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Speaker 1 (00:00):
American sixes six millimeters. I really like six millimeter or
two four three caliber, and I hope after this episode
you will as well. Welcome to Gunfighter Life, the podcast
where we talk about guns, gun fighting, tactics, ballistics the
right way, with all Mighty God at the center, Judeo
(00:22):
Christian values and real world firsthand experience. Not gonna go
through all that experience. There should be some cliff notes
in the show notes. Blessed be the Lord, my rock,
who trains my hands for war and fingers for battle.
The six millimeter. I am gonna start with my favorite,
the two forty three Winchester. Now, a long long time
(00:48):
ago when I moved to the Mountain West and took
a hiatus from hunting a little bit during my time
in the Marine Corps. During my time in LAPD, as
you might imagine, I had a lot of places to
hunt around there, although I did do a little bit
of coyote hunting and stuff. But when I really moved
to the wild West, you know, the greater Yellowstone ecosystem, Idaho, Wyoming,
(01:10):
Montana area, and I wanted to get into it wasn't
exactly flush with cash. I saw at a local Walmart
a youth Model two forty three. No, I had a
three oh weight. I had a very accurate kind of
varmint target barrel three a weight. It was a very
good gun, very accurate. One of the guns I kind
of wish I hadn't sold, but that's not very well suited.
(01:32):
When I started getting out and hiking in rugged, remote
wilderness areas, which is how I like to hunt, spot
and stalk and still hunting, and I saw on that
Walmart shelf a youth model Remington seven hundred and two
forty three. I forget how much I paid for it,
but it was a bargain even way back then, and
I bought it. And I'm gonna be honest with you.
(01:54):
It's not a very pretty gun. It's not very accurate
that I know, plenty of two forty threes are mine
is not ever been very accurate. But it shoots a
couple of mlay and I've used it to take probably
more deer and elk than any other caliber. Used it
guiding some when I was a professional big game hunter
ran guide. I was surprised that the most popular caliber
(02:16):
period that was there was two forty three. Now, I
carried other things as a guide rifle a six or
five creed more in a light, handy, mountain type rifle,
but the most common caliber among the guides was two
forty three. I think sometimes we carried other stuff, right,
if we're going on a buffalo hunter something, we might
carry something bigger. But for all manner of deer size game,
(02:42):
not just whitetail. I'm talking white tail, mule, deer, follow, deer, axis, deer, sick, kadeer.
Two forty three is it's just a phenomenal, phenomenal cartridge.
And here's where it crosses over on the ranch. We
would lose some due to predation. For a predator cartridge.
It's amazing for wolf. Yeah, I've I've taken wolf with it.
(03:06):
It's certainly I think not many would argue that it's
one of the best coyote cartridges. It's a phenomenal cartridge.
Let's go to my Hornity Reloading Manual because it's what
I have in front of me or next to me.
And let's read a little bit about the two forty three.
Now this is not gospel. This is Hornity Reloading manual,
and it's a very old one. The two forty three
(03:28):
a six millimeter cartridge necked down from three to zero
eight case was introduced by Winchester in nineteen fifty five.
Versatility and accuracy of the two forty three Winchester soon
gained its popularity, unsurpassed by any other round in its class.
Much of the original acclaim about the all around capabilities
of the two forty three can be credited to the
(03:51):
late Warren Page shooting editor A Field in Stream magazine. Now,
this is me interjecting here you can with the two
forty three. What makes it so virstaile is you can
shoot fifty five grain up to one hundred grain and
it'll do it all well. And my favorite load and
(04:13):
yesteryear for deer was eighty five grains here a game
king that I handloaded over some varget. Just it just
it was an amazing performer on deer size game, even
very large deer sized game. And I even took a
couple of elk with it, saying it's the best elk caliber.
And you really have to be patient with your shots
and wait for a broadside shot and a lot of
(04:34):
caveats if you're just gonna shoot at a big elk,
because you see it, this is not the cartridge for you.
I'm not saying it's a good even a good elk cartridge,
but it's an adequate elk cartridge. It's a full powered
rifle round, and again very very good for deer sized game.
And where it shines is it's a great varmint cartridge.
