's get into the episode here. So
uh so I'll start out with kindof an initial thought. I I thought
this was one of the weaker episodesof Justified than I've ever seen. Um,
I wasn't. I wasn't a superfan of this episode. I really
liked the first two of this season. Uh, didn't really love this one
(03:31):
all that much. How did youthink? What did you think? Randy?
There were a couple of things thatI noticed. I think you're right,
I think it's not it wasn't thestrongest out of the whole dud.
We're talking about everything, right,Yeah, I mean we've only seen the
first three so of this of CityPrime evil, But yeah, I would
say it wasn't strong. I thinkthere weren't even some problem I mean what
(03:53):
I'm talking to you from the phone, but I think there were some problems
with the audio from the from theepisode two, Like the music was kind
of loud. I don't know,like did you get that thing? Like
then? I absolutely did, II would There were several lines that I
didn't pick up until I had untilI was up here with my headphones on
(04:13):
listening to it, and even thenit was kind of hard to pick up
some of the lines. I thinkthe mix, the mix was off.
It was weird. The the thevocal audio was definitely behind the music or
behind the sound effects or behind everything. Yeah, yeah, it was.
Yeah, it was almost. Yeah, it was very distracting almost because like
(04:33):
you're saying, you could I couldn'tunderstand what they were saying and like what
I did were able to hear.You know, you have to like listen
to it. It was. Itwas good. It was very good,
like the you know, the dialoguewas good, but he kind of got
drowned out. Yeah, yeah,it did. It did. And in
particular this scene in the bar withClement and Skender and and Sandy. It
(04:58):
was very difficult to get what theywere saying, and I know that was
kind of the point of the environmentthat they were in. But at the
same time, it would it's goodfor the audience to be able to hear
the show. If you're if you'retaking the time to write fantastic dialogue,
let's let's let everybody hear it.Yeah, yeah, so uh so,
yeah that I was gonna say,please go ahead. Oh oh, I
(05:21):
was just gonna say, so you, I mean you and like, what
were the weeks? What's stuck outto you? As far as the week
point? So, I think therewere a couple of things going on here,
right, we spent an awful lotof time on the Raylan Willa father
daughter thing, and I know,like last week we talked a little bit
(05:41):
about you know, weener kid andand what's the what's the definition of a
weener kid? And she wasn't reallya weener kid in this very much,
but it just wasn't all that compellingof a storyline at the same time,
right, I think I do Ido owe you and a little bit of
an apology. You definitely kind ofcalled it. Last week you talked about
(06:04):
how Raylan was a bit of anabsentee father, And I said, well,
I'm not sure I buy I buythat because she would have laid into
him, right, because that's herstyle. Well she laid into him this
week. Yeah, she did.She did. And I don't know,
um, you know, like asfar as the relationship that they have,
(06:26):
like, I think it's one ofthose things where I think she goes back
and forth between wanting to be involvedwith his in his you know, like
happy to be in her life versusoh, you know, I still like
I don't need this, you know, you know what I mean, Like,
yeah, she's a teenager exactly.Yeah, she's trying to be aloo
(06:46):
because she's a teenager. But atthe same time, she does sort of
want her dad, want to bearound her dad because she likes her dad.
Yeah, and but there's that dialogueI think that that's going on in
her mind and which is I thinkit is actually pretty strong as far as
you know, like somebody who's inthat position where they you know, like
(07:08):
this this is their parent, right, this is their dad, but maybe
he's not that great of a dad, you know, And there's there are
some people who say, you know, like you know, he's your family
no matter what. And there thereare others who who say that the healthy,
healthiest thing for somebody who might beconsidered maybe even toxic as far as
like in in his position, asyou know, father, that you need
(07:30):
to cut that out, you know, cut them out of your life.
You're better off. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Now you know
she like you're saying, she's ateenager, and you know, like it's
so that's that part of it too. But you know, at a certain
point it's like, you know,maybe in like I don't know, five
ten years or something like that,maybe that's what you need to do.
(07:51):
Yeah, make that decision. Yeah, And I'd say, if you don't
have time for me, then Idon't need to try and make time for
you. Sort of situation. Atthe same time, right, he's got
this job. It's not a nineto five job. It's it's he takes
it very very seriously, probably moreseriously than most. And and so he
(08:13):
is he is out there doing hisjob, and so I get a little
annoyed when the kid's like, well, if you really wanted me here,
you'd find a way to keep mesafe. Well, there's a murderer running
around who's basically killing anything he canlay hands on. Yeah, aside from
the murdering lunatic. Yeah, Iguess I can make room for you.
