September 8, 2024 • 60 mins
Wrapping up our discussion of The OC while trying to understand the Julie/Caleb relationship this week.
Join Chris and Randy for Part 3 of our discussion on Season 1 of The OC. In this episode your hosts: discuss Seth, Summer, Seth + Summer, Julie + Caleb, and Sandy + Jimmy and their restaurant love child; finally acknowledge that Randy lives outside the mainstream of society; speculate fearfully about the possibility of "Temu fireworks"; and wonder whether Marissa learned her video game skills from her mom. Oh, and Randy expresses a objectively wrong and insane opinion on hot dogs - hate mail to groundlesspodcast@gmail.com, RE: The Randy Problem.
Back in about a month to start Season 2 - where you may have forgotten, Seth and Zack try and fail twice to have a successful comic book. Just more proof that success is overwhelmingly based on who you know and not what you are good at.
In the meantime, check out our socials @groundlesspod or @groundlesspodcast, e-mail us with your complaints, corrections, and overwhelming praise - groundlesspodcast@gmail.com. Also your love troubles - if your girlfriend ever shot your brother while he was attempting to murder you for attempting to murder him for attempting to rape said girlfriend - we want to hear from you! Don't forget to subscribe, rate, and review! Thanks for listening!
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Join Chris and Randy for Part 3 of our discussion on Season 1 of The OC. In this episode your hosts: discuss Seth, Summer, Seth + Summer, Julie + Caleb, and Sandy + Jimmy and their restaurant love child; finally acknowledge that Randy lives outside the mainstream of society; speculate fearfully about the possibility of "Temu fireworks"; and wonder whether Marissa learned her video game skills from her mom. Oh, and Randy expresses a objectively wrong and insane opinion on hot dogs - hate mail to groundlesspodcast@gmail.com, RE: The Randy Problem.
Back in about a month to start Season 2 - where you may have forgotten, Seth and Zack try and fail twice to have a successful comic book. Just more proof that success is overwhelmingly based on who you know and not what you are good at.
In the meantime, check out our socials @groundlesspod or @groundlesspodcast, e-mail us with your complaints, corrections, and overwhelming praise - groundlesspodcast@gmail.com. Also your love troubles - if your girlfriend ever shot your brother while he was attempting to murder you for attempting to murder him for attempting to rape said girlfriend - we want to hear from you! Don't forget to subscribe, rate, and review! Thanks for listening!
Become a supporter of this podcast: https://www.spreaker.com/podcast/groundless-a-justified-podcast--5328867/support.
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Speaker 1 (00:02):
You're right right back where I's got it from my flowers,
my flowers room in the spring, next morning, that dawning
burning and everything.
Speaker 2 (00:15):
This is groundless Newport oc Rewatch podcast. This is a
podcast where we watch every episode of the OC and
then come on here and talk about it. I'm Chris Thattman.
Speaker 3 (00:28):
Is Randy Man.
Speaker 4 (00:30):
I don't even know where we're at as far as
in these episodes as where this intro is.
Speaker 2 (00:37):
Well, this is This is the intro for episode three
of three of season one of the oct THEOC, a
show about banging girls from modern day and uci.
Speaker 4 (00:51):
Yeah, you know, one thing we hardly saw actually now
to think about it, because you had mentioned the the
different races in the in the u C. And I
remember what you see, Irvine used to be standard U
see I of the University of Chinese Immigrants.
Speaker 3 (01:10):
So don't hardly any.
Speaker 2 (01:12):
Asians, No, No, just the just the the headmaster for
the school or whatever, the prince right.
Speaker 3 (01:20):
Yeah, doctor, I forgot what her names?
Speaker 2 (01:23):
Yeah, whatever, we never see We see her like in
two episodes and then she's never even She's just like
that Rachel character. She just disappears. And I'm pretty sure
in season three rolls around. I'm pretty sure she gets
replaced also because she doesn't make an appearance in season two.
Speaker 3 (01:40):
So that's right. And then that's like the housekeeper also.
Speaker 2 (01:46):
Yes, exactly, the housekeeper shows up to look disapprovingly at
Seth like twice and then never never appears again. There's
a bleak references made to her. Let's see who else
we got. We got Seth Cohen And for Seth, I've
(02:06):
just got I've got this because I think it it
It sort of fits.
Speaker 3 (02:11):
Brothers don't shake hands, brothers got.
Speaker 2 (02:14):
A bug, and Seth's the sess the brother or the uh.
Seth is the only child who's been looking for a
brother his whole life, and Ryan moves in and all
of a sudden, He's got a brother, and he doesn't
know what to do with himself. He's also entirely self obsessed, narcissistic, arrogant.
(02:38):
There's a lot of problems with Seth.
Speaker 4 (02:42):
Now do you think Seth actually develops as a character
as much as say, I don't know, like Summer over
the course of the series.
Speaker 2 (02:52):
Seth pretty much is the exact same character at the
end of the series that he was at the beginning
of the series. Yeah, And I don't know if that's
you know, because look that the Josh Schwartz says that
the character of Seth was based on him, And I
don't know if that's because of that, that the show
that's based on him, and so he wrote it the
same the whole time, or if it's based on Brody,
(03:15):
Adam Brody not wanting to evolve the way he played
the character. There was you know, there's a lot of
smoke that's thrown in Adam Brodie's general direction by the
rest of the cast. It's not like aggressively thrown, but
it's definitely hinted that he wasn't super psyched about being there,
(03:36):
starting in about season two, that he sort of mailed
in his performance, especially starting in season three. He would
show up, read his lines and leave and like, yeah,
mis rehearsals, and like, there's there's a lot of smoke
being thrown in his direction and and everything that I've
read and every and when I listened to his quote,
when I when I listened to his quotes in the book, man,
(03:59):
he's sounded like such an insufferable douche bag.
Speaker 4 (04:04):
I wonder if that falls the timeline when he was
banging Rachel, you know, like Rachel.
Speaker 2 (04:12):
Summer yeah life. Yeah yeah, but about by about halfway
through the first season, they were actually dating in real life,
and they didn't break up until yeah, I think it
was like season four that they broke up. So they
were dating throughout the whole thing. And she, you know,
(04:33):
she you listen to her talk in the in the
book and she sort of apologizes for him over and
over again, like explaining away kind of what a dick
he is and and you know, kind of apologizing for
it and saying, but you know, that's just brody. We
love him, and it sounds like he's a jerk. But yeah,
(04:55):
you know him from Gilmore Girls, from the League, for
a few other pretty good but not great movies.
Speaker 1 (05:03):
You know.
Speaker 2 (05:03):
He he He talks a lot in the book about
how he wants to he wants to do the projects
he wants to do, and he doesn't really care what
people think, and that he you know, wants to make
art and he's not really concerned with what's popular, and
he just seems like one of those guys, Okay, you know,
(05:24):
you don't get what being a celebrity is all about.
Speaker 4 (05:32):
Yeah, he and I think that uh, I mean, what
was he was in the movie Mister and Missus Smith.
Speaker 3 (05:39):
Do you remember that with Angelina Joli.
Speaker 4 (05:41):
Yeah, and he pretty much played the same character.
Speaker 2 (05:47):
That's the thing, right, And he sort of plays the
same character in the League that he plays in the OC,
just you know, with AIDS.
Speaker 3 (05:56):
And then we got to that point.
Speaker 2 (06:00):
He's there, he's their buddy Ted, he's in their league,
but he lives in he lives in California and he's
got AIDS.
Speaker 4 (06:12):
So I always think of that that song from Team America.
Everyone has a Yes, the case in the streets and
the whites in the space.
Speaker 3 (06:36):
God, those guys. Well.
Speaker 2 (06:42):
I saw over the Fourth of July weekend, Uh, something
came up with my TikTok that was in your town.
So driving up Flamingo from like the Paradise area, a
crossing Las Vegas Boulevard, there's this semi truck with this
giant thing on the back that's all fireworks, and it's
(07:03):
like fake fireworks. It's like big plastic rockets and stuff,
but it's clearly like a facade that's built over a
semi container that holds fireworks, and it's got speakers on
it blaring America. Fuck yeah, as it's driving along.
Speaker 3 (07:30):
Hilarious and it's.
Speaker 2 (07:33):
Doing it right under the sign. So the horseshoe sign
is right there, you know, at Flaming Las Vegas, Bulevard,
and the horseshoe sign has their mail review on it.
And he's wearing like a he's wearing like an American flag,
like tank top or something. It's absolutely hilarious.
Speaker 4 (08:00):
Thinking of the fourth of July, I think one of
my favorite moments in the past, like you know, during
the COVID area was that. But I think it was
like July fourth of twenty twenty in southern California.
Speaker 2 (08:10):
Oh yeah, and every like, oh you know, we're.
Speaker 3 (08:13):
Not so worried Fourth of July, everything is shut down.
Speaker 4 (08:15):
And then July fourth, that night, you all you see
it all over like La is just fireworks going all over,
Like you see that helicopter shot all over all these
illegal fireworks.
Speaker 2 (08:27):
Landing lax are coming down, like the entire like all
of Long Beaches lit up with fire.
Speaker 4 (08:33):
Yeah, that was like one of my favorite visuals of that.
Speaker 3 (08:39):
That's where they like you're America fuck yeah, you know.
Speaker 2 (08:41):
Yeah, as somebody who lives on a canyon. Every time
somebody sets off a firework. I want him to get executed.
Speaker 3 (08:50):
That's right, to get the echo and meet your house.
Speaker 2 (08:52):
It's not the echo I'm worried about. It's the burning
down half the county that I'm worried about.
Speaker 4 (09:01):
What, Like, you know, like setting explosives off, that's such
a great tradition.
Speaker 2 (09:05):
Right, yeah, exactly. Amateur explosives, Oh no, they're professional grade,
like no good ones are can you imagine? So, Like,
I think I was thinking about this over fourth of
July because I saw a video of a of an
orthopedic surgeon showing pictures of X rays of mangled hands.
(09:33):
It's like telling people don't set off fireworks, you idiots.
This is the sort of thing that happens. And I'm
thinking to myself, like, I wonder how much the average
quality of a firework has gone down in the last
thirty years, just like everything else. Right, if you think
about all the stuff you see on Amazon, now that's
just rebranded stuff that you could buy on TMU for
(09:54):
like fourteen cents and they sell it on Amazon for
three ninety nine. Like, how do you know when you're
going to a firework store that you aren't getting the
TMU firework?
Speaker 1 (10:04):
You know?
Speaker 2 (10:05):
And you're going to light the fuse and it's going
to blow up in your hand. I I get very
nervous about that these days.
Speaker 4 (10:13):
That's just like the the the every year around Thanksgiving,
you see that, Oh, don't deep fry at turkey.
Speaker 3 (10:20):
You know, demos they.
Speaker 2 (10:23):
Don't say don't deep fry a turkey.
Speaker 3 (10:27):
They say don't or you'll all die.
Speaker 2 (10:31):
What they say, maybe don't do it inside your garage
or under your car floor, or on your wooden patio, yeah,
or inside the house. Yeah yeah, also not a great idea.
And let's always remember when we do, uh frying a
turkey on Thanksgiving? What do we have to remember the
(10:52):
rule of displacement? Thank you ark, that's.
Speaker 4 (10:55):
Right, and make sure it's completely dry.
Speaker 2 (11:00):
Archimedes taught us that if you put it, test it
with water, don't test it with oil.
Speaker 3 (11:09):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (11:10):
Well yeah, because water is the best thing you can
put into boiling oil.
Speaker 2 (11:13):
Right right right, the displacement you test with oil, that's
what I mean. Yeah, I did that one time. I
did that one time, and it actually it was delightful.
I really enjoyed it. But it was such a mess
that I could never bring myself to do it again.
It's just it's such a mess. The concrete on my
(11:33):
back patio. Even though I'd put cardboard down like around
the thing, it had bubbled up enough that like it
was even beyond the cardboard and it stained my back patio.
And then getting the oil out of the the the
kettle that you cook the turkey in and like mac
into containers so you can dispose of it as a
(11:54):
gigantic you gotta use a siphon. It's a gigantic pan
in the ass. Yeah, it's uh, it's no fun.
Speaker 4 (12:02):
I think that that's the sort of thing like if
you have that, like the setup and everything that you have.
Speaker 3 (12:06):
To do, like multiple turkeys. Can't just do one.
Speaker 4 (12:08):
You have to do like, you know, everybody in the
neighborhood maybe bring your turkey over cook you know.
Speaker 2 (12:14):
Yeah, well, I mean that's the Yeah, I guess you
have to have multiple kettles going because, let me tell you,
it takes like forty five minutes to cook one of
those bad boys too.
Speaker 3 (12:23):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (12:24):
Yeah, I actually have a turkey in my reuser right
now that I'm gonna go. I'm not going to defy it,
but I bought it at Thanksgiving, and I think I'm
gonna like thaw it out and just like do like
a you know, just like a mid what is it
a summer Thanksgiving dinner?
Speaker 2 (12:38):
Some of the Thanksgiving dinner? Cool? Yeah, you get a
cater in the sides. That's what I do.
Speaker 4 (12:45):
I don't know, you know, like the COVID, like I
actually been experimenting to like doing a lot of cooking
at home, you know, like just you know, like everything
really just because I think it's uh, I don't know,
I got kind of bored of of like the stuffs,
you know when you go, like during COVID, at least
it was, oh, you have to take it to go.
You couldn't sit down and eat right, and then who
(13:05):
wants to eat like you know, or have food delivered.
Speaker 3 (13:07):
It's it's just not the same.
Speaker 2 (13:08):
Yeah, you know, so the quality drops quite a bit.
