Halloween 6: Is the Producer's Cut Better? - Hack The Movies (#422) - Hack The Movies

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Hi, everyone. Tony from Hack the Movies here and today
we're gonna talk about Halloween six the Curse of Michael Myers,
both versions of the movie, and we're gonna find out
what is the best version of Halloween six The Curse
of Michael Myers today on Hack the Movies, Apes talking talking,
talking about tapes. Hello, Joey C.

Speaker 2 (00:23):
Tony P. What's happening? We're here.

Speaker 1 (00:25):
What's happening is I forgot to turn the that to
one color and it's gonna bother me. Okay, I fixed it,
good star, I.

Speaker 2 (00:32):
Gotta I gotta lean around this.

Speaker 1 (00:34):
Season, sorry, carried away with the decoration.

Speaker 2 (00:37):
That looks nice.

Speaker 1 (00:38):
Well, it's Halloween season again and we usually kick off
those the month of October with a Halloween Review. Wow,
I was starting to run out of them, because what
have we done the last year? So we did the
Plumbhouse ones obviously, but was it a few years ago?
We did what is the best Halloween two? Okay, which
was Halloween two Halloween twenty eighteen and Rob's Hobbies Halloween two,

(01:02):
And then we did what was the Best Halloween three,
which was Halloween three, which is technically a part one
in its own universe, Halloween four, Halloween h two, oh,
and Halloween Kills. Lucky me, I got to review Halloween
Kills twice yep. And then we did what was the
best Halloween five and four? Right, yes?

Speaker 2 (01:22):
Which is Halloween five?

Speaker 1 (01:28):
Yes? Yes, well put up the timeline chart like we
usually do. So yeah, Halloween five is apart four, Halloween
Resurrection is apart four, and Halloween Ends is apart four.

Speaker 2 (01:38):
Yes, yes I did.

Speaker 1 (01:40):
Lucky me, I got to review Halloween Resurrection and Halloween
Ends twice ucky, and we finally did. Luckily, there was
only ever one. Whenever they get to four, they go
we gotta restart. Yeah, I know.

Speaker 2 (01:53):
They never go past that.

Speaker 1 (01:54):
Never go past the fourth in a time. So yes,
we have Halloween Ween six, which actually I think is
Halloween five in this time it is.

Speaker 2 (02:04):
Yes, tell me what the fuck is going on here? Buddy?

Speaker 1 (02:10):
Why did they keep numbering them after three? You could
have just anyway. Yes, The Curse of Michael Myers probably
one of the most controversial Halloween movies made well until
Halloween Ends came out, ye, and I guess after Halloween three.
But yeah, this is a very nineties movie, probably one

(02:32):
of the first few Halloween movies I've seen, yep, because
it was the freshest at the time as a kid.
This is nineteen ninety five, right, Yes it is. We
got a thirtieth anniversary for this bad Boy.

Speaker 2 (02:43):
It's a year of my birth.

Speaker 1 (02:44):
We've been doing a lot of thirtieth anniversaries from nineteen
ninety five because I'm realizing, like, that's when I was five,
and then that's I was seeing a lot of these movies.
It I'm just like, like, that was a very I
didn't realize film wise, this is a very big year
for Tony from ACA movie.

Speaker 2 (02:58):
Apparently you're watching this at five years old.

Speaker 1 (03:02):
Come on, I might have seen I might have seen
this the next year, like when I was six. I'm
pretty sure family rented it or something like my grandfather
rented it and we watched it, and I remember being
confused and thinking, I'm like, wow, this is six. I
didn't see the others. I'm sure it all makes sense.

Speaker 2 (03:19):
Yeah, anyway, Joey Si, Tony P.

Speaker 1 (03:26):
What is your experience with Halloween The Curse of Michael Meyers?
How did you feel about this one? Did you watch
this one growing up? I did watch this growing up?

Speaker 3 (03:33):
Okay, I never watched any of the other Halloweens except
the first one. My older sister was a big fan
of this film, and I was probably about ten when
I saw it, So it was probably around two thousand
and five, two thousand and four when I first saw
it on tape when I was a kid.

Speaker 2 (03:51):
Tony, I don't know if you know this, but I'm
kind of a simple.

Speaker 1 (03:53):
Boy, yes, and it's been pretty well documented, retty well documented.

Speaker 2 (03:59):
And I watched this and thought, huh, this.

Speaker 3 (04:02):
Is a pretty okay movie. And then I went back
and watched five and I was like, what what is?

Speaker 1 (04:11):
What is all this? Just keep going back.

Speaker 2 (04:13):
That's exactly what I did too. So I watched it.

Speaker 1 (04:16):
Yap to three and you're like, I'm sorry.

Speaker 2 (04:18):
I was a totally different movie.

Speaker 3 (04:21):
And then I didn't watch it for I probably haven't
seen it for the last like fifteen years, and I
rewatched it for this episode. Yeah, Tony, what was I thinking?
What the fuck was going on? So this movie I
did well, you know, like I said, I was a
simple boy. I was very entertained.

Speaker 1 (04:39):
Well, as we all know, I'm very sophisticated. Of course, naturally,
I'm very educated in film, Joey. I was obsessed with
this movie. I thought it was so fucking cool.

Speaker 2 (04:50):
When I was like a kid, thank you because what
was it?

Speaker 3 (04:53):
So?

Speaker 1 (04:53):
I saw when it came out, but then like it
used to play on HBO or Cinemax, whatever one it
played on, I taped it off the TV and I
I still have this tape. I gotta transfer this tape
and see what's on it.

Speaker 2 (05:04):
I love how you taped the covers to so I
know what it was.

Speaker 1 (05:08):
I bought all the other ones. I'm like, I don't
have to buy Halloween Sex and taped it on the TV.
I think there's an episode of The Simpsons on there
actually too. Yeah. So I ended up seeing this like
in the early like two thousands. I was watching this
a lot, and I loved when the Undertaker had the
Ministry of Darkness. Yes, it's the same sort of so

(05:29):
when we had like cult members in this, I'm like,
this is fucking cool. Liked I liked the metal sat
the metal riff version of the Halloween theme. I loved
the frantic music video style editing. Uh, this was I
was all about this, Michael. I thought was really scary
in it. It was way more violent. Yeah, I was

(05:54):
all about this movie, and I would go online. I
would hear about how it was a whole different version
of it.

Speaker 3 (06:00):
I didn't even know there was a different version until
you told me. I had no idea about that. I
had no idea.

Speaker 1 (06:04):
So the producer's cut was a very like famous bootleg
that would circle around at conventions. There's other cuts, there's
apparently a director's cut, a work print, but whatever reason,
like the producer's cut was like the most wildly available,
considered like the better of all those cuts. So it's
basically like what the movie was before, like the Weinstein

(06:27):
Company to mention films producers, So the Weinsteins are making it,
the Mustafa cod and whatnot. They're still like involved, but
they didn't have all the power like they usually did.
So the Weinsteins are there, they're producing this. They recently
at the time were merged with like Disney. Yeah, so
Disney execs are behind this and they want this to
be the really big one.

Speaker 3 (06:47):
Well, from what I understand, they did a test screening
early on and it was like horribly right.

Speaker 1 (06:53):
Problems started before that, oh really, but yes, they did
a test screening apparently really sucked, which Skimpy had to
produce his cut. I can see maybe why, yeah, but
I don't know what. At some point they had to
fix the goddamn movie, and I don't know what the
hell they were doing. They got Daniel Ferrins to write this.

(07:15):
He was a huge fan of the franchise and he
really tried his best, and he was not prepared for
this at all. No, he thought the writer had more.
I was listening to the commentary. He's like, I come
from theater, so the writer has like pretty much all
the power. He's like. I quickly learned that wasn't the case.

Speaker 2 (07:32):
A totally different game.

Speaker 1 (07:34):
Yeah. They got the director Joe Chappelle to do this,
who ended up directing another he had to Was this
before or after hell Raiser four?

Speaker 2 (07:44):
Hold on, that's a good question. Let me double check, y, Yeah,
that was I think this is after, right.

Speaker 1 (07:50):
We're about to find out. No, No, okay, So hell
Raiser four is after this, or maybe it was being
filmed around the same time, but it came out the
year after. So hell Raiser four. He stepped in to
replace the original director and reshoot a bunch of stuff,
and he probably used the experience he learned on this
movie reshooting all of his stuff, and because Dimension films

(08:13):
are probably like, well, he did a good job, I
guess making something out of nothing.

Speaker 2 (08:16):
Let's have him do it again. And if you want
to know.

Speaker 1 (08:18):
More about what I have to say about hell Raiser Bloodline,
should watch my review of the work print, and then
you should sign up for Patreon and watch my review
because I reviewed all the hell Raisers with my cousin
on Patreon. It's an exclusive series. If you don't want
to pledge, you could just buy the series as a
one time payment and watch us review every hell raiservie.

Speaker 2 (08:37):
Wow, what a deal.

Speaker 1 (08:38):
It's a steal if you ask me anyway. So yeah,
Josaphell's on board. Daniel Farns is writing. He's trying to
like add a bunch of references, trying to bring it
back to what the original was. They were able to
get Donald pleasants back. Yep, he was not doing too hot. No,
he was not doing too hot. It would get worse,
as it seems. The big problem is no one knew

(09:01):
who the Man in Black was in Halloween five. Those
were reshoots, Those were additional shoots they did for that movie.

Speaker 2 (09:08):
Who wrote five? I think it was the director the
director was.

Speaker 3 (09:13):
Because whoever wrote five just kind of threw it off
and said, yeah, the next guy will take care of it,
and then this guy has to like tie up all
the loose ense.

Speaker 1 (09:22):
Well, the director of Halloween five was like, how to
the four end? He's dead and the girl is Michael Myers. Now, nah,
bring him back. And then so they did reshoots. They
changed the beginning of that movie, and then they just
add it in this like mystery of this man in
black who had the same tattoo as Michael's.

Speaker 2 (09:40):
Kicking dogs and yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 (09:42):
And no one at the time knew what that was.
It was basically like we'll figure it out later.

Speaker 3 (09:47):
I always assumed that it was going to be explained later,
and then I remembered that this was the movie before
the movie that I watched first. Yeah, well it didn't
get explained at all.

Speaker 1 (09:56):
So, uh, for what I read, I think it was
an interview with Tarantino. Guy like offered a chance to
write Halloween six, and really he had to try to
work on the man in Black and Michael Myers thing,
and he gave it like a crack and he just
couldn't get into it. So no one knew. Apparently this
writer's like, okay, so who was that guy? And they
went I don't figure it out. It's like, oh, cool, thanks.

Speaker 2 (10:17):
They did their best.

Speaker 1 (10:19):
No, so we're gonna go through. Oh and they didn't
bring Daniel Harris back, yes, which he was very upset about.

Speaker 2 (10:30):
From what I understand, the studio did not like her, right.

Speaker 1 (10:33):
No, and I don't think they wanted to pay her.
Oh that's fine. Why. Yeah, So that's why I think
they kept reducing the role of Jamie to what it
was so they didn't have to pay her, which is like,
come on, yeah, dude, come on, what was the budget?

Speaker 2 (10:48):
I don't know, skyrocketing?

Speaker 1 (10:51):
Do you know why they would look at Halloween five
and be like, this one's gonna be big. It's like,
I don't know, a lot of people really don't like
that one. I don't think everyone was really excited for
this one. Yeah, so she didn't come back. We're gonna
go through the theatrical version, mostly kind of like I
did with Supermantu, and then we're gonna talk about the

(11:11):
changes in the producer's cut, and then we'll try to
figure out what is the best version of this movie.

Speaker 2 (11:15):
Beautiful.

Speaker 1 (11:16):
Some people go back and forth. Some people go back
and forth. How do I feel about this? I told
you I used to love it? How do I feel
now as an adult? Am I kind of embarrassed? We'll
find it out.

Speaker 2 (11:29):
Stay tuned, folks.

Speaker 1 (11:30):
We start off with frantic music video style editing.

Speaker 2 (11:45):
It's like a Rob Sobby video.

Speaker 1 (11:47):
It does feel like very much so Alan Howarth did
the music for the other version of the movie. And
then I think at some point they're like, spice this
baby up.

Speaker 2 (11:57):
Yeah, grunge it up.

Speaker 1 (11:58):
Yeah, he grun sit up. We see an older Jamie
Lloyd being carried through a factory.

Speaker 2 (12:06):
Yeah, that's what it looks like, a Freddy Krueger factory.

Speaker 1 (12:09):
Yeah, spoiler, it's underneath Smith's Grove Sanitarium. I'm like, I
do have so many.

Speaker 3 (12:15):
Pipes and down there? What is this fucking facility?

Speaker 1 (12:20):
Yeah, it looks like they're had like a water reclamation.
They're like, what are you guys doing there?

Speaker 2 (12:26):
Exactly what it looks like anyway.

Speaker 1 (12:29):
So, yeah, they're bringing her into a dark room. There's
a cult member with some doctors. She ships out that baby,
and then the man in black comes and takes it away.
We still don't know who he is. Then more cult
members paint a roune in blood on the baby with

(12:52):
the thorns symbol. That was the whole thing, because remember
Holly five he had which the thorns. I don't know
if you watched last year's episode, but the Thord symbol
origin is from the deleted opening of Halloween where some
black magic like punk called Doctor Death finds Michael Myers

(13:12):
and he puts the throne on him and he uses
mysticism to bring Michael Myers back the next year on Halloween.
And then they went, that's stupid, Let's make it where
a hermit keeps him for a year. And then if
you watch the beginning Halloween vibe, you can see like
some of the shots don't really match with the hermit's cabin. Yeah, definitely,
So the Thord symbol was just a leftover thing from

(13:33):
the deleted scene that then they kept in the movie. Yeah,
this we decided to make it like a thing. We
get narration from Paul stevenryde yep, his first film. I
forget if this came out after Clueless. He got the
part for Clueless while making this movie. Okay, but I

(13:55):
think because the reshoots, this might have came out after
I'm not sure they came out around the same time.
I think this is his first one movie though, which
is funny because he did one of those stupid like
Google Finish.

Speaker 2 (14:05):
Oh God, Jack Jack Skelton just knocked down.

Speaker 1 (14:09):
The thriller pack.

Speaker 2 (14:10):
What are you doing?

