S08E04 - The OC - Season 2 Part 1 of 2

Jimmy Cooper drunk on a boat with a 20-year-old is all we who aspire to be.

Join Groundless for a look at Season 2 of The OC in this weeks episode.  In this first part (of two) of their look at The OC Season 2, Chris and Randy:  Miss the very obvious "Bait Shop" joke about it being run by a bisexual woman; wonder whether the eventual lesson from Seth's character arc is one we want to reinforce with young men; meet the new characters, even though most of them don't hang around very long; listen to Randy mix up Ed Helms and Jason Sudekis multple times in the first part; and, of course, reminisce about our favorite (is that the right word?) thing to come out of Hurricane Katrina.

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
Ya here right right back where it's not it from.
We're flowers, my flowers, broom in the spring each morning,
not dawning, burning and everything.

Speaker 2 (00:14):
This is groundless Newport A THEOC Rewatch Podcasts. This is
a podcast where we watch every episode of the OC
and then come on here and talk about it. I'm Chris.
Thatman is Randy. Hello, hello, hello, hello, hello hello. Indeed,
we're here to this week to talk about season two

(00:36):
of the OC. The OC a show about teenagers creating
businesses that Corporate America invests thousands of dollars.

Speaker 3 (00:44):
In two.

Speaker 2 (00:47):
And where everybody just wants to be friends. That's right.
I almost said a show about creating the Marvel comic universe,
the Marvel Cinematic universe that's sort of at the comic
book storyline feels like, but you know, yeah, so yeah,
we're here to talk about season two of the OC.

(01:08):
Spoilers abound. Of course, we're going to be covering the
entire second season of the show. We will split this
into at least two episodes depending on how long we go,
and so there might be a little jumping around depending
on how you're listening. But if you listen to season
one and made it through that. You will easily make
it through our thoughts on season two. So let's get

(01:29):
started with their initial thoughts on season two of the OC.
What'd you think, Randy, Oh, my god, I don't know.

Speaker 3 (01:35):
It was a struggle for me to get to get
through it all. It really was, because I think the
thing with Seth is that, and we mentioned this in
the first season, is that it's he does some creepy stuff.

Speaker 2 (01:53):
Yeah, he really does. This is some really creepy stuff.

Speaker 3 (01:56):
And I don't know, like as far as Summer, you know,
that should be like a turnoff, right, I mean, it's
just strange.

Speaker 2 (02:05):
Absolutely. I have I have a note where I talk
about Seth that I talked specifically about how Summer continues
to reward him for terrible That's exactly.

Speaker 3 (02:20):
It's like a dog. You're training your pet, like incorrectly, right,
You're like, oh.

Speaker 2 (02:26):
He keeps kissing on the floor and you're giving treats
as he's.

Speaker 3 (02:30):
Yeah, Oh, you're praising him. Oh, good dog, good dog.
That's true.

Speaker 2 (02:35):
That's absolutely correct.

Speaker 3 (02:36):
Yes, yes, And so I don't know, Like, like I said,
it was kind of a struggle for me to get
through this, But I don't know, how about you.

Speaker 2 (02:45):
So I didn't have such a hard time getting through
the episodes. I thought the episodes in general were okay.
What I had a hard time with was, you know,
when I tried to distill it down for this podcast,
and I'm like, oh, there just wasn't that much meat
on the bone here. It was. There was a lot
of repetition and a lot of you know, very very
ephemeral sort of storylines that hung around for like no

(03:10):
more than thirty minutes and then evaporated and missed and
were never heard from again. And it's hard to it's
hard to talk about a show when they do that.
And we had talked about last season, you know, one
of the things we talked about was how they were
burning through plot you know, over and over and over again,
talking wrapping up a storyline in one episode that in

(03:30):
a normal show, or in a show we watched today,
would take like the entire arc of the season to
wrap up. Yeah, and they kept that up in season two.
I mean it almost feels like they stepped on the
accelerator a little bit in season two when you think
about how many plot lines we went through, and then
there's this mid season sort of reboot during the Christmas

(03:51):
episode where like after the Christmas episode, everything is sort
of back to normal. It's like any episode of South
Park or The Simpsons where it like opens back to normal,
like nothing in the and the prior episodes that happened.

Speaker 3 (04:04):
It's true, or even the like the whole thing with
with Caleb and Lindsay and that whole thing. It seems
like after that or where Lindsay leaves and there was
a whole reboot from there as well, and then they
bring in the editor guy I forget the name, Carter, yeah, him,
and then the porn dude too. Like that was like

(04:27):
I would say that was like maybe the second like
two thirds way through the season.

Speaker 2 (04:32):
Yeah, yeah, it was. It was like fourteen or fifteen
in something like that. Yeah yeah, which was again a
crazy thing to say, you know, with fourteen or fifteen
episodes in and not even being half barely being halfway
through the season at that point. Yeah, exactly. So yeah,
I think, you know, especially in watching season three as

(04:54):
I'm as I'm starting to to kind of prepare for
that Season two is is not great, but it's okay,
and it's much much better than Season three. Season three
is Season three actually might be easier to come on
here and talk about, quite frankly, because of how bad
it is. It's actually far easier to sort of make

(05:15):
fun of and to identify points that you know are
problematic in the show. There's only one thing, as far
as I'm concerned, in season three that's not problematic, and
well we'll talk about that when we get there.

Speaker 3 (05:30):
Well, do you think that with season two? I mean
I get your point. I mean, even the first third
of the season I thought was very good as far as,
like you know, they introduced like Zach, like these new characters,
and but I think I really struggled with just going
back to it with like Seth and the repetitive of

(05:52):
of them going back and forth and him sabotaging or
I don't know, I mean, he really should have gotten
his ass kick more.

Speaker 2 (06:00):
Really. Yeah, yeah, well we'll talk about the fight when
we get there. But yeah, I have some questions about
that fun but yeah, no, you're absolutely right. Seth is
Seth is an incredibly annoying basically all season. It's sort

(06:21):
of one of those step up TV tropes. You know,
it's like, oh, we had a character who was you
know a little bit obnoxious and a little bit inside,
and now we're going to take it and amplify it
for season two and make him completely insufferable. And they
certainly managed to do that. He never never learns anything. Yeah,

(06:42):
that's right.

Speaker 3 (06:46):
He's just a static character, I like to NPC or
whatever exactly.

Speaker 2 (06:52):
He just he just never never adapts, never changes, never
takes a lesson away, never learns anything, always acts exactly
the way you expect them to. Like, yeah, yeah, So
all right, Well, before we get into kind of some
of the details of season two here, we have we

(07:13):
have some new cast members that we have to introduce,
and then some major plot points to go through. I
even have a law in it, because a significant portion
of the season focuses on a legal issue. So we'll
we'll talk about that. But but before we get out
through all that, we have to do this. Nope, not
that one.

Speaker 1 (07:33):
You built a time machine.

Speaker 2 (07:38):
We did, indeed. So let's take a quick trip back
to two thousand and four to two thousand and five.
So this is this season aired fall of two thousand
and four, spring of two thousand and five. See what
was happening in the world at the time. So I've
got a few a few news headlines here, uh to
kind of reminisce on So the Indian Ocean tsunami on
Boxing Day in two thousand and four, that results in

(08:01):
two hundred and fifty thousand people died. And that's in
that tsunami. I remember the I remember seeing that on
television when that happened. It was really something to witness.

Speaker 3 (08:15):
Was that's the one where that supermodel was like she
almost got pulled into the sea.

Speaker 2 (08:20):
Yeah, her boyfriend or yeah, yep, yeah, that's one two
hundred and fifty thousand people and in Indonesia and Malaysia died. God,
that's crazy.

Speaker 3 (08:34):
And a quarter of a million yeah oh yeah that
video like because like people don't think anything is wrong.
The water's receding, yeah, and the yeah, and it's just like, oh,
there's nothing I can do. Yeah yeah, yeah, what do
you do? I mean, I guess you have to recognize
that there's a tsunami.

Speaker 2 (08:54):
Get inland. Yeah, as far inland as you can, as
fast as.

Speaker 3 (08:59):
You can this high ground, I guess.

Speaker 2 (09:02):
Jeez. So, and then let's see the Patriots win their
second Super Bowl in a row, beating the Eagles this
time twenty four one. This is the one where a
Donovan McNabb was throwing up on the field. Do you
remember that? Yes?

Speaker 3 (09:17):
And Tolls called about on that he was a gas Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2 (09:22):
Yep, there's that. That's the one, the t O and
Donovan McNabb throwing up. That's the That's what I remember
from that Super Bowl. Let's see million Dollar Baby and
the Aviator clean up at the Oscars. Interestingly, we actually
have an Aviator connection in this season of the OC.

(09:42):
There's a moment where where Julie Cooper after her after
her she's exposed for her porn past uh says that
she's starting her Howard Hughes phase. And that's of course
who the Aviator was about. So I thought it'd be
fun to talk a little bit about some weird shit
that Howard Hughes did. Oh yeah, So they don't really.