Speaker 4 (13:12):
Oh yeah, especially and it's you know, you kind of
want the whole experience, and if you know, when I
couldn't do that, I kind of I guess I kind
of trained myself out of like sitting down to eat out,
you know, like at a restaurant or something.
Speaker 2 (13:22):
I don't know, I wish I had done what you did.
I did the exact opposite. We just doubled down the
door down. Oh yeah, and I haven't broken the habit yet.
Speaker 3 (13:31):
So I've got Rachel cooks, doesn't you see her?
Speaker 2 (13:39):
But it's not that I don't eat her cooking. It's
that I don't want to restrict what she wants to
cook based on my picky eating because I eat like
a twelve year old. Right, So, mac and cheese, mac
and cheese, hot dogs, pizza.
Speaker 4 (13:56):
Hot talks are so foul, dude, I can't leave before
food grips.
Speaker 2 (14:01):
Yes, stay, hot dogs, pizza and uh and uh.
Speaker 4 (14:06):
French French fries are good.
Speaker 3 (14:10):
Yeah, just hot dogs, man, I don't know. That just
triggers me a burger. Yeah, I rather have a burger than.
Speaker 2 (14:18):
A good hot dog over a burger every single time
for me.
Speaker 3 (14:22):
I love Well, there's no such thing as a good
hot dogs.
Speaker 2 (14:26):
That's not true.
Speaker 4 (14:26):
Man.
Speaker 2 (14:27):
Snake River Farms hit us up for a sponsorship. Snake
River they make these these all beef like with the
they have, like the casing you know where they snap
when you bite them? So good? Real really, how.
Speaker 3 (14:40):
Do you do how do you do you barbecue?
Speaker 2 (14:43):
Real?
Speaker 1 (14:44):
Real?
Speaker 2 (14:44):
Simple? Just put them on the girl. Put them on
the girl. For about four minutes and roll them around
a little bit.
Speaker 3 (14:49):
Yep, you don't do it strip club style where they
put it in the.
Speaker 2 (14:52):
Water, the steamed the steam hot dog. Yeah no I don't.
Yeah I have done so, Like you can like put
them in beer. You can like warm up beer on
the stove and boil your hot dog and beer. People
do that with like polish sausage and stuff like that.
(15:15):
But yeah, I don't do that much with hot dogs.
But but yeah, I just I like them real simple,
real real simple. Just the hot dog on a on
a nice bun, a pretzel bun if I can get one,
and and uh you know, nice snap. It's really real good.
Snake River Farms hot dogs are fantastic. Go get them
all beef once.
Speaker 4 (15:32):
I think I had like one of the order for
like a steak or two from them, like a long
time ago.
Speaker 3 (15:37):
They're they're good.
Speaker 4 (15:38):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (15:38):
They supply a lot of those steak places, a lot
of the nicer restaurants around here. Oh yeah, and like
when you go to like like a higher end grocery
store here and buy their their prime beef, it's usually
Snake River Farms beef too.
Speaker 3 (15:53):
Okay cool, So yeah.
Speaker 2 (15:56):
Hit us up for a sponsorship with Love One. I'll
rave about the product all day. So okay, well that's Seth.
So let's let's get back to Let's get back to Seth.
I've got I've got some notes on Seth's character here.
He's obsessed with a girl he's never spoken to. That's
a red flag. Uh, He's like, what is it?
Speaker 3 (16:20):
The only fan subscriber, He's the target demograph.
Speaker 2 (16:23):
I think he's the target demo for an only fan subscriber. Yeah,
he's like, he's he has big in cell energy.
Speaker 4 (16:33):
It kind of you know what like it's it's he's
lucky that he ran into Ryan because he would be
he would be like inself.
Speaker 3 (16:42):
Like if he never if he never came across Is
or came across Brian.
Speaker 2 (16:46):
So yeah, he's such a he's so you know, he's
so focused on how everybody else mistreats him, and he
doesn't try to do anything to like sort of change
how other people perceive him. Yeah, he just plays into
their worst expectations of him. And and you know, it's
presented sort of as a hey, he's going to be
himself and if people don't like him, then whatever. But
(17:09):
I don't think that that's really what's going through his head.
He thinks he's smarter than they are, he thinks he's
more capable than they are. He's an arrogant jerk.
Speaker 4 (17:16):
I think he's basically you're saying that, he's like, yeah,
he's his character like.
Speaker 2 (17:23):
Seth is, like, oh, yeah, Seth is a little bit
like Adam, and Adam's a little bit like Seth. Yeah,
there's probably an overlap there. Yeah, you know, he hates
life in Newport, but it's only because he doesn't understand
the real world. He's never been exposed to like adversity,
so he doesn't He's like, oh, this place is the worst,
(17:43):
but but he doesn't know that, Like people are poor,
and you would think that with the dad he's got
that he would be better about that sort of thing,
but he's not. He is just as I mean, it's
it's he presents an interesting foil to summer, right because
because he's just as spoiled and kind of ignorant as
(18:03):
she is. But it's played very differently.
Speaker 4 (18:08):
Yeah, I think that's fair. Yeah, because she is I mean,
she knows that. She like she even said so, I'm
like so many levels hotter than Seth.
Speaker 3 (18:17):
Cohen.
Speaker 4 (18:18):
You know, like she even says that in the thing,
so she's she's very self aware, right, yes, but yeah,
Seth is definitely not.
Speaker 2 (18:28):
Not at all self aware and yeah, and so so
focused on himself too. And you know, they turn it
into a joke about I don't know about two thirds
of the way through the season and they sort of
turned it into a joke of Seth like constantly saying,
let's focus back on what I want to talk about
or whatever. But by that point, by the time they
start acknowledging it as like, oh, this is funny. Ha ha,
(18:50):
this is a joke. It's not funny anymore.
Speaker 4 (18:53):
Yeah, a little late on the yeah, on the uptake.
Speaker 2 (18:57):
But I do remember loving, absolutely loving his character when
I watched this show the first time. So, you know,
I don't know if that represents me getting different as
I've gotten older or you know what, but maybe just
not aging very well.
Speaker 4 (19:13):
Yeah, well I think it's the first It's like the
first time that you saw whatever, you know, the first
time you saw Jessica Alba in a swimsuit, or you know,
you're fascinating, right.
Speaker 2 (19:25):
You're constantly chasing that dragon, chasing.
Speaker 4 (19:28):
That dragon, just like any addache, it doesn't effect isn't
the same more time.
Speaker 3 (19:33):
To do it.
Speaker 2 (19:38):
Yeah, that's a good analogy. I like that. You could
substitute a couple other things in there for that that
I want to talk about them. So well, you mentioned Summer.
Let's talk about Summer for a minute. So Summer is
a mean girl with a heart of gold, but she's
not originally meant to be. So her character was not
meant to be a member of the quote unquot quote
(20:00):
four the Ryan Marissa Seth Summer. She was always sort
of meant to be on the outside of that group
and never meant to be one of their friends, more
of a foil to them. And they brought her in
and they saw, you know, they did the first few episodes,
and they saw how good she was, and they saw
how much fans liked her, and they were like, well,
(20:21):
we can't waste her. So they immediately brought her in
as a series regular after that, and the rest is history.
She's in every ninety two She was in all ninety
two episodes.
Speaker 4 (20:29):
So yeah, she's probably the most developed and she actually
she's probably my favorite out of the four as far
as like, yeah.
Speaker 2 (20:37):
Yeah, she's she's great, and I think she's great in
season two, three and four. I think she's a little
undeveloped in season one, I really do, but I do.
I do still like her better than pretty much the
other the rest of the other core four I think, Yeah,
(20:58):
I think Ryan does a better job acting, but I
don't necessarily like his character. I think his character has
got some pretty serious flaws we'll talk about. Yeah, and Marissa,
of course is just gloomy Guss and so it's hard
to hard to be around Marissa.
Speaker 3 (21:15):
Well yeah, well I don't even know, you know, because
because locks trump a lot of things you.
Speaker 4 (21:22):
Can overthrow to see a lot of flaws.
Speaker 3 (21:26):
But I think like her. Marissa's character is definitely the
one who has to drive a lot of the.
Speaker 4 (21:32):
First season story, right, So so I don't know, I'll
give her a pass as far as you know, because
she's put in a difficult position having to do that.
Speaker 3 (21:44):
But you see right away that.
Speaker 4 (21:45):
She does have problems, like problems that even though she
has a storybook life, it looks like a storybook life
that's basically crumbling around her in the first season.
Speaker 2 (21:55):
Yeah, substance problems and you're you're absolutely right, she's got
a lot going on, and they asked a lot of
a seventeen year old girl to portray.
Speaker 3 (22:07):
That the youngest out of all four of those.
Speaker 2 (22:10):
Yeah, yeah, exactly what we're gonna do is we're gonna
give you the most difficult issues to deal with, and
everybody else just gets to have a good time.
Speaker 3 (22:20):
It's all on you.
Speaker 2 (22:21):
You get to deal with the uh the suicide and
drug overdose and substance abuse problems and stalker and all that.
You're gonna deal with all that and uh yeah yeah.
Speaker 4 (22:33):
Yeah, I mean even down the road thinking like just
like her, like being the huh.
Speaker 2 (22:40):
Okay, let's see, Well we've got Seth and Summer. Should
we talk about Seth and Summer for a little bit.
So we haven't really talked about them very much. So
so you got Summer, who is uh, the mean girl,
but she's got a heart of gold. She doesn't even
know really who Seth Cohen is. Seth is obsessed with her.
He's named his boat after her. He's you know, completely
and totally infatuated with her and has been for years,
(23:03):
and eventually he sort of starts to erode. He's he's
he can be endearing and cute when he's not being annoying,
and so eventually he sort of manages to break her
walls down a little bit and she finds herself actually
sort of interested in him. And as soon as that happens,
(23:23):
Anna Stern shows up. And Anna is basically like a
cool version of Seth. Right. She likes things like comic
books and she calls them graphic novels in anime. And
she's like the manic She's the manic pixie dream girl, right,
She's she's sort of that character. And that immediately makes
(23:45):
Uh Summer jealous, of course, and and the jealousy really
makes her understand sort of how much she likes Seth Cohen.
Speaker 3 (23:54):
But then Seth, which is which is the proper way.
Speaker 2 (23:57):
To that's the that's the method, last way to do it.
Speaker 4 (24:02):
Yes, yes, you arouse jealousy the perspective partner exactly.
Speaker 2 (24:09):
That's the best way to find out if they're really
interested in you is make them jealous.
Speaker 4 (24:14):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (24:14):
Even Anna recognizes that.
Speaker 2 (24:16):
Yeah, no, she does, she does, and she encourages it. Right,
That's that's absolutely right, and and well, and then Seth
thinks she's encouraging it when sometimes she's actually interested in
Seth herself. Right, there's that scene at the carnival where
she kisses him and he's like, oh, that's a great
way to make Summer jealous, and she's like, oh, yeah,
that's what I definitely meant to do.
Speaker 4 (24:41):
I mean, if you looked at Seth as far as
like what you know of him at that point, at
that point of the season, would there be wouldn't he
be like girl repellent?
Speaker 3 (24:50):
You would know?
Speaker 4 (24:51):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (24:52):
I mean he's a good looking guy. That's sort of
the one thing that saves him is that he's a
really good looking guy.
Speaker 3 (24:58):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (24:58):
I think if he weren't as good looking, he would
he would just be a complete pariah. Like yeah, yeah,
you give somebody Seth's personality and you make him ugly
or fat, and they are no one will ever talk
to him, Like like Ryan would have been going out
of his way to leave him at home.
Speaker 4 (25:19):
Yeah, he would have said, oh uh, you know, like Summer, Hey,
Summer invited us to that that house party or whatever.
Speaker 3 (25:27):
Nope, No, he would have left her.
Speaker 4 (25:29):
Like left him in the at that the reception that
it hopted the truck the back of the truck.
Speaker 2 (25:34):
That's exactly right. And and by the way, when Summers
showed that she was interested in Ryan, he would have
shown that he was interested in her in return instead
of deferring Seth.
Speaker 4 (25:45):
Yeah, yeah, which is that's that was a bro on
his u on Ryan's part, as far as like, yeah, yeah, so, I.
Speaker 2 (25:54):
Mean Ryan's a very very good friend. Ryan, he is
an excellent friend. He may be a little too good
of a friend because he's willing to, you know, commit
crimes and beat people up right or died, that's right. Yeah,
It's like Ryan's the Ryan's the only one who thinks
he's in a motorcycle gang with everybody.
Speaker 4 (26:18):
Everybody wants to be a gangster until it's time to
do gangster.
Speaker 2 (26:23):
Ryan. It's like, I'm down for the gangster sh everybody
wants what's that from? Everybody wants to be a gangster
until it's time to do gangster ship? Was that from
something or did you.
Speaker 3 (26:33):
Just I mean I've heard it before. I don't know
where it came.
Speaker 2 (26:36):
From because I like that. I haven't heard that before.
I like that a lot. But but yeah, so so
there's a lot of drama between between Summer and and Seth.
Throughout the season. There's you know, there's this what I
thought at the time was sort of a very endearing
when they finally do get together after Anna moves back
(26:57):
to Pittsburgh, and after Seth and Summer are together and
they're going to have start having sex, there's this this
scene where they have bad sex because of course they do, right,
they're not experienced, I don't know what they're doing. It happens,
right everybody, And and they sort of abstain from sex
for a while, or they agree to abstain from sex
(27:19):
for a while, but it lasts all of like three minutes,
and then they're banging on the regular. Yeah, and then
and then there's the great there's a great moment. I
really did enjoy how when Seth goes on a sex strike,
like immediately Summer's hilariously cock starved, Like the moment one
(27:39):
the minute, Like it's really really funny, well done. I
would again, not one of the things you would have
expected from a show about high school's kids.
