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Speaker 1 (00:00):
What is going on, guys. Beefy cartridges, short, big bore
cartridges packing a lot of big bore power into a
small area. That's what we're gonna talk about today on
Gumfighter Life. Welcome to the podcast. We talk about guns,

(00:20):
gum fighting, tactics, ballistics, the right Way, with God at
the center, Judeo Christian values and real world firsthand experience.
I am blessed to serve you as host. See the
biolink in the show notes. Let's just hopefully have a
good fun chat about different cartridges. Kind of a niche
inside a niche. But there are quite a few of

(00:41):
these to fit into this category that I'm kind of
making up here. And the way I'm gonna define it
is larger than thirty caliber. I know, it's like an
African dangerous game hunter. You might not consider it a
big boar until it's over forty caliber. But here in America, generally,
I would say above thirty caliber is a larger, poorer cartridge.

(01:02):
And it has to fit into a short action, meaning
like a three zero eight length action. And I would
also say it has to be like a modern big
boy cartridge, not a straight wall, not something made for
a state where you can't shoot anything else, but like
a modern bottle night to high power full powered rifle cartridge.
One of the original ones, the thirty five Remington. Now

(01:24):
the thirty five Remington has these pockets across the country
where it's really known and respected for, you know, a
very good game getting cartridge white tailed deer and black
bear typically you know pockets in the East. But the
thirty five Remington originally designed for an alderloader. I believe

(01:45):
the Remington Model eight is a fantastic cartridge and if
you want to sling a little bit bigger bullet, then
you're typically going to get in its traditional rifle that
it's most commonly been chambered in, the Marlin three thirty six.
You might move up to a thirty five Remington. Some
will argue that the thirty thirty will do everything that
it will, and yeah, it's like the thirty out six

(02:06):
will pretty much do what we're talking about with these
other cartridges today. But if you want a little bit bigger,
heavier bullet, if you're a bigger heavier bullet kind of guy, like, yeah,
thirty thirty will do it, but maybe I want something
a little bit bigger thirty five Remington is a is
a really good remedy for that per Wikipedia was introduced
in nineteen oh six. And if we look at some
load data here two hundred grain bullet at just over

(02:28):
two thousand feet a second twenty eighty four. If you
look at a more modern loading than Hornity ftx it,
let's say two hundred grain bullet at twy two hundred
and twenty five feet per second. Now stick them with
Remington the three fifty Remington Magnum. Now, if you haven't

(02:50):
heard of the thirty five Remington, you probably also have
never heard of the three fifty Remington Magnum. The three
fifty Remington Magnum is a niche and a niche that's
really obscure, but it's a cool cartridge. And going to
the wiki again, three fifty Remington Magnum was introduced in
nineteen sixty five by the Remington Arms Company for their

(03:13):
model six hundred, and that rifle is also super super cool.
To six hundred to six sixty. I think the six
seventy or six seventy three, those are awesome, awesome rifles,
especially for a guy that likes the spot in stall
can still hunt as I do, but really cool rifles. Oh,
it says it right here, the Model six sixty and
six seventy three and the Model seven hundred rifles, as

(03:36):
well as the XP one hundred. Okay, so if we
look here, we get a two hundred grain bullet at
over three thousand feet per second. Right the original load
for the thirty five Remington was just over two thousand.
This is just over three thousand, and it's got about
double the foot pounds that the thirty five Remington does

(03:57):
because four squels masstimes velocity squared, So it's a powerhouse.
It's a heavy hitter at let's say two hundred and
fifty grand load at twenty five hundred feet a second.
It would be a great cartridge. If you could get
the m O or load the m O, get the brass,
it would be a great cartridge for like thick timber
stalking of elk moose, you know, moose hunting from a canoe.

(04:20):
Things like that would be a phenomenal cartridge for that.
It is kind of a real shame that not everybody
has to hunt this way, but so few hunters hunt
that way that it got discontinued. I think twice everybody
wants these uber long range you know, fidget spinners for
men where you adjust and dial and have a lunch
of battery power electronic stuff. But it's a really cool cartridge.

