BONUS AUDIO: Doctor Sleep With Video Villa Entertainment

Here is an episode of Video Villa Entertainment that I was a guest on where we talked about Doctor Sleep! Logan and I had a great time talking about the movie and the books. Listen and enjoy! 

https://youtu.be/MSmpfwDxTkQ?si=4moOpZ5_uxjs8Fev

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
Hi everyone, Tony here with more bonus audio. This time
it's an episode of the Video Villa podcast that I
did with Logan on his channel for Doctor Sleep. The
Long I guess not await it. No one was really
waiting for it. The Long overdue. Well, that kind of

(00:22):
implies that we needed a sequel. It's the sequel to
The Shining Doctor Sleep. The sequel to The Shining, based
off the book, came out a few years ago, did
not do super well, but I really really enjoyed it,
and you know, Logan's a big Stephen King guy, so
he asked me to be on the episode. I love
The Shining. I've read the source material, so this was

(00:43):
a fun one to do. We got really into it.
The book was still fresh in my head. But yeah,
I think you'll really really enjoy this nice lengthy review
for Doctor Sleep, which I hope you've all checked out.
It is Mike Flanagan, one of the best horror filmmakers
a lot today, and it was better than it had
any right to be. But yes, enjoy this episode of

(01:07):
the Video Villa podcast and please follow them wherever you
get your podcasts or on YouTube. Aut Video Villa Enterenttainment
All right.

Speaker 2 (01:15):
Enjoy you're a listening Episode fifty six Doctor Sleep, direct
by Mike Flannagan. Is Doctor Sleep a sequel we needed?
Or is it a dream best forgotten?

Speaker 1 (01:23):
I don't know.

Speaker 2 (01:24):
Find out on today's episode Video Villa Podcast. Welcome back

(01:58):
to Video Villa Podcasts. That guy's not here today, but
I have a new co host for this episode. Introduce yourself, Tony.

Speaker 1 (02:05):
Hi, I'm Tony for Back the Movies. How are you, Logan?

Speaker 2 (02:07):
I'm doing great?

Speaker 1 (02:08):
How are you doing? Not too good? You know? I
was I was thinking about that time my dad tried
to kill me while we were in the mountains, and
it led me to drinking and I got into a
big bar fight recently. That's how I got this bandage
on my nose. I got into a manly bar fight
and I decided that I'm not drinking enough. And now
I'm very drunk and I'm ready to talk about Doctor Sleep.

(02:35):
You want to get into the character I was getting
into character of the early Danny I don't like later. Yeah,
early Dandy is a party. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (02:49):
So we're doing Doctor Sleep today, which is we were
talking off camera, but like, this is one of my
favorite Stephen King movie. And then it was I was
late to the party on the book. I saw the
movie and we were talking like I didn't even know
it was mate. I just remember seeing it on Max

(03:12):
HBO Max at the time, and I was just like,
oh shit, there's just going to the signing.

Speaker 1 (03:15):
A lot of people didn't know. They used a lot
of Shining stuff in the like advertisements, like the posters,
the trailers. But if you missed those, if you weren't
going to the theater a lot, yeah, you wouldn't had
no idea. The biggest problem with this movie, I get
that they're adapting the book and using the title Warner
Brothers should have said, screw you, you're putting Shining in

(03:37):
the title. The fact that it didn't have Shining somewhere
in the title. H well, the Blu ray Larn Doctor
Sleep the next chapter in the Shining story. Yeah, I
think that was the biggest mistake because post people just
didn't know what the hell doctor Sleep meant. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (03:58):
Really, to be honest, like, I remember watching read the
description before me and Becka started watching it, and I
was just like, so that's that's Danny grown up. Yeah,
you know, I mean like I was like I was
always a fan of Stephen King, because my mom was
a fan of Steving King. At that point, like in
twenty nineteen, I wasn't. I hadn't started my ventures into
the books. Yeah, so I And also, this is twenty twelve.

(04:21):
I believe that's when the book was rot.

Speaker 1 (04:23):
Yeah, I know the book takes place around like twenty eleven.
The movie puts the timeline up.

Speaker 2 (04:28):
Yeah, it puts in the current time line.

Speaker 1 (04:30):
Yeah. I remember when they announced the book. At that point,
I hadn't even read, like the first Shine. I knew
all the differences, but I hadn't like physically read. Yeah,
but I remember hearing the premise of the book and
I was like, wait a minute, the vampires eating Shining kids, Like, yeah,
sounds terrible. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (04:49):
There, we're gonna get into the book too.

Speaker 1 (04:51):
You can't.

Speaker 2 (04:51):
We can't talk about the movie without talking about the book,
because yeah, we both you I'm sure you agree with it.
There's a fork in the road where the book starts
and then the movie starts.

Speaker 1 (05:00):
We should talk about Shining a little bit. So, like
I'll do an abbreviated version of this back on my channel.
Around around the time this was coming out, I did
a couple Shining videos. This is like pre podcast and
I did a video where I recap The Shining Book
and I talk about both film adaptations, the movie and
the mini series, talk about like what they changed and everything. Yeah.

(05:21):
Stephen King famously doesn't like The Shining Yeah, yes, the movie.

Speaker 2 (05:24):
He is very openly and I.

Speaker 1 (05:26):
Never understood why because it's considered like one of the
greatest movies ever. Even if it wasn't like super accurate,
I would be happy that. I'm like, oh my movie, Like, yeah,
it didn't turn out the way I would have imagined it,
but it's like so well received. Having read the book
and knowing Stephen King, it's like, oh yeah, this had
a lot to do with like his addiction to alcohol

(05:47):
and the Jack character he probably really related to. And
the movie's version of Jack is very different. There is
there is no slow descent into madness. And also he
gets no, I'm shit, which like the whole thing is like, yeah,
you know, he led went down a dark path, but
in the end he did something right. Movie Chack does
not Movie Jack just totally gives no.

Speaker 2 (06:09):
It's that that was the biggest thing. Like I yes,
love love the book. I mean I I like that
has been like I I re listened to it before this,
the taping of this and stuff like that.

Speaker 1 (06:20):
The book is so good. I like the movie.

Speaker 2 (06:23):
We have a we have a review of The Shining,
though that was when we're already only But I like
The Shining for different reasons. Yeah, but the book it
is just it is a vastly different story.

Speaker 1 (06:35):
Yes, yes, I like both. I think I got lucky
because I like the movie growing up, like my grandfather,
my mom used to watch it all the time, so
I'm very nostalgic for the movie. I watched it. This
is one of those famous way too young to be
watching this. I don't know if like five year old
should be able to quote The Shining, but you know whatever.
And I had heard about like the fans not liking

(06:56):
and so when I finally read the book, like around
time Doctor Sleep came out, and again I knew all
the differences, but it's there's one thing to know the
differences and then actually like read it for yourself. Yeah,
and by read, I mean audiobook read by Campbell Scott.
George Scott's son, Uh does a great job. By the way,
does a great job. His black voice is so funny.
I'm sorry, but Campbell's spot is like he's so soft

(07:18):
spoken and everything, so when he's doing his black voice,
I'm like, oh man, I would have just got a
black guy in the more just for that line. Yes,
I I really really like the book and actually maybe
appreciate some stuff in the movie because the movie will
take things from the book. I just not explained it,
like the dog suit blowjob guy, who I have a story.

(07:41):
I've told it on my show a bunch of times,
but I can't wait to tell my story about the
dogs suit blow job guy.

Speaker 2 (07:46):
Also, the the uh it shows if you watch the
scene where Jack is working on his book, if you
look at the table he finds the notebooks in the basement,
doesn't explain it.

Speaker 1 (07:58):
There's no video.

Speaker 2 (07:58):
It's just they're just setting on the table and the clipping.

Speaker 1 (08:01):
The whole thing is like so many people have died
in the Overlook because it was tied to organized crime.
So so many people have died here and that's why
there's like all these different ghosts there that are like
but the movie never really tells you that they're talking
about one incident that happened. They mentioned like a few
they mentioned like while they were building it like natives
attack and everything, but that was like kind of it.

(08:23):
So yeah, the book gave me more of appreciation for
the movie. Now I know who the dog superlowchop guy
is or what his deal is, but some people will
be like I like not knowing and having it open
to interpretation. So I think maybe King doesn't like that.
But yes, Mike Flanagan ended up writing this, Yes, and
he had to tell Stephen King, like, I'm making it

(08:44):
a sequel to Cooprick's movie because apparently King was like,
I don't want the Overlook Hotel in it. Because the
end of the book very again, very different from the movie.
Jack gets overwhelmed by the Overlook they like possess him.
Danny has a speech about like you're not where your
right face, like this isn't who you really are, and
like Jack comes to and goes to the boiler room

(09:06):
and blows up the Overlook. Yeah, if you've seen the
mini series, it's basically the book. I also forbade him.

Speaker 2 (09:12):
But that scene in itself, if you if you haven't
read the book, yeah, that scene is worth the price
of the mission of the book alone. But his talk
with Danny at the end yes, hands down one of
the best scenes in the book.

Speaker 1 (09:24):
Yeah, which we get kind of get it. We'll talk
about the thing. Mike Flannagan basically like was able to
like pitch this to like Stephen King. He's like, look,
more people know the movie than this is. Like, we'll
get to it. But like he basically how he won
Stephen King over was like, I'm throwing out the ending
of the Doctor's Sleep Book. We're just throwing that in
the dress. Yeah, and I'm changing it and I'm gonna

(09:45):
like incorporate the ending of the Shining and work it
into this movie. Yeah, so you get the ending that
you want. Fans are happy because they like the movie,
and Stephen King has since said that this is redeem
the Kubrick film for him. Also, it's the only it's
one of two Krubricks sequels twenty ten. Oh yeah, and
this was really not a lot of his movies can

(10:07):
have sequels. I mean, I guess you could do an
Eyes Wide Shut too. I don't know what.

Speaker 2 (10:11):
The Clockwork range part two.

Speaker 1 (10:13):
I don't know. Yeah, maybe I don't know, but.

Speaker 2 (10:17):
Yeah, what you were saying that And the one other
thing that he had was he wanted like which you
just kind of brought but like he wanted the original
inning to stay intact for the continuation of the story.
But the fact that Mike brought it in at the
end of his own.

Speaker 1 (10:31):
Story and the reason the book was written was Stephen King,
Like people would ask what happened to Danny and everything?
And you know this is Stephen King, Like now he's
no longer an alcoholic. Yeah, he's a Twitter haulic at
the time of this record, and he's back on Twitter.
He couldn't. He made a whole song and dance about
how he's leaving and then he came back and like.

Speaker 2 (10:52):
He thinks he's a comedian.

Speaker 1 (10:53):
He's not very funny. He's really a comedian. He's really not.
It's like, dude, can you like stop tweeting? So I
know the fans of your books are saying a lot
of your newer books suck. Can you just stop post
of your book? But anyway, maybe he'll write a book
about that one. Maybe I can't wait for the third
book where Danny is just tweeting to him.

Speaker 2 (11:13):
He did, he Mike Flanagan did give him the idea
that that to make a continuation story abra story. Yeah,
and he did he did say an interview, he goes, well,
you can never say never. Yeah, uh, and then Mike
was like, if you do make that, I will make that.

Speaker 1 (11:28):
But yeah, So he wanted to tell the story because
it's like, hey, what if Jack did do aa yeah,
did like all this stuff to actually try to fight
his addiction and like maybe overcame it. Yeah, So that's
what sold him on the book, and the movie was
a version like because that's kind of Jack's story in
the first one, and the Doctor Sleep movie is his
attempt to being like, well, we didn't get to do

(11:49):
it in the first one, that's working in the second one.

Speaker 2 (11:51):
Yeah, And that was the That's my biggest My biggest
thing that I didn't like about the Kubrick movie was
then like we didn't get Jack actually as the Loving Father.
He actually is that man that's like battling. He's notting
his addiction, but he's he's got his demons and he's
trying his best to not be overcome by him. In

(12:11):
the movie, he's just like, let me bring it on,
give me all your demons.

Speaker 1 (12:14):
The movie, he's like, I'm just looking for a fucking excuse.
I'm looking for the first thing that kid does. I'm
going off. Just please do something, Please do something. I
wish a motherfucker, because he really is. It's literally like
they're in the overlook and then it crossed his ups

(12:35):
and he's just staring out the window like Wow, No,
no hallucination to these or anything. The just I just want.
I just can't wait to kill Olive Oil. I'm just
looking at her. Fucking Ali boy, you gotta come home. Popeye.
He saw Popeye. It was like, I'm never getting my
money back from that. Uh yeah. And one of the

(12:57):
things I really that really got me pumped the who
he was Mike Flanagan writing interacting. I'm a big fan
of I really loved Oculus, and I'll ever see Oculus.

Speaker 2 (13:07):
So that's I need to see that. And I have
not seen Midnight Mass yet.

Speaker 1 (13:11):
Midnight Mass was good. Oculus was really really good, that's all.
Hush I really liked Hush. Hush was really good. Oculus
was a huge surprise for me because I didn't know
what it was. I wasn't familiar with this work. Now
I've seen everything except for his latest one, The Fall
of the House of Usher.

Speaker 2 (13:24):
Well then he just did he just did a new movie.
I was like, shit, what's his name in it?

Speaker 1 (13:29):
Is it Loki? Is Loki? Who's in it? Or Middleston?
Is that out yet? Uh? I don't think that's out.

Speaker 2 (13:34):
Oh it's not out yet.

Speaker 1 (13:34):
I don't think so. I think I would have done.

Speaker 2 (13:36):
But it's a twenty twenty four but maybe it's that's
just like when they shot it yet.

Speaker 1 (13:40):
I haven't watched this dow A series, but I watched
everything he's done since. But Oculus was really really good
about like a haunted Mirror. And I remember that movie
scared me at first because I put it on and
I don't know why they acquired this movie and why
they distributed it, but the first logo is WWE Studios
and I went, oh, no, no, no, no, no no no.

(14:03):
And I guess because like all their wrestling, the movies flopped.
They just started buying random movies and Oculus was just
like amazing, and I'm like, how did you get lucky?

Speaker 2 (14:13):
I'm not gonna like that Oculus when it came out,
it seemed like when those Ouijie movies and stuff like that.

Speaker 1 (14:19):
Just you know, it's funny.

Speaker 2 (14:21):
What the third one's good?

Speaker 1 (14:22):
Right? He did? He did the second week He's Origin
of Evil, and I remember watching him like, wait, this
stuff is really good. Because I saw the first Beji movie.
I'm like, this is drseshit, and I'm like, why did
he do a prequel to this? And apparently he wanted
to just try making a sequel, and luckily he did
it with Wiji, a movie no one cares about, so
we fucked it up? Who would care? And that movie's
actually really really good. No, he dumb. Part of that

(14:44):
movie is any connection it has the original And I'm like,
he did not have to do that good on this movie.
Fee So I became like a big fan of him
and the Evil Glad. The evil mirror from Oculus is
in Doctor Sleep. Oh cool. Cool when he's walking down
at the event at the end when he's walking down
to go into like the big bar area. Yeah, lasser glass.
I think it's called is on the Wall. Maybe it's

(15:06):
way that mirror, that evil mirror gets around and somehow
it ended up in the Empty Shining Hotel. So yeah,
I was huge into Mike Flanning. And at this point,
Haunting Hill House is out and he already did Gerald's Game,
which was another Stephen Gane that one's a good one. Yeah. Yeah,
So I was all in on this. I me and
the ex We went, we listened to The Shining Book.
We went and saw this in theaters and we had

(15:27):
a great time. I ended up buying the director's cut,
and I'm like, this is even better. It's just it's
probably one of my favorite legacy sequels because it just
actually feels like a sequel. The third act, there's a
little bit remember this, remember that, remember this, But at
that point it was such its own movie and there's
a story reason for all that stuff, not like Jurassic

(15:51):
World when they go to the old park and it's like,
remember this, and it's like, what did they have just
built the new park around the old park? Why did
they leave it there? This one actually feels like a continuation.
It's different, uh, and it works really well and we'll
go through it, bud. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (16:06):
And that's another thing was with It's like it's I
had just watched the director's cut, like literally the night
before we recorded this. I had seen the theatric cut
multiple multiple times. I was so shocked how much Mike
had to take out of his own movie to make
the theatric cut, because it's they're like mid sentence stuff

(16:27):
completely ripped from the movie that it's like like, like
was it. I think the original cut's like two hours
and forty seven minutes and.

Speaker 1 (16:34):
This is three hours.

Speaker 2 (16:36):
And it's like it's not just like, oh, there's a
little bit more blood here, Oh there's a little bit. No, No,
it's pure scenes, like actual like expedition.

Speaker 1 (16:43):
He breaks it up down the chapters. Yeah. I've only
seen the theatrical cut once in theaters, so I've only seen
the director's cut. Like, I've only watched this a few times.

Speaker 2 (16:51):
One thing I did like, though, Wendy Carlos and Rachel
Elkin el Condor Well I've not pronounced last name, but
that score from the Rigual Kubrick is so haunting. Yeah,
and the Newton brothers came do it very very well.
They definitely show homage and also add their own touch
to it.

Speaker 1 (17:10):
Yeah. Beautiful, beautiful. Yeah. I really like the score. And again,
I mean they're using like the score of the original,
but it isn't It doesn't feel like I remember that.
Oh no, I don't know. This just feels like the
music that would be in the Shining. Yeah, it doesn't.

Speaker 2 (17:22):
The thing is it's almost like them imitating it, but
it doesn't seem it. You know, like sometimes when you
make music you get insert things and you can tell
where there's a differation between styles and stuff like that.
This just flows so fluent. And when they chose to
bring in.