(08:35):
But hey, you know it's soso that that was a little bit aggravating
for me as I'm watching this,like this is such a this is such
a tired trope, right, everykid, every teenager does this in TV
shows. They refuse to understand.It's the it's the same trope as the
you know, the guy who comeshome and is like we need to go
(08:56):
right now, we need to packabout and the wife or whatever is like,
no, you need to tell mewhat's going on. You know.
It's like yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, we're not we're not moving,
We're not doing anything until you tellme what's going on. I'm telling
you were in a tremendous amount ofdanger and we need to go. Let
(09:16):
me. Let me take thirty minutesto explain and answer all your questions.
I mean, but if you thinkabout it, it's like what is that
you know, like in this case, like what did Onona find a tractive
about railing? It was him beingfocused on you know, like that part
(09:37):
as far as like his job,you know, like being just like feniously
but you know, when it comesdown to it, like she's trying to
change him. Yeah or not shewasn't, you know, but like it's
the what do you what would youcall that? Like a paradox or something.
I don't know, it would beessentially, Yeah, it's like I
like you because you are somewhat distantand angry and very devoted to your job
(10:03):
and very good at it. ButI hate you because you're good at your
job and devoted to the Yeah.I had a note here that said that
the only thing this this episode wasmissing with the relationship between Raylan and his
daughter was was a audio of Arlowsinging Cats in the Cradle. Oh yeah,
(10:28):
boy was just lack me But yeah, I mean you could tell Raylan
is trying to be a good fatherbecause of Arlow. Right, He's he's
trying to do better. He's he'ssaying he'll do better. I don't know
how much I believe him about that. I think he I think he does.
(10:50):
I don't think it's for lack ofeffort that this sort of thing happens
to him. He just he hasa his priority scale might be a little
bit out of whack. At Yeah, especially at the age he is.
You know, when you think aboutwhat his career actually means at this point,
you know, his priorities might bea little out of order. Yeah,
(11:15):
So, but I do like thathe continues to not understand women,
even to a small degree, evenif it's his daughter, right Like he's
he's he's talking to her at thatdiner and projecting his anger with the world
and everyone in it onto her,and she's like, what are you talking
about. I'm not angry. You'rethe one who's angry. I'm not.
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I'm not angry. You're angry.Calmer than you are, dude, calmer
than you are. Yeah, Andactually you know what to say. And
I think that it's the most charitabletake I have as far as like their
relationship, because it could be alot worse. As far as like what
we've seen on screen, is thatI I do like, I do feel
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for you know, what both ofthem are trying to do. So,
you know, as far as likethey're I'm either just it's just not working
at this point. Yeah. Yeah. And so the last scene we get
as well, getting on a planeback to while she's heading to Tampa,
but presumably back by way of headingto Miami by way of Tampa. And
yeah, and so I think thatthat will pretty much be the end of
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that storyline. That's That's the impressionI got is that that felt that felt
like a resolution to me, orat least a mostly resolution. There might
be, you know, an appearancehere or there, but it's, uh,
I think that's pretty much resolved.So we can focus on Clement Mansell
and the Albanians and Sweetie and Carolynand all that nonsense that's going on.
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So I'm i'm I'm I'm eager tosee how they how they move past this
now. Well, I wonder,you know, like is there a payoff
down the road though, you know, like because we're at how many episodes
are going to be there's eight episodes, so there's five five episodes left,
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Okay, all right, it doesn'tfeel like the running out of time already?
Right, Yeah, totally does.It totally does. So I wonder
if there's a bigger payoff as faras like why is she in the story?
You know, yeah, I don'tknow, it'll be it'll be weird
if there is, right, becausethat would require some either either her or
have gotten off that plane. Whichwe all know you can't do. Once
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you're once you're on the plane,they don't let you off. Uh remember
Ted Lasso an Alley, Yes exactly, you're yeah, and and so,
so you've got either that happens oruh, somehow man Cell makes it to
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Florida, which I can't imagine it'sthe case either. I think I think
we're getting set up for something else. And that actually ways nicely too.
