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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Hello gunfighters, Old Salt Dog gun fighters, brand new gun fighters,
aspiring gun fighters. Welcome back to Gunfighter Life, the podcast
where we talk about gun fighting the right way, with
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God at the center, with your DEEO Christian values, with
real world first hand experience. Blest be the Lord of
my rock, who trains my hands for war, my fingers
for battle. So we're gonna talk about a gun today,
a gun that if you own let's say three, especially
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four guns, I can't see any way you can rationalize
not having one of these, not as a gunfighter, not
as a survivor. Perhaps as a gun collector or a competitor,
but not as a gun fighter and a survivor. I
just don't see how you can rationalize having four guns
and not having one of these. We'll roll into the bio.
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If you want to skip it, skip around three minutes
and forty five seconds. That'll get you to about the
main body of the episode. Don't forget to check out
Good Chipper Training while you're listening, if you have a chance.
First and foremost, I am a servant of God, preacher,
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a fisher of men. God is number one in my
life and everything that I do in this podcast is
no different, and I don't apologize for that. A little
bit about me in the background, I grew up.
Speaker 2 (01:46):
I guess what you would consider a heathen.
Speaker 1 (01:47):
Didn't grow up a Christian, but I grew up in
the Southeastern United States what most will consider very poor,
hunting and fishing and shooting. Joined the Marine Corps seventeen,
did a couple of combat towards in Iraq. After my
combat tours in Iraq, I was an urban warfare instructor
for the United States Marine Corps under Mahabi Viper. I
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also served in law enforcement for several years. In LAPD,
I worked patrol assignments and more specialized assignments, whereby God's grace,
he got me through some nasty places in this world,
war zones and some of the nastiest streets in the country.
Not because I am better, because God chose that mercy.
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I mean had a purpose for me, and I'm thankful
for that. After my time in law enforcement, I was
a private contractor for a federal government for a three
letter government agency. I won't specify doing private contracting work.
I'm very much involved in guns and gun fighting. I
also served in the US Army, both full time and
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part time National Guard. I should say my primary MOS
is in both branches of the Military War Infantry as
of one sort or another, specialized in fintry in the
Marine Corps.
Speaker 2 (03:04):
In MS it no longer exists.
Speaker 1 (03:06):
I started competition shooting even before I joined the Marine
Corps seventeen. I won my first gold medal even before
I joined the Marine Corps seventeen. I've been blessed by
God with the talents he's given me to win more
shooting competitions than I can remember. I've won most of
my competitions and rifle and pistol, but I've also competed
in archery and shotgun and even muzzleloader, the knife throwing,
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hatchet throwing. I've competed in all that. I've also been
a professional big game hunter and guide. Like I said,
I grew up hunting and fishing and shooting. I've done
it to put meat on the table, because I like
to put food on the table. With the talents God's
given me, I don't apologize for that. I've done it
as a professional hunter and guide. I've slain all manner
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of beast and guided for all manner of beast, bear
and wolf, and elk and deer, mule dey of white
tailed deer, of slain ram and fallow deer, and countless animals.
And I don't apologize for that either. FBI Certified Firearms
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Instructor NRA, and a bunch of other three letter government
agency certifications. Blessed be the Lord, my rock, who trains
my hands for war on my fingers for battle. So
I'm one forty four. I've been blessed to be the
commander of a tactical team, an SRT special response team
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in a large metropolitan area where a primary job was
to stop active shooters. But again, first and foremost, I'm
a servant of God, called by God to share the
good news, preacher, a fisher of men. With that, we
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will roll into the day's topic. All right, So what
you've been waiting for? The gun you should have? I
think probably first, But even if you don't. If you
have four guns and you don't have one of these,
explain to me how you're not wrong. And that gun
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is a shotgun, the shotgun, in my view, the most
versatile and overall effective firearm period. ME start by saying,
I love handguns. I've won more handgun competitions by far
than any other discipline. I love precise rifle shooting. I
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have one far more rifle competitions than I ever have
a shotgun. I have competed a little bit in shotgun.