So if you're going for varmint up to deer, two
forty three is legit. It's one of the best. It's
(04:58):
a phenomenal cartridge. So fifty five grain up to one
hundred grain. Just this reloading manual, it lists a fifty
eight grain here at thirty eight hundred feet a second.
That's cooking, and it lists a seventy five grain at
thirty four hundred and let's see how how did we
(05:20):
go here? It lists a one hundred grain at three
thousand actually goes up to one hundred and five rain,
although those aren't very common. It also lists that at
three grand, but one hundred grain at three thousand feet
a second. That's a full powered rifle round. That's not
a little bit more than a two two three. It's
a full powered rifle round. It's a little bit less
bullet weight than your traditional one hundred and fifty grain
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three o eight, but again, plenty plenty for deer. It's
a very high velocity, very long, point blank range. It
is a phenomenal deer round enviarmint round. It's a great
low recoil round, which makes it great for you shooting.
(06:03):
But I think that kind of hurts it among I
think men have this thing of like, oh, bigger is better,
you know, Tim the toolman Taylor supersized me. You know,
if an F one fifty is better and F three
fifty is way better, not always. If if all you
need is an F one fifty, right, you don't need
an F three fifty to haul year, you know, monthly
supplies from Costco. You know, it's just if you need
(06:26):
an F three fifty, then get one, but a two
forty three. I think if I'm making sense here, because
it is such a good low recoil youth cartridge, women's
cartridge that a lot of men think, oh it's it's
it's less stand for deer, but it's it's phenomenal for deer.
I don't think it's less, and I think it's one
(06:47):
of the best deer calibers on planet Earth. Period end
of sentence. Now let's look at another cartridge, the six
millimeters Remington. Now, this was also Remington, introduced by Remington
in nineteen sixty three. This is coming from the Hornity
reload e Manuel again to replace the original nineteen fifty
(07:08):
five version, the two forty four Remington. So let's talk
about that, first, the two forty four Remington and then
later the six millimeter Remington. I do believe I don't
see it in here. Oh, it isn't here based on
the seven by fifty seven Malser, which kind of in
its own right makes it cool because we don't have
a lot of wildcats based on the European cartridges here.
(07:28):
We generally wildcat our own cartridges, so it's pretty cool
that it's based on a seven by fifty seven. Now,
this kind of lost back in the day. There was
a kind of a big rivalry between the six milimeter
Remington and the two forty three, And much like many rounds,
it didn't lose out because it wasn't a great round ballistically.
(07:49):
It lost out to some other reasons, perhaps marketing, perhaps
because Remington gave it too slow of a trust rate.
A one to twelve Remington was really bad for this.
Back in the day, I don't though if they fixed
it or not, but they used to just kind of
spin everything one in twelve, three h eight, one and
twelve six milimeters Remington one in twelve, but one and
twelve is not generally suitable for the heavier bullet you
(08:10):
want to shoot. So if people wanted a crossover deer chartrige,
they saw two forty three as a superior round, even
though you actually got more power out of the six
milimeter Remington. So here, if we look, we get a
seventy five grain bullet at thirty four hundred feet a second.
It's no slouch. It does have a little bit more
(08:31):
powder capacity. And I don't know how high we go
here in the Hornity Reloading manual, we're going to one
hundred grain at three thousand, so pretty much identical to
the two forty three at least in this manual freeloading data.
But I do believe it actually has a little bit
more powder capacity. So I think in some manuals you
can get a little bit more power out of the
(08:52):
six milimeter Remington. Kind of a shame that marketing or
twist rate or whatever kills it. It is a very
good round, and if you are looking for a ground
in this class, and you are a reloader, If you
were buying factory m I would say, really stick with
the two forty three. But if you're a reloader and
you see a good deal on a six milimeter Remington,
(09:13):
there is nothing wrong with a six milimeter Remington. Next
we're going to move up to the hot rod, the
most powerful six milimeter. I'm aware of an existence. There
may be something by like Lazaroni or something. I don't
have that data in front of me. But the two
forty weather be magnum, it says right here in the
(09:33):
reloading manual, most powerful of all the factory loaded six
milimeters commercially available. It is enough added power powder capacity
to drive a one hundred grain spire point at a
velocity three hundred feet per second, faster than either the
two forty three or the six milimeter Remington in size.