Speaker 1 (17:38):
The bomb bomb.

Speaker 2 (17:40):
Bomb and it doesn't it doesn't come out of left
ball field.

Speaker 1 (17:44):
Yeah, It's it's so good.

Speaker 2 (17:46):
And the thing is is like I me looking more
into making like since we've been doing the podcast and
I've been looking more in like how movies are shot,
how people like light up a shot or like like
uh you know, like like after watching Us Faratu, Yeah,
I mean, then going through Robert Egger's stuff seeing how
he uh sets up his shots and how he chooses

(18:07):
his directing style, I've like looked more into that kind
of stuff. And Mike Flanking he has a style.

Speaker 1 (18:13):
It's beautiful, yes.

Speaker 2 (18:15):
Like almost like everything is like you see a light
back lit and you see like almost like a outline
of am like the way I don't know, I mean
you know more about this stuff.

Speaker 1 (18:24):
Though, Yeah, he has he has really good attention to detail.
He's one of those directors that probably storyboards his stuff,
like he tries to get everything done like ahead of
the Oh, he has his visions, I want this, I did.
I did read that the overlook he had built to
specifications they got like Stanley Cooper's State rebuilt everything, but
they like aged it. But apparently like they aged it
a little too much. He went start over. Apparently like

(18:47):
the one hallway was just a little too age, where
like it just didn't work. Is like, do it again.

Speaker 2 (18:50):
Yeah, because if he thinks that's not that long and
then not that many years I have had.

Speaker 1 (18:54):
I remember what I was gonna say. They gave him
a lot of money for this. Uh so he I
was reading they let him do the directors like he
always was going to have this director's cut. That's what
I meant to say earlier, I was thinking about the cuts.
So yeah, he was able to film. He knew we
had to chop it down to the theaters, but he
like made some kind of agreement where he could film
a bunch of shit that would be on the actual rules.

(19:15):
So he got lucky, whereas other directors, you know, we
never actually get to see their cuts gets years later.
Somehow he worked it out. I guess they were expecting
this to be a bigger hit than it was.

Speaker 2 (19:23):
Well also the same time as they were also working
on a prequel just for the Overlook. Yes, which, to
be honest, it's kind of a cool idea, but like
depends on who's doing it, is it might I mean
it could be a shitty mess. Yeah, kind of like
the Alfred series of the Like I never watched.

Speaker 1 (19:42):
Him, but I was talking about a reason. But but
the thing is.

Speaker 2 (19:44):
Like, that would be cool to see those stuff play out,
maybe seeing like Dick Calaran working in the hotel and
seeing the maid walk in.

Speaker 1 (19:53):
Seeing though, but at some point it's just like, gee,
I wonder if that girl's gonna kill herself on a tub.
Oh wait, yeah she is. Oh geez, I wonder that
guy's gonna get his head blown off? Oh wait he is?
I mean, I mean I could write ten movies about dogs. Whup, blowchick.
I could just I could give him his whole I
could couple with a million backstories for that. Well, you
would have to wear the suit and every.

Speaker 2 (20:13):
Ye did you ever watch the documentary Room twenty three
years ago?

Speaker 1 (20:21):
And actually before that documentary documentary came out, I was
in a I had a film course. It's like one
of the fast courses I ever did. No. No, it
was called like Fans and Fandom, and it was just
about like the study of like how fans interact with media.
So I actually got to read a lot of those
insane theories. Oh my FORO, that documentary came out and

(20:41):
I was already like, Oh, these people are just fuckeding
that exactly.

Speaker 2 (20:46):
I watched that documentary, I'm like, what the fuck?

Speaker 1 (20:48):
What what? Oh, it's just a dick joke, Like no,
I just shaking his fucking hand, for God's sake. Man.
I just heard someone on some other podcasts like, yeah,
you know, he's playing with toys on the thing within
the camera cuts and they're completely different to like throw
you off. Like that's just a continuity thing that happens
in like every movie. Uh you know, the big arm,
the big robotic arm that holds the raptor egg and

(21:10):
dress park disappears between shots. I don't think Spielberg was
trying to like warp things. I think they just shot
it a certain way and they it trimmed it down
and they were like, oh, well some shots haven't. Like
that's just a contuity thing, like not everything is a
secret message.

Speaker 2 (21:24):
Well though the movie's about that, how the white man
came in took the Native American land. You see the
big red cans or priced just right, like really, or
maybe they's just.

Speaker 1 (21:32):
The cans that they had that they put on the
brand that they had like everyone relaxed. God. Yeah, some
of them are just like not not saying there aren't
movies with like subliminal stuff in it or just like
you know, deeper themes. But yeah, a lot of the
shining ones, it's like, oh, you guys are just insane. Yeah, well,
how are you coming up with that? That's the thing is, like,
how are you getting that? Because what's your theory for
why there is no maze in all the establishing shots?

(21:56):
Do they have one for that? Because in real life
there wasn't supposed to be amazactly yea hedge animals. The
hedge animals are supposed to come alive. I would love
to see if anyone can find these. But apparently they
did do stop motion test footage. Oh shit, and they
were just like this looks bad. We're not doing it.
So that's why the hedge maze is in the movie.
They need it like something for the ending. But yeah,

(22:17):
if you look at the shining the actual hotel, like
because they rebuilt like part of the hotel for even
the exteriors, but the actual hotel has no hedgemakes and
it's none of the establishing shots. So it's always funny
that it's just a magic hedge maze that pops up
only when you get closer. And I actually think this
movie doesn't have the hedge base in the establishmed. No,
it's not that it would have it. It's been so

(22:38):
long it would be overgrown.

Speaker 2 (22:39):
Even like once he's in front of them, like they
literally show a view to the road where the hedge
would be, like the hedge made would be, and it's
not there.

Speaker 1 (22:47):
Yeah, But I'm like, do they have a theory for that?
It's like no, it's something they rewrote in like editing,
and so they're like they just change the ending of
the boom. I hate that whole thing. It's like, guys,
it's not that deep.

Speaker 2 (22:59):
Well, and the big thing and this last thing I
want to say about my finding it, but like the
thing is is it's been out that he's working on
the Carry Now that's his next project. Man, I'll tell
you what that it was to finally wait for something
that he put out another Stevie King thing and it
be Carry.

Speaker 1 (23:14):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (23:14):
That's the thing is, there's there's already the Carry made
for TV show movie.

Speaker 1 (23:18):
Yeah, there's already two and a recent remake.

Speaker 2 (23:20):
Yes, And to Palma's Carry is the book pretty much
set the innings and he's chopped up a little bit. Yeah,
but it's mainly the book. I think the.

Speaker 1 (23:29):
Last remake had to credit the writer of the first
remake because they didn't change enough. There's a couple of
movies that do that where they just didn't change enough
from the Omen was one of them where it's like
this is the same movie, like what did you actually
run it?

Speaker 2 (23:44):
And the thing is he he's done TV. He's one
two three very successful TV shows. He doesn't do freaking
shining as a mini series. Knew mini series of the Shine.

Speaker 1 (23:53):
By the way, I loved Haunting a Hill House, but
I've read that book. That show is nothing like the book.
It takes themes from the book totally. He basically took
that book and remade it as a Stephen King story.
I got it because I know so many people who
went back and read the Haunting of Hillhouse book, like
what does this have to do with the show than
the names and stuff like yeah, he basically because the
original movie did it so well, so if you are

(24:15):
going to do it again, just change it. Just take
like the ideas and just change it. Whereas the nineties
remake was like, well just had CGI statues to everything's
like that didn't work out well well.

Speaker 2 (24:25):
But another thing is though that the thing is one
movie that obviously that the made for TV movie is awful,
The Tommy Knockers, but the book's fantastic. Yeah, I mean,
put your put your time and effort in something like that,
because now we the biggest part about The Tommy Knockers
that didn't do was we didn't first off, was made
for TV movie.

Speaker 1 (24:43):
There's so much.

Speaker 2 (24:46):
Practical effects that would be need to reused to actually
make that story makes sense. It's almost like it's like
if it's almost kind of like HP Lovecraft meets Stephen King.

Speaker 1 (24:57):
Some of them where they pick up an alien again
at the end, if it's like all stiff and they
just toss them.

Speaker 2 (25:01):
And that's another So the alien that's a nothing. The
alien's like literally like it's people morph into the alien.
B I do the radiation poisoning and like at one point,
a woman goes to touch her private parts and it's
just tentacle, legit, legit, and then their skin starts to
turn translucent. I'm like, well, we can do that now
because of technology. You couldn't. I mean, you couldn't really

(25:23):
do that in the nineties.

Speaker 1 (25:23):
By the way, I think one of the reasons you
might have missed this one, like we've had a lot
of Stephen King stuff like it, yeah eight Chapter two.
But then there was also like the Dark Tower movie,
which no one remembers being made. But then there was
like the Castle Rock Show prequel to the Salem's Lot
nineteen two, whatever that is.

Speaker 2 (25:41):
Yeah, Master and his Mister misses his or something like that.

Speaker 1 (25:45):
There's something like, we've got a lot of Stephen King adaptations,
so it's funny that he's probably the most famous one
is The Shining. It's funny that The Shining sequels the
one that went under the radar for a lot of people. Yeah,
but yeah, we're just getting thrown Stephen King things like
all right, let's all relax just a little bit. Yeh,
we're getting a Penny Wise the Clown Show. Like, guys,
the second movie kind of sucked. We don't need any more.

(26:07):
We're good.

Speaker 2 (26:08):
That's the crazy thing is like like like this is
something like I can see Mike Flanning and doing a
Pennywise show and making it make sense because he understands
the mind of Stephen King clearly. And we're going to
get more into once we actually start to talk about
the movie. Yeah, but uh, it's it's it's crazy to
the fact that like I don't know, it's so weird
to see it's it's so weird, like like I'm like

(26:31):
a reference like pet Cemetery to a sequel to a
book that wasn't never that never was never a Sequelfore,
it's so weird to try to get stuff. And it's
like I have not finished it. So it's a very
big book. I have not finished it, and nor and
I have not finished The Stand. And I know that
that there's.

Speaker 1 (26:47):
The made the Stand. Yeah yeah, yeah with Amber Turd.

Speaker 2 (26:53):
But yeah, like, uh, it's it's so weird to see
where people they invest in things that people aren't asking for.

Speaker 1 (27:02):
Yeah, I don't get it. I don't get it.

Speaker 2 (27:03):
Like there's tons of Stephen King like books and stuff
like that. I mean like that we can like, well
I will say, was it brought uh uh Scott killed him?

Speaker 1 (27:15):
What is it? Who directors to Kilgrim? And oh uh right, right, yeah.

Speaker 2 (27:19):
Eger Wright's working on Running Man, which now that is
that's gonna be fun.

Speaker 1 (27:23):
I think Running Man is one of my favorite Arnold movies.
But if he's doing a more faithful adaptation, that's the thing.
I'm like, if you're gonna remake something, if you're doing
a more faithful out of day, if you want to
just adapt the book closely, like that's one of the things,
I'm all right, I'll allow it. Yeah, like you haven't
here a Cone the Barbarian, I love, Yes, great. I
mean it's got the spirit of the books. I've read
a lot of Conen stories, but it's not like a

(27:44):
super accurate So when they said they were remaking in
twenty eleven, I'm like, all right, maybe uh fans of
the what were called books will like this. And then
I saw the movie and I'm like, no one's gonna
like this fucking sucks. So hopefully he's just trying to
make it like the book. But if he's trying to
do the Arnold Running Man again, it's like, no, don't
do that. We've already had it and it's great and
I love it. Like, just do whatever the book version is.

(28:06):
Don't try to do the Arnold running Man again. Yeah,
we already have it. I love it.

Speaker 2 (28:11):
But yeah, that's all I really want to say about
the behind the scenes is or anything else you want
to say before you get the back of the box.

Speaker 1 (28:17):
Oh no, if anything comes to me, I'll probably you
put it in. But yeah, you want me to read
the back. Yeah, well, this one's easy.

Speaker 2 (28:27):
There's nothing.

Speaker 1 (28:28):
Still Scared by the trauma he endured as a child.
At the Overlook Hotel, Dan Torrence faces the ghosts of
the past when he meets Abra, a courageous teen who
desperately needs his help and who possesses a powerful extra
sensory ability called the Shine. No mention of vampires anywhere.

Speaker 2 (28:53):
Also, they have one thing tooth. That's the I'm like,
as I'm listening to the book, I'm like, I can't
even and think of what their face looks.

Speaker 1 (29:01):
Like right now. Oh yeah, that's like the vampire tusk
or yeah, he's like one. When they go like full
psychic vampire mode, their teeth like Rick wrest that they
grow like a tusk even though they don't bite into anything. Yeah,
it makes change the movie maybe makes some good changes. Yeah,
oh yeah, there's some great change the movie version. All right,
So the movie opens up. It's nineteen eighty.

Speaker 2 (29:23):
We get introduced to a little girl named Violet and
Rose the Hat Yes.

Speaker 1 (29:27):
Play by Rebecca Ferguson. Hot who I love Jesus Christ.
She is.

Speaker 2 (29:32):
That's the thing is in the book, it's very clear
she is beautiful.

Speaker 1 (29:35):
Yes, and she is beautiful in this movie. Yes, absolutely gorgeous.
I'm a big fan of her. Regardless. I love her
in The Mission Possible Miss Possible, the movie. She's really good. U.
She could play a good bad guy. Oh that's that's
one thing is I'm just gonna say this. No, everybody
does a great job.

Speaker 2 (29:50):
Yes, a fantastic, fantastic The Little Boy Danny does a
great job. Hugh McGregor does a great job. I mean literally,
like I I didn't write that name. Billy guy plays Billy.
He's a great actor. He's always in small parts and movies.

Speaker 1 (30:05):
Yeah, yeah, but great, But no, Rebecca for Verason is
really great and I love that. Like she is speaking American,
like an American accent, but a little bit of her
because the character is from like Celtic Ireland, so I
like that, like occasionally like her, the more Irish side
of her accent will come out, which I don't even
think she's Irish in real life. I forget what she
is in real life. So I like that her accents
going in and out, which is something they played with

(30:26):
in the True Blood show there was Your Watch True Life. Yeah, yeah,
of course the Russell the Russell character, the very old vampire. Yeah,
he would speak with like the southern accent, but when
he was mad, his like original whatever, his European accent
would come out always yeah, but then it would turn
like Norse or something. It. So I like that she
works in just to show how long she's been alive

(30:49):
at her accent like dips in and out. This isn't
from the book, no, but they mentioned there's so many
kids they have killed in the past. It's a good
way to establish like what they do. Yeah, we know,
so we don't have to wait till later in the
movie to find out what they do exactly.

Speaker 2 (31:03):
And it's haunting, haunting. This movie has it's funny ever
since I saw this movie. This movie has a scene
we'll talk about when we get there. But this movie
has a scene that I've seen it once. I will
never watch it again. You fast forward though every time
I've seen it, I watched. I watched this movie three
times for the review. Every single time I don't I
saw it once. I don't need and it was funny.
I was on TikTok and literally I was horror tik

(31:23):
talking and a guy literally said the exact same thing.

Speaker 1 (31:27):
I watched that scene on a loop. I'm like, hey, kid, uh,
the Predator was pretty fucking stupid. I'm watching your death
scene over and over. Oh shit, he's in the Predator. Yeah,
they were after room. They were putting him in everything. Yeah,
even what was the was he bad boys or oh yeah,
there was that one about like great kids. Yeah, you know,

(31:48):
the trailer looked really bad at the kids or something
like that. Yeah. I looked at the trailer like that sucks.
I'm putting doctor sleep on. Oh but yeah, and the
Violet Girl is uh the young girl, the young version
of the girl and hill health okay, yeah, oh yeah,
yeah yeah.

Speaker 2 (32:02):
She finds the baby, the cat with the no.

Speaker 1 (32:06):
No, she's the youngest one end being the one who dies. No, no,
she's the young now, but yeah, this part is creepy,
where like she's trying to like keep the kids attention,
and every time the kid looks off, there's more and
more truth.

Speaker 2 (32:18):
Don't worry about that. I don't wory about that. They're
my friends.

Speaker 1 (32:20):
They're my friends. And then there's just more and more
of them and they're all actors he's worked with in
the past, like, yeah, I eat the chunk that's not
his name in the book. Nope, what they bothered.

Speaker 2 (32:29):
Saying, Well, we definitely can't say it on YouTube because
you will alsow what happened to Shane Gillison.

Speaker 1 (32:34):
I know, I know, I mean, you were saying it
off camera. I'm like, whoa, get it out of your system.
Logan Jesus, I feel like Manny muskets here, Oh that's
for my show.

Speaker 2 (32:46):
Tony was reading The Shining but only the parts were
the inwards show up.

Speaker 1 (32:49):
So Stephen King, I told the story of my show.
But I'll say every year it's like, uh so my
ex was like big in the Stephen King and thank
god no one like the apartment we had no and
lived around us. She would just blast Stephen King audio
books on the Amazon, the Alexa and I would just
tune in and it would always she had it on,
which is like a million hour long talk. Yeah, and

(33:12):
whenever my ears would tune in, it would be about
something about penises or the end word. I'm like, what
is was there a clown? What is this book about?
Gerald's game gets pretty rough because he he like he
has a whole convert He talks about that sex scene,
his erected penis, Sarvent king, what the fuck? Yeah? Oh
it's uh man, but anyway, Yeah, Barry the chunk is there. Uh.