Speaker 1 (14:11):
Can you pick that up? Please? Yes, that is the
Angry Orchard Thriller Pack. That's Jason branded. You just put
it on this counter. Actually, Okay, I actually reviewed that
short film that they put out recently and on the
Second Channel, me and Prison Mike tested all of those beers.
Check that out. Yeah, so we get narration from Paul

(14:33):
steven Ryde. Oh they did those Google Finish things, and
it's like, what was Paul Rudd's first movie? And he
goes Halloween six and then he paus He's like, I
can't remember the full name of the movie.

Speaker 2 (14:45):
That's really funny.

Speaker 1 (14:47):
So he's talking about the history of Michael Myers. One
by one he killed his entire family. No, he didn't.
Can we count in this continuity the member of his
families that he's killed.

Speaker 2 (15:01):
I think we could let me count it for you.

Speaker 1 (15:03):
Okay, go for it. His sister and then his parents
die off screen between movies and then Laurie in this
continuity dies off screen between movies and like a car
wreck or something, and that's it. Just the one good,
just the one. If anything, maybe his parents also died
in a car accisent.

Speaker 2 (15:24):
I maybe he did he maybe he caused it.

Speaker 1 (15:27):
The Smith Scrove do they have like a like a
prisoner work program? Was he working on cars? And he
manually he purposely fucked up their car.

Speaker 2 (15:37):
That's exactly what he did, Like he hunted them.

Speaker 1 (15:42):
He only ever killed one of them. What the fuck
are you talking about?

Speaker 2 (15:45):
He's a working man.

Speaker 3 (15:46):
His hands are all fucked up in this movie, so
he's a working man man.

Speaker 1 (15:50):
It's just like always on Halloween. I'm like, he doesn't
do it every Halloween. He did it for three halloweens.

Speaker 2 (15:55):
Takes a couple of years off man.

Speaker 1 (15:57):
Yeah. Later that night, a nurse saves Jamie for reasons
I don't know why. Uh, she like gets her to
escape and then she gets killed by Michael. And I
do like the reveal of Michael how he comes out
of the show.

Speaker 2 (16:11):
Yeah that is.

Speaker 1 (16:12):
How do you like the look of this Michael?

Speaker 2 (16:13):
It's pretty grungy.

Speaker 1 (16:15):
I really like this other than the original is like
my favorite Michael.

Speaker 3 (16:18):
Look. It's a good look between like the original and
like the Halloween Kills version. Like it's just like a
kind of healthy balance between the two.

Speaker 1 (16:26):
And for most of the movie it's George P. Wilbur
from Halloween four. It was probably one of the worst
looking Michael Myers. Yeah, but I just love when he
just comes out of like the do you see his face?
It remind me of the first movie it does where
he comes out behind like Laurie Strode. Yeah, so that's
really cool. And then he implants he impales her head

(16:46):
onto a spike. That wall just had a spike.

Speaker 2 (16:49):
Yeah, just randomly at that exact spot.

Speaker 1 (16:52):
Yes, I don't know what the purpose of the spike.

Speaker 3 (16:56):
Is, you know, now that you examine that, Tony, that's spike?

Speaker 2 (17:02):
Why is Why was that there? Man?

Speaker 1 (17:05):
Fuck? Why? I don't know what purple like, it's okay.

Speaker 3 (17:08):
You want to coat rack in the middle of the hallway,
now I want answers, so.

Speaker 1 (17:14):
Yeah, and then okay. They're constantly doing these flash frames
throughout the movie, and I think when I paused it,
it's a flash of Jamie in like the hospital from
later on, and a flash of Michael holding a nut knife. Yes,
And for whatever reason, they keep cutting to those flashes

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constantly with the sound this whole movie is like, it's like, okay, cool,
Michael's doing something again, just needlessly spicing things up, just.

Speaker 3 (17:54):
Make the make the movie more flashy. It's the nineties, man,
it's more grungy.

Speaker 1 (17:58):
Which is funny because like in the next one, Halloween,
Hall Ray's our bloodline. The whole thing that Joe Chappelle
had to do. We had to figure out a way
to get Pinhead into the movie earlier. Yeah, so literally,
like the Dimension film's logo, it just cuts to a
flash of Pinhead's face frantically like this, like this, it
just cuts a wow, it's like Pinhead. I'm like, oh wow,
I guess that's the way to get him in the
movie earlier.

Speaker 3 (18:19):
It just must be the style because it does remind
me of like Blair Witch two Book of Shadows. They
do that shit constantly throughout the movie. So yeah, I
don't know what that style is, but it's goofy.

Speaker 1 (18:30):
So she's running away with baby. There's a trucker just
drinking in the rain in a poncho instead of in
his truck.

Speaker 2 (18:37):
Yeah, I'm not sure why he was out in the rain.

Speaker 1 (18:40):
He's like, I gotta pull over. I gotta drink from
a bottle in the poncho. I don't have to put
the hood up. I'm gonna keep the hood down, but
I'm when to wear the poncho to get rid of
to make sure the rest of my suit doesn't go out,
even though I could just drink in the truck.

Speaker 2 (18:53):
Yeah, I'm not sure why. Well, maybe it's laws.

Speaker 1 (18:56):
I don't know. You know, I don't know.

Speaker 2 (18:58):
We can't look too deep into it apart quick.

Speaker 1 (19:01):
And then she's like telling him. She gets in the truck,
she's telling him to run away, and then he gets
his neck snapped. And this is part of the reshoots
they did to spice things up. They made sure that
his neck broke all the way off and blood shot out.
See the spine, spine, And then we cut to the

(19:22):
Meyers house. Now I'm gonna save like all the alternate
and deleted stuff where we talk about the producers cup,
but what I will do for this version is tell
you the stuff that just never even made it to
a film Beautiful, because apparently, like the studio, like on set,
they're like we're running behind schedule, and they just started

(19:44):
ripping pages out of the script and most of them
are Karras.

Speaker 2 (19:48):
Scenes and they were never even filmed.

Speaker 1 (19:50):
They were never film That's why Kara seems like like
oblivious the whole movie. But like there was stuff where
she was also researching thorn and everything, and it's just
all gone. They were like boring, cut it out, cut
it out. But this opening, you notice it's like a
little tracking shot going up the thing. It was supposed

(20:10):
to be a full tracking shot that led to Danny's
room and then him like upstairs.

Speaker 2 (20:17):
Yes, yeah, okay.

Speaker 1 (20:18):
To mimic the first one, but ye shot yeah right, yeah.
They just went, we're not doing that. They got the door,
they got the camera up to the door, and they went,
we're not doing that.

Speaker 2 (20:27):
Yep, you see the address, that's it.

Speaker 1 (20:29):
Yep. Ye. The Meyers House now looks like the Meyer's House,
whereas in Halloween five it turned into a big mansion
for no reason, and now it's back to being the
Meyers House.

Speaker 3 (20:41):
There's so much shit everywhere too. I know, there's like
a half a truck in the front yard. Is that
a Halloween decoration or is your car.

Speaker 1 (20:49):
Just I don't know because they said no one could
sell the house. No one's been in that house, and
it's just like, why is there so much garbage? So
Danny wakes up and he sees the man in black
in his room, going room.

Speaker 2 (21:01):
That was pretty good, yeah.

Speaker 1 (21:03):
And he's like Mommy and Carra comes in like, hey,
shut up, kid, there's nothing in here.

Speaker 2 (21:09):
Yep.

Speaker 1 (21:09):
Also, this kid Thomas the Tank Engine, Power Rangers and
Godzilla toys. This kid was me in the nineties. Maybe
that's why I also like related to it because this
kid was not much older than me at the time.
I saw the movie and I'm like, whoa, he's got
a Red Ranger. I have that Red Ranger. I probably
have that Red Ranger in a box somewhere, to be honest,
I have a little one there, but I have like
the ten inch figure somewhere.

Speaker 2 (21:31):
Oh yeah.

Speaker 1 (21:32):
So I was just like, yeah, cool. But yeah, she
just tells him to go back to sleep. Basically, Yeah,
I was thinking about that. I was like, if my
mom told me to go back to sleep, I'd be furious. Dude,
I'd be so scared. I just saw a man in
my bedroom. Man, Yeah, yeah, come on, And there's a
reason he imagined the man in the bedroom. And I'll
talk about it when we get to a later scene

(21:52):
because it relates back to something else that was never shot,
but there's a holdover from it. She goes into a
room and she's listening to Barry Sims backtalk with Barry Sims,
And I'm wearing the back talk with Barry Sims shirt.

Speaker 2 (22:07):
I should have wore the Barry kicks ass shirt or whatever?

Speaker 1 (22:10):
Where is this from? Does that say fright rags? What
does that say?

Speaker 3 (22:13):
What does that say?

Speaker 2 (22:18):
Doesn't even say.

Speaker 1 (22:19):
To say on the back here? No, it doesn't say
made this?

Speaker 2 (22:24):
Who made that?

Speaker 1 (22:26):
Now? I feel bad whoever made the shirt, whether it
was fright Rags or something else. I don't know why
I forgot who made the shirt. They made a the
one year they put out all the three Halloween six
seven and h h U and Resurrection, and I made
sure to get the back talk with Barry Sims. It
looks like a newspaper ad for radio. But I don't

(22:48):
know if you notice it's Michael Myers, but they put
a phone.

Speaker 2 (22:52):
In his head.

Speaker 1 (22:52):
And then, of course last year I wore the other
one my trick or treat motherfucker.

Speaker 2 (22:58):
Yes, it's Mike Myers holding the pumpkins.

Speaker 1 (23:01):
Fuck. They wanted Howard Stern for this.

Speaker 3 (23:04):
I did know that, and he turned it down because
his movie was coming out the same.

Speaker 1 (23:09):
No, he turned it down because he turns down everything.
Oh interesting, he almost wasn't even in his own movie. Really,
go back and watch the Private Parts review. That movie
almost starred Jeff Goldbloom because Howard was getting so difficult
to work with because he was afraid to act, so
he just kept delaying production and they were like, we'll
just do it without you, and that finally went him
in shape. And of course Howard Stern ruining his legacy,

(23:32):
making all his fans hate him, and now people think
he's going to retire and no one cares. They're actually
he didn't do it sooner. It's actually pretty depressing.

Speaker 2 (23:40):
It really is.

Speaker 1 (23:41):
He really just alienated his whole audience. And I'm not
like to talk about the politics thing. It's the shy
away from like comedians and weirdos and only talking to
a less celebrities and.

Speaker 2 (23:52):
This is all boring, yeah, regular people basically.

Speaker 1 (23:54):
Anyway, Howard Stern, you became.

Speaker 2 (23:56):
The bad guy.

Speaker 1 (23:58):
I'm glad you have a lot of money.

Speaker 2 (23:59):
But you miserable, So was it worth it?

Speaker 1 (24:02):
Is it worth it? Howurd you cry in every interview
and you tell everyone you're interviewing that they should also
be sad when they're not, and you seem like life
is hell for you? Was it worth it? Anyway? He
was one of my heroes, so.

Speaker 2 (24:15):
I could see why the Sour tast.

Speaker 1 (24:18):
Have a lot of heroes. Have let me down. One
of them put me on a Nazi list, thanks Maddox. Anyway,
Barry Simms is like a local like Chicago or Illinois.
Dj uh and he's basically Howard Stern. You can tell
the dialogue, but yeah, he's talking to people about Michael
Myers because we've learned, we kind of learned through this

(24:39):
that after after two years in a row, Michael Myers
killed the entire police force of Haddenfield. Yeah. Oh, I've
forgot that. He kills all of them except the sheriff
in part four and at the end of part five,
the Man of Black comes and machine guns a whole
bunch of new sheriffs. It's just like, well, what's he

(25:00):
killed the entire police for twice? I could see banning
Halloween and maybe getting more. Uh So, Yeah, they banned Halloween,
but they're finally bringing it back this year, and the
students are gonna do the campus rally. Yeah, they're gonna
be like, we're gonna rally to celebrate Halloween, and he's gonna.

Speaker 2 (25:17):
Be there, Barry Barry, Barry Simms.

Speaker 1 (25:20):
And then Tommy Doyle calls in to talk about Myers
and he's like, I met him when I was eight
years old. Of course he's Tommy Paul Red as Tommy Doyle,
the little boy from the first film, and he's like,
I was one of the lucky ones. We've learned that
he's become a psychopathy dude, A beyonda psychopath, both versions
of Tommy Doyle because like the New Continuity, it's Anthony

(25:41):
Michael Hall and it's like he turned into a weirdo too.

Speaker 3 (25:44):
Yeah, can't well, I guess when that happens when you're eight,
you know, traumatic experience.

Speaker 1 (25:49):
I suppose listen, he saw Michael in person, I guess,
and then he saw Michael carry a dead body, and
then he saw Michael first, he didn't see Michael kill anyone,
fucking really, dude.

Speaker 3 (26:02):
I watched Deeper Screepers too, A nightmare two on the
same day when I was in I turned out just fine, right, Tony.

Speaker 2 (26:08):
Yeah, well, let's just.

Speaker 1 (26:12):
Say when I told her we're gonna do a boys month,
you thought it was something else. I got really excited. Also,
Tim denies it, but everyone's telling Tim that he might
be gay. I told him to hit you up.

Speaker 2 (26:26):
I'll whip him in his shape real quick.

Speaker 1 (26:30):
Wauch the hackers revealing He's like I was rollerblading. People
were asking how I was gay, Like, if you can't
be rollerblading and rocking that mustache and then be shocked
and here are you gay? Anyway?

Speaker 2 (26:42):
A man's class.

Speaker 1 (26:44):
So Tommy's just like I'd been studying Michael and I
know he's coming back, and I'm like, you do how?
I guess? He explains how coming up in another scene. Uh.
And also he's spying on Cara as she's undressing, terrifying.
Ye creep yep, that Michael make you a fucking pervert?

Speaker 2 (27:06):
Yeah, what the fuck? Come on there? And then a
guy calls in I like this.

Speaker 1 (27:10):
He says that the CIA abducted Michael Myers and they
used them as an assassin. But you can't control Michael.
That's like the kind of the thesis for this version
a little bit. Yeah, it's the same other version, but
for this versions, like, you can't control Michael, so he
said the CIA they put him in a spaceship, sent

(27:31):
him the space.

Speaker 2 (27:32):
Yeah, they're setting up for Michael Myers.