I do the vast, vast majority of my practice with
a handgun, and then with a rifle, and least of
all with a shotgun. But if I could only have
one gun, it would be the shotgun. I've said that before. Why,
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Because it's not about what I like, It's about what's
gonna keep me alive. And again, I took this from
an old episode of the Survival podcast Jack Spirico give
credit where credit is due. Of his old episodes on
firearms are really good. Anyway, he put it this way,
and I relate to this. You heard my bio. I
don't remember exactly what he said. I'm gonna paraphrase it,
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but I can count the number of gunfights I've been
in on my fingers and have fingers left over, even
with my bio. But I can't recall the number of
times in my life that I've had to eat put
food on the table to consume calories. When it comes
to putting food on the table, I don't think anything
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rivals the shotgun, and all your deer hunters are out
there thinking your deer rifle. If it's a really bad
situation and you shoot a deer, how are you going
to preserve it? This coming from a guy that's been
a professional big game hunter and guide. If you don't
have a freezer that's working, if you don't have a
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bunch of salt stored up, which if you don't have
a bunch of food stored up, you probably don't have
a bunch of salt stored up. A little tactical tip
right now, store salt. It's cheap. Now, there was a
time the word salary comes from the word salt because
people used to get paid in it. That's how valuable
it is. Your body needs salt, and it's good for
preserving food. But unless you have a massive amounts of
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salt and you shoot an elk or a deer, you
get a meal and then likely most of that food
is gonna go bad.
Speaker 2 (07:48):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (07:48):
I know, you can make built tong I've made built tong.
Speaker 2 (07:50):
I like biltong. I like jerky.
Speaker 1 (07:52):
I like to make jerky, but that's hard to do
with no electricity in the summer in the southeastern United
States or east of the Mississippi where it's humid and hot.
I probably could do it here in Arizona with nothing,
but that's a massive amount of labor where I could
go out and take a couple of doves pretty much
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every day, I think, and eat and have a decent
amount of protein and forage. And if you're a deer hunter,
and you're an honest one, even the best deer hunter
will tell you he's probably spent many days out and
not taken a deer. That's one thing if you're doing
it for sport, not so much if you're starving to death.
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And again, I love deer hunting, I love elk hunting,
I love bear hunting. I've been a professional big game hunter,
and god I love that. But I don't think it's
your most realistic option for putting food on the table,
consistently taking whatever you can get when you can get
it as far as food goes, and an actual I
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don't know, whatever you want to call it, a really
bad situation where you can't just go the grocery store
and buy food, and a shotgun will do that better
than anything else in my opinion. In fact, when I
would go out in the very remote Soltooth Wilderness in Idaho,
and I would go out with just you know, a
bible and a shotgun in my pack and sustain myself.
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The tool that I would bring with me was a shotgun.
I had lots of other guns, but an AR. As
much as I like ars, that's not the tool for that.
That's not the tool for feeding myself.
Speaker 2 (09:31):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (09:31):
I can shoot a dove with an AR, but the
whole point is they'd be able to like cook it
and eat it if the bullet explodes it and there's
not much left in that kind of the featsa purpose.
You could make your case for your first gun being
a handgun. I would still say your first gun should
be a shotgun. But if you said, my first gun
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is going to be a handgun. Because I live in
the city, I don't hunt. There's really no you know
why old food around here that I can harvest, and
I'm much more likely to get mugged at seven to
eleven at three o'clock in the morning. And I live
in a place where I my rights have been preserved
for me to be able to carry, I would say, yeah, okay,
a handgun makes a lot of sense for that one gun,
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a gun that you can have with you all the time.
That is the point of the handgun. I can see that.
If you say I was a marine, I was a soldier.
Speaker 2 (10:25):
And I love my AR.
Speaker 1 (10:26):
And I think every red blooded American it's his responsibility
to have a call it what you want, a battle rifle,
a war fighting rifle, a way to fight tyranny. I
would say, good on you. I don't disagree with that. Okay,
get your AR and then get your handgun. So that's
two guns. And you might say, you know, I think,
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and I hunt, and I am all about forging, but
I'm gonna hit the woods and sustain myself. And I
think the twenty two is the way to go because
I can grab a thousand rounds of AMMO and put
in my pack and hit the wilderness and I'm good
to go. I would say, okay, I can see that
point of view. I would take a shotgun, but I
can see that point of view. Okay, So that's three guns.
