Is Guillermo del Toro's Frankenstein Fantastic? - Hack The Movies (#434) - Hack The Movies

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Hello, everyone, We're alive because it's a live episode and
it's Frankenstein. Do you get it? Do you get it?

Speaker 2 (00:09):
Hi?

Speaker 1 (00:10):
How you doing? Yes, today we're gonna be talking about
Gherma del Toro's Frankenstein, and I have some friends joining me.
Of course you all know her Kaylee. Hello Kayley.

Speaker 3 (00:19):
Well hello, I was so excited about this episode, but
then you made that a live joke, so I actually
have to go now.

Speaker 1 (00:26):
Well, well, you know that's okay because we have another
guest first time on the show, Vinnie Paulino. Hello, Vinny,
Hey Tony, thanks for having me, Thank you, thank you
for suggesting this episode. I'll bring Kayley back. I was
gonna put this movie on the monthly wrap up, but
you wanted to do a full episode, and I'm glad

(00:47):
you did because I actually have a lot to say
about this now. Uh but yes, Frankenstein, we're gonna do it.
But first, for the love of God, sign up for Patreon.
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(01:07):
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shout out to Lina. Me and Tim were lazy and
forgot to buy tables and we were gonna cancel it,
and then she was like, hey, I don't want to
go take my table, and I was like, oh, thank god.

(01:50):
So we will be there next weekend. I will wait
in line seven hours to meet Jillian Anderson.

Speaker 2 (01:55):
I have a question. I'm looking at this line up here.
For Monstermania sixty five, it was Robert Patrick.

Speaker 1 (02:03):
Robert Patrick.

Speaker 2 (02:04):
Yeah, the name's right there under Gillian Anderson and Michael
Rooker right in the middle there.

Speaker 1 (02:09):
How the hell do you It's the T one thousand
terminator too. He's at the top right of the picture.

Speaker 2 (02:12):
Oh that's right. Okay, what the fuck?

Speaker 1 (02:16):
You didn't know who Robert Patrick was?

Speaker 2 (02:18):
You know what? I was getting confused. I thought this
was one of those shitty ones where Butch Patrick was
there moving his full name.

Speaker 4 (02:26):
So I was just questioned, it actually is Butch Patrick.
I went down to make me really happy, make that happen.

Speaker 2 (02:33):
That's I was just asking. I didn't know if it
was a good one or a bad one.

Speaker 1 (02:37):
Hey, remember that, Remember that Patreon I was plugging. If
you go all the way back, there's a vlog where
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up today. He's a very nice guy. Fuck you, Vinny.
Uh huh.

Speaker 2 (02:51):
His name is Robert Really, I.

Speaker 1 (02:53):
Didn't know that.

Speaker 4 (02:54):
Oh my god, stop. This is my favorite thing that's
ever happened. This is my favorite moment. I love it.
I'm so happy right now.

Speaker 1 (03:08):
Anyway. Yes, Germo del Toro, do you guys like Guermo
del Toro? Are you a fan of his catalog?

Speaker 4 (03:15):
Yes, very I am.

Speaker 2 (03:17):
I am. I really do enjoy his movies. I was
very excited for this. When I heard it was coming out,
I went to go see it in the theater. I
couldn't wait. Yeah, I bought my tickets early, so you're.

Speaker 1 (03:27):
A mega fan. I also like him. Covered a bunch
of his stuff on the Channel before. I missed out
on his last two movies, The Nightmare Alley and Pinocchio
for whatever reason, they just didn't the trailers didn't grab me.
I don't know if they're good. Have any of you
seen them? Yeah?

Speaker 3 (03:42):
I really liked his version of Nightmare Alley, but I
have also not seen Pinocchio.

Speaker 4 (03:46):
He's so great. He's so great at storytelling. He's so
great a character development.

Speaker 3 (03:50):
That's why things like Hell Boys stand out in a
world of comic book films. You know, I mean he
liked Mignola's artwork to life. It's absolutely incredible. His ability
to do period pieces, his ability to make you feel love,
it's just del Toro is outstanding.