(04:42):
The three fifty Remington Magnum one that's not as obscure,
and if you're looking at this in a modern rifle
and a offering, the next one may be one of
your best choices. It's pretty well balanced, its numbers are impressive.
The three thirty eight Federal three thirty eight Federal is
a pretty cool cartridge. It's before I look it up.

(05:05):
It's basically a three O eight necked up to three
thirty eight caliber, and there's quite a few three thirty
eight diameter bullets, which means if you're a handloader, and
there's some factory options, but if you're a handloader, it
really kind of opens that niche because there's so many
guns chambered and three O eights you could have re
chamber to three thirty eight, and so many bullets available,

(05:25):
and so much brass and three O eight that you
can just use necked up. Make sure you mark it properly,
but especially if you handload and you get a rifle
chambered in it. You really aren't gonna have any problem
shooting it. It's it's an easier solution I think for
most people. If you want a short action, big bore cartridge, Now,
the three thirty eight Federal as you might imagine, introduced

(05:47):
by a Federal and it lists one hundred and eighty
grain at twenty eight hundred feet a second. That is
impressive out of a short action cartridge. It let's say,
two hundred and ten grain bullet at twenty six thirty
feet per second. It is a cool, little chunky cartridge. Now,
if that's not quite big enough for you in the
bullet diameter, there is the three fifty eight Winchester. Much

(06:09):
like I talked about the three thirty eight. The three
fifty eight is necked up the thirty five caliber. And
if you like the idea of the other thirty five
calibers or not so much at the thirty five Remington.
But if you like the idea of the three point
fifty Remington magnum, but you don't want to deal with

(06:29):
the hard procurement of the AML or brass, you may
look at the three fifty eight Winchester. It's a three
zero eight necked up to three point fifty eight caliber
and it lists one hundred and eighty grain bullet at
twenty seven hundred and a two hundred and fifty grain
bullet at twenty two hundred feet per second. Again respectable.

(06:52):
If you don't care about the super long range stuff,
you want a closer in range spot in stalk still
hunting rifle or thick timber rifle swamp right for larger animals.
It's a cool cartridge. Both of those are and I
guess it's just kind of up to you if you
were going to go that route necking up three h eight,
do you want to go thirty three or do you
want to go thirty five? Both have advantages and disadvantages.

(07:15):
And the next one I'm going to talk about is
the heavy hitter of the bunch as far as power goes,
and it just did not do well on the American market,
but it's a cool cartridge. You might remember in the
in the aughts there was this big craze towards the
Winchester Short Magnums and the super short magnums, and then
a bunch of other companies come out with like the

(07:36):
the Ruger Compact Magnum, and like the PSALM short action
ultramags this shorter, fatter cartridge family. Most of those are
in thirty calibers or sevens or things like that, but
there was this one, the three twenty five WSM. Now, well,

(08:00):
this is a true magnum. If you look at the numbers,
the three twenty five short magnum, and you might think
three twenty five, that's a weird designation. I don't know
if any of the three twenty five, you'd probably be right.
But maybe they thought it would do better than naming
it the eight millimeter. But if you're a fan of
eight millimeters, you might be a fan of the three
twenty five WSM introduced in two thousand and five. And

(08:24):
I'm going to the wikie again to try and keep
it level across the board. And it lists one hundred
and eighty grain bullet at over three thousand feet a
second and a two hundred and twenty grain bullet at
twenty eight forty feet per second. And well, it also
gives a two hundred grain load at just under three
thousand feet a second. So the one hundred and eighty
just over and the two hundred grain just under. A

(08:44):
twenty nine to fifty that's impressive. And since you're going
up only an eight millimeter or thirty two caliber, this
is going to give your your better in general, let's
call it in flight characteristics. I've heard the term you
see so much. I've kind of gotten sick of it,
but let's call it. It's gonna have better inflight characteristics,
a smoother ride if you will some of the others

(09:06):
we talked about. This would be a good choice if
you were a bigger, heavier bullet for Western or Alaska
type hunting. Really need it back East, but I could
use it. But if you just are a fan of
a little bit heavier bullets wanted in a short action,
like you didn't want to go up to three thirty
eight wind mag right, this is kind of giving you