(33:36):
And he was also he's been in a bunch of
Michael Flanning and stuff. He was in Honting Hill House,
The Silent Sari. She has been. She was in his
first movie. She was the main actress in his very
first movie.

Speaker 2 (33:45):
His brother's in it too. Yes, Yes, it's the guy
that wears the goggles.

Speaker 1 (33:50):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (33:51):
And then the h I think he's Filipino, but the
the the dark complexed guy with the black hair, he
was the Huh. He worked on a hillhouse, but he
was the met the medical on staff. Okay, And he
applied to be in the movie and he lost it.
He goes, he goes, hey, I didn't get the job.
I just wanted to other. Thanks Mike for you know,
for suggesting me to apply for it. He's like, well,
I just told you.

Speaker 1 (34:11):
In the movie. They just put him in the movie.
It's definitely less vampire. I'm just gonna call him vampires.
You can't. It's true, not stupid. There's definitely less vampires
in the movie version the book. There's a ton of them.

Speaker 2 (34:21):
Oh yeah, there's And there's a scene we'll talk about
the ending, but there's a scene where I want your
opinion on it. When we get to how they get
rid of all of them at the end.

Speaker 1 (34:30):
They find a convenient way to carry So it's good
that they started out with not that many.

Speaker 2 (34:36):
So after this, unfortunately they do they do drain a
violet of her shine.

Speaker 1 (34:42):
Now we cut back. That's they're specifically going after kids
the shine. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (34:46):
And the thing is after puberty the shine like it
becomes diluted and polluted or.

Speaker 1 (34:52):
Because because kids will hide it, yeah, like which will
do later in the film. So they're forced to like
hide it so they don't use it as much. It's
like a muscle or or they're like Danny who like
just gets reel into drinking and like so there's ways
to like get rid of your shine. And they mentioned
that there's a lot of people have shine that don't
even know they have. So if you're not aware of it,

(35:13):
you can't like focus it. So yeah, they, like I said,
they go after specifically kids when it's like the strongest. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (35:20):
Uh So now we cut back to Danny, and it's
posts the events of the Overlooked. They're in a little
hotel not hotel, sorry, apartment in Florida. And at first
when I watched him, like, oh, did they get Dick's
old house in Florida? But I'm waiting for the naked
lady was trying like maybe it is, and I rewatched
the shining, I'm like, oh, it's not. I I was
wondering if he was going to try to pull something

(35:41):
like okay, well you know they were, they were hurting,
and then they you know, somehow got Dick's house or
it's not. And ever since the events of the overlook
Danny has not been talking.

Speaker 1 (35:50):
Yes, no he is. I mean that was a lot.
That's kind of a lot. His dad tried to kill him,
and then he killed his dad by making him lost
and amazed and exposing him to the it's not not
a really mess yet. Oh it also like you know,
evil demon ghosts for trying to kill.

Speaker 2 (36:06):
And that's another thing we find out is even though
and it makes sense.

Speaker 1 (36:11):
Uh so it makes sense.

Speaker 2 (36:13):
For Doctor Sleep. Yeah, it doesn't make sense for the
book Doctor Sleep. Why they're still coming after Danny? If
the Overlookers blew up in the book, why are they
still coming after Danny?

Speaker 1 (36:26):
Well, I think they just latched onto a shine. Yeah,
so they like followed him. I mean they actually know
the book has more of a reason. They don't have
a place to haunt. No one's coming to them anymore,
and they're like, oh, well, fuck, I guess we gotta
where'd that kid go? Florida?

Speaker 2 (36:40):
So Danny has still been seeing ghosts? We see the
lady from.

Speaker 1 (36:43):
Miss Massy, I think, yeah, name which I have an
action figure out here that I got at VHS. Is
that now? Is that like an independent like independent reasons?
This is from barbarian Rage dot com. Uh, Barbarian Underscore Rage.
I don't even know them that Well, I'm giving them
a free flug sorry, and it's not a toy and
it's for adults age thirty five up. Well, look, I

(37:07):
bought this one. I bought this one. I was thirty three.
Oh that's against law, so everyone to report them to out. Yeah,
so she's still following. She's hiding in bathtubs because she
only haunts bathtubs. That's pretty funny.

Speaker 2 (37:22):
It's this scene is pretty nasty, Like we'll not this scene,
the scene where he's dreaming and he sees her and
she slowly comes out of the shadows.

Speaker 1 (37:30):
Yeah, that's pretty hard. Which I think that was in
the director's cut.

Speaker 2 (37:33):
In the you know that's an theatric one too that
there's now that's weird thing. So with the director's cut
they kind of hold on a scene a little bit longer.
We see a little bit more. Like what's not in
the theatric cut is when Windy goes to check the bathroom.

Speaker 1 (37:52):
Okay, who is Alex s O. She's been in a
bunch of she's been a bunch of bank mc flannagans. Yeah,
she does a great job. Great job. I really appreciate
that he just got new actors. Funeral. I'm glad they didn't.

Speaker 2 (38:04):
Do the d They were they were going to try
to do that, but then he was like, he goes,
either you do you go full blown the Asian. Yeah,
and you do it through the whole movie, or you're
gonna find new actors. And that was his big thing,
is he goes, I'm gonna goes, you are playing the character,
You're not playing You're not playing a caricature of Wendy,
you know what I mean. Just kind of be your

(38:25):
own self. But you still like she's still felt a
little bit like, shit, her.

Speaker 1 (38:31):
My name is.

Speaker 3 (38:33):
The original Wendy Chilly Vall, I'm Chollyall yeah, but what's
going but she like just the way her mannerisms and
how she talks to uh, Danny, I was I was
already like, okay, that is that.

Speaker 1 (38:46):
Is that she did really good. Every new actor did
it really good. Well, maybe the one was a little
bit of a stretch later later, Yeah, I would have
gotten that guy. But all right, I mean it worked,
I think.

Speaker 2 (38:57):
Because he's been working with them in Gerald's game and stuff.

Speaker 1 (38:59):
Yeah, I get it, but I'm just like, kind of
looks like he's just doing a costume where everyone else
felt like the character. But we'll get there. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (39:06):
But yeah, so he is still seeing ghost. Uh he
wakes up in a fright. All of all comes out
to check out and see if he's okay, and then
after that we cut to the next day, which this
was fun. I like how Mike h edited it for this.
In the book, Hall Raine comes to set down, Wendy

(39:27):
reaches out to him. I need you to talk to Doc. Yes,
but it makes more sense that it's the ghost version.

Speaker 1 (39:32):
Yeah, because if you don't know, Dick survives in the book. Yeah,
like the hero, he's one of the best character. Sanley
Kuper's like, I gotta kill that guy. Yeah, what the hell?
Uh so yeah, so yeah, ghost Dick. Yeah that sounds
I don't like that. Richard the ghost will call him.
He like shows up with Danny. I like that. Danny's

(39:54):
like you said, they were like pictures in the book
and they wouldn't hurt. And he's and he lets him
know that there's different types of shine. He's like, well,
for me, they were like they couldn't get me. I
was older and didn't want me, or maybe my shine
wasn't strong. It's like, but you are very strong with
the shining. Yeah, they couldn't resist you, and like it
made them stronger.

Speaker 2 (40:11):
Yeah, because even in the book that we get that
nasty the story of his grandfather.

Speaker 1 (40:15):
Yeah, is disgusting, Like he used to grab him by
the balls and hold him really hard. Yeah. He tells
him like his grandfather was an asshole and that his
grandfather would like still attack him after death. Yeah. And
he gives them the lock box and shows him like, hey,
I want you to study these boxes and this is
the way that you can trap them. So now he's
got like a weapon against these ghosts. Yeah. And he
tells me he's like the overlookers board it. They're starving. Yeah,

(40:37):
they blatched on you. They're gonna keep coming for it. Yeah.
Sorry kid, And also should be like you think you're
sad I'm dead, like you just relax her alive. But
he mentions they confirmed, because it's always a theory if
you only watch the movie version. But like, did Jack
have the shining Yeah, and he said he's like, yeah, yeah,
your dad shining. He didn't know because he drank so much,
but like it fed on his darkness.

Speaker 2 (40:59):
And that's one thing I did. Like, so that is
actually that's not okay. This scene is heavily edited, not
like when to say heavy, but there's a lot of
their conversation that's cut out, and this is nice because
he does. He does let Danny know, your daddy loved you.
You know it was the hotel, it wasn't your daddy,
which it's very like it shows a little bit limmer,
like not limber that is a heavy point, where like

(41:21):
it is very heavy in the book that Jack was
obsessed with Dandy, but and he always regretted the bad
things he did to him, like break his arm and
stuff like that.

Speaker 1 (41:33):
Which again, you know, the the movie versus had to
be like, oh, trust me, he loved you. I know
he looked at like who never showed any kind of affection,
but for any loved you.

Speaker 2 (41:45):
So yeah, So he goes back into the house and
he is trying to he's gonna try out his new
trick on the old lady and he ends up putting
it in a box and.

Speaker 1 (41:55):
Then you hear her scream yeah. Yeah, like you just
he goes he just shuts their You just hear Miss
Massey scream yeah. And then he comes out and he
starts talking to his mom. Yeah, it's like all normal, yeah.

Speaker 2 (42:06):
Which is really cool because that was another thing that's
a nothing. Okay, he's talking again and stuff like that.
I will say one scene that now it's not right here.
But there's one scene that I noticed that like was
cut from the movie and I didn't like. When he
goes back in the bathroom, just stares when he talks
a boy, his mom not looking at him. He just
looks into the mirror, Like, what is.

Speaker 1 (42:23):
That all about? Yeah, you don't find out till later. Yeah,
she wouldn't look at his eyes and stuff like that.
I don't know, he said. He says later on in
his conversation that like, that was the last time he
used his shine, was to like change his eyes so
she wouldn't see his dash.

Speaker 2 (42:34):
Shit, I'm glad you told me that, because I had
no idea what I didn't don't.

Speaker 1 (42:37):
Yeah, he said it in the In the conversation later on.

Speaker 2 (42:40):
I said, he said, I knew. He said, that's the
last time I used the shine. I didn't know he was.
I didn't look in the mirror. He was like apparently
changing his eyes his mom wouldn't see.

Speaker 1 (42:50):
To Jack, that would run over man. Yeah, I didn't realize.
I guess it was just too subtle in effect. I
didn't realize until he spelled it out later.

Speaker 2 (42:58):
Yeah, which he didn't. That's not even the theater cutting.

Speaker 1 (43:00):
Yeah, that felt like it was very much.

Speaker 2 (43:02):
Yeah in the end, at the end of that with
that conversation, that's.

Speaker 1 (43:04):
Not that's like I should watch the theatrical cut again
and see how it flows after watching the.

Speaker 2 (43:08):
Director it flows good. Yeah, there's a little bit of
extra stuff. They're like, oh, shit, that's not there. Shit,
that's not there. So now it's twenty eleven, which is
when the book takes place.

Speaker 1 (43:18):
Like I said, they because I guess the movie version
of Shining took place after the book version, so they
can put it up a little bit.

Speaker 2 (43:24):
Yeah, because the book is seventy six I think.

Speaker 1 (43:28):
Yeah, I think so, Yeah, they pump it up a
little bit, but we miss out on some subplots doing this,
like Baby Aver predicting nine to eleven and the vampires
doing a nine to eleven viewing party. That's a real
thing that happened.

Speaker 2 (43:41):
So yeah, so now I can see.

Speaker 1 (43:43):
Mike planning and going nah.

Speaker 2 (43:46):
So for the viewers if you haven't read the book,
so apparently the true not not only can they suck
out shine any kind of awful misery and pain someone's feeling,
it also slowly gives them something.

Speaker 1 (43:58):
Because everyone has a little bit of shine. So if
like a thousand people die at once, they can feed
on Yeah, exactly. So, Yeah, there is a part of
the book where they just go to New York because
they're aware of what's about to have. They can sense it,
they may get it, sense it. I'm just I got
to that part of the book. I'm like, I can
see them just being like, yeah, no, no, we're skipping

(44:19):
all this.

Speaker 2 (44:19):
Yeah, because it cuts all the way to like we
don't see Abra told much later. Yeah, we don't get
any baby scenes. Her grandmother's not even the movie at all.

Speaker 1 (44:26):
Grandmother is like a huge part of the book not
in the movie. Like, but just I mentioned that she's not.

Speaker 2 (44:32):
Is this movie woke because they changed her gender? Not gender,
but her ethnicity.

Speaker 1 (44:35):
Well, you know, I don't care about her being mixed race,
but her mom had to be Italian. Yeah, And I
looked up Jocelyn don you could Donnie who doesn't sound
very Italian, just look very Italian. I looked at Early
Life on Wikipedia. I do it often for every actor,
and I didn't see Italian there. So she's not Italian.
Then there's just another bit of Italian erasure. I will

(44:56):
not stand for it. Next says, the thing that you
like her mom is just like, oh hey, I'm a bally.

Speaker 2 (45:05):
But that's another thing that the grandmother is like. It's
it's because they go into like I mean, they will
give a back about her back history and stuff.

Speaker 1 (45:12):
And for the movie version, they're getting rid of a
very stupid thing from the book. And also the grandmother
plays into how they kill the vampires, which they threw
that ending out, so her being reduced sort of makes sense.
But for you the viewer, she has a shining psychic grandmother.

Speaker 2 (45:27):
Yeah, yeah, but yeah, so it's twenty eleven. So now
we get Danny as his life is going. It's off
sea and the shitter. He's become just like his daddy's alcoholic.
But he's been doing it to suppress his shine. Yes,
and I believe if I can remember it is ever
since his mom died. Yes's why he's doing because he
now he's just he's just alone. Yes, and he like

(45:48):
it's kind of like also when she died, it was
they do. He sees it a lot because we see
the scene with Billy in the book. But the fly
of stuff, well that is more prominent in the book
than actually gotten the movie.

Speaker 1 (46:01):
Yeah, the movie. There's only one bit of fly stuff
in the movie. Yeah. But yeah, we learn later in
the film that, like when his mother died, her face
was covered in death flies. Yeah, so he couldn't actually
look at his mother. Yeah, she was dying, and like
he's felt guilty about it ever since. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (46:16):
So now he's wearing new Jersey and he's like, he's
getting drunk at a bar and goes home with a woman.
He wakes up next to her and she's just thrown
up fucking everywhere.

Speaker 1 (46:27):
Yeah. I think in the movie version it's implying that
she's either dead or dying that I.

Speaker 2 (46:33):
Think she had just the way I perceived it was,
Oh she is dead. Yeah, she overdosed and probably drown
out her vomit. He doesn't know she's dead though.

Speaker 1 (46:42):
He doesn't know. Yeah. Yeah, but he runs into the
baby fuck and instead of like getting it help, he
just leaves it there and ghost ghost Dick is like,
which in the book, I think it's his mom's voice,
but in this is just dick. He's like, come on, man,
don't take her money. It's like, I think she stole
the money for me.

Speaker 2 (47:00):
Really, So, and that's another thing, is so in the
theatric cut, you don't even see the food stamps. Yeah,
so I guess it makes more sense. I'm gonna take
the money. At least she's got foodstamp to buy food with,
so you can, like, I guess, not feel as bad.
But he and Okay, So in the theatric cut, he
doesn't try to put Dick in a box.

Speaker 1 (47:17):
No oh no, no, no, he tries to put the
memory in the box.

Speaker 2 (47:22):
Is that a memory? I thought he was trying to
put Dick in the box.

Speaker 1 (47:24):
Later on he tries to put by accident. No. No. In
this scene, he starts to open the box and Dick
tells him. He's like, no, you can't put memories in
the box. You can put ghosts and stuff. But no,
that makes more sense. Yeah, okay, that makes forense I
thought he was like, you can't.

Speaker 2 (47:37):
I'm I think I thought he was like, I'm a memory,
You're this is a memory of No.

Speaker 1 (47:41):
No, no, He's like he's hes just gonna like pile put
this memory away. It makes sense. But no, later on
he does try to put Dick a back like accidentally.

Speaker 2 (47:48):
Yeah, but it makes sense because that makes sense now
that you explain it to me because then later I'm like, well,
that don't make sense because why would he try to
do it again when he knows.

Speaker 1 (47:56):
Yeah yeah, but yeah, so he's definitely feeling a certain
way about this. In the book version, it's like haunting
him a little bit more. Oh fuck, Well, there's different
outcomes to this scene.

Speaker 2 (48:07):
And she shows up. I don't remember the girl's name,
but that he slept with, but she shows up multiple
times in the book. Yeah. She said like, you know,
I really cared about you, Danny. Yeah, because he wants
she's like a permit premonition. Yeah, like you know this
is going to happen kind of like another Tony kind
of yeah to like give oh, this is what the
future holds for you. But I care about you, so

(48:28):
I will let you know.

Speaker 1 (48:29):
Yeah. Yeah, but yeah, he decides to just leave the baby,
gives it like cheese it's and puts them on the
bed and leaves them. Yeah. Oh my god, when they
come back, I'll tell the difference, like how those two outcomes,
how the two versions split. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (48:42):
Yeah, So after that we also see Rose the Hat
and mind you this is it started nineteen eighty, it's
twenty eleven. She has an age one day nop, and
that kind of lets you know what this You kind
of get these little clips of like, Okay, that's weird.
What the fuck's going on here?

Speaker 1 (48:57):
Uh?

Speaker 2 (48:58):
And we see her and cro Daddy they're stalking, not stalking, sorry,
but they're they're tracking Andy.