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So your fourth gun before you get that next handgun,
before you get that next ar, before you get the
third block that you want. If you don't have a shotgun,
get a shotgun. And I see this people all the
time coming in and buying a handgun after handgun in
this AR and that AR and this you know, semi
automatic black rifle. And I like those guns, and I
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have those guns. But if you have a collection of
those and you don't have a shotgun, I would say
you're not a gunfighter or a survivor at least not
an effect as at least not as effective as you
could be. Let's put it that way, not as effective
as you could be. Again, I love handguns. I've won
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more handgun competitions than I can remember. I love eating
a handgun. I like handguns because they're challenging. I've taken
more big game animals with a handgun than I can
honestly remember. And I like that. But I like it
because it's challenging. If I haven't eaten in three days
and I'm hitting the woods to put food on the table,
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if I have any other choice, I'm probably not grabbing
a handgun.
Speaker 2 (12:23):
A lot of men, a lot of women.
Speaker 1 (12:25):
They want something for home defense and they don't own
a gun, and they come in and get a handgun.
Handguns are the hardest guns to shoot. Well, that's why
I like them so much. I like the challenge. And
if you're one of these people that's doing that and
you're not going to practice with it, I would say
you have to practice with any gun that you get,
but it's a lot less of a learning curve with
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a shotgun. They're designed to point naturally. You do have
to am a shotgun. That whole crap about not having
to aim a shotgun as a myth. You do have
to am a shotgun, but they inherently point very naturally.
You know, people routinely go out and hunt ducks. Ducks
fly at forty to sixty miles an hour, and there
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let's say the kill zone on a duck is about
the size of a softball flying at sixty miles an hour,
and people routinely hit those out of the air.
Speaker 2 (13:15):
With a shotgun.
Speaker 1 (13:17):
You can easily with not no training but minimal training,
get good hits on target at home defense rangings on
a man's size silhouette. And I like and I like ars,
I like powerful handguns, I like high capacity handguns. I
like all those, but none of those have the stopping
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potential with a single shot as either a twelve gage
or a twenty gauge does with a good load of buckshot.
Speaker 2 (13:48):
They just don't, you know.
Speaker 1 (13:50):
Statistics bear that out. I was a police officer.
Speaker 2 (13:55):
You heard my bio.
Speaker 1 (13:55):
I worked for regular assignments and more specialized assignments. There
were times when I wanted that ar but for general purpose,
and I was one of the police armors. I had
access to the armory. I had access to submachine guns,
and we still had old Thompson you know Tommy guns
and the armory. We had all kinds of cool stuff
in the armory that I could have taken out. I
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had a full auto M four or whatever it was,
the car fifteen in the old Vietnam style, super lightweight
car being full auto. But my most common thing, if
I was going to kick down a door literally to
clear a building, I didn't want any of that stuff.
I wanted a twelve gage shotgun. I wanted a Remington
eight seventy with buckshot, or a Bonelli M one or
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whatever with buckshot and back up, you know, in the
side saddle with slugs. Why Because I didn't care what
looked the coolest on Instagram when I was going into
that house. If I was raiding a drug house or
doing something like that, I wanted the best tool for
the job that gave me the best odds of survey.
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And I think that's a shotgun. I thought that then
and I think that now Again. There are times there
were missions where I would take a full out of
M four but for most urban close in stuff, I
think the shotgun is better. Again, I got nothing against
M four's and cops having M fours. I think they
should have their pick. They ought to have a partition
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in the center of their cruiser with both options. And again,
I shoot my shotgun probably less than most of my
other guns, because it's not fun to shoot. You know,
shooting a box of slugs is not fun. You know,
practicing the low ready and getting a single hit on
a silhouette target at home defense ranges, it's not super
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fun because it's so effective and so easy. But if
that's an actual home invasion, that's what I want. I
want effective, and I want less margin for error. I
wanted to be less challenging for me and more challenging
for the adversary. That's what I want. So I would
encourage you if you're looking for your first gun. I'm
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not saying it's always the right choice, but I'm saying
don't think that you have to have a four thousand
dollars AR fifteen. There's nothing wrong with those, But if
it's your first gun, perhaps look at a shotgun. It's
because something's cheaper. Just because something's older doesn't mean that
it's less effective. Less effective for what. People will discount
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the shotgun because it's a short range weapon. It's not
hard to get hits with a slug, you know, out
to one hundred yards. I'm talking just a regular shotgun
and regular Foster slugs. If you again, if you practice
with them one hundred yards. Most people will consider short range.
