BONUS AUDIO: Nosferatu the Vampyre with Lena from The Beautiful Dead Podcast

Here is an episode of The Beautiful Dead Podcast that I was on where we talked about Werner Herzog's Nosferatu The Vampyre!
https://youtu.be/YHM9IJiGTzI?si=3yhCmST2pkLYUmf6

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
Hi everyone, Tony here with more bonus audio. This time
it is the first episode of Lina's podcast, The Beautiful
Dead Podcast that I ever did. I uploaded a other
episode recently where we did Dracula untold that one was
more recent. This is the first one I did with
her last year for the seventies Nosferatu movie directed by

(00:23):
Werner Herzog. This is a very big episode for us.
We had talked. You'll hear us tell the backstory why
we decided on this. I really love this movie and
I'm excited to have you hear me talk about it
with the lovely Lina. Please subscribe to her channel, The
Beautiful Dead podcast or wherever you get your podcasts, and yes,

(00:46):
I think you will enjoy it anyway, That's it for me.
Enjoy the episode.

Speaker 2 (01:00):
Only time I feel really alive? Do you David want blood?

Speaker 1 (01:09):
I was defined was necessity as well. If I'm part
of love with a flare, that's not the poety. I
am the monster, the breathing men with Ki. I am the.

Speaker 2 (01:32):
Good evening, my fellow vampire lovers. The sun is going down,
and you know what that means. It's time for me
to record another episode of my podcast The Beautiful Dead.
As always, I'm Lena Azari. Just go to the Beautiful
podcast The Beautiful Dead podcast on Instagram. It is October.

(01:55):
I wait all year for October. Not only that, but
I week October very seriously on this podcast because I
know this is when people are seeking out the spooky
stuff that they normally don't look for, and this is
when I get some new eyeballs and I want to
do it right. I went to honor October. Not only that,

(02:17):
but the day this episode drops, I've only been back
for a few days. I was in New Orleans, and
chances are, if we're being honest, I am probably still recovering.
If I partied as hard as I think I probably did,
considering it's the end of September, it's my favorite place

(02:37):
in the world, and it was my birthday, I am
probably still hungover. And if you're not following me on Instagram,
you would have missed all those Shenanigans, including any drunk
pictures or drunk videos that I posted. So you know
I would go join right now if I were you.
I was thinking of what can I do this year?
That's like a little bit different. I was thinking about

(03:01):
last October and I was thinking about how much has
changed in one year, which blows my mind. I have
my fourth book out, I have all these new cons
to attend, a new panel to take to those cons,
and I finally walked away from my second job, which
I never thought I would walk away from, but I

(03:22):
did it to focus more on growing my dreams and
taking all of this stuff to where I really wanted
to be. But more than that, most importantly, in the
last year, I have made truly some of the most
awesome friends. I have the coolest people around me that
I get to call friends, and that's what it hits me.

(03:43):
Why don't I bring all these cool people on my podcasts?
Like all these cool conversations that we have in private,
why don't I bring it onto the podcast and share
it with all of you. We talk about all the
things we love, books, movies, TV shows, music. Why don't
we bring this onto the podcast so all of you
can join it. So last week I had my super

(04:05):
cool friend Mark, the vampire professor and priest who knows
just as much, if not more than me about vampires.
I hope that you enjoyed our lesson because I had
so much fun to do it. But that was a
little more like going to class, right, These next four
episodes are more like sitting around with the cool kids

(04:26):
and the basement and just having some fun conversations. So
tonight we are going to start the generations discussions. We
are going to talk about our favorite vampire movies, books,
TV shows, music, broken down by decades, and tonight is
nineteen sixty to nineteen seventy nine with my favorite co

(04:49):
star from the Dark Night Rises, Tony from Hack the Movies.
And let me tell you something. When I reached out
to him and said, hey, do you want to come
on and talk about movies from the nineteen sixty to
nineteen seventy nine, Immediately he was like, yes, I want
to talk about nos Fratu the Vampire. It was like
an immediate response. So before we get to that discussion

(05:12):
about that movie in pretty much the coolest location in
the world, a location that you probably couldn't guess if
you had all night to guess. Before we get to
that recording, let's hit some honorable mentions. Okay, we already
did the hammer horror films right in August. We hit
four of them, but I will say that nineteen sixty

(05:34):
and nineteen seventy nine was like prime time for Hammer
films when we're talking about vampires, and we will probably
discuss more of those in the future, but I don't
think we need to hit those too hard. We've covered
a lot of them. I'll tell you what we need
to talk about. Nineteen seventy five brought us Salem's Lot.

(05:55):
Salem's Lot, the book was published in nineteen seventy five,
and then in nineteen seventy nine we got the mini
series which brought us pretty much like one of the
scariest scenes ever, which was the Boy in the window. Okay,
you have to remember I was young when I saw this.
It was on national television. Stuck with me to this day,

(06:17):
that boy scratching on the window, Willie. In nineteen seventy
six we got another famous vampire novel. It was published.
Now we want to see it on the screen until
the nineties, which will be next week with Jacob Gibbons.
But in nineteen seventy six the book came out, and that,

(06:37):
of course famously is Anne Rice's Interview with the Vampire.
It came out in nineteen seventy six. I found out
that she made twelve thousand dollars in advance, which was
like huge back in the time. Famously, it was her
coping with the death of her very young daughter and
trying to wrap her brain around the idea of death.

(06:59):
But considering she only got twelve thousand up front, that
is like a drop in the bucket because she would
very quickly sell like eight million copies. So I don't
think I'm alone in saying that this book changed vampires forever. Now,
those two decades also brought us Ganja and hesh Hess,

(07:20):
Franklin Jella's Dracula Martin, the Fearless Vampire Killers, which have
all been covered on this podcast, so we don't need
to hit those again. Something that I haven't covered, but
we're huge TV hits and I promise I'm going to
cover them in the future is the TV show's Dark Shadows,
which brought us Barnaby Collins Barnabus Collins and I will

(07:42):
definitely cover that in the future. And the monsters. I
don't know if a Loti you remember, but Grandpa and
Lily were vampires, so that brought vampires into living rooms
across the country. And last but not least, we got
to hit on this because it is really important, and
I'm sure we're going to talk about it more next week.
But we got this very important piece of vampire music,

(08:05):
which is Bela Logozi's Dead that came out in nineteen
seventy nine. It would really hit when the movie Hunger
came out, which is in the eighties. So we'll talk
about it next week with Jacob Gibbons. Come back next week.
But I have teased you enough. I am gonna go
ahead and get to the footage of myself and Tony
from Hack the Movies talking about the nineteen seventy nine

(08:29):
Nosfaratu the Vampire. I am drinking nos Fara Ti from
my Vampire Tea this evening to align with the discussion
we're having. I hope that you have as much fun
watching this as I had filming it. Please let me
know down below if you've only watched this because of Tony.
I'll be interested to see how many people came here

(08:51):
just for Tony, which is totally fine. I don't I'm
not offended at all, but please let me know anything
that you think that I'm met from nineteen sixty to
nineteen seventy nine, and I will see you back next week.
Who are you and what are you doing on my show?
And where have you brought me?

Speaker 1 (09:10):
You should know who I am. I am Tony. The
people who don't know you, I am Tony from Hacked
the Movies, very famous YouTuber I was. I'm there. I
hit levels of fame that you can never achieve. I
was in the Dark Knight Rises. Okay, I was also in.

Speaker 2 (09:26):
The Dark Knight Rises. Tony. We were in the same
We were in the same scene.

Speaker 1 (09:30):
Okay, then we're equally famous. Yes, from Hacked the Movies.
Talk about movies doing old inside a video store. Occasionally
I talk about vampire movies, movies with Dracula. I don't
know if you have any familiarity with that.

Speaker 2 (09:44):
I've heard the name.

Speaker 1 (09:46):
Yeah, So what movie are we talking about today?

Speaker 2 (09:48):
We're talking about Nasfaratu, the Vampire. So Tony and Lena
Lore we met each other at Monstermania a couple of
years ago. We were across we had like stared at
each other through the whole thing, and then got the
same placement the following year, and so then we started chatting.
And so when I knew I wanted to do Spooky Season,

(10:09):
I knew I wanted to have a different guest every weekend,
and because you're so famous and so respected in the
movie review community, I knew that you had to be
on the show.

Speaker 1 (10:19):
And I said, I will only do this if we
shoot it at Buffalo.

Speaker 2 (10:23):
Bill's house, in the basement.

Speaker 1 (10:25):
In the basement of Buffalo Bill's house.

Speaker 2 (10:27):
And weirdly enough, you said I wasn't allowed to tell
anybody where I was going, and I had to turn
the location off on my phone, which is weird.

Speaker 1 (10:35):
I did it, and I asked for your clothing.

Speaker 2 (10:37):
Side right, which I think is fine.

Speaker 1 (10:42):
Yes, we are filming this in Buffalo Bill's house. We are.
If you want to know more, go to Buffalo Billshouse
dot com. Perfect right. Continue.

Speaker 2 (10:49):
So I reached out to you and I said, hey,
I really want you to be on Sixties and seventies.
We're going to talk about sixties and seventies. And you
immediately said, I want to Donasfaratu. I love this movie,
which is awesome. Yes, so this is something I didn't
know about you. Yes, And I'm embarrassed to say, as
somebody who's been obsessed with vampires for forty years, I

(11:10):
had never seen this one.