Speaker 1 (04:07):
Yeah, I uh, I really enjoy him. Love his stuff.
Pans Labyrinth is pretty great, even his old stuff like
Nick is awesome with the big.

Speaker 4 (04:15):
Amazing like dudes.

Speaker 1 (04:16):
That School as hell uh and was incredible.

Speaker 2 (04:20):
Yeah, he did the best you could do with a
property about giant fighting robots. Is an awesome movie for
what it is.

Speaker 4 (04:27):
Yeah, it's one of my favorite Kaiju films. It's amazing.

Speaker 1 (04:30):
Yeah, don't watch the sequel, just don't. I love it
was rough, It was rough. He loves Frankenstein. I don't
know if you could tell if he if he loves Frankenstein.
Is it real obvious looking at this picture of his
house that he loves it. Maybe you're not convinced. Hold on,
can you really tell that he loves Frankenstein?

Speaker 3 (04:50):
So he had a really cool exhibit at Lachma I
don't know, probably about ten years ago now that I
went to where Del Toro just put a whole bunch
of all of his stuff from his house into this
exhibit at Lachma in La And it was amazing because
he had tons of stuff. He had, you know, tons
of Labyrinth stuff, tons of original Mike Bingola artwork, but

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he also had a huge feature of all this Frankenstein stuff.
So it was really cool to be able to see
how much he loves this character, this story, everything, and
then him finally getting to tell it.

Speaker 1 (05:20):
Yes. And it's funny because when you think of Frankenstein,
everyone goes to the nineteen thirty one version starring Boris Karloff,
which is an adaptation of a nineteen twenty something play
that is like where all our Frankenstein knowledge caught, Like
in the pop culture, the lab with the electricity and
the hunchback and the Bride actually being made all comes

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from these movies. Rarely do people actually adapt the book,
which is very, very very different now. Usually when I
go into a Frankenstein thing, I know it's not going
to be like the book, so I take those expectations
out of my head. I'm like, yeah, it's just gonna
be its own thing. An example, earlier this year we
got Creature Commandos, which is like the Bride of Frankenstein

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or frank Stein hanging out with Batman villains. I didn't
necessarily watch that show and go that's not like Mary
Shelley's novel. I dis agree with this. I knew it
was gonna be very different. I went into this movie
with the wrong mindset, though, guys, because when I saw
the trailer, I saw the boat and the family's cottage
and the long black hair, and I'm like, oh, oh,

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he's actually doing the book. And I got very excited
because I actually right liked the book. It's only ever
been attempted twice by Kenneth Bronna who Robert de Niro
in nineteen ninety four. That script is okay until the
end where they couldn't help themselves and they did the
Bride and Kenneth Broanna went drunk with power on that movie.
He took a good script and made it the most loud,

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obnoxious thing ever. He insisted on being shirtless and oily
for most of it, and he cheated on his wife.
We have more information on our episode. Check out the
full episode for the nineteen ninety four Frankenstein movie. The
only other time it was attempted was the Hallmark Channel
mini series, which actually nails it and Guierra del Toro connection.
Luke Goss plays the creature who was the bad guy

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to Del Toro Films. That one's good, but it's a
Hallmark Channel movie, so it doesn't look really great. So
I went into this movie and I was like, yeah,
Del Toro loves franket sign, he's doing the book. It's
gonna be great. And then I got to the abusive
dad part and I'm like, never mind, he's doing his
own thing. He's doing his own thing. So it really

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colored my viewing of the first film, and I'm like, Okay,
he's using more than the book than other people do.
But this is not a straight adaptation, and I went
in I had to watch it again to clear that
previous expectation out. Vinny, how did you feel going into
this with the theater? What were you expecting out of this?