So let's talk about the locals fora bit, right, because they actually
played a pretty big role here.Uh, Norbert and Maureen. They're kind
of two sides of the same localcop coin. Right. You've got Maureen,
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who seems to want to be alittle bit more measured and a little
bit more ordered about the way shedoes things, and Norbert, who just
wants to bust heads. Yeah,every time you say Norberg, I think,
okay, yeah, my favorite,my favorite heroin Frank that's a tall
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order, Nordberg. But I'll seewhat I can do. Kills me every
time, but yeah, every time, that's what I'm watching them roll down
the stairs and at Dodger Stadium ina wheelchair. Oh yeah, so feels
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the queen. So Maureen, Maureenwants to bring uh Clement in straight right,
she wants to arrest him and bringhim in and get him, get
him for the murder of the judge. And and Norbert just wants to what
does he say, put him ina bag in the desert or something like
just straight up kill him, throwhim off a building, let's see if
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we can fly. Oh yeah,yeah, I think yeah, because I
think I thought like it was oneof the trailers or one of the previews,
like oh, why don't we justlook at Albady and stake care of
him or something like that, orlike I think I saw that, like
you know, in one of thetrailers and like that, Oh okay,
who are figure into playing to thestory? If we find out then uh
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yeah, that was one of theother ways or something like that. There's
something measures like the should like that. Yeah, Sandy, I mean Sandy
kind of set up that for us, right. She talked about how you
know, if you shoot one ofthem, then they're their brother or their
dad is going to come and shootone of yours, and then your family's
going to go and shoot one oftheirs, and it just becomes a whole
war thing. So she's kind ofset up this you know situation where you
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know what we see with with Clementrobbing apparently robbing h Skender, that we're
going to have this kind of escalatingseries of retaliations. Yeah. Yeah,
yeah. And so what I wantedto talk about here with Maureen in particular
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was that, you know, sheoffers for Raylan and Willa to stay at
her house. And when she whenshe offered that, I was like,
Oh, she's coming on to Raylan. That's that's an angle. I did
not expect this to take. Andthen we get the scene at her house
and she's got her husband and hertwo young daughters there, and I was
like, oh, well, that'snot what's going on. And then it
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occurs to me that, oh waita minute. As soon as Bill came
on the screen and he's washing thedishes and she given him a hug and
all that, I'm like, rI P Bill, Oh yeah, okay,
I got Yeah. Do you thinkthat that's you know, it's like
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I think, do you think thatthere's a there's a big payoff down the
road as far as like, oh, you know, he's mentioning the husband
and domestic blips and all this otherstuff. Yeah, I think there's something
coming, right. I don't knowif it's going to be, you know,
something happens to Bill, or somethinghappens to one of the girls,
or something happens to Maureen or orwhatever. But it feels very much like
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why show the Happy Family. Imean, I get that you're trying to
contrast it with what Raylan's experiencing withWilla, But at the same time,
it felt a little over the topfor that, like this is they're setting
us up for something here. They'retrying to make us care about these people
for some reason, and because you'regoing to pull the rug out from under
us. All right, I'm markingthat down too. We'll see how that
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works out, how that plays out. Mark me down for that prediction.
I did. I did when whenwhen that? When Bill shut up and
he's washing the dishes and and uhand they're in the kitchen together. I
looked at Rachel and I'm like,r I p Bill because I felt the
foreshadowing heavy in that moment. That'sright, because the Raylan was like looking
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at it, Oh, will Iplay with the daughter or the other little
kids they are watching over them?Yeah? Yeah, it was like,
oh, yeah, this is thisis what I kind of what I want
or I'm missing or whatever. Yeah, I think, yeah, okay,
I see that. Okay, andI know nothing right Like I this,
this whole thing is not in thethat's not in the book. There's nothing
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about this in the in the book. So I'm not I'm not spoiling a
storyline here. I am just completespeculating based on feel. But but to
kind of wrap up on the localsfor me at least, I don't know
about you, but I do haveanother door kickers gonna door kick comment here,
like straight up trashing Sweetie's bar andthe apartment, like slicing open the
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cushions and trashing the pool table,Like why do you have to do that?
You know, I get that you'relooking for a murder weapon or whatever,
but you didn't manage to find it. It wasn't hidden that well in
the drop ceiling in the bathroom.Come on, yeah, yeah, good
thing. You cut open the couch. Well, that's you know, that's
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that's on brand for the way thelocals are portrayed, right yeah, absolutely,
yeah, so yeah I got it, Yeah, absolutely on brand.