The two forty case head is the same as this
(09:54):
thirty six and has nearly identical powder capacity. So imagine
this is me interjecting. Imagine a thirty out six neck
down to six millimeter, which is quite a bit of
necking down, and then with a belt, so you get
a belted magnum. That's pretty cool. This manual is say,
(10:19):
fifty eight grain bullet at thirty nine hundred feet a second.
And if we look at a seventy five grain, which
is not an unpopular grain weight thirty five hundred feet
a second. And if we look at let's see here
we go to a one hundred grain bullet at thirty
two hundred feet per second. Again, it's the hot rod.
(10:41):
It's the big boy. It's a the two forty three
I consider a full powered rife around, not an intermediate.
It's a full powered rife around. Right, it's a neck
down three o eight. This is kind of quasi, probably
not properly, but a neck down thirty out six. It's
it's a hot rod of a cartridge. If you are
looking for max velocity on deer side game, if you
still ascribe to the max point blank range hunting philosophy,
(11:04):
which I generally do, two forty weather be is legit.
Now you're gonna give up. You're gonna have more recoil.
You're gonna get more recoil than you would out of
a two forty three. So if you want a very
low recoiling, round two forty three is probably still your
best bet. If you want a hot rod flat shooting
six millimeter, you know, launching one hundred Dishcrain bullets or less,
(11:28):
this might be your your one. Right the only the
other thing you're gonna give up is barrel life, So
you're gonna get quite a bit less barrel life. Now,
if it's just hunting, not for target shooting, you probably
aren't gonna wear out your barrel. Let's be honest. But
it's a phenomenal cartridge. I would suggest, unless you just
have a lot of money, be a handloader, because whether
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be ammunition is not cheap, but it's very good. So
again there's a trade off there for general purpose hunting
two forty three. If you want to max point blank range,
hot rod six milimeter to forty weather beat is an
amazing cartridge. Now let's go to a round that is
much newer. It is going to be so no, it's
(12:12):
not in my reloading manual, so I'll probably look it
up on Wikipedia. You give credit where it's due. But
this is the six millimeter creed More. Now, as soon
as you say Creedmore, some people cringe, but nothing wrong
with us. With us creamore, you might think, oh, six
milimeter cree More. It's going to be more powerful than
the two forty three. It is not. It's going to
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have less powder capacity, much like the sixty five creed
More is no more powerful than the two to sixty
Remington that it kind of replaced. Much like the sixty
five crea More, it's based on the thirty Thompson center case,
which is shorter and smaller than it's three oh eight,
But that shorter case lets you load longer bullets and
(12:54):
remain in the short action realm. So this really doesn't
make a lot of sense unless you want to shoot
the longer, heavier bullets longer than one hundred grain, and
you could do that in a custom build in a
two forty three, and there's no no worries about that,
but a turnkey solution just buying the gun and aimal
off the shelf. You want to shoot heavier bullets in
a six millimeter, then you might look at the six
(13:16):
creed More And actually the Wikipedia doesn't even have an
entry for six milimeter creed More. It is just a
sub you know, wild cated version on the Wikipedia page,
which I know it's not anymore. It's a factory loaded round.
So I don't want to rip off somebody else's work
like I see some other you know, podcast people talking
(13:37):
about six screed more. But kind of to reiterate what
I said, it's not more powerful than a two forty three,
but it lends itself better if you want to shoot
heavier bullets. Where this is really caught on as long range,
not max point blank ranging, but fidget spinners for men,
where you get a giant rifle and a giant scope
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and whistles, and you don't just have a rifle and
of scope and a sling. You have a rifle and
of scope and a sling and a giant scope and
a bunch of turnedial knobs on the scope, and a
laser range finder and a big heavy bipod maybe a tripod,
be a quick detached mount, maybe a side by side
to ride around on, because your rifle's now so heavy
you don't want to hike with it. But if that's
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what you're into, it can be very effective. And if
that's what you're into, you're gonna gravitate more towards a
six screed more if you're more of a ult school
spot in stalk hunter, max point blank range two forty
three is a good round if you really want to
push you out on hot rod. It the two forty weathery.