Speaker 1 (27:34):
In space, saying that was an idea that was floated around,
which is funny because then this director does Hell Raiser
in space.

Speaker 3 (27:40):
That's why, No way that was actually floated around. That's crazy.
Oh my god.

Speaker 1 (27:46):
And doctor Loomis is listening to this, just retired, yes,
And he gets up with Terrence Wynn, who was in
the first Halloween for.

Speaker 2 (27:55):
Like fifteen seconds.

Speaker 1 (27:57):
Yeah, you mean he was the head of the asylum
loom He's the guy who Loomis is yelling at and
went he was doing very well last night. He's meeting
up with terrorist Wynn, who just seems to drive out
there to wish him a happy retirement but also ask
him to come back. Yep, and uh, doctor Loomis, he's
now gotten rid of all his scars. How did he
get rid of him? Don't know in this version.

Speaker 2 (28:19):
Oh that's true. Yeah, just imagined it in this movie.

Speaker 1 (28:21):
Just pretend, uh, you didn't see it, even though they
very clearly show Michael's burn scars. Yeah, well, Petadian see
Loomis's We'll find out soon enough, much like how he
survived that explosion in two. Just uh, he's fine, don't
worry about stop asking.

Speaker 2 (28:36):
Yeah, literally, you're in the asshole for asking.

Speaker 1 (28:39):
Jamie makes it to a bus station where someone went
on break, the worst time for that person to go
on break, yep uh, and the all the emergency lines
for Haddenfield are down because of the storm. So she's like,
I guess I'll call what's the number? Hold on? I
have it here.

Speaker 2 (28:58):
It's right at the bottom.

Speaker 1 (28:58):
I think, Yeah, it's one eight hundred nine six six
seven eight two five.

Speaker 2 (29:05):
What is that spell you sick?

Speaker 1 (29:08):
Yeah, So she calls the station and just goes Michael's
after me, Michael, myers, help me, doctor Loomis, instead of going,
I'm at the bus station, send cops.

Speaker 2 (29:25):
That's too much logic for this for this movie, tom.

Speaker 1 (29:28):
I guess so. But Loomis hears the cry on the
radio somehow listening. Yeah, and Tommy also hears it too well.

Speaker 2 (29:38):
He records it too. He records all these phone calls.

Speaker 1 (29:42):
And then Michael checks the bathroom. He's not able to
find her, and he sees that she escaped out a
window and he's like, all right, well, I got to
follow her to a farm while the rock version of
Halloween kicks in.

Speaker 2 (29:57):
Fucking rid.

Speaker 1 (30:05):
Me and Tim when whenever we talk about this movie,
we do that.

Speaker 2 (30:08):
We go, it's pretty close.

Speaker 1 (30:13):
We got a car chase. Michael's driving the Smith's Grove van.

Speaker 2 (30:18):
She comes up later.

Speaker 1 (30:19):
By the way, they keep showing that that's the Smith's
Grove van, so like when the twist happens later, it's like, yeah, you.

Speaker 2 (30:25):
Know, yeah, literally it's right there.

Speaker 1 (30:28):
So yeah, score kicks in. She's hiding on a farm. Uh,
He's able to find her in there, and he impales
her on a.

Speaker 2 (30:36):
Thing hay bail machine that puts hay together.

Speaker 1 (30:41):
Is that what that does?

Speaker 3 (30:43):
That's what that does. It makes it into Are you
sure why? I've spent a lot of time on a
farm myself, and that's what that thing. Yeah, you put
the hay in the hay machine and it makes the.

Speaker 2 (30:53):
Hay more hay.

Speaker 1 (30:56):
Got you got you? You know, I didn't know what
that machine did. I'm not a farmman, so I don't
know these things.

Speaker 2 (31:03):
And we learn it in week two of the Man's school.

Speaker 1 (31:06):
Oh darn, I was sick that week.

Speaker 2 (31:08):
You were. You came back the next week.

Speaker 1 (31:11):
I was sick of all the feminism in the world
and I just needed a break.

Speaker 2 (31:15):
That's right, that is true. It's a true fact, folks.

Speaker 1 (31:18):
Yeah. He pails her on the hay machine. Uh haymaker, Yes,
the haymaker, and she reaches out to him. If you
remember Hollowy five, he took his mask off and cried. Well,
he must have went to Man's school.

Speaker 2 (31:38):
That's exactly what he did. The man in black is like,
did you cry? They reprimanded him. Immediately go in there
and do squats and push ups exactly.

Speaker 1 (31:49):
Sah. He just shoves her on the spike.

Speaker 2 (31:52):
Oh my god, and then turns it on, and then.

Speaker 1 (31:55):
Turns it on. Bye Jamie character. People really liked You're
dead now, so we know that in the other versions
she lives a little longer. In the script that he wrote,
she was supposed to like live and come back at
the end and help them. But each version they gave

(32:17):
her less and less things to do, until we ended
up with this version where they were like this fucking killer.

Speaker 2 (32:22):
Interesting, it's killer.

Speaker 1 (32:24):
They did hu That writer commentary is very eye open.
He doesn't like this, like all the excessive gore, because
he was trying to make it like the first one,
which isn't very gory. I don't know why he was
trying to do that when everyone was trying to be
gory at the time this movie came out. You probably
shouldn't trying to, you know, pre scream, you know, screamed

(32:44):
pretty gory, but like, no, there was gory slashers around
here leprechauns. They're pretty gory, getting really gory. He's writing
this for the Weinsteins. They had Pinhead just massacre a
whole night lot. He kills her and then he goes
to get that baby, but it's just a paper towel.
Roll yep, she hid the baby all right. So cut

(33:06):
back to the Myers house. John and Deborah. Do you
get it?

Speaker 3 (33:12):
John and Deborah? That is John Carpenter and his wife, right.

Speaker 1 (33:17):
Uh, well, I guess they were dating, but yes, yeah.

Speaker 2 (33:20):
Okay, cool Deborah?

Speaker 1 (33:23):
Why am I blanket on the last thing?

Speaker 2 (33:24):
Hold on, missus Carpenter? Deborah Hill, that's what it is
under grab my copy of the fog.

Speaker 1 (33:37):
Deborah Hill, the late Debora Hill.

Speaker 2 (33:38):
Good.

Speaker 1 (33:40):
Yeah, so that's like a very big inside joke because
again the writer was a super fan. Uh, they're the
stros They're the you know, the uncle, the Anne and
uncle of Lori Strode. So yeah, they are move in
to the house. Uh what you got? The kids are
defacing the Strode sign. They put a Michael Myers ask

(34:03):
on it, and the dad's like, I'm tired of this
Michael Myers crap.

Speaker 2 (34:06):
Dude.

Speaker 3 (34:07):
He uses an axe to chop down a sign with
like that he could have just pulled he could have
just pulled it out.

Speaker 2 (34:12):
I don't know why you had to use an axe him.

Speaker 1 (34:15):
And I'm sitting here going like, well, they did move
into the Myers house. It's very well known because of
this scene. It would give you the idea that everyone
knows this, and then there's there's a scene or so
later where I'm like, wait, this is a mystery to them.
I thought everyone knew.

Speaker 2 (34:33):
How do they not know?

Speaker 1 (34:36):
This scene because it makes the other scenes make no sense.

Speaker 2 (34:39):
That's a good point.

Speaker 1 (34:40):
Yeah, so he's yelling at everyone. Danny is dressed like
his uncle Tim with flannel flannel and an orange shirt
backwards hat. Uh, and Kara is going to school for psychology.
How old would you say Danny is no, no, No, that's Tim,

(35:02):
that's Tim. Danny's the younger one.

Speaker 3 (35:03):
Oh, younger one. I would say he's probably like eight
or nine.

Speaker 1 (35:08):
I would say, okay, because because there's because she's in college.

Speaker 3 (35:15):
Yeah, And they do refer to the kid as a
bastard son.

Speaker 1 (35:19):
Yes, And he says she hasn't been around in five years,
but he looks older than five.

Speaker 2 (35:26):
Holy fuck.

Speaker 1 (35:28):
He says, you don't show your face around for five years,
and you show up on her death with that little bastard.
There's a theory. Oh, and it plays war into the
producer's cut, So maybe.

Speaker 2 (35:39):
We'll say, okay, let's save that.

Speaker 1 (35:40):
Yeah, because the writer tries to debunk some other controversial
element in that version. But then he leads little seeds
about this, and I'm like, I don't know, I think
maybe you're backtracking. Huh. You let this other little plot
point air that I'm picking up on. Uh. He is
not happy that Carr is back No.

Speaker 2 (35:59):
Uh.

Speaker 1 (36:00):
He gets up and slaps her around yep. And then
after he slaps her, he looks down. Danny has a
knife out of his belly, like he's ready to kill him.
Is he becoming the new Michael Myers. Was he the
Corey Cunningham of his day.

Speaker 2 (36:18):
Now you're probably thinking this scene really doesn't make a
lot of sense. It will, It will.

Speaker 1 (36:22):
Later on, It will later on. They eventually get him away. Also,
the mom in that scene, Deborah is apparently she was
the original little girl in the original True Grit movie.
They said that on the commentary.

Speaker 3 (36:37):
Really, yeah, I was thinking when I was watching this,
I was like, this has got.

Speaker 2 (36:40):
To be the nerdiest woman I have ever seen.

Speaker 1 (36:45):
Very mousy, she's very mousy.

Speaker 2 (36:47):
Oh my god.

Speaker 1 (36:50):
You know what's real annoying when they try to spice
up horror movies, Yeah, annoying jump scares. Yeah, So Beth
who lives next door, comes over, talks and then Tim
comes up and hugs her from behind, and they added.

Speaker 2 (37:04):
Up, yeah, what the hell happened this time?

Speaker 1 (37:10):
Like a jump scar necessary? And I'm like, that wasn't scary?

Speaker 2 (37:15):
What was the point of that?

Speaker 1 (37:17):
That might? Like we talked about or we will be
talking about Silent Hill coming up the Silent Hill sequel,
there's a pop tart jump scare. Oh if I remember right,
it was either pop tart or toast, but something pops
out of a toaster and they add a really loud
sound to scare you.

Speaker 2 (37:33):
What why would they do that?

Speaker 1 (37:35):
I hate it it. Chapter one is a dude filled yeah,
but like the movie was like okay and didn't need them.
I know. That's why it was so frustrating. Like the
one I go through is like when it's like it's
part where it's in the darkness and his eyes glow Yep,
I'm like creepy. It didn't either, but this is way
more egregious. This is a guy hugged his girlfriend.

Speaker 2 (37:55):
Doesn't it change?

Speaker 3 (37:56):
Like it's like the POV camera shot as it's going towards.

Speaker 1 (37:59):
Kind Yeah, so dumb. So we're cutting back and forth.
We get to see a win secretary tells him that
they found Jamie's body. She doesn't say dead, just that
they found Jamie's body. And then Kira finds out Tommy
lives with Beth in the boarding house, who's run by

(38:20):
a deaf lady name that named missus Blank and Shit.
What is a which is a reference to Halloween three.
There was a Blank and Shit that someone was supposed
to meet in Halloween three. It's like a really big reference.
She's deaf, super deaf, ye can't hear anything, or can she?

(38:44):
Uh So she'screeped out by Tommy. She's like if the
best says, apparently some really fucked up stuff happened to
him as a kid. So Tommy goes to investigate the
bus station and this baby just needn't make a sound
between last night and now.

Speaker 3 (39:00):
Well, and he well, so what leads him to that
is he's listening to the playback, yes, of the tape
of the recording of the girl calling.

Speaker 1 (39:08):
In, and he boosts it and he hears.

Speaker 3 (39:11):
Like a bus announcement in the background, but on the tape.

Speaker 1 (39:15):
The announcer wasn't there. It was on break.

Speaker 2 (39:21):
Oh my god, you're right. Was that automated? Maybe it
might have been automated.

Speaker 1 (39:27):
It was automated maybe, but it sounded just like a guy.
But there was no one there because they left the
sign saying back in twenty So who did the announcement.

Speaker 2 (39:36):
And who are they announcing two?

Speaker 1 (39:38):
I don't know unless it was automated, but I don't
know if that was the thing back then. Anyway, he
goes there and yeah, that baby just didn't make a
sound the whole night.

Speaker 2 (39:48):
Yeah, in the cabinet. Oh and and the blood wasn't
cleaned up the blood.

Speaker 1 (39:51):
No one noticed the blood.

Speaker 2 (39:52):
I didn't no one notice that.

Speaker 3 (39:54):
Maybe it was a storm, maybe no one was at
the bus station, but there were people there, I'm pretty
sure while he was there.

Speaker 1 (40:00):
Yeah, he finds the baby and he's like, all right,
I guess i'll take you baby.

Speaker 3 (40:05):
If you find a baby in a bathroom at a
bus station, Tony, would you take it home?

Speaker 1 (40:09):
Now?

Speaker 2 (40:09):
I'd leave it good, not my baby hashtag not my baby.

Speaker 1 (40:13):
I'd find like a cuff with like some water for it.
I leave it some water, yeah, some hay.

Speaker 3 (40:20):
Yeah, definitely, there's a haymaker previously. We know how to
work those now, so we can absolutely make it a
little bed.

Speaker 1 (40:28):
And then I walk away.

Speaker 2 (40:29):
Yeah that's fair.

Speaker 1 (40:30):
I want to tell anyone because I don't want them
to wake the baby.

Speaker 2 (40:33):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (40:37):
So Loomis goes to see the body of Jamie and
they see the big thorn symbol burnt into the stacks
of hay.

Speaker 2 (40:45):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (40:46):
Did Michael stack those that hay himself with the haymaker?
We don't know. I think they said originally it was
supposed to be like a crop circle. It was gonna
be a big thorn symbol. With the crop circle.

Speaker 3 (40:57):
Okay, interesting, I don't know why he left the burn, Yeah,
I don't know why.

Speaker 1 (41:03):
But also like the crop circle also seems a little egregious,
like why do that at all? It doesn't make any sense.

Speaker 3 (41:09):
No, some culty stuff that we don't really know. We
don't know the backstorre.