Speaker 1 (49:05):
Well, yeah, that's the thing. Like crow Daddy's now the tracker.
They've like there were so many other true non members
of the Yeah, that's what movies do. They can dense
multiple characters into one. So crow Daddy has taking the
position of like a bunch of different characters, much like
Billy Freeman takes on the roles of three different characters
put in the one.

Speaker 2 (49:23):
But this is the thing with me with so Andy's
character in the book is almost thirty years old. Yeah,
and then they heard it fifteen year old, which makes okay,
that makes sense. Okay, I'm finding these sick pedophiles online
trying to and and I'm you know, I'm making sure
they don't do this again. The Andy in the book
is just kind of like I got fucked over by
one man, and I just hate man. I'm just doing

(49:44):
this because I hate man. It's like the movie did
it better.

Speaker 1 (49:47):
Okay, I think the movie did it way better. They're
also watching a movie that Warner Brothers owns because of
the book. It's RATEDO is a Lost Ark, and they're like,
we're not paying Disney shit put one of our movies
up there. But yeah, I like that he's strong enough
to affect crow Daddy, like, no, no, you're not gonna work.

Speaker 2 (50:04):
Yeah, oh no, I don't do that.

Speaker 1 (50:06):
But she can put you to sleep. And then she
puts the snake bite tattoo carving on your face, which
I feel like they're kind of taken from Girl with
the Dragon Tattoo element where she like tattoos the guy. Yeah,
tells him like you'll never remove that, yeah.

Speaker 2 (50:21):
And also she like he also makes he gives her
thet She gives them the memory of a no face
person in white so they can't go back and like
tell find find out who is which is that scene
when they turn andy in the book. It's kind of
cool and it was kind of weird, like we didn't
get that actual like her like translutioning like when they die, yeah,

(50:41):
because you almost kind of have to die to be
commry or not. It's kind of weird that we didn't
get that in the movie.

Speaker 1 (50:47):
Yeah, I thought it was kind of weird.

Speaker 2 (50:48):
Because like we see that process happened. It was weird
to not see that visually.

Speaker 1 (50:54):
Yeah, this is when they go out to like the beach.
Yeah yeah, yeah, they do the whole ceremony. Grandpa Flick
is there. Yeah, who's Carlin Strickland from uh what were
called Twin Peaks?

Speaker 2 (51:06):
Yeah, he lack he was in Gerald's game. Here's the
creepy figure Adams family. He's a large families.

Speaker 1 (51:14):
I can't believe that guy's still around. But I was like, wow,
what's wrong with his hand? That's just what it looks like.
He's very pig But yeah, so we get that.

Speaker 2 (51:23):
Meanwhile, while all that, so they got they got snake
Mike Andy, they're trying to recruit her. We get uh
a Abra at her birthday party, and she has shown
that she has some special ability.

Speaker 1 (51:36):
Yeah. I think before the birthday party they show that,
like she's playing the piano, right.

Speaker 2 (51:40):
Yeah, that's not in the theater, that'sig in theatric cut.

Speaker 1 (51:42):
Yeah. Yeah, so in the director's cut, she's playing the piano.
She goes to bed and the parents think that she
woke up to play the piano. But the piano is
just playing.

Speaker 2 (51:49):
Itself, which is in the book. Yeah, yeah, which is funny.
So my notes are based off the theatric cut. I
made my notes before.

Speaker 1 (51:57):
That's right, Well I'll enter, but yeah, I said. The
birthday party, there's a magician, yeah, who's showing off all
the tricks with the spoons. She's like, I could do that.
He's like, how whatever, girls, stop trying to like your
parents are paying me, can you stop trying to one
up me? The hell?

Speaker 2 (52:13):
Yeah, I won't say one thing that annoys the shit
out of me. After they cut from that and it's
the party's over, there's just fucking cake and trash all
over the ground, Like, who the fuck just left their
trash on the ground and put in a trash can.

Speaker 1 (52:25):
It was a bunch of little kids. I yeah, yeah,
but yeah, I like. They go into the kitchen and
she's putting the spoons all on the ceiling. Yeah, and
it freaks them out. But then she really she sees
the reaction, it's like, oh, I shouldn't be doing this.

Speaker 2 (52:37):
Well. Another thing is later in the movie when they
don't when they have so much disbelief. I'm like, y'all
saw what she fucking did.

Speaker 1 (52:43):
They don't want to believe it, though, What the fuck?
How can you not understand this? Like y'all, y'all saw it?
By the way, I don't know you're a dad. I
think kids would be the opposite. They're like, you know
what I'm gonna do, and I'm gonna see how much
of trouble I will get it, you know. Okay, so
we're actually gonna.

Speaker 2 (52:55):
Review, uh, the Twilight Zone after this. Yeah, it's a
it's it's a real life. It's a good life for when. Yeah,
it's a good life. The Twilight Zone episode versus the
Joe Joe Dante short, Yeah, that episode is fucked That
a child there's a reason why they call him a
fucking month.

Speaker 1 (53:13):
He's evil. He's fucking evil. I don't like that's the realism.
Even my nieces like you can tell them no and
they'll listen sometimes, but other times they're like, yeah, it
would be real funny if I did. I know it
won't be funny if you don't. So I feel like
her being like, oh, she'd be like, well, maybe i'll
lift up the car. Maybe they'll like that.

Speaker 2 (53:32):
It makes sense because especially definitely if it's a little boy.

Speaker 1 (53:36):
Like, yeah, what have a move the TV around you
like that, won't you? Yeah, but they're freaked out. They
cut out the whole subplot with like the doctor who
is in the movie but only for like two scenes. Yeah,
he was bigger careter. The doctor is like aware of
Abra and her like stuff, and he's.

Speaker 2 (53:51):
Like, I don't know which is in Gerd's game as well?

Speaker 1 (53:53):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (53:54):
Uh fall House Usher too, Yes, yes, yes, but yeah,
so after this we cut back to now Danny and
uh Danny has hit rock bottom. He finds himself in
uh Fraser, Nebraska, New Hampshire.

Speaker 1 (54:08):
Say, Nebraska. Wow, New Hampshire, Nebraska just formed the Mighty Nebraska. Well,
you know this is the you know what was it
a giant turtle threw up at universe? You know, it
is the whole stephen.

Speaker 4 (54:20):
Key Nebraska, like in t Town. Yeah, well that's just funny,
which is funny because that's confused me in the movies,
Like the book was like her name was teeny and
he shows up in teeny Town.

Speaker 2 (54:38):
Yeah, I got kind of confused. So there's two teenis here,
which I thought was funny. I like the whole teeny
town concept.

Speaker 1 (54:45):
Yeah, I liked it too, but yeah, Billy Freeman's here,
who again is he will be taking on the role
of the doctor also, and I think like a third
guy they're working in that.

Speaker 2 (54:54):
So so well the doctor and Billy and Dave. Because
Dave gets killed, yeah, the aber.

Speaker 1 (55:00):
His dad kind of gets worked into him too. Yeah,
So they build up this character a little bit more,
which all out of the three characters that made the
most sense for Danny.

Speaker 2 (55:07):
Yeah, put them all in there for Danny. Yeah yeah
so but yeah, so and in the movie. In the book,
there's multiple characters that kind of become their uh their
uh what's the word before of a group of people there,
let's worry.

Speaker 1 (55:20):
Uh.

Speaker 2 (55:20):
In the book, it's mainly in the movie, it's just
pretty much Billy and Danny.

Speaker 1 (55:24):
Uh.

Speaker 2 (55:24):
But Billy finds Danny. He can tell obviously there's some
problem with him. He's got a black eye and he's
seen that.

Speaker 1 (55:30):
Look.

Speaker 2 (55:31):
He is a fellow alcoholic person and he's working on
himself with AA and he uh. He offers him a
job working on at teeny Town, working with the train,
and then he gets him a place to stay.

Speaker 1 (55:43):
Yes, and uh. They make a point to say that
like the previous tenant was a teacher. Yeah, he put
chalkboard paint, which early two thousands a lot of people
were like in my roommate when he got his own
place afterwards, he put like chalkboard paint for his like
senior thesis on and stuff. But because I think of
the movie she ever said the messages like at work
on like a board. Yeah, so they changed it for

(56:03):
the movie where it could be like on his wall,
and it's more it's it's more basically please.

Speaker 2 (56:07):
Yeah, and their conversations also, like when when they reach
out to each other they used email in the movie
the book, and the chalkboard makes more sense.

Speaker 1 (56:15):
Yeah, I hearst she's doing it on his board and
then they eventually like communicate. But yeah, I like the
chalkboard was like way cooler. Yeah, yeah, one understand. So
it sets that up that there's a chalkboard where you
can do messages. Uh.

Speaker 2 (56:27):
So Danny goes back to bed after in his new
apartment and he is what he wakes up and he
has a guest in his bed and it is teeny.

Speaker 1 (56:36):
Yeah I think it's Deany whatever name is.

Speaker 2 (56:39):
Yeah, it's Deanie. And this is heartbreaking. This is more
tragic than the book. Yeah, so we find out she's
like I'm dead.

Speaker 1 (56:48):
She's like the neighbors were so used to the baby
crying they never even checked, and like it's implied that
she died and the baby like eventually stopped crying because
it passed out and also died. Yeah, because for star
started to Yeah, and like it's an animatronic baby. Apparently
the notes they have called it ropo baby, but like
turns around and they got the flies on ye. So

(57:09):
in the book it was very different. He realizes that,
like he like goes through a while and see.

Speaker 2 (57:12):
A picture of a guy. It's a brother, her brother. Yeah,
it's a brother. He's been abusing the baby.

Speaker 1 (57:18):
Yes, And you find out that like he left them there,
she didn't die when he left there, and at some
point the brother like came in and like killed them. Yeah,
but this one, it's like I know, and like Danny
feels like conflicted for that in the book, and I'm like,
how much could you have done? Like like even if
like you didn't take the money or anything, like she
probably wouldn't still would have happened. Yeah. People there have

(57:39):
been people who try to save people from abusive situations,
but they're so stuck in it that they will have themselves.
So like the movie version, it's like, it's more on Danny.
He could have left the door open so the baby
could have wandered out and find found other people, but
he didn't do anything. So I like the movie version,
it's on him that.

Speaker 2 (57:55):
She yeah, yeah, and that is his that's his breaking point.
That makes more sense for it to be his breaking from.
Then he goes downstairs to talk to Billy and he's like,
you said, you've seen this look before. I need help. Uh,
And that's when Billy gets him into AA.

Speaker 1 (58:11):
And I guess worked for Stephen King. Uh yeah, yeah,
I mean I mean like because I mean I'm not
sitting on a no no, anyway, it's better than doing nothing. Yeah,
of course. But I was looking at like the actual
like percentage of like how many people actually helps. It
seems really inconsistent.

Speaker 2 (58:27):
But it depends. It depends on the person. Obviously, it's
it's an individual. And also I will say AAA is
based off your group. It's only it's only as effective
as the group because every group is different. Every group
of people are different. And some people are knowing someone
who's been to AA and they've literally said like, it's

(58:48):
hard to find a good group, and if you find
the good group, then it's easier to stay.

Speaker 1 (58:53):
So I my I had an old roommate who was
on house arrest, so I got a free place to
stay because they need someone who could run errands for them.
So I just lived with this person for like six months.
But one of the things I had to do was
driver to AA meetings and yeah, like it was weird
being a not alcoholic. I'm like, well, I'm getting like
a whole different view of this. Yeah, some groups were

(59:14):
definitely better than others. There were ones that are very
more religious than others. Yes, oh yeah, yeah, yeah, there
were some where it was just like the one I
was like, yeah, my power went out. So I figured,
you know, they can't call me to see my mom.
So I went to the store and I bought a case. Like, well,
how did you think that was gonna end? Like, I'm
just like, I'm like, you had to work really hard
to get that. He's like, yeah, I walk two miles

(59:35):
to buy a CASEE Like all right, dude, you you
have a problem.

Speaker 2 (59:37):
Yeah, it's not like like they said, the groups, it's
a big process where like so like you said, some
are religious based, some are on, some are more like and.

Speaker 1 (59:45):
Also a lot of people there are an alcoholics. I
when I was ubering, I remember this one girl was
like into drugs. She's like, she's like, I can't go
to drugs anonymous, it's just where drug dealers fine to cry.
And She's like, I have to go to alcoholics. And
I'm like, man, that is so he has to go
there and be like I'm an alcoholic. Yeah. So yeah,
but I guess it worked for Stephen King. So this

(01:00:06):
movie like really makes it look like, ya, this will
save well, not only because I mean fucking he was
addicted to coke. I mean yeah, yeah. He has no
memory of making Kujo. Yeah not Kujo was a maximum overdrive,
the one he directed. Okay, freaking that movie. I remember that.
There was a big thing about Kujo. He said, where, uh,
we're probably doing it on.

Speaker 2 (01:00:24):
At one point at Kujo, he looked into a trash
can all it was full of bloody tissues because he
kept on getting noseley for so much coked.

Speaker 1 (01:00:30):
Was Yeah, but I guess it really worked for him,
and it looks like it's gonna work for Danny. He
beats the doctor there.

Speaker 2 (01:00:36):
Yeah, and uh though it's doctor John, which we get
the great scene if he explains to him, he's you
can tell. And then through the conversation he keeps on
filling with his wrist. Danny knows where he left.

Speaker 1 (01:00:47):
His Yeah, and this is a big display of power.
I think in the book there's he has more of
a reason to tell him. Yeah, but this was Oh
by the way, uh, you were watching your hands and
this and this, and you left the watch there and
he's just like I would be like, are you a
fucking stalker? What are you doing? Why are you following?

Speaker 2 (01:01:03):
In the book, it's more like, oh, you could tell
he's very upset about losing the watch because it is
so important that his wife gave it to him, because
he's that's what he's getting in his mind.

Speaker 1 (01:01:12):
This is just it's I get it.

Speaker 2 (01:01:14):
It's great that it's in the movie, and we don't
have time for to explain all that in the movie.
The direct I mean three hours long for the rectress.
That's pretty fucking long.

Speaker 1 (01:01:21):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:01:22):
But yeah, so this works in his favor because then
doctor John uh starts looking at his resume.

Speaker 1 (01:01:29):
Offers him a job as an orderly and the scene
is almost exactly like the scene of the owner of
the overlook hiring Jack. Yeah, it's the same. It's shot
almost exactly the same. It's the same room, it's the same.
It's the same room, the exact same room, or they
probably built a set. Oh yeah, it's I don't think

(01:01:49):
it's the exact same room. I think it was a
different it's the same office. But yeah they Yeah, so
they and windows there the little cut cutout, and it's
even shot the same way, so it mix that, which
I like because they were like there, you know their
dad or he's kind of the same age as d Yeah,
he's a little bit older than Jack was.

Speaker 2 (01:02:06):
Yeah, but it works to the way because this he's
getting a job that Jack was getting a job to
save his marriage and stuff. He's what's called he's getting
a job to save himself. Yes, what's called which he
found out him becoming doctor sleep. Yes, yes, which is
very cool, very cool.

Speaker 1 (01:02:25):
Yes, Yes, so he ends up being in orderly.

Speaker 2 (01:02:27):
At that hospital, which also another thing is Yeah. I
don't know if you noticed, but like when he's in
Deny's apartment, I kept on looking at him, like, why
is that shirt look so fucking funny? On it's scrubs, yeah,
I said there was like, that's the weird. Why is
human Gregor wearing a shirt that does obviously doesn't fit
him right, And I was like, Oh, it's scrubbs because
he because this isn't his this isn't his first Yeah,

(01:02:48):
like h hospital style job.

Speaker 1 (01:02:51):
Yeah, he's mentioned in other place.

Speaker 2 (01:02:53):
Yeah, yeah, which is very cool because then we cut to, Uh,
is this when we cut to eight years later?

Speaker 1 (01:03:00):
I think it flashes for there might be checker your notes.
I think maybe there was one scene after this, but
I think it flashes forward here.

Speaker 2 (01:03:05):
Yeah, so this is when we cut to eight years later.

Speaker 1 (01:03:08):
Well, no, I take it back.

Speaker 2 (01:03:10):
Yeah, we haven't cut eight years like, because first we
get get the person in hospice. Where do they co
damn them doctor sleep?

Speaker 1 (01:03:17):
Yes, we're we find out that this cat. I like
that it was two cats, a younger one in the
older one Asi for Asrael, the cat of death. He
usually goes up to people's rooms who are about to die,
which is based off a true story. Yeah, Stephen King
write a story about a cat that did this and
worked it in here and your cat which looks like
the one from pet Cemetery. Yes, church obviously now it's

(01:03:38):
not here. It keeps running up to me and I'm like,
am I gonna die? I don't understand, uh, but yeah,
and he's there with this old man who's just like,
I'm scared to death and he's like, hey, it's kind
of like sleeping, and he's like he comforts and the
guy gives him the nickname doctor Sleep. Yeah. Uh, So
basically he's using his shine to comfort people in the
last moments and let them go peacefully, which.

Speaker 2 (01:04:00):
Is I love this because Danny has a little boys
called Doc because of because of bugs Bunny now him
as an adult, he's.

Speaker 1 (01:04:07):
Called Doc, kind of becoming Doc doctor Sleep. And also
it shows that animals have to shine. Cat has a
little bit of a shine, so he knows when people
are gonna pass it cares. I don't know. I've never
met a cat that would actually care. Real cat would
be like, does that guy feed.