I do. I do like theconsistency that they've had, right, and
they're just you know, they justwant to just want to bust heads.
So yeah, yeah, uh Solet's talk about Carolyn and Sweetie then for
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a minute, because at one pointin this episode, you you uh,
you know, the locals, theyrest everybody and they're trying to question everybody,
and they get nothing thing out ofanybody because everybody just just you know,
shuts up and asks for their attorney, except for Mansell, who decides
he wants to sing white Stripes inthe in the interrogation room, and and
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we get to warn a little bitabout Sweetie. He actually has the gun.
After the arrest and after the searchand everything else, he had the
gun. I don't know if hehad found it first and hit it better,
or if he had you know,if he found it after the cops
left. But but Carolyn tells him, yeah, I'm gonna see if I
can get you an immunity deal.I guess basically the idea here, as
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I understood it, was that hedoesn't want to turn in Mansell because he's
afraid that if he turns in Mancell, he's gonna go down for as an
accomplice for felony murder or whatever relatedto the killing of the drug dealers in
that house several years ago, andhe doesn't want to go down for that,
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so Caroline's going to try and gethim an immunity deal, and uh,
and the other. The only otherthing that I really had about Sweetie
in this episode was I was tryingto figure out he's, uh, he's
talking to the guy who's helping himclean up, who's got the hipster mustache,
you know, And I was tryingto figure it felt like a very
intimate sort of conversation, and theway that they were positioned and the way
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they were talking to each other feltlike it felt like a couple. And
I couldn't tell. Are we supposedto understand that they're together or is this
uh just somebody who works for somebody? Do you think? Oh I got
that. I got that exact samefeeling that there, you know, for
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uh, yeah, there were acouple. That's what I thought too.
Yeah, yeah, I mean it'syou know, like these these days,
who do That's the sense that Igot. Yeah, Yeah, I think
that's that's right. It just feltvery the the way that they were talking
to each other felt very intimate.So either they're a couple, or they've
been friends for a very very longtime. So yeah, I think we'll
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we'll learn we'll probably learn more aboutthat as things go on here. And
then yeah, I'm leaving towards acouple. Yeah, I call it.
Now. That's where that's where myhead is too. I think that that's
I think that that's a safe,safe bet. Uh. Okay, let's
talk about Carolyn for a minute.So Carolyn. In this episode, we
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get a little bit more of herbackstory, puzzled filled in, not too
much though. Um, so welearned that her we what what I believe
is her law partner. We don'tknow for sure that yet. I don't
know if he was more than justher law partner in addition to being her
law partner. But um, theJamal, the gentleman that she met in
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in the first episode, Uh ohs. You know, over one hundred thousand
dollars to the IRS. And I'mand she lives in gross Point and I'm
looking at it, I'm like,well, that's a really nice sort of
art decoe modern house in gross Pointand you got a pool and everything else.
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You know, it feels a sixfigure tax line from the IRS doesn't
feel like an a low six figuretaxling from the RS doesn't feel like an
insurmountable mountain for her to climb.I don't know why she wouldn't just take
care of the problem, right,that's a good question. Well, I
mean she was in distressed definitely,because I think that pool was even empty.
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I think you was just like sittingthere, you know, like so
through the house. I don't thinkit was running, you know, like
the way you should. Oh Okay, maybe that's maybe it's maybe it's dilapidated
and she doesn't have the income tokind of maintain maintain it or whatever.
Yeah. Yeah, I mean that'sthat's that's what I the impression that I
got. I mean, yeah,I think you're right, unless maybe you
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know, like there's just the amountof money she's making from these criminal defense
attorney in Detroit just isn't that much. Maybe maybe yeah, yeah, yeah,
I mean yeah, I was gonnasay, who, who? Who
does she have to grease? Also, you know like that she has great
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grease in that in the you know, for whatever else that she have going
on. You don't exactly have awhole picture, right, Yeah, it's
just everywhere, right, everybody's gota kick up. Yeah, exactly exactly,
So I didn't think it was Idon't know, I kind of laughed.
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I don't know if that was anappropriate reaction. But when I like,
they had that one part where she'slike, oh, so she's like
submitting submitting an application to be ajudge wistfully, Yeah, yeah, I
like, I don't think that's theway unless you think you're gonna get a
lot of money, which you mightif you're on the take, but you
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know, like, yeah, Idon't know judges make that much money.