Speaker 1 (11:12):
You know what, don't be worried about that I hadn't
seen this until a few years back. Yeah, it's a
movie I always knew about. I definitely saw this VHS
in video stores growing up. I never rented it. And
I like Werner Herzog. I haven't watched all his stuff,
but I enjoy like his documentary stuff and his narrative stuff.
I mean, he him and Nicholas Cage with a Bad

(11:34):
Lieutenant Portocal New Orleans is like my favorite movie, like
two thousand and nine. So he's got a very good catalog,
and I'm like, you know, I've never seen his early work.
I never seen this Nosferato remake. And it's this is
almost always streaming free or at least on a big site.
It's two versions of English and German. Yes, so yeah.

(11:59):
A few years ago I threw this baby on and
I fell in love with it right away. I there's
a there's like a cycle of movies that I will
put on at night to help me go to sleep.
This has become one of the new ones. I watched this.
I watched, like, watch most of this movie several times
a month. Yeah. It just totally nailed everything for me.

Speaker 2 (12:20):
Okay, well, this is good. I like to have people
on that make me have a different opinion than I do,
which is great.

Speaker 1 (12:26):
We can have this conversation, yes, and unfortunately you don't
have it here because you're gonna agree that it's the
greatest thing to ever come out of this. That's okay.

Speaker 2 (12:35):
So, as you said, famously, they recorded every scene in
English and then again in German, and he said the
German one is the most authentic one.

Speaker 1 (12:44):
Yes, So I don't know about every scene because there
are some most of them. Yeah, there are some scenes
where you can tell they're like, we're not doing this again,
We're just gonna dr I feel like the close ups were.

Speaker 2 (12:52):
Done to it, I said, majority. Maybe there were some
people who couldn't do both, but it looks like the
leads were able to do both. And it is filmed
in Germany, the Netherlands and Slovakia. Do you know why
they couldn't film in Romania?

Speaker 1 (13:07):
Oh my god, I read the fact last night and
I'm forgetting Yeah.

Speaker 2 (13:10):
Nikolaut to Sesku was the leader of Romania at the time.
Dictator Yeah, okay, not a good person. Thought vlad Seppish
was a hero, was like the best thing that ever
happened to Romania. Put out a postage stamp with him
with his little ugly profile. And so when they contacted

(13:30):
and said we want to come film in Romania, he said,
only if you present Dracula as a hero. You can't
do any he can't do anything bad. And they were like, yeah,
we'll just go to Slovakia. So famously he would end
up there would be a coup and the people would
turn against him, so he was executed for being a
terrible person. Yeah, that's why they couldn't film it, so

(13:51):
they had to fake Transylvania. That's funny, Yeah, yeah, yeah,
So Nasratu. The first time I watched it, and like
I do for every movie, watched it one time, just
watched it, and then the second time took my notes
and I think I texted you at one point and
was like, it's a weird one. Yeah, I'm on this ride.
I gotta stick it out. But it's not what I
expected to be. So we open on mummies.

Speaker 1 (14:14):
Yes, a Mexican, I think in Mexico.

Speaker 2 (14:18):
Yes, this guy goes down into catacombs with real mummies
and re arranges them smallest disrespectful.

Speaker 1 (14:27):
I think mummy's on display is already disrespectful.

Speaker 2 (14:30):
But he rearranged them. You got to get the shot
right no matter what. So I was like, Wow, we
are in it.

Speaker 1 (14:37):
From the get go on. The music is so good
and starting with like the Mummy and the imagery, like
I was looking at this, I'm like, oh, I love
this already.

Speaker 2 (14:45):
So I do have to give you that. The soundtrack
is wonderful.

Speaker 1 (14:48):
Yeah I will, I will some nights just put them
soundtrack on, Like it's so good, I get it. But yeah,
the Mummy thing like really unsettles you. Right from the
get go.

Speaker 2 (14:57):
I was like, oh, we're in. We're in for weird ride.
So then Lucy wakes up because in this movie, Lucy
is married to Jonathan Mina's like a tiny little side character.
He again gets left out.

Speaker 1 (15:10):
They swapped the names. Swap the names, so you were
You mentioned beforehand that like Traculi just went in the
public domain at the time, and I'm like, I feel
like he was in public domain for a while in America,
he was correct. In Europe, he had just gone into.

Speaker 2 (15:22):
The public he made it until the second that they
were allowed to use Dracula. They were like, it's go time, boys, go.

Speaker 1 (15:29):
Go go go, because famously, have you done the original Nonsperado. Yes, yeah,
the wife of brom Stoker had it like destroyed. Some
prince survive, So I get that's why. Yeah, Werne Rozog
loved the original Nonperado.

Speaker 2 (15:42):
A lot of people do. Yeah, I mean it's iconic.
We probably wouldn't have some of the films we have now.
We wouldn't have a SpongeBob episode without that happened SpongeBob?
Where would we be without Nosrato? SpongeBob wouldn't have that bit.
So Lucy wakes up, she's had a nightmare, and we

(16:02):
see that they sleep in twin beds, like okay, all right, okay,
they sleep in twin beds. And then we get some
nice music. Kitten's playing with a locket. Beautiful imagery, very artistic.
It's like watching an art piece come to life, and
you're like, okay.

Speaker 1 (16:17):
Real quick. The actress playing Lucy Yes from Possession, Yes
is another movie I finally watched recently.

Speaker 2 (16:27):
Yes, that is her, that is Yeah, she did a
phenomenal job.

Speaker 1 (16:33):
Yes, she's great in this. This character is very well
Actually maybe book version of Mina. This one's a bit
of a go getter, but more competent than most interpretations.

Speaker 2 (16:43):
She is almost a final girl.

Speaker 1 (16:45):
Yes, almost, Yeah, we'll get there. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (16:47):
So they're having breakfast. It's beautiful, it's bright, everything's in white,
so you know everything's about to go horribly wrong because
they're just too happy. So Jonathan's walking to work in
a Willy Wonka outfit. I'm pretty sure that's Willy Wonka's outfit.
And he gets to work and his boss's Wren Renfield,
who is clearly insane.

Speaker 1 (17:09):
Yes, this is a very bizarre interpretation of Actually one
of the few things I don't like.

Speaker 2 (17:15):
The giggling, which.

Speaker 1 (17:17):
When I watched this last night, I fell asleep briefly
and the giggling woke me up, and then I fell
asleep again, and then I woke up to happy Feet
to be auto played happy thing. Yes. And then I
finished the movie this morning and it again auto played
happy feet.

Speaker 2 (17:30):
I think those two go hand.

Speaker 1 (17:31):
I don't know what in the world they're like, Ah,
what could file person's watching this? What could we follow
this up with the hundreds of vampire movies we have
on two Let's feed this guy.

Speaker 2 (17:41):
Happy feed a right, So Renfield is obviously insane. They
never tell us why.

Speaker 1 (17:48):
Like the book, and we talked about this, like.

Speaker 2 (17:50):
Why what happened? Because he says to Jonathan, I have
I have something for you to do. I need you
to go to Transylvania. There's a count who wants to
buy a house here. We're going to sell him the
house around the corner from you. He's gonna pay a
shit ton of money, which you need because you're a husband.
And yeah, so we want you to go. But Renfield
says you may pay with sweat or blood, and I

(18:14):
was like, okay, so he knows Dracula's vampire.

Speaker 1 (18:16):
Yeah, And if I was Harker, I'd be like, sorry,
what did you mean by that?

Speaker 2 (18:20):
And also like, why don't we just get you a
hot bath, put you to bed, and I will run
the company because and then there's an old guy in
the back listening to the whole thing. He says nothing
is he?

Speaker 1 (18:31):
The old guy comes back at the very end of
the movie. I don't I think I might be the
same old guy.

Speaker 2 (18:35):
I don't know, because I was like, what company is this? Yeah,
so of course he's like, I have to do it
because we need the money and I want to get
my wife everything she ever needed.

Speaker 1 (18:45):
Yeah, and she doesn't want him to go.

Speaker 2 (18:46):
She doesn't want him to go, and so but she's
a good wife and she's a good woman, so she's like,
take me for a walk on the beach and then
you can go. But I have a bad feeling. Yeah, right,
And so we find out it is a four weak
trip by land because it's like all on horseback.

Speaker 1 (19:04):
Yeah, it's got to suck.

Speaker 2 (19:06):
Four. That's a lot to ask of somebody the train
or I don't know. I have a lot of questions.
But it's supposed to be eighteen fifty.

Speaker 1 (19:14):
Maybe I think so, but still I didn't look at
the years.

Speaker 2 (19:19):
Did they say, well, listen of all the things in
this movie that we should question. Yeah, all right, he's
on horseback. So he goes on horseback. She has a
bad feeling. She's like, please come back to me, and
he's like, silly woman, you're hysterical, you and your bad feelings.
Just go sit down, Crochet.

Speaker 1 (19:36):
It'll be fine. Go crochet about it.

Speaker 2 (19:39):
Correct. Yes, but he does say and this is when
we find out Mina and unnamed man are supposed to
look out for Lucy while he's gone.

Speaker 1 (19:46):
Let's call him Quincy.

Speaker 2 (19:50):
So he gets to Transylvania and he shows up in
this little tavern. He's exhausted, the horse is exhausted. The
townspeeople are so excited to see him. They are like
babbling and running around him, and they're so excited that
this new person has come into town. And he goes,
he sits, and he wants to eat, and we have

(20:11):
the classic classic scene of him saying, I'm going to
Castle Dracula, and.

