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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Mattraside pasture, side usurping. What does that have to do
with gunfighting. Well, today we're gonna talk about cartridges that
killed their parents, like cartridges that became more popular than
the actual parent cartridge that birthed them. If you will,
welcome to Gunfighter Life, the podcast where we talk about guns,
(00:22):
gun fighting, tactics, ballistics, the right way, with God at
the center, Judeo Christian values, and real world firsthand experience
on that bio in the show notes, blessed to be
here serving you today. Blessed be the Lord of my rock,
who trains my hands for war and my fingers for battle.
(00:42):
You see many times cartridges come out and then people
wildcat them, either companies or individuals, which we call wildcatting.
Speaker 2 (00:52):
They will take it. They'll neck it up, they'll neck
it down.
Speaker 1 (00:54):
They'll change this, they'll change that, they'll change some angles,
they'll give it different shoulders, they'll do all kinds of
stuff in wildcat it. Or maybe companies will do this.
And this happens all the time, Like with the two
seventy from the thirty out six.
Speaker 2 (01:08):
You nicke it down. Winchester did this.
Speaker 1 (01:10):
They nicke it down to zero point twenty seven to
seven caliber, and we have the two seventy that doesn't
count for today's episode. It did. It never became more
popular than the thirty out six. It's popular, not as
popular as the thirty out six. It did not kill
its parents. It did not usurped the throne, as as
you might put it if you anthropomorphized it. But a
(01:32):
cartridge that did usurped the throne is the three to
oh eight. Now, hold on, I'm not saying it's better,
but I think you'd be hard pressed to argue that
the three to oh eight is not more popular than
the thirty out six. The three to oh eight is
a child of the thirty out six. It was the
thirty out six the military said, this is good. We
(01:53):
can make it more efficient, we can shorten it, get
a shorter rifle, shorter action, and they did. They came
out with a three toh eight, and there we go.
Speaker 2 (02:05):
The three to oh eight usurped the throne.
Speaker 1 (02:10):
Three oh eight is more popular than the thirty six,
Although both are very very good cartridges and stable cartridges.
I think the three o eight is more popular now.
The one that really really stands out to me is
the six y five Creedmore. The six y five creed
More is, in fact an adaptation of an older cartridge.
(02:32):
I think many people listening may not even know what
that older cartridge is.
Speaker 2 (02:36):
Do you can you name it.
Speaker 1 (02:40):
The thirty Thompson Center A flash in the pan. That
cartridge went the way of the Dodo pretty quick. It
did not do well, let's just put it that way.
I don't know if that was wrapped up in the
whole thing with Thompson Center having trouble, or just the
fact that it was already three weights, already a short action,
(03:02):
So you make it a little bit shorter in a
thirty caliber and you get the same ballistics.
Speaker 2 (03:07):
Okay, but a.
Speaker 1 (03:08):
Lot of companies aren't gonna engineer an entirely new action
to make it just a little bit shorter when short
action is kind of the standard action now. Anyway, the
thirty Thompson Center never was popular. The six y five
creed More has become perhaps the only cartridge in the
past fifty years that has really become a mainstay in
(03:29):
the American shooter's diet. The six y five crea More
certainly epitomizes today's episode more popular. A great mild mannered cartridge.
It's got you know, high blistic coefficient, high sectional density.
This was really the first, and there was others before this,
but the really first popular American six point five millimeter.
(03:51):
There are many now, but six y five cream more.
You know, there was a two sixty, there was a
sixty five, y fifty five sweet those never really took
off on the American market. Both good cartridges, but the
six to five three more did take off like a rocket,
and it certainly certainly buried the parent cartridge of the
(04:12):
thirty Thompson Center. So that certainly again kind of a
shining example of what we're talking about today. Much like
the six fives were not popular here in America, the
eight millimeters were not popular here in America for a while.
The sevens and the seven is still are real popular
(04:33):
in America. The seven was probably the first common, you know,
French Revolution metric system cartridge that was popular here in
the US. The seven milimeter rem mag and Remington thought,
I guess they thought something like, well, the seven milimeter
remmags doing well, let's get the eight millimeter Remington magnum.
Speaker 2 (04:53):
Well that didn't do well. The eight milimeter rem mag
is all.
