September 3, 2023 • 48 mins
Time for Clement to face his terrible music in this week's episode of Justified City Primeval!
Join Chris and Randy this week for a look at the finale of Justified City Primeval, an episode called "The Question." On this week's Groundless, your hosts: Attmept to rank the quality of this season amongst the other seasons of Justified; Speculate on the future of the franchise given the escape of Boyd Crowder and the retirement of Raylan Givens; Wonder why Mansell didn't attempt to talk his way out of that panic room - and realize it's because he's no Boyd Crowder; Observe that Justified City Primeval became a terminator movie so gradually we barely even noticed; and Appreciate that, as our theme music says, there ain't no happy endings 'round here.
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Join Chris and Randy this week for a look at the finale of Justified City Primeval, an episode called "The Question." On this week's Groundless, your hosts: Attmept to rank the quality of this season amongst the other seasons of Justified; Speculate on the future of the franchise given the escape of Boyd Crowder and the retirement of Raylan Givens; Wonder why Mansell didn't attempt to talk his way out of that panic room - and realize it's because he's no Boyd Crowder; Observe that Justified City Primeval became a terminator movie so gradually we barely even noticed; and Appreciate that, as our theme music says, there ain't no happy endings 'round here.
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Rolling down to pull the blood andthe speed of bowl covid like a tail
on night Tornado, ring of Promisol, kids with one hand on the grass,
pie he ever on wheel, doubleriding, shot gun singing. Boy,
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Let's make a deal. This isGroundless a Justified podcast. That's the
podcast where you watch every episode ofJustified and then come on here and talk
about it. I'm Chris, thatman is Randy. You know, I'm
not gonna say that this series wasthe worst out of all of the seventh
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or yeah, seventh seasons. I'mJustified. Yeah, I can't say that,
but maybe we'll talk about that later. Boy oh boy, I will
say, Hey, you know itis it is an interesting sort of question
to pose to yourself as you're watchingthis, like, oh, is season
five worse than this one? Oris this one it's you know, worse
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than season five? And the answerI came up with is that it's different.
It's different than season five. It'snot necessarily better or worse, but
but it's close. So yeah,we'll talk about it. We'll talk about
that, we'll talk about how thisseats in with the other seasons have Justified,
uh yeah, and then we'll talkabout that last ten minutes and what
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that might mean and how how wefelt about that. I don't know.
I don't know. Do we wantto talk about that first? I feel
like maybe we want to talk aboutthat first. Okay, let's talk about
that first, all right. Soso we get the resolution of the story,
and we'll talk about how we getthere and the various things that happens.
But but the last ten minutes weget Raylan essentially, you know,
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retires it gets off the chief jobin Miami. He declines and quits.
We see Willah and Winona and Uand then will and Raylan are out on
there out on what's going to bethe rest of Raylan's life, right which
is retired on a boat, ona seized boat that he borrowed from the
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Marshall Service, with Willa just chillingout there, and the phone goes off,
and we see a little flashed Kentuckyand one boyd Crowder walking through prison
with his with his bible, andessentially what happens is he's in cahoots with
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a prison guard, female prison guardwho's in love with him and conspires to
escape. He's he's in a transportto go to a hospital to have some
sort of diagnosis done. He's beenplaying possum of some sort or maybe he
really is sick. Who knows,you know what the truth is there?
Uh and uh and you know there'sa little you know scene where he makes
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a racket in the back of thetransport and then they managed to escape together,
which which is wild, right,I mean, there's two prison guards
driving this transport. And there's afew things that kind of stuck out to
me about this, but but thelong and short of it is that Boyd
Crowder escapes from from prison with thehelp of a prison guard who, by
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the way, that woman that thatwoman who played the prison guard happens to
be married to Dave Andren, who'sthe show runner for Justified City Prime evil
lovely woman by the way, alsobut yeah married, she had the like
she took off the uniform. Ohyeah, like they say goodbye to the
easy moment exactly, like whoa,you're we're hiding those out of that prison
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guard outfit. So yeah, voidsvoid's on the loose, we think,
right, I mean we were.There's a little bit of a suggestion that
maybe it's Raylan's imagination because it flashesback to him, and he's got his
eyes closed and he might have beendozing off a little bit seeing that,
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you know play out. But butwe do get the confirmation from the cell
phone and the phone ringing from theKentucky Marshall's office calling Raylan to to help.
So so I knew that there wassomething that was going to happen because
the episode was so short, thecontent of the episode was so short,
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I was like, well, itcan't be over. Yeah, there's got
to be more to this, andI was trying to figure out what that
was going to be, and uh, and then we got this. So
what did you think? What didyou think when when you saw all that?
It's a great thing for fan serviceas far as the you know,
because we really there was nothing reallyreferring to uh, you know, rail
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as time in Kentucky at all thiswhole this whole season. So that was
fun, it was entertaining. Ithink it's it's not really uh, I
would consider it like an extended Easteregg really, yeah, you know,
like it's because it's kind of likenot that, it's more like an add
on really the way I see it. So, so it was fun and
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everything else, and it it kindof gives you the whole uh oh,
you know, it opens up fora season two possibly, but I don't
know. I considering the tone ofof of the whole uh C Primeval season,
almost I wouldn't say it's out ofplace, but yeah, I wouldn't
say it's uh it connects as closelyto this season as uh you would have
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hoped or would have hoped. Yeah, so yeah, I was. I
was. I mean I obviously,of course, the moment that Kentucky the
words Kentucky flashed on the screen andyou saw a prison uniform with a Bible
in his hand, I'm like,oh shit, it's boyd right, And
I mean I knew that that waswhat was going to happen, And so
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I was excited because you know,we saw our old friends again. It's
very exciting and like you said,fan service, it's cool. It's kind
of do that. And then Iwas immediately annoyed. And I was immediately
annoyed for two reasons, right,So the first reason that I was immediately
annoyed was that I was like,Okay, those ten minutes were really cool,
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and it's like the producers decided tosay, hey, we could have
made this show, but we decidedto make seven and a half episodes of
that other show instead. How doyou like that? Fans? It's sort
of like, you know, there'sa there's a we talked about cinema sins
on this podcast before, and theydo the everything wrong with and what they
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do, and when somebody does somethinglike this, they're always like, oh,
the movie decided to show us fiveminutes of an inarguably better movie that
we could have seen instead, Andthat's sort of what it feels like.
It's like, Oh, here's tenminutes of what would have been a much
better TV show or movie for thatmatter, for you to watch. Yeah,
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so that's the first thing that kindof annoyed me. But the second
thing that annoyed me is that Ididn't realize quite how passionately I was going
to feel about altering the ending toJustified Right, because oh, yeah,
the ending felt so perfect and wehaven't even gotten to that on the podcast
yet, so we won't talk toomuch about it. But but the ending,
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and we've talked about we talked aboutit on the post credit podcast when
they had us on that the endingof the show just felt so perfect that
that now doing this sort of almostfeels like you're betraying that ending that the
show had. And that's that's thatalso annoyed me a little bit when I
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was thinking about it. Now allof that said, am I down for
a you know what I'd like tosee the version of this that I'd like
to see, which is essentially atwo hour fugitive style movie where Raylan is
chasing Boyd and his prison prison guardgirlfriend. Yeah, yeah, I do
want to see that. Would youhave to search every hen house out house
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exactly fifty mile radius? Yeah,I mean I want the Fugitive three with
Boyd and Raylan. That's the thing, not too much to ask here.
It would be US Marshals, really, because it was that one with when
he was trying to capture Wesley's right. Yeah, sorry, I just like,
I call that the Fugitive two,but it's actually called Us Marshalls.
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You're right, it is. Yeah, it's been it's been the same movie
again. Yeah, yeah, andso yeah, so that's that's what I
want, and that's that's what Ihope they can give us here. I
think what we're gonna end up withis probably another eight eight episodes or so.
And I worry a little bit aboutthat. I worry a little bit
about another eight episodes with that kindof self contained story. I wonder how
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good that's going to be. Butwith Boyd, with Boyd, Yeah,
that's what I suspect is going tohappen. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
it's Uh, I don't know.I think you're right. I mean,
just the way it did end,Uh, it was, it was.
It had a lot of finality toit. But you know, just like
the silence of the labs, theylittle teaser, Yeah, meeting an old
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friend for dinner. Yeah, Iwondered why now? Right? Was part
of part of my analysis too.As I was watching this, I was
like, Okay, we're we're youknow whatever, fifteen years removed? Why
break out now of all time times? Why you know right when Raylan retires?
Why does it have to be then? Why wasn't it sooner? Why
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isn't it later? What is itthat's driving you breaking out of jail now?