No, I don't think they do. That's not compared to this thing.
If you're in private practice, Iwould imagine, right, yeah, you
can. You know, the differencebetween being a judge and being in private
practice. Judges make good money,but they don't make the kind of money
you can make and you can makein private practice. The difference is you
don't have to hunt what you eat, right, you know, you get
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you're you're just collecting a salary versushaving to go out there and scare up
clients and collect money and everything else. Yeah. Yeah, but but once
you're a judge, I mean,you know, it looked like she was
she was applying to be like ahired judge. If you're an elected judge,
you're you know, you've got afundraise and everything else. It becomes
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like a that becomes like a secondfull time job. Yeah yeah, I
mean, well yeah, because you'rebasically a politician at that point, right,
because you're running for election yep.And you don't have political parties behind
you because political parties don't don't you'reyou're it's a non political races. So
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it's not like you can go tothe party and get a bunch of money
to fund your campaign. So yeah, So anyway, so that's why I
go ahead, I was just gonnasay that. I So it's either that
or she's like, uh, youknow, like she's looking at that and
uh, you know, I lostmy freens. Thought it looked one way
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and it could be interpreted another wayas far as like, uh, you
know, maybe she that's her ambition, so she can't like uh, because
I I don't think you know,she's obviously I don't think she's a straight
arrow, do you. Oh,as like yeah, so the other the
way, the other way to lookat it would be, oh, you
know I can do that if Iget to that position that you know,
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looking all the money out and they'llcome my way. Yeah yeah, I
could be learning from Judge guy right, Like we were relatively certain he's corrupt
as all hell, so so yeah, she could be like, wow,
you know, it's part of thedeal here in Detroit. Let's let's go.
Yeah. Yeah. So we alsofind out that she studied, she
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did her law school homework on abar stool at Sweeties, So there's there's
definitely a tie there that goes backa long way. So yeah, yeah,
all right, well let's get touh, let's get kind of our
main story, which is uh,which is a Skender and Clement Mansell and
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Sandy Stanton. So this is whereMansell is now ready to start to go
after the Albanian. So they theyall get arrested, they all get questioned,
nobody flips, nobody admits anything,every but he asked for their lawyer,
and they all get released, umand uh. And but when they
get released, the cops are followingall of them around all the time.
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And now Clement man Cell, becausehe makes smart decisions, decides that now
is the perfect time to go afterSkender and his money. Because what better
time than when the cops are watchingevery every movie Make to Do More Crime.
So it is interesting because as youwatch him, you know, you
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get that opening scene with him andCarolyn, and Carolyn's like, what are
you doing? And his response iswhatever I want to do. And you
know, Will accuses Raylan of doingthat in the episode as well of him
just doing whatever he wants to do. Um and so I thought that was
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an interesting sort of juxtaposition that thewriters kind of attempted to play up there.
But but it's very clear that Clementdoes whatever he wants to do whenever
he wants to do it. Heis not a man who plots and plans.
And actually that is uh, thatis where we'll bring in one of
our new features. You, sir, are no Boyd Crowder Crowder Crowder Crowder.
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So so my my kind of pieceof this here is that uh,
Boyd Boyd would get blinded by thetarget he would get, he would get
laser focused on it. He couldn'tsee anything else but the target, but
it never stopped him from planning andcontingency planning and double contingency planning. He
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always had kind of an out.And if you think about like Mexico with
cousin Johnny trying to get him.He had, you know, he was
a move ahead of cousin Johnny thereand managed to get the drop on him.
And so so you can see whereBoyd has, you know, very
carefully plotted his schemes. Now he'sthe road runner or he's the coyote and
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Raylan's the roadrunner. So it neveractually works, but but at least he's
methodical about it. Clement, onthe other hand, is kind of relying
on Sandy's hustle with this guy togain him a little bit, a tiny
little sliver of his trust, andthen instead of playing the long game,
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he's like immediately pressuring this guy onthe secret room and where he keeps his
cash. And then they get tohis place and he's like, no,
no, take me to the secretlike two minutes after they get there,
take me to the secret room.And and he's lucky that the guy,
the Skender is both an idiot andarrogant as all hell, because he does
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take him to the secret room,yeah, where he gets a gun pulled
on him. And again that's that'slike it's the second sort of layer of
impatience or doing whatever I want wheneverI want sort of to Clement, like,
why do it? Then? Whynot you know, work this guy
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a little bit more, become closerto him, learn more about what he
does and how much money he hasand where he keeps it and all that
stuff instead of you know, oh, I see a safe, I want
whatever's in it, even though theguy just told me there's no money in
it. I'm going to pull agun on you. Yeah. Yeah.