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But think about that. That's an entire football field. Think
about most, not all, but think about the vast majority
of defensive situations you could picture actually happening in your life,
and think of whether they happen at greater than a
football field away. I'm not saying it can never happen,
and I'm not saying you shouldn't have an AR. I'm
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not saying you shouldn't have those cool battle rifles. I
think that a man should have that, but I'm saying
that doesn't make it the best tool for every job.
I'm saying, if you're looking at a first gun, or
the next gun, and you already have let's say a
handgun or something, think about what scenarios are likely and probable,
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like being able or having to feed yourself, or a
home invasion versus a red down scenario. You know, we're
probably closer to red down scenario at the time of
this reporting than we have been in my lifetime. World
War three, you know, World War's get kicked off by
small stuff. Who knows what's going to happen in the future,
but what's most likely in the near future. If you want,
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you know, to just be a gun collector, or you're
a competitive shooter, and I love competitive shooting. If you
want to have you know, seven or eight ar fifteens
in different configurations, that's fine. But if you have all
that and you don't have a shotgun, I'd say that
you really missing a hole in your arsenal. And you're
more of a collector and a competitor, and there's nothing
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wrong with that. That's great, But this is not gun
collector life. This is gunfighter life. Really, give a good
hard look at a shotgun. Forget all we missed about shotguns.
You do have to aim them. You know, the sound
of you racking the shotgun is not necessarily going to
make a bad guy crap in their pants. And I've
heard that from people that I really respect otherwise, and
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I've heard them say that. And from my time as
a police officer, I've dealt with suspects that were so.
Speaker 2 (18:45):
They were so.
Speaker 1 (18:46):
Drugged out under the influence of controlled substances that it
wouldn't have mattered if you'd put the shotgun in their mouth.
They wouldn't have known what you were doing, let alone
being scared of the racking of a shotgun. But get
rid of that myth, the myth.
Speaker 2 (19:00):
The shotguns never jam.
Speaker 1 (19:01):
Shotguns do jam, and they break just like any other
mechanical device. But most of the good designs out there
are meant for all around. They use pretty much the
same action for hunting and defense, and they're meant to
be dropped in the mud and you know, had freezing
saltwater thrown on them and all manner of just atrocious
things and still work. All guns need maintenance, even AK
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forty seven's and even a twelve gage pump shotgun, but
they need far less than most guns. That as an advantage.
But don't get drawn.
Speaker 2 (19:32):
Into the myth. But They are a great, great tool.
If you have.
Speaker 1 (19:40):
A couple of guns you're looking at getting your next gun,
you don't have a shotgun. I would really encourage you
to look at a shotgun if if you still are
not on board, answer me this, honestly, what other firearm
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will let you hunt anything from a mourning dove to
a grizzly bear and anything in between. What gun has
the versatility of a shotgun? You can throw in, you know,
some seven and a half shot and hunt doves and
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all kinds of small birds and go to the little
bit bigger shot b B side shot and hunt geese
and ducks and things like that, and turkey.
Speaker 2 (20:31):
Again.
Speaker 1 (20:31):
You could shoot, you know, a goose with your thirty
out six with your deer rifle. But your whole point
in shooting it is because you want to eat that day.