Speaker 1 (20:16):
Everyone goes, no, don't do that, No, no, I know, no, no, no.
The one I really tries to get him not to go.
He tries very yeah, he has a line. He's like,
they say, there is no castle except for in the
imagination of man or something like that.

Speaker 2 (20:33):
Yes, so he said, you have to go talk to
the the I don't think we're allowed to call them
gypsies anymore. The Romany people, says, go talk to the
traveling Romany people, and they will tell you that that
castle is ruins. There's nothing up there, there's nothing for
you to go to. And he's like, I don't care.
I have to go. This is my job. Business, business, business.

(20:54):
And we find out at this point in time that
everybody in Transylvania knows of Empires. So in Germany, they're
learned men. They don't think vampires are real.

Speaker 1 (21:05):
I haven't interacted with them, correct.

Speaker 2 (21:07):
But here in this tiny village, they know vampires are real.
And the lady even comes into his room and says,
take this cross and take this book. It will tell
you everything you need to know about vampires.

Speaker 1 (21:20):
Yeah, she has like all written out, and it plays
in later effect. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (21:25):
So he's like, crazy lady, But okay, you're a nice
old lady. We're assuming the book is in Romanian, right,
Oh yeah, I guess.

Speaker 1 (21:33):
You could just read it.

Speaker 2 (21:36):
Is it in English?

Speaker 1 (21:37):
Because in English?

Speaker 2 (21:39):
But it looks very old and I assume this is
a Transylvanian book. But okay, all right. So she's like,
everything you need to know conveniently about vampires is in
this journal, in this book, and he sticks it in
his satchel for later. Oh, he reads a little bit
of it, and he was like the pish.

Speaker 1 (21:54):
Posh, which is what I would do. I mean, like
modern man, no such thing as vampires. I'll be good.

Speaker 2 (22:03):
And as always happens in these movies, the lead says, oh,
it's superstition. You guys are all looney tunes. But I'm
a learned man.

Speaker 1 (22:12):
So I don't think Jonathan called them looney tunes, but yes,
what's a looney tune?

Speaker 2 (22:17):
Yes, it's exposition on my part. So he comes the
next morning. He says, he's I have to go. I
have to go. So he tries to hire a coachman.
The coach is like, not going to happen, and he says,
we'll give me one of your horses. And the coachman's like,
I need my horses. I have nothing to give you.

Speaker 1 (22:36):
Walk the Borgo pass on foot.

Speaker 2 (22:39):
So he walks, okay, all right, sir, He's okay. So
he arrives at the castle. And when he arrives at
the castle, after like a long montage of obviously it's
been all day and then the night.

Speaker 1 (22:53):
Is this around the time where we get like the
footage of like the bats in.

Speaker 2 (22:56):
Slow motion with we get that all throughout.

Speaker 1 (22:59):
The dude that that footage is amazing. It is how
they caught that in super slow motion. That's like my
favorite thing. I thought that was.

Speaker 2 (23:06):
Part of her dream in the beginning, and then it
shows up again. It shows up throughout the that same
image with the music, and so we see him walking,
walking walking, and he comes in and it's like an
entrance into this this castle, this a state, and we
finally get to see our vampire. Good a great shot,

(23:27):
by the way, framed wonderfully, And so I'm going to
assume in this moment Jonathan is so exhausted from this trip.
And also he's you know, a modern man who has
very good manners, so he does not show any shock
at all when he sees this man doorway who's clearly

(23:48):
not human.

Speaker 1 (23:52):
But I love his little hat. The hat is great. No,
the hat is the hat is my favorite. But yeah,
so you usually yes, in drag this is where no
Sarado differs from the other Dracula stuff, both Noserados. Usually
Dracula is trying to put on like a front and
trying to be very I get like in the book

(24:12):
and whatnot, he's very old and he's deep powered at
this point. But this one. In the original he was
just a scary looking guy, but he was trying to
act normal.

Speaker 2 (24:20):
This one, he's just like, uh hi, so let's look
at Bramstoka Tracula. It's an old man. It's a little unsettling,
but you say to yourself, he's old. He has different
customs than me. Obviously, it's gonna be different here. But
this character is bald, pointy, teeth are pointy, ears too sharp,

(24:45):
very sharp, teeth long, long, like the nails are so long,
the fingers are so long. And he's like.

Speaker 1 (24:56):
He he acts like a junkie who like he needs
a fix, Like he looks like he's about to go
to sleep any second. And I did hear apparently where
in a Herzog would get Klaus riled up and get
like arguments out of him, so he would be exhausted
by the time they really started shooting because he won
it that kind of before. I don't know why he

(25:16):
wanted that kind of performance out of him.

Speaker 2 (25:19):
Well, and famously, klaus Kinski was impossible to work with.

Speaker 1 (25:22):
Oh yeah, he was an asshole, awful, just awful. Yeah,
there's an unofficial sequel to this where he did some
pretty fucked.

Speaker 2 (25:27):
Up there, right, So notoriously just an awful person and
is a.

Speaker 1 (25:31):
When your kids don't show up at your funeral, you
probably fucked up something.

Speaker 2 (25:34):
Yeah, And he made some character choices in this, Yeah,
he made some strong choices. But I just found it
so difficult to believe that Jonathan was in no way bothered.
Yeah by this person at all.

Speaker 1 (25:50):
I guess I'm used to because of the the Copola movie.
There's weird shit happening, and Jonathan's like, huh okay, I
have seen strange things so longed to get to that point.
I'm like, I think strange thing number one I would
have been like, ah right.

Speaker 2 (26:05):
But again, that's that stereotype of like the British person
who never let their manners fall by the wayside. And
so I guess that's what we're gonna say about this one.
He's exhausted, he needs to get count Tracula's signature so
he can take all this money. He's already come so far,
so maybe he's like, whatever, I'm going to entertain this weirdo.
I'm gonna get him to sign on the Dott line.

(26:25):
I'm gonna get that on here. But they sit down
to eat and Jonathan's just chomping away, like just shoving
food in his mouth and not spraught to or I'm sorry,
Dracula is just it's so deserving mouth breathing and staring
at him. I'm just like, this is the weirdest experience.

Speaker 1 (26:48):
Again, most of the time they either make him look
very charming or he's an old guy who's trying. He
knows how to act, but he physically can't make himself
look good. But this one's just like how's the food?
And I was just like, oh, there's a lot of
like the way the movie shot. There's like like very
harsh lighting on Dracula sometimes like clearly, just like a

(27:10):
spotlight that's off camera, and then like really just long
scenes with very few cuts, and it's very unsettled.

Speaker 2 (27:17):
It's extremely unsettling, but maybe that's the purpose for you
as the viewer to just be uncomfortable because it worked.
I was so uncomfortable, and then he's like pouring the wine.
So I'm like, oh, we're gonna get it. We're gonna
get the nope, yeah no line, yeah, perfect, he's pouring.
Oh and that's the other thing. He's pouring but staring
at Jonathan, not looking at what he's doing. Yeah, he's

(27:40):
just like in the biggest glass I've ever seen. It
looks like a vase. So all of a sudden, it
goes from zero to ten very quickly. Jonathan's up.

Speaker 1 (27:52):
Dracula's like bad scene of him just like going up.

Speaker 2 (27:55):
And like that escalated so fast, and Jonathan's like I'm
just gonna go to sleep. That's right, how are you sleeping?

Speaker 1 (28:06):
I guess that was him being hypnotized. Maybe I think
that's what it was.

Speaker 2 (28:10):
We're going to go with that.

Speaker 1 (28:11):
Yeah. Also, this version of Dracula no wives. I know,
couldn't get any ladies.

Speaker 2 (28:16):
But and we're going to get to this we find
out later on because the next morning. So the next morning,
Jonathan wakes up. He's still in the chair and he
wakes up and he's like, huh, that was weird, but
it's fine. It's a new day. Everything's fine. And so
he gets up and he is looking in the mirror,
but we don't see any fang marks. But the implication.

Speaker 1 (28:37):
Is that he was bit, that he was.

Speaker 2 (28:39):
Bit, so we don't see it, but we're like, assuming
he was fed on.

Speaker 1 (28:44):
He wasn't bit on the neck.

Speaker 2 (28:45):
Maybe maybe he's out.

Speaker 1 (28:49):
I don't know. I want to suggest where he bit him,
but he was bit somewhere probably.

Speaker 2 (28:53):
But he makes a point to look and you don't
see anything.

Speaker 1 (28:55):
He's probably read that from the book.

Speaker 2 (28:56):
Maybe perhaps, And he goes there's food would spread out
and he grabs a crape and he starts to tour
the castle. And this is the first time that we
see the boy, right.

Speaker 1 (29:08):
Yeah, so this castle has like ghosts. Yes, there's other
like supernatural stuff around here, and I assume there are
ghosts of previous victims.

Speaker 2 (29:15):
Oh and I missed something.

Speaker 1 (29:16):
Okay.

Speaker 2 (29:17):
The reason it escalated is because one of my favorite tropes,
he cut.

Speaker 1 (29:22):
His fingers right, and it like drove him nuts to.

Speaker 2 (29:25):
Pop that finger in his mouth.

Speaker 1 (29:27):
Yeah, very quickly. You couldn't control himself.

Speaker 2 (29:30):
He's like, oh, let me, like other.