Speaker 1 (41:12):
But then Loomis goes, that's his mark. I'm like, so
that simple was on it because we never saw it
before Halloween. By yeah, he just goes, that's his mark.
And then everything. By the way, everything is quick, like
five seconds of a scene, next thing, short scene, next thing.
They're just moving, moving, moving, moving. There's no time to
breathe in this movie. Carrot drops her book and sees

(41:35):
a creepy drawing her kid made, yeah, of a big
it's all the family members dead, and a big black
shadowy figure that says Thorn on it. She goes Thorn,
and I assume here is where they would have had
the scene of her at the library looking up Thorn
stuff that they just went no time. Thing. That makes

(41:56):
so much sense because it would give her a reason
to kind of buy into what Tommy is saying instead
of just going you're insane. Get away from my child.
Ye yep, if she like researched it a little bit beforehand.
But they were like, no, we got we gotta cut
to some Michael scenes. Goodbye, Rick, get out of here, lady.

Speaker 2 (42:16):
Interesting.

Speaker 1 (42:17):
So Tommy brings the baby to a hospital and just
yells at the lady for no reason, I need a doctor.
Is what's the emergency? I need a doctor. It's like,
you're you're at a hospital, buddy, Just you gotta wait.
He's so hunched over to and he goes, there's been
an accident, like there has been you guys look fine, Yeah,

(42:38):
it's it's like cond he just be a little patient, buddy.
And then he sees Loomis, who is at the hospital conveniently.

Speaker 2 (42:46):
Well he's just hanging out.

Speaker 1 (42:48):
I guess it's just yeah, he's just there. He's just
at a hospital. I heard he're saying, like what about Jamie.
I'm like, well, they would have taken her to like
a morgue or something, right.

Speaker 2 (42:56):
Yeah, she was dead, very very dead.

Speaker 1 (42:58):
Yeah. Yeah, I don't know if you could survive that.
To be honest, I've.

Speaker 3 (43:02):
Been around many Haymakers. Yes you're not surviving that.

Speaker 1 (43:06):
Uh yeah, Lewis is just sitting there staring into space
as he often does, I guess, and Tommy's like, I'm
Tommy Doyle, remember me? And Louis is like, yeah, I
think I saw you for five seconds running out of
a house. Yeah. Maybe, I mean maybe they talked a
little bit after that. I don't know. But he gets
updated on the baby. He's like, I don't think Jamie

(43:29):
is the last. This baby might be it. And then
he goes, oh, by the way, Shrods are now living
in the Meyers house. And then he says, meet me
at the campus rally tonight. It's like, well, why don't
you Why don't you just leave with him now? Yeah,
I don't Why don't you tell him to meet you now?

Speaker 2 (43:46):
That you know?

Speaker 3 (43:47):
Now?

Speaker 2 (43:47):
Seems like a good time. I'm not sure why they
had to drive.

Speaker 1 (43:50):
Is there a reason he can't talk to him now?
Is there's maybe someone in the hospitals on critical condition
that Louis wants to stay and observe. Obviously not no,
not because died with the haymaid.

Speaker 2 (44:02):
Exactly, she got killed. She's not a lot.

Speaker 1 (44:05):
Yeah. Uh. So we cut back to the Myers house
and Deva is putting an axe in a box, which
I always love those setups with the weapon and then.

Speaker 3 (44:14):
Well, that's why you shopped the side down with the
ye there for later.

Speaker 1 (44:18):
Uh, she's putting the axe in the box. She goes downstairs,
there's a broken washer, her fuse box is all messed up.
I do like these scenes, the very suspenseful. We don't
really get too much of that hold on us you
So anyway, as I was saying, I didn't sneeze, No,
I'm good, she's uh dealing with Oh. I like the

(44:40):
suspense in the scene because you don't get a lot
of it in the movie.

Speaker 2 (44:44):
It is.

Speaker 3 (44:45):
It is a rare standout scene in this movie that
this whole sequence is really the.

Speaker 1 (44:51):
Stalking scenes are kind of what made those movies popular.

Speaker 2 (44:55):
That's why it was so much the gore.

Speaker 1 (44:57):
And stabbing or whatnot. She can't Twelve year old Tony
was like, cool, Yeah, I probably got to the seat
I went boring. Why is no one skateboarding and drinking
the searche nineties. She's getting really, really nervous, and then
h Loomis just happens to be.

Speaker 3 (45:19):
There, shows up right inside.

Speaker 1 (45:25):
Yes, he left the hospital to go across the street
from Tommy's house. Why didn't Tommy say meet me at
my house. I live across the street from the Meyers house.

Speaker 3 (45:39):
That just makes too much sense. He could have just
made a pit stop. We would add this whole thing
taken care of.

Speaker 1 (45:45):
He could have updated him there, could have told him
his plan and everything. Instead, Loomis breaks into the lady's
house and then goes, Michael killed his family here, You're
all gonna die.

Speaker 2 (45:58):
Hatred is stored in here.

Speaker 1 (46:00):
He's gonna hate you for even being here. You need
to get out.

Speaker 2 (46:06):
And she believes it. Yes, she buys it.

Speaker 1 (46:09):
Yes. Uh, Tommy, who again is across the street, probably
see doctor Loomis walking.

Speaker 2 (46:14):
I literally he's pray priced buying on him right now. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (46:17):
Yeah, he's always watching the house. I guess, except for
right now he's got the baby. He decides to call
it Stephen like Paul Stephen ride. Uh.

Speaker 3 (46:29):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (46:30):
And I guess they just have no idea that they're
in proximity to each other so the plaque can happen,
whereas they could have like linked up, talked about the baby,
got it somewhere, save figured out how to stop.

Speaker 2 (46:39):
Michael, stop this whole thing.

Speaker 1 (46:42):
Uh, And that we do get a set up here
that there's two vans that look similar. Yep, So we
see a van from earlier, but then that's Barry Simms van. Yes,
and then it drives past another van. The Man of
Black is in the scene, right, yeah, I believe he
is with like a mask on, like a black mask.
So the Man of Black is then standing next to

(47:02):
the other van, which is almost identical, and Danny sees it,
and then he bumps into Tommy, who doesn't doesn't have
the baby.

Speaker 2 (47:10):
On him, and he just stares at Tommy.

Speaker 1 (47:14):
It's supposed to be.

Speaker 2 (47:16):
The reference from yeah.

Speaker 1 (47:20):
From the first one, although Tommy isn't the one who
bumped into Michael was the bully, That's what I thought. Yeah, yeah,
but there's a lot of shot references in this movie
to the original. Uh yeah, He's like, sorry about your
pumpkin kid anyway, blah blah blah. It's just like, where's
the baby.

Speaker 2 (47:42):
At home with the deaf lady? I don't know.

Speaker 1 (47:45):
So then we get to see Michael is stalking Deborah
and she calls John, who's at work getting drunk. So Joey,
see as I drink this tea that's always been here
and didn't just materialize let's talk about this next scene,
shall we?

Speaker 2 (48:00):
Beautiful? We shall enjoy that tea?

Speaker 1 (48:03):
Ah yum.

Speaker 2 (48:04):
It's been here the whole time, and it's still piping hot.

Speaker 1 (48:07):
I haven't record for almost a week or two straight,
and I'm not losing my voice. I'm fine.

Speaker 3 (48:13):
He's God, folks, He's God. He's just liquefying his throat,
which you had to do the last live episode.

Speaker 1 (48:20):
It's only got worse since.

Speaker 3 (48:22):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (48:22):
Anyway, Oh my god, I feel so much better. Also,
down to popsicle too. Yeah, I just shoved a popsicle
down there to cool my throat, and now I'm warming it.

Speaker 3 (48:34):
Okay, don't ever repeat that, dude, I went upstairs and
shoved the popsicle down my throat.

Speaker 1 (48:47):
Michael is still stalking Tempera and she calls John, who's
at work getting drunk. That's what we were just about
to talk about. Naturally, she yells at him. She's like,
your brother couldn't sell this house because it's theer's house,
and you knew and didn't tell us. I'm like, how
was he ever going to keep this a secret? The
whole town knows.

Speaker 3 (49:07):
Yeah, literally, I'm not sure how they didn't find out
about that how didn't they already know and why couldn't
they find.

Speaker 1 (49:15):
There's there's a line in the producer's cut that lets
you know that they were living in Chicago.

Speaker 2 (49:21):
Okay, yeah that is true, yes, correct.

Speaker 1 (49:24):
And then they like moved into this house recently. Uh yeah,
but it's just like those kids were defacing it. No
one went, why are they putting Michael Myers on our house?

Speaker 2 (49:36):
That's a good point.

Speaker 3 (49:37):
And the dad is a real estate agent as well,
so they could have just picked any other house if
he knew, which he did.

Speaker 2 (49:45):
Yeah, we do find out he did know.

Speaker 1 (49:47):
But he's yelling at her.

Speaker 2 (49:48):
It's like, stop letting people in our house.

Speaker 1 (49:50):
He's a pie is Yeah, She's like, we're leaving and
I want you to come, like, lady, this is your out.
But now they hang up and the axe is missing.
I did, like again, call back to the first one
where she's walking back and forth. When she comes back,
Michael's in the background, much like when Annie is calling
and you see his face in the background.

Speaker 2 (50:11):
Yep.

Speaker 1 (50:12):
And then I guess the cult. I guess the man
in black is down the street in the van. Yep.
They decided to be fun to call her, Yeah, child
and she's like, ah, and she runs away. She's running
through the sheets that she hung up because the washer
broke and the dryer broke.

Speaker 3 (50:31):
Oh, that makes sense. And she forgets that she owns
a fence in the backyard. Yes, but I guess that
makes sense if she just moved in. Maybe she's not
familiar with the layout.

Speaker 1 (50:40):
Yeah, of course, of course. So yeah, she's running through
the sheets, and I do kind of like this scene
where she's running through and then she pulls the last
one down. It's Michael with the axe. Yeah, cuts to
the blood on the thing. It's cool. They put Michael
Myers in one of those Call of Duty games like
years ago.

Speaker 2 (50:58):
Yeah, they did. And I think he had an axe.
He did have an ACX Y.

Speaker 1 (51:01):
Yes, I wouldn't known these things. Video games are for children.

Speaker 2 (51:05):
Of course.

Speaker 1 (51:05):
Watch our Twisted Metal season two review. Kara returns home
and in the hallway, did you notice she walked past
a hat and coat that looks like the Man of Blacks?

Speaker 2 (51:15):
No? I totally missed that.

Speaker 1 (51:17):
Yeah, that's nice. So there's a the coat and a
hat and it kind of looks like the Man of Black.
Apparently that was gonna be like in the previous scene
where he has the nightmare or like the next day.
It was supposed to be like he was seeing that
coat and hat and that's why he was envisioning the
Man of Black, or maybe he was just like, oh,

(51:38):
I'm not seeing that, it's this. So that was like
for a leftover idea that never got filmed. Oh okay,
because it probably involved Kara and Danny and they went
cut on the ladies. Yea, is it always by back?
Why do they have that just awkwardly placed in the
hallway And the writer said like, yeah, it was supposed
to be part of like another thing that.

Speaker 2 (51:56):
Just never got totally missed that.

Speaker 1 (51:59):
Yeah, So she's a walking down the hallway there and
she walks in. She finds, uh, Tommy with Danny and
the baby, and I'd be like, what the fuck get out.

Speaker 3 (52:08):
Of here, seriously, there's a man in my child's bedroom.

Speaker 1 (52:13):
He brings her to his place and he lets her
know about the Runes and the Curse of Michael Myers.
He said the thing, yeah, and so yeah, he's given
like a backstory. But I'm looking at the rest of
Tommy's room. Did you investigate it?

Speaker 2 (52:30):
I was looking at it a little bit. It is
can we wild can.

Speaker 1 (52:33):
We get a Joey c Green screened into Paul Rudd's
room video because we have some here.

Speaker 2 (52:41):
So obviously has Michael Meyers stuff yep.

Speaker 1 (52:44):
But in addition to that, he has a fringe magnet
that says die yuppie scum.

Speaker 3 (52:48):
Yep.

Speaker 2 (52:49):
He's a proud NRA member.

Speaker 1 (52:51):
Yeah, it has a banner that says I'm an RA
and I vote next to it looks like AK forty seven.

Speaker 3 (52:58):
But I don't think it is an a game. I
just assume him it was like an assault rifle of sorts.

Speaker 1 (53:01):
Yes. Yeah, he has a like a machine gun up there,
which probably would be convenient for the third act of
the film.

Speaker 2 (53:09):
Yeah, that would have solved all the problems.

Speaker 1 (53:10):
Like gun, like you have to use it, you can't
just show me that. Uh yeah. And then he also
has a big giant sombrero which I also think he
should have worn at the end of the film, had
a picture of Divine on his friend.

Speaker 2 (53:25):
Yes.

Speaker 1 (53:25):
Yes, So Danny sees Michael outside and even though Tommy said, hey,
you have to like look out there, watch your house. Yep,
he's like Mommy and she's like shut up, Danny. Yeah, yeah,
he's probably looking at what he's looking at.

Speaker 2 (53:38):
I know you're in a situation right now, perhaps you
should invest in.

Speaker 1 (53:41):
Which again, this feels like Laurie and Tommy in the
first one, where she's like, going Tommy, Cara calms the
baby down, and then Tommy does his lecture about Thorn.
He's like something controls Michael, and then we see that
Michael only attacks when the Thorn constellation is complete, which
is get a yeah. Oh, we're talking about evil persons

(54:06):
and and constellations, evil demons and constellations and space cat
shows herself.

Speaker 3 (54:15):
Yeah, get a hey, get a I say, yo, she
she knows I'll pick her up if she gets too close.

Speaker 2 (54:28):
Get a hi. Don't you dare throw up on that
couch again?

Speaker 1 (54:36):
Many many months ago, I had a lady over. Yeah,
it wasn't going well, and what didn't help was my
Space cat walking the room and just throwing up was
an omen for the rest. It really was, It really was.
It really was. May have gotten drunken yet of the
lady out of those really set the moon for that night. Anyway. Oh,

(55:02):
where are we at this movie? Sorry? Constellation? Yes, constellation
so yeah, I guess this constellation only forms in nineteen
sixty three, nineteen seventy eight, but then nineteen eighty eight,
in nineteen eighty nine, and now nineteen ninety six, like
how does that happen?

Speaker 2 (55:22):
Astrology step stuff we don't really know.

Speaker 1 (55:25):
And then Loomis gets confirmation from the doctor who did
an autopsy on Jamie that she had placenta, so she
gave birth recently and wins like where's the baby in
Loomis Is like, I think I know, even though Tommy
kind of told him yep, and then he went next
door to Tommy's house and.