Speaker 2 (07:46):
I was going and open minded because I knew a
little bit. But I also didn't want to watch too
much of the trailer. I really like to go in
with no expectations whenever I go to the movies. Yeah,
so going through it, there were a few things that
completely took me out of the film. Okay, three or
four of them that just ripped me out of it,

(08:06):
going what just happened? Why is that happening? But I
will also say it's a beautiful movie. Yeah, Like it's morgeous,
like it's for a Frankenstein movie. It is way prettier
than it should be all the way through. But as
far as the story goes, it is a mixture of

(08:27):
the book I guess I never read it, but also
his weird take. And I also don't necessarily know if
I liked his take. So I'm still like six out
of ten on this movie realistic because I really didn't
love it.

Speaker 1 (08:42):
So it was that a good theater experience for you.
It's what you're saying.

Speaker 2 (08:45):
It looked pretty.

Speaker 1 (08:47):
It does look it. I saw people on Twitter. Although
film Twitter is like the worst thing in the world
right now, it's just who can complain the most for clicks,
but I saw people saying it look like shit. I'm like, no,
they actually had sets, which was fucking nice for once.

Speaker 3 (09:00):
What was your mindset going into this film? I, like
Vinnie said, try to go in with no expectations. Ever,
so I actually knew very little going into it. I
had hardly even seen any screenshots. I hadn't seen trailers,
I hadn't seen anything going in. And my initial take
was exactly like Vinnie said, Boyle boy, does del Toro

(09:21):
do a gorgeous period piece? And we got to see
Crimson Peak with the gothic kind of horror.

Speaker 4 (09:26):
This had a lot of similar feelings to that.

Speaker 3 (09:28):
It almost felt like he took the things that he
wasn't able to do in Crimson Peak and then put
them in here.

Speaker 4 (09:32):
We also get to.

Speaker 3 (09:33):
Enjoy the idea of del Toro doing like a creature
love story, yeah.

Speaker 4 (09:39):
And which we got to see in Shape of Water.
It's kind of it, kind of it feels like it
and I have.

Speaker 1 (09:45):
A problem with all the love stuff in this, but.

Speaker 3 (09:48):
Keep going, I will say, but what I think in
response to the adaptation from the book, I actually think
that this is one of the best interpreting of the book.

Speaker 2 (10:00):
Now.

Speaker 3 (10:01):
I will say that It's been a long time since
I've read it. However, because it has been so bastardized,
and because Frankenstein has become more of a pop culture
movement than its original story, we don't usually get to
see what happened in the book. And so even though
it does divert, even though, like you said, Tony, it
is not a direct retelling of the book, there are

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a lot more elements in this movie that come from
the book, at least to my recollection, than there are
in almost every other telling of Frankenstein.

Speaker 4 (10:31):
No, and I really enjoyed that. I really really enjoyed that.

Speaker 1 (10:35):
No, You're You're right, You're right. But it also causes
some problems for me later on because the book is
still like fresh in my head. I cover I had
to do that big Mary Shelley's Franken Seined review a
few years ago, and I listened to the book a
couple times, but yeah, we'll get into it. Let's go through.
Let's go through the film, guys, and real quick. The
name of the game is super Tests. Please leave a

(10:55):
super chat. We will do or say anything within reason.

Speaker 3 (10:59):
Uh uh.

Speaker 1 (11:00):
Yeah. So we open up on the ship, which actually
was a set, which I really enjoyed because we don't
really get sets anymore in these like big films, and
I like that del tours trying to keep like old
Hollywood stuff alive a little bit. Of course, this is
the classic thing for the book where the captain, much
like Frankenstein, is overly ambitious and not thinking about the

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consequences of his actions. He's trying to find a passage
to the North Pole and get stuck. His crew hates him.
At night, they hear an explosion and they find doctor
Frankenstein out out in the ice, played by Oscar Isaac.
I was excited to see Oscar Isaac in this. I
actually like Oscar Isaac. You guys into him.

Speaker 2 (11:41):
I am I'm a big he's good.