(10:04):
I mean they talk about that. They show this a
little bit in the Aviator, but they don't show it
quite as much. Like he was. So he was very
obsessive compulsive disorder. He was He had it very very bad.
He did nothing to treat it, and so he would
walk around with clean xboxes on his feet. He didn't
use he didn't actually touch anything. He used Kleenex to
like grab everything and and don't clean everything and everything else.

(10:27):
And so he would walk around with empty cleen xboxes
on his feet like slippers because he thought that they
would they would protect his feet from the stuff on
the on the floor of his immaculate apartment.

Speaker 1 (10:40):
Uh.

Speaker 2 (10:41):
By the way, he's at this at this time, he's
living in a hotel in Las Vegas. Like he basically
has the entire like top you know, of the hotel
rented out to him so that nobody can approach him
or get near to where he is. He burned clothing
that came into contact with anyone who had any sort
of illness. An he's sick people, they would the clothing,

(11:02):
any clothing that came into contact with sick people got burned.
He was saving his urine and feces and jars. And
he refused to cut his nails, fingernails toenails. He refused
to cut them, which made the Kleenex boxes not fit
super well. Also, so yeah, really really sick man. At
the end there, I thought this was a really interesting

(11:24):
fact when I read it. But he ate the same
meal for dinner every night. He had steak medium rare
a salad and twelve peas. Twelve peas which he would
arrange by size before he ate them.

Speaker 3 (11:40):
To be fair, that sounds like a pretty healthy meal.

Speaker 2 (11:43):
I mean, I don't know if you're a cowboy in
nineteen or in eighteen sixty eight, maybe medium twelve peace.

Speaker 3 (11:56):
Who knows what's in the food nowadays. Point, it's probably
better for you than a beazza, I suppose. So.

Speaker 2 (12:05):
Yeah, so that's that's who. That was what was in theaters.
Let's see what else happened in two thousand and four,
two thousand and five. Terry Shaivo. Do you remember Terry Shivo.
She was the woman who she either had a stroke
or a brain anemalism. I don't remember exactly what happened
to kept her alive, Yeah, exactly. And they had the

(12:28):
balloon when she would follow the balloon and it was like, oh, look,
she's clearly not a vegetable because she follows the balloon.
And yeah, yeah, there was a whole question about whether
or not to pull the plug on Terry Schivo, and
eventually she she passed away through removal of her feeding tube.

Speaker 3 (12:46):
They starved her to death, basically, is what happened.

Speaker 2 (12:49):
Yeah, that's arguable whether or not she was dead before that,
right from a from a brain?

Speaker 3 (12:54):
Yeah, well, how how could they tell? I guess right?
I mean I actually have an uncle. He he had
a stroke like years ago, and I mean everything's functioning,
but his body, you know, like this brain functions. So oh,
I don't know, it's a it's a rough call. You know,
you're literally you.

Speaker 2 (13:15):
Hope you never ever have to make that decision yourself,
and you definitely don't want to have to do it
in a media spotlight and circus like like happened there. Yeah, yeah,
especially because there was you know, there was this whole
sort of secondary, sort of suspicious circumstances question that people
were trying to ask, and it's like, oh, is he
just trying to pull the footing to be so you

(13:37):
can cover up the fact that he hurt her or whatever.
So yeah, complicated and messy, and yeah, I distinctly remember
Terry Schivo. Carrie Underwood wins American idol so now every
Monday night on NBC singing the opening theme song for
Sunday Night Football. But oh is she okay?

Speaker 3 (14:00):
It's one of the American idols who actually has had
a very long career in the in the Spotlight.

Speaker 2 (14:06):
Later between her and Kelly Clarkson. I think that's pretty much.
What's her name, Katherine uh oh, Katherine McPhee, McPhee. She
did okay in acting and then she married. She married
some you know, ultra rich producer who's like twice her
age and had a kid with him. So she's doing

(14:27):
just fine now.

Speaker 3 (14:30):
Supposedly they got married under the there was a guy
who married him was wearing a goat head and I
don't know that, but it sounds right for that type
of success. Yeah, as we now know confirmed.

Speaker 2 (14:53):
Let's see what else. Michael Jackson not guilty of molestation,
or at least according to the jury, not guilty of molestation.
He was acquitted. The Spurs beat the Pistons in seven
to win the NBA Championship. Lance Armstrong won his seventh
straight Tour de France and retired just before it was

(15:16):
exposed that he was a cheater and had been a
cheater the whole time.

Speaker 3 (15:22):
Well you know that Bill Burr lined about how you
know because he wasn't just him using the performance and
dancing drugs, it was everybody. So Bill Burr's like, oh yeah,
so our roided up guy beat everybody else's voided up.

Speaker 4 (15:34):
Guy.

Speaker 2 (15:35):
Yeah, he just happened to get caught. You're not wrong, I.

Speaker 3 (15:41):
Mean, just because that would have been the era, Like
was Barry Bonds and all those baseball players doing using
the performance enhancing drugs?

Speaker 2 (15:48):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, it had come out at that point
about Barry for sure. Yeah. And I think he was
being roundly booed every night as he various stadiums.

Speaker 3 (16:01):
So there's crushing homers outside out the stadium.

Speaker 2 (16:06):
Yeah, yeah, knocking into the bay there in San Francisco.
So okay. Renquist, William Rehnquist, the Chief Justice of the
Supreme Court dies is replaced by John Roberts, who is
the current Chief Justice of the Supreme Court. Still twenty
years later, So twenty years later, Yeah, another another natural

(16:30):
disaster that everyone will remember. Katrina hits Louisiana, Hurricane Katrina,
one hundred and eight billion dollars in damages sustained during
during Katina Katrina and jo Yeah, oh I know.

Speaker 3 (16:47):
What still is still Kanye West with Michael Myers in
the back, like standing next to him at a fun
doing a telethone or something like that, saying George Bush
doesn't care about black.

Speaker 2 (16:59):
People's reaction every single time. It cracks me up. It's fantastic, wonderful,
wonderful moment to have gone on film. Let's see White
Sox sweep the Astros to win the World Series and

(17:20):
Scooter Libby gets arrested. So the Valerie Plame thing, So
if you have any recollection of this at all, there
was a whole issue with one of Bush's aides outing
a CIA agent named a deep cover allegedly deep cover
CIA agent named Valerie Plame to to some media I

(17:43):
think it was the Washington Post in order to score
political points. Essentially, was the allegation, and Scooter Liby ended
up going to jail. I think he got pardoned or
his maybe not pardoned, but he got his sentence commuted
or something by the end of Bush's turn, but he
was He was indicted for that as an in two

(18:05):
thousand and five. So that's what was happening in two
thousand and four. Two thousand and five. We also have
a number one movie, so we remember the number one
movie for two thousand and four was Shrek two with
four hundred and forty one million gross. Now that was
in two thousand and four, four hundred and forty one
million gross. That was the number one grossing movie in

(18:26):
two thousand and four. Two thousand and five, Star Wars
Episode three, Revenge of the Sith eight hundred and fifty
million dollars gross, doubling up essentially what Shrek two did
the year before for a gross. And that's the number
one movie of two thousand and five. And of course
the number one song two thousand and four, Yeah by

(18:48):
Usher in two thousand and five, one of my favorite songs,
still one of my favorite songs, that one, not this one.
In two thousand and five, we Belonged Together by Mariah
Carey spent fourteen weeks at number one, so she was
still even even even though it wasn't the nineties anymore,

(19:09):
Mariah Carey was still a dominant force on the top
top pop charts.

Speaker 3 (19:16):
So yeah, yeah, well Usher, Actually he performed here this
past weekend. Oh yeah, yeah, he was over at t Mobile.
He had a residency like earlier in the year, and
then I think he went on tour, and then he
he was here performing last night and then Friday an.

Speaker 2 (19:33):
He feds in the audience keeping an eye on thing.

Speaker 3 (19:39):
That I don't know.

Speaker 2 (19:40):
Okay, guests, they're probably following him around pretty good right now.

Speaker 3 (19:45):
They probably are.