Speaker 4 (27:50):
Right yeah, Well, if you think about how much the
horribones are going through you at.
Speaker 2 (27:56):
That time, right yeah, yeah, absolutely as.
Speaker 4 (28:02):
Yeah, and it's not even just the women, like the
girls are going through that too.
Speaker 2 (28:09):
Yeah, the dudes are portrayed and that's that's kind of
why I like this, right, because usually it's the dudes
being portrayed as you know, mindlessly horny or whatever. And
in this case it's Summer. Right. You never you never
see a character in high school who looks like Summer
roberts On on UH on TV being mindlessly horny. But
(28:35):
but I do you know there there are multiple times
where like, okay, so he has lunch with UH, he
has lunch with there with her dad, and it goes poorly,
and so Summer sort of quasi half breaks up with
them a little bit. And you know, Seth has every
dork's dilemma and he and he has this over and
over again throughout the show where it's like, oh, do
(28:57):
I force the confrontation or do I just be whiny
and passive aggressive until she realizes what a catch I am? Right,
It's he's always kind of in that situation. He always
chooses to be whiny and passive aggressive.
Speaker 4 (29:11):
Yeah, which once again it doesn't make sense, Like it
doesn't make sense for her for for Summer.
Speaker 2 (29:19):
No right, it's the same thing as Kirsten with with
Jimmy Cooper, right, Yeah, like what what is he got
to offer, and Summer sort of treats it like an
infection or like, you know, it's it's almost like it's
this inconvenient sort of fixation she has and she just
needs to to rid herself of it. She has the
(29:40):
self help therapy or whatever that she does.
Speaker 3 (29:43):
That's right.
Speaker 2 (29:46):
I do like how it's basically like it's an STD
essentially that she's contracted from Seth, is that she's sort
of addicted to him now.
Speaker 3 (29:56):
She infected him.
Speaker 2 (30:00):
Exactly. Yeah, so yes, there we get rid of it.
And then there's another I gotta tell you, you know,
the Sandy Cohen is a purve sort of moments. There's
this in in towards sort of towards the the end
of the season. It's in what it's in the Teresa arc.
(30:23):
Sandy makes makes a reference after you know, he's figured
out that that he's he's banging Summer and Sandy makes
this thinly veiled pussy eating reference to his teenage kid.
And I don't have a clip of it. I wish
I'd gone back and pulled it because it's absolutely wild.
(30:44):
Here make a make a pussy eating joke to his
to his teenage son talking about a teenage girl. It's
really bizarre, really, but the whole tribulations of how to
do good sex that he goes through are so so
much less entertaining and charming than I remember them being.
(31:05):
I found it immediately annoying and not not funny, even
totally awkward. Yeah yeah, yeah, totally awkward. But all right,
let's see anything else on Seth and Summer.
Speaker 4 (31:19):
Now.
Speaker 2 (31:20):
You know, we know Seth leaves at the end of
the at the end of the season, leaves notes behind,
but we don't know sort of what what his situation
is with with Summer because they they are sort of
sort of a question mark where they're at. Also, so okay,
so we talked about we talked about Julie and Luke.
(31:41):
Maybe we should talk about Julian Caleb. Yeah, so there's
they They have two sort of arcs, right. They have
the first arc where they're seeing each other kind of
on the d L at the same time that Julie's
sort of seeing Luke, and then they have a rekindling
(32:08):
later when Caleb proposes. They get married like two weeks
after he proposes, and it never is really clear why
Caleb proposes to Julie of all people, and gets married
so quickly, like it never, it never has a sufficiently
(32:28):
good explanation to me.
Speaker 4 (32:33):
I think that the problem is is that it's his
daughter's best friend, you know, like it's that's an issue, right,
I mean, he's.
Speaker 2 (32:46):
Just yeah, I mean I guess Julie Cooper sort of
her best friend. I suppose. Yeah, it's weird. It's definitely
weird that he would be doing that, and and of
course it's very very awkward for Kirsten we I actually
have I actually have a little bit of a clip
here that that I want to play. I didn't I
(33:06):
didn't have many many clips of the of the show
at all, but one of them is this one where
Seth kind of riffs a little bit on what the
familiar relationships are going to look like after this wedding happens.
Speaker 4 (33:19):
You've got your love life straightened out, I think it
might be time to take a step back and untangle
this incestuous web that I like to call the Julie
Caleb union.
Speaker 3 (33:28):
Now, let's think about this. When this bizarro kno gets tied,
Julie Cooper is going to be your mother in law.
Oh yeah, enjoy it's gonna be your stepmom.
Speaker 1 (33:37):
Seth.
Speaker 3 (33:37):
My head is spinning. Yea, me and Marisa, we could
be related.
Speaker 1 (33:40):
I don't know.
Speaker 3 (33:41):
I can't even do that math.
Speaker 4 (33:42):
But the real kicker is Julie Cooper.
Speaker 3 (33:45):
My grandma. My grandma works out to think about it,
I have about it.
Speaker 2 (33:50):
And and Juicy's wet Pants.
Speaker 3 (33:53):
That's such a two thousand and four.
Speaker 2 (33:55):
Right, very much. I'm pretty sure the Juicy stores are
all closed now, but I do remember when the man
they started opening those in the higher end walls, you know. Yeah,
they had one in Caesar's Palace in that in that
forum shops for a while.
Speaker 3 (34:17):
Oh yeah, was it like next to where Pete Rose
used to sign yep.
Speaker 2 (34:20):
Yep, No, that's exactly That's exactly where it was on
the little ramp on the way up to the round area. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
that's exactly. That's funny. Yeah, and so so yeah. They
they end up getting married in the in the final
episode of the season, which is Which is Wild, and
(34:40):
they have Sandy is is Caleb's best man, which made
me ask the question of is is Sandy's Sandy Caleb's
only friend? Because it's weird having your son in law
who you don't agree with or get along with as
your best man. That's very strange.
Speaker 4 (34:57):
Yeah, yeah, well Caleb is should be a guy who
has just like multiple just like because he's, you know,
a very powerful man in the in.
Speaker 3 (35:07):
The in the series, and he can't get he can't
get somebody else.
Speaker 2 (35:13):
I know, I know, it's wild. It's very strange. And
there's this whole thing when they're planning for the wedding too,
of like they're they're booking, They're looking at these absurd
ridiculous venues and I'm like, you, guys are getting married
in two weeks. How do you expect to be able
to book these venues? There's just no way. That's not
the way it works.
Speaker 3 (35:32):
What is it?
Speaker 4 (35:33):
Is the because I've never planned a wedding, but I think,
isn't it like you have to plan at least a
year ahead of time or something like that? Is that right?
Speaker 1 (35:40):
Is?
Speaker 2 (35:40):
The people? I think will tell you now that it's
more like two because the venues have these huge long
waiting lists now because there is a bunch of pent
up demand from like twenty twenty to twenty twenty two,
and and that's still trying to burn that off. The books.
Speaker 3 (35:57):
Well, yeah, so I think that Uh.
Speaker 4 (36:00):
Yeah, it's amazing how the timeline compress and you get
all this stunne in a week.
Speaker 3 (36:05):
You know.
Speaker 2 (36:07):
Yes, I also like that because Jimmy, Jimmy eventually decides
to leave, right, So Jimmy Cooper decides to leave because
of the or or he's thinking about leaving when when
Julie is getting married, because he doesn't really know what
he has left for him in Newport, and eventually it
becomes Haley. And we'll talk about Haley and Jimmy a
little bit. But I did like how both Michael Bluth
(36:30):
and Millhouse's dad have Phoenix as their fallback option. I'm
gonna go to Phoenix. Oh okay, well I'm sure that'll be
successful this time. Let's see what else did I want
to talk about with with Julie and Caleb, I just
(36:52):
I don't understand the gruesome to something, right, It's it
just doesn't make any sense to me why they're together.
And I get that, you know, he's interested in her
because she's young and attractive. Right, she would be thirty
four because she had Marissa when she was eighteen, so
she would be with Marissa sixteen. She's thirty four now,
(37:12):
so she's pretty young. Yeah, but I don't know. It
still feels weird, like so the you know, maybe she
is the mast of you. Yeah, you know, maybe I'm
wrong about that starfish thing, right, Yeah, I could I
could be I could be wrong.
Speaker 3 (37:29):
She rocks his world.
Speaker 2 (37:31):
Well, there's a there's a reference later where they say that,
uh oh, where they're playing video games. The kids are
playing video games, and somebody said Marissa Cooper says that
she knows how to wheeled saber. It's like, I wonder
if she earned that from her mom.
Speaker 3 (37:49):
That's pretty good.
Speaker 2 (37:50):
Yeah, but I looked up so I looked up the
real life age differences. So so like I was thinking about, like, oh,
what's the what's the real life age difference between Luke
and Julie and Caleb and Julie and which is way
more creepy. And because the show goes out of its
way to mention that Luke is eighteen, they have to
do that, like could they could have a scenario or
(38:12):
Julie was literally molesting at.
Speaker 3 (38:15):
This statutory of sexual assault, so.
Speaker 2 (38:19):
They couldn't have that, so they had to go out
of their way to say that Luke is eighteen. The
actors though Luke The actor wh plays Luke was born
in nineteen eighty and the actor who plays Julie was
born in nineteen sixty nine, so they're eleven years apart.
In real life, he's, you know, twenty twenty four and
she is thirty five when the series is being filmed. Yeah,
(38:45):
and then so not at all creepy, right conceptually, at
least like a twenty four year old or a thirty
five year old. I mean, like, especially if it's a
man with an older woman, you don't feel like that's dynamic.
There's no power dynamic problem there.
Speaker 3 (39:02):
Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (39:03):
Caleb and Julie Caleb born in nineteen forty seven, Julie
born in nineteen sixty nine, So he's twenty two years
older than her. So twice he's twice as older than
her as she is than Luke, if that makes sense, right,
So it feels way less creepy for Luke and Julie,
(39:24):
aside from the fact that he's her daughter's or her
daughter's ex boyfriend and take her of her virginity. It
feels way less, way less creepy than the Caleb Jewlie thing, right, Yeah.
Speaker 4 (39:36):
Yeah, but I don't see I I don't think that
it's you know, there is that power dynamic and everything else.
But I mean, is it really that creepy for Caleb
to want to you know, like bag the thirty four
year old or whatever, no versus, you know.
Speaker 2 (39:53):
No, no, I don't think I'm just analogizing them to
each other. Right, Like if we if we are going
to call Julie sleeping with Luke creepy, which I'm not.
I'm just saying that that. You know, some people probably
viewed it as that or inappropriate.
Speaker 3 (40:09):
Definitely inappropriate. Yeah, yeah, And you add the context of
her daughter's ex boyfriend.
Speaker 2 (40:16):
Right right, right, you lay all that in, it gets
really really bad. Right. But but alone, he's a high
school kid, he's eighteen years old, so then she's a mother.
It's it's it's scandalous at the very least.
Speaker 3 (40:30):
What do you mean, like I see it.
Speaker 4 (40:31):
I'm these stories about teachers like molesting their kids, their
students all the.
Speaker 2 (40:35):
Time, right, that's a time honored tradition. Well, I mean, look,
let's let's acknowledge the fact that you have sort of
outside the mainstream of society there in Las Vegas.
Speaker 3 (40:47):
That's true. Maybe it's Las Vegas has corrupted my mind
that's right.
Speaker 2 (40:53):
You You no longer think that it's weird for a
sixty year old man to walk around with a twenty
five year old girl.
Speaker 4 (41:01):
Dude, I'd had more than a couple of instances where
like I'm just like standing there and uh and like
some older dude is obviously you know, like with this
one guy one specific east is I was like standing
outside like that Brazilian steakhouse.
Speaker 3 (41:16):
In down in town Center. Okay, this older guy comes
up and hey, is this place pretty good? Yeah? I'm
here with my daughter and is obviously not his daughter.
Speaker 2 (41:29):
Yeah, I know exactly what you mean. I was at
a lot of Delray concert at the Hollywood ball and
I was sitting in some very nice seats, and immediately
in front of me were even nicer seats, and there
was a gentleman there who had to be at least
sixty years old, who was with a woman who couldn't
have been a day over nineteen, not a day.
Speaker 3 (41:53):
Yeah, I mean at that point, I don't know. I mean,
it's creepy.
Speaker 2 (41:58):
It is, it is, and you know, but but it does,
it does the old joke, right, Why are you telling me?
I'm telling everybody, So, yeah, it's it's interesting. I just
I just thought it was I thought it would be
fun to highlight the sort of age difference between the
actors in this instance that in real life. Yeah, as
(42:22):
opposed to the show. I think in the show it's
like even more stark, right, Yeah, because I think that
she's meant to be thirty four, so there's only like
sixteen years between her and Luke, and I think Caleb's
meant to be significantly older.
Speaker 3 (42:36):
So yeah, yeah, so.
Speaker 2 (42:39):
All right, well, let's let's see. I don't think I
had anything else on Julie and Caleb.
Speaker 4 (42:49):
Can we talk about that about the Well, I guess
we liked the season opener for season two, the scream Marissa.
Speaker 2 (43:00):
She feels, oh, the scream. Yeah, no, I think we said.
I think we saved that for the next set of Yeah, okay, yeah,
that's kind of that famous moment. That's really something else.
Speaker 3 (43:11):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (43:11):
I just started watching season two, so I'm not not
quite there yet, but I do remember when she turns
over the pool furniture. Yeah, there's a there's a moment
where they talk about that in the book.
Speaker 3 (43:25):
I think I would dub that Howard the Howard Jean scream.
