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Speaker 1 (00:00):
We are not talking about cougars, we're not talking about bobcats,
we're not talking about links. But we are talking about wildcats.
Wild cat cartridges. That is some of mine and the
Patron's favorite wildcat cartridges. Welcome to Gunfighter Life, the podcast
(00:24):
where we talk about guns, gun fighting, tactics, ballistics the
right Way, with all Mighty God at the center, Judeo
Christian values and real world firsthand experience bios in the
show notes. Today, it's more of just a fun chat
about our favorite wildcats. Now, many wildcats have gone mainstream,
(00:45):
that's not what we're talking about. A lot of the
cartridges we love today started out as wildcats. And I
don't think there's a Merrion Webster's definition for the cartridge
thing we're talking about, But it's somebody looking at an
existing cartridge and thinking I could modify this, tweak this
to make it better. I could neck it up, I
could neck it down. I could blow out the shoulder
(01:06):
and make this wildcat cartridge. And the way I'm going
to define a wildcat is it's not commercially available by
a big ammo company. There may be some small boutique
companies that load wildcat cartridges or will custom make a cartridge,
But I'm talking about mainstream, like the big companies, Federal, Winchester, Remington,
Like they're not loading for these rounds. Now. That said,
(01:28):
the cartridge that sparked this whole idea for an episode
came out of the Patreon chat. A lot of stuff
going on in there, and it was a cartridge I
never heard of. One of the patrons pat said, Hey,
why don't you talk about this cartridge? And I was like,
I know nothing about this cartridge And apparently on the
vast expanses of the Internet, not much is known about it.
But it's what sparked a conversation and a lively debate
(01:50):
in the chat. The three fifty three casule. Now you
might be familiar with the four to fifty four casole,
which is probably why they came up with a name,
the three fifty three casole. And as far as I
can tell, and it's an enigma wrapped in a riddle,
but as far as I can tell, Freedom Arms, which
(02:14):
is known for making really really high end, top quality revolvers,
stamped this on the chambers of their three fifty seven
magnums to handle hotter pressures. Internet lure says or I
was told this is just speculation that up to sixty
thousand psi, which is a high for some rifles. If
that's true or not, I don't know. I could find
(02:38):
no what I would call credible source for this, meaning
not just somebody posted it on a forum on the internet.
Right there's probably forums about all kinds of wacky stuff
that never happened on the Internet. I can't find anything
like hodged In or a big bullet or powder manufacturer
that I would consider credible, reliable source that publishes reload data.
(03:06):
I can't find any source on this cartridge is from
what I can tell, it's just a hot loaded three
to fifty seven. Well, lots of people that handload hot
load three fifty seven. There are some formulas floating around
the back corners of the Internet with some pretty robust
claims about the three to fifty three consul and one
(03:27):
of the things that came up in the chat. Then
it depends on the powder you use. Powders that I've
commonly used. You can fit way way more powder in
a three fifty seven than it calls for, depending on
the powder. One of the guys pointed out he loads
h one to ten and it's pretty much filling the case,
but a lot of powder seven hundred x A lot
of the dots red dot, blue dot, green dot, long
(03:49):
shot things like these powders, they may not take up
as much of the case. The thing is that the
thirty eight Special. I know we're talking about a different carters,
but stay with me here. The thirty eight Special is
way bigger than it needs to be for modern times.
It was developed in a black powder era, and if
you're loading it with black powder, yeah, you kind of
(04:10):
want to load all that case capacity, but with smokeless
powder you need a little idybd portion of that case
design that today that thirty eight Special will probably have
a case smaller than nine millimeter. If that blows your mind, well,
the three fifty seven magnum it doesn't have to be
that long to fit the powder. It has to be
that long because they didn't want you to shove it
(04:31):
in an old thirty eight Special. How eighteen hundreds or
early nineteen hundred is going to blow your face off.