Speaker 2 (19:46):
Yeah, there's probably a few other people that they are too.
I'm knocking out him avoid mentioning them. But I've seen
after his name out there a lot, which is like yeah, yeah, yeah.
But all right, So let's see what do we have
coming up next. Let's do uh, let's do some of

(20:07):
the new cast introductions. So we have we have six
new cast members this season who are on the show,
you know, for a variety of time. Some are on
the show for basically the whole season, you know, absent
a few episodes here or there. Others are around for
a sort of short run and then are gone, and

(20:30):
still others leave the show forever by the time the
by the time the season ever. So well, we'll start
with Zach because he's the first one we're introduced to.
His he's played back guy named Michael Cassidy, and he's
been in he's been in a bunch of stuff. Resident Alien,

(20:51):
which is a show on USA Network, I believe, and
it's got the guy who played Wash and Firefly and
and he's he's a doctor who's also an alien from
outer space. Alien and he's there to sort of investigate
humans and see how we work. And but he's a

(21:11):
physician in a small town and that that's that. That
show looks pretty good to me. I haven't watched watch
that yet, but he's in that. He's in Batman Versus Superman,
one of the d C comic book movies. He played
Jimmy Olsen, which you have to think, like the guy
who played Zach, who was, you know, this much into
comic books in the OC, then gets to play Jimmy

(21:33):
Olsen in a in a Superman movie, you know, twenty
years later. That's pretty cool. Yeah, that is pretty cool.
And then a show called Men at Work. He's in
thirty one episodes of that. I don't know what that was.
But he's not okay since since the OC. And let's
talk about Zach's character a little bit. So he's he's

(21:55):
Summer's new boyfriendish when the season opens, So Seth comes. Seth,
you know, left on his sailboat at the end of
season one and was upliving with Luke in Portland and
Luke's dad in his tastefully appointed home. And when he

(22:17):
comes back, Summer has this boyfriend, Zach, and Zach seems
like a genuinely nice guy, like like he's a water
polo player, but he's not, you know, one of the violent,
mean bully water polo players. He's just a He's just
a genuine nice guy. Seems to really like Summer for
the most part, actually pays attention to what she says
and thinks and cares seemingly what she what she thinks

(22:40):
and feels, which is more than you can say for Seth,
because Seth only cares about one person, and that's him
for sure. But but Zach eventually gets dragged into the
mud with Seth. Seth manages to bring him down to
his level a couple of different times throughout this season,
and so things. Things don't end all that happily for

(23:03):
Zach in Summer and and yeah, but they end happily
for Seth, which you know we're all very happy about.
Speak for yourself.

Speaker 3 (23:16):
Well, if you go back to that, you know, in
what world would that would would Summer actually choose Seth
over him over Zach?

Speaker 2 (23:29):
Yeah, I was, I was trying to. It doesn't it doesn't.
It doesn't make any sense because Zach seemingly adored her,
put her first, put her on a pedestal. You know
all of the things that you would think that stereotypically
someone like Summer would want. Yeah, Zach did all that.

Speaker 3 (23:45):
Yeah, unless the lesson is the way you really should
treat like women if you're looking into getting is exactly
the way Seth treats.

Speaker 2 (23:56):
That's right. Women love to be treated like shit.

Speaker 3 (23:59):
That's the last Yeah, Yes, I'm that's the underlying message.

Speaker 2 (24:03):
Nothing, Nothing makes a relationship stickier than when you treat
a woman.

Speaker 3 (24:07):
Like garbage, yeah, or just creep out on her yeah,
or that.

Speaker 2 (24:15):
So yeah, So I think that's the lesson. Huh, that's
the takeaway we all can have.

Speaker 3 (24:22):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (24:23):
So that's Zach. We'll talk more about his various plot
points here as the show goes on. Lindsay So, Lindsay
is portrayed by Shannon Lucio. She's a new student at
Harbor and she turns out to be maybe Caleb's daughter,
illegitimate daughter, and she's absolutely adorable. I think I think

(24:46):
Lindsay was one of the bright points of season two
for me. I thought she was she was very good,
she's very pretty, she's very sweet and well portrayed. I
thought by Shannon Lucio.

Speaker 3 (25:00):
I don't know what, Yeah, the the introduction was kind
of like a little bit too meet cute, like the
way they introduced her, you know, I'm having the worst
day and all that, but she ended up being a
very good idea, Like what would you call her? Just
a nice change of pace for Ryan considering who Marissa,
you know, like the train wreck, I guess.

Speaker 2 (25:20):
Yeah, just a completely different set of drama, but not
not necessarily less drama, right.

Speaker 3 (25:25):
It's yes, yeah, just different.

Speaker 2 (25:27):
It's different, right. She's not a boozer, she's not a
pill popper, she's not you know, a closet lesbian. She's
she's out there, you know, just being a normal high
school girl trying to study and you know, make ends
meet because she's kind of poor. Yeah. Yeah, interesting. And
Shannon Lucio now currently on for All Mankind. She's doing

(25:49):
great on that. I watched that show and she's she's
been on it. She was in the Right Stuff, So
she's been in uh some some uh not the not
the not the original movie of course, but the new
series the Right Stuff, so two different shows about astronauts.

(26:10):
True Blood. She was on also, which we've talked about
a little bit on this podcast before because some of
the producers and or casting people for Justified obviously had
some sort of connection with true Blood because we had
a lot of former true Blood actors on Justified, and
she is one of those former true Blood actors. And
then she was also in prison Break. She was in

(26:31):
eleven episodes of prison Break, which is a show that
I watched and enjoyed actually quite a bit even after
it came back. I watched it and still enjoyed it
for the most part. So, oh, it did come back.
It did come back. Yeah, it came back for like
I think it was like two seasons and a movie
or something like that. So oh, okay, okay, it was
about it was a while ago now, probably ten years

(26:54):
ago now.

Speaker 3 (26:54):
But oh, did you see this that twenty four is
coming back?

Speaker 2 (26:59):
I did not wait supposedly.

Speaker 3 (27:02):
Actually I've actually go check and verify. But that's what
I saw. I saw like they're doing a new twenty four.

Speaker 2 (27:08):
Huh is key for Sutherland Jack Bower going to be
in it? Or are they going to try?

Speaker 3 (27:13):
And the poster I saw says, yes.

Speaker 2 (27:17):
Okay, wow, let's see here. I would be really interested
in another season of twenty four. You know, I haven't
revisited twenty four. Since it originally aired, I haven't gone
back and watched any of it. You know. It's one
of those shows where you don't really feel the need
to do a rewatch. Ever. Yeah, but I wonder how
I would feel about it, you know, given how my

(27:38):
sort of perspective on things has evolved a little bit
since two thousand and four, I wonder how I would
feel about it now watching twenty four, I wonder if
I would still be yeah, go Jack, or like, oh god,
damn it. Jack's just another pig. He's just torturing people.

Speaker 3 (27:59):
Oh yeah, here it is. Here it is, here's the a.
It's not a season, it is a movie. Oh, they're
doing twenty four with key for with Keifer Sutherland as
but Jack Bower.

Speaker 2 (28:09):
I did hear about this. They're gonna do it in
real time, but it's gonna take place over the course
of the movie, so it's gonna be like it's gonna
be like filmed in like two hours and it's like
actually two hours of real time or whatever.

Speaker 3 (28:22):
Yeah, yep, nope.

Speaker 2 (28:24):
So that'll be interesting. That'll be interesting. I'm still waiting
for the Face Off part two. Face Off.

Speaker 3 (28:33):
Yeah, that's true.

Speaker 2 (28:35):
Actually, I think they've been working on that for a while.
And your your your movie is coming out here very
very soon. Gladiator too.

Speaker 3 (28:44):
That's right.

Speaker 2 (28:45):
Oh yeah to kind of mixed reviews. I'm seeing like
Denzel quite a bit, but but the movie itself maybe
a little week.

Speaker 3 (28:56):
Can you imagine Denzel and Glady Shoe program Pelican Day.

Speaker 2 (29:03):
I'm violent, all y'all, I'm putting cases on all you bitches. Okay, well,
let's see we got alex Is the the next new
member of the cast. That's Olivia Wilde. You've seen her
in a bunch of stuff. She was in, Uh, don't worry, darling.

(29:25):
She also directed that movie. That movie was kind of mad.
I don't know. Did you see that? Yeah, it's okay,
it's not fantastic, it's not terrible. It's just kind of
matt It's got for which I who I really really like.

Speaker 3 (29:40):
So what was the what was the thing that? What
was the movie called?

Speaker 2 (29:43):
Again, don't worry, darling. It's the one with the one
where so you probably read about it. It's the one
where she and Harry Styles took up together and she
dumped Jason Sudeikis to go bang Harry Styles. Yeah, that's right,
And so the movie itself was, Okay, it's this it's

(30:05):
a story about you know, this small town where the
husbands all work in this top secret project, and it's
like it's meant to be a period piece taking place
in the fifties or sixties, and there's a there's a secret,
of course, and we find out that they're not actually
in the fifties and sixties. It's sort of like the
village sort of reveal at the end of it. But

(30:29):
I won't I won't give it away exactly what's going on.
But but it was okay, it was it was fine. Yeah,
I like, I really like her.

Speaker 3 (30:43):
I was just gonna say, is you ever get Jason
Sudeikis and that guy from the office mixed up?