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And it is kind of a strangething with Skinder because somebody who has enough
foresight to have a you know,like build a secret room or everybody room
or whatever. Yeah, no,I think it was. It was there
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called yeah because there it's there wasa movie with Jody Foster group yep.
Um, So anyone who has himthat sort of foresight. But then he
like, he's kind of letting thisperson even though it's his the brother of
the system, of this woman he'sin love with. I mean, that
should raise the red flag, right, I mean, but this guy's an
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idiot. I don't know. That'skind of a great space. He's just
blinded by his love for Sandy.I guess maybe I don't know. I
guess, I guess, but thatI don't know, I I it's kind
of like too easy almost, youknow, like you know what I'm saying.
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I think it's may make it alittle bit too easy for him to
get in uh, to get inthat position. But we're at the at
the end of the episode. Itfelt too easy and it felt really quick,
right like it I mean, AndI guess I guess part of that
is, Hey, we're conveying whowho Clement man Sell is. Clement Manzell
is not a and who plans.He's a guy who you know, we've
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seen nothing but crime of opportunity fromhim. And that's what's funny, is
that what drives the entire plot ofthe show, right, because the judge
gets killed because it was a crimeof opportunity. He pissed off the wrong
guy at the wrong time, andthat was it. He got killed because
of it, and the cops can'tfigure out what the motive was or why
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it happened, and it's just totallyrandom. It's a chance encounter that you
know that ends up exactly yeah,yeah, yeah, yeah. Just remember
that next time you're on your wayout of a parking garage and you get
into a little traffic altercation. Yeah. So a couple more things that I
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wanted to talk about about Clement.So remember we talked last week about how
Clement man Sell is a man ofanachronism. We've got a couple anachronisms here
with Clement. He asked for atape recorder for his confession instead of using
the camera and the camera audio.He makes an a camera and then he
sings we are going to be friendsthe white Stripe song into into the camera,
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knowing that Raylan's behind the mirror.It felt very uh oh, what
what movie is that? It feltvery um the Rock to me, like
when like smashes the mirror because thatguy's standing behind it. Yeah. Yeah.
And then he doesn't want Sandy touse the fancy bagel toaster. He
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tells her to use the microwave ortoast the bagels over the burner, which
I thought was weird. And Ialso thought I also thought, oh wait
a minute, is there something goingon with the toaster. There's got to
be something else too. Yeah,yeah, well he might a little told
her turn on the turn on thestove so they could heat up the apartment,
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right, turn on the oven opento prop the door open. Yeah,
yeah, I wonder and yeah,yeah, exactly. And then the
other thing is like Sandy, youknow, like maybe she's just like knows
what he says not to do somethinglike he kind of backs off like the
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weird like but it should have raisedlike some red flags with her too,
right, Oh for sure. Yeah, yeah, she's she's a sweet girl.
I'm not sure how smart she is. I think she's very savvy.
I don't think she's particularly bright.Um oh yeah, yeah, I think
that's fair. Yeah, I thinkshe's pretty good at the hustle, but
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but not much more than that.So yeah, yeah, I think you're
right. I mean, especially theway that she's like like just with with
Sender. Uh you know, it'slike just the way that she like interacts
with him, and then we seethat other side like oh you know,
like to like just leaving him onand it's so obvious to be the uh
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the last thing I wanted to talkabout with U with Clement, and then
I think we'll uh well, we'llget pretty close to wrap up here.
Um, the last thing I wantto talk about the uh anyone who watched
season five of Justified? When whenwhen Skender and Sandy and Clement leave the
bar and Clement is trying to losethe tail of the local cops. Um
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anyone who watched season five A Justifiedand saw Darryl Crow Junior ditch Tim would
have had a little bit of dejavu watching that scene because it's basically exactly
the same thing happens. He doesthe stay at the green light until it
turns red trick and then runs thered light, and then the cops who
are pursuing him get hit by anothercar. It's exactly the same. The
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only difference is I kind of likethe little dialogue the two locals out there.