Speaker 2 (01:04:21):
Me, I'm not going in this room, or there's just
way for you to die so they can eat. But yeah, yeah,
I like this scene a lot because it's I like
the reassurance that he gives the man, uh you know,
uh he tells him, which is That's another thing. Is
in the scene that there's a little bit more to
it than the theatric cut. They kind of talk a
little bit more, especially the second scene where we see

(01:04:44):
the eight years later and he talks to the guy
he talks about his son's that's not even in the
theatric Yeah at all. Yeah, so now it's eight years
later and uh, Danny's been eight years sober. At AA meeting,
he starts opening up how this was for his dad
because he knew or he's standing is where his dad
wanted to be.

Speaker 1 (01:05:03):
Yeah, He's like, my dad was at a place just
like this. He was never able to like beat his addiction.
He leaves out the whole heart, not the ghost hotel.
He's like, and then we went to that ghost hotel
where evil ghosts made him even and everyone would just
be like, oh my god, he's not sober. Somewhere, someone,

(01:05:24):
can we have a breathalyzer here? What's going on here? Uh?
He leaves that part out wisely, but yeah, so it's
like a big moment where he was able to achieve
something that his dad wasn't able to do it.

Speaker 2 (01:05:34):
Yeah, and it means a lot to him because that's
kind of like what he was driving for which is
another thing is kind of helps clean up the whole
like always looking at like Jack being a bad guy.

Speaker 1 (01:05:44):
Yeah. I do like that. It provides context that was
purposely left out of the previous film. Yes, because Stanley
Cooper is like, I just want to chackter. It was
going to be a dick.

Speaker 2 (01:05:53):
Well, that's the funny thing is seem King gave him
a screen place just run.

Speaker 1 (01:05:56):
Trash, keep the parts I like pie. But yeah, so.

Speaker 2 (01:06:00):
Now meanwhile we get we get uh, we get scenes
of the true not and they are running low on steam.

Speaker 1 (01:06:09):
Yes, they're establishing this a lot earlier. I mean the
book mentions that there's like less steam these days. Yeah,
but we'll get well, let me get to it. The
book has a different reason for a while, they're why
they're dying. Yeah, the movie version is setting it up
that like they're just not feeding as well as they
use it.

Speaker 2 (01:06:27):
Yeah, because Crowdaddy brings up because I don't know if
it's the Internet and tablets. Yeah, it's like basically children
don't have that much of an imagination of mind things are.

Speaker 1 (01:06:35):
They have other things to suppress their sh exactly them from.

Speaker 2 (01:06:40):
Using exactly exactly so it's like, can.

Speaker 1 (01:06:42):
We open up a canister and she's like resistant to
it at first, She's like, we fed six months ago
and she's like a kid was not very steamy, they mentioned.

Speaker 2 (01:06:50):
And I think it's I think it's also the scene
where he's like, I've been we're still trying to find
the boy. Yeah, well like I've been tracking him. I
think he's so and so. But X one people need
steam were hungry, Yes, yes, yes, So then we cut
to they found the Boy, which is fun The when
the scouts were not Scouts but the guys in the

(01:07:12):
talking is.

Speaker 1 (01:07:14):
Danny who came out of retirement for it to do
that scene, which I thought was funny. It is funny
though if he's just like looking at you and McGregor
and he's like, oh, that's what they like. I don't
look as good as what was funny too.

Speaker 2 (01:07:27):
Also, because they were gone, they were contemplating on asking
Jack Jack Nicholson if he would come back from mood.
But after Ready Player one, it was was very public
where he was like, I retired, they want him for
Ready Player one for some reason I don't know.

Speaker 1 (01:07:42):
Because there was a shining section. There was a huge
section of the Ready Player one movie where they go
into the Shining.

Speaker 2 (01:07:49):
I watched that movie once, hated it and never watched then.

Speaker 1 (01:07:53):
It was like mediocre at best, but yeah, there's a
whole shining. So I feel like maybe Warner Bay was like, well,
we just did a bunch of shining stuff, a shining pregel.
But yeah, I like that they brought like the real
Danny back. Yeah. It reminds me because we did like
all the Omens on My Child, the Omen remake the
original Damien is like the photographer that gets oh nice
out by nice driver. It's always fun when they do

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a little wings and nods like that.

Speaker 2 (01:08:16):
I like it when they do stuff like that, Like
like one part like I thought was kind of stupid,
like was like, uh, I think it was end game.
They brought Jim Starlin, but he was just sitting in
the uh heroes of that Lost People in Honestness or whatever.

Speaker 1 (01:08:30):
Oh yeah, the Russo brothers are sitting there and Jim
Starlin saying that created Thanos. Yeah, and it's just so weird,
Like he didn't say anything that's dumb. Oh he's not
an actor. I know. It was like that fine. I
just did forget Dareduvil two thousand and three. Frank Miller's
in it for a second. He just has a pen
in his head and falls down. I'm like the famous
Frank Miller.

Speaker 2 (01:08:49):
Uh so, yeah, they find him and uh we find
out he can tell the pitches before they're even thrown.

Speaker 1 (01:08:54):
That's why he's so good. He was gonna shine to cheat.
Yeah kids these days, I know, but so he and
for some reason his parents are just okay with him
walking fucking him really far in a cornfield. Like it's
not even like he has a bike or something.

Speaker 2 (01:09:12):
This is and this is current time.

Speaker 1 (01:09:14):
Yeah, this isn't even like you have the excuse. I
think even in the book version, it's like, is there
a sidewalker just the side of a very long in
the eighties this would be okay, Not in twenty eighteen,
twenty nineteen whatever, Like he would have car pulled with
like another family or something.

Speaker 2 (01:09:28):
I won't let my son watch walk down to the
bus stop without walking with it. But yeah, so they
end up pulling up the side and they end up
convincing him to get in the car because they have
snake back bite. Andy she like basically she's a pusher,
which is fun because even though there's no reference to
it and uh, the fire Starter, but that's what uh,

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I think it's a Andy. I think that was Andy.
Andy was a pusher. Oh and that's what he could do.
He could change your mind, making things and stuff like that.

Speaker 1 (01:09:57):
We forgot to mention Andy in the Steak Bite Andy. Yeah,
she has a whole scene with Rose before she turns. Yeah. Yeah,
in the book she like sleeps with Rose ones and
then she gets like our girlfriend and the true not
and they completely eliminate that relationship. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:10:12):
Yeah, it's weird too because like like like I said earlier,
it makes more sense. But they changed her character for
the movie. Uh, but I will say, like if if
anybody was just not everybody in this movie acts weird,
I will say, she just acts.

Speaker 1 (01:10:30):
Let's just stares at a weird and I guess it's
part of her power. But she's just very weird.

Speaker 2 (01:10:35):
Yeah, it's very awkwardly acting in her scenes where she
like stares at people and stuff. Like I guess, like
I said, that makes more sense now maybe because she's
using her powers. But yeah, they pick up the Little
Boy and this is the scene saw at once. I
am done. But they drag him out to a field
that's in an abandoned like factory or corn huss I
don't know.

Speaker 1 (01:10:55):
What it was. It was some kind of chemic I
think it was a chemical fact.

Speaker 2 (01:10:57):
Chemical factory or whatever.

Speaker 1 (01:10:59):
And they then we actually see them how they still steam,
so they like straight up town. They haven't tie down.
They're like, we're gonna kill you. And Barry is playing
with the glove comes to the play later, but yeah,
she tells the kids. She's like, pain purifies the team
and she goes, you understand right, which we'll come back
to bite her in the She's like, is this gonna hurt?
He's like yes, it's just like straight up. So they

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are purposely torturing him. Oh my god. So like the shining,
which looks like steam comes out of them, and they
like inhale.

Speaker 2 (01:11:27):
It, which in the book there's two different types of steam.
And when someone dies and then when someone who has
shine dies, yes, when someone who dies it's red. When
someone who shine dies it's the.

Speaker 1 (01:11:40):
Yeah, so they like torture with the kid and apparently
like the kid was like fine with it.

Speaker 2 (01:11:43):
Oh yeah, he did a great job.

Speaker 1 (01:11:44):
Yeah, well he was like whatever, But apparently it was
messing up with Becca Firs. All of them like they
all felt weird about it.

Speaker 2 (01:11:50):
There was Mike after the first cut, after the first shot,
Mike was like, all right, that was great. All of
y'all's expression we can't use because some of them get
teared up. They were so like it was fun because
like before they were shoot the scene, like yeah, we're
gonna kill this kid. They were like hype to shoot
the scene. And then when the little boy his acting,
that feels so freaking real as a kid being tortured.
It was crazy, and that that set people off because

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I mean.

Speaker 1 (01:12:12):
None of them had seen the Predator yet, or else
they would have been like me, the Predator one at
this kid's brain.

Speaker 2 (01:12:21):
But unfortunately to them, his screams are so loud. Uh
Abra is able to shine.

Speaker 1 (01:12:28):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:12:28):
Yeah, for his shining, it's like they said, like they
said earlier in the movie, it's like a radio. He
shines so loud. At one point, Abra's able to hear it, and.

Speaker 1 (01:12:37):
She looks in and they can sense that someone's looking.
You're not sure who, but yeah, she watches them murder them. Yeah,
and then she sends us message to Danny about a murder,
which I like, where like the wall just explodes and
it's conveniently written in the way he wrote.

Speaker 2 (01:12:55):
Red Rum, which is also funny because in the book
she's been talking him to Tony this entire time.

Speaker 1 (01:13:01):
Not yes, Danny, Yes, did we do the part where
he passes out yet in front of the doctor and
he has the nosebleed? Did that happen?

Speaker 2 (01:13:10):
Noah?

Speaker 1 (01:13:11):
Yeah, that's the thing, like the Tony thing. They never
really played up on it the way I thought they would,
and neither we find out at the very end of
the Shining book his middle name is Anthony. Yeah, so
it's applied that Tony is like him from the future,
sending signals back. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:13:26):
And it's also like it's it's his coping mechanism to
handling the Shine. Yes, it's like he's created this being
of his elder self, something he would look up to.

Speaker 1 (01:13:36):
Yeah. And then in the I think in the book
version they mentioned Tony looks like him as a kid. Now,
But yeah, neither movie really tells you who Tony is
and what Tony is.

Speaker 2 (01:13:45):
They kind of like this is actually actually take back.
This might be the scene where he passes out from
the Little Boy is it.

Speaker 1 (01:13:51):
No, I thought it was.

Speaker 2 (01:13:52):
Is that what she reaches out to Danny. She reaches
out to Danny and that's when he passes out, I think,
because I.

Speaker 1 (01:13:58):
Thought that when she's when they're murder the kid is
when he gets the big murder.

Speaker 2 (01:14:02):
Oh, yeah, you're right, you're right. Yeah, Yeah, you're right,
you're right, you're right. That's when she shit, I don't remember.
She reaches out to him and that's when he passes out.

Speaker 1 (01:14:10):
Yeah, and then her parents are like, who died? You're
talking about? What are you? What is who's dying? Oh?

Speaker 2 (01:14:16):
It's when it is the later scene when Abra goes
to find there, yeah, and then she goes to a
grocery store, right yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:14:26):
So after this, after abro It starts to look up
the little boy, she wants to get more information on
what she saw rose the hat and understands that someone
was looking she felt big steam, but they're going to
look into it.

Speaker 2 (01:14:39):
She goes to school, gets a print out, finds them
on the missing person list, uh, brings it home. Uh,
and she's going to try to pull something from that
information and she starts to almost shine, but play a
playback of the event and she's jotting down information that
she's going to try to give to Danny because she

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knows she's obviously she's just a little girl. She can't
do this herself. She can't go on that trip to
like it's inspected. So she's gonna take this information and
she's finally going to meet Danny in person to give
it to him because she now knows what Danny doesn't know,
that there's beings out there like this and they won't
stop until they're stopped.

Speaker 1 (01:15:19):
Yeah. Yeah, I was gonna say, like, I can't follow
up on that.

Speaker 2 (01:15:27):
So after she finds that information and she writes it down,
she then gets up and goes to the window. And
this is when I don't know. I guess she's she's
trying to track them, and she does a trick that
she's never done before, so I guess she shines too hard.
Instead of going to where they're at, she goes into Rose.

Speaker 1 (01:15:48):
Yes, yeah, and Rose feels her.

Speaker 2 (01:15:51):
Oh yeah, this is a great I love this her
like floped like the whole like where the room turns
and then you see just the pov of Rose and
then it cuts to the music and the yeah gross store,
great scene.

Speaker 1 (01:16:06):
Yeah, and I like that, like Rose like feels her
in her head, Yeah, trying to communicate with and then
like when she leaves, she like knocks Rose like grass
shatters and throws Yeah, and the girls like are you
okayial like a fine, She's like okay, and I'm.

Speaker 2 (01:16:18):
Like gonna clean up all the glass. Yeah, because that's
what sharks screaming, get out, get out, get out. Yeah,
and that's what hits Danny and that's what causes Danny
to pass out.

Speaker 1 (01:16:26):
Yeah. And then Danny they're like, you were calling for
Tony yeah, and he's like, oh, I was what you're
talking about. So that's that's so weird. They keep on
bringing up Tony and it's just like, well, well we are, like,
like because guess because that was never fully established in
the movie, So I guess they're still trying to For
people who only watch them, they want to keep it vague.
They don't want to spell that part out. Yeah yeah,

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but oh no, am I gonna die? Hello? Kat? How
are you so?

Speaker 2 (01:16:53):
Aber now takes a trip to actually see Danny in person.

Speaker 1 (01:16:57):
Uh.

Speaker 2 (01:16:58):
She goes on a bus to uh to uh to
teeny town and uh, she you know, basically calls him
uncle Tony. Yes, do you want to talk about that now?

Speaker 1 (01:17:09):
Yeah? Her uncle Dan, Yeah, I do like that. He's like,
how did you find me? He's like, I was look
at GPS in my head. I just knew where you were. Yes,
So since they threw out this whole end, oh yeah,
he's fine. Oh sorry, you're here. We go, guys, Am
I gonna die? Is the pet cemetery going to kill me?
You can hang out here for a second. Yeah. So

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in the book, I guess who did he co write
this with? Oh? I don't. I didn't look it up.
I think I guess. Uh. You know, they knew Star
Wars was coming back, and they were like, let's get
ahead of this. Let's do a George Lucas where we
make characters related for no reason.

Speaker 2 (01:17:47):
I told you before you read that, I was like,
there's a part in the movie.

Speaker 1 (01:17:50):
You're like, what the you know, it's funny. I had
it when I looked into this, like I looked up
the differences, like when the movie came out, and I
remember I already knew this, but like when you actually read,
I'm like, maybe, I'm like that sounds stupid. Maybe the
book will make it make more sense. No, you find
out that uh, what do you called Abra's mom's mom. Yeah,

(01:18:12):
her grandmother, because Momo is her great grandmother. Yeah, her
grandmother was a party girl in college. Yeah, and she
slept with one of their professors who was a party guy.
And it turns out that Jack Torrence and one of
his drunken benders banged one of his students. I don't
even think he knew. Uh. And Abra is actually Dan's

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niece and her mom is Dan's half sister.

Speaker 2 (01:18:39):
It bugs me because now my memory is vague on
it was he with Wendy when this supposedly happened, uh,
because that's not in the book at all. In the
first book, he is not there's no infidelity anything.

Speaker 1 (01:18:53):
Probably doesn't know. He was probably too freaking drunk and
literally doesn't know. Maybe he was with Wendy. She looks
a little, she looks younger than Danny. Yeah, maybe he
was with Wendy.

Speaker 2 (01:19:02):
Yeah, because that's the thing is like, when I read that,
I'm like, I'm like, what are you.

Speaker 1 (01:19:04):
Doing, Stephen. I don't know why they unless it was
like a generational thing. Maybe because the very end of
the book they mentioned as Okay, I'm gonna they mentioned
Abra they caught her like drinking, and I think that's
one of those like no, we're gonna stop this is hereditary.
We're gonna stop it right now. But he didn't need to.

Speaker 2 (01:19:25):
I'm like, by the way, by the way, I.

Speaker 1 (01:19:27):
Don't know if you know this, Like I know, like
it can be hereditary and stuff. But like, also there's
a lot of alcoholics now. All of them are related
to each other. See the thing, I don't know. I
felt like it was a pointless, uh Star Wars type
reveal that didn't really add too much. So I like
that they got rid of that plot line. I like
that she's just a girl as the shining. She's very
strong with the shining. But yeah, he explains it what

(01:19:48):
her gift is, Like he's call it the shining. Yeah,
he's like, I don't really use mine, least use our
outside voices. So, like, like I said, she's like a looker.
She can look into a are people with the shinings? Yeah,
like for a reason she hyper focused on That's the
thing is.

Speaker 2 (01:20:04):
It's almost like she can she can project, she can look.
It's kind of crazy because like she literally is like
she is kind of like it's it's crazy, but it
reminds me of like Dragon ball Z. There's always the
best character and there's always someone better than that character
to show up later in a season. Yeah, and that
was because like Danny was the best at shining and

(01:20:26):
then now Abra is the new Danny, which, to be honest,
like we talked about a little earlier, I would read
a book. I would read al it'd be nice, I
mean to see while her life goes because they make
it clear the true Knot are not the only true Knot.
There's more people like That doesn't mean they're called the
true Knot, and there are other people that still do that.

Speaker 1 (01:20:44):
It's just this particular group were focus on exactly.

Speaker 2 (01:20:48):
But yeah, so uh, he basically tells her, he's like,
listen here, I can't help you. And if you if
they are as bad as they say they are, they're
gonna come after you.

Speaker 1 (01:20:57):
He's like, just hider shine.