Speaker 2 (30:50):
What's that guy? And it helps? Yeah, I can see that.
I could totally see that. I don't think I ever have,
but yeah, they have a very similar her face, the
the rectangle head, and yeah, yeah, I can see that
for sure. But yeah, what else was she in? Richard Jewel,

(31:10):
the movie that they did a couple of years back
about the Atlanta bomber security guard, was unfairly maligned and
suspected of being the bomber, even the Yeah, I had
no evidence and no indication that he was anything but
a hero. Yeah, yeah, let's seeja. Yeah, she was in House. Absolutely,

(31:36):
she was in a bunch of episodes of House. She's
as thirteen, She's she's great in that BoJack Horseman. Vinyl.
So there's a show, a show on HBO called Vinyl
that was about record producers in the seventies, I think
in the late or the early seventies, and she's naked

(31:56):
in that show. If you're interested in seeing her without
her clothes on, you can do that. She's in one
of my favorite movies, Better Living through Chemistry with Sam Rockwell.
I've mentioned it on this podcast before. If you haven't
seen it yet, you need to go see it. It's
fantastic film and I love Sam Rockwell and she's great
in it. Also in Time with Justin Timberlake, the movie

(32:17):
about you know, Time being currency the Skin of course Attorney.
His father is the district attorney. So she was. She
was on that show and then that show got canceled,
and so they brought her over to the OC because
she was originally supposed to be on the OC, but

(32:38):
she got Skin instead. And yeah, it was a whole thing.
She was, I think, originally supposed to play Marissa, and
they liked Mischa Barton better, but also she got skin,
so it was it was one of those weird sort
of things. And then they brought her along as soon
as she was available, they brought her along on the

(32:58):
OC for an eight or nine episode arc. So, yeah,
let's see who else we got. We got Rebecca. Rebecca
Sandy's former flame, his radicalized left wing bomber girlfriend, played

(33:21):
by Kim Delaney, who of course was in one hundred
and thirty seven episodes of NYPD Blue. That's probably what
pretty much everybody knows her from. But also CSI, Miami
La Law Tales from the Crypt, which you know, I
love anytime I get to mention Tales from the Crypt,
I enjoy it because that's a fantastic program. That's a
show that feels to me like it's ripe for a remake.

(33:45):
Like somebody to reboot Tales from the Crypt, like like
Jordan Peele did with The Twilight Zone a few years. Yeah,
I would love to see that. I think that'd be
a really cool, cool reboot. And then she was in
various soaps too. All my child in General General Genital Hospital. Yeah,
that's the porn parody General Hospital and Army Wives, which

(34:11):
I didn't know was a soap opera but apparently is so.
And let's see Trey. Trey's played by Logan Marshall Green. Now,
he has been in a bunch of stuff, including twenty four,
which we just talked about, but in a show called
Dark Blue. He was in twenty episodes of that. He's
in a show right now called Big Sky, eighteen episodes

(34:32):
of that. And then he was in Prometheus, the alien movie. Yeah,
and Across the Universe, which was the movie sent to
the Beatles music. So he's been in He's been in
a bunch of stuff, and you know, he's got it.
Was it was funny when I was rewatching I wasn't

(34:53):
rewatching Prometheus. I was watching a video about Prometheus the
other day and he popped up and I was like, Hey,
that's Trey. I totally had forgotten that he was in
that movie. And so yeah, and then Carter Billy Campbell
is that actor's name. He is also just a bunch

(35:13):
of stuff going all the way back to the eighties.
He was in nineteen episodes of Dynasty. He was in
the Rocketeer movie that came out in the early nineties.
He was in Bram Stoker's Dracula. He was in a
movie called The forty four or a TV show called
The forty four hundred, which I watched. It was on
the USA network. It got canceled before its time, twenty

(35:36):
seven episodes of The Killing, twenty six episodes of a
show called Helix, another twenty four of a show called Cardinal,
and sixty three episodes of Once and Again, which was
a network show back in the back in the early
two thousands. I think that was pretty popular. So he's
been in a very prolific sort of guy who which

(35:57):
is wild because I didn't recognized him when they introduced
his character on the oc I. He was not one
of those guys who had been like, oh I've seen
him before, yeah, yeah, felt very generic leading man sort
of guy.

Speaker 3 (36:13):
The Mitt Romney of yeah exactly exactly.

Speaker 2 (36:16):
They stamped those guys out in a factory and something
provo or something. Yea, yeah, that's right.

Speaker 3 (36:25):
So I think I think the thing with the with
the cat because I think out of all of those,
like obviously Olivia Wilde and she kind of moved on
to the next level as far as like, I don't
know if she'd be a certified movie star, but she's
definitely made a lot of movies.

Speaker 2 (36:39):
Like, she made a lot of movies. She's directed, She's
directed movie. She directed Book Smart, which which was right.
I enjoyed that movie quite a bit. I thought that
was pretty funny. So she's yeah, she's really sort of
made a career for herself despite being apparently completely and
utterly insane if you if you believe the media reports, Oh.

Speaker 3 (37:03):
The media is always right. They would never miss lead
or direct anybody as far as manipulate people, they would
never do that.

Speaker 2 (37:14):
It's hard for me to take the side of anybody
against Jason Sudeika is quite frankly, because I think he's
one of the funniest actors that's that's out there working.

Speaker 3 (37:23):
So yeah, I mean he wasn't The Hangover, right, Oh shit,
I just did it.

Speaker 2 (37:33):
That was sorry. I was saying, you know, as funny
as I was sitting here trying to remember, Oh wait,
did Jason Sudeka's play a role? Was he like in
a cameo in The Hangover? And I'm like, no, because
he does that a lot. He goes, he goes cameo
a lot, but no, he's ted lassoed, right, Yeah, I'm

(37:54):
not going to make another show and that's another season
of that show. And I feel like, yeah, no, shouldn't
do that.

Speaker 3 (38:00):
Yeah, yeah, I mean there's some things you just at
least maybe for a little bit, leave it alone.

Speaker 2 (38:04):
Yeah, leave it alone, let it, let it rest. You know.
The third season they tried to do too much. I
felt like it was the episodes were too long. The
longer those episodes get, the less funnier, the less funny
they were. And yeah, I started pushing everything to over
an hour. It was no good.

Speaker 3 (38:21):
Yeah, And that thing just started out as like a
thirty minute I don't know, it wouldn't be a sitcom.
It was just like a thirty minute episode. And then yeah, yeah, well.

Speaker 2 (38:31):
All right, well let's see what's uh. Let's get into
talking a little bit about some of the stuff that
happens in uh in season two of the OC. So,
I don't know. I've got I've got Ryan's return return
to Newport here, I've got Seth in summer. I've got
Marissa's evolution, I've got cal and Julie, I've got Sandy Kirston,

(38:52):
Rebecca and Carter. I've got Millhouse's dad. Let's start, you
know what, Let's start with Millhouse's dad because he's got
probably the shortest story line in season two. So we
start out he's banging Haley on a boat. So he's
living on a boat in the Harvard at Newport and

(39:15):
banging the twenty year old sister of his of his
next door neighbor.

Speaker 3 (39:21):
Yeah, and former girlfriend.

Speaker 2 (39:23):
I think, yeah, he's a former girlfriend, like high school sweetheart, right,
like yeah, yeah, yeah. My note here says Millhouse's dad,
drunk on a boat with a twenty year old is
who we all want to be living his best life,
seriously living his best life. And so that goes on

(39:43):
for a few episodes, but then eventually Haley decides to leave,
and she tells him that it's because she's stuck, you know,
and she's going to She's going to Japan, right just
to do some fashion job. And I'm like, well, wait
a minute. First of all, she could be going to
work as a private assistant to assaultant in Dubai, and

(40:07):
she would do it to get away from Milhouse's dad's
gravitational pull, right, But if I stay here with you,
I'm gonna end up burning alive on this yacht. Well
you watch from the doc or whatever. So there's that.
But what I thought was really funny is that when
she tells him she's gonna leave, he's like, oh wait,

(40:29):
what if we got married, like like any good simp
Like I'll propose to to avoid her leaving.

Speaker 3 (40:38):
He could have done the Leonardo DiCaprio said she aged out. Yeah,
just really like a power move. Yeah, what is the
age that he gets rid of?

Speaker 2 (40:49):
Like twenty five? Ton't go over twenty five. Once they
hit twenty five, they are expired. It's like a cell bind.

Speaker 3 (40:58):
That's right, geez. But I will show you what options
there are, you know, like if you have a buddy
or you're Leonardo DiCaprio.

Speaker 2 (41:09):
It's crazy, huh. They don't seem to hate him for
it either. That's the that's the wild part. Yeah, I would.
It would have been funny to see like Jimmy like
start banging one of Marissa's friends. You know, it's like
Julie did with Luke.

Speaker 3 (41:27):
Oh my god, yeah, I know. Well, you know it.
We're so far into the like into the series now
that like everything is so convoluted, you know, like because
everybody's been banging everybody else, and the relationship lines are
all mixed up, and everybody wants to be just friends,
and I don't.