It made it a little bit longer, not to fit
more powder because they didn't want you to change it
in the chamber. It in a thirty eight Special, so
it has a big, big powder reservoir. If you look
at like seven hundred acts, you can fit several times
the powder that it's called for. In that case, you
(04:53):
should not do this. But I'm telling you that you
can load a three fifty seven magnum way way hotter
than it calls for until the gun blows up. I
know because I've done it, and I've destroyed a very
nice three ffty seven magnum. But much like elm Rikeith
did with the forty four special, you gotta know your
limitations there. But published data you can load hotter than that. Now,
(05:16):
I don't know that that's always a good philosophy. I've
gone through many stages, and you know, I've been shooting
since I was very young. I've gone through a lot
of stages. Were casting lead projectiles when I was probably
way too young to be messing with multen lead responsibly,
but I was doing it. But uh, there was times
(05:37):
when I was really in the magnums, if you can
believe this, There was times when I was really in
the Glockso I was so young, But uh, you know
there's I think if you get in the handloading, you
get into this phase. We're like, I want to load
everything super hot, and then now I'm like, yeah, maybe not.
Maybe if I want to push the envelope, I just
go to a bigger cartridge that I said, if you
(06:00):
want to push the envelope, the three fifty three Casul.
If it is in fact even a cartridge, I think
it's just what they stamped on their barrel designating that
it could handle hotter loads. But there is a three
fifty seven maximum that's a thing, and there is the
three fifty seven forty four, which is a thing. It's
also pistol data for a thirty five Remington. So that
(06:25):
was somebody's recommendation on a wildcat. It's an enigma wrapped
in a riddle, shrouded and internet lower and back corners
of forums. Let's move on to my favorite wildcat. I've
talked about this, but it's been a long long time.
I was, well, that was a long time ago. I
remember because I was working grave shift when I recorded
(06:47):
it outside in the middle of the night my day off,
because I was used to graves working on a tactical
team to stop active shooters. Has been a while, but
I talked about this then it's the six by forty five.
Imagine a world where the two twenty three, five, five
(07:09):
six wasn't so marginal, wasn't so anemic. And I like
the five five six two twenty three. I shoot it
quite a bit. I compete with it. I've gone to
war with it, I've done police work with it. But
I would consider it marginal as an intermediate cartridge. Well,
the six by forty five is that necked up to
six millimeter? So instead of a fifty five, well you
(07:31):
could go all the way down to a thirty six
grain bullet to a fifty five sixty two. Now they're
getting into the heavier seventy sevens. But imagine if you
could go, you know, from a fifty five up to
over one hundred grains one hundred, one hundred and three,
one hundred and seven. Well, you could do that with
a six by forty five, simply by necking it up.
(07:51):
And you use the same You could even use the
same brass, use the same brass, use the same magazines,
use the same bolt. You just need a new barrel.
The sixth by forty five. For as much merit as
that cartridge has, it doesn't have a lot of love,
and I kind of shake my head when I see
all these new cartridges coming out, like the two twenty
(08:15):
four Valkyrie and the whatever Arc and Advance this and
super magnum speed and ar that, it seems to me
a more practical choice would be the sixth by forty five.
It's still an intermediate cartridge, but I think a lot
more you know, ballistic merit than a two twenty three. Now,
(08:36):
people might disagree with that, and that's fine, but I've
said before, if I were choosing, I would not have
chosen to go back to a full powered rifle cartridge
for a mainline infantry weapon. I think there are people
that should in a rifle squad, maybe even a rifle team,
have a full powered rifle. But I think, by and large,
for an infantry weapon, intermediate cartridges, as we learned in
(08:56):
World War Two, they kind of have a lot of merit,
so the assault rifle concept, and that's best I think
in an intermediate cartridge. So I've said before, if I
were picking, you know, the military's new cartridge, I would
probably go with a six by forty five. No, I
might mess with the case a little bit and blow
(09:17):
it out and mess with shoulders or something like that.
But a six by forty five is likely what I
would go with, Still an intermediate cartridge, same capacity, a
little bit more payload in the bullet. I think it's
a phenomenal, phenomenal cartridge that really has never caught on,
but I think that it should. So that's my pick. Now,
(09:38):
let's look at some of the patron's picks. The five
five six by twenty four. Imagine we talked about making
the five five six a little bit more powerful, maybe
a little bit better ballistically, heavier payload. Imagine if you
shrunk it, you know, HONEYE shrunk the five five six
left in the dryer too long, and you could fit
(09:58):
it in a pistol. Well, that's the five by twenty four.