Speaker 1 (04:57):
But dead, today. I I don't know if anybody, Well,
it's certainly dead. If you consider dead being nobody chambering
for it. It's dead, like nobody's chambering a new rifle
from the factory mass produced an eight milimeter Remington magnum.
It's a good cartridge. It's an impressive cartridge. Well, it's
not just the seven milimeter remmag necked up. It's a big,
big magnum cartridge. Somebody thought, well, let me take this
(05:20):
and neck it back down, or neck it down to
seven millimeter ironically, right, And that is the seven millimeter STW.
I think that one did better than the eight milimeter ever,
did I still see sometimes seven millimeter STW. It's still
kind of dead itself. Like, I don't think anybody's chambering
(05:41):
a brand new rifle in seven millimeter STW. But it
did better than the parents. It lasted a little bit longer.
I think was a little bit more popular than the
eight milimeter REMMAG. The seven millimeter STW is just a
crazy hot cartridge. It makes the seven milimeter REMMG look
pretty pedestrian comparison. Both good cartridges. The eight milimeter Remmag
(06:03):
is a good cartridge to seven milimeter STW is a
good cartridge. I think the STW Shooting Times Western did
better than the eight milimeter.
Speaker 2 (06:11):
Rem maag.
Speaker 1 (06:14):
The next one sticking with seven millimeter kind of chat.
The two eighty AI actly improved, actally improved. A bunch
of cartridges, most of them were kind of just wildcat stuff.
This one made it mainstream. This one made it the
prime time news, right. The two eighty AI and the
two eighty was a it's a great cartridge. Remington I
(06:36):
think didn't market it right, didn't do whatever right. The
two eighty not great as far as popularity. It's a
great cartridge, but not great as far as sales and popularity.
The two eighty AI, the actally improved version, it's perhaps
the only AI I know of that's more popular than
the parent cartridge. There's a bunch of AIS, twenty two
(06:57):
to fifty AI, thirty six AI, there's a bunch right,
but too eighty AI actually improved is the only one
that really made it mainstream, and it's more popular today.
I think you're gonna have an easier time getting a
rifle chambered in two eighty AI today than you are
getting one chambered in two eighty There are several companies
that make to eighty AI. It's a great, well balanced,
(07:20):
efficient cartridge. You might look at it and be like,
why don't I just get a seven milimeter remmat because
it's more powerful, And it is, but it's not more efficient.
You're burning a lot more powder to get arguably very
little more velocity. So the two eighty AI is a fantastic,
well rounded cartridge. If I'm being honest, I'm saying I'm
gonna say it's probably the best all around western cartridge
(07:42):
in North America if you exclude things like brown Bear,
but like all around, you know, even toad undulids achieve
a cut. It's a fantastic, fantastic round for that too.
Eighty AI is awesome. It's an awesome round, and it
I think think again usurped the throne. It's more popular
(08:03):
and you can get more rifles chambered in it today
than to eighty So it's a fantastic pick. This next
one you're probably familiar with if you're familiar with varmint hunting,
one of the all time best varmint cartridges I think
would make the list on almost any of them. The
two twenty Swift, and it's got a good name because
(08:27):
it is swift. Per the wiki, it's launching a forty
grain bullet at forty two one hundred feet per second.
That is screaming, especially considering it came out in nineteen
thirty five. But it was based on an older cartridge,
a cartridge that unless you're really steep in American military
(08:48):
history and nuance, you probably don't know because I'm going
to consider a failed military experiment the six millimeter Lee
Navy rifle and cartridge. And again, unless you're the one
of the most hardcore history people, you're probably I don't
mean the hardcore history podcast. I mean you're just hardcore
into American history and American militarya. You're probably not familiar
(09:10):
with the six milimeter Lee Navy. Probably never seen a
rifle in six milimeter Lee Navy. I've never I don't
think I've ever seen a rifle in six millimeter Lee Navy.
Speaker 2 (09:19):
But it's you know, cartridge that came from it.
Speaker 1 (09:24):
It's child the the UH to twenty Swift's still alive
and well, people still shoot two twenty swift today. To
twenty Swift, you know, was much more mainstream and popular
than the six milimeter Lee Navy ever was. It's a
fantastic cartridge from nineteen thirty five to today. Again, a
(09:44):
forty grand bullet of forty two hundred feet a second.