Now the last one we're going to talk about is
a new kid on the block. I can't believe that
six screedmore does not have a page, but this one does.
(14:43):
The six millimeter ARC Advanced rifle cartridge. So you know
that it's advanced. It must be more powerful right now,
it's not. It's not even close to like a two
forty three. This will be from the Wikipedia page. It's
an intermediate rifle cartridge. So all the ones i've heretoforementioned
or full powered rifle cartridge, this is an intermediate rifle
(15:04):
cartridge introduced by Hornity in twenty twenty, low recoil, high accuracy,
long range cartridge designed for use in the M sixteen
and M four platforms. So they say that I would
have said the AR fifteen. But if you're looking for
a six millimeter off the shelf in a AR pattern rifle,
(15:29):
then six arc is kind of your choice. Now there's
some pool Wildcats, one of my favorites, but I'm not
going to talk about that here. It says here parent
case two twenty Russian, which is in and of itself
really cool. Or the six five Grendel, which is a
good cartridge, And again this is going to be fear longer,
heavier bullets, So not if you're looking for high velocity
(15:51):
like fifty something grain varmint cartridges. The lowest one hundred
and three grain at twenty eight hundred, which is pretty
respectable for such a little baby of a cartridge. It
lists a one hundred and five grain at twenty seven
to fifty and one hundred and eight grain at twenty
seven to fifty. Now for the average hunter, or unless
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you're doing extreme long range stuff, is there gonna be
much difference in one hundred grain and one hundred and
eight grain. No, not really, And a lot of those
be careful, Like the six creeds and this one the arc,
A lot of those are gonna be target bullets. Target
bullets are made for targets. Game bullets are made for game. Sure,
you can kill game with a target bullet, you can
kill game with a full metal jacket, you can kill
game with a rock or a stick. Doesn't make it
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the best tool for the job, so just keep that
in mind. These were geared towards long extreme long range shooting.
Now looking at the bolitticcks of that little guy. That
also would be a very cool cartridge in a light,
handy mountain rifle. There'd be nothing wrong with it. Will
it stick around? Will it be available in three or
four years? I don't know. The two forty three almost certainly,
as long as we have a gun manufacturing industry that's robust,
(16:58):
we'll have two forty three. So really nothing has replaced
the two forty three age kind of your go to
easy hunting six milimeter. But some of these other cartridges again,
do have a niche. Do you want it in an
ar pattern, go for the arc. Do you want extreme
power in a six milimeter, go for the two forty
Weathery you just find a sweet deal on an old
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six milimeter Remington and you handload. It's a good cartridge.
But kind of the thing I want to say in
closing is, don't consider full powered rifle rounds like I
hope that you have stopped considering rounds like a two
forty three or six milimeters Remington less than for deer,
like only a kid's cartridge. They are again, I think
(17:41):
some of the best deer cartridges period, And that's not
that you have to hunt with that, but I think
they get pushed into that corner where like it can
be somebody's very good first deer rifle, but then they think, oh,
I've got to get something more powerful. But you don't
do use the truck analogy we talked about the F
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one fifty. Your first truck could be you save up
your first couple of jobs and you get an old
nineteen nineties four f one fifty. Now, you could get
a different truck later if you want, But if you
wanted to stick with that old nineteen nineties mid nineties
Ford F one fifty for the rest of your life
or a similar model, it probably do you just fine.
(18:22):
Just some thoughts there on the six milimeter. The six
millimeters are a good cartridge family, and I thought they
were worth a discussion. I did one on the eight millimeters.
I likely won't do one like this on the sevens
or the thirties because it would just be rattling off
cartridges in a list, and it would be crazy long
because there are so many. There's not nearly as many
six millimeters or especially eight millimeters. So I hope you
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enjoyed this cartridge talk on different six millimeters don't be
afraid to comment. You know, is six milimeters the best?