Speaker 2 (55:44):
Could have just so now he knows.

Speaker 1 (55:46):
Yeah, okay, so he's going to Hedge the rally to
meet Tommy yes, and try to see if it's confirmed.
And then missus blanket shit tells Danny the history of Halloween,
and Danny asked some questions and she responds, so I
was like, she came here.

Speaker 2 (56:02):
Foreshadowing.

Speaker 1 (56:02):
I didn't know any better. I'd say that whole deaf
thing was a bullshit. So then Carrot gets Danny way
and then she says that she baby sat little Mikey
Meyers that night. No, no, true, his sister baby sat him.

(56:26):
It wasn't her continuity, although she could be lying knowing
what we know about her.

Speaker 3 (56:33):
Yeah, that is true that that does kind of track
with her personality, so perhaps that's the case.

Speaker 1 (56:38):
But yeah, but now she's like Danny, here's the voice.
Michael heard the voice too and told him to kill
his family. And then if you notice Michael's in the background.

Speaker 3 (56:45):
Yes, he is in the background, just creepishly outside the window.

Speaker 1 (56:49):
Barry shows up at the campus rally as the man
in black, but then he's dressed as a streaker. That's cool,
poor Barry, I wish you would have lived. Yeah, no, awesome,
and then everyone celebrates that he's there. Tim and Beth
are franken Sein spouncer and the bride of Frankenstin. John
comes home drunk and the power goes out. He's like, well,

(57:12):
I better check that power and then he gets impaled
on an electrical.

Speaker 2 (57:17):
Box and boy does he get electrocuted.

Speaker 1 (57:20):
He gets electrocuted. He turns into a dummy. He looks
like New Gingridge for a minute, like, for whatever reason,
the animatedro out like the dummy looks like New Gingridge.
I do like when it cuts the outside of the house.

Speaker 2 (57:33):
And the lights are Yeah, that is pretty cool.

Speaker 1 (57:35):
And his head blows up. Yep, yep, that was a reshoot. Ye,
that was an attitude. If you were wondering what was
added to the movie, the head blowing up was one
hundred percent added.

Speaker 2 (57:53):
To almost all of that whole kill basically pretty much.

Speaker 1 (57:56):
Yeah again, young Tony. I'm like, oh yeah, I was like,
this is rock and Grolntrol the Thorns. So we cut
back to the rally and Beth is trying to talk
about how the town needs to move on and everything,
and then Barry's like, whoa does she get this route
up on in bed? And then he goes, I bet

(58:18):
you wear crotches panties and bark like a dog.

Speaker 2 (58:22):
Definitely, Howard stirring.

Speaker 4 (58:24):
Yeah, I never had a girl who wore crosses pennies
and barked like a dog. I had a girl barked
like a dog, and another girl wore crossed his panties.

Speaker 2 (58:35):
But at the same time, Yeah, okay, that's fair, that's fair.

Speaker 1 (58:38):
And I had a three way with both of Yeah. Yeah,
because I'm manly, Yeah, of course. And this was like
this was like last week, every night last week.

Speaker 2 (58:47):
That's that's interesting. That's why the bedroom was so destroyed.

Speaker 1 (58:52):
Yeah, ok, because you saw my bedroom. Wow, I was
up there because I did, because I would show you
my skill. No, exactly. So you were taking notes. We're cool.
We're cool guys. Yeah, girls like us.

Speaker 2 (59:07):
That's good.

Speaker 3 (59:08):
Lots and lots of girls, big girls, not big girls. Yeah,
big girls. We had to join chick Masters in secret club.

Speaker 1 (59:21):
Yes, okay. So Beth mentions that Tim lives in the
Myers House and he had no idea he lived in
the Myers House.

Speaker 2 (59:29):
And I'm like, wait, what, Yeah, come on now, Beth.

Speaker 1 (59:31):
Never brought it up. She's all about this and she
didn't let you know. So Barry's like, all right, we're
gonna go to the Myers House. Then that's gonna be awesome.

Speaker 2 (59:40):
The live show in the Myers House.

Speaker 1 (59:42):
Yeah. Uh. And then Barry's calling, yelling at his agent,
and he was like, all right, we're gonna try and
spice things up here, but fuck you for sending me here.
He gets in the wrong van. Yeah, he gets in
the man by the cold and Michael Myers, who I
guess left the house to go to the campus to
kill Barry.

Speaker 2 (01:00:04):
I'm assuming that's why he was there.

Speaker 1 (01:00:06):
No, he was actually just hanging out in the van.
I think Barry just wandered into the van and Michael went,
who the fuck is this guy?

Speaker 3 (01:00:12):
No?

Speaker 2 (01:00:12):
I think that's true. That is that is true?

Speaker 1 (01:00:14):
Well they said the house is only half a mile away.
Maybe Michael had a snack in the van. Oh, he's like,
you know what, I'm gonna go get a snack.

Speaker 2 (01:00:22):
Before I continue.

Speaker 1 (01:00:23):
It's like that head blowing up.

Speaker 2 (01:00:25):
Maybe I got it.

Speaker 1 (01:00:27):
The head blowing up. Put too much blood and viscera
on his mask. Oh, and he's like, I gotta go
to the van and get my second mask. Yeah, I
gotta I need a clean mask. I can't walk around
with guts all over my face. It's not gonna look scary.

Speaker 2 (01:00:42):
That you're That's exactly what happened.

Speaker 1 (01:00:45):
I'm sure there was a scene. Daniel Ferrins, let us know.
Was there a scene where Michael goes, actually, uh, can
you grab me my Michael Myers mask? There? It's yeah,
don't worry about it. He blows up the head, blood
gets everywhere Michael goes, and then he walked down the street,

(01:01:12):
got in the van, took it off, put another one on,
check the mirror, and went like this. And then Barry
got in the van. He went.

Speaker 3 (01:01:24):
Perfect, that's exactly what happened, and he goes, oh god, yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:01:39):
You know what's good for podcasts?

Speaker 1 (01:01:41):
You know what? The audio listeners probably love Joey c
prop comedy that they can't see. I bet you they
love it. I bet you they're in their car right
now going what does he do with dude?

Speaker 2 (01:01:53):
There was like thirty seconds of silence and what.

Speaker 1 (01:01:55):
Is Joey laughing at it? You're gonna have to watch
the YouTube version. Sorry, Okay, So he killed Barry and
then he shrung him up in a tree. But like
there's hundreds of people around there and there's lights everywhere.

Speaker 2 (01:02:12):
Yeah, he just strung him up with like Christmas lights.

Speaker 1 (01:02:15):
Ye. Yeah, that's the weird thing. So he put this
body with lights and then he hung it up on
a tree surrounded by everybody, Like, how did that happen?

Speaker 2 (01:02:21):
How did he get away with that?

Speaker 1 (01:02:23):
Uh? But there's a little girl going, mommy, it's raining red,
it's warm, and then Barry falls and everyone freaks out.
This is not helping Beth's let's bring Halloween back to
Michael Myers's dead plan. But she isn't there to witness
any of this because she went to the Myers house
with Tim and he lets her know about uh, she

(01:02:46):
lets him know about all the murders that happened, and
then they have sex on Kara's bed and she goes,
your sister would kill us if she knew we did
it into your bed in her bed, and he goes,
it's your idea, And I was like, did not have
his own bedroom?

Speaker 2 (01:03:03):
I was gonna say, his bedroom is probably five feet
that way. Yeah, maybe it's like a I don't know.
Maybe the girl liked it. I don't know.

Speaker 1 (01:03:11):
I don't know. Hey, remember when I wonder if there
was more thorn research cut out because Cara was told
to just look across the street and she didn't see
all the electricity going on and off or hear an explosion,
and she didn't see all of those candles being lit
and them porking in her room.

Speaker 2 (01:03:31):
Interesting, what is she doing there?

Speaker 1 (01:03:33):
I know she has the baby, but supposed to be
in front of the window watching.

Speaker 2 (01:03:36):
Yeah, that is a good point. What was she doing?
I don't know. Unbelievable.

Speaker 1 (01:03:42):
What I do know is that Michael Meyers hands Tim Oftel.

Speaker 2 (01:03:47):
In the shower. That's a great fucking gag.

Speaker 1 (01:03:50):
They did that in Justice League. Batman hands Amanda Waller
a towel while she's showering. Tim Dice, Yep, I guess
they didn't. They didn't know how to spice up this kill,
because he just gets his throat slashed in a foggy
like mirror.

Speaker 3 (01:04:05):
Yeah, it doesn't even and he's like rubbing the mirror
to get the fog off here.

Speaker 1 (01:04:08):
Yeah, it's just like, do you think they try to
make him blow up there too?

Speaker 3 (01:04:12):
They probably did. That's probably exactly what they had in
mind for that.

Speaker 1 (01:04:16):
So then Karra calls the house and Beth answers, you
notice anything with any problem with the scene, because the
writer pointed out the problem with the scene. He caught
out his own issue. The power's out. Oh yeah, what

(01:04:37):
the fuck for you younger kids. She's using a landline. Now,
I know it looks like a cordless phone. You're gonna
think that's a big cell phone. Barry had a.

Speaker 2 (01:04:47):
Cell phone, Yes, Barry did have a self, but this is.

Speaker 1 (01:04:50):
Not a cell phone. This is a cordless telephone. Yes, yes,
that doesn't work. And the writer does say, he's like,
my only problem with the scene is that the phone
shouldn't work, and she's like, I never noticed that because
the bou It's not even like Michael turns some of
the power out, No, the electrical box, blue hose.

Speaker 3 (01:05:10):
Yeah, he killed fucking old Biff Tannin on it, dude,
Like holy shit.

Speaker 1 (01:05:17):
So yeah, Cara's like, you gotta get out of there.
She's watching the telescope and then Michael Myers comes in
and then stabs her, and then we get that sound,
the flashes and the choppy slow mode so fucking nine.

Speaker 2 (01:05:32):
So ridiculous, dude.

Speaker 1 (01:05:34):
But then she sees Danny going to the Meyers house
because he heard the voice, and Carra chases him. She
goes in there, much like Laurie. She finds all the
dead bodies everywhere, yep, like she finds them in her bed.
She finds her mom coming out of the attic. Luckily
she didn't go downstairs to find her dad's head everywhere.
I do like that.

Speaker 2 (01:05:54):
Michael pulls the axe out of her mom. Yeah yeah,
great touch.

Speaker 1 (01:06:00):
She knocks it down the stairs with the fire poker.
He like wakes up for like a second when she's
trying to get out of there, and then they run
across the street and we got another similar scene to
Laurie yep, but.

Speaker 2 (01:06:09):
With rock and roll guitar us.

Speaker 1 (01:06:13):
I'm gonna add this music into the original scene and
see how it sounds. Yeah, everyone is together in one room, Tommy, Loomis,
all of them, and Tommy says like, where'd the baby go?
You had to have told someone. Loom's like, I only
told Joe. No, it's tearing swing. He's the man in black.

Speaker 2 (01:06:41):
What a twist?

Speaker 1 (01:06:42):
What a twist? He's like, Yes, I am the man
in black, and Danny's gonna hang out with me. There's
a bunch of cult members chasing them throughout the house.
Missus blank and Chit is one of them. And then
Carrot jumps out a window. What was her plan when she.

Speaker 3 (01:07:00):
To fall two stories right on her face in the grass? Yeah,
and not get hurt. Clearly it would have broke every
bone in her body.

Speaker 1 (01:07:08):
Yeah, huh, it was funny. On the commentary, the actress
said that her mom called her, It's like, my favorite
thing that you did was jump out that window, and
she had to be like, well, that was my stunt, lady,
So I'm glad your favorite part of my performance was
someone else playing. So Tommy and Loomis wake up because
they were drugged and the cult left them alive because

(01:07:30):
oh yeah, this is his game and I know where
he wants to play it.

Speaker 3 (01:07:36):
Yeah, it's like, okay, yeah whatever.

Speaker 1 (01:07:40):
I feel like keeping you alive is a liability.

Speaker 2 (01:07:43):
Yeah, I would imagine so.

Speaker 1 (01:07:45):
In both versions. I know the next version or sort
of a reason to keep Loomis alive.

Speaker 2 (01:07:50):
Not Tommy, No, no, not Tommy at all.

Speaker 1 (01:07:53):
Yeah. Uh yeah. Cara wakes up in the asylum and
she hears screaming. Loom ignores something Tommy's gonna say. On
their way to Win's office. He's like, I gotta do this.
He's like, eh, you wait here, I got some shit
to do. And we see Tommy holding a little baggy.
We don't know what that bag is Nope, but he's

(01:08:16):
got it. He seems really uh a uh. This will
never get investigated, No, never, but will he but he will,
or it will never get explained. And then he investigates
a screen the same scream that he heard earlier. Winn
is in the office in his regular outfit and he
wants Loomis to join him, and Loomis is like, you're

(01:08:37):
a madman. I'll never join you, and then a cult
member bunks him on the head.

Speaker 2 (01:08:42):
Yep, just like that bunk.

Speaker 1 (01:08:45):
Tommy breaks into a maximum security wing, like he just
opens the door, goes maximums and he finds a crazy
lady who was stabbed by Michael, I guess.

Speaker 3 (01:08:58):
But somehow still happy to pass on the message.

Speaker 1 (01:09:02):
He's very.

Speaker 2 (01:09:07):
Yes of something, Yeah, whatever that is.

Speaker 1 (01:09:12):
Michael killed her and now he's gonna kill Karen. Tommy,
you know the cult wanted them there.

Speaker 2 (01:09:25):
Yep, you got it.

Speaker 1 (01:09:26):
Okay, huh so Tommy's able to break the door. I
do like when Michael comes out of the shadows. Yeah,
she's really cool. At this point, he's played by a
different actor Michael, yes, because he's like, noticely slimmer.

Speaker 3 (01:09:38):
I was going to say they I think they wanted
us someone slimmer.

Speaker 2 (01:09:42):
That's wild, Which is.

Speaker 1 (01:09:43):
Funny because, according to the commentary coming up, the one
with the doctors, George wilbur is one of the doctors.

Speaker 2 (01:09:49):
Yeah he is.

Speaker 1 (01:09:50):
Yeah, why not just keep the guy who's been playing
him the whole time?