Yea? And I was starting tobecause you know, we what do
we know about Boyd? We knowthat Boyd's not going to do something like
this without a plan in place.He knows he's going to need money,
and so he's got to have someway to get money. He's got to
have some something cooked up for himto get money. He's not just going
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to go to Mexico and live likea pauper. So because all the Mexicans
there, right exactly. I've beento Mexico, boy and I don't think
you'd like it very much. It'sfull of Mexicans. Yeah, So so
we'll see, we'll see kind ofwhat what ends up happening there. But
but I was a little puzzled bya Boyd's motivent. In my own head,
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I sort of made up this likebackstory of you know, Boyd,
for whatever reason, they're able todo a genetic like a twenty three in
me style test in the zon orwhatever. He's able to do that,
and uh, you know, oh, Ava's kid had one in school they
did as an activity, and andyou know, BOYD found out that there's
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this random kid of his that he'srelated to somewhere that goes by a different
name or whatever because of a twentythree and me DNA test or something that's
that's sort of and then he's like, Okay, now I've got to get
out of prison and go find thatand go find my kid. Yeah,
yeah, that was sort of thestory I made up in mind. That
would actually be an interesting thing.You just have to wonder how he would
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have gotten access to that, yeah, you know, yeah, and you
wonder, you know, like itdoes it doesn't. It's not that far
of a stretch for me to assumethat, you know, Hey, look,
they would want prisoners to do thatso that they can have the DNA
records and everything. Like, Okay, I mean that actually makes a little
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bit of sense when you think aboutit. So let's have all the prisoners
do it. Prisoners might you know, find it fun, you know,
they can you know whatever. I'mguessing there's a few of them who don't
know their dads, so they wouldwould be able to maybe find their dad's
Not really that's probably actually that's Imean, there's certainly an element of that,
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right, So you could have thewhole government conspiracy about pre crime at
this point by in here. Yeah, you know what buy a note here
about like that whole sequence was whenLuise Gooseman shows up as prison guards and
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he's like, oh, you're notgoing to give me an in trouble.
I'm just okay, Well you wouldn'tbe here Luis Guzman if something important wasn't
going to happen. Well, theother thing was rever he wasn't out of
sight. Also whatever, So justshowing up. I love it. Yeah,
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oh yeah, because yeah, youlike the character or the accuracy show
up as multiple characters the same universe, in the same universe. It's my
favorite thing. Yeah yeah, likethe guy who played Ray Cruise and then
the guy who played the he playedthe bartender, and uh and in pulp
fiction too, Yeah yeah, soI yeah, so I thought that was
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like, okay, there's nothing happening, but also it was a bit of
a red flag when you saw LouisGuzman. Yeah yeah, yeah, but
also you know, like it,like the episode basically you just had a
thirty minute episode to resolve the wholeyou know, Raylan and how of Clement
Mancell end up end up in thelike he basically and the way the series
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started with what's his name in theat the Miami roofed up Tommy Bucks Tommy
Bucks yep, yep, essentially thesame thing, and you know, interestingly
similar to kind of the way theending plays out in the book. Oh
yeah, and similar to Ray cruisea story, right, Ray Crews tells
a story about how he had abottle opener and he shot him. Anyway,
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in this case, we know that. I mean, it's it's obviously
a clean shoot from from Raylan standpoint, It's there's no question about it.
Right. He he had a guntucked into his belt, he broke into
violently broke into someone's house in themiddle of the night. That's as clean
of a shooting as there's ever goingto be, even if he only had
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a cassette tape in his hand.After having committed multiple murders. Right,
well, he went like tea ortwo of the in that police station,
the Albis. Yeah, so wewere talking about like, wait, when
did when did Clement man self becomethe terminator? Because you're absolutely right,
I want to talk about that fora minute, right, because he does.
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He he gets out of the roombecause Skender's an idiot. Right,
So Skender, you know, decideshe wants to be a man, goes
to where goes to where Clement islocked up in the panic room, lets
him out Skender then I'm Clement thenbeats him to death, savagely beats Skender
to death. Then he goes tothe Venus, the headquarters of the Albanian
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mob on that side of the river, and goes full on t T one
thousand. Yeah, just murders everyonein the venus. And it really should
have murdered that old guy too,you know, that would have been Yeah,
yeah, absolutely would have been,like for him to walk around behind
him and then shoot him on theway out or something. Yeah, I
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agree, I agree entirely. Itwas very much out of character for him
not to kill him. But yeah, so so Skender or so Clement murders
all of the Albanians in full onterminator style, and then and then he
and Raylan have their little standoff andyeah, you know, and you mentioned
you mentioned this thirty minute episode,which essentially it was before we got the
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PostScript, and yet they still hadtime. Again my issue with the show,
the thirty minute episode. You know, you've only got eight of these
episodes, but yet you found timefor three episodes worth a willa, right,
You've only got eight episodes, andyet you found time for them to
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have this like weird ass scene withCarolyn in the bathtub and Raylan not in
the bathtub, like giving her likea sponge bath or whatever. She's like,
oh, don't stop, don't stop, Like, okay, very believable.
It's so weird, it's so awkward. It was like, I haven't
libeled as an awkward sponge bath,right, And yeah, and I understand
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that that what the writers and theproducers were trying to show is that Raylan's
conflicted about this this and to leaveClement in the panic room and abandoned him
there to die of whatever dehydration orexhaustion or suffocation or whatever. Right.
Yeah, But but we don't needwe don't need that, right, we
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know that Raylan's conflicted by this decision. We don't we don't need to see
him giving Carol in a sponge bathto understand that. And do you think
that Carola they're trying to make becauseI don't think she has How do I
say this while Kenny in trouble?Uh, I don't think she's Like,
she's not somebody who I would pictureas uh as sexual, you know,
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like I don't there's no my inmy opinion, I don't have any attraction
to her and I don't see herthat way. I think again, I
think that it's how she chose toplay the character right, And and that's
fine. I don't think I don'tthink Jane Ellis is particularly unattractive. I
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don't think that she's you know,non sexual in any way and other stuff
that I've seen her, and Ithink she's just sort of playing this character
Carolyn in a very sort of straightway. And it doesn't convey It doesn't
convey to the chemistry between between Carolynand Raylan. It doesn't convey to kind
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of her seductiveness. It's just notthere. There just isn't any She doesn't
strike me as seductive at all.And uh, and so you know,
we've we've talked about this from thebeginning of this lack of chemistry between Raylan
and Carolyn, and I just wonder, you know where where that came from,
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because I think it's the actors.I don't think it's necessarily their appearances
or anything like that. It's justthe way that they've chosen to play the
characters, or maybe a lack ofchemistry between the actors themselves that I think
it's left. Yeah, yeah,you know what, maybe I will just
chuck it up to lack of chemistrythen, I mean, yeah, actually,
I think that's what we had talkedabout before, like, yeah,
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I don't know, I think ormaybe she's just miscast. It could be
it could be. I mean,I mean that could that could be the
case too. I I don't know. It's it's hard, right, It's
yeah, yeah, it's hard.It's hard because I you know, we
don't want to make this about theactress necessarily or her appearance by any stretch
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of imagination. It's really about thecharacter. And and I don't know,
I don't I just I thought itwas poorly done, kind of across the
board the way that that Carolyn washandled. Carolyn in the Hook is an
interesting character. Carolyn in the showis a far less interesting character. Yeah,
that's one is going to ask you, like, how like did you
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have you had obviously if you hadread the book, then you probably had
a visualization of the way, youknow, like you an idea of what
she would be like as far asmaybe in the series, how much different
how much different compared to the bookwould you say she is? I would
actually go so far as to saynot all that different. Right In the
book, there's more chemistry between Carolynand Ray Cruz, which, by the
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way, that oh yeah, that'swhat calls Ray and the book, which
is why she calls Raylan Ray andthe show. It's the whole thing.
There's more chemistry for sure in thebook between between Ray and Carolyn. But
I would say that it's written.I would say it's not a significant departure
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from the way that it's written.Right. She's she's meant to be older,
a little bit older, which whichis fine because Ray is and Raylan
is in the show. That's theidea. And uh, she's not written
as completely as sort of hostile tothe idea of Sax, which is sort
of what you feel like when whenyou're when you're interacting with Carolyn in the
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show, like she's just openly hostileto anything not furthering her own interests.
Is sort of how it feels.But I think that's a true Again,
I think that's a choice of howyou play that character. Yeah, but
would you think of uh Whynona uhWanona is great? I mean she looks
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great. Of course, she lookedexactly the same. She hasn't aged a
day. Basically. I thought thatthe I thought it was clever to have
have Willa rolling over her grass aftergetting her learners for men. I think
that's wonderful. Oh man, SoWilla is is kind of a train wreck
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really, you know, like Idon't know, she's h you know,
like we had talked before, she'sa teenager and everything else, but she's
I don't know what she's going tobe like when she's like older. But
I have my theories. I havea thought, I have a feeling.
I know what Willow is going tobe like when she's older. She will
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be sitting in mud at burning Man, right, trying to find herself,
trying to find herself. That's that'swhat I feel about Willow. When she
gets older, I think, Yeah, a little bit of a hippie,
a little bit of a weirdo.Yeah yeah, puts still stuck in the
mud. It's still stuck in themud, yeah, sheltering in place.