Speaker 2 (01:20:58):
Yeah, yeah, you need to stop it now and you
need to not do it ever again because they will
find you and I don't you know, and you're not
gonna be able to take them all on. Yeah, which
is not the answer she wanted unfortunately. So meanwhile, Rose
the Hat wants to find Abrah because now she knows
how powerful she actually is, and they're going to try

(01:21:20):
to use her as like a cow. Yeah, they are
gonna just bleed her drive.

Speaker 1 (01:21:24):
Well, she comes up with that plan after their interaction.

Speaker 2 (01:21:27):
Oh yeah, yea yeah yeah, after the whole I.

Speaker 1 (01:21:30):
Think maybe it was earlier, but yeah, no, he yeah,
that's the plan. The Crow tells her like, oh, that's
been tried before and it doesn't work. It's like, well
we're gonna try it. Yeah, because it'll feed us for
decades and decades and decades.

Speaker 2 (01:21:43):
Yeah, because some people that's another thing is like okay,
so like for example, uh, the Chunk, he's like five
hundred years old. Yeah, Grandpaul Flick is like thousands of
years old. So they've been doing this shit for a
very long time.

Speaker 1 (01:21:57):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:21:59):
So she is gonna tried to use her powers and
she's going to find Abra to like get a location
on her, and which is really cool. So Abra sees
this coming and she sets a trap for her.

Speaker 1 (01:22:11):
I do, and I love the shot of like rose
flying gray clouds.

Speaker 2 (01:22:14):
Oh my god.

Speaker 1 (01:22:14):
So but yeah, she goes into Abra's mind, like her room,
and she sees all the filing cabinets, which is this
is like the memory warehouse or the me what do
they call it. There's a specific term for it. Stephen
King likes to use it, and Thomas Harris uses it
in Hannibal books.

Speaker 2 (01:22:32):
He used it in a drink Catcher.

Speaker 1 (01:22:34):
That's the thing. I've never read Dreamcasuer, but the movie
mentioned the whole like memory whatever. Yeah, uh, it's like palace,
memory palace because Hannibal Thomas Harris uses it for Hannibal
Lecter two. Uh but yeah, she mentiones like my memory
palace is like a cathedral because she's been alive for
so long. So she starts going through all like the
little files.

Speaker 2 (01:22:53):
Well they say that like there's a couple. There is
technically a theory that that is true. Like your brain
is like a storage unite and at some point that
storage unit gets full and you have to delete memories
to take to learn new ship or whatever. So it's
kind of cool to see that visually.

Speaker 1 (01:23:08):
Yeah, yeah, but yeah, you're right, it's a trap. The
filing lands on her head and then she realizes that
what you call it is in her head going over
all her files and abra Okay, I never watched this show.
But Rooster Teeth, the web series, did an anime called Ruby,
and there's a lot of Ruby stuff in her room.

(01:23:29):
So I thought that was just made for the movie. No, No,
that was like I never watched it, but like I
guess Warner Brothers had some kind of statement. So yeah,
so her like dream self is a little bit like
this Ruby character where in the books she's looking like
a character from Game of Thrones because that was popular
at the time. So I thought that was a nice
little representation, like she gives herself a different look, which

(01:23:49):
is smart. She's like, I changed things around my room
so she wouldn't actually be able to get any real
information to tag me. Yeah, but they said it up earlier.
She's a fan of whatever the hell is show?

Speaker 2 (01:23:59):
Yeah, sure, it's like, yeah, there's a there's a there's
like a toy on her nightstand, and then there's at
the end of the maybe there's a poster on a
well yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:24:04):
Yeah, but yeah, so she goes into Rose's head and
then like Rose like leaves back in her body and
falls off.

Speaker 2 (01:24:13):
Yeah, she follows off and she's like, and mind you,
we find out they can be hurt. Her hand is
still like it didn't just happen in a dream.

Speaker 1 (01:24:19):
Yeah, No, it's like literally bleeding and then like the
worst time. She's like ah, they're like, oh bad news,
Like all right now, I was like, Doug, Grandpa's dying. Yeah,
Grandpa Flick's dying. Now here's a big change in the book,
as someone else had already previously died and they were like, oh,
they got sick, and they're like, we don't get sick.
So the idea is like they're not feeding well enough.
Uh so they're now like susceptible to diseases, and they

(01:24:41):
or they theorize like maybe this is something that was
always going to happen to us. It just took her
really well.

Speaker 2 (01:24:45):
And they think they think that the child their previously
eight gave them the measles.

Speaker 1 (01:24:52):
Yeah, so the kid wasn't vaccinated. I guess, so they
got measles from the kid. So in the book version,
they're dying from measles because none of them are vaccinated.
And they're like the only thing we can do is
take steam from a kid who is vaccinated. Like, I
don't really whatever, whatever you believe, I don't care, but
I feel like this was Stephen King like working in
like his stuff, like people need to know how important

(01:25:12):
vaccines are. I'm like, yeah, but like I get it
in the real world, but like ghost vampires, it's a
little weird when you give it to ghost vampires.

Speaker 2 (01:25:20):
I'm sorry, this plot is so stupid, which.

Speaker 1 (01:25:22):
Is why the movie changed. My movie changes where they're
just not eating well enough and like Grandpa Flick is
just cycling, which I like that they kept the cycling
really different layers of their skin, like phase out of
like existings.

Speaker 2 (01:25:38):
Yeah, I would have liked to see that earlier in
the film when they actually turned snake Bike yeah, like
it did in the book. But they're so cool. I'm
glad it's still in the movie.

Speaker 1 (01:25:45):
Yeah, but I like that Andy os I thought we
lived forever. He's like, oh, did someone say that to you?
I love this? Does someone tell you that? I'm like,
I said, if you eat well, you can live long.
He's like, we have not eaten well in a while.

Speaker 2 (01:25:54):
So, which is funny because when they they take in
snake Bike Andy and they're already technically not eating well,
which is because she's still like the newest character.

Speaker 1 (01:26:06):
Well, I don't think they turn people offt in that's
the thing. They feed on kids with the shining. But
like if there's some like uh, they said, we haven't
had a pusher in a long time. Yeah, so Andy's
a replacement. Yeah. I don't think this version. I don't
think they want to really grow their numbers because they
just feed on these kids unless they have a specific
ability that would benefit them.

Speaker 2 (01:26:24):
Yeah, because that's the thing, is like, if they think
about it, that's one more mouth you gotta feed.

Speaker 1 (01:26:28):
Well, then that's why Crow is like, she's really strong
at looking in and interacting. Should we turn her? And
she's like, absolutely not, She's way too powerful. She can't
take us all, Like we are going to eat her.

Speaker 2 (01:26:39):
So now we get back to Danny and Dick ends
up paying him his visit. Yes, he's working at the
hospice care and we see this coolest scene as he
goes into the door. He's like, no, that's it's empty.
As I think you got to you know, something's going
on with you. You're you're picking up the wrong radar
or whatever. And we helpens up the door and he
thinks it's another overlook.

Speaker 1 (01:26:58):
Yeah, A hold on. I was saying the debt, which,
by the way, I like this actor. He was just
in Captain America. Yeah, he's in a bunch of stuff,
but no, he's he was a good replacement. Oh yeah,
uh but yeah, and actually worked out that, like in
the book version, you learned that Dick had died years previously. Yeah,
so it's.

Speaker 2 (01:27:18):
Still a ghost that comes and season.

Speaker 1 (01:27:20):
I get. I don't really remember too much in the book.
I think he maybe gets visited once or twice.

Speaker 2 (01:27:25):
He well, he does pay him the visit to tell him,
you got a debt you gotta pay.

Speaker 1 (01:27:29):
Okay, Okay, that did happen.

Speaker 2 (01:27:31):
Yeah, yeah, but now, like now it makes sense because
he actually had already passed.

Speaker 1 (01:27:35):
Yes, yes, yeah, so they mentioned that and like Danny
just didn't keep up with him. Yeah, he couldn't communicate
with him. So he had died years previously. So it
actually worked out that the previous movie killed him, so
he could still be a ghost in this. Yeah, and
look the way he did at the Overlook, whereas I
guess if they went by the book version, he would
look way older.

Speaker 2 (01:27:52):
And another thing is it seems like when you're when
you pass in your normal person who passes, not these
evil bloodsucking go stuff. You're you're you're different and to
to come back is very difficult for you to do
because he made because Dick makes it goes this is
my last.

Speaker 1 (01:28:09):
Yeah, like I can't really do this too much. And
then he says cause a Wheel, which is a link
to the Dark Tower, which I never read. I know,
it's so good.

Speaker 2 (01:28:18):
I want to start the series because the books aren't
as as much as long like each books like about
six six hours or reading.

Speaker 1 (01:28:26):
But isn't that like the thing that links all his
universes pretty much? I don't, I know. I didn't watch
the Address Album movie. Maybe I it was awful. I
heard it was just easter eggs to Stephen King, I want,
I want to. They even made the comic book series
of it too, and I was like, okay, well at
least I can read the combook series, and if it's
the same script, I might get the comic books, so
I'm not reading as much.

Speaker 2 (01:28:45):
Yeah, well that was the good thing is like the
movie to keep uh I got off screen of there.
But the book if you ever think about reading the book,
don't read the book. Just read the comic. It is
the book, and it's it's like literally it's exactly.

Speaker 1 (01:28:57):
I noticed they did that for like Dune recently, there's
my annotation of Dune that is just like illustrated, so
it's easier to follow.

Speaker 2 (01:29:04):
I guess I want to try the Hate Breed uhh
now heat Breed Night Breed uh comics series.

Speaker 1 (01:29:09):
Yeah, because there's one where they cross over hell Reser, I.

Speaker 2 (01:29:12):
Think, well, and raw Head Rex even shows up, yeah yeah,
which he does not look anything like the movie, not
at all look awesome.

Speaker 1 (01:29:21):
No, he does not look awesome.

Speaker 2 (01:29:22):
He looks fucking weird.

Speaker 1 (01:29:25):
But yeah, so yeah, he tells him that needs to
be paid, and he warns him. He's like, you gotta
like help that girl because these vampires will come after
them exactly, And I love this is one of my
favorite lines where he goes why me and just goes
ship man, why me? I was my business when you
walked into my kitchen. I'm still on the Yeah. I
was like, that's a good fuck, It's pretty good. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:29:47):
Uh So he ends up, uh, he ends up agreeing,
and he ends up going to Billy for help, and
he's like, because here's the thing is, Billy has some
of the shine in the book, he had the shine
in the movie. He has a shine.

Speaker 1 (01:30:01):
Yeah, but he's not aware. He's one of the people
who aren't aware of it. Yeah. Uh.

Speaker 2 (01:30:04):
And there's a whole subplot where Billy has stomach cancer.
Yeah yeah, that's obviously scrapped whatever. But he ends up
convincing Billy to help him. He's like, listening, I know
this is gonna sound crazy, but I think you're gonna
believe me.

Speaker 1 (01:30:17):
Yeah. Uh.

Speaker 2 (01:30:17):
So Billy gends up taking him to wherever they need
to go, to the factory, the chemical factory whatever. Abra
helps show them where it's at, and they find the
little Boy.

Speaker 1 (01:30:28):
We've got to mention the the movie like moves this
timeline around. In the book, he's been dead for years. Yeah,
so the movie he's like freshly dead. And that's why
they think them out there like throwing up and shit. Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:30:40):
They they go down there, they pick up the little
Boy's glove and uh. They end up making their way
back and Danny Basic explains to Abra, listen, you do
your parents know you need to tell you need.

Speaker 1 (01:30:52):
To tell them we're coming back. And at this point,
I think her mom.

Speaker 2 (01:30:55):
Has already left to go visit the grand mama or what.

Speaker 1 (01:30:57):
Moo, and she has like is she gonna be okay,
and like average, Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:31:02):
Because that's that's a big thing, because that's it's said.
She's always known that Momo is gonna pull through, and
this is the one time she's like, I don't know,
you know, yeah, but yeah. So they are coming on
their way back to average place and she tells her dad,
but she doesn't actually show him, and I like.

Speaker 1 (01:31:19):
The dad just because he assumes it's to catch a bread,
he starts beating the ship out and him was like, no, ever,
you have to actually show him.

Speaker 2 (01:31:26):
He doesn't understand, which so okay, she shows them and
they go sit back and they start talking and he's,
you know, he's drinking. He asked him if they want.

Speaker 1 (01:31:34):
To Drenk like, no, we're good. He's just like shaking
with the I like the dad. I wish she would have.

Speaker 2 (01:31:41):
Well, that's the thing is in theatric cut, it cuts
straight to okay, what do we need to do and
him shaking. But then in the in the if you
haven't seen the director said the director's cut, Abra shows
them murdering the boy.

Speaker 1 (01:31:54):
Yeah that's not in the theatric cut. Yeah, yeah, that's rough. Yeah, yeah,
she like plays more for him like a playback Leary. Yeah,
and he realizes that, like, oh shit, they're right, and
now these people are coming after my daughter.

Speaker 2 (01:32:07):
Yeah, so they're what they're gonna do is they're going
to try to lure her. They're going to come up
with a plan. They don't explain what the plan is.

Speaker 1 (01:32:13):
Yeah, but he makes a point to look at the
rabbit on her bed. Yeah, I got an idea. We're
going to do a trick. And then she's like a
magic trick exactly.

Speaker 2 (01:32:21):
So she ends up, Uh, they end up basically luring
them into like a camp spot or whatever, which, yes,
which makes sense because they're all there, are traveling on
and this this is the point. This is the heavy here,
this is the fork in the road.

Speaker 1 (01:32:35):
This is the fore where it actually officially, I mean
some of this happens in the book, but like it
super splits off.

Speaker 2 (01:32:42):
Yeah, it's a big change from the book.

Speaker 1 (01:32:45):
So this one, like they're all there except for Crow
and Rose, which even in the book they were like Rose,
you got to stay behind exactly because she's the one
who's head that she went into. She's like she might
be able to sense you coming. You need to stay exactly,
And I like that she He like tells Rose like,
by the way, we got like a news story about
an earthquake that happened on one block, and that's how
they figure out where she is.

Speaker 2 (01:33:05):
Which is not in the movie.

Speaker 1 (01:33:06):
It was not either, it was it so they oh, yeah,
that explains how they found them. Yeah, yeah, because one
of her episodes shook exactly. So yeah, the true notot
comes out. They go to uh, stab her with the
syringe because she's just sitting there all quiet, yeah, and
they hit her, and they realized she was projecting herself
like she because the rabbit had a connection to her,

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she was able to project herself. So they just stab
a rabbit with syringe and they're like, oh no, what's
this all about? And then Danny and Billy just start
blowing them away. Yeah, the chunks like fucking parlor tricks
and it takes a chest, but I like that Rose
feels it all. She's like, oh no, you gotta get
out of here. This is a trick.

Speaker 2 (01:33:47):
Oh it's great. And they just start taking them off
one by one and they just disappear, which is another
kind of cardy thing, is like, okay, we murdered a
bunch of people, but there's no bodies left.

Speaker 1 (01:33:56):
That's why there's so it's so hard to prove because
they all just disappeared exactly. But Andy's the last one left.

Speaker 2 (01:34:02):
Oh my god, this the bit this scene pissed after
I found out, like Billy doesn't die in the book,
I'm like, but it is heavy, so it makes sense
for good, it makes sense.

Speaker 1 (01:34:11):
For the movie. But yeah, and especially since they were
changing the end ding. Yeah, but yeah, Andy's a strong
enough to knock Danny out. Yeah, but like, uh, how
do they get the one? Yeah, Billy shoots her.

Speaker 2 (01:34:24):
So she's already been shot and that showed her. Yeah,
let's call it.

Speaker 1 (01:34:26):
Uh.

Speaker 2 (01:34:27):
And then she comes out and uh, Andie's about to
shoot uh sorry, Danny's about to shoot her, but he's
out of bullets. Yeah, and that's when she not she.

Speaker 1 (01:34:33):
Was able to like knock him out. And then Billy
gets a shot off on her in the book like
her whole fate he like he said, with like the
gun and her jaws like broken. Yeah, but no, this
one he shoots her. She's down. Uh. But then one
last thing before she goes, she's like kill yourself and
like Billy can't like stop and just blows.

Speaker 2 (01:34:52):
Oh my god, that's Oh that's such a heavy scene.

Speaker 1 (01:34:55):
Yeah, and I think I guess they need it Danny
at this point to have like a personal loss.

Speaker 2 (01:34:59):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:34:59):
And also only we.

Speaker 2 (01:35:00):
Got too many characters we need to get rid of
for the story to continue.

Speaker 1 (01:35:03):
So yeah, yeah, again makes more. It works a little
bit better in the book. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:35:06):
And then this is when we get Abra. It's like
the crow's out there, where's the crow? Where's the crow?

Speaker 1 (01:35:11):
And then her dad like she gets taken. Uh. He
like hits her with the syringe because she was using
her power so she wasn't able to tell uh. And
then he kills the dad. We never see him kill
the dad, but we just see him on the floor.

Speaker 2 (01:35:24):
So her dad doesn't even show up in the theatrical cut.

Speaker 1 (01:35:26):
I think they just cut to him on the floor.
I actually like that better in the theatrical cut, yeah,
because the director's cut it's like, oh, he just leaves
that room, yeah, and then he comes back with a knife,
like where the fuck did he god? Yeah, shit or something.
I like it better than the theatrical where he's suddenly
gone and then you just seem.

Speaker 2 (01:35:40):
Like he could have killed him before he got to
Abra makes more sense than yah.