Now this round a wildcap. There is kind of a
mainstream version of this, and this is the twenty two TCM.
And you might argue that this is kind of describing
a five to seven but without maybe some of the
hassle of a five to seven as far as reloading
(10:20):
and things like that. But if you could take a
common nine millimeter pistol and just get with a barrel
swap and maybe springs and shoot a high velocity twenty
two cartridge, that would be this the five five six
by twenty four. So if that's something that intrigues you
and you don't want to go with the twenty two
(10:40):
TCM or a five to seven, this might be your
thing I want. I should mention who which one of
the patrons came up with that. That would be Matthew. Next,
moving on to Evan, he says, the three seventy five
H and H Acolae. Now there's a lot of Aclae cartridges. Actally,
if you don't know as kind of one of these
(11:01):
guys that would look at an existing cartridge and think,
how can we you know, Tim the toolman Taylor kind
of make it a little bit more powerful on standard cartridges.
There's a lot of cartridges of his uh or that
he improved upon or Aklade, and the most notable of those,
which today is not a wildcat anymore, it's a factory
(11:21):
chambering is the two eighty AI to eighty Acolie improved.
But Evan says a three seventy five H and H
Acctlie improved. Now three seventy five is pretty much big
enough to kill anything on the planet and probably has
killed all the big game on the planet, the big
dangerous game in Africa. I don't know that I will
want more power than the three seventy five h and h.
(11:45):
But hey, if you do want more power than the
three seventy five, you could actliate it and give it
even more power. These are his stats. But he says
a two hundred and seventy grain bullet at twenty nine
ninety feet per second. And then Evan also has the
six' five by two eighty. Four Now i'm gonna mention
it because he's mentioning, it But i'm gonna tell you.
(12:08):
Why it probably does may not count in a little.
Bit but the two eighty four a phenomenal factory, cartridge
way ahead of its, time way ahead of the rifle
is chambered, in way ahead of the short magnum. Craze
but this was a short magnum before short magnums were,
COOL a very early short efficient magnum, cartridge the two
(12:30):
eighty Four. Winchester that's only the beginning of this. Story
it was and it is still popular among f class,
shooters but outside of, that not super. Popular, well as
happens with many, cartridges somebody's, thought let's neck this, down
and they neckt it down to six' five and you
(12:52):
get the six five to. Eighty four it's a. Good
cartridge it was kind OF the i would consider like
A hipster elk cartridge back before the six y Five
creed more and the SIX' five prc were. KIND of
popular i remember this from back. In the day now
that said both those cartridges. Or mainstream cartridges and they
(13:13):
kind of cut to either, side of this so they
kind of. Ate it away and it's not, TECHNICALLY a
wildcat I believe because norma. Loads For it now norma
is Maybe it's Not, remington Or winchester but norma is
a pretty. Big ammo company not so MUCH, in the
us but OUTSIDE, of the us maybe. It doesn't count
but it's. A cool cartridge i'm. Gonna mention it it,
(13:33):
was his pick the six five. Two eighty four now,
the other, One he mentions i'm not really familiar with
the thirty x Three. Seventy, five ruger now the Three
seventy five ruger is a cool cartridge in. And of
itself i'm a big fan. Of. THAT cartridge ruger i
think wisely looked at some Of these popular african and dangerous,
(13:56):
game hunting cartridges and many of these need not, a
short action not, a standard action but a super long magnum,
action to chamber like a traditional three seventy five h
and h or a. Four to sixteen, and they thought
what if we can get the power of those cartridges in,
a standard length meaning like a thirty, Six length cartridge
(14:18):
and they pretty much did so with the Three, seventy
five ruger the Four. TO sixteen ruger i think these
have a pretty decent you know following for as new
as they are and as niche, as they are. They're
good cartridges well they're. Also super, POWERFUL so, somebody i
guess took that and nected down. To thirty caliber now
(14:40):
there's a ton of. Thirty caliber magnums i'm not a
big fan of thirty caliber, magnums per se But it's
not this is, not, my pick right this. IS his
pick a thirty by Three. Seventy five ruger now this is,
again you know back corners, of internet forums but it
seems to be more powerful than the three Hundred win
(15:02):
mag there's a lot of powerful, three HUNDRED magnums but
i do like Three seventy. FIVE ruger case i think it,
was well designed so maybe they're. SOME merit here i
don't plan on getting one of these, in the future.