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So so yeah, let's see whoelse do we have here. We talked
about Clement, you know, wetalked about We've talked in the past about
how Clement Mansell is no boyd Crowderright and Crowder void Crowder or Crowder and
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and we get a direct contrast inthis episode, right, So you've got
in the in the beginning of theepisode, Clement is being locked in the
in the panic room, and heimmediately occurs to him what's going on.
He knows what's going to happen there, right, Yeah, but yet he
allows himself to get locked in thatroom without even trying to talk his way
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out, right, Like Boyd wouldnever have allowed that to happen. There
would have been there would have beenfifteen lines of conversation that Boyd would have
started, like, oh, well, I have this information on this thing,
or you know, what if wedid this and then you didn't have
to shoot me, if you whatif you took that gun right there and
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you shot Raylan instead, and thenyou know, you know, he'd he'd
been making he'd be trying to makea deal the whole time as the door
was closing, and instead Clement soI'll just sort of accepts his fate and
then goes and smashes up his newroom. I thought that was that was
an interesting comparison, because now you'vegot Boyd who managed to engineer his way
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out of prison. Yeah, yeah, not not just to avoid getting himself
locked up, but managed to toto engineer his way out and uh and
and Clement couldn't even stop the doorfrom closing on him. So and it
has to rely on you know,toxic masculinity from Skinder to uh to free
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well told was right? Is theSkinner's of a fool? I mean,
don't you think what did you?Did you think that this was going to
go out? What did how didhe? How did he put it?
You didn't think of all of theways this could go wrong or something exactly
exactly and probably like him showing upbeing the terminator at your at your headquarters
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is like the at the top ofthe list of the ways it can go
wrong wrong. Yeah, even uhwhat's his name, Hedgeman, Like he
gave that gun to Skender and hecould like yeah, and it was gone.
I did notice that that that thatlittle play. But I you know,
look, I still don't forgive thewriters. Don't get a pass from
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me on this. There's no waythat the Albanians were that unprepared for an
incursion into their corners. Like tosuggest that somehow he just kind of blitz
attacks his way in there and killseveryone. Come on, there's no way.
They had plenty of time to trapand did anybody even shoot back?
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There was one shot from Toma,one gun and he missed. Yeah,
yeah, that was it. Thatwas it. Nobody else even cleared their
holsters. Yeah yeah. And itwasn't even like the Star Wars trooper,
like somebody fires and like completely missing, yeah, or its going down and
shoots out of the error or whatever. But the thing is they knew he
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was coming too, because you couldsee it on the video camera, and
so it's just it's so you canhear the shots and then you know,
yeah, I didn't. I didn'tlike it, No, sir, I
didn't. Yeah, well, comparedto the say, the ending, Oh,
I don't know, did you wantto go somewhere else? No,
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no, go ahead, I wasgonna say, And you compare that to
the ending and what like where wherehe gets it? Uh? You know
where where it is a showdown withRaylan and him, And that was very
well done. I really like that. I agree. I agree. They
have a they have a short conversation, he gets up to go get the
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beer, he makes a move thatlooks like he's going for a gun,
and he gets put down. It'snot easy, not a lot of naval
gazing, not a lot of youknow, oh, let's let's turn out
the lights and do this in thedark or whatever. It's just like it
just happens. Yeah, Raylan wasRaylan was ready to end at that guy
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was getting shot, no doubt aboutit. Yeah. Yeah, And that's
probably the highlight of the whole seriesdo or this whole season. I mean,
oh yeah, yeah, I thinkso. And I mean he you
know, and and and he's legitimatelysurprised. I mean, Mansell is legitimately
surprised that he got shot. Hedidn't. I mean, I think he
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bought into his own bullshit a littlebit. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
thinking he was invincible. Yeah,even though he goes there knowing full well
that it's going to end one wayor the other. I mean, he
says as much, you know,he's what does he say, it's been
it's been fun, you know,doing this with you or whatever. I
mean, he knows that it's over. At this point. There's there's only
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one of two ways that this ends. Yeah. Oh, let's talk about
Maureen and Norbert for a minute,because because Maureen gets a little moment to
shine here. The after after theyget the book off Clement, they go
and they roll up and arrest Maureenbecause her name's in the book. Taking
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payouts correlated to trials in which thedefendant was convicted on less than solid evidence.
So that's not great. And shehas this like series of moments that
she goes through and like in likethirty seconds, it's like every sort of
cop bad cop cliche sort of rolledinto one, and she goes through them
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all and that's not a minute.She starts with the ha, you've got
so you've got nothing, then,is what you're telling me. You've only
got that book, you've got nothingto corroborate it. And then it immediately
switches from that too, Well,I'm cleaner than you guys are. You
guys do more dirt out there everyday than I ever gets recorded in those
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books. And then she immediately switchesfrom that too, well, you do
what you have to do to keepthese streets clean. Yeah, it's like
I might be dirty, but atleast at least these people are locked up
or whatever. It's uh, it'squite the evolution in in thirty seconds.
Yeah. Well, and I forgotthe name of who is the black detective?
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It begins with a w I shootWendell. Wendell. Yeah. He
does make a good point, though, Uh, you know, you don't
hang two bodies on somebody who didn'tdo anything as far as you know,
that's yeah, that's just because he'sa drug addict, homeless guy. You
hang two bodies on him because youwanted a caller. Come on. Yeah,
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there's there's levels of there's levels ofmisconduct that I'm willing to accept in
my fictional police. And then there'syou know, beyond the pale, that's
that's downright criminal really to put somebodylike that, So there should be some
consequence for that. That doesn't reallyresolved itself in this episode, but it
doesn't. We don't see what happensto Marienne. We assume that she ends
(30:06):
up going to jail, but whoknows, because you know, look,
happy endings are certainly not a thingthat's guaranteed by Justified. We know that,
right, for God's sakes, Carolynends up in a robe and with
a robe and a gavel. IfI do all of these horrible things and
(30:27):
make all of these horrible arrangements andshow that I am completely amoral, maybe
just maybe I can get on thebench. And she did. She pushed
her that the other judge, likethe female like she totally threw her under
the bus, right, Yeah,that's what we had that whole conversation with
(30:48):
the Lieutenant governor where she's like,oh, if he wants to call on
any of his cronies or this person, he better not because they're all crooked
and corrupt, and I've got thedetails. So I'm gonna blackmail my way
right into this this judge's chair.You know what. I actually just thought
maybe the end that's what the that'sintentional, right, because that's the whole
(31:11):
thing about Detroit. Yeah, yeah, I think it is. I think
it's you know again, and andand it plays into eventually why Raylan retires,
right if we think about, youknow, what's going through Raylan's head
at this moment. He's like,you know, I almost agreed to,
you know, just lock this personup in a panic room and let them
(31:33):
die because I couldn't do do itthe right way. I couldn't get them
legally. Uh. And then theperson who actually came up with that idea
is now going to be a judgedeciding on whether people are guilty or in
a sent and how long they goto jail for and in the end rail
and it is killing him anyway,just like yeah, so it's like Okay,
(32:00):
so the criminal, the criminal,actually the crime boss, the Albanian
crime boss actually has more what moremercy than railan who says, Okay,
this guy needs to go dead.Yeah, your railing wasn't willing to wait
exactly. Toma has patients, Railinghas none. Yeah, it's just it's
(32:25):
just cruel to let him sit thereand starve. Let's shoot him in st
Yeah definitely. You put him ina position where he where you know he's
gonna have no choice, right,So yeah, yeah, so he dies
on Caroline's kitchen floor. Yeah,with four or five shots. I was
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gonna say, like, because thatwith that panic room must have had supplies
for a long time, right,that's what he was showing us. I
don't know about a long time.Like they showed like a shelf with some
snacks on it. I didn't getthe gist that that it was gonna be
that he was gonna be good fora long period of time. Plus,
(33:06):
if you're in a place like that, your number one concern is water,
not not not food at that point, Yeah, because you can you can
make it a couple of weeks withoutwithout food, or you know, with
the food that you had in there. You can, you can last for
a while on that, but butyou can't make it a couple of days
without water. So yeah, that'strue. I'm gonna be drinking your own
(33:30):
piss pretty soon. That was thepremise of that, Remember that Silicon Valley.
That's how that that their startup gotwent grew because they had that guy
who who was like live streaming andhe had to drink his own piss because
he was like stuck in the stuckLike I like that guy who had to
(33:53):
chop off his arm right right.Yeah, it was like that whole big
one hundred and forty hours dude orwhatever. Yeah. The only thing I
remember from Silicon Valley is the themiddle out encryption because they trying to talk
about how to jerk off as manydudes at the same time. Yeah,
(34:15):
that's right. That was a goodworld. If you haven't seen Silicon Valley
at go see Silica Valley. It'sa very very good show. It's might
judge. If you like office space, you'll like it. And uh yeah,
if you've ever worked tech, you'lllove it. Yeah beats but yeah,
if you ever worked in tech,you'll love it. Yeah, So
(34:37):
a one more the I like thatone that line, I'm a pesca pescatarian.