Speaker 1 (11:44):
He's good. I have problems with how Frankenstein's characterized in this,
but he's a great actor. He's a great actor. So yeah,
he gets pulled to the ship. The monster shows up
and just fucking annihilates everyone. He splits this guy's head
in half, and then we have to watch him like
fall backwards. Did the violence and I keep in mind

(12:06):
I love violent movies and everything. Did the violence take
you out of this a little bit? Because it gets
real cartoony when the rest of the movie is And
how did you guys feel about it?

Speaker 2 (12:16):
I loved it.

Speaker 4 (12:17):
I'm no, you go ahead, Benny, and then I'll say.

Speaker 2 (12:23):
I loved it. I was like, let's go because I
wasn't expecting a lot of action in this movie, like
you know what, I like. I kind of just assumed
I've never seen these with a ton of action. Everything's
a monster's kind of slow and everything like that. But
then when you see him like come out and he's
fighting all these dudes, You're like, all right, I watched

(12:44):
a lot of clap in my life because there's like
a strong start like that, a lot of garbage.

Speaker 1 (12:51):
What do you think, Kaylee? I thought, look, it was
it was real cartoony for me because it didn't match
the rest of the film. How do you feel about it?

Speaker 3 (12:58):
So I actually really liked it. I'm with Vinny on
this one totally. I loved the violence, I loved starting
out this way, but I did have an issue with it.
And my issue was actually that it made the creature.
It made the monster seem superhuman, and to me, Frankenstein's
monster is not supposed to be superhuman.

Speaker 4 (13:17):
H and I you.

Speaker 3 (13:21):
Know again, maybe that's just the interpretation that I have
in my head. So this felt it almost felt like
at times, and I think cartoony is a good word
for it, it felt like it was almost a little
bit too over the top. I would have enjoyed the
violence as much if he was taking a little bit
more like hurt.

Speaker 1 (13:39):
Yeah. Uh, he is supposed to be superhuman, however, his
wolverine Regenita regentitive thing that was room for this movie,
although it is in one part in the book. The
reason he stops making the bride is because he's like,
I don't know if this thing can be killed. I
didn't really study any events, so I guess they took
that loose explanation. They're like, he's wolverine. Now he can

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just recrow limbs and stuff, but he's supposed to be strong.
I don't know if he's tipping over a ship strong.
I don't think he was that strong in the book.
But yeah, just the violence, It just it would be
like a serious moment. I think. Actually, we'll get to
the one part where the violence took me super out
of the movie when we get to it.

Speaker 2 (14:19):
But yeah, yeah, can I add one thing about this
part of the movie. You know, the fight's happening, but
can I talk about when he pushes the boat at
this part? Yeah, okay, that's one of the things that
took me out of the movie. But it didn't take
me out of the movie till later. Because these sailors
are stuck in the ice and they have doctor Frankenstein

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on board the ship at this point, he's on there
and this monster comes up and pushes the boat and
completely breaks it free of the ice. Why are they
still there the next.

Speaker 1 (14:51):
Day because it was nighttime and it froze too fast.

Speaker 4 (14:57):
Movie magic.

Speaker 1 (15:00):
They're thinking about the next day, like why did you
just go? I mean, he tipped it over. But I
think they I don't know, Yeah, I don't know. Maybe
you got a point there. I do like that they
pull out that gigantic gun, not to kill him, but
just to shoot the ice to sink him.

Speaker 3 (15:16):
That was a really great, And I wasn't expecting that
is something that I should have expected to be like
the next moment. I was not expecting it at all.
I was so wrapped up in the scene. I truly,
truly was wrapped up in this scene.

Speaker 1 (15:29):
Yeah, and I think it's around here. Maybe I didn't
get a still of it. Around here is where they
do this thing where like whenever it's dark out, like
one of his eyes will just glow randomly, And I
think we first see it here, and they play it
throughout the whole film. So yeah, we get franken Sei
mean with the ship captain, and much like the book,
the Captain's like, all right, what is that thing outside?