You're a big fan of the six millimeter or do
you think it's slightly better than a BB gun not
suitable for anything above a chipmunk. Let me hear your
thoughts anyway. With that guise, I appreciate you. I appreciate
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all that you do, and have a blessed day.
American sixes six millimeters. I really like six millimeter or
two four three caliber, and I hope after this episode
you will as well. Welcome to Gunfighter Life, the podcast
where we talk about guns, gun fighting, tactics, ballistics the
right way, with all Mighty God at the center, Judeo
(00:22):
Christian values and real world firsthand experience. Not gonna go
through all that experience. There should be some cliff notes
in the show notes. Blessed be the Lord, my rock,
who trains my hands for war and fingers for battle.
The six millimeter. I am gonna start with my favorite,
the two forty three Winchester. Now, a long long time
(00:48):
ago when I moved to the Mountain West and took
a hiatus from hunting a little bit during my time
in the Marine Corps. During my time in LAPD, as
you might imagine, I had a lot of places to
hunt around there, although I did do a little bit
of coyote hunting and stuff. But when I really moved
to the wild West, you know, the greater Yellowstone ecosystem, Idaho, Wyoming,
(01:10):
Montana area, and I wanted to get into it wasn't
exactly flush with cash. I saw at a local Walmart
a youth Model two forty three. No, I had a
three oh weight. I had a very accurate kind of
varmint target barrel three a weight. It was a very
good gun, very accurate. One of the guns I kind
of wish I hadn't sold, but that's not very well suited.
(01:32):
When I started getting out and hiking in rugged, remote
wilderness areas, which is how I like to hunt, spot
and stalk and still hunting, and I saw on that
Walmart shelf a youth model Remington seven hundred and two
forty three. I forget how much I paid for it,
but it was a bargain even way back then, and
I bought it. And I'm gonna be honest with you.
(01:54):
It's not a very pretty gun. It's not very accurate
that I know, plenty of two forty threes are mine
is not ever been very accurate. But it shoots a
couple of mlay and I've used it to take probably
more deer and elk than any other caliber. Used it
guiding some when I was a professional big game hunter
ran guide. I was surprised that the most popular caliber
(02:16):
period that was there was two forty three. Now, I
carried other things as a guide rifle a six or
five creed more in a light, handy, mountain type rifle,
but the most common caliber among the guides was two
forty three. I think sometimes we carried other stuff, right,
if we're going on a buffalo hunter something, we might
carry something bigger. But for all manner of deer size game,
(02:42):
not just whitetail. I'm talking white tail, mule, deer, follow, deer, axis, deer, sick, kadeer.
Two forty three is it's just a phenomenal, phenomenal cartridge.
And here's where it crosses over on the ranch. We
would lose some due to predation. For a predator cartridge.
It's amazing for wolf. Yeah, I've I've taken wolf with it.
(03:06):
It's certainly I think not many would argue that it's
one of the best coyote cartridges. It's a phenomenal cartridge.
Let's go to my Hornity Reloading Manual because it's what
I have in front of me or next to me.
And let's read a little bit about the two forty three.
Now this is not gospel. This is Hornity Reloading manual,
and it's a very old one. The two forty three
(03:28):
a six millimeter cartridge necked down from three to zero
eight case was introduced by Winchester in nineteen fifty five.
Versatility and accuracy of the two forty three Winchester soon
gained its popularity, unsurpassed by any other round in its class.
Much of the original acclaim about the all around capabilities
of the two forty three can be credited to the
(03:51):
late Warren Page shooting editor A Field in Stream magazine. Now,
this is me interjecting here you can with the two
forty three. What makes it so virstaile is you can
shoot fifty five grain up to one hundred grain and
it'll do it all well. And my favorite load and
(04:13):
yesteryear for deer was eighty five grains here a game
king that I handloaded over some varget. Just it just
it was an amazing performer on deer size game, even
very large deer sized game. And I even took a
couple of elk with it, saying it's the best elk caliber.
And you really have to be patient with your shots
and wait for a broadside shot and a lot of
(04:34):
caveats if you're just gonna shoot at a big elk,
because you see it, this is not the cartridge for you.
I'm not saying it's a good even a good elk cartridge,
but it's an adequate elk cartridge. It's a full powered
rifle round, and again very very good for deer sized game.