That's crazy high velocities today today. And this is an
old cartridge ninety years old. The next one and the
final one, I think we're gonna close with unless one
pops into my head mom talking about this one, the
twenty two to fifty. This one's perhaps only second in
(10:09):
popularity to the two two three as far as varmint
cartridges and high velocity twenty two cartridges, twenty two two
fifty is an awesome cartridge. It's a staple for varmin hunters.
And why is it called the twenty two two fifty,
Well because it's based on the two fifty three thousand Savage.
That was a cool cartridge for its time. It was
(10:31):
around for a while the you know, early to.
Speaker 2 (10:34):
Mid twentieth century.
Speaker 1 (10:37):
But you know, try going and finding a rifle in
two fifty three thousand Savage today again, that's a good
Cartridge's the cool cartridge. It's if you're really into niche
stuff and uh like Americana, you want to go out
and hunt with the Jones hat and ll Bean boots
and a Savage ninety nine and two fifty three thousand.
It's a cool cartridge. It's a decent deer cartridge, especially
for the time. But you're probably not going to find
(11:00):
a new rifle chambered in I'm you're certainly not going
to find a new rifle chambered in two fifty three thousand,
unless it's a special limited edition run or something. You
are going to find many, many, many rifles chambered in
twenty two to fifty. It came out in nineteen sixty five,
and it's in fact slower than the two twenty swift.
You're launching a forty grain bullet. Oh, it's about the same,
(11:21):
uh per the wikie. You're launching a forty grain bullet
at four two hundred and twenty four feet per second,
so about the same. So why even come out with it? Well,
it's more efficient, right. The la Navy's kind of got
a reputa or not the Laine Navy. The H two
twenty swift kind of has a reputation for being a
barrel burner. The twenty two to fifty has a reputation
for not being such a barrel burner, and for a
(11:41):
varnment cartridge, you're you're shooting small animals anyway, So you
want to screw that scream high velocity historically because flat
trajectory and max point plank range. So the twenty two
to fifty again, it's still going strong today. There's still
a lot of rifles chambered in twenty two two to
fifty where you're not. You know, you'd be hard pressed.
Speaker 2 (12:02):
They go to the guns and.
Speaker 1 (12:03):
Even find a rifle, and two fifty three thousand, it'd
be an old one if you could even find one.
And in fact, one may have popped into my head here,
let me look.
Speaker 2 (12:15):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (12:15):
In fact, I don't often think of the two twenty
three as a wildcat or as a child of something.
But per per the Wikipedia, I had to double check
this because I had heard this before, but I I
thought maybe I was just it was just lure. But
if this is in fact true, the two twenty three
(12:36):
Remington or five to five six NATO certainly killed the
parent cartridge of the two to two Remington. Two to
two Remington is a cool cartridge, a cool varmint cartridge
known for being very accurate, very mild mannered, it's a
good cartridge. It's pretty much dead. I don't know that
anybody chambers for it anymore unless it's a specialty order
or something. But probably the almost certainly the most popular
(13:01):
centerfire rifle cartridge today is the two twenty three Slash
five five six. And I'm not going to get into
the difference of the nuance between the two, but both
of those cartridges, if we consider the one cartridge a
rifles chamber that'll shoot both, it's it's the most popular
center fire handgun cartridge, and it was based on the
(13:22):
two twenty two Remington, which is not popular anymore, probably
because this one is so popular. Why would you get
a rifle chambered in two twenty two when you could
just get it chambered in two twenty three. So it
pretty much killed the parent cartridge, And I think that's
a good place to end it. Cartridges that killed their parents.
Kind of a fun different take on talking about cartridges.
(13:45):
It's kind of a rabbit hole to get into thinking
about why some cartridges die and some become very popular.
And sometimes there's common sense reasons, like there's an actual
issue with the cartridge. Sometimes it's marketing. Sometimes you just
don't know, like sometimes some rounds just die even know
they're good rounds. But a pretty cool topic I thought
(14:06):
was worth an episode of Gunfighter Life. Thanks guys, thanks
for listening, and have a blessed day.