But you might Another thing that i've talked About in
the patreon arena not. So much here but this is
(15:22):
kind of, my OWN idea and i don't know if
it's even. Warranted or Merited but The Smith and wesson
governor is, a cool revolver AND not, because i, think
you know shooting buckshot out a revolver is the. Best
thing ever but it's, a scandium, frame fairly lightweight six shot. Forty,
(15:42):
five colt now if you just take the whole if
you think the whole shotgun thing is a gimmick out,
of a revolver let's just put that, on. The Table
right But smith and wesson makes. Good quality revolvers this is,
a scandium frame so it's going. To be light my
problem with a lot of revolvers is a. Lot of
them when you Get outside, the jaframe arena they weigh. Quite,
a Bit well, THE governor doesn't i, want to say
(16:04):
it always in the, twentieth some ounces so it's. Not
super heavy six shots of forty five colt and a
decent modern load is nothing to turn your. Nose up
at the issue is here that the four to ten
shotgunshells are quite, a bit longer so you run into the.
Issue of freeboar freeboar meaning the distance that the bullet
has to travel before it hits the lands and grooves
(16:27):
of the rifling and starts to compress into the forcing cone.
And the. Rifling, that's freeboor now when you talk about precision,
rifle and accuracy generally some guns, may react differently but
generally you want to get really close, to those lands,
like really close way closer than the amount of freeboard
(16:48):
That you're talking if you were to shoot forty five
colt out, Of, a governor NOW the reason i say
it may not be warranted is MAYBE a governor i don't.
Own a governor maybe a governor will be super accurate
with just forty five, colt loads anyway but my thought
was one could if one were so inclined and knew
how to. Do it safely i'm not giving you the,
(17:10):
load data here but you could take four to fifty,
four cassool brass which is quite, a bit longer and perhaps,
load it down not load. It super hot but load
it down to a decent respectable forty, five cult load
assuming you had enough volume in the powder to not
(17:30):
run into pressure issues the other way. Too little powder
but assuming you, got around that if you know, what
you're doing why you couldn't load a longer forty five
cult or long colt load so you didn't have all
that free bore if one were so inclined, in a
governor or if you wanted to swim a little bit.
In a judge just, getting judge fans but if you
(17:55):
if if, it's an issue if you, wanted more accuracy
it seems to me that you would eliminate a bunch
of variables if you got that bullet closer to. The
forcing cone you might that is something that might be
on the table that. MIGHT Be interesting i i'm not.
THE biggest fan i carry, a revolver, sometimes You know
(18:18):
a scandium frame, Three Fifty seven but i'm not the
one to tell you that a revolver is usually the
best choice in. The modern day but a lot of people,
do think that, And that's fine but you could do
a lot worse Than a lightweight scandium frame six shot,
forty five colt and especially if you wanted it more
(18:38):
accurate to eliminate. That free, boar and oh, by the
way it also if you put it back, on the
table we'll SHOOT forty five acp and the shot shells
if you. Were so inclined just the idea for A
wildcat that i don't. KNOW even exists i don't know
if anybody's, doing that anyway those are some thoughts on
some cool wildcats from myself And from. THE patreon community, i.
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We are not talking about cougars, we're not talking about bobcats,
we're not talking about links. But we are talking about wildcats.