And yeah, shotgun will take a do a fine job
at a lot of the small game stuff. But if
somebody kicks down your door in the middle of the
night and I can put in your hand a twenty two,
even a really good tactical twenty two, you know, a
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ten twenty two with a fully loaded magazine, it was
not a I would much rather have that than nothing
in my head hands if somebody kicked in my door
in the middle of the night. But would you rather
have that or a twelve gauge with double all buck
And again, you know anything up to and including grizzly
bears been a big game hunter and guide. And granted
I've never been one in Alaska, but I've heard that
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that's one of the things they go to for, you know,
big brown bear defense is a twelve gage with slugs.
You know why because it kills effectively and a problem
not seeing that a bear hunting guy backing up his
client with an Air fifteen and two two three. Nothing
wrong than Air fifteen and two two three. It's a
great gun, It's just not the right tool for that job.
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What other gun is going to let you take out
a charging grizzly bear and then also take a covey
of quail out of the air and also be a
great tool for home defense or for really any defense,
for a gat a great for a truck gun or
anything like it. I'm not saying it's the best tool
for every job. I'm not saying you should throw your
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AR fifteens in a lake and the shotgun is the
only tool that you need. I'm not making that case.
That's one of the great things about living in America.
We can get access to these guns. But I think,
in my opinion, again this is my opinion and based
on firsthand, real world experience, it is the most effective gun.
And if I could only have one firearm, period and
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not cheat and be like I'm gonna get an ar
lower and build all kinds of guns off of it talking,
which is like one one gun, I would take a shotgun.
So I love the hunt, I love to feed myself,
and I want to be able to protect my family.
And if I had to pick one, the shotgun would
be it. Thankfully we don't have to do that, but
putting yourself in that thinking of if you could only
have one should tell you how important the shotgun is
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and that it should be a tool in your arsenal.
If you consider yourself again a gunfighter, somebody ready to
defend your family and be able to feed yourself. If
you look throughout history to not have grocery stores, you
can just go in and buy all the food that
you want. There's lots of ways to feed yourself. There's gardening,
there's farming, there's permaculture, there's foraging, there's trapping. I'm not
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much of a gardener because I'm I guess what you
will call semi nomadic. But I love hunting and I
love foraging. I love fishing, but when it comes to
hunting for food on the table, my favorite tool for
that is a shotgun. We've done other episodes on the
shotgun both here and if you don't know about the
Alpha Male podcast. On the Alpha Male Podcast, go there
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and just look up shotgun. If you want more content
on shotguns, I could go down rabbit holes and just
talk about bird shot sizes for an entire episode, and
then buckshot sizes for an entire episode.
Speaker 2 (23:48):
And if you guys want that, let me know.
Speaker 1 (23:49):
But that's probably a little bit gun nerdy for most
people and most listeners.
Speaker 2 (23:54):
Some of you might love it.
Speaker 1 (23:55):
I would love it, but it might alienate a big
portion of the audience. Well let me know if that's
something you want. I guess I should throw in there.
I would say today, and it breaks my heart to
say this because I love the Remington eight seventy but
I just got a new one, one of the new
manufacturer ones. When I heard Remington came out of bankrupts
and they were going to produce them again, and I
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was really really disappointed, as somebody that's got quite a
bit of experience with the older eight seventies. The new one,
I literally had to do a bunch of work to
it to get it to actually function. So the whole
thing about pump shotguns on jam that's that eight seventy
wouldn't run brand new. I wrote Remington and waited and
waited and waited and got no response. So if you
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can find an older eight seventy, great, But I think
for an all around shotgun, you should have a reasonable
rate of fire. To me, that means pump or semi auto.
If I had to pick one, mine would be a
Vanelli M two, but those are kind of spending. If
I had to pick one for most people right now,
I'd have to say, it's gonna be a Mosburg. A
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Mosburg five hundred always were neck and neck kind of
the Mosburg five hundred crowd and five ninety crowd and
the remingten eight seventy crowd, and I always like the
eight to seventy better. But with the quality of the
new ones now I really can't recommend them, So if
we're going on and getting in a new one, I
really would recommend the Mosburg five hundred and their cheaper version,
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which is I've never heard of anybody having reliability issues
with them. I'm sure somebody has. There're some with every gun,
but they have a good reputation. The Maverick eighty eight
is their budget version of the five hundred. The five
hundred series, there's all kinds of like the five hundred,
the five ninety. I know the five to ten by
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anyone in that series I believe are good shotguns. I
like semi auto's. I think they're a better choice, but
they cost much more. So better, yes, but they might
three times as much. I'd say, if you're going with
a semi auto, then go with a very good quality one,
uh Barretta or a Bonelli and twelve or twenty gauge
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take your pick. If you don't know, the twelve gage
is bigger than twenty. The numbers are opposite. If you're
kind of a new to the world of guns, but
either one, just pick one. Twelve is the most common.