Speaker 1 (29:33):
Other tracks would be like, oh that's great. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (29:36):
So you see it in movies all the time where
someone cuts themselves in the vampire is like, yeah, I mustn't.
I mustn't. He's like, give me that finger.

Speaker 1 (29:44):
Yeah, I need to drink out. Oh that's what he probably.

Speaker 2 (29:48):
Just it's gonna cut. It's gonna I don't know. You're
just not gonna get a lot of blood out of
a finger. But yeah, he popped it right in his mouth.
He didn't care how weird it was. He went for it.

Speaker 1 (30:00):
So he literally just said, he popped it in his mouth.
You didn't care how weird. Look too good.

Speaker 2 (30:07):
I know what I said. What I said, the whole
thing is so weird.

Speaker 1 (30:10):
Put that out of context.

Speaker 2 (30:12):
So this might okay, you know your viewers are.

Speaker 1 (30:16):
Gonna all right, keep going.

Speaker 2 (30:19):
AnyWho, So this is where we start to recognize that
the castle is actually not there. No, it's because there's
a shot of the sun on ruins. So he's walking
around ruins seeing a full castle. And does that mean
the food is in real like.

Speaker 1 (30:36):
I guess so, yeah, it's part of it. I feel
like cople actually took this idea for his movie, where
like the dragon vampires are so unnatural they can affect
reality around them, but also like Dragon's powers, like he's
like making this loose.

Speaker 2 (30:49):
He's already in his head.

Speaker 1 (30:51):
Yeah, yeah, he enter his world, his like domain, and
he has like he can manipulate things.

Speaker 2 (30:57):
And create, which I like it. I'm here for.

Speaker 1 (31:00):
And that's maybe that's why he's spending so much of
his power making it look like there's a mansion. And
he doesn't happen enough.

Speaker 2 (31:06):
He doesn't have power.

Speaker 1 (31:07):
He doesn't power for manners or to give himself like hair,
just kid to pay.

Speaker 2 (31:17):
So this is when we see the fiddling boy, the
romany boy that we come to realize as a ghost
because we see him, Jonathan doesn't see him. Jonathan here
is the music. So that's the indication to us that
this is a ghost. Ghosts are roaming the castle that
doesn't exist. We assume this is a victim, a previous victim.

Speaker 1 (31:35):
That's what I would, thank you.

Speaker 2 (31:36):
Yeah, but I saw that and I thought of Lestat
and the Gypsy. Yeah. So yeah, So as he is
walking around and we realize that there's ghosts, we realize
the castle is actually ruins, just like the Romani people
tried to tell him. Jonathan starts writing in his journal
because he's saying, there's no postal service, so I want

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to keep track of every thing that's happened so that
when I get back, Lucy, you can read everything that
I've been.

Speaker 1 (32:05):
Yes, but that is actually something from the book where
they get all their journals together, Lucy compiled or not,
Nina compiles all the journals. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (32:14):
Yeah, that's one of the things I love about the book.
And I forgot to say that when Jonathan falls asleep
after having his finger sucked on, Lucy again wakes up
from a nightmare because she's got a bad feeling and
there's a bat like crawling around on the curtain.

Speaker 1 (32:27):
Yeah, so she.

Speaker 2 (32:29):
Just she's like, she just lays there.

Speaker 1 (32:32):
He has some control over animals. I don't know what
his range is, but but I'm.

Speaker 2 (32:36):
Thinking that that is just something is happening in her
world because she's so connected to Jonathan. Yeah, that she's
like seeing almost images of what's happening to him.

Speaker 1 (32:47):
Yeah, they're not do the reincarnated lover thing.

Speaker 2 (32:49):
No they don't.

Speaker 1 (32:50):
Yeah, it's weird that she has like all these like
visions and.

Speaker 2 (32:53):
She has feelings, she has visions, So maybe she's so
connected to Jonathan. They're so connected to each other that
she's like sensing what he's going through. So he's written
in his journal and that night he's presenting the papers
to Dracula, and Dracula whines a little bit about how
lonely eternity is. Blah blah blah blah blah. That's one

(33:13):
of the trophes I hate is when vampires whine about
but eternity is so sad and so long and so boring, and.

Speaker 1 (33:21):
Really, I mean, I guess, yeah, So I brought this
up with my bram slogs. Tracula, I guess it would
suck if you have the rule where you need to
be with your soil. It's like you can't like fucking
go and he got turned so long ago, where like
long distance travel was impossible. It's like, well, where am
I going to go? So like I feel like even
in the book, like Civilization got to a point where

(33:42):
Dracula physically can go. Other plays like this is the
first time.

Speaker 2 (33:47):
And also who's going to hang out with him? Because
everybody knows what he is? He can't find it, so he,
I guess, is very very alone. And this is one
of the things we talked about with the book, is
like Dracula would have been doing the cooking and anything
in the house because there was no service. There was nothing.
There's just people filling boxes with dirt.

Speaker 1 (34:03):
He had the brides, that's true. He had the brides,
and yeah, you're right, he did other romani that he
didn't eat. He probably like them, like golden stuff. He's like, hey,
can you like cook a chicken? I don't know how
to do it.

Speaker 2 (34:13):
Cook chicken, fill that box with dirt and then roast
a chicken. It's not that complicated. So as he's doing that,
he's pulling stuff out and the locket comes out. This
is the locket that we saw the kittens playing with.
Yes and he snatches that locket up seese his and
immediately is like, give me that paper, give me that paper,

(34:36):
and John, you want to talk money, and he's like, no, no, no,
whatever it is, it's fine. Yeah, whatever has nothing to
do with your hot wife. Give me that paper. And
then he even says, and I'm living right around the
corner from you and your hot wife, right right around
the corner, right, give me that paper. He's like, way
too eager.

Speaker 1 (34:55):
Yeah, we're not home a lot, don't visit exactly.

Speaker 2 (35:01):
So he signs off on there and he says about Lucy,
what a lovely throat. Jonathan has to be the densest
person on earth.

Speaker 1 (35:12):
Yeah. If I get a girlfriend and someone went my
girlfriend has a lovely throat, I would have been like,
I'm sorry.

Speaker 2 (35:16):
What And I'm moving next door? Right?

Speaker 1 (35:19):
I'm like, you said you were moving next door? Okay,
we need to check listings when we get home. We
gotta get out of here, right.

Speaker 2 (35:25):
And did he write his journal and Dracula sucked on
my finger or is he never telling his wife that part.
So at this point in time, he's reading from the
Vampire Book. I don't know if he's just bored or
now he's like a little like.

Speaker 1 (35:40):
Well, now that he's seen some weird shit, he's like,
I should probably read that book.

Speaker 2 (35:43):
We'll probably go back to that book that conveniently is
in German or English. Yes, and this is interesting because
I've never seen this. The vampire sleep in soil that
is filled with the Black Death. So it's plague filled soil. Okay,
so not just the soil of his homeland, but it
has to actect in it.

Speaker 1 (36:05):
It's just him just being there. Give it plague.

Speaker 2 (36:07):
But if so, he would have wiped out Transylvania and Romania. Right,
So this is the thing where I get a little confused,
but we'll get to that. So he goes to bed,
Dracula comes in and feeds from him. Because papers have
been signed, he doesn't really need Jonathan anymore, right, so
he comes he feeds from him. Jonathan does not put
up any fight. So we're going to assume mine control.

Speaker 1 (36:27):
Yeah, and I feel like when he fell asleep he
maybe like started turning him. He's not fully.

Speaker 2 (36:32):
Turned right, well possible, so that first night when he
was fed on, maybe he's already starting to fall prey.

Speaker 1 (36:39):
Yeah, we don't know how they does he have to
drink Dracula's blood to finish it. No, if that is
the case, then they breeze past it.

Speaker 2 (36:49):
But yeah, and that's a trope I hate. I hate
when they don't do the embrace. Yeah, and the turning
in this movie is very confusing, but we will get
to that. Oh yeah, so Dracula's feeding from Jonathan. Lucy
wakes up. Oh no, she's sleepwalking. Yes, she screams out
Jonathan's name. And when she does, Dracula reacts.

Speaker 1 (37:10):
Yeah, like he I guess it's interesting. I guess whatever
feeding he's done for them has given him a psychic
link to.

Speaker 2 (37:17):
Her, kind of psychic link.

Speaker 1 (37:18):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (37:18):
So this is when we get our doctor Van Helsing character. Yea,
because he is called in to find out what is
wrong with Lucy, right, and he says it must be
a brain fever. Yes, that's a thing. That's a diagnosis.

Speaker 1 (37:30):
It's some leeches brain fever.

Speaker 2 (37:33):
From her womb, which we know makes people crazy, or
it's a brain fever.

Speaker 1 (37:37):
Obviously those are the only two things.

Speaker 2 (37:39):
Is the only two things that can afflict women at
this time.

Speaker 1 (37:41):
Every time a girlfriend was yelling at me, I'm like, yeah,
you have a brain fever.

Speaker 2 (37:45):
Let's it must be.

Speaker 1 (37:47):
Let me put a thermometer in your head. I don't
know how that works, never heard.

Speaker 2 (37:51):
That, but okay, all right. So now Jonathan's awake. He's
trapped in the castle he's been locked in. He descends
into the basement and finds Dracula in his coffin, which
he has a broken lid. Don't you didn't just find
another lid?

Speaker 1 (38:07):
I mean, like maybe maybe it like broke that day.

Speaker 2 (38:10):
Or maybe because he's never had anyone over, he never
thought about it, but like you're resting, you're vulnerable, maybe.