Speaker 2 (41:45):
Know, it looks like Charlie's bored and always the conspiracy
board Sylvia. Yeah, no, that's that's It does get a
little bit tricky, Like I've when I was putting my
my you know, one liners or whatever under these plot points,

(42:08):
I was like, well, wait, does this more of a
Lindsay plot? Is this more of a Ryan plot? Where
should I put that? Yeah? Yeah, So, And eventually he
starts banging Julie again because Cal gets arrested, and this
is a good good way to kind of kind of

(42:29):
dovetail into Cal's arrest in his problems. So Cal gets
arrested for bribing a city council person, and there's a
great line from Jimmy to Julie when she is telling
him about it before they start banging again, and she's
telling him about what's happening, and he goes, so are
you going to divorce him and take his kids? That

(42:53):
feels like one of the most authentic sort of ex
spouse exchanges that we've ever seen. Scene on a show
like this, like it's such a good little line because
he's because it's exactly what happened, right, He gets arrested
for committing this fraud. She divorces him and takes his kids, like, oh,
it's history going to repeat itself here, so uh yeah.

(43:20):
And and because cal got arrested, he's got to step
down as running the Newport group, and so he puts
instead of putting Kirston in charge, he puts Julie in charge,
and eventually we find out the reason he put Julie
in charge is because the business was in trouble and
he didn't want Kirsten to get in trouble. But ultimately

(43:40):
he's just a dick also, so that's what's going on.
But there's this whole there's this whole very cute sort
of storyline where Jimmy and Julie are, you know, banging
on her lunch break or whatever, and she's dick drunk
and so she's she's fucking up at work, which is funny.
And then there there's this moment where he calls her

(44:02):
cell phone and the ring tone is the song The Hustle,
and she's like, oh, you know, it's his favorite song.
I'm like, of course it is. Of course the Hustle
is Jimmy Cooper's favorite song. That makes perfect sense. And
then yeah, and then I have a note here that
says Marissa narrowly avoids a relapse by barely missing seeing

(44:24):
her parents banging this moment where she almost catches them
on the boat, and you can only imagine how that
would have gone if she had caught them. So yeah,
all right, Yeah, that's all I've got on on Jimmy Cooper.
And then he takes off for Hawaii at some point
about six or seven episodes into the season, just disappears

(44:48):
as per usual.

Speaker 3 (44:50):
For the usual. He's like going out for milk. It
never comes back, that's.

Speaker 2 (44:57):
Right, Yeah, for cigarettes, never never came. And then, oh god,
I can't wait to talk about him in season three
because it's just completely irredeemable dick. Oh yeah, yeah, uh well,
let's talk a little bit then, you know about let's

(45:17):
talk a little bit about Julie since we're since we're
here anyway, we'll talk a little bit about Julie Cooper
and Cal. So Julie's arc this season. She's got her
marital issues with Cal because he got arrested. She's also
got this stuff around Lindsey, which we'll talk about here
in a little bit. But but ultimately her big storyline

(45:40):
for the season is her secret porn past, and this
mysterious stranger about halfway through or two thirds of the
way into the season shows up at work and is
blackmailing her, and it turns out she's she's in a
porn movie called The Porn Identity, which is fantastic, fantastic

(46:03):
and lazy at the same time. I love it.

Speaker 3 (46:06):
I mean, that's why, that's the whole idea, right The
porn title is like lazy and uh and hilarious.

Speaker 2 (46:13):
Yeah, it's very realistic, sort of a lift of the
porn industry. This is exactly what they do.

Speaker 3 (46:21):
I actually looked up like some other like porn porn
titles and stuff, and yeah, so the Porn Identa was
the one there. But then there was like Porn on
the fourth of July.

Speaker 2 (46:35):
Is that is that a finish one?

Speaker 3 (46:38):
That's that was a parody movie. It looked like at
least from the cover, like I saw I like Edward
Penis Hands one, two and three.

Speaker 2 (46:46):
Edward is fantastic.

Speaker 3 (46:48):
Yeah, yeah, it was American Booty Forrest Tomp.

Speaker 2 (46:56):
Another one that feels very wrong to me.

Speaker 3 (47:05):
You know, I didn't even see the blocks on that one,
and then was just good will humping.

Speaker 2 (47:11):
That was the other one. I think my personal favorite
is Shaving Ryan's privates.

Speaker 3 (47:19):
That's a pretty good one.

Speaker 2 (47:22):
Saving they don't even do, do they even do?

Speaker 3 (47:26):
But like movies like that anymore, like titles like that,
because that isn't everything, like you know, like all the
old fans.

Speaker 2 (47:33):
I think for the most part, everything has gone so
but I think there are still a few sort of
like high budget parody of popular movies. I think, you know,
probably mostly like comic book movies and stuff I would
guess now.

Speaker 3 (47:46):
Oh yeah. I like the idea that it all started
back in the seventies with Boogie Knights in the documentary
called Boogie Nights Documentary.

Speaker 2 (47:55):
That yes, yes, that's my second favorite document My favorite
documentary is Bad Boys about crime and that's right, the
cocaine trade, that's right.

Speaker 3 (48:11):
I think I mentioned this before on on on the podcast,
but like my favorite thing about Justin Bieber was him
in this deposition, like he was getting sued for something
and he had to do a deposition and he would
use the name Mike Lowry to check into hotels, which
is mi Mike Lowry being uh well Will Smith's character right, yes.

Speaker 2 (48:33):
Bad, which I had. I thought that was so great,
you know, I mean it's yeah, yeah, that's all right,
he's all right, he's all right. I hope he's okay.
That's that's what. Yeah, after hearing about Puffy and Sure
and everything else, I hope he's okay.

Speaker 3 (48:52):
I think it makes me more sympathetic to him, you know,
just like really realizing, you know, like all this stuff
that he had to that he went through, which is crazy,
which is it really is insane, Yeah, but it's it's nuts.

Speaker 2 (49:07):
So one of the things that I noticed when we
were talking about this, this this blackmail scheme, well, let
me get to that in a second. First of all,
I wanted to talk about Sandy's reaction where he makes
a Boogie Night's reference and then says to Julie expect

(49:27):
a lot of them, and then we never get another one,
which was very disappointing. I was really hoping that Sandy
would be making continual Boogie Night's references, but he started
to take it too seriously, which was a bummer.

Speaker 3 (49:40):
So, yeah, sister, Christian plays in the background or something.

Speaker 2 (49:44):
Yeah, exactly, she comes in on roller skates, that's right.
So what I did want to talk about, though a
little bit, was that the the blackmailer gives the gives
the opportunity because you know, he's a porn producer, right,
So so it's widely accepted that, oh, well he's a

(50:05):
porn producer, he must be a bad guy, like he's blackmailing.
And so I was I started to put together a
little bit of a list of dead giveaway professions. So
because we had earlier, earlier in the earlier in the season,
we had the nana uh getting getting caught up with
a chiropractor, and and as soon as he introduces himself

(50:29):
as a chiropractor, you know immediately that he's a scumback,
I said, okay, so we've got porn producer. You know
vice profession people are inherently evil. Uh, you know, chiropractors,
they're not trustworthy, they're scammers. What other dead giveaway professions?
And a TV show? But you know that that person

(50:50):
is a scammer or a crooked, a crooked sort of character.

Speaker 3 (50:54):
And I came up with a little too, if you'll
just I got to one is a church leader.

Speaker 2 (51:01):
Oh it's a good one. I like that one a lot.
That's a really good one.

Speaker 3 (51:07):
And then the other one I had was a life
coach Okay yeah, and uh life coach slash health health coach,
you know like a and then Nigerian prince because that's
just standard.

Speaker 2 (51:21):
So I had I had New Age stuff for psychic
slash healer sort of I think along the same lines
as your life coach thing. Yeah, like anybody who's sort
of adjacent to that world. You know that there're gonna
be a scammer when they show up on a TV
show there on the hustle, you know it. Any type
of fitness instructor, like a personal trainer or like as

(51:44):
instructor or something like that. Absolutely, uh, pornographer, sex worker,
which we talked about. Uh, anything jewelry adjacent so if
you like run a pawn shop or you know you're
a diamond broker or something like that. And then and
then I threw one in here just for myself. This

(52:05):
is it's a contractor, like like a general contract, a
general contract, like somebody who build stuff. They're definitely not trustworthy,
you know, they're on the scam. They're on the take. So, yeah,
we're interested to hear if you have other If you
have other professions that are dead giveaways on a TV

(52:26):
show or in a movie for somebody who's nefarious or
a scammer, let us know. Hit us up on Twitter
at Groundless pod or or send it to our email,
Grondless Podcast at gmail dot com. So let's see what
else did I have about Julie's porn past? Oh? How
much of So there's a point in time where they

(52:47):
show like part of the movie. It gets projected up
on the screen at the launch party. Yeah, and so
the question I wrote down was how much of that
do you think they had to record? Is there like
ten minutes of footage out there somewhere of the actress
who plays Julie being ditzy and a skimpy outfit. It's

(53:07):
like shooting like lines multiple times or saying things different ways,
you know, because that's how you do a TV show, right,
You shoot it over and over and over and over again,
and then you kind of piece together the pieces that
work the best. But I wonder like if there's like
like a good ten minutes out there of a porn
movie starring her.