Yeah, like his Cadillac, Imean like duck yeah. He's like
I was six four or whatever.I can't duck yeah. And I don't
know. That was kind of amusingto be. That was a moment where
I was really annoyed. I wasreally annoyed that the that the sound didn't
work very well, because you're absolutelyright, that dialogue was awesome. At
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one point he told him, hetold him hit the cloak of invisibility.
It's next to the flashers. Yeah, it's so good. And then it
gets ruined because you know, youhave to like listening with it again yeah,
just completely swallowed by the background audio. So I did really enjoy that.
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All right, let's see if I'vegot uh, I got anything else
here that I oh, I wantedto talk about Skender for a second.
So, so Skender's in Albani andguy owns a hot dog stand, He's
got a secret panic room, agiant gold tooth, and apparently, according
to Clement Man, Sally's hung likea nine pound hammer, which is not
a phrase I've ever heard before,but I like very much. That's pretty
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good. Yeah, yeah, allright, let's see what else we've got.
You know, do you I'm gonnasay, do you know any Albanians
like that? I only know themmy reputation. I don't know any Albanian.
I don't know. I don't knowif I want to. I know,
I know some Armenians. But Ilive in southern California, so that's
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not unusual a little bit of anArmenian Albanian confusion in this episode two.
I think it was Rayle and whogets them confused? But yeah, yeah,
I think so too. Yeah,that was definitely Southern California is full
of Arbedia. Yeah, but Ijust Albanians. I was just thinking I
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don't really know other than my reputation. Yeah, yeah, I don't either.
I'm interested. So we're going tohave a guest on the show here
in a couple of weeks who actuallyused to practice law in Detroit, UM
and was a criminal defense attorney inDetroit, and so it'll be interesting.
I want to ask him a littlebit about Albanians in Detroit and whether that's
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a that's a thing or if thatwas just kind of drummed up for the
book and subsequently the show. Uh, and that's if there's a big Albanian
organized crime sort of presence there inDetroit. But I'm glad you mentioned that
because we have a word of theweek and it's in Albanian and it's porta.
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It means fart in Albanian. Andthank you to uh to Norbert for
letting us know. I do lovethat. We're never going to know why
he knows that, he just does. So. Uh. There's a little
audio queue at the end when Willais getting on the plane. It's got
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the violins or whatever in the background, and it starts to sound a little
bit like old Justified and and maybelike it would lead right into you'll never
leave Harland alive sort of thing,and I thought that was cool. Yeah,
yeah, that looks cool. Uhoh. And and uh, Winona
and Richard are still together, souh I went back and checked, and
(40:28):
in the last episode of Justified,the guy who comes to the park uh
with Willa and Raylan and Winona uhis named Richard and so apparently the same
guy. He has the mustache too, and I think Willa made a reference
to his mustache in the first episode. And so yeah, it's the same
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Richard. So that's that's quite along time that they've been together. Fifteen
years now. So yeah, yeah, well I guess you found the one.
I guess, so yeah. Andhe didn't try and steal or I
didn't. You didn't didn't get intobusiness with the Dixie Mafia or h or
shoot shoot anybody. So probably yeah. Plus uh oh. We had a
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couple of cars in this episode thatI wanted to talk about because we have
a segment called this is Detroit.But and yeah, I mean we had
a yellow Corvette, which you know, is a very nice car. I
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like the new Corvette a lot.I would like to get one. They're
still rather difficult to obtain and it'svery hard to get one for MSRP or
under, but but it's very verynice. I like it a lot.
I would never get it in yellow. I like the orange actually, but
um, it looks it looks likethe Corvette that what C nine they call.
(42:05):
Yeah, yeah it does. Itlooks like a like a mcclare and
almost or uh any other I wouldn'tsay a Ferrari, but it does look
like at least like a saran.So it does look and you know,
for half the money, I guessif you could buy it an MSRP,
way less than half the money unlessyou're getting the souped up version. You
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can get those things like sixty grandif you can get them from MSRP.
So yeah, if you get themfrot MSRP. Yeah yeah, but I
like, have you seen and likeI see like markups, like one hundred
percent markups. I think when theyfirst came out, Yeah, I thought
I saw like people just because thingit's outrageous, you know, like it
was like a one hundred percent bunclebasing your you know, the double,
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the double, the uh one hundredand twenty thousand, I guess it would
be or you know, two hundredthousand or whatever. Yeah, it's ridiculous,
but they're very very cool cars.Are very cool cars. But it's
also not a Lambo or a Ferrarior something like that and any other show.