I only eat fish that eat otherfish. I love that. Wait
when was that? Where did thatcome from? That was the who's the
long haired guy? The the theventure capitalist. It was just like a
like it. They were trying tohe was going to a restaurant some like
(35:00):
dinner or something like that. Hewas talking about his allergies or uh,
you know, his food preference.I only eat fish that eat other fish
and I love it. Yeah,that's funny. Shark fin soup for this
guy. Oh and Sandy Stanton.Sandy Stanton, we she uh, she
(35:22):
was abducted by aliens and uh,we don't know what happened to her.
She just disappeared from the face ofthe earth. Yeah. Yeah, did
she get back on that plane?Last last scene helping rail and meet Clement
at the Radison Hotel bar, thenicest Radison in the fifty United States.
(35:45):
Yeah, well she still could haveprobably just you know, said okay,
I'm I'm out right, yeah,get to get on that plane, and
then you know, and Raylan takesoff from the airport. I don't know,
I don't know if Raylan wouldn't lether leave at that point because she's
required witness at that point, soI think you would let her just take
off for the Bombas Raylan's not agood cop, we know that, right,
(36:09):
we've we've we've talked about that.But but he's better than that,
I think. But he also waspretty certain he wasn't gonna get him get
a conviction with that guy anyway.So yeah, all right, well I
think that about covers the episode here, So let's uh, let's get to
(36:30):
our final segment. Are you goingto shoot him? To Raylan? I
was telling my friends this morning nowyesterday, coming in, if you don't
get out of town in twenty fourhours, I'm gonna shoot you one site.
B No, are you gonna shoothim? I'll get for you before
you even clear your whip. He'snot take my chances with the other you
get the chance shot him in thehopeful my side arms, I'm gonna shoot
(36:52):
to kill Are you going to shoothim? To Raylan? And Rayland shoot
somebody this episode after the whole seasonand actually the like the season that we're
in now season six, he hasn'tshot anybody yet either. Yeah, So
(37:14):
so that that streak of at leastten episodes, what is it? So
he does shoot what's his name Cleoor Cleo Clement and uh, and that's
it for the whole series too.Yeah, yeah, so so good on
(37:35):
him. He's three in the threeand the ten ten point range, so
yeah, yeah, Now he didn'tput one in the head, which might
like you did for that one.What's his name the basketball guy? Oh
yeah, I forgot that his namewas the U and the U and that
was it. Really and then obviouslyyou know Clement has the five people or
(38:00):
that he killed this episode, Yeah, the all the Albanians. Yeah,
we don't even know how many Albanianswe killed because we only saw it on
the surveillance footage. But yeah,yeah, and then there were other shots
that we heard and we were assumingthat people like he killed those people too
full turinator. Yeah, yeah heshould have done. I'll be back.
(38:21):
It's like, yeah, I know, he's like talking to that one guy
trying to go see Oh I mustsee Toma. Oh you can't see Tim.
Okay, I'll be back. Soit's a rather how would you describe
(38:42):
this? Uh, this episode definitelyis probably the best one of the series
of this season. I mean,but maybe we'll talk about that right now.
As far as like where we wouldrank it, I don't know.
I mean, this one it's notterrible, it's also not I thought it
was not great. I thought thatI thought that the last episode was better
(39:05):
than this one. I thought Episodeseven was better than this one was just
because it actually covered more of theshow and the plot of the show.
Right this this episode felt like itwas like, Okay, let's get rid
of the plot. Let's dispose ofthat because we've got important ship to get
to with Boyd Crowder. So solet's let's get rid of the plot.
And I just kind of do that, right Yeah, I don't know.
(39:31):
H So as a whole, Ikind of give the season math. It's
not a not terrible. I'm notgoing to go back and watch it again
anytime soon. Yeah, I thinkit's a I think it's you know,
on par with with season five.I think maybe slightly better than season five
(39:55):
because it's shorter than season five.I mean that when I say it,
like it's only eight episodes, it'sonly eight hours instead of you know,
being thirteen hours long, and thatthat actually makes a big difference. Yeah.
Yeah, nobody as objectionable as asRappapor either, so that that also
(40:19):
helps. I don't know it did. It did not feel like Justified,
though it did not feel like Justified, and quiet Raylan is not my favorite
thing. I definitely like more talkativeRaylan. Uh, storyteller Raylan, not
quiet, brooding in the background,batman asque Raylan. Yeah. Yeah,
(40:44):
yeah, I think that's a that'sa fair assessment. I don't really have
anything other than to add, otherthan it would be uh. I would
definitely be interested in seeing a boydRaylan like re whatever Raylan trying to capture.
Yeah. Yeah, i'd be downfor that. I think really good
(41:05):
as a movie. I think probablya little bit less good as a show.
But if it brings back all ofour old friends, then maybe maybe
it's worth it as a show.So yeah, except for the except for
his kid, right right, yes, yes, except for Willa. Yeah
No, I like i'd be downif we could get If we get Tim
back, that'd be great. Ihave a suspicion we're not going to see
(41:29):
Art in any new episodes Justified justnot not the character's fault. But I
think I think Nick Sercy might havemight have put himself in a position where
he's uncastable. That's because Holly wasjust a bunch of clicks. Well yeah,
(41:52):
yeah, also probably part of thepart of the story. But we
also have the writers strike and theactors strike to contend with here. I
actually worry a little bit that thatcould kill this before it ever gets off
the ground, just because it's goingto be probably another few months at least
(42:12):
of the strike before they can evenstart to think about what the projects are
going to be that they're going tobe working on again. And we could
be, you know, we couldbe in twenty twenty six or twenty twenty
seven before they could even get somethinglike this off the ground. So,
you know, it's an interesting thingbecause I remember that there was a writer
strike. It must have been likewhat ten years ago, two thousand and
(42:36):
nine, two thousand and eight,somewhere in that vicinity. I think,
Yeah, it seemed like it wasa much bigger deal back then, because
like, I don't think people reallyknow that the that the writer there's a
writer strike going on. Yeah.There was a lot more scheduled sort of
programming back then, right, Yeah, and so you you would immediately notice
that, hey, my episode ofLost isn't on tonight or whatever, and
it's because there's a writer strike goingon. Yeah, But now the way
(43:00):
that they do TV shows, youknow, they they you know, film
them all and then release them allat once, and it's it's not like
sort of an ongoing production sort ofthing. Like if you're watching an episode
of a TV show, the likelihoodis very very high that that TV show
has been in the can, thatentire season has been in the can for
a while. Like we know watchingthe episodes of Justified this year that they
(43:22):
were all filmed last summer and soso you you think about that, and
so some of the content there hasn'tbeen a drop off in the content that's
available yet, but now we're gettingto the point where they're starting to they're
starting to drop off the content that'savailable. You know, Amazon's still releasing
(43:43):
they have the Wheel of Time,and they're gonna have the Tolkien The Lord
of the Rings series that they're goingto release because those have all been filmed
and are in the can already andthey can release them. But like new
seasons of TV shows, it's nothappening right now. So it'll be it'll
(44:04):
be this fall this winter that youreally start to see it, and uh,
and on the network schedule especially,you're going to see a lot of
game shows and a lot of realityTV. Yeah. Well, I can't
say i've ever I've never really watchedany of the reality shows. Really.
I can't think of any. Survivorhas been pretty much all I've ever watched
(44:27):
as far as reality goes is thatshow still on. It is still on,
and it's it will be back inSeptember. So okay, I've watched
I've watched every single episode of Survivorwithin ten days of it airing, since
the first episode of the first season, so for like twenty years, since
(44:52):
two thousand or whatever it was.Yeah, it's twenty three years. I've
watched that show every episode as it'saired. Attack when I got the Survivor,
I don't even watch, like,I don't even watch shows generally as
they until they're are already finished anddone. Like that's what I happened in
(45:14):
scripted series now, Yeah, yeah, because I don't really watch I don't
watch reality shows, so it's mostlythey're scripted stuff. Did you see they're
making a new Highlander? Oh?Really? Yeah? A movie or a
TV show? A movie? Ohyeah, it's gonna be who's direct to
get Tim Burton? Wait, holdon here, No it's not John John
(45:45):
Who's that other one we always talkabout the weird director. What's his name?