Speaker 2 (43:28):
It's pretty close. Yeah, yeah, it's pretty close. Yeah, Yeah,
you feel bad for her because they told her to
do that. So that's that. We'll we'll talk about it.
We'll talk about that when we get there. But yeah,
I was trying to figure out, So Jimmy and Sandy
buy this restaurant together and neither one of them knows
anything about running a restaurant, where did they get the
money for this? Like we've established that that Sandy doesn't
(43:52):
make much money. This is after he took the job
at the law firm. But even if he took the
job at law firm, he's still only making a few
hundred thousand dollars a year. We find out that the
end that they have one point two to five million
into the place, and Caleb buys it from him from
three so they end up splitting like one point seventy
five in profit. Right, But it's like, where did you
(44:16):
guys come up with one point twenty five to put
into that restaurant? It doesn't make any sense at all,
Like you don't have I mean, we know Jimmy doesn't
have any of that money laying around. We know that
they're not going to be able to get a loan
with Jimmy's felonies. I mean, potentially, you think Kirston's going
(44:37):
to float Sandy a million so he can invest in
a restaurant that she thinks is not a great idea.
Speaker 5 (44:43):
That he knows nothing about running about he has nothing
about running, Like the only thing he knows is, you know,
he wants to make it serve as mom's meat loaf,
and Jimmy wants that's a meat.
Speaker 2 (44:55):
Loaf at a restaurant. Come on, it's wrong with you people.
Speaker 3 (45:01):
I mean, he's not a family diner. That's like, it's
going to be a what's it called, like a high
end restaurant.
Speaker 2 (45:08):
Right, It's a gourmet place. It's a it's a place
people go for their anniversary. You're not going to serve.
Speaker 3 (45:15):
Meat loaf. It's just the degradation of civilization.
Speaker 2 (45:25):
And and and then Caleb basically rips them off and
and because of that, you know, Jimmy punches him out.
But but it's all forgiven by the end of the
season because they ruined they ruined his deal that he
was going to sell the property, and they ruined that
so cost everybody millions of dollars. And no, there's no
hard feelings and that's the second time, by the way,
(45:49):
that that they've thwarted Caleb's plans to make millions of
dollars because it happened earlier in the season when he
was going to sell the land back to the county. Yeah,
and Sandy, Sandy derailed those plans directly, directly leading to
him going broken season two.
Speaker 4 (46:08):
I was gonna say that, like Kim's really that good
had money and managing money either.
Speaker 2 (46:15):
It's easy to manage money when you have a lot
of it.
Speaker 3 (46:19):
Yeah, what is that joke? How do you make a
small fortune? You start with a big one?
Speaker 2 (46:23):
That's exactly right. Yeah, how do you make how do
you make a million dollars in the restaurant business? You
start with ten?
Speaker 3 (46:28):
Yep, yep, yep. Yeah. Well, you know, like I don't know,
have you have you gone? Well, you you go, you
order out a lot?
Speaker 4 (46:41):
Have you like the prices on just like going where
did I go today? I went to I went to
Chipotle and I just got like what did I get?
Speaker 3 (46:50):
I got like a bowl with.
Speaker 4 (46:52):
Extra meat and some chips in glock and uh and
it was like.
Speaker 3 (46:56):
Thirty something bucks for.
Speaker 2 (47:01):
Like Jesus, I got to I got two meals, you know,
a burger and fries for me and a burger and
fries and a frosty for Rachel. At Wendy's yesterday or
the day before Friday. It was thirty dollars. God what
And that was me going to the store and buying
(47:21):
the food like that was that was their bottom bottom
line price. It was. There was no delivery fee, there
was no mark up for being an app or anything
like that. It was it was just thirty dollars. That
was just thirty and a large fry, a small fry,
and a small frosty.
Speaker 3 (47:38):
Okay, oh yeah, so you're doing you can get like
drink like soft breaks or nope. God yeah, that's nuts, man,
nuts because weddies used to be they used to do
like that.
Speaker 2 (47:48):
It was the big menu, right, that was there. That
was their thing they had. You could get like like
nuggets for ninety nine cents.
Speaker 3 (47:56):
And yeah, yeah, those days are gone.
Speaker 2 (48:00):
Dollar menu's gone to McDonald's. I remember from Redford Nickel.
Speaker 3 (48:08):
I do remember.
Speaker 4 (48:09):
Actually I do remember thirty five so like it was
like twenty five cent Hamburgers and thirty five cent cheeseburgers
McDonald's back in the day.
Speaker 2 (48:18):
Yeah, that was, Yeah, that would have been. Yeah, that
would have been a while ago.
Speaker 3 (48:21):
Yeah, yeah, those days are long gone. No, I think
that was. No, Actually, I think that would have been
like early two thousands if I remember. Really, Yeah, I remember.
Speaker 2 (48:31):
I remember they had the cheeseburger on the dollar menu.
It was ninety nine cents. I remember that being a
big deal. But jeez, I know not anymore. I was.
I saw a thing on on my TikTok feed or
whatever where it had prices for like in like twenty
nineteen versus prices today, and the McDonald's stuff had all
gone up like one hundred and forty percent or whatever.
(48:53):
So it's not it's not inflation. It's it's more than that.
There's more to it than that yoga lottis we have.
I just wanted to mention yogo lotts because there's that
great episode where Sandy says it like fifteen times and
uh you know that was that was apparently that was
his idea to do that.
Speaker 4 (49:13):
So yeah, yeah, well that whole that was like one
of those like the first seed in the episode or yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2 (49:19):
They opened the opening scenes. The cold opens are are
really really good. There's there's another cold open that I
thought was, Oh, the opening montage. This is where, let's
say the show is more artistically relevant than it gets
credit for. The opening montage showing how annoyed, annoying Haley
is to their day to day routine when she's there
kind of interfering in their ability to get ready for
(49:39):
work and school in the morning. It's really yeah, it's
really well.
Speaker 3 (49:43):
That's well done.
Speaker 4 (49:44):
Yeah yeah, yeah, because like I think she's like eating
the bagel.
Speaker 2 (49:47):
Yeah, it's entirely silent. Yeah, there's no dialogue, it's just
it's just their their face acting uh sort of reactions.
It's really really good.
Speaker 3 (49:56):
Yeah, well done.
Speaker 2 (49:58):
All right, Let's see what else I have here. Christian
was don't want to take Ryan in Ryan at what
it's a violent psychopathy? Oh yeah, I think, Oh, oh,
I have a couple of things here. I have. When
Seth chooses to go with Summer instead of Anna is
like when Raylan picks Winona over Ava. It feels very
(50:29):
much like that at the time. And then and then
Marissa stealing from Robinson's may is like Winona stealing the
cash out of the evidence room because Ryan had to
like try and cover for her and get her out
of trouble and everything. It felt very very similar to me.
Speaker 4 (50:50):
These are the most tenuous, you said, the most tenuous relaysians.
Speaker 2 (50:57):
The more, the more far fetched, the better.
Speaker 3 (51:00):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (51:01):
I've got a few. I've got a few things that
they talked about that were, Hey, remember two thousand and
four things that we didn't get to. One of them
is I had I had started to sort of put
together a spinoff. I might still do it. But Sandy
apparently has a hidden porn stash on the PC. There's
a reference to it made in one of the episodes,
(51:21):
and I'm like, oh, that's a hey, two thousand and
four moment, because you know, you don't have you don't
have broadband in two thousand and four, so you actually
had to save the porn on your computer and hide it.
Speaker 3 (51:33):
In a secret folder.
Speaker 2 (51:34):
Yeah, exactly, the secret folder. And I thought about this.
I thought about, it'd be funny to write sort of
a thirty second trailer for a show called The PC
that talks about Sandy's porn.
Speaker 3 (51:45):
Collection and you have like all like a porn music
in the back of Yeah, exactly, totally.
Speaker 2 (51:51):
Yeah, And it's funny because PC is also you know,
it's a computer and it could stand for porn collection,
So you've got a double double sort of thing there.
There's also Summer, who went on in Affleck Lopez rant
about public relationships, which which could actually be today by
the way, but she did she did talk about how
(52:12):
she because she was trying to justify not telling people
that she she and Summer or she and Seth were
seeing each other. And she's like, ok at what happened
to afflic and Ben Affleck and Jennifer Lopez. I don't
want to be like that.
Speaker 3 (52:25):
Oh my god. And we're still talking.
Speaker 2 (52:28):
About well, we're talking about it again. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
And oh and the chakana approach to courtship. The whole
concept of shakanaw comes right out of the Gulf War,
straight up Iraq Iraq invasion reference made by Sandy there.
Speaker 4 (52:49):
Yeah, well I think that, you know, speaking of that,
like you know, Seth like and that was one of
the Realinois things for for him, was like he thinks
that like doing this grand gesture like when Anna was, oh,
I need to meet her and tell her how I feel.
I don't know, that was like so annoying.
Speaker 2 (53:08):
We're absolutely right, I've got I've got to actually I
have a highlighted comment that I just didn't figure out
kind of how to how to put in. But I'm
so glad you mentioned that, because my note says that
it feels entirely unearned. Feels entirely unearned for Seth to
get that sort of response from Anna at the airport. Yeah, yeah,
I don't. I don't like it at all.
Speaker 3 (53:31):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (53:32):
Yeah, So let's see any other any other little nuggets
that I have here that I want to get out.
Uh Oh, Marissa and Ryan go on a date to
see Master and Commander in the theater. That's right, they're teenagers.
I'm gonna go see Master and Commander.
Speaker 3 (53:53):
For the record, that movie is awesome.
Speaker 2 (53:55):
I love that you love Russell Crowe for some reason
I don't get. Yeah, no, I uh did you ever
see it?
Speaker 1 (54:05):
That's all.
Speaker 2 (54:06):
Look, I enjoyed it, but it was a two and
a half hour movie about boats. I it was It
was fine. It was fine.
Speaker 3 (54:15):
You know nothing, sir, it was fine.
Speaker 2 (54:22):
Let's see here Marissa apologizing for a living an apartment
nicer than the one I lived, and at the time
makes me sad because there is that moment after after
Millhouse's dad moves into the condo. She's like, oh, sorry,
my place is so shitty, like this a two story
condo in Newport Beach. Dude, this is nicer than every
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apartment I've ever lived in so far.
Speaker 3 (54:47):
It's like the water too.
Speaker 2 (54:49):
Yeah, yeah, joke. And I think that's it. I think
that's all. I've got. What you got, you got anything left.
Speaker 4 (55:00):
I don't have anything left other than let me see here,
I got nothing left.
Speaker 2 (55:07):
Yeah, yeah, I think the only other I got one
more little thing where I wanted to say that that
that Seth. You know, he promises because Ryan runs away, right,
and so so Ryan runs away. And when Ryan runs
runs away, Sandy goes to Seth and says, hey, promise me,
you're never going to run away. Promise me. We're going
to talk about it, whatever whatever it is. And Seth
(55:30):
promises that, and then at the end of the episode
or at the end of the season, immediately runs away.
Speaker 3 (55:35):
He's such a little bitch.
Speaker 2 (55:39):
And his boat guy is Philip Curiakis on Days and
I once saw him at the Hotel del Coronado, the
guy he's going to buy the boat from Seth. Yeah,
the guy at the dock. Yeah. Yeah. He played a
character named Philip Curiakis on days. He was on days
for a long time, days, four lives and one time.
One time we were in the bar at the Hotel
Dell when he was there.
Speaker 3 (56:00):
That's hilarious.
Speaker 2 (56:02):
Random celebrity meeting, totally random celebrity sighting I saw. I
saw him there. And then my other random celebrity sightings
I saw both of them were at Brooks Brothers in
uh in Beverly Hills. I saw Ben Kingsley and I
saw the guy who played Peter Petrelli on Heroes. He
(56:28):
was like, no, he was like the skinny guy with
the shaggy mop of dark hair. His brother was the
mayor or the councilman or the congressman or whatever. Shoot,
I can't remember. My little Ventimiglia is his name? Okay, Yeah,
he was buying. He was buying some weird he was
weirdly buying jewelry at at Brooks Brothers. It was very strange.
(56:52):
I don't know what was going on there, but yeah,
so that's that's my it's the extent of my celebrit.
Speaker 3 (57:01):
Oh. Yeah, I'm trying to say Ben's Kingsley was. Did
you get to talk to him?
Speaker 2 (57:08):
No, he would I didn't want to bother him. He
was there by himself and looking at looking at clothing,
and I didn't want to bother him. I was just
like I saw him and I go to Rachel, I go, hey,
that's Ben Kingsley over there.
Speaker 4 (57:22):
Oh, speaking of like I had a run in, not
a run in, but just because I like you passed
away recently, Bill Walton.
Speaker 3 (57:29):
I remember meeting him at UH like I.
Speaker 4 (57:33):
Was sitting at it was the Long Beach Airport and
I was seeing at a bar and he comes up
to be like behind me, and he was trying to
get a drink and I turned around and like you
look up to this guy, you know, like he's a
seventh foot or whatever. And I looked at him, and
he looks at me and like you hey, you know,
like not even say anything, but just the nod.
Speaker 2 (57:55):
Yeah, like I am who you think I am?
Speaker 3 (58:00):
Yeah, exactly, That's exactly what it was.
Speaker 2 (58:02):
So, yeah, he's a cool guy, or he was a
cool guy. I I have seen him a few times.
I've been at I've been at multiple concerts that he's
been at, not too far away from me. And then
I was on a flight one time from UH San
Diego to New York and he was when I was
on the bulkhead and coach. I was in the first
(58:23):
row of coach and he was in the last row
of first class uh uh corner on the opposite aisle,
And so I just sat there and he was there
the whole flight and then and then when the when
the plane let out, you know, he stands up and
he can't stand up inside the plane. He has to
like bend his head down. Yeah.