And where it shines is it's a great varmint cartridge.
So if you're going for varmint up to deer, two
forty three is legit. It's one of the best. It's
(04:58):
a phenomenal cartridge. So fifty five grain up to one
hundred grain. Just this reloading manual, it lists a fifty
eight grain here at thirty eight hundred feet a second.
That's cooking, and it lists a seventy five grain at
thirty four hundred and let's see how how did we
(05:20):
go here? It lists a one hundred grain at three
thousand actually goes up to one hundred and five rain,
although those aren't very common. It also lists that at
three grand, but one hundred grain at three thousand feet
a second. That's a full powered rifle round. That's not
a little bit more than a two two three. It's
a full powered rifle round. It's a little bit less
bullet weight than your traditional one hundred and fifty grain
(05:42):
three o eight, but again, plenty plenty for deer. It's
a very high velocity, very long, point blank range. It
is a phenomenal deer round enviarmint round. It's a great
low recoil round, which makes it great for you shooting.
(06:03):
But I think that kind of hurts it among I
think men have this thing of like, oh, bigger is better,
you know, Tim the toolman Taylor supersized me. You know,
if an F one fifty is better and F three
fifty is way better, not always. If if all you
need is an F one fifty, right, you don't need
an F three fifty to haul year, you know, monthly
supplies from Costco. You know, it's just if you need
(06:26):
an F three fifty, then get one, but a two
forty three. I think if I'm making sense here, because
it is such a good low recoil youth cartridge, women's
cartridge that a lot of men think, oh it's it's
it's less stand for deer, but it's it's phenomenal for deer.
I don't think it's less, and I think it's one
(06:47):
of the best deer calibers on planet Earth. Period end
of sentence. Now let's look at another cartridge, the six
millimeters Remington. Now, this was also Remington, introduced by Remington
in nineteen sixty three. This is coming from the Hornity
reload e Manuel again to replace the original nineteen fifty
(07:08):
five version, the two forty four Remington. So let's talk
about that, first, the two forty four Remington and then
later the six millimeter Remington. I do believe I don't
see it in here. Oh, it isn't here based on
the seven by fifty seven Malser, which kind of in
its own right makes it cool because we don't have
a lot of wildcats based on the European cartridges here.
(07:28):
We generally wildcat our own cartridges, so it's pretty cool
that it's based on a seven by fifty seven. Now,
this kind of lost back in the day. There was
a kind of a big rivalry between the six milimeter
Remington and the two forty three, And much like many rounds,
it didn't lose out because it wasn't a great round ballistically.
(07:49):
It lost out to some other reasons, perhaps marketing, perhaps
because Remington gave it too slow of a trust rate.
A one to twelve Remington was really bad for this.
Back in the day, I don't though if they fixed
it or not, but they used to just kind of
spin everything one in twelve, three h eight, one and
twelve six milimeters Remington one in twelve, but one and
twelve is not generally suitable for the heavier bullet you
(08:10):
want to shoot. So if people wanted a crossover deer chartrige,
they saw two forty three as a superior round, even
though you actually got more power out of the six
milimeter Remington. So here, if we look, we get a
seventy five grain bullet at thirty four hundred feet a second.
It's no slouch. It does have a little bit more
(08:31):
powder capacity. And I don't know how high we go
here in the Hornity Reloading manual, we're going to one
hundred grain at three thousand, so pretty much identical to
the two forty three at least in this manual freeloading data.
But I do believe it actually has a little bit
more powder capacity. So I think in some manuals you
can get a little bit more power out of the
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six milimeter Remington. Kind of a shame that marketing or
twist rate or whatever kills it. It is a very
good round, and if you are looking for a ground
in this class, and you are a reloader, If you
were buying factory m I would say, really stick with
the two forty three. But if you're a reloader and
you see a good deal on a six milimeter Remington,
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there is nothing wrong with a six milimeter Remington. Next
we're going to move up to the hot rod, the
most powerful six milimeter. I'm aware of an existence. There
may be something by like Lazaroni or something. I don't
have that data in front of me. But the two
forty weather be magnum, it says right here in the
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reloading manual, most powerful of all the factory loaded six
milimeters commercially available. It is enough added power powder capacity
to drive a one hundred grain spire point at a
velocity three hundred feet per second, faster than either the
two forty three or the six milimeter Remington in size.