O Wes Anderson, Anderson's yeah,Wes Anderson's Highlander. Yeah, oh,
Henry cavil and Chats to hell Ski. Yeah, so it's gonna be
a John Wick director. Okay,and yeah, okay, yeah, all
(46:07):
right, all right, so Idon't hate I don't hate Chats to hell
Sky as the All right, that'sinteresting. Yeah. Yeah, Henry cavill
Man. I guess after he gotscrewed over with the that Witcher series,
which is supposed to be pretty good. Yeah, you know, the good
to see that he's back in thesaddle. I guess he got screwed over
with the Superman deal too. Yeahoh yeah, yeah yeah. All right,
(46:32):
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Rolling down to pull the blood andthe speed of bowl covid like a tail
on night Tornado, ring of Promisol, kids with one hand on the grass,
pie he ever on wheel, doubleriding, shot gun singing. Boy,
(00:29):
Let's make a deal. This isGroundless a Justified podcast. That's the
podcast where you watch every episode ofJustified and then come on here and talk
about it. I'm Chris, thatman is Randy. You know, I'm
not gonna say that this series wasthe worst out of all of the seventh
(00:50):
or yeah, seventh seasons. I'mJustified. Yeah, I can't say that,
but maybe we'll talk about that later. Boy oh boy, I will
say, Hey, you know itis it is an interesting sort of question
to pose to yourself as you're watchingthis, like, oh, is season
five worse than this one? Oris this one it's you know, worse
(01:11):
than season five? And the answerI came up with is that it's different.
It's different than season five. It'snot necessarily better or worse, but
but it's close. So yeah,we'll talk about it. We'll talk about
that, we'll talk about how thisseats in with the other seasons have Justified,
uh yeah, and then we'll talkabout that last ten minutes and what
(01:34):
that might mean and how how wefelt about that. I don't know.
I don't know. Do we wantto talk about that first? I feel
like maybe we want to talk aboutthat first. Okay, let's talk about
that first, all right. Soso we get the resolution of the story,
and we'll talk about how we getthere and the various things that happens.
But but the last ten minutes weget Raylan essentially, you know,
(01:57):
retires it gets off the chief jobin Miami. He declines and quits.
We see Willah and Winona and Uand then will and Raylan are out on
there out on what's going to bethe rest of Raylan's life, right which
is retired on a boat, ona seized boat that he borrowed from the
(02:19):
Marshall Service, with Willa just chillingout there, and the phone goes off,
and we see a little flashed Kentuckyand one boyd Crowder walking through prison
with his with his bible, andessentially what happens is he's in cahoots with
(02:43):
a prison guard, female prison guardwho's in love with him and conspires to
escape. He's he's in a transportto go to a hospital to have some
sort of diagnosis done. He's beenplaying possum of some sort or maybe he
really is sick. Who knows,you know what the truth is there?
Uh and uh and you know there'sa little you know scene where he makes
(03:08):
a racket in the back of thetransport and then they managed to escape together,
which which is wild, right,I mean, there's two prison guards
driving this transport. And there's afew things that kind of stuck out to
me about this, but but thelong and short of it is that Boyd
Crowder escapes from from prison with thehelp of a prison guard who, by
(03:31):
the way, that woman that thatwoman who played the prison guard happens to
be married to Dave Andren, who'sthe show runner for Justified City Prime evil
lovely woman by the way, alsobut yeah married, she had the like
she took off the uniform. Ohyeah, like they say goodbye to the
easy moment exactly, like whoa,you're we're hiding those out of that prison
(03:55):
guard outfit. So yeah, voidsvoid's on the loose, we think,
right, I mean we were.There's a little bit of a suggestion that
maybe it's Raylan's imagination because it flashesback to him, and he's got his
eyes closed and he might have beendozing off a little bit seeing that,
(04:16):
you know play out. But butwe do get the confirmation from the cell
phone and the phone ringing from theKentucky Marshall's office calling Raylan to to help.
So so I knew that there wassomething that was going to happen because
the episode was so short, thecontent of the episode was so short,
(04:38):
I was like, well, itcan't be over. Yeah, there's got
to be more to this, andI was trying to figure out what that
was going to be, and uh, and then we got this. So
what did you think? What didyou think when when you saw all that?
It's a great thing for fan serviceas far as the you know,
because we really there was nothing reallyreferring to uh, you know, rail
(05:00):
as time in Kentucky at all thiswhole this whole season. So that was
fun, it was entertaining. Ithink it's it's not really uh, I
would consider it like an extended Easteregg really, yeah, you know,
like it's because it's kind of likenot that, it's more like an add
on really the way I see it. So, so it was fun and
(05:25):
everything else, and it it kindof gives you the whole uh oh,
you know, it opens up fora season two possibly, but I don't
know. I considering the tone ofof of the whole uh C Primeval season,
almost I wouldn't say it's out ofplace, but yeah, I wouldn't
say it's uh it connects as closelyto this season as uh you would have
(05:51):
hoped or would have hoped. Yeah, so yeah, I was. I
was. I mean I obviously,of course, the moment that Kentucky the
words Kentucky flashed on the screen andyou saw a prison uniform with a Bible
in his hand, I'm like,oh shit, it's boyd right, And
I mean I knew that that waswhat was going to happen, And so
(06:15):
I was excited because you know,we saw our old friends again. It's
very exciting and like you said,fan service, it's cool. It's kind
of do that. And then Iwas immediately annoyed. And I was immediately
annoyed for two reasons, right,So the first reason that I was immediately
annoyed was that I was like,Okay, those ten minutes were really cool,
(06:39):
and it's like the producers decided tosay, hey, we could have
made this show, but we decidedto make seven and a half episodes of
that other show instead. How doyou like that? Fans? It's sort
of like, you know, there'sa there's a we talked about cinema sins
on this podcast before, and theydo the everything wrong with and what they
(07:02):
do, and when somebody does somethinglike this, they're always like, oh,
the movie decided to show us fiveminutes of an inarguably better movie that
we could have seen instead, Andthat's sort of what it feels like.
It's like, Oh, here's tenminutes of what would have been a much
better TV show or movie for thatmatter, for you to watch. Yeah,
(07:27):
so that's the first thing that kindof annoyed me. But the second
thing that annoyed me is that Ididn't realize quite how passionately I was going
to feel about altering the ending toJustified Right, because oh, yeah,
the ending felt so perfect and wehaven't even gotten to that on the podcast
yet, so we won't talk toomuch about it. But but the ending,
(07:50):
and we've talked about we talked aboutit on the post credit podcast when
they had us on that the endingof the show just felt so perfect that
that now doing this sort of almostfeels like you're betraying that ending that the
show had. And that's that's thatalso annoyed me a little bit when I
(08:11):
was thinking about it. Now allof that said, am I down for
a you know what I'd like tosee the version of this that I'd like
to see, which is essentially atwo hour fugitive style movie where Raylan is
chasing Boyd and his prison prison guardgirlfriend. Yeah, yeah, I do
want to see that. Would youhave to search every hen house out house
(08:35):
exactly fifty mile radius? Yeah,I mean I want the Fugitive three with
Boyd and Raylan. That's the thing, not too much to ask here.
It would be US Marshals, really, because it was that one with when
he was trying to capture Wesley's right. Yeah, sorry, I just like,
I call that the Fugitive two,but it's actually called Us Marshalls.
(08:58):
You're right, it is. Yeah, it's been it's been the same movie
again. Yeah, yeah, andso yeah, so that's that's what I
want, and that's that's what Ihope they can give us here. I
think what we're gonna end up withis probably another eight eight episodes or so.
And I worry a little bit aboutthat. I worry a little bit
about another eight episodes with that kindof self contained story. I wonder how
(09:20):
good that's going to be. Butwith Boyd, with Boyd, Yeah,
that's what I suspect is going tohappen. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
it's Uh, I don't know.I think you're right. I mean,
just the way it did end,Uh, it was, it was.
It had a lot of finality toit. But you know, just like
the silence of the labs, theylittle teaser, Yeah, meeting an old
(09:43):
friend for dinner. Yeah, Iwondered why now? Right? Was part
of part of my analysis too.As I was watching this, I was
like, Okay, we're we're youknow whatever, fifteen years removed? Why
break out now of all time times? Why you know right when Raylan retires?
Why does it have to be then? Why wasn't it sooner? Why
(10:05):
isn't it later? What is itthat's driving you breaking out of jail now?