Speaker 4 (58:43):
He was like a really well known as one of
those Grateful Dead like a deadhead and uh like because
they're like out here there there have a residency, the Grateful.
Speaker 3 (58:56):
And like Dead company.
Speaker 4 (58:59):
Yeah, so they set up like a like every once
in a while to flash him on the on the sphere.
Speaker 3 (59:07):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (59:08):
Yeah, I saw him at both times. I was at
the Paul McCartney shows in San Diego. I've seen him there.
I saw him there and we went we got we
got we got sound check tickets one year for that
and he was there at the sound check too, So
it was like it was like me and like two
hundred and fifty other people and there's Bill Walton was like,
(59:30):
that's pretty cool. Yeah, and he's just you know, he's
just doing his wavy, gravy grooven thing you know during
the concert, probably the mushrooms or ayahuascar.
Speaker 3 (59:43):
Yeah he's a acid or whatever.
Speaker 2 (59:45):
Huh yeah, ye, all right, well I think that about
covers it, so, so thank you for listening.
Speaker 1 (59:54):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (59:54):
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They'll be available to be released. Check our twitter feed
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You're right right back where I's got it from my flowers,
my flowers room in the spring, next morning, that dawning
burning and everything.
Speaker 2 (00:15):
This is groundless Newport oc Rewatch podcast. This is a
podcast where we watch every episode of the OC and
then come on here and talk about it. I'm Chris Thattman.
Speaker 3 (00:28):
Is Randy Man.
Speaker 4 (00:30):
I don't even know where we're at as far as
in these episodes as where this intro is.
Speaker 2 (00:37):
Well, this is This is the intro for episode three
of three of season one of the oct THEOC, a
show about banging girls from modern day and uci.
Speaker 4 (00:51):
Yeah, you know, one thing we hardly saw actually now
to think about it, because you had mentioned the the
different races in the in the u C. And I
remember what you see, Irvine used to be standard U
see I of the University of Chinese Immigrants.
Speaker 3 (01:10):
So don't hardly any.
Speaker 2 (01:12):
Asians, No, No, just the just the the headmaster for
the school or whatever, the prince right.
Speaker 3 (01:20):
Yeah, doctor, I forgot what her names?
Speaker 2 (01:23):
Yeah, whatever, we never see We see her like in
two episodes and then she's never even She's just like
that Rachel character. She just disappears. And I'm pretty sure
in season three rolls around. I'm pretty sure she gets
replaced also because she doesn't make an appearance in season two.
Speaker 3 (01:40):
So that's right. And then that's like the housekeeper also.
Speaker 2 (01:46):
Yes, exactly, the housekeeper shows up to look disapprovingly at
Seth like twice and then never never appears again. There's
a bleak references made to her. Let's see who else
we got. We got Seth Cohen And for Seth, I've
(02:06):
just got I've got this because I think it it
It sort of fits.
Speaker 3 (02:11):
Brothers don't shake hands, brothers got.
Speaker 2 (02:14):
A bug, and Seth's the sess the brother or the uh.
Seth is the only child who's been looking for a
brother his whole life, and Ryan moves in and all
of a sudden, He's got a brother, and he doesn't
know what to do with himself. He's also entirely self obsessed, narcissistic, arrogant.
(02:38):
There's a lot of problems with Seth.
Speaker 4 (02:42):
Now do you think Seth actually develops as a character
as much as say, I don't know, like Summer over
the course of the series.
Speaker 2 (02:52):
Seth pretty much is the exact same character at the
end of the series that he was at the beginning
of the series. Yeah, And I don't know if that's
you know, because look that the Josh Schwartz says that
the character of Seth was based on him, And I
don't know if that's because of that, that the show
that's based on him, and so he wrote it the
same the whole time, or if it's based on Brody,
(03:15):
Adam Brody not wanting to evolve the way he played
the character. There was you know, there's a lot of
smoke that's thrown in Adam Brodie's general direction by the
rest of the cast. It's not like aggressively thrown, but
it's definitely hinted that he wasn't super psyched about being there,
(03:36):
starting in about season two, that he sort of mailed
in his performance, especially starting in season three. He would
show up, read his lines and leave and like, yeah,
mis rehearsals, and like, there's there's a lot of smoke
being thrown in his direction and and everything that I've
read and every and when I listened to his quote,
when I when I listened to his quotes in the book, man,
(03:59):
he's sounded like such an insufferable douche bag.
Speaker 4 (04:04):
I wonder if that falls the timeline when he was
banging Rachel, you know, like Rachel.
Speaker 2 (04:12):
Summer yeah life. Yeah yeah, but about by about halfway
through the first season, they were actually dating in real life,
and they didn't break up until yeah, I think it
was like season four that they broke up. So they
were dating throughout the whole thing. And she, you know,
(04:33):
she you listen to her talk in the in the
book and she sort of apologizes for him over and
over again, like explaining away kind of what a dick
he is and and you know, kind of apologizing for
it and saying, but you know, that's just brody. We
love him, and it sounds like he's a jerk. But yeah,
(04:55):
you know him from Gilmore Girls, from the League, for
a few other pretty good but not great movies.
Speaker 1 (05:03):
You know.
Speaker 2 (05:03):
He he He talks a lot in the book about
how he wants to he wants to do the projects
he wants to do, and he doesn't really care what
people think, and that he you know, wants to make
art and he's not really concerned with what's popular, and
he just seems like one of those guys, Okay, you know,
(05:24):
you don't get what being a celebrity is all about.
Speaker 4 (05:32):
Yeah, he and I think that uh, I mean, what
was he was in the movie Mister and Missus Smith.
Speaker 3 (05:39):
Do you remember that with Angelina Joli.
Speaker 4 (05:41):
Yeah, and he pretty much played the same character.
Speaker 2 (05:47):
That's the thing, right, And he sort of plays the
same character in the League that he plays in the OC,
just you know, with AIDS.
Speaker 3 (05:56):
And then we got to that point.
Speaker 2 (06:00):
He's there, he's their buddy Ted, he's in their league,
but he lives in he lives in California and he's
got AIDS.
Speaker 4 (06:12):
So I always think of that that song from Team America.
Everyone has a Yes, the case in the streets and
the whites in the space.
Speaker 3 (06:36):
God, those guys. Well.
Speaker 2 (06:42):
I saw over the Fourth of July weekend, Uh, something
came up with my TikTok that was in your town.
So driving up Flamingo from like the Paradise area, a
crossing Las Vegas Boulevard, there's this semi truck with this
giant thing on the back that's all fireworks, and it's
(07:03):
like fake fireworks. It's like big plastic rockets and stuff,
but it's clearly like a facade that's built over a
semi container that holds fireworks, and it's got speakers on
it blaring America. Fuck yeah, as it's driving along.
Speaker 3 (07:30):
Hilarious and it's.
Speaker 2 (07:33):
Doing it right under the sign. So the horseshoe sign
is right there, you know, at Flaming Las Vegas, Bulevard,
and the horseshoe sign has their mail review on it.
And he's wearing like a he's wearing like an American flag,
like tank top or something. It's absolutely hilarious.
Speaker 4 (08:00):
Thinking of the fourth of July, I think one of
my favorite moments in the past, like you know, during
the COVID area was that. But I think it was
like July fourth of twenty twenty in southern California.
Speaker 2 (08:10):
Oh yeah, and every like, oh you know, we're.
Speaker 3 (08:13):
Not so worried Fourth of July, everything is shut down.
Speaker 4 (08:15):
And then July fourth, that night, you all you see
it all over like La is just fireworks going all over,
Like you see that helicopter shot all over all these
illegal fireworks.
Speaker 2 (08:27):
Landing lax are coming down, like the entire like all
of Long Beaches lit up with fire.
Speaker 4 (08:33):
Yeah, that was like one of my favorite visuals of that.
Speaker 3 (08:39):
That's where they like you're America fuck yeah, you know.
Speaker 2 (08:41):
Yeah, as somebody who lives on a canyon. Every time
somebody sets off a firework. I want him to get executed.
Speaker 3 (08:50):
That's right, to get the echo and meet your house.
Speaker 2 (08:52):
It's not the echo I'm worried about. It's the burning
down half the county that I'm worried about.
Speaker 4 (09:01):
What, Like, you know, like setting explosives off, that's such
a great tradition.
Speaker 2 (09:05):
Right, yeah, exactly. Amateur explosives, Oh no, they're professional grade,
like no good ones are can you imagine? So, Like,
I think I was thinking about this over fourth of
July because I saw a video of a of an
orthopedic surgeon showing pictures of X rays of mangled hands.
(09:33):
It's like telling people don't set off fireworks, you idiots.
This is the sort of thing that happens. And I'm
thinking to myself, like, I wonder how much the average
quality of a firework has gone down in the last
thirty years, just like everything else. Right, if you think
about all the stuff you see on Amazon, now that's
just rebranded stuff that you could buy on TMU for
(09:54):
like fourteen cents and they sell it on Amazon for
three ninety nine. Like, how do you know when you're
going to a firework store that you aren't getting the
TMU firework?
Speaker 1 (10:04):
You know?
Speaker 2 (10:05):
And you're going to light the fuse and it's going
to blow up in your hand. I I get very
nervous about that these days.
Speaker 4 (10:13):
That's just like the the the every year around Thanksgiving,
you see that, Oh, don't deep fry at turkey.
Speaker 3 (10:20):
You know, demos they.
Speaker 2 (10:23):
Don't say don't deep fry a turkey.
Speaker 3 (10:27):
They say don't or you'll all die.
Speaker 2 (10:31):
What they say, maybe don't do it inside your garage
or under your car floor, or on your wooden patio, yeah,
or inside the house. Yeah yeah, also not a great idea.
And let's always remember when we do, uh frying a
turkey on Thanksgiving? What do we have to remember the
(10:52):
rule of displacement? Thank you ark, that's.
Speaker 4 (10:55):
Right, and make sure it's completely dry.
Speaker 2 (11:00):
Archimedes taught us that if you put it, test it
with water, don't test it with oil.
Speaker 3 (11:09):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (11:10):
Well yeah, because water is the best thing you can
put into boiling oil.
Speaker 2 (11:13):
Right right right, the displacement you test with oil, that's
what I mean. Yeah, I did that one time. I
did that one time, and it actually it was delightful.
I really enjoyed it. But it was such a mess
that I could never bring myself to do it again.
It's just it's such a mess. The concrete on my
(11:33):
back patio. Even though I'd put cardboard down like around
the thing, it had bubbled up enough that like it
was even beyond the cardboard and it stained my back patio.
And then getting the oil out of the the the
kettle that you cook the turkey in and like mac
into containers so you can dispose of it as a
(11:54):
gigantic you gotta use a siphon. It's a gigantic pan
in the ass. Yeah, it's uh, it's no fun.
Speaker 4 (12:02):
I think that that's the sort of thing like if
you have that, like the setup and everything that you have.
Speaker 3 (12:06):
To do, like multiple turkeys. Can't just do one.
Speaker 4 (12:08):
You have to do like, you know, everybody in the
neighborhood maybe bring your turkey over cook you know.
Speaker 2 (12:14):
Yeah, well, I mean that's the Yeah, I guess you
have to have multiple kettles going because, let me tell you,
it takes like forty five minutes to cook one of
those bad boys too.
Speaker 3 (12:23):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (12:24):
Yeah, I actually have a turkey in my reuser right
now that I'm gonna go. I'm not going to defy it,
but I bought it at Thanksgiving, and I think I'm
gonna like thaw it out and just like do like
a you know, just like a mid what is it
a summer Thanksgiving dinner?
Speaker 2 (12:38):
Some of the Thanksgiving dinner? Cool? Yeah, you get a
cater in the sides. That's what I do.
Speaker 4 (12:45):
I don't know, you know, like the COVID, like I
actually been experimenting to like doing a lot of cooking
at home, you know, like just you know, like everything
really just because I think it's uh, I don't know,
I got kind of bored of of like the stuffs,
you know when you go, like during COVID, at least
it was, oh, you have to take it to go.
You couldn't sit down and eat right, and then who
(13:05):
wants to eat like you know, or have food delivered.
Speaker 3 (13:07):
It's it's just not the same.
Speaker 2 (13:08):
Yeah, you know, so the quality drops quite a bit.
Speaker 4 (13:12):
Oh yeah, especially and it's you know, you kind of
want the whole experience, and if you know, when I
couldn't do that, I kind of I guess I kind
of trained myself out of like sitting down to eat out,
you know, like at a restaurant or something.
Speaker 2 (13:22):
I don't know, I wish I had done what you did.
I did the exact opposite. We just doubled down the
door down. Oh yeah, and I haven't broken the habit yet.
Speaker 3 (13:31):
So I've got Rachel cooks, doesn't you see her?
Speaker 2 (13:39):
But it's not that I don't eat her cooking. It's
that I don't want to restrict what she wants to
cook based on my picky eating because I eat like
a twelve year old. Right, So, mac and cheese, mac
and cheese, hot dogs, pizza.
Speaker 4 (13:56):
Hot talks are so foul, dude, I can't leave before
food grips.
Speaker 2 (14:01):
Yes, stay, hot dogs, pizza and uh and uh.
Speaker 4 (14:06):
French French fries are good.
Speaker 3 (14:10):
Yeah, just hot dogs, man, I don't know. That just
triggers me a burger. Yeah, I rather have a burger than.
Speaker 2 (14:18):
A good hot dog over a burger every single time
for me.
Speaker 3 (14:22):
I love Well, there's no such thing as a good
hot dogs.
Speaker 2 (14:26):
That's not true.
Speaker 4 (14:26):
Man.