Mattraside pasture, side usurping. What does that have to do
with gunfighting. Well, today we're gonna talk about cartridges that
killed their parents, like cartridges that became more popular than
the actual parent cartridge that birthed them. If you will,
welcome to Gunfighter Life, the podcast where we talk about guns,
(00:22):
gun fighting, tactics, ballistics, the right way, with God at
the center, Judeo Christian values, and real world firsthand experience
on that bio in the show notes, blessed to be
here serving you today. Blessed be the Lord of my rock,
who trains my hands for war and my fingers for battle.
(00:42):
You see many times cartridges come out and then people
wildcat them, either companies or individuals, which we call wildcatting.
Speaker 2 (00:52):
They will take it. They'll neck it up, they'll neck
it down.
Speaker 1 (00:54):
They'll change this, they'll change that, they'll change some angles,
they'll give it different shoulders, they'll do all kinds of
stuff in wildcat it. Or maybe companies will do this.
And this happens all the time, Like with the two
seventy from the thirty out six.
Speaker 2 (01:08):
You nicke it down. Winchester did this.
Speaker 1 (01:10):
They nicke it down to zero point twenty seven to
seven caliber, and we have the two seventy that doesn't
count for today's episode. It did. It never became more
popular than the thirty out six. It's popular, not as
popular as the thirty out six. It did not kill
its parents. It did not usurped the throne, as as
you might put it if you anthropomorphized it. But a
(01:32):
cartridge that did usurped the throne is the three to
oh eight. Now, hold on, I'm not saying it's better,
but I think you'd be hard pressed to argue that
the three to oh eight is not more popular than
the thirty out six. The three to oh eight is
a child of the thirty out six. It was the
thirty out six the military said, this is good. We
(01:53):
can make it more efficient, we can shorten it, get
a shorter rifle, shorter action, and they did. They came
out with a three toh eight, and there we go.
Speaker 2 (02:05):
The three to oh eight usurped the throne.
Speaker 1 (02:10):
Three oh eight is more popular than the thirty six,
Although both are very very good cartridges and stable cartridges.
I think the three o eight is more popular now.
The one that really really stands out to me is
the six y five Creedmore. The six y five creed
More is, in fact an adaptation of an older cartridge.
(02:32):
I think many people listening may not even know what
that older cartridge is.
Speaker 2 (02:36):
Do you can you name it.
Speaker 1 (02:40):
The thirty Thompson Center A flash in the pan. That
cartridge went the way of the Dodo pretty quick. It
did not do well, let's just put it that way.
I don't know if that was wrapped up in the
whole thing with Thompson Center having trouble, or just the
fact that it was already three weights, already a short action,
(03:02):
So you make it a little bit shorter in a
thirty caliber and you get the same ballistics.
Speaker 2 (03:07):
Okay, but a.
Speaker 1 (03:08):
Lot of companies aren't gonna engineer an entirely new action
to make it just a little bit shorter when short
action is kind of the standard action now. Anyway, the
thirty Thompson Center never was popular. The six y five
creed More has become perhaps the only cartridge in the
past fifty years that has really become a mainstay in
(03:29):
the American shooter's diet. The six y five crea More
certainly epitomizes today's episode more popular. A great mild mannered cartridge.
It's got you know, high blistic coefficient, high sectional density.
This was really the first, and there was others before this,
but the really first popular American six point five millimeter.
(03:51):
There are many now, but six y five cream more.
You know, there was a two sixty, there was a
sixty five, y fifty five sweet those never really took
off on the American market. Both good cartridges, but the
six to five three more did take off like a rocket,
and it certainly certainly buried the parent cartridge of the
(04:12):
thirty Thompson Center. So that certainly again kind of a
shining example of what we're talking about today. Much like
the six fives were not popular here in America, the
eight millimeters were not popular here in America for a while.
The sevens and the seven is still are real popular
(04:33):
in America. The seven was probably the first common, you know,
French Revolution metric system cartridge that was popular here in
the US. The seven milimeter rem mag and Remington thought,
I guess they thought something like, well, the seven milimeter
remmags doing well, let's get the eight millimeter Remington magnum.
Speaker 2 (04:53):
Well that didn't do well. The eight milimeter rem mag
is all.