It's what the military uses, what police use. There's a
lot of advantages to a twenty. But if it's your
first shotgun, I'd probably steer you towards a twelve nothing
else in the AMO is probably cheaper and easier to find,
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and then twenty gauge after that. There's a few other gauges,
but those are probably your go to unless it's a
specialty shotgun, and then you probably know what you want.
The kind of the gold standard for the police and
military for a long time has been double lot buck
for defense. There's a good reason for that, especially for
police work. But my favorite go to load is number
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four buck. I shot my biggest bear with number four buck.
I don't know how many deer I've taken with number
four buck. I like number four buck, whether it's twelve
gauge or twenty gauge, I like that load. Again, the
lower the number of the bigger the shot just like
the lower the number of the bigger the shotgun. But
if you're new to shotguns, you're probably just gonna find
double lot buck just aught is zero zero for the
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newer shooters. I don't want to alien eight people in
just use all these gun terms and not explain them.
Buck shot sizes could be an entire episode. And if
you guys want that like an episode on buck shot,
an episode on different kinds of slugs, the twelve gage
versus the twenty gauge. Maybe we'll do that and that'd
be fun, but not for today. Today, it's just consider
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the shotgun. Especially you have already have one gun, or
two guns, or three guns. If you have four guns,
one of them I think should be a shotgun. And
if not, tell me why. And if you do want
to tell me why, you can go to Good Shippertraining
dot com. You don't have to sign up for Patreon,
but the patrons get to talk to me on a
pretty regular basis on there. There's even a group chat
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we have set up on Facebook if you're interested in
and not just me giving advice, because I get a
ton of advice from the patrons, good advice.
Speaker 2 (28:14):
Good.
Speaker 1 (28:15):
In fact, a lot of the tactical tips and the
tactical tip of the day is going to come from
a patron anyway, Good Shepherd Training dot com. And if
you know you like this podcast, if you thought the
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tip of the day is going to come from one
of the patrons. Pat he said, a good thing for
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your bug out bag is a really good, high powered
pair of reading glasses, and he specifically mentioned for taking
out splinters, you know, like the kind of reading glasses
that really magnify what you're looking at. And I think
that's a fantastic idea. It's a great tip, you know,
he mentioned specifically for getting out splinters. Since I live
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in Arizona, you know, when I go hiking, getting cactus
in me is a and in the dog is a
pretty regular occurrence. Also, you know, for stitching up something,
whether that's clothing or if need be yourself or somebody else.
Also it's a backup way to start a fire. So
it's a great thing to have in your kit. And
in fact, I probably should should put those reading glasses
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in my little.
Speaker 2 (29:23):
Baby bug out bag.
Speaker 1 (29:25):
It's what.
Speaker 2 (29:25):
It's a great tip.
Speaker 1 (29:26):
And that's just one of the cool things we help
each other out with. That man that's going to bring
us to the tactical verse of the day. I think
this is fitting. I just turned to it since we
talked about salt in the beginning. You are the salt
of the earth. But if salt loses its flavor, how
should it be seasoned? It is then good for nothing,
(29:48):
but is thrown out and trampled under foot by men.
If you're a man of.
Speaker 2 (29:53):
God, if you're called.
Speaker 1 (29:57):
By God, saved by Jesus Christ, you are set apart different.
Speaker 2 (30:01):
You are a light.
Speaker 1 (30:02):
You are salt. People crave salt. They see light insult
in you. They crave they want what you have. They
want that joy and that peace that they should see
in you. To be that salt and light in the world.
Thanks man, and have a blessed day.