Wild cat cartridges. That is some of mine and the
Patron's favorite wildcat cartridges. Welcome to Gunfighter Life, the podcast
(00:24):
where we talk about guns, gun fighting, tactics, ballistics the
right Way, with all Mighty God at the center, Judeo
Christian values and real world firsthand experience bios in the
show notes. Today, it's more of just a fun chat
about our favorite wildcats. Now, many wildcats have gone mainstream,
(00:45):
that's not what we're talking about. A lot of the
cartridges we love today started out as wildcats. And I
don't think there's a Merrion Webster's definition for the cartridge
thing we're talking about, But it's somebody looking at an
existing cartridge and thinking I could modify this, tweak this
to make it better. I could neck it up, I
could neck it down. I could blow out the shoulder
(01:06):
and make this wildcat cartridge. And the way I'm going
to define a wildcat is it's not commercially available by
a big ammo company. There may be some small boutique
companies that load wildcat cartridges or will custom make a cartridge,
But I'm talking about mainstream, like the big companies, Federal, Winchester, Remington,
Like they're not loading for these rounds. Now. That said,
(01:28):
the cartridge that sparked this whole idea for an episode
came out of the Patreon chat. A lot of stuff
going on in there, and it was a cartridge I
never heard of. One of the patrons pat said, Hey,
why don't you talk about this cartridge? And I was like,
I know nothing about this cartridge And apparently on the
vast expanses of the Internet, not much is known about it.
But it's what sparked a conversation and a lively debate
(01:50):
in the chat. The three fifty three casule. Now you
might be familiar with the four to fifty four casole,
which is probably why they came up with a name,
the three fifty three casole. And as far as I
can tell, and it's an enigma wrapped in a riddle,
but as far as I can tell, Freedom Arms, which
(02:14):
is known for making really really high end, top quality revolvers,
stamped this on the chambers of their three fifty seven
magnums to handle hotter pressures. Internet lure says or I
was told this is just speculation that up to sixty
thousand psi, which is a high for some rifles. If
that's true or not, I don't know. I could find
(02:38):
no what I would call credible source for this, meaning
not just somebody posted it on a forum on the internet.
Right there's probably forums about all kinds of wacky stuff
that never happened on the Internet. I can't find anything
like hodged In or a big bullet or powder manufacturer
that I would consider credible, reliable source that publishes reload data.
(03:06):
I can't find any source on this cartridge is from
what I can tell, it's just a hot loaded three
to fifty seven. Well, lots of people that handload hot
load three fifty seven. There are some formulas floating around
the back corners of the Internet with some pretty robust
claims about the three to fifty three consul and one
(03:27):
of the things that came up in the chat. Then
it depends on the powder you use. Powders that I've
commonly used. You can fit way way more powder in
a three fifty seven than it calls for, depending on
the powder. One of the guys pointed out he loads
h one to ten and it's pretty much filling the case,
but a lot of powder seven hundred x A lot
of the dots red dot, blue dot, green dot, long
(03:49):
shot things like these powders, they may not take up
as much of the case. The thing is that the
thirty eight Special. I know we're talking about a different carters,
but stay with me here. The thirty eight Special is
way bigger than it needs to be for modern times.
It was developed in a black powder era, and if
you're loading it with black powder, yeah, you kind of
(04:10):
want to load all that case capacity, but with smokeless
powder you need a little idybd portion of that case
design that today that thirty eight Special will probably have
a case smaller than nine millimeter. If that blows your mind, well,
the three fifty seven magnum it doesn't have to be
that long to fit the powder. It has to be
that long because they didn't want you to shove it
(04:31):
in an old thirty eight Special. How eighteen hundreds or
early nineteen hundred is going to blow your face off.
It made it a little bit longer, not to fit
more powder because they didn't want you to change it
in the chamber. It in a thirty eight Special, so
it has a big, big powder reservoir. If you look
at like seven hundred acts, you can fit several times
the powder that it's called for. In that case, you
(04:53):
should not do this. But I'm telling you that you
can load a three fifty seven magnum way way hotter
than it calls for until the gun blows up. I
know because I've done it, and I've destroyed a very
nice three ffty seven magnum. But much like elm Rikeith
did with the forty four special, you gotta know your
limitations there. But published data you can load hotter than that. Now,
(05:16):
I don't know that that's always a good philosophy. I've
gone through many stages, and you know, I've been shooting
since I was very young. I've gone through a lot
of stages. Were casting lead projectiles when I was probably
way too young to be messing with multen lead responsibly,
but I was doing it. But uh, there was times
(05:37):
when I was really in the magnums, if you can
believe this, There was times when I was really in
the Glockso I was so young, But uh, you know
there's I think if you get in the handloading, you
get into this phase. We're like, I want to load
everything super hot, and then now I'm like, yeah, maybe not.