Speaker 3 (53:28):
The other note I had here on Julie is that,
you know, because you can see her ascendants right as
far as like what happens in season three, Like she's
doing some crazy stuff right like, but there was a
point in there where she's making the announcement about her
new magazine, and I just made a note here she

(53:48):
looks like a vida because she's standing at the top
of the balcony and she's like, you know, like talking about, oh,
we have a new thing to launch a magazine, magazine
about me.

Speaker 2 (54:02):
I had to. I had to. I had to put
magazines into my hey remember two thousand and five category
because because man, I actually just wrote, hey remember magazines,
because I mean I think there's still a thing, like
they still like there's a still rack of magazines at
my grocery store when I go in. Yeah, but I

(54:23):
can't imagine people still have magazine subscriptions, right, Like that's
not a thing. People don't get magazines in the mail anymore,
do they. I'll let you get them for free, right,
you may subscribe you like Triple A. They'll give you
the travel magage. Oh sure, yeah, I get the I
get the American Express one. I can't remember what it's
called Destinations or something like that.

Speaker 3 (54:44):
Well, it used to be a bad It used to
be a thing, you know, like just magazine covers, you know,
like I remember, do you remember Maxim magazine?

Speaker 2 (54:52):
Oh yeah, yeah, Maxim and stuff. There was that, And
there's a third one too, and I can't remember what
the third one was called, but yeah, the sort of
quad as I Playboy men's magazine that had celebrities in
it who got sort of naked but never actually naked,
but never act Yeah, exactly. Yeah. I have to imagine
that there's there's something to going back and looking at

(55:14):
some Maximum magazines from like nineteen ninety nine and like
reading some of the articles and seeing just how they
don't hold up today. I would imagine like like an
episode of Entourage put down onto paper.

Speaker 4 (55:31):
Oh my god, I know, huh, Entourage the magazine and
on the cover it's like, you know, like all these
video hos.

Speaker 3 (55:46):
And whatever they called them, yep, or they put viny
Viny Chase as Aquaman on the cover. Still my favorite Aquaman.

Speaker 2 (55:58):
Your favorite Aquaman, James Cameron's.

Speaker 3 (56:00):
Aquaman, James Cameron's I love that idea though. That's hilarious
to me.

Speaker 2 (56:08):
Because do you ever picture.

Speaker 3 (56:10):
Well, I mean, would he do That's true, that's true. Okay, well.

Speaker 2 (56:22):
Aliens aliens, right, I mean it's not it's not that far.

Speaker 3 (56:25):
Off, that's true.

Speaker 2 (56:28):
Yeah. But yeah, well that's an interesting sort of We
mentioned Entourage, so let's talk about unless you have anything
else on the on the Julie's porn past, we jump
around a little bit, talk about for a second.

Speaker 3 (56:47):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (56:48):
Yeah, So so there's this there's this love triangle ish
sort of thing that happens during the season where Seth,
who is not with Summer because Summers was act, takes
up with Alex, who is the Olivia Wilde character who
is the manager of the bait shop. She's like seventeen,

(57:10):
she's got tattoos, and she she runs a barca because
the world makes sense. That definitely is something a seventeen
year old can do. But but Seth takes up with her,
and eventually Marissa also takes up with her after the

(57:32):
after she and Seth break up, but her ex comes
to town at one point and her axe is Sloan
from Entourage, who is just incredibly hot and was every
moment in that show just just super super hot. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,

(57:57):
just so hot and nowhere and not on the show
anywhere near enough, right, Like, she's always sort of in
the background like Sloan, Oh, Sloan Sloan. But but he,
you know, never made it work with her. So yeah,
so she wasn't around very much, but yeah she is.

(58:17):
She is Alex's ex or lesbian ex girlfriend, and both
Seth and Marissa eventually discover that to their to their
very interest, right. Seth feels immediately threatened by it, and uh,
and Marissa is intrigued.

Speaker 3 (58:34):
I would say, of course she's intrigued.

Speaker 2 (58:39):
She's just a mess. We find out, well, we find
out that Alex or that that that this is her
ex during an episode where they all they all go
to the bait shop and Summer and Zach come in
and some bumps into Seth and Seth says something to her,

(59:02):
and she says, your breath, Your breath smells like Marissa
because Seth has been drinking. And I thought that was
a really kind of funny way to say, hey, have
you been drinking. Your breath smells like Marissa. And then
the other note that I wrote here is that weird
you think it would be DJ or Ryan whose breath smelled.

Speaker 3 (59:20):
Like there's somebody that DJ just makes a what maybe
halfway through the season and then he's dips.

Speaker 2 (59:32):
Yeah, no, I think he makes it like five episodes.
I don't think. I don't even think it's halfway. Just
he was the disposable gardener that Marissa was banging. There's
not even there's not even story there, really, it's it.
They try so hard to shoehorn it in where Julie
like pays him off to leave or whatever, but it

(59:53):
never ends up feeling like anything at all. It just yeah,
just fizzles. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:00:00):
Yeah, And I don't know, I don't even think they
had very good chemistry really, Marissa and uh.

Speaker 2 (01:00:05):
Oh they didn't. They didn't at all. But I think
that was only mostly because he's he's not a very
good actor. I think that I think was was probably
what was going on. But yeah, no, you're absolutely right,
they had no chemistry whatsoever. So yeah, and Ryan at
one point, Forrest gumps into finding out about Alex's ex

(01:00:29):
how she's a woman, and refuses to tell Seth because
he knows Seth will be completely and totally intolerable if
he finds that. And then Seth finds out and is
completely and totally intolerable about it, so that that adds.

Speaker 3 (01:00:42):
Up, that adds up, yeah, exactly.

Speaker 2 (01:00:45):
And then eventually, uh, Alex ends up with Marissa, so
Marissa sort of having feeling. They become friends, and Marissa
sort of like picking up on some chemistry or whatever.
There's a vie between her and Alex, and she's talking
to Summer about it without telling Summer, hey, this is
a girl that I might be interested in, and Summer

(01:01:07):
encourages her to make her move and Alex and Alex
of course is super wet to break in Marissa. She's like,
wait a minute, I'm gonna get a convert here. I'm down,
Let's go.

Speaker 3 (01:01:19):
And do you think it's like almost predatory.

Speaker 2 (01:01:23):
A little bit? It feels a little It feels a
little predatory. I mean she looks at Marissa like she's
a piece of meat. She does that multiple times in
the show. Like talk about male gaze, The looks that
Alex is throwing Marissa's way are more male gaze than
anything anything else anybody in the show is doing like

(01:01:43):
she is. Yeah, predatory is a good word to describe it.
She is eager to devour Marissa literally and figuratively, and yeah.
Eventually they make out on the beach and they're officially
a couple. And the note that I put here as
I bet Alex's breath smells like Marissa now, and there's

(01:02:08):
this there's this moment where there's there's two kind of
key defining points in this relationship heavily and quotes relationship right. Uh.
She shows up to Alex's party before she moves in
with Alex. She shows up to the Alex's party, which
turns out to be seemingly more of a lesbian orgy
because all all the all these women are there hanging out.

(01:02:31):
They're all like half naked or whatever. And and Marissa
gets cold feet about the whole well way to my
lesbian thing, understandably gets a little gets a little conflicted
about it. Eventually gets over that, and then they move
in together because Marissa gets in a fight with with
Julie and moves out and uh, and she's she demonstrates

(01:02:57):
for for Alex what a trophy wife is because she's
completely useless around the house, like she doesn't earn any money,
she doesn't clean anything, she just leaves messes behind her.
When she tried to do their laundry she turned all
their laundry pink and just demonstrated that she is completely

(01:03:17):
incapable of doing anything besides being there and looking pretty.
And I have to wonder if Alex is like, oh,
I see how this works. I am not equipped to
have a trophy wife yet. I need to make more
money first. But it's funny because there's a reused joke
here because in season three, Julie shrinks all their clothes

(01:03:42):
because she's incapable of doing laundry, so I have they
have to fire the help. Julie shrinks all of their clothes,
and it's sort of a reused joke of Marissa turning
everything pink from when she was living with Alex. So
they're both completely useless around the house, which reinforces what
I said in season one. If you remember what I
said in season one, I was talking about, you know,

(01:04:03):
Juliet said her her her job is the bedroom and
the kitchen, and I'm like, I don't think she's good
in neither one of those places, and she's definitely not
good in the laundry room.

Speaker 3 (01:04:14):
So I don't know, See, this is where we're gonna
have to see me because I'm thinking that she probably uh,
she's probably really good in the sheets. Yeah, freaking the
sheets and incompetent in the streets.