The two forty case head is the same as this
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thirty six and has nearly identical powder capacity. So imagine
this is me interjecting. Imagine a thirty out six neck
down to six millimeter, which is quite a bit of
necking down, and then with a belt, so you get
a belted magnum. That's pretty cool. This manual is say,
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fifty eight grain bullet at thirty nine hundred feet a second.
And if we look at a seventy five grain, which
is not an unpopular grain weight thirty five hundred feet
a second. And if we look at let's see here
we go to a one hundred grain bullet at thirty
two hundred feet per second. Again, it's the hot rod.
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It's the big boy. It's a the two forty three
I consider a full powered rife around, not an intermediate.
It's a full powered rife around. Right, it's a neck
down three o eight. This is kind of quasi, probably
not properly, but a neck down thirty out six. It's
it's a hot rod of a cartridge. If you are
looking for max velocity on deer side game, if you
still ascribe to the max point blank range hunting philosophy,
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which I generally do, two forty weather be is legit.
Now you're gonna give up. You're gonna have more recoil.
You're gonna get more recoil than you would out of
a two forty three. So if you want a very
low recoiling, round two forty three is probably still your
best bet. If you want a hot rod flat shooting
six millimeter, you know, launching one hundred Dishcrain bullets or less,
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this might be your your one. Right the only the
other thing you're gonna give up is barrel life, So
you're gonna get quite a bit less barrel life. Now,
if it's just hunting, not for target shooting, you probably
aren't gonna wear out your barrel. Let's be honest. But
it's a phenomenal cartridge. I would suggest, unless you just
have a lot of money, be a handloader, because whether
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be ammunition is not cheap, but it's very good. So
again there's a trade off there for general purpose hunting
two forty three. If you want to max point blank range,
hot rod six milimeter to forty weather beat is an
amazing cartridge. Now let's go to a round that is
much newer. It is going to be so no, it's
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not in my reloading manual, so I'll probably look it
up on Wikipedia. You give credit where it's due. But
this is the six millimeter creed More. Now, as soon
as you say Creedmore, some people cringe, but nothing wrong
with us. With us creamore, you might think, oh, six
milimeter cree More. It's going to be more powerful than
the two forty three. It is not. It's going to
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have less powder capacity, much like the sixty five creed
More is no more powerful than the two to sixty
Remington that it kind of replaced. Much like the sixty
five crea More, it's based on the thirty Thompson center case,
which is shorter and smaller than it's three oh eight,
But that shorter case lets you load longer bullets and
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remain in the short action realm. So this really doesn't
make a lot of sense unless you want to shoot
the longer, heavier bullets longer than one hundred grain, and
you could do that in a custom build in a
two forty three, and there's no no worries about that,
but a turnkey solution just buying the gun and aimal
off the shelf. You want to shoot heavier bullets in
a six millimeter, then you might look at the six
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creed More And actually the Wikipedia doesn't even have an
entry for six milimeter creed More. It is just a
sub you know, wild cated version on the Wikipedia page,
which I know it's not anymore. It's a factory loaded round.
So I don't want to rip off somebody else's work
like I see some other you know, podcast people talking
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about six screed more. But kind of to reiterate what
I said, it's not more powerful than a two forty three,
but it lends itself better if you want to shoot
heavier bullets. Where this is really caught on as long range,
not max point blank ranging, but fidget spinners for men,
where you get a giant rifle and a giant scope
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and whistles, and you don't just have a rifle and
of scope and a sling. You have a rifle and
of scope and a sling and a giant scope and
a bunch of turnedial knobs on the scope, and a
laser range finder and a big heavy bipod maybe a tripod,
be a quick detached mount, maybe a side by side
to ride around on, because your rifle's now so heavy
you don't want to hike with it. But if that's
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what you're into, it can be very effective. And if
that's what you're into, you're gonna gravitate more towards a
six screed more if you're more of a ult school
spot in stalk hunter, max point blank range two forty
three is a good round if you really want to
push you out on hot rod. It the two forty weathery.