Maybe if I want to push the envelope, I just
go to a bigger cartridge that I said, if you
(06:00):
want to push the envelope, the three fifty three Casul.
If it is in fact even a cartridge, I think
it's just what they stamped on their barrel designating that
it could handle hotter loads. But there is a three
fifty seven maximum that's a thing, and there is the
three fifty seven forty four, which is a thing. It's
also pistol data for a thirty five Remington. So that
(06:25):
was somebody's recommendation on a wildcat. It's an enigma wrapped
in a riddle, shrouded and internet lower and back corners
of forums. Let's move on to my favorite wildcat. I've
talked about this, but it's been a long long time.
I was, well, that was a long time ago. I
remember because I was working grave shift when I recorded
(06:47):
it outside in the middle of the night my day off,
because I was used to graves working on a tactical
team to stop active shooters. Has been a while, but
I talked about this then it's the six by forty five.
Imagine a world where the two twenty three, five, five
(07:09):
six wasn't so marginal, wasn't so anemic. And I like
the five five six two twenty three. I shoot it
quite a bit. I compete with it. I've gone to
war with it, I've done police work with it. But
I would consider it marginal as an intermediate cartridge. Well,
the six by forty five is that necked up to
six millimeter? So instead of a fifty five, well you
(07:31):
could go all the way down to a thirty six
grain bullet to a fifty five sixty two. Now they're
getting into the heavier seventy sevens. But imagine if you
could go, you know, from a fifty five up to
over one hundred grains one hundred, one hundred and three,
one hundred and seven. Well, you could do that with
a six by forty five, simply by necking it up.
(07:51):
And you use the same You could even use the
same brass, use the same brass, use the same magazines,
use the same bolt. You just need a new barrel.
The sixth by forty five. For as much merit as
that cartridge has, it doesn't have a lot of love,
and I kind of shake my head when I see
all these new cartridges coming out, like the two twenty
(08:15):
four Valkyrie and the whatever Arc and Advance this and
super magnum speed and ar that, it seems to me
a more practical choice would be the sixth by forty five.
It's still an intermediate cartridge, but I think a lot
more you know, ballistic merit than a two twenty three. Now,
(08:36):
people might disagree with that, and that's fine, but I've
said before, if I were choosing, I would not have
chosen to go back to a full powered rifle cartridge
for a mainline infantry weapon. I think there are people
that should in a rifle squad, maybe even a rifle team,
have a full powered rifle. But I think, by and large,
for an infantry weapon, intermediate cartridges, as we learned in
(08:56):
World War Two, they kind of have a lot of merit,
so the assault rifle concept, and that's best I think
in an intermediate cartridge. So I've said before, if I
were picking, you know, the military's new cartridge, I would
probably go with a six by forty five. No, I
might mess with the case a little bit and blow
(09:17):
it out and mess with shoulders or something like that.
But a six by forty five is likely what I
would go with, Still an intermediate cartridge, same capacity, a
little bit more payload in the bullet. I think it's
a phenomenal, phenomenal cartridge that really has never caught on,
but I think that it should. So that's my pick. Now,
(09:38):
let's look at some of the patron's picks. The five
five six by twenty four. Imagine we talked about making
the five five six a little bit more powerful, maybe
a little bit better ballistically, heavier payload. Imagine if you
shrunk it, you know, HONEYE shrunk the five five six
left in the dryer too long, and you could fit
(09:58):
it in a pistol. Well, that's the five by twenty four.
Now this round a wildcap. There is kind of a
mainstream version of this, and this is the twenty two TCM.