Speaker 2 (01:04:29):
I don't know that's right. Freaking the sheets, incompetent in
the streets. I like, yeah, I disagree. She gives me
starfish vibes, but that's just me. I don't know, we
have different opinions. So eventually, Alex, you know, as everyone

(01:04:53):
who seemingly everyone who gets a taste of Marissa literally
or figuratively goes completely insane. By the end of the arc,
Alex hits ninety nine out of one hundred, shows up
at the bonfire with two big dudes to kick Ryan's ASTs,
and they break up, and yeah, that's pretty much the

(01:05:15):
end of Alex's arc at that point. But I thought
that I thought it was funny that, you know, look,
we've seen this now we see it another time yet
this season, but we've seen that anyone who sort of
tangles or becomes emotionally involved with Marissa is so obsessed
and emotionally damaged that they act out in violent ways.

(01:05:40):
And you have Alex doing that, you had Oliver doing
that in season one, we have Trey doing it here
at the end of season two. I mean, arguably DJ
didn't do that, but yeah, that it was because he
was kind of a nonentity. Even Luke like got violent
and obsessive about Marissa. So it's there's something something about

(01:06:02):
this this girl that everybody can't get enough of. She'd
be the face that launches a thousand ships. Well you
know what, it's funny that you say that, because I
have a note here about Marissa and oh where is it?
But I was like, hey, is there like a character
in Greek mythology that is so beautiful, like is cursed

(01:06:26):
with beauty? Right, like everyone who sees them becomes obsessed
with them? Yeah, because that's what this feels like here, right, Yeah, yep, yeah, yeah,
here it is is that it's like a love potion
or King Midas sort of fable, you know, like she's
she's so beautiful and so nice that everyone who falls
everyone who meets or falls in love with her and

(01:06:47):
and becomes obsessed with her and eventually becomes violently obsessive. Yeah,
like this horrible curse.

Speaker 3 (01:06:56):
Yeah, and it's that's pretty good. Actually, that's a that's
pretty good because she is somebody who you would think
would be end up being a trophy wife. You know,
kind of like AV I guess maybe, but not as
tragic Ava from the justifying.

Speaker 2 (01:07:12):
Yeah, a little bit, a little bit like I suppose
you know, it's yeah, not not as tragic and maybe
not as helpless at the same time. That's true.

Speaker 3 (01:07:22):
Yeah, that's true.

Speaker 2 (01:07:23):
Yeah, yeah, Ava was a little bit empowered. But but
Marissa feels like very dependent on everyone else to help
her get through. Yeah, deal with Yeah, yeah that's fair.

Speaker 4 (01:07:37):
Uh.

Speaker 2 (01:07:38):
While we're on the topic of Marissa, let's talk about
the Hulk scene, because you know, that's something we have
to talk about. There's a scene very early on in
the second season where Julie asks her how she's doing,
and she loses her mind and screams and throws a
chair into the pool. It's it's a very odd sort

(01:07:58):
of moment. It's memed and made fun of quite a bit.
But not long after that, Julie is determined to send
Marissa away to boarding school, and she talks about her
home and says, this is no environment for a child.

(01:08:19):
And my comment there is that she could be describing
any of the family environments we've seen on the show,
because this is no environment for a child. I mean,
look at summer, like her dad is essentially entirely absentee,
her stepmom is drugged. You've got Kirsten and Sandy, who
in season one seem to be pretty good parents, although

(01:08:40):
you know, arguably not that great. They don't really know
where their kids are and what they're doing at any
point in time, and they've had multiple run ins with
law enforcement. At the age that they're at, you wouldn't
expect that to be the case. But there's never any
consequences in the home of the Cohens. Even when their
kid runs away for the whole summer, there's no consequences.

(01:09:03):
So yeah, no environment for a child, we agree, Yeah,
I do like that.

Speaker 3 (01:09:10):
Kirsten does actually kind of put her foot down and
send Sanny to go ghetto. I'm tired of your hippie
bullshit or whatever she says.

Speaker 2 (01:09:20):
There is a moment there where he says, go bring
him where she says, go bring him home, and you're like, well, wait,
is she talking about Seth or she talking about Ryan?
And she's actually probably talking about both of them quite frankly, Yeah,
that's how it ends up. Yeah, Yeah, let's see. We
see her starting the day with a screwdriver while dancing
in her underwear while skipping school. She's doing well. That's

(01:09:45):
when Cal walks in on our offers to send his
physician up because she says she's not feeling well. She's like, no, no,
I'll be fine.

Speaker 3 (01:09:55):
You know. It is kind of one of the things
that they do here is that everything is accept Like
we've talked about before that oh, you know, all of
a sudden, you know, she Marissa has to move into
Caleb's house and he's supposed to be supposed to be
this authority or father figure to her.

Speaker 2 (01:10:11):
Yeah, while Julie's in Europe or whatever. Yeah. Yeah, the
same thing with Lindsay.

Speaker 3 (01:10:18):
Also, you know, like Lindsay spending time with Caleb and
all of a sudden she wants to you know, he
wants to adopt her. And I don't know, that's the
one thing that you like. I never I mean, he's
so accelerated sometimes it just doesn't feel real.

Speaker 2 (01:10:31):
Yeah, no, you're absolutely right. It's it's the Lindsay plot line,
which I enjoy. Actually, I enjoy the Lindsay plot line
quite a bit. I think it's Yeah, I think it's
one of the better stories of season two. But it's
also kind of as soap opera, e as this show
ever gets. It's very very soap opera, and every you said,
everything's very accelerated, and there's this whole will they won't

(01:10:53):
they from the adoption standpoint that it turns out their
mom's kind of a whore. Maybe you know, why don't
we talk about that right now? Actually it's it's it's
we're here, right So yeah, So Lindsay. Lindsay is a
new character. She shows up, she's uh. She ends up
sort of in a casual relation, makeout relationship with Ryan

(01:11:18):
at some point because they get along pretty well. Uh.
And then it turns out that, uh, you know, Ryan
Forrest gumps his way into finding out Lindsay's secret, which
is that Cal is her dad. They think biological dad,
biology biological her biological father. And when Cal finds out

(01:11:43):
about it, well after he calls Ryan an inland Street thug,
which I enjoyed very much. I like that too, he
he decides, hey, you know what, he has a He
has a heart attack after Ryan confronts him about the
fact that he's, you know, that he's got this daughter
that he's not responsible to, and Cal's a heart attack

(01:12:07):
ends up in the hospital and he comes out of
that a changed man, ostensibly, and he wants to now
adopt Lindsay and wants a relationship with her, and Julie
eventually convinces him to get a paternity test before the
adoption goes through, which really breaks Lindsay's heart because she's like, Hey,
I thought you loved me for me and this shouldn't matter,
blah blah blah. But it's funny because he's so worked

(01:12:34):
up about fucking up with Lindsay, like he's so obsessed
with like trying to do the right thing with Lindsay,
but he's got another daughter, Hayley, who's fucking off halfway
around the world doing god knows what and has been
for god knows how long, and he never mentions her ever.
So it's almost like, oh, I get another chance to

(01:12:56):
do this, Like maybe I won't screw it up this time. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:13:00):
Yeah, that's a good point, because, yeah, we don't know
Haley was what in her I guess maybe mid twenties
or oh when she left.

Speaker 2 (01:13:08):
No, no, no, no, no, we we're pretty sure based
on the math that I've done, I think Haley was
twenty In this season of the OC, I think she
was twenty years old. Oh wow, so yeah, she's like, yeah,
she was like nineteen when she started, yeah, traveling around
the world.

Speaker 3 (01:13:29):
Wow. And then you contrast that with Kirston, who's somewhat
normal I guess.

Speaker 2 (01:13:36):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, well, yeah, somewhat normal alcoholic, you know
who who is obsessed with work and with pleasing her father. Right,
it's the exact sort of the exact opposite of what
Hailey's doing. But Cal doesn't seem too concerned about either
one of those things, right, Yeah, it's true. It's just like, well,

(01:13:57):
there's this new shiny I need to take care of
and the other thing, you know, when when you know
they they don't want to do the paternity test because
Lindsay's mom is like, hey, he might not be the father.
I might have been a little bit of a whore.
But but I what I wrote here is, how do

(01:14:17):
we know it isn't Jimmy Cooper. He's got the red hair,
she's got the red hair. He seems to delight in
cucking Cal at any opportunity, so you know, whether it's
with a daughter or daughters or his wife, who cares?
That's right? Because he's and yeah, yeah, why not is

(01:14:41):
a fair partner too. Eventually Lindsay, eventually there's you know,
there's this blow up at the at the adoption party
that turns into a magazine launch party, and eventually Lindsay
decides to moved to Chicago and disappears and has never

(01:15:02):
heard from again. And Ryan gets all mopey about it
for about thirty seconds, and then and then Marissa shows
up and he completely forgets all about all about Lindsay. Yeah,
it is. It is funny how sort of ephemoral. They
do a really good job here in this respect of

(01:15:23):
sort of painting that ephemeral teenage love thing really well,
because it's like, you know, Ryan couldn't be more concerned
about Lindsay and Caleb and protecting Lindsay and making sure
that everything goes right with Caleb and blah blah blah.
And then Lindsey leaves and the immediate focus of his

(01:15:44):
attention shifts to Marissa, and it's the same story, and
now he's obsessed with her and trying to get her
happy and make sure that she's taken care of and
protected and everything else. It's it's really funny to kind
of examine it from that perspective. Of Yeah, we're going
to talk about teen love and this is how it is.
Ye it waxes and waanes and uh yeah. So let's

(01:16:10):
see here. So we've got Ryan and Lindsay, We've got
Ryan and Marissa. The scene that really or the moment
that really sort of rekindles and it's it's the one
that leads to the confrontation at the beach with Alex
and Ryan. Uh is the night where they get locked
in the shopping mall together. Yeah. Yeah, and they're sleeping

(01:16:33):
in a tent or whatever, and they're they're crawling around,
speaking of twenty four, they're crawling around in the air
vents at the mall. And that's a roomier than the
average rental car. Like I feel like I feel like
Summer could have stood up straight in one of those
air vents if she wanted to. And very clean too,

(01:16:56):
like no dust or dirty side. Yeah, they don't come
out looking like looking like uh Bruce Willis and Diard.
You know when it comes out, sure it's just black
covered in you. Yeah, they come out clean as a whistle.