Yea? And I was starting tobecause you know, we what do
we know about Boyd? We knowthat Boyd's not going to do something like
this without a plan in place.He knows he's going to need money,
and so he's got to have someway to get money. He's got to
have some something cooked up for himto get money. He's not just going
(10:26):
to go to Mexico and live likea pauper. So because all the Mexicans
there, right exactly. I've beento Mexico, boy and I don't think
you'd like it very much. It'sfull of Mexicans. Yeah, So so
we'll see, we'll see kind ofwhat what ends up happening there. But
but I was a little puzzled bya Boyd's motivent. In my own head,
(10:50):
I sort of made up this likebackstory of you know, Boyd,
for whatever reason, they're able todo a genetic like a twenty three in
me style test in the zon orwhatever. He's able to do that,
and uh, you know, oh, Ava's kid had one in school they
did as an activity, and andyou know, BOYD found out that there's
(11:13):
this random kid of his that he'srelated to somewhere that goes by a different
name or whatever because of a twentythree and me DNA test or something that's
that's sort of and then he's like, Okay, now I've got to get
out of prison and go find thatand go find my kid. Yeah,
yeah, that was sort of thestory I made up in mind. That
would actually be an interesting thing.You just have to wonder how he would
(11:35):
have gotten access to that, yeah, you know, yeah, and you
wonder, you know, like itdoes it doesn't. It's not that far
of a stretch for me to assumethat, you know, Hey, look,
they would want prisoners to do thatso that they can have the DNA
records and everything. Like, Okay, I mean that actually makes a little
(11:56):
bit of sense when you think aboutit. So let's have all the prisoners
do it. Prisoners might you know, find it fun, you know,
they can you know whatever. I'mguessing there's a few of them who don't
know their dads, so they wouldwould be able to maybe find their dad's
Not really that's probably actually that's Imean, there's certainly an element of that,
(12:22):
right, So you could have thewhole government conspiracy about pre crime at
this point by in here. Yeah, you know what buy a note here
about like that whole sequence was whenLuise Gooseman shows up as prison guards and
(12:43):
he's like, oh, you're notgoing to give me an in trouble.
I'm just okay, Well you wouldn'tbe here Luis Guzman if something important wasn't
going to happen. Well, theother thing was rever he wasn't out of
sight. Also whatever, So justshowing up. I love it. Yeah,
(13:07):
oh yeah, because yeah, youlike the character or the accuracy show
up as multiple characters the same universe, in the same universe. It's my
favorite thing. Yeah yeah, likethe guy who played Ray Cruise and then
the guy who played the he playedthe bartender, and uh and in pulp
fiction too, Yeah yeah, soI yeah, so I thought that was
(13:28):
like, okay, there's nothing happening, but also it was a bit of
a red flag when you saw LouisGuzman. Yeah yeah, yeah, but
also you know, like it,like the episode basically you just had a
thirty minute episode to resolve the wholeyou know, Raylan and how of Clement
Mancell end up end up in thelike he basically and the way the series
(13:54):
started with what's his name in theat the Miami roofed up Tommy Bucks Tommy
Bucks yep, yep, essentially thesame thing, and you know, interestingly
similar to kind of the way theending plays out in the book. Oh
yeah, and similar to Ray cruisea story, right, Ray Crews tells
a story about how he had abottle opener and he shot him. Anyway,
(14:16):
in this case, we know that. I mean, it's it's obviously
a clean shoot from from Raylan standpoint, It's there's no question about it.
Right. He he had a guntucked into his belt, he broke into
violently broke into someone's house in themiddle of the night. That's as clean
of a shooting as there's ever goingto be, even if he only had
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a cassette tape in his hand.After having committed multiple murders. Right,
well, he went like tea ortwo of the in that police station,
the Albis. Yeah, so wewere talking about like, wait, when
did when did Clement man self becomethe terminator? Because you're absolutely right,
I want to talk about that fora minute, right, because he does.
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He he gets out of the roombecause Skender's an idiot. Right,
So Skender, you know, decideshe wants to be a man, goes
to where goes to where Clement islocked up in the panic room, lets
him out Skender then I'm Clement thenbeats him to death, savagely beats Skender
to death. Then he goes tothe Venus, the headquarters of the Albanian
(15:24):
mob on that side of the river, and goes full on t T one
thousand. Yeah, just murders everyonein the venus. And it really should
have murdered that old guy too,you know, that would have been Yeah,
yeah, absolutely would have been,like for him to walk around behind
him and then shoot him on theway out or something. Yeah, I
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agree, I agree entirely. Itwas very much out of character for him
not to kill him. But yeah, so so Skender or so Clement murders
all of the Albanians in full onterminator style, and then and then he
and Raylan have their little standoff andyeah, you know, and you mentioned
you mentioned this thirty minute episode,which essentially it was before we got the
(16:08):
PostScript, and yet they still hadtime. Again my issue with the show,
the thirty minute episode. You know, you've only got eight of these
episodes, but yet you found timefor three episodes worth a willa, right,
You've only got eight episodes, andyet you found time for them to
(16:29):
have this like weird ass scene withCarolyn in the bathtub and Raylan not in
the bathtub, like giving her likea sponge bath or whatever. She's like,
oh, don't stop, don't stop, Like, okay, very believable.
It's so weird, it's so awkward. It was like, I haven't
libeled as an awkward sponge bath,right, And yeah, and I understand
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that that what the writers and theproducers were trying to show is that Raylan's
conflicted about this this and to leaveClement in the panic room and abandoned him
there to die of whatever dehydration orexhaustion or suffocation or whatever. Right.
Yeah, But but we don't needwe don't need that, right, we
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know that Raylan's conflicted by this decision. We don't we don't need to see
him giving Carol in a sponge bathto understand that. And do you think
that Carola they're trying to make becauseI don't think she has How do I
say this while Kenny in trouble?Uh, I don't think she's Like,
she's not somebody who I would pictureas uh as sexual, you know,
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like I don't there's no my inmy opinion, I don't have any attraction
to her and I don't see herthat way. I think again, I
think that it's how she chose toplay the character right, And and that's
fine. I don't think I don'tthink Jane Ellis is particularly unattractive. I
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don't think that she's you know,non sexual in any way and other stuff
that I've seen her, and Ithink she's just sort of playing this character
Carolyn in a very sort of straightway. And it doesn't convey It doesn't
convey to the chemistry between between Carolynand Raylan. It doesn't convey to kind
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of her seductiveness. It's just notthere. There just isn't any She doesn't
strike me as seductive at all.And uh, and so you know,
we've we've talked about this from thebeginning of this lack of chemistry between Raylan
and Carolyn, and I just wonder, you know where where that came from,
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because I think it's the actors.I don't think it's necessarily their appearances
or anything like that. It's justthe way that they've chosen to play the
characters, or maybe a lack ofchemistry between the actors themselves that I think
it's left. Yeah, yeah,you know what, maybe I will just
chuck it up to lack of chemistrythen, I mean, yeah, actually,
I think that's what we had talkedabout before, like, yeah,
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I don't know, I think ormaybe she's just miscast. It could be
it could be. I mean,I mean that could that could be the
case too. I I don't know. It's it's hard, right, It's
yeah, yeah, it's hard.It's hard because I you know, we
don't want to make this about theactress necessarily or her appearance by any stretch
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of imagination. It's really about thecharacter. And and I don't know,
I don't I just I thought itwas poorly done, kind of across the
board the way that that Carolyn washandled. Carolyn in the Hook is an
interesting character. Carolyn in the showis a far less interesting character. Yeah,
that's one is going to ask you, like, how like did you
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have you had obviously if you hadread the book, then you probably had
a visualization of the way, youknow, like you an idea of what
she would be like as far asmaybe in the series, how much different
how much different compared to the bookwould you say she is? I would
actually go so far as to saynot all that different. Right In the
book, there's more chemistry between Carolynand Ray Cruz, which, by the
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way, that oh yeah, that'swhat calls Ray and the book, which
is why she calls Raylan Ray andthe show. It's the whole thing.
There's more chemistry for sure in thebook between between Ray and Carolyn. But
I would say that it's written.I would say it's not a significant departure
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from the way that it's written.Right. She's she's meant to be older,
a little bit older, which whichis fine because Ray is and Raylan
is in the show. That's theidea. And uh, she's not written
as completely as sort of hostile tothe idea of Sax, which is sort
of what you feel like when whenyou're when you're interacting with Carolyn in the
(21:12):
show, like she's just openly hostileto anything not furthering her own interests.
Is sort of how it feels.But I think that's a true Again,
I think that's a choice of howyou play that character. Yeah, but
would you think of uh Whynona uhWanona is great? I mean she looks
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great. Of course, she lookedexactly the same. She hasn't aged a
day. Basically. I thought thatthe I thought it was clever to have
have Willa rolling over her grass aftergetting her learners for men. I think
that's wonderful. Oh man, SoWilla is is kind of a train wreck
(21:56):
really, you know, like Idon't know, she's h you know,
like we had talked before, she'sa teenager and everything else, but she's
I don't know what she's going tobe like when she's like older. But
I have my theories. I havea thought, I have a feeling.
I know what Willow is going tobe like when she's older. She will
(22:18):
be sitting in mud at burning Man, right, trying to find herself,
trying to find herself. That's that'swhat I feel about Willow. When she
gets older, I think, Yeah, a little bit of a hippie,
a little bit of a weirdo.Yeah yeah, puts still stuck in the
mud. It's still stuck in themud, yeah, sheltering in place.
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So so yeah, let's see whoelse do we have here. We talked
about Clement, you know, wetalked about We've talked in the past about
how Clement Mansell is no boyd Crowderright and Crowder void Crowder or Crowder and
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and we get a direct contrast inthis episode, right, So you've got
in the in the beginning of theepisode, Clement is being locked in the
in the panic room, and heimmediately occurs to him what's going on.