Speaker 2 (14:27):
Snake River Farms hit us up for a sponsorship. Snake
River they make these these all beef like with the
they have, like the casing you know where they snap
when you bite them? So good? Real really, how.
Speaker 3 (14:40):
Do you do how do you do you barbecue?
Speaker 2 (14:43):
Real?
Speaker 1 (14:44):
Real?
Speaker 2 (14:44):
Simple? Just put them on the girl. Put them on
the girl. For about four minutes and roll them around
a little bit.
Speaker 3 (14:49):
Yep, you don't do it strip club style where they
put it in the.
Speaker 2 (14:52):
Water, the steamed the steam hot dog. Yeah no I don't.
Yeah I have done so, Like you can like put
them in beer. You can like warm up beer on
the stove and boil your hot dog and beer. People
do that with like polish sausage and stuff like that.
(15:15):
But yeah, I don't do that much with hot dogs.
But but yeah, I just I like them real simple,
real real simple. Just the hot dog on a on
a nice bun, a pretzel bun if I can get one,
and and uh you know, nice snap. It's really real good.
Snake River Farms hot dogs are fantastic. Go get them
all beef once.
Speaker 4 (15:32):
I think I had like one of the order for
like a steak or two from them, like a long
time ago.
Speaker 3 (15:37):
They're they're good.
Speaker 4 (15:38):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (15:38):
They supply a lot of those steak places, a lot
of the nicer restaurants around here. Oh yeah, and like
when you go to like like a higher end grocery
store here and buy their their prime beef, it's usually
Snake River Farms beef too.
Speaker 3 (15:53):
Okay cool, So yeah.
Speaker 2 (15:56):
Hit us up for a sponsorship with Love One. I'll
rave about the product all day. So okay, well that's Seth.
So let's let's get back to Let's get back to Seth.
I've got I've got some notes on Seth's character here.
He's obsessed with a girl he's never spoken to. That's
a red flag. Uh, He's like, what is it?
Speaker 3 (16:20):
The only fan subscriber, He's the target demograph.
Speaker 2 (16:23):
I think he's the target demo for an only fan subscriber. Yeah,
he's like, he's he has big in cell energy.
Speaker 4 (16:33):
It kind of you know what like it's it's he's
lucky that he ran into Ryan because he would be
he would be like inself.
Speaker 3 (16:42):
Like if he never if he never came across Is
or came across Brian.
Speaker 2 (16:46):
So yeah, he's such a he's so you know, he's
so focused on how everybody else mistreats him, and he
doesn't try to do anything to like sort of change
how other people perceive him. Yeah, he just plays into
their worst expectations of him. And and you know, it's
presented sort of as a hey, he's going to be
himself and if people don't like him, then whatever. But
(17:09):
I don't think that that's really what's going through his head.
He thinks he's smarter than they are, he thinks he's
more capable than they are. He's an arrogant jerk.
Speaker 4 (17:16):
I think he's basically you're saying that, he's like, yeah,
he's his character like.
Speaker 2 (17:23):
Seth is, like, oh, yeah, Seth is a little bit
like Adam, and Adam's a little bit like Seth. Yeah,
there's probably an overlap there. Yeah, you know, he hates
life in Newport, but it's only because he doesn't understand
the real world. He's never been exposed to like adversity,
so he doesn't He's like, oh, this place is the worst,
(17:43):
but but he doesn't know that, Like people are poor,
and you would think that with the dad he's got
that he would be better about that sort of thing,
but he's not. He is just as I mean, it's
it's he presents an interesting foil to summer, right because
because he's just as spoiled and kind of ignorant as
(18:03):
she is. But it's played very differently.
Speaker 4 (18:08):
Yeah, I think that's fair. Yeah, because she is I mean,
she knows that. She like she even said so, I'm
like so many levels hotter than Seth.
Speaker 3 (18:17):
Cohen.
Speaker 4 (18:18):
You know, like she even says that in the thing,
so she's she's very self aware, right, yes, but yeah,
Seth is definitely not.
Speaker 2 (18:28):
Not at all self aware and yeah, and so so
focused on himself too. And you know, they turn it
into a joke about I don't know about two thirds
of the way through the season and they sort of
turned it into a joke of Seth like constantly saying,
let's focus back on what I want to talk about
or whatever. But by that point, by the time they
start acknowledging it as like, oh, this is funny. Ha ha,
(18:50):
this is a joke. It's not funny anymore.
Speaker 4 (18:53):
Yeah, a little late on the yeah, on the uptake.
Speaker 2 (18:57):
But I do remember loving, absolutely loving his character when
I watched this show the first time. So, you know,
I don't know if that represents me getting different as
I've gotten older or you know what, but maybe just
not aging very well.
Speaker 4 (19:13):
Yeah, well I think it's the first It's like the
first time that you saw whatever, you know, the first
time you saw Jessica Alba in a swimsuit, or you know,
you're fascinating, right.
Speaker 2 (19:25):
You're constantly chasing that dragon, chasing.
Speaker 4 (19:28):
That dragon, just like any addache, it doesn't effect isn't
the same more time.
Speaker 3 (19:33):
To do it.
Speaker 2 (19:38):
Yeah, that's a good analogy. I like that. You could
substitute a couple other things in there for that that
I want to talk about them. So well, you mentioned Summer.
Let's talk about Summer for a minute. So Summer is
a mean girl with a heart of gold, but she's
not originally meant to be. So her character was not
meant to be a member of the quote unquot quote
(20:00):
four the Ryan Marissa Seth Summer. She was always sort
of meant to be on the outside of that group
and never meant to be one of their friends, more
of a foil to them. And they brought her in
and they saw, you know, they did the first few episodes,
and they saw how good she was, and they saw
how much fans liked her, and they were like, well,
(20:21):
we can't waste her. So they immediately brought her in
as a series regular after that, and the rest is history.
She's in every ninety two She was in all ninety
two episodes.
Speaker 4 (20:29):
So yeah, she's probably the most developed and she actually
she's probably my favorite out of the four as far
as like, yeah.
Speaker 2 (20:37):
Yeah, she's she's great, and I think she's great in
season two, three and four. I think she's a little
undeveloped in season one, I really do, but I do.
I do still like her better than pretty much the
other the rest of the other core four I think, Yeah,
(20:58):
I think Ryan does a better job acting, but I
don't necessarily like his character. I think his character has
got some pretty serious flaws we'll talk about. Yeah, and Marissa,
of course is just gloomy Guss and so it's hard
to hard to be around Marissa.
Speaker 3 (21:15):
Well yeah, well I don't even know, you know, because
because locks trump a lot of things you.
Speaker 4 (21:22):
Can overthrow to see a lot of flaws.
Speaker 3 (21:26):
But I think like her. Marissa's character is definitely the
one who has to drive a lot of the.
Speaker 4 (21:32):
First season story, right, So so I don't know, I'll
give her a pass as far as you know, because
she's put in a difficult position having to do that.
Speaker 3 (21:44):
But you see right away that.
Speaker 4 (21:45):
She does have problems, like problems that even though she
has a storybook life, it looks like a storybook life
that's basically crumbling around her in the first season.
Speaker 2 (21:55):
Yeah, substance problems and you're you're absolutely right, she's got
a lot going on, and they asked a lot of
a seventeen year old girl to portray.
Speaker 3 (22:07):
That the youngest out of all four of those.
Speaker 2 (22:10):
Yeah, yeah, exactly what we're gonna do is we're gonna
give you the most difficult issues to deal with, and
everybody else just gets to have a good time.
Speaker 3 (22:20):
It's all on you.
Speaker 2 (22:21):
You get to deal with the uh the suicide and
drug overdose and substance abuse problems and stalker and all that.
You're gonna deal with all that and uh yeah yeah.
Speaker 4 (22:33):
Yeah, I mean even down the road thinking like just
like her, like being the huh.
Speaker 2 (22:40):
Okay, let's see, Well we've got Seth and Summer. Should
we talk about Seth and Summer for a little bit.
So we haven't really talked about them very much. So
so you got Summer, who is uh, the mean girl,
but she's got a heart of gold. She doesn't even
know really who Seth Cohen is. Seth is obsessed with her.
He's named his boat after her. He's you know, completely
and totally infatuated with her and has been for years,
(23:03):
and eventually he sort of starts to erode. He's he's
he can be endearing and cute when he's not being annoying,
and so eventually he sort of manages to break her
walls down a little bit and she finds herself actually
sort of interested in him. And as soon as that happens,
(23:23):
Anna Stern shows up. And Anna is basically like a
cool version of Seth. Right. She likes things like comic
books and she calls them graphic novels in anime. And
she's like the manic She's the manic pixie dream girl, right,
She's she's sort of that character. And that immediately makes
(23:45):
Uh Summer jealous, of course, and and the jealousy really
makes her understand sort of how much she likes Seth Cohen.
Speaker 3 (23:54):
But then Seth, which is which is the proper way.
Speaker 2 (23:57):
To that's the that's the method, last way to do it.
Speaker 4 (24:02):
Yes, yes, you arouse jealousy the perspective partner exactly.
Speaker 2 (24:09):
That's the best way to find out if they're really
interested in you is make them jealous.
Speaker 4 (24:14):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (24:14):
Even Anna recognizes that.
Speaker 2 (24:16):
Yeah, no, she does, she does, and she encourages it. Right,
That's that's absolutely right, and and well, and then Seth
thinks she's encouraging it when sometimes she's actually interested in
Seth herself. Right, there's that scene at the carnival where
she kisses him and he's like, oh, that's a great
way to make Summer jealous, and she's like, oh, yeah,
that's what I definitely meant to do.
Speaker 4 (24:41):
I mean, if you looked at Seth as far as
like what you know of him at that point, at
that point of the season, would there be wouldn't he
be like girl repellent?
Speaker 3 (24:50):
You would know?
Speaker 4 (24:51):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (24:52):
I mean he's a good looking guy. That's sort of
the one thing that saves him is that he's a
really good looking guy.
Speaker 3 (24:58):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (24:58):
I think if he weren't as good looking, he would
he would just be a complete pariah. Like yeah, yeah,
you give somebody Seth's personality and you make him ugly
or fat, and they are no one will ever talk
to him, Like like Ryan would have been going out
of his way to leave him at home.
Speaker 4 (25:19):
Yeah, he would have said, oh uh, you know, like Summer, Hey,
Summer invited us to that that house party or whatever.
Speaker 3 (25:27):
Nope, No, he would have left her.
Speaker 4 (25:29):
Like left him in the at that the reception that
it hopted the truck the back of the truck.
Speaker 2 (25:34):
That's exactly right. And and by the way, when Summers
showed that she was interested in Ryan, he would have
shown that he was interested in her in return instead
of deferring Seth.
Speaker 4 (25:45):
Yeah, yeah, which is that's that was a bro on
his u on Ryan's part, as far as like, yeah, yeah, so, I.
Speaker 2 (25:54):
Mean Ryan's a very very good friend. Ryan, he is
an excellent friend. He may be a little too good
of a friend because he's willing to, you know, commit
crimes and beat people up right or died, that's right. Yeah,
It's like Ryan's the Ryan's the only one who thinks
he's in a motorcycle gang with everybody.
Speaker 4 (26:18):
Everybody wants to be a gangster until it's time to
do gangster.
Speaker 2 (26:23):
Ryan. It's like, I'm down for the gangster sh everybody
wants what's that from? Everybody wants to be a gangster
until it's time to do gangster ship? Was that from
something or did you.
Speaker 3 (26:33):
Just I mean I've heard it before. I don't know
where it came.
Speaker 2 (26:36):
From because I like that. I haven't heard that before.
I like that a lot. But but yeah, so so
there's a lot of drama between between Summer and and Seth.
Throughout the season. There's you know, there's this what I
thought at the time was sort of a very endearing
when they finally do get together after Anna moves back
(26:57):
to Pittsburgh, and after Seth and Summer are together and
they're going to have start having sex, there's this this
scene where they have bad sex because of course they do, right,
they're not experienced, I don't know what they're doing. It happens,
right everybody, And and they sort of abstain from sex
for a while, or they agree to abstain from sex
(27:19):
for a while, but it lasts all of like three minutes,
and then they're banging on the regular. Yeah, and then
and then there's the great there's a great moment. I
really did enjoy how when Seth goes on a sex strike,
like immediately Summer's hilariously cock starved, Like the moment one
(27:39):
the minute, Like it's really really funny, well done. I
would again, not one of the things you would have
expected from a show about high school's kids.
Speaker 4 (27:50):
Right yeah, Well, if you think about how much the
horribones are going through you at.
Speaker 2 (27:56):
That time, right yeah, yeah, absolutely as.
Speaker 4 (28:02):
Yeah, and it's not even just the women, like the
girls are going through that too.
Speaker 2 (28:09):
Yeah, the dudes are portrayed and that's that's kind of
why I like this, right, because usually it's the dudes
being portrayed as you know, mindlessly horny or whatever. And
in this case it's Summer. Right. You never you never
see a character in high school who looks like Summer
roberts On on UH on TV being mindlessly horny. But
(28:35):
but I do you know there there are multiple times
where like, okay, so he has lunch with UH, he
has lunch with there with her dad, and it goes poorly,
and so Summer sort of quasi half breaks up with
them a little bit. And you know, Seth has every
dork's dilemma and he and he has this over and
over again throughout the show where it's like, oh, do
(28:57):
I force the confrontation or do I just be whiny
and passive aggressive until she realizes what a catch I am? Right,
It's he's always kind of in that situation. He always
chooses to be whiny and passive aggressive.
Speaker 4 (29:11):
Yeah, which once again it doesn't make sense, Like it
doesn't make sense for her for for Summer.