Speaker 3 (01:17:16):
We should make it. Maybe we could talk about this
as far as like the death of the mall. Right,
we were talking about where we recorded. Yeah, we were recording.
Like a mall used to be a thing.

Speaker 2 (01:17:27):
O the mall. Yeah, the mall used to be a thing.
And that's definitely not I get videos and TikTok sometimes
about people like looking in these looking in these abandoned malls.
Oh yeah, yeah, they're they're wild. I we had one
when I was in my twenties. There was one outside
of Cincinnati where I went to school that was not

(01:17:49):
abandoned entirely, but was in the process of being abandoned entirely.
The entire second floor was empty, and like the first
floor just had a few discount stores, and then like
the basement had a movie theater and it was the Dollar.
It was the Dollar Movie Theater where you could go
to watch like the movies that have been out for
you know, six or eight weeks or whatever you could
pay it to. Yeah, and so I would go there

(01:18:12):
pretty regularly. But it was like the rest of them
all was terrifying ghost town, you know, like like there
was an old carousel that wasn't running anymore and all that,
like the just the creepiest you know, zombie movie stuff
that you can find. It was they had it all
so well, I.

Speaker 3 (01:18:31):
Always think that it's you know, that that's transformed, like
the culture has transformed over the past what twenty years where?
Because I remember because what two thousand, when was the
dot com bubble?

Speaker 4 (01:18:43):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (01:18:45):
Yeah, because that's when people first started buying stuff online.
And I don't know, I remember very clearly that, like,
before I trusted buying something online, I'd want to go
see it physically, you know what I mean, Like I
want to go see whatever, like a shirt or a
pair of or whatever. And then now like people just
like you know, order stuff side of the scene, you know,

(01:19:06):
or they trust the descriptions on Amazon, and you know,
people don't need to do that anymore.

Speaker 2 (01:19:11):
Yeah, you know what I'm talking about. They don't have
to try clothes on anymore. You buy them, they don't fit,
you send them back for first.

Speaker 3 (01:19:18):
You send them back. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:19:19):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:19:21):
One of the one of the greatest retail transformations.

Speaker 2 (01:19:25):
Yeah. And unfortunately it's also left us saddled with the
garbage too. Right, And so you've got this combination of
the convenience of being able to do that coupled with
the well, when you want to buy something specific, now
you get five hundred results ninety eight of them are
not the thing you're looking for. They're just some Chinese
knockoff of the thing you're looking for that you know,

(01:19:47):
the thing you want is forty dollars and this thing
ships for three dollars and fourteen cents and it takes
three weeks to get here because it's because it's being
drop shipped from China.

Speaker 3 (01:19:59):
Yeah, well it is. That is something that's just you know,
that's just changed in the past twenty years, where yeah,
people are just accustomed to doing that, or yeah, but
what we're gonna do with all these malls.

Speaker 2 (01:20:12):
And it's not Yeah, well, I know what you should
do with them. You should got them and tournament shelters
for homeless people. That's what you should say.

Speaker 3 (01:20:21):
Not in my backyard, sir.

Speaker 2 (01:20:24):
That's the great thing about malls. Most of them aren't
in somebody's backyard. Yeah yeah, giant empty parking lots. And
you know, I think the one in my hometown that
was a mall that's now not a mall. They've they've
taken huge pieces of it and they repurposed it. It's
a clinic now it's a mini hospital almost. So oh okay, okay,

(01:20:45):
not a bad idea.

Speaker 3 (01:20:46):
Either I like that you ever see that? Actually, I
can't even think. I don't think I've ever seen a
full episode of How I Met Your Mother, But I
just know there's that song by that girl who's like
she was a pop star.

Speaker 2 (01:20:59):
In the night Spark.

Speaker 3 (01:21:01):
Yeah, yeah, that song is in my head. Let's go
to the mall.

Speaker 2 (01:21:08):
That you know what? There there are some moments that
show is one of the bumpier sort of shows, Like
when it's funny, it's really really funny, and when it's
not funny, it is really not funny. Yeah, and it
doesn't hold up either. You go back and you watch
some of the stuff that that Neil Patrick Harris as
Barney says and you're like, oh, that was that was

(01:21:30):
ever funny? Actually I can't believe my laugh at that.
But much like Entourage that way.

Speaker 3 (01:21:36):
But yeah, yeah, I think Entourage has Yeah, they definitely
have a problem with you know, especially in light of
all these reports of you know, like basically it was
like a big casting couch for you know, like chicks
and one of the chicks being an asshole. But like, oh,
if you wanted to be there, then you have to
you know, do the deed.

Speaker 2 (01:21:58):
Yeah, exactly, to be on the show. How baut do
you want this part? Yeah, yeah, I do, you know.

Speaker 3 (01:22:03):
I do like the observation though, with that whole thing
with the video where like one of them's going, this
looks like it took place in the nineties or the
eighties or like that, and it took place in the nineties,
but things were so behind wherever she was the part
of Canada that it always reminds me of that movie
in Napoleon Dynamite, you know, like, yeah, supposedly take it,

(01:22:27):
but it looks like it's.

Speaker 2 (01:22:28):
Like place because it's a small town. Yeah yeah, you
grown up in a small town? Is like, I'm pretty
sure it just got Prince where I grew up last year.
I didn't even know he's dead already.

Speaker 3 (01:22:45):
Purify yourself in the waters of Lake Minnetonka.

Speaker 2 (01:22:48):
Right, the Prince of the Upper Midwest.

Speaker 3 (01:22:54):
Yeah, well, I like how you know, Dave Chappelle basically
transformed Prince Like it's like, oh, the Dave Chappelle version
of Prince, like he's playing basketball and stuff.

Speaker 2 (01:23:04):
Not not Prince itself.

Speaker 3 (01:23:06):
It's like, oh, I'm serving flabcacs.

Speaker 2 (01:23:09):
Or whatever, right, yes, exactly. Yeah, look, you know Prince,
Prince is one of those kind of elevated, transcendent weirdos, right,
like he's very cool or he was very cool, but
nobody really understood why just this little weird dude, and

(01:23:30):
uh that was cool at the time. So yeah, yeah, uh,
all right, let's see what else do I have here.
I've got a bunch of other sort of plot points.
I'm just trying to wrap up Ryan and Marissa and
cal and Julie before we move on here. Oh, I
want to talk about Marissa's tattoo, so a couple of times,

(01:23:52):
and it becomes a plot point at one point in
the show when she gets this, uh she gets the
tramp stamp, the lower back tattoo, which was again very
popular at the time. And what happened there is that
Misha Barton got a tattoo without talking to the producers
of the show, and so they had to write it

(01:24:13):
into the show because they already had her, like, you know,
wearing wearing these low rise pants that you know, sat
you know, with three inches between her belly button and
the waistline of the pants. So you know, they knew
it was going to show off, so they had to
they had to work it into the into the show somehow,

(01:24:34):
But that's when they're coming back. The Yeah, I don't
mind it, I will say I have it on sex
object Marissa here that that, yeah, I mean And the Auction,
the auction episode where Trey steals the egg. She's got

(01:25:00):
pants on that I don't know. I don't I don't
know how her anatomy works the way it does. Those
pants are so low, like, I don't know how we're
not seeing literally everything. It doesn't It just doesn't add up.
She might be like a Barbie doll or something. I
don't know.

Speaker 3 (01:25:20):
It's like no anatomy whatsoever.

Speaker 2 (01:25:24):
Just blank, smooth plastic.

Speaker 4 (01:25:29):
Oh.

Speaker 2 (01:25:29):
I also have here and this is sort of a bummer.
From the same episode, one of the Newport adults by
summer shoes for sixty dollars. Oh yeah, kind of gross.