And you might argue that this is kind of describing
a five to seven but without maybe some of the
hassle of a five to seven as far as reloading
(10:20):
and things like that. But if you could take a
common nine millimeter pistol and just get with a barrel
swap and maybe springs and shoot a high velocity twenty
two cartridge, that would be this the five five six
by twenty four. So if that's something that intrigues you
and you don't want to go with the twenty two
(10:40):
TCM or a five to seven, this might be your
thing I want. I should mention who which one of
the patrons came up with that. That would be Matthew. Next,
moving on to Evan, he says, the three seventy five
H and H Acolae. Now there's a lot of Aclae cartridges. Actally,
if you don't know as kind of one of these
(11:01):
guys that would look at an existing cartridge and think,
how can we you know, Tim the toolman Taylor kind
of make it a little bit more powerful on standard cartridges.
There's a lot of cartridges of his uh or that
he improved upon or Aklade, and the most notable of those,
which today is not a wildcat anymore, it's a factory
(11:21):
chambering is the two eighty AI to eighty Acolie improved.
But Evan says a three seventy five H and H
Acctlie improved. Now three seventy five is pretty much big
enough to kill anything on the planet and probably has
killed all the big game on the planet, the big
dangerous game in Africa. I don't know that I will
want more power than the three seventy five h and h.
(11:45):
But hey, if you do want more power than the
three seventy five, you could actliate it and give it
even more power. These are his stats. But he says
a two hundred and seventy grain bullet at twenty nine
ninety feet per second. And then Evan also has the
six' five by two eighty. Four Now i'm gonna mention
it because he's mentioning, it But i'm gonna tell you.
(12:08):
Why it probably does may not count in a little.
Bit but the two eighty four a phenomenal factory, cartridge
way ahead of its, time way ahead of the rifle
is chambered, in way ahead of the short magnum. Craze
but this was a short magnum before short magnums were,
COOL a very early short efficient magnum, cartridge the two
(12:30):
eighty Four. Winchester that's only the beginning of this. Story
it was and it is still popular among f class,
shooters but outside of, that not super. Popular, well as
happens with many, cartridges somebody's, thought let's neck this, down
and they neckt it down to six' five and you
(12:52):
get the six five to. Eighty four it's a. Good
cartridge it was kind OF the i would consider like
A hipster elk cartridge back before the six y Five
creed more and the SIX' five prc were. KIND of
popular i remember this from back. In the day now
that said both those cartridges. Or mainstream cartridges and they
(13:13):
kind of cut to either, side of this so they
kind of. Ate it away and it's not, TECHNICALLY a
wildcat I believe because norma. Loads For it now norma
is Maybe it's Not, remington Or winchester but norma is
a pretty. Big ammo company not so MUCH, in the
us but OUTSIDE, of the us maybe. It doesn't count
but it's. A cool cartridge i'm. Gonna mention it it,
(13:33):
was his pick the six five. Two eighty four now,
the other, One he mentions i'm not really familiar with
the thirty x Three. Seventy, five ruger now the Three
seventy five ruger is a cool cartridge in. And of
itself i'm a big fan. Of. THAT cartridge ruger i
think wisely looked at some Of these popular african and dangerous,
(13:56):
game hunting cartridges and many of these need not, a
short action not, a standard action but a super long magnum,
action to chamber like a traditional three seventy five h
and h or a. Four to sixteen, and they thought
what if we can get the power of those cartridges in,
a standard length meaning like a thirty, Six length cartridge
(14:18):
and they pretty much did so with the Three, seventy
five ruger the Four. TO sixteen ruger i think these
have a pretty decent you know following for as new
as they are and as niche, as they are. They're
good cartridges well they're. Also super, POWERFUL so, somebody i
guess took that and nected down. To thirty caliber now
(14:40):
there's a ton of. Thirty caliber magnums i'm not a
big fan of thirty caliber, magnums per se But it's
not this is, not, my pick right this. IS his
pick a thirty by Three. Seventy five ruger now this is,
again you know back corners, of internet forums but it
seems to be more powerful than the three Hundred win
(15:02):
mag there's a lot of powerful, three HUNDRED magnums but
i do like Three seventy. FIVE ruger case i think it,
was well designed so maybe they're. SOME merit here i
don't plan on getting one of these, in the future.