Speaker 2 (01:09:56):
Seems like an unnecessary change, But.

Speaker 1 (01:10:01):
So yeah, he gets carry out. He like breaks the
door down, he shoots Michael with something.

Speaker 3 (01:10:08):
It's I don't know, some Freddy versus Jason Jason bullshit, Yeah,
of chemicals.

Speaker 1 (01:10:13):
Oh no, no, no, that's later. That's later. This is
like he's got like a gun that shoots him when
he threw the bars.

Speaker 2 (01:10:19):
Oh that's right.

Speaker 1 (01:10:20):
Yeah yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:10:20):
I just assume it was like like a riot gear.

Speaker 1 (01:10:23):
Yeah, that's what it looked like. So he shoots him.
Basement full of pipes, yep. I thought he would just
go back the way he came. I guess they're looking
for Danny, but they're in a basement full of pipes,
which leads them to another hospital room where the colt
is gonna experiment on the baby. And then doctor Wynn

(01:10:49):
tells the guy that take the cult robe off because
Halloween's over, and it's like, are they not a cult?
And they're there with like shady looking corporate government people.

Speaker 2 (01:11:00):
I just assumed, here's here's.

Speaker 1 (01:11:02):
Something I never thought of before, and tis in the commentary.
You know, it was really big in the nineties, the
X Files. Ah, I'm starting to feel like a lot
of the ship we're about to see was very X
Files influenced, Like they're gonna experiment on this evil born
baby that might not be fully human.

Speaker 3 (01:11:23):
Well, I just assumed that they were doing that to
see if they could recreate Michael Myers.

Speaker 1 (01:11:27):
Especially with the next scene that's coming up. Yeah. So Michael,
who's been on board with the cult the whole time,
decides I'm gonna kill everyone.

Speaker 2 (01:11:40):
Yeah in a interesting fashion.

Speaker 1 (01:11:44):
Yeah, picks up a big knife and then he hits
a strobe light. Yep. He hits a strobe light yep,
and he kills everyone. I think doctor Wing gets killed.

Speaker 2 (01:11:53):
Well, you would think, how could you not tell? You can't.

Speaker 1 (01:11:58):
Yeah, you can't see anything. You see him back up
at some point he's in red, but then I don't
know if we ever see him actually get killed.

Speaker 2 (01:12:05):
I think it's just assume that everybody in that room
is dead.

Speaker 1 (01:12:08):
Except for the one guy who runs out, who is
the stuntman's dad. Yes, because I think there are both
stunt guys. So they're running through the hallway again. They
locked the door, and I like that. Michael shoves the
guy's head through the frickin' bars and it slices it
into three. If you see when the door falls, a
piece of his head falls on top of him.

Speaker 2 (01:12:31):
I'm surprised they didn't show that more.

Speaker 1 (01:12:33):
Yeah. Yeah, and then they run into a room full
of fetuses with DNA readouts and thorn cymbols on them,
fetuses in aquariums in like a little big room or
a big room. And then the writer, So the writer
didn't write this, He did not write that, He did

(01:12:55):
not write a lot of this. He's the credit writer.
But who knows who the hell wrote this? He said
he tried to ask what the hell was going on?
And also no one knew what was going on, and
they would just say it's science meets superstition, and then
they wouldn't elaborate. But I think you're right. I think
they're trying to imply that the Thorn Cult was trying

(01:13:16):
to clone Michael Myers.

Speaker 3 (01:13:18):
Yes, well I think they were also using that as
a subtle explanation of where the baby came from.

Speaker 2 (01:13:26):
Yes, that too, which will be explained.

Speaker 1 (01:13:29):
But then then it's like this weird thing is like,
so is it a magic cult thing or is it science?
Or is science manipulating the magic cult stuff? Were they
just pretending to be a cult to get harnessed this power?
And did Michael figure it out? And that's why he's
killing them because they're not really cult members. This would
be interesting if it was well written and explained. But

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this is what happens when you rewrite your movie all
not like the next version is going to make much
more spe So, yeah, he chases them in there. They
trick him and they hit him with syringes full of green.
Who knows what the hell's in them? Uh? And he

(01:14:13):
fights Karen Tommy for a bit and they take turns
slapping him with the pipe. Uh. Yeah, So Karen Danny
get out of there with the baby Loomis. They remember
Loomis Is in the movie. He shoots the lock to
help them, and Tommy stays behind to beat up Michael.

Speaker 2 (01:14:29):
Oh my god.

Speaker 1 (01:14:30):
And he can't just every time he hits them with
the pipe, it has to be a flash of something.

Speaker 2 (01:14:35):
Yep.

Speaker 1 (01:14:36):
And I think because they hit him with the chemicals,
that's why it's easy to beat Michael now. And I
like that he's about to stop and he comes back
and he beats him again, and it's super music video flashing.
It'll cut to like the mask oozing green juice, Like
is that the green juice they put it in?

Speaker 3 (01:14:53):
But then just a separate green that's what his blood
is now. Yeah, it was so weird. It's like, Okay,
well you just hit him with the pipe a lot.
That did you kill him?

Speaker 1 (01:15:10):
Because earlier he's like, you know that can't kill Michael.
He's like, I don't think a pipe can kill Michael.
You should like cut his head off or something exactly.
You should absolutely cut I'm in a big grinder, like
Halloween ends, do something.

Speaker 2 (01:15:21):
You can pull out the haymaker again, pull.

Speaker 1 (01:15:23):
Out the haymaker. So they escape and then they tell
Loomis to come with them where I don't know, and
he goes, I have some business to attend to here,
and then he walks in and we see Michael's mask
on the ground and Loomis screaming in memory of Donald Pleasant's.

Speaker 2 (01:15:46):
Yep, rest in peace.

Speaker 1 (01:15:48):
So that was the theatrical cut. It's a bit of
a mess, ye a bit, but you know, this is
what they thought would be the best for public audiences.

Speaker 2 (01:15:58):
Interesting.

Speaker 1 (01:16:00):
Fortunately, you know, they couldn't do any extra scenes with
doctor Loomis because Donald Pleasants died before they could do
any reshoots.

Speaker 2 (01:16:07):
Yeah, way before.

Speaker 1 (01:16:08):
I think, Yeah, he went in for like a heart thing,
and I think there was a complication with like a
heart surgery or something. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:16:13):
Also he was old, but yeah, he's very old.

Speaker 1 (01:16:17):
Yeah. So unfortunately they were not able to get Donald
Plez back, so that was the hard part when they
had to rewrite the movie, and then they don't have
one of the main guys, although the producers wanted to
limit him anyways. So now it's just out of all
the movies like Doctor Loomis and this is kind of there.

Speaker 2 (01:16:33):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:16:35):
But let's talk about the Producers Cut, which again you
never saw.

Speaker 2 (01:16:43):
I never never even heard of until yep, Tie Weeks.
I used to be on the Halloween forums.

Speaker 1 (01:16:48):
I used to hunt down clips of these scenes on
the Internet that were like horrible quality because they were
vhs transferred to the Internet in two thousand and two,
so they looked really bad.

Speaker 2 (01:17:00):
I want to see the producers cut one day. It'll
probably work.

Speaker 1 (01:17:02):
A lot better. Yeah, and again you were able to
find bootleg tapes and stuff. But like shout Factory with this,
Really they did it a few years earlier. This is
the new four K release?

Speaker 2 (01:17:12):
Is this included in that?

Speaker 1 (01:17:13):
Yes? Oh really, yes, but they released it earlier, like
I want to say, twenty fourteen, they put out the
Producer's cut officially.

Speaker 2 (01:17:22):
Okay, it was that the first time you saw.

Speaker 1 (01:17:24):
It in completion ye ye, yes, yes, at least in
high definition. Yeah right, and yeah, so let's let's see
what's different in this version. So the beginning, different music
and less frantic editing. Actually there's no crazy music video
style flashing editing. It's a little bit more calmer. Yep.

(01:17:48):
When they're bringing Jamie through the corridor and everything, it's
a little creepier. It's building like atmosphere and mood. It's
not just new font too, Yeah, new font. It's I
think it's this, Yes it is.

Speaker 2 (01:18:02):
Yes, Wow, it doesn't hurt too much but sound good.

Speaker 1 (01:18:09):
One time where I slammed it slightly different narration, but
this time it's doctor Loomis doing the narration.

Speaker 2 (01:18:17):
He needed to wipe out his entire family.

Speaker 1 (01:18:22):
Let me get the flashback after the birthing scene where
they show the man in Black having cowboy spurs.

Speaker 2 (01:18:28):
Yeah, because he had them in five Yeah, he did
have them in fire and they I.

Speaker 1 (01:18:32):
Guess when they originally shot him, Like we have to
show that it's the same guy. But then someone must
have been like, what the fuck are the spurs? Yeah,
so Halloween, like the theatrical cut makes sure to cut
around all the spurs.

Speaker 2 (01:18:43):
This one shows it this one shows it.

Speaker 1 (01:18:45):
So he takes the baby. We get a flashback to
what happened at the end of five YEP with the
new scene where they shoved Michael into a van. Yes,
the cult members are just floading him into the van
and then they kidnap Jamie.

Speaker 2 (01:18:57):
You forgot a very important one. Paul. Stephen Rudd is
no longer Steven.

Speaker 1 (01:19:02):
It's just Paul, Paul.

Speaker 2 (01:19:04):
He came to his senses finally. No middle initials here.

Speaker 1 (01:19:08):
Man, I do like when he first chases uh, Jamie,
there's a shot of like Michael shadow opening up like
a door and going in. There's some POV shots here too.
The pacing is a lot better. Yes, it's slower in
like a good way that builds suspense. It's not just
flash flash flash cut to the next kill, flash flash.

(01:19:31):
It takes it's time. It takes its time, and in
this scene when he snaps the trucker's neck, it's just
a next step.

Speaker 3 (01:19:38):
Yeah, just a simple, simple kill. So still stupid, but
it's not like it's much better. No, like why was
that guy even out there? But it's not like gratuitous
just well, it doesn't show the it doesn't show the
spine the blood nothing literally just the spin.

Speaker 2 (01:19:54):
Of the neck.

Speaker 1 (01:19:54):
Okay, and then it kind of plays out the same again,
just with a different score.

Speaker 3 (01:19:58):
Ye.

Speaker 1 (01:19:59):
I do really like Allen ho Worth score for this.

Speaker 3 (01:20:01):
Yeah, well this is they they use the original music.
That's not the heavy metal or yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:20:06):
Yes, I mean it's a new composition, but yeah, it's
more like the original one. Yeah. But there's a lot
of haunting score later on that sounds similar to another movie.
But I'll get to that part. So when we cut
to uh, Danny's house like Carra's house, we hear the
spurs of the mandam black while the camera goes up
to the door.

Speaker 2 (01:20:25):
I'm like, Okay, that's connecting.

Speaker 1 (01:20:28):
This whole like mystery element to that. And I really
like the moment we get with Karen and Danny where
she's being a mom yeah, or it's not just like
shut up, Danny, go to sleep. She does like a
whole thing like get away ghouls. She's like trying to
like you. Yeah yeah, like, oh, that's like a nice
moment mother son moment to help build their characters a

(01:20:50):
little bit more, not that there's any fixing it. Again,
they cut out all of her stuff in the script,
so none of her big stuff got shut. So we
get some slight different calls into the radio. I didn't
really make a note of like how different they were,
able to remember any of them. No, I just know
some of them were alone.

Speaker 2 (01:21:07):
Yeah, they were a bit different.

Speaker 1 (01:21:09):
Yeah. And then Loomis mentions this plastic surgery.

Speaker 2 (01:21:13):
Yep, finally we finally got an explanation.

Speaker 1 (01:21:15):
He's like, I got plastic surgeries and skin grafts. Uh,
costs a fortune, but at least I don't frighten people anymore.
Classic and then here he mentions like why he retired.
He's like, I had a stroke yep. And he's like,
they had to put a gun to my head to
get me to retire, and Wynn is just like, we
really want Winn mentions in this one. I don't think

(01:21:37):
he mentions the other version that he's going to retire. No, No,
he doesn't mention it as the head of Smith's Grove,
and he wants Loomis to replace him, Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:21:44):
Which is weird because Loomis is older.

Speaker 1 (01:21:46):
Loomis is older, doesn't want to do it, and he
looks like he's been through a lot.

Speaker 2 (01:21:50):
Yeah exactly.

Speaker 1 (01:21:51):
I'm like, I don't want him to replace me, and
there's just like a few extra scenes with them. Loomis
begs Win in this version to like help them find Michael. Yeah,
and they have a shot of him pulling out the gun. Yeah.
The producer like, I guess the wine scene because the
producers I think this is like the ACADs who did
this version, but like the wine scenes were just like,
get the fuck rid of Loomis.

Speaker 2 (01:22:11):
Yes, old and boring.

Speaker 1 (01:22:14):
So Jamie when she gets to the farm, no Haymaker,
no Haymaker, no Haymaker. She just gets stabbed by Michael,
who then just leaves her alive.

Speaker 3 (01:22:23):
Yeah, she just gets stabbed off screen and then falls
over and then she said like, oh, you can't have
the baby, Michael.

Speaker 1 (01:22:28):
Again, have the baby. I don't know if this is
like he can only kill her on Halloweens. So he
just stabbed her because I think he needs to kill
his family on Halloween.

Speaker 2 (01:22:38):
Oh that that may be true.

Speaker 1 (01:22:41):
Yeah, I don't know. Maybe that's what it was. I'm
not sure. But he leaves her and then you know,
looks for the baby. Baby's not there. So then later
on we're back at the hospital and when finds out
that Jamie is in another hospital, and he tells his
secretary who there's like more of a scene what the
secretary knows who loomis is? Yeah, and he's like, oh,
it's an honor me. She's like they found the body.

(01:23:02):
She's in griddle condition. He goes lock down the hospital
and I'm like what okay, but he mentions the Loom.
He's like, I'm gonna bring him back alive. I want
him to come back here alive. And I'm like, I
don't know. I really I don't think the insanity plea
is gonna really work on this time. Okay. So there's
an extended scene of Tim talking to his friend on

(01:23:24):
the phone while he's making the little shake for Danny,
and he's using like all the nineties slang. He's like,
it's weird because he's dressed like a grunge guy, but
he's using all hip hop. Yeah, he's my homeboy from
Detroit or from Chicago.