Speaker 1 (38:19):
Have a full well maybe his good coffins he's using for.

Speaker 2 (38:23):
The coffins are being packed up, and he's.

Speaker 1 (38:26):
Like, I'll just sleep in the travel coffin. I'll just
sleep in the bad one for now.

Speaker 2 (38:31):
Tracula moves into. So Jonathan sees Dracula move into one
of the crates that is stacked up and ready to go,
so he takes off on the wagon. Jonathan's trapped, so.

Speaker 1 (38:42):
He figures out a way, so he goes.

Speaker 2 (38:45):
You know what I think is going to work because
it works in every.

Speaker 1 (38:48):
Movie, which I haven't been invented yet. But he somehow
knows it's.

Speaker 2 (38:51):
All together climbing scaling a wall.

Speaker 1 (38:54):
It works about as well as you'd imagine.

Speaker 2 (38:56):
All the cracks the head open. I guarantee he's broken
several bones.

Speaker 1 (39:00):
And I think the boy comes back.

Speaker 2 (39:01):
He wakes him up. Yeah, so this is where we
think maybe this is a good ghost, this is a
previous victim because he wakes Jonathan up, who absolutely has
a concussion.

Speaker 1 (39:10):
But yet somehow was able to make it back to
the Borgo Pass to the town.

Speaker 2 (39:16):
Correct. So he finds his way back. I said, the boy,
the ghost boy fiddles him awake. So now the ships
are on or the coffins are on the ship headed
for Wismar, right, Zizma. Jonathan's now in a Romany hospital
and he keeps mumbling like, don't let the Black Coffins go,

(39:36):
don't let the Black Coffins go, and spoiler they go,
oh god, too late, buddy.

Speaker 1 (39:41):
Is this where they start investigating them? Well, first they're on
a raft and that scene looked terrifying. I'm like, I
feel like that raft it's gonna tip at any moment.

Speaker 2 (39:48):
Yeah, treacherous. This is a treacherous voyage.

Speaker 1 (39:51):
YEA.

Speaker 2 (39:52):
So I realized the Black Coffin is because it has
the black death inside, not because the coffins are black.
So I caught that. The second like, oh the black
coffins because of the black death apparently is in the soil.

Speaker 1 (40:05):
Yeah, they checked the soil and the most unsettling way,
they're like, experimental earth, Can you open one and check it?
Thank god they didn't open draculas or else it would
have been like ah, but they check it. There's rats everywhere.
And then the guy puts his bare foot in there
and his shocked that he gets bait. I'm like, why
didn't you do that? I know? Oh, so if I've
been seeing like soil with rats, I would be like, oh,
don't put this on the ship. There's rats in it.

Speaker 2 (40:27):
So many rats.

Speaker 1 (40:28):
Yeah, hundreds of so many rats.

Speaker 2 (40:31):
So many I as an actress would have been like,
that's a no, I'm not doing that. And apparently they
were white rats that were dyed gray because they couldn't
get enough gray rats.

Speaker 1 (40:42):
Oh what happens.

Speaker 2 (40:43):
If you'll look, you'll see some of the rats are
like palely gray.

Speaker 1 (40:47):
Anything happen. I don't is this going to be like
the tiger from Beast Masters?

Speaker 2 (40:51):
They don't look into it. Okay, just remain happy. Don't
look don't read about what if.

Speaker 1 (40:55):
You're wondering why the black tiger is an orange tiger
and beast Master too, don't look up what happens to
the real tiger from beast Master one spoiler cats licked themselves,
so you probably shouldn't covered them in paint if you
don't know if it's toxic. If anyone you can go.

Speaker 2 (41:11):
Speaking of animal cruelty, yes, Renfield is now in an
asylum because he bit a cow.

Speaker 1 (41:16):
That's right, It's like a box of bugs.

Speaker 2 (41:19):
He's like, ah, yeah, So he's being overseen by Van
Helsing because he's the only doctor in town. I'm passing right,
And he's rambling about the blood is life, The blood
is life, we know that line. And he hears the
rustling of the sales. So he's connected to Dracula.

Speaker 1 (41:35):
Yes, somehow they've have it, just like in the books.
Somehow they have.

Speaker 2 (41:38):
A somehow there was a previous experience where Dracula. If
Dracula had access to Renfield, why didn't he just sign
the contract with Renfield?

Speaker 1 (41:49):
Why did he Michfield didn't have the contracts Renfield. Maybe
it was just like, oh yeah, he was going through Romania.

Speaker 2 (41:55):
He went through a four week voyage and then forgot
the contract.

Speaker 1 (41:59):
Maybe Renfield work for the same thing. It was like, hey,
I'm gonna go with the Romania, say if there's any
prospects and want to buy land. And someone told him
about Count Dracula and.

Speaker 2 (42:08):
He traveled four weeks just to do all a cold call.

Speaker 1 (42:12):
I guess. So well, maybe someone was like, oh, by
the way, while you're here, the guy called Count Dracula,
we don't really.

Speaker 2 (42:17):
Take If you could get him out of here, we
would really appreciate the any more counts. Yeah, if you
could take that weirdo to Germany, we would be so happy.

Speaker 1 (42:25):
The way he's been there for like five hundred years.
Can you let us know if he's having kids or
if it's the same Dracula he actually doesn't come out.
We don't know.

Speaker 2 (42:32):
Yes, yes, exactly, So Renfield, And as a nurse, I
can tell you that you get people admitted to the
hospital with the most insane backstories.

Speaker 1 (42:42):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (42:43):
So when the orderly' is like, you know the guy
that bit the cow, I'm like, that's on point, sounds
about right, sounds.

Speaker 1 (42:49):
About right, cow bighter, Yeah, I know he's five, Yeah,
I got it.

Speaker 2 (42:53):
Not that cow Bier, the other county, the other one.
It's in multiple John's in bad shape.

Speaker 1 (43:00):
Yeah, he looks he's like sweating. The makeup effect is
really good. He looks like.

Speaker 2 (43:04):
He's but he is a man. So he's like getting
his jacket on and they're saying, please don't go, you can't,
you can't travel like this. He's like, I'm a man
and my lady needs me, and he will make it
back to Germany. But don't ask any questions about how.

Speaker 1 (43:22):
Yeah, he'll just do it.

Speaker 2 (43:23):
He's gonna do it because he's a man. So on
the ship with Dracula, the plague has spread through. All
the crew is dead. We just see the guy strapped
to the steering wheel.

Speaker 1 (43:35):
Yeah, so the captain. So they've done the thing correct, yes, uh,
and he straps himself.

Speaker 2 (43:41):
So what's on what's not clear to me. I do
love how they had the ship sort of just kind
of like yeah, drift in and just kind of stop
via wall and people are like, there's nobody on that ship.
So they say that it was the plague, but we're
assuming it's a mix of the plague and the vampire
feeding on them. Well, because there is a plague there.

Speaker 1 (44:04):
Is, but I feel like that's just Dracula killing people, right,
the plague is they're wrongly thinking it's the plague, but
really it's him dreaming.

Speaker 2 (44:11):
But when you see it at the very end, like
there is a plague, so there must be a plague
that comes with him. Yeah, I don't know if the
rats follow him and the rats have the plague leg
is in these.

Speaker 1 (44:22):
Whoever survives at the end, I've all gone crazy, we learned,
except without all of them.

Speaker 2 (44:26):
But they know they're sick. Yeah, they're like, we have
caught the plague, so we're going to have one last Like,
so I'm watching this. I watched it twice because I
was like, I just feel like I missed something the
first time. And that's what I texted you, like, I
feel like I have taken drugs and I don't remember
taking drugs because that's what the movie feels.

Speaker 1 (44:43):
Yeah, ye're right, You're right. Yeah, they think it's the plague,
and I probably it's.

Speaker 2 (44:47):
A mix of it.

Speaker 1 (44:48):
It's a mix of him. Yeah, so that is.

Speaker 2 (44:51):
A bad plan on the vampire's part, because you don't
want to wipe out your food supply. I mean, he
was maybe he can't control it.

Speaker 1 (44:59):
No, no, I so we're in Herzog really wanted it
to be like this is supposed to be a sympathetic Dracula,
because like it is shown that he really can't control it,
and I think that's how they do it. Why he
looks like he's shrunk out and stuff. It's like he's
not really evil. It's just like this is what I
gotta do and I need it or I'm miserable and

(45:19):
I'm gonna die and it kind of sucks, but this
is what life is.

Speaker 2 (45:23):
Whole thing was like like a fever dream.

Speaker 1 (45:26):
And by the way, speaking of not having a Renfield,
well he has a Renfield, but like not having helpers.
When he gets to when he finally unloads, he has
to Oh I love that scene.

Speaker 2 (45:36):
We're gonna get there.

Speaker 1 (45:37):
Oh sorry, sorry, I love that made me fall in
love with the.

Speaker 2 (45:41):
Movie right there that I thought that was a fantastic choice.
But before we get there, yeah, as he's arriving, Renfield
is going insane. So I'm watching this and I was like,
if I were his nurse, I would sedate him so
hard and so fast. He is so out of control,
he's so and I was like, oh my god, please
knock him out, Please knock him out. So the whole

(46:04):
town comes to see the ship, which is great because
that's the quickest way to spread the disease. Everybody shows up,
not washing their hands or touching everything. I'm like perfect.

Speaker 1 (46:14):
And then they bring the captain in, right, yes, yeah, so.