Speaker 2 (29:19):
No right, it's the same thing as Kirsten with with
Jimmy Cooper, right, Yeah, like what what is he got
to offer, and Summer sort of treats it like an
infection or like, you know, it's it's almost like it's
this inconvenient sort of fixation she has and she just
needs to to rid herself of it. She has the
(29:40):
self help therapy or whatever that she does.
Speaker 3 (29:43):
That's right.
Speaker 2 (29:46):
I do like how it's basically like it's an STD
essentially that she's contracted from Seth, is that she's sort
of addicted to him now.
Speaker 3 (29:56):
She infected him.
Speaker 2 (30:00):
Exactly. Yeah, so yes, there we get rid of it.
And then there's another I gotta tell you, you know,
the Sandy Cohen is a purve sort of moments. There's
this in in towards sort of towards the the end
of the season. It's in what it's in the Teresa arc.
(30:23):
Sandy makes makes a reference after you know, he's figured
out that that he's he's banging Summer and Sandy makes
this thinly veiled pussy eating reference to his teenage kid.
And I don't have a clip of it. I wish
I'd gone back and pulled it because it's absolutely wild.
(30:44):
Here make a make a pussy eating joke to his
to his teenage son talking about a teenage girl. It's
really bizarre, really, but the whole tribulations of how to
do good sex that he goes through are so so
much less entertaining and charming than I remember them being.
(31:05):
I found it immediately annoying and not not funny, even
totally awkward. Yeah yeah, yeah, totally awkward. But all right,
let's see anything else on Seth and Summer.
Speaker 4 (31:19):
Now.
Speaker 2 (31:20):
You know, we know Seth leaves at the end of
the at the end of the season, leaves notes behind,
but we don't know sort of what what his situation
is with with Summer because they they are sort of
sort of a question mark where they're at. Also, so okay,
so we talked about we talked about Julie and Luke.
(31:41):
Maybe we should talk about Julian Caleb. Yeah, so there's
they They have two sort of arcs, right. They have
the first arc where they're seeing each other kind of
on the d L at the same time that Julie's
sort of seeing Luke, and then they have a rekindling
(32:08):
later when Caleb proposes. They get married like two weeks
after he proposes, and it never is really clear why
Caleb proposes to Julie of all people, and gets married
so quickly, like it never, it never has a sufficiently
(32:28):
good explanation to me.
Speaker 4 (32:33):
I think that the problem is is that it's his
daughter's best friend, you know, like it's that's an issue, right,
I mean, he's.
Speaker 2 (32:46):
Just yeah, I mean I guess Julie Cooper sort of
her best friend. I suppose. Yeah, it's weird. It's definitely
weird that he would be doing that, and and of
course it's very very awkward for Kirsten we I actually
have I actually have a little bit of a clip
here that that I want to play. I didn't I
(33:06):
didn't have many many clips of the of the show
at all, but one of them is this one where
Seth kind of riffs a little bit on what the
familiar relationships are going to look like after this wedding happens.
Speaker 4 (33:19):
You've got your love life straightened out, I think it
might be time to take a step back and untangle
this incestuous web that I like to call the Julie
Caleb union.
Speaker 3 (33:28):
Now, let's think about this. When this bizarro kno gets tied,
Julie Cooper is going to be your mother in law.
Oh yeah, enjoy it's gonna be your stepmom.
Speaker 1 (33:37):
Seth.
Speaker 3 (33:37):
My head is spinning. Yea, me and Marisa, we could
be related.
Speaker 1 (33:40):
I don't know.
Speaker 3 (33:41):
I can't even do that math.
Speaker 4 (33:42):
But the real kicker is Julie Cooper.
Speaker 3 (33:45):
My grandma. My grandma works out to think about it,
I have about it.
Speaker 2 (33:50):
And and Juicy's wet Pants.
Speaker 3 (33:53):
That's such a two thousand and four.
Speaker 2 (33:55):
Right, very much. I'm pretty sure the Juicy stores are
all closed now, but I do remember when the man
they started opening those in the higher end walls, you know. Yeah,
they had one in Caesar's Palace in that in that
forum shops for a while.
Speaker 3 (34:17):
Oh yeah, was it like next to where Pete Rose
used to sign yep.
Speaker 2 (34:20):
Yep, No, that's exactly That's exactly where it was on
the little ramp on the way up to the round area. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
that's exactly. That's funny. Yeah, and so so yeah. They
they end up getting married in the in the final
episode of the season, which is Which is Wild, and
(34:40):
they have Sandy is is Caleb's best man, which made
me ask the question of is is Sandy's Sandy Caleb's
only friend? Because it's weird having your son in law
who you don't agree with or get along with as
your best man. That's very strange.
Speaker 4 (34:57):
Yeah, yeah, well Caleb is should be a guy who
has just like multiple just like because he's, you know,
a very powerful man in the in.
Speaker 3 (35:07):
The in the series, and he can't get he can't
get somebody else.
Speaker 2 (35:13):
I know, I know, it's wild. It's very strange. And
there's this whole thing when they're planning for the wedding too,
of like they're they're booking, They're looking at these absurd
ridiculous venues and I'm like, you, guys are getting married
in two weeks. How do you expect to be able
to book these venues? There's just no way. That's not
the way it works.
Speaker 3 (35:32):
What is it?
Speaker 4 (35:33):
Is the because I've never planned a wedding, but I think,
isn't it like you have to plan at least a
year ahead of time or something like that? Is that right?
Speaker 1 (35:40):
Is?
Speaker 2 (35:40):
The people? I think will tell you now that it's
more like two because the venues have these huge long
waiting lists now because there is a bunch of pent
up demand from like twenty twenty to twenty twenty two,
and and that's still trying to burn that off. The books.
Speaker 3 (35:57):
Well, yeah, so I think that Uh.
Speaker 4 (36:00):
Yeah, it's amazing how the timeline compress and you get
all this stunne in a week.
Speaker 3 (36:05):
You know.
Speaker 2 (36:07):
Yes, I also like that because Jimmy, Jimmy eventually decides
to leave, right, So Jimmy Cooper decides to leave because
of the or or he's thinking about leaving when when
Julie is getting married, because he doesn't really know what
he has left for him in Newport, and eventually it
becomes Haley. And we'll talk about Haley and Jimmy a
little bit. But I did like how both Michael Bluth
(36:30):
and Millhouse's dad have Phoenix as their fallback option. I'm
gonna go to Phoenix. Oh okay, well I'm sure that'll be
successful this time. Let's see what else did I want
to talk about with with Julie and Caleb, I just
(36:52):
I don't understand the gruesome to something, right, It's it
just doesn't make any sense to me why they're together.
And I get that, you know, he's interested in her
because she's young and attractive. Right, she would be thirty
four because she had Marissa when she was eighteen, so
she would be with Marissa sixteen. She's thirty four now,
(37:12):
so she's pretty young. Yeah, but I don't know. It
still feels weird, like so the you know, maybe she
is the mast of you. Yeah, you know, maybe I'm
wrong about that starfish thing, right, Yeah, I could I
could be I could be wrong.
Speaker 3 (37:29):
She rocks his world.
Speaker 2 (37:31):
Well, there's a there's a reference later where they say that,
uh oh, where they're playing video games. The kids are
playing video games, and somebody said Marissa Cooper says that
she knows how to wheeled saber. It's like, I wonder
if she earned that from her mom.
Speaker 3 (37:49):
That's pretty good.
Speaker 2 (37:50):
Yeah, but I looked up so I looked up the
real life age differences. So so like I was thinking about, like, oh,
what's the what's the real life age difference between Luke
and Julie and Caleb and Julie and which is way
more creepy. And because the show goes out of its
way to mention that Luke is eighteen, they have to
do that, like could they could have a scenario or
(38:12):
Julie was literally molesting at.
Speaker 3 (38:15):
This statutory of sexual assault, so.
Speaker 2 (38:19):
They couldn't have that, so they had to go out
of their way to say that Luke is eighteen. The
actors though Luke The actor wh plays Luke was born
in nineteen eighty and the actor who plays Julie was
born in nineteen sixty nine, so they're eleven years apart.
In real life, he's, you know, twenty twenty four and
she is thirty five when the series is being filmed. Yeah,
(38:45):
and then so not at all creepy, right conceptually, at
least like a twenty four year old or a thirty
five year old. I mean, like, especially if it's a
man with an older woman, you don't feel like that's dynamic.
There's no power dynamic problem there.
Speaker 3 (39:02):
Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (39:03):
Caleb and Julie Caleb born in nineteen forty seven, Julie
born in nineteen sixty nine, So he's twenty two years
older than her. So twice he's twice as older than
her as she is than Luke, if that makes sense, right,
So it feels way less creepy for Luke and Julie,
(39:24):
aside from the fact that he's her daughter's or her
daughter's ex boyfriend and take her of her virginity. It
feels way less, way less creepy than the Caleb Jewlie thing, right, Yeah.
Speaker 4 (39:36):
Yeah, but I don't see I I don't think that
it's you know, there is that power dynamic and everything else.
But I mean, is it really that creepy for Caleb
to want to you know, like bag the thirty four
year old or whatever, no versus, you know.
Speaker 2 (39:53):
No, no, I don't think I'm just analogizing them to
each other. Right, Like if we if we are going
to call Julie sleeping with Luke creepy, which I'm not.
I'm just saying that that. You know, some people probably
viewed it as that or inappropriate.
Speaker 3 (40:09):
Definitely inappropriate. Yeah, yeah, And you add the context of
her daughter's ex boyfriend.
Speaker 2 (40:16):
Right right, right, you lay all that in, it gets
really really bad. Right. But but alone, he's a high
school kid, he's eighteen years old, so then she's a mother.
It's it's it's scandalous at the very least.
Speaker 3 (40:30):
What do you mean, like I see it.
Speaker 4 (40:31):
I'm these stories about teachers like molesting their kids, their
students all the.
Speaker 2 (40:35):
Time, right, that's a time honored tradition. Well, I mean, look,
let's let's acknowledge the fact that you have sort of
outside the mainstream of society there in Las Vegas.
Speaker 3 (40:47):
That's true. Maybe it's Las Vegas has corrupted my mind
that's right.
Speaker 2 (40:53):
You You no longer think that it's weird for a
sixty year old man to walk around with a twenty
five year old girl.
Speaker 4 (41:01):
Dude, I'd had more than a couple of instances where
like I'm just like standing there and uh and like
some older dude is obviously you know, like with this
one guy one specific east is I was like standing
outside like that Brazilian steakhouse.
Speaker 3 (41:16):
In down in town Center. Okay, this older guy comes
up and hey, is this place pretty good? Yeah? I'm
here with my daughter and is obviously not his daughter.
Speaker 2 (41:29):
Yeah, I know exactly what you mean. I was at
a lot of Delray concert at the Hollywood ball and
I was sitting in some very nice seats, and immediately
in front of me were even nicer seats, and there
was a gentleman there who had to be at least
sixty years old, who was with a woman who couldn't
have been a day over nineteen, not a day.
Speaker 3 (41:53):
Yeah, I mean at that point, I don't know. I mean,
it's creepy.
Speaker 2 (41:58):
It is, it is, and you know, but but it does,
it does the old joke, right, Why are you telling me?
I'm telling everybody, So, yeah, it's it's interesting. I just
I just thought it was I thought it would be
fun to highlight the sort of age difference between the
actors in this instance that in real life. Yeah, as
(42:22):
opposed to the show. I think in the show it's
like even more stark, right, Yeah, because I think that
she's meant to be thirty four, so there's only like
sixteen years between her and Luke, and I think Caleb's
meant to be significantly older.
Speaker 3 (42:36):
So yeah, yeah, so.
Speaker 2 (42:39):
All right, well, let's let's see. I don't think I
had anything else on Julie and Caleb.
Speaker 4 (42:49):
Can we talk about that about the Well, I guess
we liked the season opener for season two, the scream Marissa.
Speaker 2 (43:00):
She feels, oh, the scream. Yeah, no, I think we said.
I think we saved that for the next set of Yeah, okay, yeah,
that's kind of that famous moment. That's really something else.
Speaker 3 (43:11):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (43:11):
I just started watching season two, so I'm not not
quite there yet, but I do remember when she turns
over the pool furniture. Yeah, there's a there's a moment
where they talk about that in the book.
Speaker 3 (43:25):
I think I would dub that Howard the Howard Jean scream.
Speaker 2 (43:28):
It's pretty close. Yeah, yeah, it's pretty close. Yeah, Yeah,
you feel bad for her because they told her to
do that. So that's that. We'll we'll talk about it.
We'll talk about that when we get there. But yeah,
I was trying to figure out, So Jimmy and Sandy
buy this restaurant together and neither one of them knows
anything about running a restaurant, where did they get the
money for this? Like we've established that that Sandy doesn't
(43:52):
make much money. This is after he took the job
at the law firm. But even if he took the
job at law firm, he's still only making a few
hundred thousand dollars a year. We find out that the
end that they have one point two to five million
into the place, and Caleb buys it from him from
three so they end up splitting like one point seventy
five in profit. Right, But it's like, where did you
(44:16):
guys come up with one point twenty five to put
into that restaurant? It doesn't make any sense at all,
Like you don't have I mean, we know Jimmy doesn't
have any of that money laying around. We know that
they're not going to be able to get a loan
with Jimmy's felonies. I mean, potentially, you think Kirston's going
(44:37):
to float Sandy a million so he can invest in
a restaurant that she thinks is not a great idea.
Speaker 5 (44:43):
That he knows nothing about running about he has nothing
about running, Like the only thing he knows is, you know,
he wants to make it serve as mom's meat loaf,
and Jimmy wants that's a meat.
Speaker 2 (44:55):
Loaf at a restaurant. Come on, it's wrong with you people.