Now the last one we're going to talk about is
a new kid on the block. I can't believe that
six screedmore does not have a page, but this one does.
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The six millimeter ARC Advanced rifle cartridge. So you know
that it's advanced. It must be more powerful right now,
it's not. It's not even close to like a two
forty three. This will be from the Wikipedia page. It's
an intermediate rifle cartridge. So all the ones i've heretoforementioned
or full powered rifle cartridge, this is an intermediate rifle
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cartridge introduced by Hornity in twenty twenty, low recoil, high accuracy,
long range cartridge designed for use in the M sixteen
and M four platforms. So they say that I would
have said the AR fifteen. But if you're looking for
a six millimeter off the shelf in a AR pattern rifle,
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then six arc is kind of your choice. Now there's
some pool Wildcats, one of my favorites, but I'm not
going to talk about that here. It says here parent
case two twenty Russian, which is in and of itself
really cool. Or the six five Grendel, which is a
good cartridge, And again this is going to be fear longer,
heavier bullets, So not if you're looking for high velocity
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like fifty something grain varmint cartridges. The lowest one hundred
and three grain at twenty eight hundred, which is pretty
respectable for such a little baby of a cartridge. It
lists a one hundred and five grain at twenty seven
to fifty and one hundred and eight grain at twenty
seven to fifty. Now for the average hunter, or unless
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you're doing extreme long range stuff, is there gonna be
much difference in one hundred grain and one hundred and
eight grain. No, not really, And a lot of those
be careful, Like the six creeds and this one the arc,
A lot of those are gonna be target bullets. Target
bullets are made for targets. Game bullets are made for game. Sure,
you can kill game with a target bullet, you can
kill game with a full metal jacket, you can kill
game with a rock or a stick. Doesn't make it
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the best tool for the job, so just keep that
in mind. These were geared towards long extreme long range shooting.
Now looking at the bolitticcks of that little guy. That
also would be a very cool cartridge in a light,
handy mountain rifle. There'd be nothing wrong with it. Will
it stick around? Will it be available in three or
four years? I don't know. The two forty three almost certainly,
as long as we have a gun manufacturing industry that's robust,
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we'll have two forty three. So really nothing has replaced
the two forty three age kind of your go to
easy hunting six milimeter. But some of these other cartridges again,
do have a niche. Do you want it in an
ar pattern, go for the arc. Do you want extreme
power in a six milimeter, go for the two forty
Weathery you just find a sweet deal on an old
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six milimeter Remington and you handload. It's a good cartridge.
But kind of the thing I want to say in
closing is, don't consider full powered rifle rounds like I
hope that you have stopped considering rounds like a two
forty three or six milimeters Remington less than for deer,
like only a kid's cartridge. They are again, I think
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some of the best deer cartridges period, And that's not
that you have to hunt with that, but I think
they get pushed into that corner where like it can
be somebody's very good first deer rifle, but then they think, oh,
I've got to get something more powerful. But you don't
do use the truck analogy we talked about the F
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one fifty. Your first truck could be you save up
your first couple of jobs and you get an old
nineteen nineties four f one fifty. Now, you could get
a different truck later if you want, But if you
wanted to stick with that old nineteen nineties mid nineties
Ford F one fifty for the rest of your life
or a similar model, it probably do you just fine.
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Just some thoughts there on the six milimeter. The six
millimeters are a good cartridge family, and I thought they
were worth a discussion. I did one on the eight millimeters.
I likely won't do one like this on the sevens
or the thirties because it would just be rattling off
cartridges in a list, and it would be crazy long
because there are so many. There's not nearly as many
six millimeters or especially eight millimeters. So I hope you
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enjoyed this cartridge talk on different six millimeters don't be
afraid to comment. You know, is six milimeters the best?
You're a big fan of the six millimeter or do
you think it's slightly better than a BB gun not
suitable for anything above a chipmunk. Let me hear your
thoughts anyway. With that guise, I appreciate you. I appreciate
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all that you do, and have a blessed day.
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