Speaker 2 (46:17):
Then they bring the captain in. Everybody. It's like the
coolest thing to ever happen to town, apparently, because everybody
is around this plagued body.

Speaker 1 (46:25):
Which they don't know.

Speaker 2 (46:25):
Rats are everywhere they mentioned.

Speaker 1 (46:29):
They're like, oh yeah, it's probably plague. They're like plague,
and no one goes. Everyone who's been in contact with
the body should stay here. Instead, they go go home
and shut your doors, go home to all the people
who haven't been near the body yet.

Speaker 2 (46:46):
Yes, so this is when we see the scene that
you were talking about, which is Dracula's up. Thousands of
rats are fleeing off of this ship and he has
to carry his own coffin. But he doesn't like sneaky sneak.

Speaker 1 (46:59):
Yeah, he's so funny seeing the classic stereotypical nosferatu doing
like hard labor, like h and he's not great.

Speaker 2 (47:08):
It's like easy for him because he's so strong.

Speaker 1 (47:10):
I guess because it's strong, but I guess it's it's awkward.
It's awkward, but it's just like, oh, he didn't have
like levitating power. He couldn't mind control people to help him.

Speaker 2 (47:17):
He's like, ah, but the best part is he looks
like a kid that stole a cookie.

Speaker 1 (47:21):
Yeah, he's like.

Speaker 2 (47:24):
Carrying this coffin and he does it multiple times.

Speaker 1 (47:26):
He has more than one coffin running.

Speaker 2 (47:28):
I loved that scene. I do got to give you
like that scene. It's good because who's going to do it?

Speaker 1 (47:34):
Yeah, and he leaves them all over because in the
original novel they had directions to where to send the dirt,
but not here. He's like, I gotta I'll put one
coffin here or what.

Speaker 2 (47:44):
But I like, I just imagine him like he's sneaking around.

Speaker 1 (47:47):
Well, he's not really having it. He put I like that.
He puts it in one place and as he's walking
there's a cross. He's like, ah, oh.

Speaker 2 (47:53):
Yes, I just said that. There's crosses on the wall,
which he's not a fan of, but it doesn't stop
him from moving in.

Speaker 1 (47:59):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (47:59):
Yeah, So he's like, I gotta remember to get rid
of that Jonathan made it back home. Yeah he looks horrible.
The makeup is so good. He's like all sweaty and yeah,
oh he looks terrible.

Speaker 1 (48:12):
I've had some pretty bad fevers. I'm like, I felt
like that.

Speaker 2 (48:14):
Guy doesn't remember Lucy.

Speaker 1 (48:16):
Yes, and I think that's part of like the vampirism
is taking away his past.

Speaker 2 (48:21):
So Van Helsing diagnoses him as having a brain fever.

Speaker 1 (48:25):
It's very common brain fevers every thing. How are you
a nurse and you don't just run into brain fevers
every five minute.

Speaker 2 (48:33):
But Jonathan says, the sun is hurting me. Yeah, so
you're like, okay, so he's mid turn.

Speaker 1 (48:39):
Yes, he's getting there.

Speaker 2 (48:40):
He's mid turn. He's turning.

Speaker 1 (48:42):
Because then the original last Verado, the sun can kill
him because even though it is basically Dracula, they change
they didn't change it enough.

Speaker 2 (48:50):
Actually, he says, like famous vampire lore. Yeah that until
the Nosparatu movie, that was the first time a vampire
dies by sunlight. Yeah, that's the first time. So people
just think that's always been a thing. So when you
tell them, no, no, Dracula can be out in the sun.
He's not as strong, yeah, and he you know, but
he can go out if he has to. It's not

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until Nosfaratsu.

Speaker 1 (49:15):
They never explained the book. But do you think if
you drop like rice or something, tract it like I
have to count it one too.

Speaker 2 (49:20):
Yeah, we talked about this. You don't see that one
really ever. That's an old one, the rice or the
seeds or whatever. If you throw it down, they have
to stop and count it. But I think they use
that in what we do in the Shadows.

Speaker 1 (49:33):
They use it in X Files. Yea bad Blood episode.

Speaker 2 (49:35):
I love that episode.

Speaker 1 (49:38):
It really made up for the other really bad vampire
episode from season two. What was it was called? Three?
That one suck Bad Blood's great god.

Speaker 2 (49:46):
Blood is fantastic. Yeah, and the thing about them each
telling their version what happened is got used in Supernatural.

Speaker 1 (49:54):
Yeah, it's a great time, such a good thing.

Speaker 2 (49:57):
So Lucy's brushing her hair as one does when her
her husband has forgotten her and is clearly dying.

Speaker 1 (50:02):
Well, she needs more ventilation to her head to alleviate
the brain fever.

Speaker 2 (50:06):
I'm just gonna brush my hair, and we see Dracula's
shadow in the mirror, which was so cool.

Speaker 1 (50:12):
This was done really well, the shadow coming in and
then he's in the room off to this. I assumed
that that was.

Speaker 2 (50:17):
Like, that was so well done.

Speaker 1 (50:19):
Fake mirror and the actress is there and there's a
body double in the front.

Speaker 2 (50:22):
That's how it was so well done. She turns around
and he's like, I'm Dracula, and she's not, like, what
are you doing.

Speaker 1 (50:29):
In my e Get all those vampire movies.

Speaker 2 (50:32):
I'd be like, ah, everybody has such good manners. They
would never deign to not be polite. And she's like,
I know you from Jonathan's diary. So she's already read
the diary and she's like, wait a second, you're that
guy that sucked on my husband's finger and Throat's.

Speaker 1 (50:47):
Like, did I say Dracula, I meant Alu card, I
meant Phil. I'm Phil Jones filed.

Speaker 2 (50:56):
Joe Berger because it's Germany. So she says John will
not die. So I think she's on to what's going on,
but she's already determined that she'll do everything she can.

Speaker 1 (51:10):
Yeah, she's actually researching.

Speaker 2 (51:14):
Let the girls do it, just saying.

Speaker 1 (51:16):
Well, it's because queens. If Quincy was there, he would
have thinked.

Speaker 2 (51:18):
It out right, Where is Quincy? Where's Quincy?

Speaker 1 (51:21):
You were like, hey, you Europeans, let me have my
American brains.

Speaker 2 (51:25):
Say ah, now, I'm just gonna say, if only Quincy.

Speaker 1 (51:29):
I've seen this before. You guys got a Dracula ideal
because he's American.

Speaker 2 (51:33):
He starts every sentence with howdy, how there, howdy.

Speaker 1 (51:37):
Got yourself with Dracula. I'm going to take Dracula. I'm
gonna go take care of them.

Speaker 2 (51:43):
Don't you worry, little lady, because that's how American's talking.

Speaker 1 (51:47):
And then he rips off his shirt like whulle cogin
what you're doing, Quincy?

Speaker 2 (51:54):
Yeah, Quincy, all right. So Dracula again whinds about being
alive forever. This is kind of his go to whenever
he gets called out on bad behavior. He cries about
the fact that he's been alive for hundreds of years
and nobody can ever understand him. So he says, come
to me, be my ally, and it will be your

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husband's salvation. If you want your husband to live, you're
gonna come with me.

Speaker 1 (52:24):
And she should be like, because he's not going to
go well, yeah he's not. He's not really subtle. She
should be like, oh, I get it. You're gonna make
them like a Dracula and that'll be technically, I get it.
You're you're you're conning me.

Speaker 2 (52:37):
So she reveals her cross necklace.

Speaker 1 (52:39):
Yeah, she has a ball for it. I like that.
I like that she's like I like her.

Speaker 2 (52:44):
I like her a lot. And then Dracula retreats. Renfield escapes.
Is when they should have sedated him?

Speaker 1 (52:53):
Is this when they have the scene together. Yes, Tracula
couldn't look more annoyed with Rent and I feel like
that was the actor shining through. Yeah, and Klaud's being like,
oh my god, get away. Literally he literally slaps him away.

Speaker 2 (53:09):
Awful. That Renfield character is horrible, horrible. So Lucy's now
reading the vampire book that the Romani woman gave to John,
so she knows who Dracula is, she knows what he is,
and she knows what she needs to do. So she
learns if a woman pure of heart distracts him to

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miss the rooster's first crowing, then she can defeat him.
So she knows exactly what.

Speaker 1 (53:36):
She needs to do. How the lady figure that out?

Speaker 2 (53:38):
It's very specific, it's very very specific.

Speaker 1 (53:41):
If it was a lady, vampire would be like a man.

Speaker 2 (53:44):
Maybe, And what if you go through all that just
to find out you're not as pure of heart as
you thought you were. Whoops. But she's like I but
she's not all in yet.

Speaker 1 (53:56):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (53:56):
Dracula instructs Renfield travel north, and the plague felt filled
rats will follow you and spread the disease. So he's
specifically trying to spread the plague, which again I'm like,
that's your food source. It just kind of seems like
a bad idea.

Speaker 1 (54:12):
And what I think it is. I feel that so
he can get rid of some victims without If everyone's
dying at once, they're they're looking for le Yeah. I
think we figured it out.

Speaker 2 (54:20):
So there you go.

Speaker 1 (54:21):
If everyone's dying, he could pick people off and.

Speaker 2 (54:25):
Die of the plague. You're not going to notice the
twenty percent that are dying of exam.

Speaker 1 (54:29):
Because there's a group of indigain. They'll probably burn the
body so you can't investigate. I think that's what it is.
I figured it out. Again. If Quincy was there, he's like,
you better get these darn rats in the for.