Speaker 1 (01:35:44):
Yeah. Yeah, that's the one thing I would have changed. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:35:47):
So Danny is upset obviously, and he needs to go
uh uh. He he knows that she's taken, and he
goes back to his place and he's thinking about drinking
because he's thought that she's gone, you know. But then
he's like he's gonna take a sip, but he ends

(01:36:08):
up throwing the glass bottle down, shattering everywhere, and he's like, no, no,
they said it's like a radio. Okay, just tune into
the right channel.

Speaker 1 (01:36:15):
And this is when he's like really using the shining
he hasn't actually used it too much.

Speaker 2 (01:36:19):
And this is when he asks for Tony's help, Yes,
which is not in I can't remember. I don't even
think that lines in the theatrical cut either. Yeah, it's
so weird the things that are not in the theatrical
It's like using these kind of movies and stuff that's
missing or like, okay, this scene went on a little
bit more, this scene on all these are like mid
cuts that Mike's taking off to it. I guess it's

(01:36:40):
not three hours long.

Speaker 1 (01:36:42):
He's like trimming here and there as much as Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:36:45):
But he's able to find Abra. She's she's she's drug,
but he's able to find her. He's in she's in
the back.

Speaker 1 (01:36:50):
Seat of crow Daddy's truck. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:36:53):
I love this scene. Yeah, seems great.

Speaker 1 (01:36:54):
I do like Crow Daddy's got the old Civil War
gun show. How old he's old.

Speaker 2 (01:36:59):
Yeah, they said there's a lot of things throughout the
movie that they placed to let you know that how
old they are. But to be honest, unless you watch that,
like insert, it's kind of hard to see those things. Yeah,
pay attention to them. Yeah, unless you're trying to like
literally analyze the book always wow.

Speaker 1 (01:37:14):
Sorry, uh yeah. So I like that she's talking to
him first and he's he's like, yeah, your dad died
and all my friends died and the result was the same,
So everyone just died for no reason exactly, and it's
like that's wrong. But I like when Danny goes into her.
Oh yeah, this is great. And I like that the
Crow to like doesn't know what's going on right away.

(01:37:34):
I mean this part is kind of like the book.
The Crow does like kidnap her, but they candense it
down all.

Speaker 2 (01:37:39):
Yeah, and then and Billy's there too, which Billy's not
here because he's.

Speaker 1 (01:37:42):
Holding Billy hostage to keep her in line while also
drugging her. But yeah, I like that. Uh, she's like
in Danny's voice, She's like, man, I feel like hung
over and I don't miss it. The Crow's like, why
going ten? What the fuck are you're talking about? But
eventually catches on. He's like, are you the why? He's like, yeah,
I call your friends.

Speaker 2 (01:38:00):
Here's a crazy thing this whole time that even though
Danny's been shining him and helping him, nobody knows about
Danny at all.

Speaker 1 (01:38:06):
Well, he's hidden it for so many years.

Speaker 2 (01:38:07):
But I'm thinking, even though he's currently using it to
help her, Yeah, I guess he's technically not shining when
they're they're too busy looking at her to notice. I
guess another person shining.

Speaker 1 (01:38:18):
Well, he's like, she's sending messages to him, and she's
reading his mess He's actually she could just see like
what his board is saying and everything. So so yeah,
this is the first time he's like really using it.
I love this scene because he was using it for
subtle things like I know where your watches, which they're
probably not picking up on that. Yeah. Yeah, they're not

(01:38:38):
even really looking for adults anyway.

Speaker 2 (01:38:40):
Which and also this scene right here is Danny's never
even done this power before.

Speaker 1 (01:38:44):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:38:44):
Uh, And he's projecting himself into Abra.

Speaker 1 (01:38:48):
He knows that aber can do it, so he thinks
putting himself in her when they were able to do it.
I do like the book mentions that there was a
point in the past with that you're not past Danny
like in the eighties. A. Yeah, I had no idea.
So he's actually interacted with them before, Yeah, no idea.

Speaker 2 (01:39:02):
But yeah, this is a great scene where basically she's like,
I learned a new trick. You want to see another trick.
And she's like, you know, arrogance is your downfall. You know,
you think you're gonna live forever, so it makes sense
that you didn't buckle your seat belt.

Speaker 1 (01:39:16):
And then he goes out through the window.

Speaker 2 (01:39:20):
It's great, and he like and then he starts to
cycle and stuff like that. Oh my god, this scene was.
I like this so much.

Speaker 1 (01:39:26):
Better than the book.

Speaker 2 (01:39:27):
And she's a little dark and shoots him in the head, right,
isn't that what happens?

Speaker 1 (01:39:30):
I think so, But this is a little dark hair
where she's like you deserve this.

Speaker 2 (01:39:33):
Yeah, well this isn't They kind of set it up
too to where like they'd say, he got some dark
can you. Yeah, And she's almost like she's like enjoying
him dying.

Speaker 1 (01:39:42):
Yeah, and I know that in the book version, that's
because she's related to Jack. It's like, also, she could
just be a human humans that she doesn't have to
be related to fucking Jack.

Speaker 2 (01:39:53):
So she ends up. So she ends up staying up
in like a hotel or whatever.

Speaker 1 (01:39:58):
Before that, she runs into Rows on the road. Oh,
he's psychic visioned road. She walks right past. And I
think this is when like Rose starts like eating all
the cattle because everyone's dead. Just super charged. Yeah, she's
taking a bunch of inzu veins. Another dragon ball Z reference.
She's the power level of nine thousand.

Speaker 2 (01:40:15):
Yeah. But yeah, So she ends up going to a hotel.
Danny comes picking her up and there coming up Dadia.
He's like, you know what, I have a place where
it eats people like this. We're going to lure her
there and we're gonna end this once and for all.

Speaker 1 (01:40:28):
Yeah, which is the overlook, which I mean, the ghost
are in his head. Couldn't just release them? Anywhere. Yeah.
And that's another thing is like, I guess the overlook
makes them more powerful because that's where they were.

Speaker 2 (01:40:38):
And the thing is the ghost are in his head
and he's locked him up in my head him like,
when do you have to constantly using your shine to
keep them locked up?

Speaker 1 (01:40:44):
I guess there's a way you don't have to, pilot.
I did like that. There's two moments where the one
girl says like, am I human? She goes, do you care?

Speaker 2 (01:40:51):
Oh?

Speaker 1 (01:40:52):
Yes, He's like, what happens to them in the box?
Do they die? He's like, do you care? Yeah? It's great. Yeah,
but yeah. So in this version, the over look is
still exists, and it was actually funny because in the
book it's burnt down, but like the true not unbeknownst
to them. Their campground is on the overlook.

Speaker 2 (01:41:08):
Yeah, it's just like a campground.

Speaker 1 (01:41:10):
And then there's like a bar, yes, And then they
go to a part on top of the overload, top
of the world. It's like that little lookout that they made,
so they don't even know that they're on the campground
and the overlook. It really the overlook whole thing doesn't
really playing into it too much unless he does release
some of the ghosts, and one of them runs into
Horace del We're the guy who shot him. So yeah,
but I don't even know if he attacks them. I

(01:41:31):
think the ghosts are just there.

Speaker 2 (01:41:32):
So also, like for the people who haven't read the book,
let's call it technically around this time there was this.
So the reason we said that the not all the
ghosts died at the campgrounds.

Speaker 1 (01:41:45):
They're at this They're at the Overlook.

Speaker 2 (01:41:47):
Campgrounds, and they take a visit to see Momo. Yes,
and they take her cancer.

Speaker 1 (01:41:53):
Yeah, they take her like Redish does the red Steam,
and they like unleash it onto all them. So they
but yeah, they inhale her death and they all die exactly.
So that's how they kill all the true not except
for Roads. Yeah, so they simplified it here. But yeah,
So they go to the Overlook Hotel and I like that.
He's like, you're gonna stay outside until I absolutely need
you in there, and she's like, what am I gonna do.

(01:42:14):
He's like, I gotta wake it up. Yeah. Yeah, so
he goes in. He wakes up the other No one
has ransacked this place, no one has taken anything in there.
I don't know why they just left it.

Speaker 2 (01:42:23):
Up there, I'm guessing because it's the Haunted.

Speaker 1 (01:42:25):
And also they did mention in the movie that they're like, yeah,
it'll cost a fortune to plow the roads, and like
I guess after the millionth murder at the Overlooked or like,
it just costs more than it's worth, like until they
make a major highway, there's no point in having this series.

Speaker 2 (01:42:39):
Well, yeah, because you got to think of like if
you're if like say, if you tore it down, you
know how long of those trips you have to take
back and forth with dump trucks and stuff like that
to tear it down.

Speaker 1 (01:42:46):
Yeah, just leave it there, I guess.

Speaker 2 (01:42:47):
Also because like maybe the because legal reasons and stuff
like that.

Speaker 1 (01:42:50):
Maybe Also I figure, like enough windows would have broke
just the animals all over that place. They don't run
into like a single like fox or like raccoon, Yeah,
raccoons up. The bats would be hanging on the ceiling.

Speaker 2 (01:43:04):
So Danny tells her, I gotta wake it up. He
goes inside, He goes to the boiler, turns it on.

Speaker 1 (01:43:10):
Yes, which we finally get a payoff because one of
the things with the original Shining movie, I don't know
when they decided in the production that movie to change
the ending. But they have a whole scene in the
Shining where they show the setup to the boiler. Even
if you read the book, you know what the boiler
leads to. Yeah, and then that movie never pays off.
So here a million years later, we're finally going to

(01:43:33):
get the payoff to the boilers set up. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:43:35):
So he gets the whole boiler. He starts turning it
on and stuff like that, which gives the overlooked energy
and stuff.

Speaker 1 (01:43:43):
I mean not only just heat, but he's turning the
power on, but also it starts to feed off him.

Speaker 2 (01:43:47):
And it's also you can see the overlooks starting to
change as he like he goes in the ballroom and
it starts goes from deteriorating to it new again.

Speaker 1 (01:43:55):
Yeah, which is very cool. Yeah, he stops by the
bar and means the new Lloyd. The new Lloyd who
is Jack this time played by Henry Thomas. Yeah from
eight does a good job. But like it does, out
of all the other characters, he looks the most where
he's just in a costume. Yeah, it doesn't. I never
really thought that he was Shagnas and I appreciate it
more than d H. Jack Ninson. Uh. But yeah, he

(01:44:19):
has a scene similar to Lloyd, but he's smart enough
to know what's going on.

Speaker 2 (01:44:22):
Yeah, and he's talking to him like because he sees
he's being Lloyd. But he's like, he's like he sees
his dad. Yeah, he sees his dad. He knows that
he overlooks up to its old tricks. And granted the
Overlook's been asleep so it's not really on. Its a
game here, so they're like, yeah, make it look at
his dad and get him to drink alcohol. It's like,
I don't think it's working. I keep doing it. Yeah,
because that's a big part of the book is the

(01:44:43):
book is the Overlook possesses him. Uh and and like
he actually is like he's drunk, but it's it's like
he never really drank.

Speaker 1 (01:44:53):
It's just the over gives into the Overlooks darkness. Yeah.
But yeah, this is the Overlooked using his dad to
like bring him in. It's trying to use the same
tricks on him. But Danny's not falling for it.

Speaker 2 (01:45:04):
No, not at all. And that's another thing. Is another
scene that's I keep on saying this, I'll repeat, but
that's not in the movie.

Speaker 1 (01:45:11):
Oh no, that's not the bathroom Stone. Oh yeah, they
extend it more. Yeah. I do like the scene though,
where he the Overlook is doing the whole thing, pretending
to be Lloyd and he tells me. He's like, yeah,
so we lived in Florida. He's like, don't you want
to know how to your wife? She died. But it
shows that like the Overlook one, it got Dan, it
got Jack Torrens. Yeah, Jack Torrens is like one hundred percent,

(01:45:32):
but it never went back to haunt Danny. I guess. Uh. So,
like he is like in on the plane, like he's
completely lost, whereas the book version there is a cameo
of Jack at the very end where he's spirit because
he redeemed.

Speaker 2 (01:45:45):
Himself at the end of the um he helps him
at the end.

Speaker 1 (01:45:48):
Yes, yes, I mean he like you. There is a
bit of a cameo there where this is is like,
this is the dark version Jack lost?

Speaker 2 (01:45:54):
Yeah, and the and the at the end of the book,
basically Rose Heck gets pushed off a ledge.

Speaker 1 (01:45:59):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:46:00):
Uh and there they he said he felt a third
figure up there and it was Jack who gives the
extra push.

Speaker 1 (01:46:06):
But I like that he's doing the whole bartender thing,
but like for one shot he's Evil Jack from the
Shining with the messed up hair. Yeah, and then he
goes right back to being the bar tanker. But you're right,
they do extend it where they do the bathroom scene
and then he's in the same wardrobe as they say. Yeah,
does the usher or whatever he was like changing, you know,
because what's his face, mister Grady. Yeah, was the caretaker,

(01:46:26):
but then he was suddenly so I guess they just
keep recruiting people for different role pretty much. Yeah, but yeah,
he ends up turning his dad down. He turns the
overlook down. Yep. Uh, because he's got other things to
do now. He's like, all right, well I tried dad.

Speaker 2 (01:46:42):
Because they keep but he keeps on convincing, like listen,
you you don't owe her nothing. Yeah, you don't owe
her anything. All you need, dude, is just let her
in here and then just leave her alone.

Speaker 1 (01:46:50):
Yeah. You know what I mean, We'll do the rest.

Speaker 2 (01:46:51):
You don't have to do anything, Yeah, which is like,
you know, obviously it's it's clear he's not going to
do that. Uh.

Speaker 1 (01:46:57):
Well, I mean he did leave a kid alone. We
saw how that worked out. Yeah, so he's not doing
that again.

Speaker 2 (01:47:02):
The bathroom scene kind of makes you think that he's
contemplating it. Yeah, but you take the bathroom scene out,
it's clear as day he's not contemplating at all. So
he while he's in the bathroom, he gets a yelle
from uh Abro that Rose is here, so he goes
out to get uh brings them in and they're going
to set another trap for Rose, which was really cool. Basically,

(01:47:28):
she thinks she is in Abra's mind and she's fighting.

Speaker 1 (01:47:33):
Before she gets to the mind, she takes a walk
through the overlook and she sees the elevator of Blood,
which is all done digitally.

Speaker 2 (01:47:40):
Oh really, I think it was a miniature.

Speaker 1 (01:47:42):
No, no, no, so they only actually they recycled some
footage from the original movie. A lot of it was redone,
like all the famous scenes where he's walked around having memories,
that was all reshot. The one that they recycled was
the actual helicopter footage, but they made it nighttime. Yeah,
they added snow, so they digitally layered over it. But yeah,
apparently they they took the scene and they recreated digitally

(01:48:04):
so it could be from Ros's point of view from
her angle where she is. But yeah, she sees so
I guess I guess whoever the blood elevator ghost was.
I guess that's a hard ghost to show up with Danny,
So it just stayed at the overlook. It's like, how
many times is he gonna deep be near an elevator?
I don't know how I could go on to him.
But she sees it, so she knows there's something up
with her. She's happy about it. She's she's probably run

(01:48:26):
into this ship before. That's the thing, because there are
places that shine. Yeah, yeah, elevator, I've seen that. But
this is the one thing, like how much of this
is like in the real world, because like the typewriters,
there are like no one ever. I'm pretty sure the
cops when it came and like, well, what was he typing?
That wouldn't have left the typewriter there? But is that
part of Like is the hotel making that buck? Danny

(01:48:48):
and David just has to ignore it. But yeah, she
shows up. You're right, they put her into the maze,
which doesn't exist in this even in this version, because
who would have kept up with it? Yeah? Yeah, I
like that Aber keeps coming and cutting her. Yeah, and
she grabs her and he's like, yeah, I know your mind.
She's like, wait a minute, this isn't your memory is it?

(01:49:09):
Like as it's happening, the box is slowly Oh my god,
so cool. But yeah, this is when she realizes that uh,
Danny has the shine and I like this. She's like,
how did we miss you? Yeah? That was the that
was the big thing, is like.

Speaker 2 (01:49:23):
And then now so she ends up getting uh, knocks
them out of the of the trance or the dream
or trance whatever, and she goes after Danny. Abert takes
off running and she goes to fight Danny with the
axe and he gets one good whack at her.

Speaker 1 (01:49:39):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:49:39):
She turns acts around, gets them right, the femal on
his leg.

Speaker 1 (01:49:42):
So now we know that Danny is going to die. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:49:44):
Well that's the thing, is like, help's not gonna get
there fast enough. You're gonna bleed out. Yeah, isn't ordinary.

Speaker 1 (01:49:51):
If he could find, like I guess you get down
a first aid kit from forty years ago, he'll get lucky.
But she throws them.

Speaker 2 (01:50:01):
She picks him up off the ground with the axe
and his thigh and throws him down the.

Speaker 1 (01:50:05):
And I love that shot a lot like the Jack
and White.

Speaker 2 (01:50:08):
Yeah, uh so, and she ends up taking his shine
because she's like, you know, she brings up the whole
like the pain purifies it. She starts digging her finger
in his thigh, and she starts eating his shine. And
that's when she notices. She starts to get memories his memories, yeah,
while he eats her shine. And then she gets Basically,
her curiosity gets the best of her. She's like, wait

(01:50:30):
a second, there's something else in there.

Speaker 1 (01:50:32):
Yeah. She sees the boxes and she doesn't know what
the boxes are. She assumes it's like extra power and stuff. Yeah,
uh yeah, And he's uh. She's like, what are they this?
Are they that? Are they that? And he opens up
all the boxes. He's like, no, they're starving. And she
looks over and it's all the ghosts from the Shoe.
Oh my god, and they just start feasting on her. Yes,

(01:50:52):
not all the ghosts. The skeleton people are gone. Remember
remember when Wendy just shows up next to skeleton people.
At one point in the Shining, she walks into like
the big room and it's all just skeletons.