He knows what's going to happen there, right, Yeah, but yet he
allows himself to get locked in thatroom without even trying to talk his way
(23:23):
out, right, Like Boyd wouldnever have allowed that to happen. There
would have been there would have beenfifteen lines of conversation that Boyd would have
started, like, oh, well, I have this information on this thing,
or you know, what if wedid this and then you didn't have
to shoot me, if you whatif you took that gun right there and
(23:44):
you shot Raylan instead, and thenyou know, you know, he'd he'd
been making he'd be trying to makea deal the whole time as the door
was closing, and instead Clement soI'll just sort of accepts his fate and
then goes and smashes up his newroom. I thought that was that was
an interesting comparison, because now you'vegot Boyd who managed to engineer his way
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out of prison. Yeah, yeah, not not just to avoid getting himself
locked up, but managed to toto engineer his way out and uh and
and Clement couldn't even stop the doorfrom closing on him. So and it
has to rely on you know,toxic masculinity from Skinder to uh to free
(24:30):
well told was right? Is theSkinner's of a fool? I mean,
don't you think what did you?Did you think that this was going to
go out? What did how didhe? How did he put it?
You didn't think of all of theways this could go wrong or something exactly
exactly and probably like him showing upbeing the terminator at your at your headquarters
(24:55):
is like the at the top ofthe list of the ways it can go
wrong wrong. Yeah, even uhwhat's his name, Hedgeman, Like he
gave that gun to Skender and hecould like yeah, and it was gone.
I did notice that that that thatlittle play. But I you know,
look, I still don't forgive thewriters. Don't get a pass from
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me on this. There's no waythat the Albanians were that unprepared for an
incursion into their corners. Like tosuggest that somehow he just kind of blitz
attacks his way in there and killseveryone. Come on, there's no way.
They had plenty of time to trapand did anybody even shoot back?
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There was one shot from Toma,one gun and he missed. Yeah,
yeah, that was it. Thatwas it. Nobody else even cleared their
holsters. Yeah yeah. And itwasn't even like the Star Wars trooper,
like somebody fires and like completely missing, yeah, or its going down and
shoots out of the error or whatever. But the thing is they knew he
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was coming too, because you couldsee it on the video camera, and
so it's just it's so you canhear the shots and then you know,
yeah, I didn't. I didn'tlike it, No, sir, I
didn't. Yeah, well, comparedto the say, the ending, Oh,
I don't know, did you wantto go somewhere else? No,
(26:27):
no, go ahead, I wasgonna say, And you compare that to
the ending and what like where wherehe gets it? Uh? You know
where where it is a showdown withRaylan and him, And that was very
well done. I really like that. I agree. I agree. They
have a they have a short conversation, he gets up to go get the
(26:48):
beer, he makes a move thatlooks like he's going for a gun,
and he gets put down. It'snot easy, not a lot of naval
gazing, not a lot of youknow, oh, let's let's turn out
the lights and do this in thedark or whatever. It's just like it
just happens. Yeah, Raylan wasRaylan was ready to end at that guy
(27:08):
was getting shot, no doubt aboutit. Yeah. Yeah, And that's
probably the highlight of the whole seriesdo or this whole season. I mean,
oh yeah, yeah, I thinkso. And I mean he you
know, and and and he's legitimatelysurprised. I mean, Mansell is legitimately
surprised that he got shot. Hedidn't. I mean, I think he
(27:30):
bought into his own bullshit a littlebit. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
thinking he was invincible. Yeah,even though he goes there knowing full well
that it's going to end one wayor the other. I mean, he
says as much, you know,he's what does he say, it's been
it's been fun, you know,doing this with you or whatever. I
mean, he knows that it's over. At this point. There's there's only
(27:51):
one of two ways that this ends. Yeah. Oh, let's talk about
Maureen and Norbert for a minute,because because Maureen gets a little moment to
shine here. The after after theyget the book off Clement, they go
and they roll up and arrest Maureenbecause her name's in the book. Taking
(28:14):
payouts correlated to trials in which thedefendant was convicted on less than solid evidence.
So that's not great. And shehas this like series of moments that
she goes through and like in likethirty seconds, it's like every sort of
cop bad cop cliche sort of rolledinto one, and she goes through them
(28:37):
all and that's not a minute.She starts with the ha, you've got
so you've got nothing, then,is what you're telling me. You've only
got that book, you've got nothingto corroborate it. And then it immediately
switches from that too, Well,I'm cleaner than you guys are. You
guys do more dirt out there everyday than I ever gets recorded in those
(28:57):
books. And then she immediately switchesfrom that too, well, you do
what you have to do to keepthese streets clean. Yeah, it's like
I might be dirty, but atleast at least these people are locked up
or whatever. It's uh, it'squite the evolution in in thirty seconds.
Yeah. Well, and I forgotthe name of who is the black detective?
(29:22):
It begins with a w I shootWendell. Wendell. Yeah. He
does make a good point, though, Uh, you know, you don't
hang two bodies on somebody who didn'tdo anything as far as you know,
that's yeah, that's just because he'sa drug addict, homeless guy. You
hang two bodies on him because youwanted a caller. Come on. Yeah,
(29:42):
there's there's levels of there's levels ofmisconduct that I'm willing to accept in
my fictional police. And then there'syou know, beyond the pale, that's
that's downright criminal really to put somebodylike that, So there should be some
consequence for that. That doesn't reallyresolved itself in this episode, but it
doesn't. We don't see what happensto Marienne. We assume that she ends
(30:06):
up going to jail, but whoknows, because you know, look,
happy endings are certainly not a thingthat's guaranteed by Justified. We know that,
right, for God's sakes, Carolynends up in a robe and with
a robe and a gavel. IfI do all of these horrible things and
(30:27):
make all of these horrible arrangements andshow that I am completely amoral, maybe
just maybe I can get on thebench. And she did. She pushed
her that the other judge, likethe female like she totally threw her under
the bus, right, Yeah,that's what we had that whole conversation with
(30:48):
the Lieutenant governor where she's like,oh, if he wants to call on
any of his cronies or this person, he better not because they're all crooked
and corrupt, and I've got thedetails. So I'm gonna blackmail my way
right into this this judge's chair.You know what. I actually just thought
maybe the end that's what the that'sintentional, right, because that's the whole
(31:11):
thing about Detroit. Yeah, yeah, I think it is. I think
it's you know again, and andand it plays into eventually why Raylan retires,
right if we think about, youknow, what's going through Raylan's head
at this moment. He's like,you know, I almost agreed to,
you know, just lock this personup in a panic room and let them
(31:33):
die because I couldn't do do itthe right way. I couldn't get them
legally. Uh. And then theperson who actually came up with that idea
is now going to be a judgedeciding on whether people are guilty or in
a sent and how long they goto jail for and in the end rail
and it is killing him anyway,just like yeah, so it's like Okay,
(32:00):
so the criminal, the criminal,actually the crime boss, the Albanian
crime boss actually has more what moremercy than railan who says, Okay,
this guy needs to go dead.Yeah, your railing wasn't willing to wait
exactly. Toma has patients, Railinghas none. Yeah, it's just it's
(32:25):
just cruel to let him sit thereand starve. Let's shoot him in st
Yeah definitely. You put him ina position where he where you know he's
gonna have no choice, right,So yeah, yeah, so he dies
on Caroline's kitchen floor. Yeah,with four or five shots. I was
(32:46):
gonna say, like, because thatwith that panic room must have had supplies
for a long time, right,that's what he was showing us. I
don't know about a long time.Like they showed like a shelf with some
snacks on it. I didn't getthe gist that that it was gonna be
that he was gonna be good fora long period of time. Plus,
(33:06):
if you're in a place like that, your number one concern is water,
not not not food at that point, Yeah, because you can you can
make it a couple of weeks withoutwithout food, or you know, with
the food that you had in there. You can, you can last for
a while on that, but butyou can't make it a couple of days
without water. So yeah, that'strue. I'm gonna be drinking your own
(33:30):
piss pretty soon. That was thepremise of that, Remember that Silicon Valley.
That's how that that their startup gotwent grew because they had that guy
who who was like live streaming andhe had to drink his own piss because
he was like stuck in the stuckLike I like that guy who had to
(33:53):
chop off his arm right right.Yeah, it was like that whole big
one hundred and forty hours dude orwhatever. Yeah. The only thing I
remember from Silicon Valley is the themiddle out encryption because they trying to talk
about how to jerk off as manydudes at the same time. Yeah,
(34:15):
that's right. That was a goodworld. If you haven't seen Silicon Valley
at go see Silica Valley. It'sa very very good show. It's might
judge. If you like office space, you'll like it. And uh yeah,
if you've ever worked tech, you'lllove it. Yeah beats but yeah,
if you ever worked in tech,you'll love it. Yeah, So
(34:37):
a one more the I like thatone that line, I'm a pesca pescatarian.