Speaker 2 (54:41):
If well, if it was America, would be tuberculos. That
was what everybody dies.

Speaker 1 (54:47):
You got to put these rats of the incinerator, get
rid of them right now.

Speaker 2 (54:51):
Just shovel, like, all the rats need to go.

Speaker 1 (54:54):
Dragulars. Do that. You gotta stop regulars.

Speaker 2 (54:57):
I cannot the amount of rats. By the into the movie,
I was like, I just don't feel clean.

Speaker 1 (55:02):
Rights don't bother I mean, your yours thing. If I
was on a movie set with trained rats, I'd be fine.
If I'm in New York in the subway and a
million rats come out, I'm gonna be like and still
bother me. But I don't want to be And.

Speaker 2 (55:14):
You know watching this movie, these are disease filled rats
out of control.

Speaker 1 (55:20):
They're tracular ratscular ratulas. I tried, I tried. That's it.

Speaker 2 (55:27):
I gave you a Chancetula's there.

Speaker 1 (55:30):
That one's even better. Tratulas. Stop it.

Speaker 2 (55:33):
The town is full of rats this way, thousands and
thousands of rats. Lucy is trying to tell the men
of the town I know what to do. I know
how to save everyone. But no one's gonna listen to
her because she's a hysterical female and she has a
tiny brain.

Speaker 1 (55:47):
Yes, which has a fever.

Speaker 2 (55:48):
We learn, Yes, she shows van helsing everything. He still
doesn't believe her.

Speaker 1 (55:54):
No, you have hann Helson in this one is not
like flushed down. This is one case where they probably
didn't need to do the actual name of the character
because it is very much not Van Helsing. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (56:04):
I just imagine the writers being like, what was that
one guy's name? Yeah, yeah, name him that. So she
goes to Dracula's new house. She sees the coffins, so
she knows she's not crazy, breaks up communion wafers to
put in the soil so he can't come back to
his coffin. Mina is dead. Yeah, we never really get

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to know Mina at all.

Speaker 1 (56:26):
Yeah, no, she's barely there. She can botter.

Speaker 2 (56:30):
Mina is not dead by the plague.

Speaker 1 (56:32):
Yeah, see, this is it. I guess they caught on.
They're like, wait a minute, I'm noticing these holes.

Speaker 2 (56:38):
Brain fever.

Speaker 1 (56:40):
The brain fever must have been so hot that blood squirted. No,
it's not the brain f Lord.

Speaker 2 (56:47):
Lucy pours salt around Jonathan to protect him. So in
this world, salt will, I guess protect you from vampires. Yeah,
but it also traps him, traps him in.

Speaker 1 (56:57):
Yeah, so that is the thing. Yeah, that is the thing.
Like I've heard that vampire.

Speaker 2 (57:01):
Ghosts normally it's a ghost thing. Sometimes of which thing
there's a ghost.

Speaker 1 (57:06):
But also they did it with recently in Renfield, the
movie Renfield, they had the salt circle. So yeah, I'm
sure that's from something that's.

Speaker 2 (57:12):
A problem, like loved Renfield.

Speaker 1 (57:13):
Yeah, that was good. It was good.

Speaker 2 (57:15):
I will fight everybody.

Speaker 1 (57:16):
The thing is like, there's no like definitive vampire lower
thing because every stop it, culture has it and they
change it.

Speaker 2 (57:22):
Which is the whole point of the podcast is every
episode is a whole new universe.

Speaker 1 (57:27):
All new bro stokers. Some drunken irishman was like, I
don't know, they turned the.

Speaker 2 (57:32):
Smoke and I swear that he was like, no one's
ever going.

Speaker 1 (57:35):
To read this. I did love an interview with the
Vampire where Brad Pitt like called him just a drunken
irishman or Scott one of those drunken Irish Ye know,
there's no drunk drunken irishman. Made a bunch of show.

Speaker 2 (57:47):
Yeah yeah, yeah, that's been used many times. Have you
ever seen oh no, The Boys of County. Hell No,
highly recommend, highly recommend. It's an Irish one and it's
different and it's creative and it plays on.

Speaker 1 (58:02):
That whole Okay, cool, Yeah, you'll love it.

Speaker 2 (58:05):
So she's protecting Jonathan by pouring salt around it because
even to the very end, she is going to protect
her man.

Speaker 1 (58:10):
Yeah, she wants to actually save him.

Speaker 2 (58:12):
She lures Dracula to her, which we never understand, like
does she just be like come and get me, or
like she just knows he's gonna.

Speaker 1 (58:20):
Show because there is some kind of psychic link, she
can maybe be like come to me dry or maybe
she took the cross off to draw him in.

Speaker 2 (58:29):
Yeah, we just saw that in another one where I
think it was Horror of Dracula where she like readies
herself for bed, goes opens the doors to allow and
it goes and lays down and opens it up, And
I was like, I call that an invitation?

Speaker 1 (58:45):
That really is?

Speaker 2 (58:45):
That's an invitation?

Speaker 1 (58:46):
Really is?

Speaker 2 (58:47):
I don't want to like that's an invitation. So he
starts to feed, and she keeps him distracted so that
he doesn't hear the rooster crow. Nos Feratu has got
a handful. He is taking advantage of this moment. Yeah,
and it goes on from uncomfortablefort I mean.

Speaker 1 (59:06):
It has to because she is supposed to distract him. Also,
I guess spoiler for Midnight Mass that kind of reminds
me how the Vampire Midnight Mass got distracted and got carried.
This was so it was good. It was good, but
that was kind of the same thing where it was
distracted and it wasn't paying attention. It was like, oh shit.

Speaker 2 (59:26):
So then he kind of starts to come to and
she like pulls him back down and he's right back
at it. So she is drained, but Dracula falls to
the ground. Van Helsing arrives when he opens up the
window and the sun's there and his like eyes are
pure white and he's just like a corpse at that point.

Speaker 1 (59:45):
That was cool.

Speaker 2 (59:46):
So this is a trope I hate, which is the
fast sunrise and we see it all the time and
I understand it's for timing and all that, but the
sun is out, he turns, the eyes turned white. He
kind of falls down to the ground and Helsing shows
up and he's like maybe she was right. Yeah, maybe
it wasn't brain fever.

Speaker 1 (01:00:05):
I'm gonna go saga, and then this I'm mad.

Speaker 2 (01:00:07):
Yeah, So it gets the biggest steak. It looks like
a fence post.

Speaker 1 (01:00:13):
Where did he get that?

Speaker 2 (01:00:15):
It's comically large.

Speaker 1 (01:00:17):
But he goes upstairs and this reminds me of the
Bell Lagozi Drag where we just hear him get killed
off and he ah, but here you just hear thumb, yes, thump,
and Jonathan's like, no, I don't do that.

Speaker 2 (01:00:28):
Yeah, yeah. So at this point in time he comes
back down. We know that Lucy's dead, she has sacrificed herself.
Now Dracula is dead, but Jonathan is turned. Yes, Jonathan
is turned.

Speaker 1 (01:00:41):
And he calls whoever's alive in this town because everyone
else kind of went insane.

Speaker 2 (01:00:46):
That doctor just murdered those people upstairs.

Speaker 1 (01:00:49):
They never check.

Speaker 2 (01:00:50):
Yeah, they put him under The best is the whole
arrest scene. Why I don't arresting, We'll go get this
person he's dead. Well, at the.

Speaker 1 (01:00:57):
Very end of the movie, it turns into like a comedy. Yeah,
it was like, yeah, I've never arrestedating for We'll figure
out that. He goes like trepan Nelson goes where are
you taking He's like, I don't know the prison?

Speaker 2 (01:01:11):
What do you want me to do? I am like,
first off, the guy who's doing the arresting is about
one hundred and sevens I know.

Speaker 1 (01:01:16):
Wait and then and then Jonathan, they're like, why are
you standing in some solid it's like, oh, it's so dirty,
you should sweep it right now, sweep it right now.
And then he does. He's like, ha, but it's the
sun is up. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:01:29):
So how does Jonathan leave.

Speaker 1 (01:01:31):
Well, he's covered in all black when he rides on
the horse. Okay, I think that might be it, where
like if you cover yourself enough, like you know. That
was one of my one problem with the very first Blade.
I'm like, really, sun the.

Speaker 2 (01:01:43):
Sunk and then the visor and the advisor and everything
I was cool with, but when he was just out
in daylight with the sun black, I'm like, oh, come on, no. Yeah,
And they've used that in a lot of things.

Speaker 1 (01:01:54):
Yeah, well there's my favorite one was I stole this
for uh, what do you call mom Cup? Even though
Tracula Mummy cop could be out in the daytime. Uh.
In Fright Night two, the vampire she just has an
umbrella out. I'm like, oh, that's enough.

Speaker 2 (01:02:09):
Apparently this a lot with the umbrella.

Speaker 1 (01:02:12):
The umbrella like, oh yeah, that's how white works. Right.

Speaker 2 (01:02:16):
So there are vampires that basically die every day, like
in True Blood, like they're not getting up for anything.
But then there's vampires that can be up and as
long as they have a little umbrella, they're good.

Speaker 1 (01:02:26):
And I guess with him, he's like, oh, I'm just
wrapped all in black and I'm gonna get on.

Speaker 2 (01:02:29):
My horse, takes off, probably to the North's dead, his
wife is dead. Everybody like he is now the head vampire.