(09:29):
something like that, but in a short action cartridge. So
if that's important to you, I must point out it's
probably gonna have to have a special action because it's
a short magnum. It's gonna be a different bolt face
in the three o eight. It's not gonna be as
easy to change over as one of the other ones
we talked about, like the three thirty eight Federal or
the three fifty eight Winchester, but it's got more power.
It's the most powerful of the ones we're talking about,

(09:51):
And since it's not really popular or coveted, you might
find a used one. They weren't they didn't come out
that long ago, So if you find one, it's a
pretty cool option, a pretty cool car. Now. I cannot
think of any more that fit into this category other
than like Wildcats. These are all we're all at one
time commercially available cartridges. So if you know of any
that I forgot, please let me know in the comments.

(10:12):
You probably will. I appreciate that this is not really
my thing. I'm not actually the biggest fan of Magnums.
I do like the thirty five Riemkin. I think it's
a pretty good, well balanced cartridge, and I kind of
went through my Magnum phase it really in my shooting career,
and I pretty much will do everything I need to
do now with a three to eight in a thirty
out six. Let say, I wouldn't dabble in these cartridges
or something like a you know, thirty five Whale, which

(10:35):
is not fit in here because it's a long action cartridge.
If you're just a bigger, heavier bullet guy, And again,
if your spotting stalk and still hunter, do you like
to shoot inside let's say three hundred is yards like
the stalk within a couple one hundred yards? Or you
live somewhere where you're just not going to shoot past
that because terrain, then why not just throw a heavier

(10:57):
bullet if you don't mind. I think is I like
to shoot, I like to practice, I like to train,
as you might imagine from the bio, and it's just
easier for me to do that with three ill eight
and thirty out six. So that's that's what I have now.
But if you're big into reloading, you enjoy reloading as
much as you enjoy shooting and training. Nothing wrong with
you know, throwing a heavier bullet. There's quite a bit
of advantage to it inside what I would call those

(11:20):
reasonable ranges. This is a vast generality, and bullet construction
is one of the things that does not get talked
about enough. People talk about caliber, caliber, feed per second, velocity,
ballistic coefficient, all this stuff, but bullet construction is super important.
So this is a broad generalization, but in general, you know,
a heavier, moderate velocity bullet is going to do quite

(11:42):
a bit of stopping effect on the target without that
kind of grenade effect you might get from shooting it
with a lighter, faster bullet, and that may be really
appealing to some people. If you really value deep penetration
on game, if you want to open up some shot angles,

(12:04):
like you want to be able to take a full on,
straight on shot or a steep quartering shot on much
larger animals. You know, the bigger, heavier bullets kind of
do that better. So just some thoughts there and closing,
I appreciate you, guys. I appreciate you listening. Thanks for
all that you do. Like subscribe to leave a comment
if you like this content. There's a lot more on

(12:24):
Patreon that never comes out on the regular platforms. If
you're listening on YouTube, I'm I'm I'm a big fan
of YouTube. These go out because of the hosts that
I put these on in the podcast. It just automatically
uploads the YouTube. But I would encourage you to actually
listen to a podcast. There's a reason I like the
podcast format, long form discussion. You can hopefully be doing

(12:45):
something productive at the reloading bench, at the range, driving
to work, or whatever it is, so check that out.
Your tactical verse of the day. You shall do no
injustice in judgment, and measurement of length, weight or volume
shall have honest scales and honest way. We all have
our favorite things. This is my comments here. We all
have our favorite things, whether it be favorite cartridges or

(13:06):
favorite whatever or car engine. You know guys are into
that kind of stuff. But make sure that when you
are actually presenting it, you presented honestly. And you can
still have a favorite, but skew the numbers. Don't make
stuff up. Got it soberly and fairly. As far as
numbers go, unequal weight to measures are an abomination in fact,

(13:26):
So just keep that in mind. You can have favorite cartridges,
just make sure that honest about what they are and
what they do. Thanks for listening and have a blessed day.
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