I only eat fish that eat otherfish. I love that. Wait
when was that? Where did thatcome from? That was the who's the
long haired guy? The the theventure capitalist. It was just like a
like it. They were trying tohe was going to a restaurant some like
(35:00):
dinner or something like that. Hewas talking about his allergies or uh,
you know, his food preference.I only eat fish that eat other fish
and I love it. Yeah,that's funny. Shark fin soup for this
guy. Oh and Sandy Stanton.Sandy Stanton, we she uh, she
(35:22):
was abducted by aliens and uh,we don't know what happened to her.
She just disappeared from the face ofthe earth. Yeah. Yeah, did
she get back on that plane?Last last scene helping rail and meet Clement
at the Radison Hotel bar, thenicest Radison in the fifty United States.
(35:45):
Yeah, well she still could haveprobably just you know, said okay,
I'm I'm out right, yeah,get to get on that plane, and
then you know, and Raylan takesoff from the airport. I don't know,
I don't know if Raylan wouldn't lether leave at that point because she's
required witness at that point, soI think you would let her just take
off for the Bombas Raylan's not agood cop, we know that, right,
(36:09):
we've we've we've talked about that.But but he's better than that,
I think. But he also waspretty certain he wasn't gonna get him get
a conviction with that guy anyway.So yeah, all right, well I
think that about covers the episode here, So let's uh, let's get to
(36:30):
our final segment. Are you goingto shoot him? To Raylan? I
was telling my friends this morning nowyesterday, coming in, if you don't
get out of town in twenty fourhours, I'm gonna shoot you one site.
B No, are you gonna shoothim? I'll get for you before
you even clear your whip. He'snot take my chances with the other you
get the chance shot him in thehopeful my side arms, I'm gonna shoot
(36:52):
to kill Are you going to shoothim? To Raylan? And Rayland shoot
somebody this episode after the whole seasonand actually the like the season that we're
in now season six, he hasn'tshot anybody yet either. Yeah, So
(37:14):
so that that streak of at leastten episodes, what is it? So
he does shoot what's his name Cleoor Cleo Clement and uh, and that's
it for the whole series too.Yeah, yeah, so so good on
(37:35):
him. He's three in the threeand the ten ten point range, so
yeah, yeah, Now he didn'tput one in the head, which might
like you did for that one.What's his name the basketball guy? Oh
yeah, I forgot that his namewas the U and the U and that
was it. Really and then obviouslyyou know Clement has the five people or
(38:00):
that he killed this episode, Yeah, the all the Albanians. Yeah,
we don't even know how many Albanianswe killed because we only saw it on
the surveillance footage. But yeah,yeah, and then there were other shots
that we heard and we were assumingthat people like he killed those people too
full turinator. Yeah, yeah heshould have done. I'll be back.
(38:21):
It's like, yeah, I know, he's like talking to that one guy
trying to go see Oh I mustsee Toma. Oh you can't see Tim.
Okay, I'll be back. Soit's a rather how would you describe
(38:42):
this? Uh, this episode definitelyis probably the best one of the series
of this season. I mean,but maybe we'll talk about that right now.
As far as like where we wouldrank it, I don't know.
I mean, this one it's notterrible, it's also not I thought it
was not great. I thought thatI thought that the last episode was better
(39:05):
than this one. I thought Episodeseven was better than this one was just
because it actually covered more of theshow and the plot of the show.
Right this this episode felt like itwas like, Okay, let's get rid
of the plot. Let's dispose ofthat because we've got important ship to get
to with Boyd Crowder. So solet's let's get rid of the plot.
And I just kind of do that, right Yeah, I don't know.
(39:31):
H So as a whole, Ikind of give the season math. It's
not a not terrible. I'm notgoing to go back and watch it again
anytime soon. Yeah, I thinkit's a I think it's you know,
on par with with season five.I think maybe slightly better than season five
(39:55):
because it's shorter than season five.I mean that when I say it,
like it's only eight episodes, it'sonly eight hours instead of you know,
being thirteen hours long, and thatthat actually makes a big difference. Yeah.
Yeah, nobody as objectionable as asRappapor either, so that that also
(40:19):
helps. I don't know it did. It did not feel like Justified,
though it did not feel like Justified, and quiet Raylan is not my favorite
thing. I definitely like more talkativeRaylan. Uh, storyteller Raylan, not
quiet, brooding in the background,batman asque Raylan. Yeah. Yeah,
(40:44):
yeah, I think that's a that'sa fair assessment. I don't really have
anything other than to add, otherthan it would be uh. I would
definitely be interested in seeing a boydRaylan like re whatever Raylan trying to capture.
Yeah. Yeah, i'd be downfor that. I think really good
(41:05):
as a movie. I think probablya little bit less good as a show.
But if it brings back all ofour old friends, then maybe maybe
it's worth it as a show.So yeah, except for the except for
his kid, right right, yes, yes, except for Willa. Yeah
No, I like i'd be downif we could get If we get Tim
back, that'd be great. Ihave a suspicion we're not going to see
(41:29):
Art in any new episodes Justified justnot not the character's fault. But I
think I think Nick Sercy might havemight have put himself in a position where
he's uncastable. That's because Holly wasjust a bunch of clicks. Well yeah,
(41:52):
yeah, also probably part of thepart of the story. But we
also have the writers strike and theactors strike to contend with here. I
actually worry a little bit that thatcould kill this before it ever gets off
the ground, just because it's goingto be probably another few months at least
(42:12):
of the strike before they can evenstart to think about what the projects are
going to be that they're going tobe working on again. And we could
be, you know, we couldbe in twenty twenty six or twenty twenty
seven before they could even get somethinglike this off the ground. So,
you know, it's an interesting thingbecause I remember that there was a writer
strike. It must have been likewhat ten years ago, two thousand and
(42:36):
nine, two thousand and eight,somewhere in that vicinity. I think,
Yeah, it seemed like it wasa much bigger deal back then, because
like, I don't think people reallyknow that the that the writer there's a
writer strike going on. Yeah.There was a lot more scheduled sort of
programming back then, right, Yeah, and so you you would immediately notice
that, hey, my episode ofLost isn't on tonight or whatever, and
it's because there's a writer strike goingon. Yeah, But now the way
(43:00):
that they do TV shows, youknow, they they you know, film
them all and then release them allat once, and it's it's not like
sort of an ongoing production sort ofthing. Like if you're watching an episode
of a TV show, the likelihoodis very very high that that TV show
has been in the can, thatentire season has been in the can for
a while. Like we know watchingthe episodes of Justified this year that they
(43:22):
were all filmed last summer and soso you you think about that, and
so some of the content there hasn'tbeen a drop off in the content that's
available yet, but now we're gettingto the point where they're starting to they're
starting to drop off the content that'savailable. You know, Amazon's still releasing
(43:43):
they have the Wheel of Time,and they're gonna have the Tolkien The Lord
of the Rings series that they're goingto release because those have all been filmed
and are in the can already andthey can release them. But like new
seasons of TV shows, it's nothappening right now. So it'll be it'll
(44:04):
be this fall this winter that youreally start to see it, and uh,
and on the network schedule especially,you're going to see a lot of
game shows and a lot of realityTV. Yeah. Well, I can't
say i've ever I've never really watchedany of the reality shows. Really.
I can't think of any. Survivorhas been pretty much all I've ever watched
(44:27):
as far as reality goes is thatshow still on. It is still on,
and it's it will be back inSeptember. So okay, I've watched
I've watched every single episode of Survivorwithin ten days of it airing, since
the first episode of the first season, so for like twenty years, since
(44:52):
two thousand or whatever it was.Yeah, it's twenty three years. I've
watched that show every episode as it'saired. Attack when I got the Survivor,
I don't even watch, like,I don't even watch shows generally as
they until they're are already finished anddone. Like that's what I happened in
(45:14):
scripted series now, Yeah, yeah, because I don't really watch I don't
watch reality shows, so it's mostlythey're scripted stuff. Did you see they're
making a new Highlander? Oh?Really? Yeah? A movie or a
TV show? A movie? Ohyeah, it's gonna be who's direct to
get Tim Burton? Wait, holdon here, No it's not John John
(45:45):
Who's that other one we always talkabout the weird director. What's his name?
O Wes Anderson, Anderson's yeah,Wes Anderson's Highlander. Yeah, oh,
Henry cavil and Chats to hell Ski. Yeah, so it's gonna be
a John Wick director. Okay,and yeah, okay, yeah, all
(46:07):
right, all right, so Idon't hate I don't hate Chats to hell
Sky as the All right, that'sinteresting. Yeah. Yeah, Henry cavill
Man. I guess after he gotscrewed over with the that Witcher series,
which is supposed to be pretty good. Yeah, you know, the good
to see that he's back in thesaddle. I guess he got screwed over
with the Superman deal too. Yeahoh yeah, yeah yeah. All right,
(46:32):
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