Speaker 1 (01:02:38):
Yeah, he's got to go meet Renfield.

Speaker 2 (01:02:40):
Oh my, could you imagine those two the most annoying
movie in the world, because Jonathan is just a weak character.
Renfield is terribly And I was like, oh no.

Speaker 1 (01:02:53):
Well, luckily we didn't get a follow up to that.
We got Nosperado and Venice, which is a sequel and
name only, we're Klaus Killen Fame. Well, he did some
horrible stuff, but famously he showed up with a full
head of hair and he's like, no, I'm not doing
that makeup again. They're like, oh, I guess.

Speaker 2 (01:03:09):
Even makeup artist was the only person he got along with.

Speaker 1 (01:03:12):
That's funny. Yeah, I mean, it's not the makeup's fault,
but I know.

Speaker 2 (01:03:15):
So. Did you know that Robert England based the movements
of Freddy off of this character? Yeah? I read that
last night. I was watching Night round elm Street really
and I just love to look at lore and Robert
England based the movements of Freddy on this, So go
back and watch it now.

Speaker 1 (01:03:35):
I guess I'll watch it.

Speaker 2 (01:03:36):
I guess he was like inspired by the way this
because it's inhuman. It's just like inhuman unsettling movements.

Speaker 1 (01:03:44):
Robert England's stunt double from the Alleyway scene based his
movements off the Tasmanian Devil when he went no no
scene where it's the body double running because remember she
bumps into the real Freddy put the body doubles. Like, yes,
it cracks me up. This is good, I know.

Speaker 2 (01:04:02):
So I watched it the first time, texting you like
that was a movie.

Speaker 1 (01:04:07):
Ye, But I just watch and I'm like, clearly she
loves it. It's gonna be your favorite.

Speaker 2 (01:04:12):
So then I watched it the second time so I
could take my notes because I'm taking this very seriously.
I have someone as famous as you on the podcast.
I gotta take it seriously. And still I don't get it.
So you've told do you love this movie?

Speaker 1 (01:04:26):
I love it. It's the atmosphere is where it really shines.
The story is good, it's not spelled out the best,
Like even we were kind of confused by the plague.
I think we got there and figured it out. But
it's just like it's like a really good experience to
go through. I don't know, it's just the music works,
the atmosphere works. When it isn't scary. It's oddly comedic
and entertaining with Klaus just being a fucking weirdo and.

Speaker 2 (01:04:49):
Nobody seems to care it all that he is so bizarre.

Speaker 1 (01:04:54):
And I got like I said, like, my favorite Dragon
is still the Copola movie, and I feel like he
took elements of other real good movies, and I feel
like he took the whole like unrealistic rule like nature
being all messed up.

Speaker 2 (01:05:06):
And we talked about that Coppola wanted for the laws
of physics to be suspended when the Vampire.

Speaker 1 (01:05:12):
I feel like a lot of that comes from I
like that, okay.

Speaker 2 (01:05:15):
And we did get the creatures in the night line.
Yes we didn't get the wine one, which bummed me out,
but he did say listen to them, the children of
the Night. Yeah, it's like, okay.

Speaker 1 (01:05:25):
When it comes to the seventies Dracula stuff was Dan
Curtis's Dracula in the seventies with Jack Palance yes, yes,
that one's also pretty good.

Speaker 2 (01:05:34):
Did you see Franklin Jealous years ago? That's I recently
watched it. I loved it.

Speaker 1 (01:05:40):
That's another one where we watch and I want to
watch the Christopher Lee one that's not hammer. He was
in one that wasn't right right where I think he
actually had the mustache, which is from the book. But yeah, no.
I I like the Dan Curtis one, which is actually
really cool, but no, this one is out of the
seventies draculas I've seen. This is my favorite, okay, and
I mean it. I mean it's not so much Direculo

(01:06:02):
as it is nos Faratu uh And I love the
original Nosfaratu, but like, this just has everything working for it,
and hopefully the new Nosparato wou take some elements from it.

Speaker 2 (01:06:13):
Oh, I'm gonna be there for showing. I'm very very excited.
But for me, I felt like this movie was written
and then filmed and then edited by three different people
who didn't talk to That's what it felt like to me.
It felt very disjointed. But again, I don't think people
ever expected someone to sit down and pick apart the

(01:06:37):
lore and the rules and the well I don't understand
this part and why would this be happening. You're supposed
to suspend disbelief, fall into this world and just take
it for what it is. But it did leave me
with a lot of questions. It's memorable, yeah, I'll give
it that.

Speaker 1 (01:06:52):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:06:52):
And I'm a big fan of being creative, being different.
This was a different interpretation, which good for you for
doing something different. But I couldn't get past Renfield's character.
As soon as he walked on screen, I'm like, get
this guy out here. I hated him and klaus Kinski's Yeah,
it's hard to watch because it felt so rogue. I

(01:07:19):
just felt like he was doing his own movie and
he didn't care if everyone around him was a part
of it or not.

Speaker 1 (01:07:23):
Well, I mean Dragula is supposed to be I guess, so, yes,
very different than other people. Yeah, so I guess it
works for that. I can get people not being super
into it. I mean he didn't hate it though, right,
I didn't hate it.

Speaker 2 (01:07:34):
Yeah. Yeah, And I think that any self respecting vampire
fan needs to watch this movie.

Speaker 1 (01:07:38):
It's good. It's good. It is.

Speaker 2 (01:07:40):
It's referenced in a lot of things.

Speaker 1 (01:07:41):
Great poster, by the way.

Speaker 2 (01:07:43):
Great posters, the imagery. I mean, I've seen scenes from
this many many times. Yeah, so to sit down and
watch it completely. I'm glad I did it, and I
don't know that I would have done it if you
hadn't asked to do it. It probably would have been way.

Speaker 1 (01:07:59):
Down when you said seventies vampire if it was immediately respective,
if it was this, it would have been the Dan
Kurtis one. But yes, this for sure.

Speaker 2 (01:08:06):
You didn't even breathe I want to do.

Speaker 1 (01:08:09):
I talked about this multiple I did a stream with
my friend Adam those movies where he did like vampire movies,
and I keep telling him, like, you should really check
this one out. I feel like the original might be
not up his alley, but like, you give this one
a shot. Let me know what you think. Yeah, everyone
should definitely check this one out.

Speaker 2 (01:08:24):
Yeah it is.

Speaker 1 (01:08:25):
It is.

Speaker 2 (01:08:26):
I mean, as vampires go, he is a solid evil character,
not sexy, not alluring, not seductive, just like straight evil.

Speaker 1 (01:08:37):
A bit sympathetic. If you go for like the whole
like attic thing where he's not really in control, then
he's kind of sympathetic. I feel like, but yeah, you're
like mathfucking.

Speaker 2 (01:08:50):
His motivation was to get to Lucy, and he didn't
care how many people he wiped out to do it,
and he was trying to get the husband out of
the way. So like he might say that he's just
sad and lonely, but he's calculating and everything that he's Yeah,
and even says to Renfield, like take the rats and
spread it all, so he knows exactly what he's doing.
I had no sympathy for him at all. Okay, and
I wish Lucy had made it.

Speaker 1 (01:09:12):
Yeah, it would have been good to a But I
mean it sucks because like it's like her sacrifice stop. Yeah,
it ended up not really being for much because there
was another vampire.

Speaker 2 (01:09:20):
Yeah, dark endings, So she's sacrificed for nothing.

Speaker 1 (01:09:24):
Yeah it sucks.

Speaker 2 (01:09:25):
Yeah, that's a bummer. Well tell everybody where they can
find you. I know you sit at the beginning.

Speaker 1 (01:09:30):
You can find me at Hack the Movies on YouTube
or wherever you get your podcast. You go at hackmovies
dot com. Check it out. We talked about movies new
and old, mostly pre recorded. We do some live episodes.
I do a bit of streaming. I have a second channel,
Hacked Movies clips and streams, but also Twitch. Just follow
hack the movies on everything, you will find me and

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if you become a super fan, I got a Patreon.

Speaker 2 (01:09:53):
And we will both be at monster Mania.

Speaker 1 (01:09:55):
And we will both be at Monstermanium.

Speaker 2 (01:09:57):
In close proximity.

Speaker 1 (01:09:58):
Yes, if this is the one year where they change it,
we're gonna sound like jerks on this it insists. Yeah. Yeah,
we're usually across or diagonal from each other, so yeah,
check us out a monster menion. It's gonna be a
fun time.

Speaker 2 (01:10:12):
I'm prepared. I'm gonna spit spit ball the whole thing,
especially when you're talking to fans in the most inappropriate,
unprofessional way. Well, thank you so much for doing this.
You're actually starting spooky season on the podcast.

Speaker 1 (01:10:25):
Yes? When does this come out? Early October?

Speaker 2 (01:10:27):
The first weekend of October? Yes, all my other guests
have to follow you, which, who ya, that's a.

Speaker 1 (01:10:33):
Tough Why would you sabotage him?

Speaker 2 (01:10:36):
So next week will be eighties and nineties?

Speaker 1 (01:10:38):
Nice? But yeah no, I uh yeah, we're probably going
all in on horror right now. So a lot of
my stuff isn't shot yet, so I can't tell you
what it's gonna be.

Speaker 2 (01:10:47):
Because checking of horror, we're about to throw Tony in
the well.

Speaker 1 (01:10:50):
So yes, I'm gonna have to go into the well.
Buffalo