Speaker 2 (01:51:04):
Skeleton Movie Movie.

Speaker 1 (01:51:05):
The movie version of those guys are just in the background.
They're like I we see the twins, we see Horace Delbrook,
we see Miss Massey. And then this is the moment
where I trolled Mike Flanagan and I had to get
him to respond. Do you not know about this? I
told this the one episode I did with a nostalgia
critic and cinema snob. I mentioned this. It's a clip

(01:51:26):
on my clip channel, but I'll tell her previated version here.
I was really mad dogs suit blowjob guy wasn't in
the scene. Now, some people would say it's a very
cool scene and revealed maybe someone in a dog suit
might have taken away from the fear of it. But
I was like, no, no, he was very much needed
in this. So the weekend this came out, I went
on a tie rate on Twitter. I was tagging Stephen King,

(01:51:49):
Warrener Brothers, everyone with the picture of the dog sup
blowjob guy and I'm like, why did you leave this out?
And then hashtag wear's dog suit blowjob guy and I
just would not stop tweeting people about it. That was
that was that weekend. I like, you know what for
this weekend, I'm guy who's obsessed with the dogs to
flowtop guy and I'm just gonna be a dick to

(01:52:10):
I was lest Missy these days. I was just gonna
be a dick to everyone. And the one that finally
got Mike Flanning in to respond is when I said
I was like the I'll send you the screenshot of
the tweet, but it was something along the lines of
like getting rid of the dogs who blowdup guy is
for a rasure, Michael Flanagan is excluding berries and he

(01:52:34):
actually responded. And I love Mike Flannagan because he was
so funny. He could have just kept ignoring me. He
could have blocked me, he could have I would have
settled if he just said, oh, one of the ghosts
that are in the suit, that's just him. He's just
not wearing the dog suit. I would have accepted that. Instead.
Mike Flannagan tweeted back, Oh, he's in the movie several times.

(01:52:55):
He's just below the frame and flying. He's giving everyone blowtobs.
And I'm like that t sweet, I'm like and I
think I responded like, oh man, I was just fucking
with you. That was really funny. But I can see
that and be like, who is this fucking guy tweet
even just respond to him, and I'm like that was
good enough for me. It's my one interactual like Flannagan

(01:53:17):
just saw him about the dogs.

Speaker 2 (01:53:19):
If he ever shows up to Monstermania, you'd be like
you remember that one time.

Speaker 1 (01:53:22):
Oh, I will print out the tweet. You'd like, can
you this tweet when I was a real asshole for
a weekend. I don't really bother. That's funny because me
I'm just sitting there, I'm like, that's the one ghost
that when I was a kid and saw that scene,
that was like the one ghost that stuck out to
me because I'm like, it's so different than everything you
see in the movie. Yeah, and again you find out

(01:53:44):
in the book that they had kinky sex parties. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:53:46):
It was always making like a weird like gay couple.

Speaker 1 (01:53:48):
Yeah, and he like t he like threatened see Danny
at one point. So like the movie, the mini series
does that scene, but he's wearing like a werewolf mask.
It's not as good. Yeah. Yeah, so I was such
a tick that Weigand but this is a great scene
where he unleashes all the overlook things and they her. Yeah,
so she gets a turn back on her They all

(01:54:08):
go under and they like just absorbers.

Speaker 2 (01:54:11):
I like that scene where like the the the hands
morphs underneath her skin. Yeah yeah, maybe Robby also like
the I remember the scene from like the Doctor. Uh
and uh the thing Oh yeah, yeah, he puts his
hand on his face and then it just.

Speaker 1 (01:54:27):
Yeah uh but yeah, so he they eat her and
now that they're done with her, they turn on Danny,
and Danny's like two weeks to Yeah, he can't put
him back in the box.

Speaker 2 (01:54:39):
Yeah, and they end up. So this is the part. Now,
this is the switch. This is one of the one
thing that Mike Flankin did that. This is one of
the reason, like you brought up earlier that Stephen King
likes this. There were brains. Now we're getting the Shining.

Speaker 1 (01:54:54):
Yeah. This is literally the ending of the Shining minus
Stick and Wendy. Yeahs taking the place of Danny, has
taking the place of Jack.

Speaker 2 (01:55:01):
Yeah. So Jack is going after Abra.

Speaker 1 (01:55:04):
I like that she runs into the twins. Yeah, and
uh it was it Grady that Yeah, she sees Grady Horace,
but the first one she meets are the twins. Yeah. Yeah,
and then that's when Jack, like Jack, she sees Danny
in his eyes all like, oh, he's not right, and
they make it into room two three seven.

Speaker 2 (01:55:20):
Yeah, yeah, and this is and then then her whole
little mont uh. Her monologue is Danny's monologue from.

Speaker 1 (01:55:28):
The book, Yeah, where she's like, you're wearing a false face.
That is funny because they do use some of the
dialogue from the book, like the he calls him like
a pup. He keeps saying take your medicine. Yeah. That
is a line that's repeated throughout the book multiple times.
It was never used in the movie. So seeing hearing
book dialogue in the sequel to a movie that used
none of the book dialogue is a little jarring. Yeah,

(01:55:49):
because Stephen King writes things weird sometimes and Mike Flanigan
likes the way he writes, whereas the previous movie didn't.
So like that is the one disconnect between the two.
It feels like the very much connected, but everyone's talking
a little too. Stephen kingy in the sequels like all right,
well that's when they back to back. It's like everyone
talks weird.

Speaker 2 (01:56:07):
If you most of his earlier books, he doesn't ever
use the word goosebumps.

Speaker 1 (01:56:11):
He says goose.

Speaker 2 (01:56:11):
Flesh, Like what the who the fuck says goose flesh?
I don't. I don't say I got goose flesh. Yeah,
that's fucking weird.

Speaker 1 (01:56:18):
But no, this scene, he overcomes it like Jack does.

Speaker 2 (01:56:21):
Oh, and it's great. And then she says he tells
her run.

Speaker 1 (01:56:24):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:56:24):
The one scene in the book What's Called, which is
on my favorite scene is where like he tells Danny
run and he goes, don't forget how much I love you? Yeah,
What's called? And then that's when. But in the in
the book, he uh, the hotel makes him take the
mallet and bash his brains in.

Speaker 1 (01:56:41):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:56:41):
And it's also cool too because then his face morphs
into three different faces. Each of them the monsters are
technically they take on characteristics of his face. So he's
got And so when he's talking, that's another cool thing
that this in the book, when he's talking as the hotel,
it is multiple voices. Yeah, there's a multiple voice overlay
which they brought into the movie.

Speaker 1 (01:57:01):
And don't sleep.

Speaker 2 (01:57:02):
I thought that was really cool.

Speaker 1 (01:57:03):
Yeah yeah, yeah, to actually be able to.

Speaker 2 (01:57:05):
Like hear that visually and stuff like that, that was
really really cool.

Speaker 1 (01:57:08):
But I like that he tells her to run. He
makes it the boiler and it looks like he's going
to turn off the boiler. Yeah, but he's really just
there to make sure it doesn't blow up until she
leaves exactly exactly. And then once she leaves, you see
that he just like totally submits. Yeah, we got a
nice moment where he sees his mom again.

Speaker 2 (01:57:24):
I was so, I know, I was hoping at the
end that I was like, well, maybe maybe there's a
little a little shot of Jack standing behind Wendy and
putting his hand on her shoulder or something like that.
But I'm like, I guess it would be hard for
the audience to want to see that after us portraying
Jack as being such.

Speaker 1 (01:57:42):
A Yeah, I think in movie Universe, Jack lost, Jax gone,
he's evil. Now she's not. He doesn't, you know, not
identify his Jack anymore. He's just the overlook now. Yeah,
Like they got him completely. Uh and apparently they liked
him enough. He's not even one of just the regular ghosts.
He's like a special ghost. He's the bartender caretake. Yeah.

(01:58:02):
So yeah, so it was nice that Wendy was there
because he's like, I didn't get the look at my
mom when she died. She was covered in flies, and
now I get to like see her. Uh. Yeah. It's
a really nice moment where like he like disappears, the
kid comes in, and then the building burns down and
at first we don't know what's going on. And then
we see Avra talking to Danny. I knew you'd be
okay and this this and he's like, hey, use your shine,

(01:58:23):
gets shine on you crazy or whatever? Yeah, and then
we realize he's dead.

Speaker 2 (01:58:29):
Yeah, yeah, and this is so And this is a
great scene too, because Abra's mom walks in, uh, and
she's like.

Speaker 1 (01:58:35):
Who are you talking to? Oh?

Speaker 2 (01:58:36):
Nobody, But then she starts like, nope, he told me
to shine on and he She's like, no, I was
talking to Danny. Danny's okay, what's called?

Speaker 1 (01:58:45):
Uh?

Speaker 2 (01:58:45):
Dad's okay, Dad's okay. We we we And then she
says what Danny says to people that are in hospice
care to cover you know, we we we move on
from here. Yeah, like it's not just nothing. We we
we still move on, yeah, which is really reinsuring for
her mom because my mom's out.

Speaker 1 (01:59:04):
She brings up mom and her husband's name too, and
like a book version, Danny gets to live yeah, everyone
kind of gets the liver.

Speaker 2 (01:59:11):
Right, and no one really dies except for Momo. Yeah, yeah,
she's wh who dies.

Speaker 1 (01:59:15):
And because in the book the Danny, since they're related
and everything, he kind of lives to make sure that,
like Abertt, doesn't go down the path. Yeah, alcoholism and whatnot.

Speaker 2 (01:59:24):
Yeah, that was a big thing. He comes back as
she went to a party and drank.

Speaker 1 (01:59:29):
Yeah. Yeah, I didn't even like it. It's like, yeah,
we all don't like it at first. Everybody likes it.
Uh but yeah, so since they dropped that, it made
more sense for him to just die so he can
have like the whole Jack sort of ending.

Speaker 2 (01:59:42):
Yeah yeah cool, but yeah and then it ends.

Speaker 1 (01:59:44):
I do like that. The overlook is like, well, fuck,
we're just gonna latch on to this girl now. And
Miss Massey's in the dub.

Speaker 2 (01:59:50):
It starts just like the first one. It's it starts
like the movie. It ends with the movie the way
the movie kind of starts.

Speaker 1 (01:59:56):
Miss Massy's looking a little too confident, like yeah, this
one will be fine. It's like, well, no, you know,
she knows Jack you're gonna be And then a place
with midnight the stars and you the song from the movie,
the original one, and yeah it's just a great ending.

Speaker 2 (02:00:16):
Yes, solid movie, solid movie. All right, Now here's the
main question. Yeah, okay, book or movie?

Speaker 1 (02:00:22):
What do you got like? Which one do I?

Speaker 2 (02:00:27):
Which one do you prefer? Which one is better? Is
the movie better than the book? Or is the book better?

Speaker 1 (02:00:32):
Man? It's hard to tell here.

Speaker 2 (02:00:34):
I'll go you may go first. Yeah, okay, I think
the book. Sorry, I think the movie's better. I think
a lot of problems I have with the book the
movie fixes, kind of like what's a lot of problems
with Steam King had with the movie? Yeah, the Doctor
Sleeve fixes the movie.

Speaker 1 (02:00:48):
I do think I enjoy I think I enjoyed the
movie more. But I think that's tied to me being
a fan of the first film and the connection to it.
I mean, you win kind of both ways. I mean,
the book does have some goofy stuff in it, but
most Stephen King stuff has goofy stuff. And yeah, uh,
I think I enjoyed the movie more. I would reread
the Shining Book, I think good. With Doctor Sleep, I

(02:01:11):
don't think i'd ever reread Doctor Sleep.

Speaker 2 (02:01:13):
Well, if I don't know how long it's been since
you've seen or or you don't see I read Kujo
if you've ever read Kujo, but I have the book.

Speaker 1 (02:01:20):
I should. I think I tried reading it as like
a kid. I don't remember if I got through Frank
I think it was.

Speaker 2 (02:01:23):
I think Frank Todd. I think it's Frank Todd is
the is the villain, and uh Dead Zone he embodies
the dog.

Speaker 1 (02:01:30):
I do know that. Yes, the guy who kills is
very wacky, the serial killer from the Dead Zone who
kills himself. That was a good movie, Dead Zone. That's
pretty right.

Speaker 2 (02:01:38):
The only okay, so the only difference is the little
boy is actually a like sixteen year old kid. Uh,
and he has like a learning disablity, kind of like dyslexia,
but it's more like, uh, he's uh he gets stage
fright to read. Okay, And the scene is not a
ice skating scene. It is a It is a pre

(02:02:00):
prom party at a bar where everyone gets trapped in
during a lighting storm. It catches on fires like the
final destination right right right, which is much cooler than
what we got.

Speaker 1 (02:02:09):
I don't know, you wouldn't have gotten the ice has
gonna break scene, but yeah, I remember, like because in
the movie it's just rabies yeah, and in the book
they're like, no, the ghost of the guy who killed
himself in that book, his ear is like what hell?

Speaker 2 (02:02:22):
And then the movie opens in the book opens up
with a monster in the closet that he doesn't reference
at all for the rest of the book. It starts
with a monster in the closet. That's a real monster. Yeah,
and then it like the movie makes he think he
saw a monster, but in the book there's actually a
monster in the clothes. And then that's it. Like I
was like, okay, was that real?

Speaker 1 (02:02:40):
Real? Quick? Does Kujo get rabies in the book? Is
there something that dries him crazy?

Speaker 2 (02:02:43):
He still gets razy, but they say like they say that.

Speaker 1 (02:02:47):
The spirit of the killer went in used the rabies
Kujo shine and he was able to bring It's it's
like the embodiment of awful he It's like his ghost
is the embodiment of awful things.

Speaker 2 (02:02:59):
Okay, and and it's like a reincarnation of him.

Speaker 1 (02:03:03):
Okay, okay, all right, that makes sense. Then I'm still
wacky and dumb. But yeah, I enjoyed the movie version
of actually more than the book.

Speaker 2 (02:03:10):
But I like both, Like, no, they're both great. I
will say the movie gets a little. The book gets
a little longer.

Speaker 1 (02:03:16):
Do you think, like seven years from now, Mick Garrison
will do a TV version of the I should screw it?
Do the Measles? He did all of them? We want
to see ghost easels. Did he do carry too? I
know he did?

Speaker 2 (02:03:32):
If he did the Tommy Knockers and he did uh
the Shining.

Speaker 1 (02:03:37):
I don't know if he did. I don't know. I
know Tom Holland did a few. He did, uh it right, did.

Speaker 2 (02:03:47):
Tommy Tommy Wallace?

Speaker 1 (02:03:51):
Right, Tommy Lee Wallace. Tom Holland did the langolere Stevi
King is in the Stimmy King is in that movie
and in the like the Shining. I don't get it.
It's like a motherfucker you were in lagulates with the
CGI meatballs like relax. But yeah, no, I really really
love this movie. I wish more people had seen it.

(02:04:11):
Out of all the legacy sequels, it's one of the
ones I like the most because it just feels like
a sequel, try something different, keeps with the spirit of
the original, and there's not other than the advertisements and
in the beginning and a lot of the end, there's
not a lot of remember this, remember this? Yeah, at
one point you kind of forget it. It's like a
shining szegule until they get to the overlook. You're like,

(02:04:32):
oh right, the shining Yeah, uh but yeah, I enjoy it.

Speaker 2 (02:04:36):
Cool, perfect, perfect, All right, So Tony, how about you
te everybody where they can find you.

Speaker 1 (02:04:40):
You can find me at Hack the Movies on YouTube
or wherever you get your podcasts. You know, hackmovies dot com.
You find me on Patreon. Got a lot of stuff
going on on Patreon. I also do live streams on
my second channel, Hacked Movies clips and streams. I also
have a Twitch pretty much. Look up Hack the Movies.
You will find me. Unless it's ready. You'll find a
bunch of stuff about how I suck. But anything outside

(02:05:02):
of that you will find me. Uh yeah, I'll just
Hack the Movies across the board.

Speaker 2 (02:05:07):
So this episode comes out on Friday. Anything is coming Friday?
This coming up Friday? So well, what's new out? Then
you want people to check out?

Speaker 1 (02:05:15):
Well, the same day this comes out, you can join
me for another sequel. I will be doing Mission Impossible
too on my channel. That's my favorite. That's my favorite.
I think the theme of that episode is like, is
it the worst, but yet everyone's favorite.

Speaker 2 (02:05:30):
No, no, come on, he got Metallica the.

Speaker 1 (02:05:35):
Well, you know, it might be the worst Mission Impossible,
but it might also be my absolute favorite that I've
seen a million times. I'll find out on my episode.
Uh yeah, we will be doing that. We did the
first one. It's one of the first episodes of my show,
the original Mission Possible movie. But since the new one's
coming out, I wanted to like get back to doing
all those Oh yeah, so yeah, check us out. Check
out me and Angela think of Mission Impossible two by

(02:05:58):
John Wu. I wanted to ring, Oh John, it was great. Yeah,
And that's it.

Speaker 2 (02:06:03):
For today's episode, Doctor Sleep, directed by Mike Flanninggen. Thank
you for stopping by. And while you're there, if you
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(02:06:24):
a dialogue going back with fans and so forth. Be
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so stay tuned until next time. I'm Logan, I'm Tony
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