If if we weren't trying to conveythat, hey, this is happening
in Detroit, it would have beenright. But here it's a Corvette because
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that's American muscle baby, So solet's let's shut it off. And then
the cops driving a Cadillac about,like a bright blue Cadillac. That's not
I thought that was a little bitodd, right, like, wait a
minute, what the hell is this, but you know it's a Gmcity.
Yeah, well it's the Detroit versionof They wouldn't they're not Vice Top.
(43:34):
But remember like Studdy in Miami,Vice had a Ferrari. Oh yeah,
and uh like like the Dare cars. Yeah yeah, oh, speaking of
which, actually rayle It has likewe were talking about last week about the
uh you know, like he hadthat leagd down car. But you know,
like Zawi has a like a policeinterceptor like the Explorer suv. That
(43:59):
yeah moment for for all the policeapartment now because there is a yeah,
he was probably one of those,so I thought that was interesting. Yeah.
I wonder if the locals like loanedit to him or something maybe,
or if maybe the Marshall's office andDetroit have that or what. But yeah,
yeah, oh yeah, I meanhe's been there. I actually know
(44:20):
what I think about it. He'sonly been there for like two days like
that, right, yeah, yeah, two days. Yeah. And that's
the thing that's part of the thingthat pisses me off so much about the
Willa thing. Right, It's like, hey, it's been two days.
Give your dad a break. Youjust saw him beat the craft out of
something, dude. And then priorto that, maybe the day before that,
(44:43):
you know, you saw him likepull a shotgun on two guys who
are trying to rob you to bothof you, right, Carjack, Yeah,
exact Jack, not even a weekago it was. You can tell
that his job is very dangerous.You've almost and killed twice in a week.
Yeah, yeah, all right,Well, I think that gets a
(45:07):
territory that is weirder kid territory.Man, You're absolutely right. I think
it gets us to our final segmentthough, and that is are you going
to shoot him too? Raylan?I was telling my friends this morning yesterday,
coming in and you don't get outof town in twenty four hours,
I'm gonna shoot you on site.No, are you Goim'll get for you
before you even clear your weapons andtake my chances with the other helpful les
(45:32):
said less, I'm gonna shot tokill Are you gonna shoot him? To
Raylan? And this episode, Heyguess what Raylan to shoot anybody is this
episode? Nope, nobody got shot. Do you think do you think that
we'll get to the I mean therehas to be so like I maybe in
(45:54):
the last episode, but you know, like they didn't even start out with
any anybody. No, they didn't. They shot they shot the tires out.
Yeah, I have a feelings shootsomebody before the end of the season.
I have a feeling. Yeah.Yeah, I think that's a fair
(46:14):
and that's the safe set. Butthere has been aside from you know,
man Sale like offing the judge,um like usually the judge. I want
to bodies like the judge and theand his assistant. Yeah, uh,
there really haven't been much Doug play. No, a lot of implied violence
(46:36):
but or threatened violence, but notnot actual violence just yet. Aside from
the police, police have been plentyviolent up until this point, got broken
noses and smashed bars and yeah,uh so I don't know if I even
(46:57):
had I mean, you know,does make a lot of you know,
like the gun is the central thakeas for us, like the Burder weapon
for that they're trying to pay thattweety has that is like seventy years old
too, because that's a luger.Yeah. Yeah, well I want to
be chapter from the den Nazi likethat, right, like World War two?
(47:22):
And then uh, the the Albanianat the end he has that safeful
of guns, which I like thatthere, well, I like that standard
answer are they loaded? Hi?The guy's like, yeah, what dude,
are they are not? Or somethinglike what uses an unloaded gun?
(47:44):
That's something that says I think,Yeah, I tobably like that, and
I was waiting for him to pullout. But like the gold plated Desert
Eagles, like remember that movie,uh that movie with Nick Cage that war
not or was it The Lord ofWar? Yeah? Yeah, uh that
(48:06):
would have been a cool tiet ifyou did happen to have that, you
know, like how whatever they done, like based way through the Separate Universe.
It was in the movie yes,yeah, yeah, which one,
Ramble one or Ramble two or yeahall right, yeah, I didn't have
(48:30):
anything else after that, so yeah, I think that's it for me too.
So with that, well we'll wrapit up. Don't forget to to
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