Speaker 2 (01:23:39):
Yeah, yo, gee, what's up there? Was my homeboy from Chicago.

Speaker 1 (01:23:43):
Look, you just bring a pass tonight and we'll hook
you up. G and then like yeah, Danny's like sup gee,
And I'm like, you guys are confusing me. I'm confused
about what you're trying to do here, puller opposites, but yeah,
he's ultimate nineties. Yeah yeah, uh. This time, when Danny

(01:24:03):
pulls the knife on his grandfather, he hears the voice
and he sees Mikey's outside, and that's kind of like
the evil trying to possess him.

Speaker 2 (01:24:12):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:24:12):
Also in that scene, we see that Deborah slides her
money that you don't you don't. That shot is taken
out of the theatrical version because remember the dad is like,
just give her all our money.

Speaker 2 (01:24:26):
He shows the money.

Speaker 3 (01:24:27):
In the theatrical version, you don't see the shot of
the money being paided.

Speaker 1 (01:24:31):
Do they not do a close up?

Speaker 3 (01:24:32):
They literally it just shows like the mom going like this,
It doesn't actually show that it's money. So in the
original you're like, why the fuck is a dad freaking out?

Speaker 1 (01:24:42):
I have to compare them.

Speaker 2 (01:24:43):
It's wild, dude, it's really wild.

Speaker 1 (01:24:46):
Let me know if I'm remembering this right. Does he
say that she's not my little girl anymore when he's
looking out the window.

Speaker 3 (01:24:53):
Yeah, yes, she's not my daughter anymore. That is that
does ring a bell?

Speaker 1 (01:24:59):
Okay, which, so let's talk about it. We're not up
to the one particular scene, but One of the criticisms
of this version of the movie is that it's implied
that Michael impregnated Jamie, which the writer swears was not
his intention. The way it's filmed kind of suggests and

(01:25:19):
we'll talk about it when we get to that scene.
But like he swears that it wasn't doing an incess thing.
And I'll give you his explanation. Problem is there's this
thing with the dad where he gets a little creepy
with this she's not my little girl anymore. And then
they mentioned that she wasn't around in five years and
she came back with the kid. Assuming that it makes

(01:25:41):
it sound like the kid wasn't around before the five
years and she came back, and people have kind of
pieced together depending on the kid. I don't know what
the kid's age is supposed to be, but some people
were like, oh, is the dad Danny's dad? Is there
like a creepy thing happening here. It's uncomfortable and you
guys might think I've been reading into it. We'll get

(01:26:03):
to another scene that kind of backs up when I'm
trying to say here, yep uh. That's why the writer
is so adamant that Michael is not the literal father
and everything. But I'm like, yeah, but I'm picking up
on what you're dropping here, and I'm starting to think
that maybe you're full of shit. Oh there's no dumb
jump scare.

Speaker 3 (01:26:23):
When Tim Hugsbeth, thank god, it's just a huge, just simple,
simple shots, none of that bullshit.

Speaker 1 (01:26:29):
When we came in today and I gave you hug,
I meant handshake.

Speaker 3 (01:26:33):
Handshake, that's right, I'd be gay.

Speaker 1 (01:26:38):
But if we did hug, it would have been weird,
if there was just a sound spooked.

Speaker 3 (01:26:44):
Yes.

Speaker 1 (01:26:45):
Instead we did a handshake and like cheerleaders were behind
us telling us how cool we were. They just they
just always swing by my house that I'm doing.

Speaker 2 (01:26:54):
Yeah, there's a lot of women around here. When I first.

Speaker 1 (01:26:58):
So, Loomis finds Jamie's and I like that. The local
police are like, get out, get out now. Every time
you're here, everything gets fucked. Please leave, and he's like,
you're all gonna die, and the sheriff should be like, yeah,
probably that's kind Before back to back, I can't do
this anymore. But yeah, again, the scenes are allowed to

(01:27:21):
breathe in this version. It's not just hurrying up and
getting to the next thing, like you need the scene
so we know why this characters here and cut short cut,
gets to the next thing, gets the next thing. It's
nice when movies can breathe. So then they add more
moments of Cara, like being stalked at the campuses where
you don't see anything until the very end where you
realize Michael is there. But it's just a nice suspense

(01:27:44):
building thing and again reminds you the original where a
lot of that movie is just Luri being followed yep,
and not realizing it or having a feeling she is,
but not being able to prove it. Uh So I
like that moment. Yeah, like the moment. It's something. And
again probably important stuff for their character was being cut
out here and there.

Speaker 2 (01:28:00):
Ye that we'll never know.

Speaker 1 (01:28:03):
We'll never know unless unless we get the original script.
Loomis and Tommy talk a little bit more, and now
we know the reason Louis he's at the hospital because
Jamie is there in critical condition.

Speaker 2 (01:28:14):
Makes so much sense, whereas before he's just.

Speaker 1 (01:28:18):
Like and then we get even more Loomis and Deborah
talking and while they're talking, it cuts to Jamie like
getting the knife pulled out of her, and then stitching
her up. Uh, so there's added stuff there. So here
we go. When the dad is drinking at work and
does the phone call, he hangs up and then he

(01:28:39):
pulls out a picture of Karra and he goes, Happy Halloween,
little girl.

Speaker 2 (01:28:46):
I'm like, yeah, is that necessary?

Speaker 1 (01:28:50):
And I'm like, oh man, it's just like Chinatown the
fun I don't like it. I don't like it. It's so creepy.
It makes him so unlikable.

Speaker 2 (01:29:06):
He already is so unlikable.

Speaker 1 (01:29:08):
I know.

Speaker 2 (01:29:09):
Oh my god.

Speaker 1 (01:29:13):
Then we uh get to see Jamie in the hospital
and she has the memory of being impregnated, and this
scene is very Rosemary's Baby. He took a lot of
inspiration for Rosemary's Baby. I love how it shot with
like the man in black looks like he's Levity.

Speaker 2 (01:29:28):
Yeah, that is super cool.

Speaker 1 (01:29:29):
It's like black and white. And the music that Allen
Howarth wrote here sounds a lot like the score of
the seventies not Speratu.

Speaker 2 (01:29:37):
Yes, I don't know if you ever saw that one
hez one.

Speaker 1 (01:29:50):
It sounds almost exactly like the score.

Speaker 2 (01:29:52):
For that thought.

Speaker 1 (01:29:52):
Oh that's pretty which I reviewed that I reviewed The
seventies not to on Lina's channel the Beautiful Dead podcast,
and I reviewed this perior sequel, nos Feratu in Venice.
That's right, he came back to go to Italy gave
us Sky's a hard time. You know who's in Nosferato
and Venice, Donald Pleasant Perfect the movie spoiler, The movies

(01:30:19):
are not related. It's just they hired the same actor
to play the count. So people are like, because it's
supposed to be called Vampire in Venice. But you know
how Italians love to make fake sequels. They're like, well,
that guy played Osrado calls one that is on Patreon
or if become a channel. Remember, Yeah, it was a
fun one. It was a really fun one. It's a
mess of a movie. I kind of like it, but

(01:30:41):
it's a mess of a movie. Uh yeah. So this scene,
So what he says is that this was supposed to
be like Rosemary's Baby, were like the evil impregnacer. So
whatever ceremony they're doing is like putting the evil in her. Okay,
it's supposed to be intentionally like mysterious, like you don't

(01:31:04):
know the specifics of it. The problem is there's a
shot of Michael there and Jamie's screaming, and the way
it shot. Heavily suggests that maybe Michael is doing I
don't know if he can have sex. That seems a
little weird.

Speaker 2 (01:31:20):
Uh.

Speaker 1 (01:31:22):
I could see if they like inseminated her because oh
so I don't like the idea of them pulling like
man juice out.

Speaker 2 (01:31:28):
Of Michael, because that's that's her uncle, right. Yeah, yeah,
my god, dude.

Speaker 1 (01:31:35):
Yeah, supposed to be mysterious, like the evil deity Thorn
was putting this evil in her or whatever. But again
he swears up and down not his intention. Unfortunately, it's
how it plays off. A really really creepy scene. Yes,
and then the man in black shoots Jamie in the
fucking head and says her work is done.

Speaker 2 (01:31:56):
God damn.

Speaker 1 (01:31:58):
But was it Michael supposed to kill his family?

Speaker 2 (01:32:03):
Maybe he couldn't. Maybe he was. He was tied up
with another kill.

Speaker 1 (01:32:08):
I guess. I guess the baby's warned.

Speaker 3 (01:32:10):
The baby was more important in that particular scene. The
man in black just said to tie up loose ends.

Speaker 1 (01:32:16):
Yeah, you know, Loomis feels like he's failed. Yeah, he's like,
I failed you, Jamie. Uh. And then Tommy is talking
about runs again, but this time he.

Speaker 3 (01:32:26):
Shows his magic rocks, his magic rocks so great.

Speaker 1 (01:32:31):
He's got that little Palchi had were magic rocks with
little symbols on them.

Speaker 2 (01:32:36):
His roun makes so much sense now.

Speaker 1 (01:32:40):
And then he tries to justify why Michael wants to
kill the Strodes, and he goes he's convinced to anyone
living in his house is his family.

Speaker 2 (01:32:52):
Okay, interesting.

Speaker 1 (01:32:58):
Now. I don't know how I feel about this, because
I want to say that's really stupid. But as we
all know, I'm the number one Halloween res tard. I
love Resurrection res Tard number one, and the plot of
that movie was like.

Speaker 2 (01:33:11):
Who are all these people in my house? I finally
killed my sister.

Speaker 1 (01:33:15):
I want to lay back and relax. At some point
I got to kill Josh Hartnett, but he's not in
this movie.

Speaker 2 (01:33:21):
Yep, And all these people are in my house? What's
going on here?

Speaker 1 (01:33:25):
But yeah, that just seems like an excuse to have
the family there. It's so dumb.

Speaker 2 (01:33:30):
It's so dumb, very dumb.

Speaker 1 (01:33:32):
The dag gets killed this time. He does get impaled,
he does get electrocuted, but he doesn't blow up.

Speaker 2 (01:33:37):
It's very low key. It's a very simple kill.

Speaker 1 (01:33:43):
I like the explosion war, and I spices it up
a little bit exactly. It's almost a little too much,
but I kind of take it.

Speaker 3 (01:33:51):
It's like it's like when he blows up too, It's like,
it's just fun.

Speaker 2 (01:33:56):
It's fun. Man so good. I fucking love that movie
so much.

Speaker 1 (01:34:00):
The campus rally when Barry Simms is discovered, the girl
now sings the lines it's raining red.

Speaker 2 (01:34:05):
Not sure why they changed that.

Speaker 1 (01:34:07):
It's raining rid, it's rain. Beth's death is a little
bit better when it's not flashing and choppy slow mo
and stuff.

Speaker 2 (01:34:17):
It's just a very simple shot, just like it sounds
like a parrot half the time.

Speaker 1 (01:34:30):
The man in black reveals himself and then it cuts
to kra in the dungeon.

Speaker 3 (01:34:37):
There.

Speaker 1 (01:34:38):
I don't think there's any jumping out of the window
or anything in this version. Is there?

Speaker 2 (01:34:42):
I thought there was. I think there is.

Speaker 3 (01:34:46):
That shot is still the same, but I think some
of the dialogue after the jump is extended a little bit.

Speaker 1 (01:34:55):
The jump is in there, but after that it's almost
like ampletely different movie. Yep, absolutely so, here's what happens
in the producers cut. Cara wakes up, she's in the
dungeon in like the ceremonial dress Tommy talks about his
runs with Loomis when they go Oh, in the theatrical cut,
they go to Smith's Grove and it's like this giant

(01:35:17):
modern building and this one it looks like an.

Speaker 2 (01:35:19):
Old Yes, it doesn't make sense because.

Speaker 1 (01:35:22):
Then it doesn't really go one from the seventies. No. See,
I don't know why that change was there, but yeah,
it tells him that there's ruins of light that can
cancel out the darkness in Michael. And he's just like,
that's cool, Tommy, I gotta go kill wyn You still here?

(01:35:42):
So Win meets with Loomis. Yeah, Loomis meets with Wynn,
who's in his.

Speaker 2 (01:35:46):
Like cult leader out completely reshot.

Speaker 1 (01:35:48):
And in this version he's super cult guy. He's not
like pretend cult.

Speaker 2 (01:35:52):
Yeah, he's not like a suit or anything.

Speaker 1 (01:35:54):
Yeah, and he's like, we have to do this to
stop famine and everything. That's why the world is so
bad because Michael hasn't finished his mission. We gave Michael
this power and now we're gonna give it to another.

Speaker 3 (01:36:06):
It's like the Omen the New Old Movie where it's like, oh,
we brought the Son of the Devil back to get
people back in church or whatever.

Speaker 2 (01:36:13):
Like, what kind of ass backwards thing, dude?

Speaker 1 (01:36:17):
So uh so yeah, but now he's just like, so,
I've been Michael's caretaker. I've been protecting him and everything
to make sure he finish his mission. He's not doing
a good job.

Speaker 2 (01:36:26):
No, he's doing terrible.

Speaker 3 (01:36:28):
Uh.

Speaker 1 (01:36:28):
And he's like, Loomis, I want you to be the
next one, the next caretaker. I think he says for Michael,
but I think it's more implied Danny. Well, I want
you to be that for Danny. Oh, there's a plane.
I thought my.

Speaker 3 (01:36:41):
Phone was always like what the fuck is going on here?
It's like, is there a blender on?

Speaker 1 (01:36:46):
Tommy follows a cult leader to where the ceremony is
gonna happen. He takes his robe. Michael is attending the ceremony,
He's just sitting.

Speaker 2 (01:36:54):
There, staying there watching.

Speaker 1 (01:36:57):
What are you doing things? No one never asked like
why does Michael dress like that? Why isn't he in
any cult robes? Why is he still in the mechanic jumpsuit?
He's been here for five years. Why don't you guys
give him.

Speaker 3 (01:37:09):
Like, yeah, give him another change of clothes, my jeans,
lounge and clothes with.

Speaker 1 (01:37:14):
A T shirt or something like he just really likes
the mechanic outphit and we were once in the seventies
and decided that was all.

Speaker 2 (01:37:19):
You ever gonna wear? Oh was it?

Speaker 3 (01:37:23):
So?