Speaker 1 (04:57):
But dead, today. I I don't know if anybody, Well,
it's certainly dead. If you consider dead being nobody chambering
for it. It's dead, like nobody's chambering a new rifle
from the factory mass produced an eight milimeter Remington magnum.
It's a good cartridge. It's an impressive cartridge. Well, it's
not just the seven milimeter remmag necked up. It's a big,
big magnum cartridge. Somebody thought, well, let me take this
(05:20):
and neck it back down, or neck it down to
seven millimeter ironically, right, And that is the seven millimeter STW.
I think that one did better than the eight milimeter ever,
did I still see sometimes seven millimeter STW. It's still
kind of dead itself. Like, I don't think anybody's chambering
(05:41):
a brand new rifle in seven millimeter STW. But it
did better than the parents. It lasted a little bit longer.
I think was a little bit more popular than the
eight milimeter REMMAG. The seven millimeter STW is just a
crazy hot cartridge. It makes the seven milimeter REMMG look
pretty pedestrian comparison. Both good cartridges. The eight milimeter Remmag
(06:03):
is a good cartridge to seven milimeter STW is a
good cartridge. I think the STW Shooting Times Western did
better than the eight milimeter.
Speaker 2 (06:11):
Rem maag.
Speaker 1 (06:14):
The next one sticking with seven millimeter kind of chat.
The two eighty AI actly improved, actally improved. A bunch
of cartridges, most of them were kind of just wildcat stuff.
This one made it mainstream. This one made it the
prime time news, right. The two eighty AI and the
two eighty was a it's a great cartridge. Remington I
(06:36):
think didn't market it right, didn't do whatever right. The
two eighty not great as far as popularity. It's a
great cartridge, but not great as far as sales and popularity.
The two eighty AI, the actally improved version, it's perhaps
the only AI I know of that's more popular than
the parent cartridge. There's a bunch of AIS, twenty two
(06:57):
to fifty AI, thirty six AI, there's a bunch right,
but too eighty AI actually improved is the only one
that really made it mainstream, and it's more popular today.
I think you're gonna have an easier time getting a
rifle chambered in two eighty AI today than you are
getting one chambered in two eighty There are several companies
that make to eighty AI. It's a great, well balanced,
(07:20):
efficient cartridge. You might look at it and be like,
why don't I just get a seven milimeter remmat because
it's more powerful, And it is, but it's not more efficient.
You're burning a lot more powder to get arguably very
little more velocity. So the two eighty AI is a fantastic,
well rounded cartridge. If I'm being honest, I'm saying I'm
gonna say it's probably the best all around western cartridge
(07:42):
in North America if you exclude things like brown Bear,
but like all around, you know, even toad undulids achieve
a cut. It's a fantastic, fantastic round for that too.
Eighty AI is awesome. It's an awesome round, and it
I think think again usurped the throne. It's more popular
(08:03):
and you can get more rifles chambered in it today
than to eighty So it's a fantastic pick. This next
one you're probably familiar with if you're familiar with varmint hunting,
one of the all time best varmint cartridges I think
would make the list on almost any of them. The
two twenty Swift, and it's got a good name because
(08:27):
it is swift. Per the wiki, it's launching a forty
grain bullet at forty two one hundred feet per second.
That is screaming, especially considering it came out in nineteen
thirty five. But it was based on an older cartridge,
a cartridge that unless you're really steep in American military
(08:48):
history and nuance, you probably don't know because I'm going
to consider a failed military experiment the six millimeter Lee
Navy rifle and cartridge. And again, unless you're the one
of the most hardcore history people, you're probably I don't
mean the hardcore history podcast. I mean you're just hardcore
into American history and American militarya. You're probably not familiar
(09:10):
with the six milimeter Lee Navy. Probably never seen a
rifle in six milimeter Lee Navy. I've never I don't
think I've ever seen a rifle in six millimeter Lee Navy.
Speaker 2 (09:19):
But it's you know, cartridge that came from it.
Speaker 1 (09:24):
It's child the the UH to twenty Swift's still alive
and well, people still shoot two twenty swift today. To
twenty Swift, you know, was much more mainstream and popular
than the six milimeter Lee Navy ever was. It's a
fantastic cartridge from nineteen thirty five to today. Again, a
(09:44):
forty grand bullet of forty two hundred feet a second.