But you might Another thing that i've talked About in
the patreon arena not. So much here but this is
(15:22):
kind of, my OWN idea and i don't know if
it's even. Warranted or Merited but The Smith and wesson
governor is, a cool revolver AND not, because i, think
you know shooting buckshot out a revolver is the. Best
thing ever but it's, a scandium, frame fairly lightweight six shot. Forty,
(15:42):
five colt now if you just take the whole if
you think the whole shotgun thing is a gimmick out,
of a revolver let's just put that, on. The Table
right But smith and wesson makes. Good quality revolvers this is,
a scandium frame so it's going. To be light my
problem with a lot of revolvers is a. Lot of
them when you Get outside, the jaframe arena they weigh. Quite,
a Bit well, THE governor doesn't i, want to say
(16:04):
it always in the, twentieth some ounces so it's. Not
super heavy six shots of forty five colt and a
decent modern load is nothing to turn your. Nose up
at the issue is here that the four to ten
shotgunshells are quite, a bit longer so you run into the.
Issue of freeboar freeboar meaning the distance that the bullet
has to travel before it hits the lands and grooves
(16:27):
of the rifling and starts to compress into the forcing cone.
And the. Rifling, that's freeboor now when you talk about precision,
rifle and accuracy generally some guns, may react differently but
generally you want to get really close, to those lands,
like really close way closer than the amount of freeboard
(16:48):
That you're talking if you were to shoot forty five
colt out, Of, a governor NOW the reason i say
it may not be warranted is MAYBE a governor i don't.
Own a governor maybe a governor will be super accurate
with just forty five, colt loads anyway but my thought
was one could if one were so inclined and knew
how to. Do it safely i'm not giving you the,
(17:10):
load data here but you could take four to fifty,
four cassool brass which is quite, a bit longer and perhaps,
load it down not load. It super hot but load
it down to a decent respectable forty, five cult load
assuming you had enough volume in the powder to not
(17:30):
run into pressure issues the other way. Too little powder
but assuming you, got around that if you know, what
you're doing why you couldn't load a longer forty five
cult or long colt load so you didn't have all
that free bore if one were so inclined, in a
governor or if you wanted to swim a little bit.
In a judge just, getting judge fans but if you
(17:55):
if if, it's an issue if you, wanted more accuracy
it seems to me that you would eliminate a bunch
of variables if you got that bullet closer to. The
forcing cone you might that is something that might be
on the table that. MIGHT Be interesting i i'm not.
THE biggest fan i carry, a revolver, sometimes You know
(18:18):
a scandium frame, Three Fifty seven but i'm not the
one to tell you that a revolver is usually the
best choice in. The modern day but a lot of people,
do think that, And that's fine but you could do
a lot worse Than a lightweight scandium frame six shot,
forty five colt and especially if you wanted it more
(18:38):
accurate to eliminate. That free, boar and oh, by the
way it also if you put it back, on the
table we'll SHOOT forty five acp and the shot shells
if you. Were so inclined just the idea for A
wildcat that i don't. KNOW even exists i don't know
if anybody's, doing that anyway those are some thoughts on
some cool wildcats from myself And from. THE patreon community, i.
(19:02):
APPRECIATE you guys i appreciate all. That you do patreon
is a big. Blessing to me and even if you Aren't,
sure about patreon you can go check it out and
there's a lot of stuff you can see on. THERE
for free a lot of the stuff is for patrons,
for paid members and only they. Can see it but
there's quite a bit on there, that's for free a
lot of the voting and the poll stuff you. Can
(19:23):
vote on there's a lot of really cool guys Over
there that i'm blessed to have as part, of the
community and you might find. That, as well anyway Should
be a patreon link in. THE show notes, i. APPRECIATE
you guys i appreciate all. That you do thank. You
for listening if you're, a regular listener thank you for
staying tuned, for, you, know weeks, months years that by The,
(19:47):
grace of god we've been. DOING the podcast i, appreciate
you guys and have. A blessed day
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