Speaker 1 (01:37:23):
Yeah, they want him to kill the baby and then
passed the curse over to Danny, who will then kill
his mom. Yeah, but then the rest of his family's dead.
So I guess that's a two for one prophecy fulfillment
in one night. I don't know, unless there's more Stroans out.

Speaker 2 (01:37:37):
There, there could be, Yeah, I'm sure there is.

Speaker 1 (01:37:41):
But she tells Michael that the baby is his. Michael,
the baby is yours, isn't it?

Speaker 2 (01:37:49):
Isn't it?

Speaker 1 (01:37:49):
Michael? Do you see why people are confused that they
think it's Michael's the literal father because the movie keeps
telling us it's the literal father.

Speaker 2 (01:37:59):
Yep.

Speaker 1 (01:38:00):
She could just mean like it's belongs to you or whatever. So, yeah,
she's trying to reason with Michael. It's not really working.
Tommy holds win hostage. Yeah, and he's like, you should
join us, you have talent. I'm like with what, Yeah,
literally nothing there They escape and I do like all
the members of the hospital are there to be revealed.

Speaker 2 (01:38:21):
Yeah, this is blanket.

Speaker 1 (01:38:23):
Sh it's there.

Speaker 2 (01:38:23):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:38:24):
Uh so, yeah, they run away, they try to outrun Michael,
and then here is if he saw Like some of
this footage with Loomis saving all of them is from
this version, and they had to cut around what Tommy
was doing because Tommy's in like his thorn outfit and
he puts his magic rocks on the ground and then

(01:38:45):
he cuts his hand, he slices and then he says
Sam Maine and that freezes Michael. Yep, his brain turns off. Yep.

Speaker 2 (01:38:53):
Apparently.

Speaker 1 (01:38:54):
Yeah, they canceled out the el okay magic rocks, magic rocks.

Speaker 3 (01:39:03):
And a.

Speaker 2 (01:39:05):
Witch's spell, very simple stuff.

Speaker 1 (01:39:10):
So yeah, then the movie kind of plays ouf how
it did, Loomis tells in this version. Loomis tells him
to get as far away from Haddonfield as they can,
and he's like, you needna come with me. He's like,
I got something to attend to here. He wants to
go to Michael, and I would have been like, no, man,
you should leave here.

Speaker 3 (01:39:25):
Literally, by the way, the co members didn't die and
they're still in there.

Speaker 1 (01:39:30):
They're still in there, so he should be running away
because they're going to murder him. Also, where I guess.
I guess Winn was ready to leave town because he
put his Man in Black Alpha back on with the
spurs and he's like, he's like, he just wanders into
Michael and he's like, Michael, what did they do to you?

Speaker 3 (01:39:49):
Do?

Speaker 1 (01:39:49):
But I guess him entering the circle broke the spell
and now Michael wants to turn on Win.

Speaker 2 (01:40:01):
Okay, yep, yep. Now there's no explanation to that.

Speaker 3 (01:40:04):
I don't think, no, no, we just kind of accept it.

Speaker 1 (01:40:08):
Yes, And then Loomis comes in. Michael's on the ground now,
but it turns out he switched clothes with Win. Yes,
And then Win, who is dying, maybe passes the curse
onto Loomis, who then gets the tattoo and then hesitates
for a really long time, then starts.

Speaker 2 (01:40:27):
Screaming, screaming blood murder.

Speaker 1 (01:40:31):
Which is the screen they use for the theatrical ending
when he dies. And then we see Michael walk away
dresses the Man of Black and then they show that
he's not wearing the.

Speaker 2 (01:40:41):
Spurs exactly, thank god.

Speaker 1 (01:40:44):
But then Winn was also not wearing spurs, so where
did the spurs go? I don't know, uh, but yeah,
then escapes with him walking away into the light, and
that's in there. So the writer admits that it's not
a good ending, yeah, and that he wanted to change.

Speaker 3 (01:40:58):
It because he didn't write it either one of them, right, uh?

Speaker 1 (01:41:03):
Or did he write He might have wrote more of
this one, but even he wasn't really thrilled. Again, it
doesn't make sense. No, the whole sacrifice doesn't make sense
because it doesn't really work and we don't see any
evidence of it working. And then I get why does
Michael decide to turn on them? It doesn't nothing made

(01:41:23):
so it definitely needed to be rewritten and reshot. Yeah.
Now I don't know how you fix this thing, but
I know years ago, me and James did a video
on like what would we do to fix Halloween six?
With all the footage they had? And that was a
fun video. Go back and watch that. You know. That
was actually one of the early videos I did on
that channel, really before I was on Rent Reviews. You

(01:41:44):
could say that I was properly introduced a couple times
on Sine Massacre because then we also did what would
Halloween h four oh be? And then I did a
bunch of videos with Mike. I feel like I was
properly introduced a lot on that channel before I showed
up on Rent Room.

Speaker 2 (01:42:00):
I think you were Tony.

Speaker 1 (01:42:01):
I mean, it's a shame if people didn't watch those
videos and just assumed I came out of the thin air,
but I actually didn't. Anyway, if you're ever wondering why
we do the proper introduction bit on this, that's why. Anyway,
it's not a good ending. Neither version of this movie

(01:42:23):
is good. It can't be good. And I know it's
actually a lot similar to Alien three, but Alien three
works for me. Alien three has little flaws here and
there in both versions, but at least there is like
a beginning, middle end. At least there was a idea.
Just the atric version just cuts out too much. Superman

(01:42:44):
Superman two, it's at least there is an idea where
they were going, and the Superman two donor cut the
ending is kind of a letdown, but that was they
were limited on what they could do. So many years later,
this one's rougher because like they just never had a
really completed script.

Speaker 3 (01:43:00):
Just started filming and and changed it so many times.
I mean, they're filming and pulling out pages not to shoot.

Speaker 1 (01:43:06):
And then having reshoots when the one guy is dead, yeah,
and then also trying to cut him out of the movie,
but they can't cut him out too much, and then
changing their mind about the cult, but leaving so much
colt stuff in early on just to switch it to
maybe sci fi at the end.

Speaker 2 (01:43:22):
I don't know.

Speaker 3 (01:43:23):
And the Weinstein's wanted they had a completely different vision
for this movie.

Speaker 1 (01:43:28):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:43:28):
Then you know the writers per se or even the
original producers, they wanted to be completely gory, like super
like popular with like the young adults, if you will,
because those are like the major fans of horror movies
in there back then or even now today.

Speaker 2 (01:43:46):
But it's it's fucked.

Speaker 1 (01:43:50):
Neither version is great, but we are at that moment now.
Oh no, what do you think is the best Halloween six? Now?

Speaker 2 (01:43:59):
Hear me out.

Speaker 3 (01:44:00):
I'm gonna say the producer's cut. Now, if you want
a more cohesive story that somewhat makes sense until until
you're gonna watch the producer's cut. If you want a
movie that's more gory and edgy, crungey, it's the theatrical cut.

(01:44:28):
But I do think based on story, it has to
be the producer's cut for me, which shocks me because
I loved like the theatrical version of six growing up,
but rewatching the producer's cut for the first time last
week was fucking it was.

Speaker 1 (01:44:45):
It was a game change.

Speaker 2 (01:44:47):
I like that version a lot more like that.

Speaker 1 (01:44:50):
We had two different exposures to the producer's cut. Some'
more like with a lot of hardcore fans that where
we heard about it maybe seeing shitty versions than out
to see it. You just found out about it and
it was right level.

Speaker 2 (01:45:00):
Yeah, it was perfect.

Speaker 1 (01:45:01):
It was fair. Yeah. So this is tough for me
because the producer's cut feels more like a complete film,
just with an ending that makes absolutely no sense.

Speaker 2 (01:45:13):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:45:13):
Like I know people are like producers cuts great. I'm like, no,
it also is bad.

Speaker 2 (01:45:18):
It just doesn't make sense.

Speaker 1 (01:45:19):
It's also a bad here's the thing, it's also a
bad movie. It's just a producer cut feels like a movie.

Speaker 2 (01:45:24):
It does feel like a complete package. Yes, like not
a good one, yeahd.

Speaker 3 (01:45:29):
One, but it's it's fully complete. The theatrical cut. When
it ends with the mask, it's like, all right, well
what happened?

Speaker 1 (01:45:35):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (01:45:36):
You know what I mean?

Speaker 1 (01:45:36):
Because I am really nostalgic for the theatrical cut, though,
and I know all the nineties music video editing that
I was criticizing. I kind of like it. It does
kind of give it its own identity and like flavor
makes it stand out from the other ones, even if
it's totally ridiculous and ironic. This is tough for me.

(01:45:57):
This is tough for me. I do think the producers,
other than the ending, which was real big let down
it doesn't make sense, is a better film.

Speaker 2 (01:46:05):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:46:06):
I think I'll choose to watch the theatrical cut, though,
and that might just be because of nostalgia.

Speaker 2 (01:46:11):
No, that's fair.

Speaker 3 (01:46:12):
I'm not gonna turn down Oh God, We're good. I'm
not gonna turn down either version. Yeah, but I'm gonna
prefer to watch.

Speaker 2 (01:46:19):
The producer's cut.

Speaker 3 (01:46:20):
And I think that's specifically because of, like I'm so
familiar with six, Like the theatrical cut. This is like
the same movie that I love, just cut different. Yeah,
so it's it's kind of new and fresh for me. Right.

Speaker 1 (01:46:32):
So, I think I think we both agreen producers cuts better,
but I think we have different preferences of what we'll watch. Yeah, exactly,
I I really I just I need the I need it,
Joey or it doesn't feel like Halloween six. It's like
when we did Superman two and like the donor cut
changes line delivery of Zod to like not good or

(01:46:56):
he's like why do you say that to me?

Speaker 3 (01:46:58):
Do you know?

Speaker 1 (01:46:58):
Kill? I'm like, now I need the other streaming it
and shit. But yeah, either way, you lose because you're
watching Halloween. The Curse of Michael Myers.

Speaker 2 (01:47:09):
That is very true, very accurate.

Speaker 1 (01:47:11):
But it is a product of its time. It's got
a very interesting backstory.

Speaker 2 (01:47:15):
Yeah it does. That's more interesting than the movie.

Speaker 1 (01:47:18):
Yes, yes, and again, I have a lot of nineties
nostalgia because this is like when I'm aware of movies. Yeah,
and I again, this comic book here, this is a
this is Violator versus Bad Rock, the Spawn spin off,
the Spawn Young Blood spin off. But I remember seeing
these ads all the time as a kid and being like,
what is that. I guess I didn't really know what

(01:47:39):
Michael Myers was at that point. Ah, there we go,
until my mom showed me and I was just like, well,
this movie's gonna have an effect on me for the
rest of my life.

Speaker 2 (01:47:49):
Literally.

Speaker 1 (01:47:49):
Sure, I don't build a hope, I don't build a
whole brand around that and Batman. I think my giant metal.

Speaker 2 (01:47:57):
Halloween sculpture amazing.

Speaker 1 (01:48:01):
I hope I don't talk about Halloween so much that
a fan makes a Michael Meyer's version of my face.

Speaker 2 (01:48:07):
So beautiful.

Speaker 1 (01:48:08):
Uh, but yeah, that is it from us producers. Cut
wins overall. Joey C.

Speaker 2 (01:48:14):
Tony P.

Speaker 1 (01:48:15):
What do you got going on? What have you been doing?

Speaker 3 (01:48:17):
Like?

Speaker 1 (01:48:17):
You got any fun Halloween stuff on your channel coming up?

Speaker 3 (01:48:20):
Well, we got no fun Halloween stuff, but we got
something just as scary. The healthcare and Grand Theft auto
for Tony. The bathrooms in Rock Stars Bully very scary stuff.
And you if you want to see me examine the
healthcare and GTA four or say the bathrooms in Rockstars Bully,

(01:48:41):
go to YouTube dot com slash official.

Speaker 2 (01:48:43):
Joey C.

Speaker 3 (01:48:44):
I have all your examination needs. Very scary stuff, Tony.

Speaker 1 (01:48:51):
You should do like examinations for like Arkham Asylum.

Speaker 2 (01:48:55):
Oh that's a great idea.

Speaker 1 (01:48:57):
You could do building from building too.

Speaker 2 (01:48:59):
Oh that to me, that's a world class idea.

Speaker 1 (01:49:02):
Bathrooms and Arkham Asylum aren't there?

Speaker 2 (01:49:04):
I think there is.

Speaker 1 (01:49:06):
That's kind of horror related.

Speaker 3 (01:49:07):
Oh, Tony, I might have given you extra work. Sorry, no,
that's good. That's a good idea. I like that a lot.

Speaker 2 (01:49:14):
Have you done Evil? I haven't done Resident.

Speaker 1 (01:49:16):
You examined the mansion and Resident Evil?

Speaker 2 (01:49:20):
That's scared.

Speaker 1 (01:49:21):
That would be fun.

Speaker 3 (01:49:21):
It's the quality of living right there. I'd examined the
quality of living in the Resident Evil mansion.

Speaker 2 (01:49:27):
That's that.

Speaker 3 (01:49:27):
See, the opportunities are endless with the series.

Speaker 2 (01:49:30):
Yes, you have endless movies.

Speaker 3 (01:49:32):
I have endless things to examine. I also visit the places. Yeah,
I also I actually go there.

Speaker 1 (01:49:41):
Yes, into a video game.

Speaker 2 (01:49:43):
Yes, it's very it's very amazing technology. It's crazy. Man,
is great? What did you do? Like? What did I
find in this? And I was like, ount know was
shirt that fit?

Speaker 3 (01:49:53):
That was the healthcare video? I had like a fucking
it's like a crop top hoodie that I had I
slept in?

Speaker 2 (01:50:01):
Really?

Speaker 1 (01:50:02):
What am I looking at?

Speaker 2 (01:50:04):
Shirt?

Speaker 1 (01:50:04):
Dead?

Speaker 2 (01:50:04):
Fish?

Speaker 1 (01:50:07):
Mean? Do people think I bullying you? They know?

Speaker 2 (01:50:12):
It's all good fun?

Speaker 1 (01:50:14):
Uh yeah? Anyway, that is it from us. I'm gonna
drink so much tea and die now. Please follow Josie,
Please like, share, subscribe, go back and watch our other
Halloween videos. I have a whole Halloween playlist for you.
What else do I have.

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(01:50:58):
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