That's crazy high velocities today today. And this is an
old cartridge ninety years old. The next one and the
final one, I think we're gonna close with unless one
pops into my head mom talking about this one, the
twenty two to fifty. This one's perhaps only second in
(10:09):
popularity to the two two three as far as varmint
cartridges and high velocity twenty two cartridges, twenty two two
fifty is an awesome cartridge. It's a staple for varmin hunters.
And why is it called the twenty two two fifty,
Well because it's based on the two fifty three thousand Savage.
That was a cool cartridge for its time. It was
(10:31):
around for a while the you know, early to.
Speaker 2 (10:34):
Mid twentieth century.
Speaker 1 (10:37):
But you know, try going and finding a rifle in
two fifty three thousand Savage today again, that's a good
Cartridge's the cool cartridge. It's if you're really into niche
stuff and uh like Americana, you want to go out
and hunt with the Jones hat and ll Bean boots
and a Savage ninety nine and two fifty three thousand.
It's a cool cartridge. It's a decent deer cartridge, especially
for the time. But you're probably not going to find
(11:00):
a new rifle chambered in I'm you're certainly not going
to find a new rifle chambered in two fifty three thousand,
unless it's a special limited edition run or something. You
are going to find many, many, many rifles chambered in
twenty two to fifty. It came out in nineteen sixty five,
and it's in fact slower than the two twenty swift.
You're launching a forty grain bullet. Oh, it's about the same,
(11:21):
uh per the wikie. You're launching a forty grain bullet
at four two hundred and twenty four feet per second,
so about the same. So why even come out with it? Well,
it's more efficient, right. The la Navy's kind of got
a reputa or not the Laine Navy. The H two
twenty swift kind of has a reputation for being a
barrel burner. The twenty two to fifty has a reputation
for not being such a barrel burner, and for a
(11:41):
varnment cartridge, you're you're shooting small animals anyway, So you
want to screw that scream high velocity historically because flat
trajectory and max point plank range. So the twenty two
to fifty again, it's still going strong today. There's still
a lot of rifles chambered in twenty two two to
fifty where you're not. You know, you'd be hard pressed.
Speaker 2 (12:02):
They go to the guns and.
Speaker 1 (12:03):
Even find a rifle, and two fifty three thousand, it'd
be an old one if you could even find one.
And in fact, one may have popped into my head here,
let me look.
Speaker 2 (12:15):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (12:15):
In fact, I don't often think of the two twenty
three as a wildcat or as a child of something.
But per per the Wikipedia, I had to double check
this because I had heard this before, but I I
thought maybe I was just it was just lure. But
if this is in fact true, the two twenty three
(12:36):
Remington or five to five six NATO certainly killed the
parent cartridge of the two to two Remington. Two to
two Remington is a cool cartridge, a cool varmint cartridge
known for being very accurate, very mild mannered, it's a
good cartridge. It's pretty much dead. I don't know that
anybody chambers for it anymore unless it's a specialty order
or something. But probably the almost certainly the most popular
(13:01):
centerfire rifle cartridge today is the two twenty three Slash
five five six. And I'm not going to get into
the difference of the nuance between the two, but both
of those cartridges, if we consider the one cartridge a
rifles chamber that'll shoot both, it's it's the most popular
center fire handgun cartridge, and it was based on the
(13:22):
two twenty two Remington, which is not popular anymore, probably
because this one is so popular. Why would you get
a rifle chambered in two twenty two when you could
just get it chambered in two twenty three. So it
pretty much killed the parent cartridge, And I think that's
a good place to end it. Cartridges that killed their parents.
Kind of a fun different take on talking about cartridges.
(13:45):
It's kind of a rabbit hole to get into thinking
about why some cartridges die and some become very popular.
And sometimes there's common sense reasons, like there's an actual
issue with the cartridge. Sometimes it's marketing. Sometimes you just
don't know, like sometimes some rounds just die even know
they're good rounds. But a pretty cool topic I thought
(14:06):
was worth an episode of Gunfighter Life. Thanks guys, thanks
for listening, and have a blessed day.
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