Speaker 3 (45:01):
I mean, he's not a family diner. That's like, it's
going to be a what's it called, like a high
end restaurant.
Speaker 2 (45:08):
Right, It's a gourmet place. It's a it's a place
people go for their anniversary. You're not going to serve.
Speaker 3 (45:15):
Meat loaf. It's just the degradation of civilization.
Speaker 2 (45:25):
And and and then Caleb basically rips them off and
and because of that, you know, Jimmy punches him out.
But but it's all forgiven by the end of the
season because they ruined they ruined his deal that he
was going to sell the property, and they ruined that
so cost everybody millions of dollars. And no, there's no
hard feelings and that's the second time, by the way,
(45:49):
that that they've thwarted Caleb's plans to make millions of
dollars because it happened earlier in the season when he
was going to sell the land back to the county. Yeah,
and Sandy, Sandy derailed those plans directly, directly leading to
him going broken season two.
Speaker 4 (46:08):
I was gonna say that, like Kim's really that good
had money and managing money either.
Speaker 2 (46:15):
It's easy to manage money when you have a lot
of it.
Speaker 3 (46:19):
Yeah, what is that joke? How do you make a
small fortune? You start with a big one?
Speaker 2 (46:23):
That's exactly right. Yeah, how do you make how do
you make a million dollars in the restaurant business? You
start with ten?
Speaker 3 (46:28):
Yep, yep, yep. Yeah. Well, you know, like I don't know,
have you have you gone? Well, you you go, you
order out a lot?
Speaker 4 (46:41):
Have you like the prices on just like going where
did I go today? I went to I went to
Chipotle and I just got like what did I get?
Speaker 3 (46:50):
I got like a bowl with.
Speaker 4 (46:52):
Extra meat and some chips in glock and uh and
it was like.
Speaker 3 (46:56):
Thirty something bucks for.
Speaker 2 (47:01):
Like Jesus, I got to I got two meals, you know,
a burger and fries for me and a burger and
fries and a frosty for Rachel. At Wendy's yesterday or
the day before Friday. It was thirty dollars. God what
And that was me going to the store and buying
(47:21):
the food like that was that was their bottom bottom
line price. It was. There was no delivery fee, there
was no mark up for being an app or anything
like that. It was it was just thirty dollars. That
was just thirty and a large fry, a small fry,
and a small frosty.
Speaker 3 (47:38):
Okay, oh yeah, so you're doing you can get like
drink like soft breaks or nope. God yeah, that's nuts, man,
nuts because weddies used to be they used to do
like that.
Speaker 2 (47:48):
It was the big menu, right, that was there. That
was their thing they had. You could get like like
nuggets for ninety nine cents.
Speaker 3 (47:56):
And yeah, yeah, those days are gone.
Speaker 2 (48:00):
Dollar menu's gone to McDonald's. I remember from Redford Nickel.
Speaker 3 (48:08):
I do remember.
Speaker 4 (48:09):
Actually I do remember thirty five so like it was
like twenty five cent Hamburgers and thirty five cent cheeseburgers
McDonald's back in the day.
Speaker 2 (48:18):
Yeah, that was, Yeah, that would have been. Yeah, that
would have been a while ago.
Speaker 3 (48:21):
Yeah, yeah, those days are long gone. No, I think
that was. No, Actually, I think that would have been
like early two thousands if I remember. Really, Yeah, I remember.
Speaker 2 (48:31):
I remember they had the cheeseburger on the dollar menu.
It was ninety nine cents. I remember that being a
big deal. But jeez, I know not anymore. I was.
I saw a thing on on my TikTok feed or
whatever where it had prices for like in like twenty
nineteen versus prices today, and the McDonald's stuff had all
gone up like one hundred and forty percent or whatever.
(48:53):
So it's not it's not inflation. It's it's more than that.
There's more to it than that yoga lottis we have.
I just wanted to mention yogo lotts because there's that
great episode where Sandy says it like fifteen times and
uh you know that was that was apparently that was
his idea to do that.
Speaker 4 (49:13):
So yeah, yeah, well that whole that was like one
of those like the first seed in the episode or yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2 (49:19):
They opened the opening scenes. The cold opens are are
really really good. There's there's another cold open that I
thought was, Oh, the opening montage. This is where, let's
say the show is more artistically relevant than it gets
credit for. The opening montage showing how annoyed, annoying Haley
is to their day to day routine when she's there
kind of interfering in their ability to get ready for
(49:39):
work and school in the morning. It's really yeah, it's
really well.
Speaker 3 (49:43):
That's well done.
Speaker 4 (49:44):
Yeah yeah, yeah, because like I think she's like eating
the bagel.
Speaker 2 (49:47):
Yeah, it's entirely silent. Yeah, there's no dialogue, it's just
it's just their their face acting uh sort of reactions.
It's really really good.
Speaker 3 (49:56):
Yeah, well done.
Speaker 2 (49:58):
All right, Let's see what else I have here. Christian
was don't want to take Ryan in Ryan at what
it's a violent psychopathy? Oh yeah, I think, Oh, oh,
I have a couple of things here. I have. When
Seth chooses to go with Summer instead of Anna is
like when Raylan picks Winona over Ava. It feels very
(50:29):
much like that at the time. And then and then
Marissa stealing from Robinson's may is like Winona stealing the
cash out of the evidence room because Ryan had to
like try and cover for her and get her out
of trouble and everything. It felt very very similar to me.
Speaker 4 (50:50):
These are the most tenuous, you said, the most tenuous relaysians.
Speaker 2 (50:57):
The more, the more far fetched, the better.
Speaker 3 (51:00):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (51:01):
I've got a few. I've got a few things that
they talked about that were, Hey, remember two thousand and
four things that we didn't get to. One of them
is I had I had started to sort of put
together a spinoff. I might still do it. But Sandy
apparently has a hidden porn stash on the PC. There's
a reference to it made in one of the episodes,
(51:21):
and I'm like, oh, that's a hey, two thousand and
four moment, because you know, you don't have you don't
have broadband in two thousand and four, so you actually
had to save the porn on your computer and hide it.
Speaker 3 (51:33):
In a secret folder.
Speaker 2 (51:34):
Yeah, exactly, the secret folder. And I thought about this.
I thought about, it'd be funny to write sort of
a thirty second trailer for a show called The PC
that talks about Sandy's porn.
Speaker 3 (51:45):
Collection and you have like all like a porn music
in the back of Yeah, exactly, totally.
Speaker 2 (51:51):
Yeah, And it's funny because PC is also you know,
it's a computer and it could stand for porn collection,
So you've got a double double sort of thing there.
There's also Summer, who went on in Affleck Lopez rant
about public relationships, which which could actually be today by
the way, but she did she did talk about how
(52:12):
she because she was trying to justify not telling people
that she she and Summer or she and Seth were
seeing each other. And she's like, ok at what happened
to afflic and Ben Affleck and Jennifer Lopez. I don't
want to be like that.
Speaker 3 (52:25):
Oh my god. And we're still talking.
Speaker 2 (52:28):
About well, we're talking about it again. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
And oh and the chakana approach to courtship. The whole
concept of shakanaw comes right out of the Gulf War,
straight up Iraq Iraq invasion reference made by Sandy there.
Speaker 4 (52:49):
Yeah, well I think that, you know, speaking of that,
like you know, Seth like and that was one of
the Realinois things for for him, was like he thinks
that like doing this grand gesture like when Anna was, oh,
I need to meet her and tell her how I feel.
I don't know, that was like so annoying.
Speaker 2 (53:08):
We're absolutely right, I've got I've got to actually I
have a highlighted comment that I just didn't figure out
kind of how to how to put in. But I'm
so glad you mentioned that, because my note says that
it feels entirely unearned. Feels entirely unearned for Seth to
get that sort of response from Anna at the airport. Yeah, yeah,
I don't. I don't like it at all.
Speaker 3 (53:31):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (53:32):
Yeah, So let's see any other any other little nuggets
that I have here that I want to get out.
Uh Oh, Marissa and Ryan go on a date to
see Master and Commander in the theater. That's right, they're teenagers.
I'm gonna go see Master and Commander.
Speaker 3 (53:53):
For the record, that movie is awesome.
Speaker 2 (53:55):
I love that you love Russell Crowe for some reason
I don't get. Yeah, no, I uh did you ever
see it?
Speaker 1 (54:05):
That's all.
Speaker 2 (54:06):
Look, I enjoyed it, but it was a two and
a half hour movie about boats. I it was It
was fine. It was fine.
Speaker 3 (54:15):
You know nothing, sir, it was fine.
Speaker 2 (54:22):
Let's see here Marissa apologizing for a living an apartment
nicer than the one I lived, and at the time
makes me sad because there is that moment after after
Millhouse's dad moves into the condo. She's like, oh, sorry,
my place is so shitty, like this a two story
condo in Newport Beach. Dude, this is nicer than every
(54:46):
apartment I've ever lived in so far.
Speaker 3 (54:47):
It's like the water too.
Speaker 2 (54:49):
Yeah, yeah, joke. And I think that's it. I think
that's all. I've got. What you got, you got anything left.
Speaker 4 (55:00):
I don't have anything left other than let me see here,
I got nothing left.
Speaker 2 (55:07):
Yeah, yeah, I think the only other I got one
more little thing where I wanted to say that that
that Seth. You know, he promises because Ryan runs away, right,
and so so Ryan runs away. And when Ryan runs
runs away, Sandy goes to Seth and says, hey, promise me,
you're never going to run away. Promise me. We're going
to talk about it, whatever whatever it is. And Seth
(55:30):
promises that, and then at the end of the episode
or at the end of the season, immediately runs away.
Speaker 3 (55:35):
He's such a little bitch.
Speaker 2 (55:39):
And his boat guy is Philip Curiakis on Days and
I once saw him at the Hotel del Coronado, the
guy he's going to buy the boat from Seth. Yeah,
the guy at the dock. Yeah. Yeah. He played a
character named Philip Curiakis on days. He was on days
for a long time, days, four lives and one time.
One time we were in the bar at the Hotel
Dell when he was there.
Speaker 3 (56:00):
That's hilarious.
Speaker 2 (56:02):
Random celebrity meeting, totally random celebrity sighting I saw. I
saw him there. And then my other random celebrity sightings
I saw both of them were at Brooks Brothers in
uh in Beverly Hills. I saw Ben Kingsley and I
saw the guy who played Peter Petrelli on Heroes. He
(56:28):
was like, no, he was like the skinny guy with
the shaggy mop of dark hair. His brother was the
mayor or the councilman or the congressman or whatever. Shoot,
I can't remember. My little Ventimiglia is his name? Okay, Yeah,
he was buying. He was buying some weird he was
weirdly buying jewelry at at Brooks Brothers. It was very strange.
(56:52):
I don't know what was going on there, but yeah,
so that's that's my it's the extent of my celebrit.
Speaker 3 (57:01):
Oh. Yeah, I'm trying to say Ben's Kingsley was. Did
you get to talk to him?
Speaker 2 (57:08):
No, he would I didn't want to bother him. He
was there by himself and looking at looking at clothing,
and I didn't want to bother him. I was just
like I saw him and I go to Rachel, I go, hey,
that's Ben Kingsley over there.
Speaker 4 (57:22):
Oh, speaking of like I had a run in, not
a run in, but just because I like you passed
away recently, Bill Walton.
Speaker 3 (57:29):
I remember meeting him at UH like I.
Speaker 4 (57:33):
Was sitting at it was the Long Beach Airport and
I was seeing at a bar and he comes up
to be like behind me, and he was trying to
get a drink and I turned around and like you
look up to this guy, you know, like he's a
seventh foot or whatever. And I looked at him, and
he looks at me and like you hey, you know,
like not even say anything, but just the nod.
Speaker 2 (57:55):
Yeah, like I am who you think I am?
Speaker 3 (58:00):
Yeah, exactly, That's exactly what it was.
Speaker 2 (58:02):
So, yeah, he's a cool guy, or he was a
cool guy. I I have seen him a few times.
I've been at I've been at multiple concerts that he's
been at, not too far away from me. And then
I was on a flight one time from UH San
Diego to New York and he was when I was
on the bulkhead and coach. I was in the first
(58:23):
row of coach and he was in the last row
of first class uh uh corner on the opposite aisle,
And so I just sat there and he was there
the whole flight and then and then when the when
the plane let out, you know, he stands up and
he can't stand up inside the plane. He has to
like bend his head down. Yeah.
Speaker 4 (58:43):
He was like a really well known as one of
those Grateful Dead like a deadhead and uh like because
they're like out here there there have a residency, the Grateful.
Speaker 3 (58:56):
And like Dead company.
Speaker 4 (58:59):
Yeah, so they set up like a like every once
in a while to flash him on the on the sphere.
Speaker 3 (59:07):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (59:08):
Yeah, I saw him at both times. I was at
the Paul McCartney shows in San Diego. I've seen him there.
I saw him there and we went we got we
got we got sound check tickets one year for that
and he was there at the sound check too, So
it was like it was like me and like two
hundred and fifty other people and there's Bill Walton was like,
(59:30):
that's pretty cool. Yeah, and he's just you know, he's
just doing his wavy, gravy grooven thing you know during
the concert, probably the mushrooms or ayahuascar.
Speaker 3 (59:43):
Yeah he's a acid or whatever.
Speaker 2 (59:45):
Huh yeah, ye, all right, well I think that about
covers it, so, so thank you for listening.
Speaker 1 (59:54):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (59:54):
We'll be releasing these episodes this uh over over the
course of the next month or six weeks or so,
and so you'll hear them as as they come out.
They'll be available to be released. Check our twitter feed
for details on early access if we can get our
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