(15:51):
And like the book, the frank and sign goes, well,
let me tell you about my childhood. And at no
point does the captain go, I don't fucking care what's
the thing outside? Uh? But yeah, we get his whole backstory.
You know, he loved his mother, who's also played by
Mia Goth, which makes me uncomfortable that weird anyone else.

Speaker 4 (16:09):
Out well, you don't like mommy issues?

Speaker 1 (16:13):
What was that? Any I didn't notice because they gave
her different eyebrows and apparently that mask thing. It makes
it makes it so weird. Anyway, By the way, this
whole the whole setting for this film is like a mystery.
It's like some fictional It's like a fictionalized version of Europe.

(16:35):
No one, no one really Like they mentioned France at
one point, but I don't know what country they're in.
It's not Geneva or anything. It's like its own thing. Uh.
And I think that was intentional. He said he wanted
to feel like a fable and not lock it down
to any specific area. So again, like you said about
it looking like a good movie, you got crazy costume
design throughout this whole film.

Speaker 2 (16:55):
Oh maybe not the best casting because the kid who
plays young Victor, yeah, doesn't really have much of an
Oscar Isaac vibe to him.

Speaker 1 (17:05):
No now, I mean, I mean, if we're talking about casting,
I don't know if I would have picked a Cuban
guy to play Swiss, but you know whatever.

Speaker 3 (17:12):
I also the kid who plays young Victor was his
voice way too mature for his appearance.

Speaker 1 (17:22):
I can't recall.

Speaker 3 (17:24):
I like, when he first started talking, I was like,
that's a full grown ass man's voice.

Speaker 4 (17:31):
And I got that.

Speaker 3 (17:32):
Weirded me out more than the Mia Goth being his
mother that it was like really sincerely freaked me out
and I felt like it kind of went away. One
of the things that was a little bit challenging for me.
You mentioned the idea of not exactly knowing where the
setting is. I do feel like the accents kind of
fluctuate throughout the film.

Speaker 4 (17:49):
And so same thing with this kid.

Speaker 3 (17:52):
I feel like he started out with having this very
masculine adult voice and then it kind of tampered into
a little bit more of an as adolescent voice as
the movie went on, and I was like, that's weird,
Like I don't like it.

Speaker 4 (18:04):
It freaked me out completely, right.

Speaker 2 (18:06):
The only person in that movie who I knew exactly
where they were from was Christoph Waltz.

Speaker 1 (18:10):
Yes, yeah, yeah, I can't wait to talk about but yeah,
what's his face? Charles Dance shows up as his father,
who's a huge dick, for no real reason, I think,
other than to show that Victor had an abusive father
and how that plays later on in the story. And
this is where we get Victor praying to this angel

(18:32):
I don't know if it's supposed to be Michael or something,
and then he will have visions of it throughout the
whole film. How did you feel about Angel thing? I
thought that was bizarre, made no sense to me. Still
don't understand it. Yeah, Kayley, can you figure out the angel?

Speaker 4 (18:50):
So I think that the idea was it was an
arch angel, and.

Speaker 1 (18:55):
I think.

Speaker 3 (18:57):
I'm sure that there is an intelligent interpretation to it.
I don't know that I cared, But it also didn't
detract from the film for me, because most of those
sequences were quite gorgeous. And again, that is the saving
grace of this movie is that when it does have
its slow moments, when it does have its incomprehensible moments,
when I am getting a little bit bored, I'm like, oh,
but it's so pretty well got pretty Yeah.

Speaker 1 (19:20):
I just thought it was hear that he like praises
Angel then Hansome for the rest of his life. Uh.
Milk drinking. Did you guys notice how much Frankensteiny's drinking
milk throughout this whole film?

Speaker 4 (19:31):
Mommy issues?

Speaker 1 (19:32):
I yeah, I think I think that might be in
I think it might be Mommy and he's playing with
like a porcelain pregnant lady. It made me really uncomfortable,
all right, really really uncomfortable. So yeah, the dad is
uh teaching them all this doctor shit and he's just like,
you're not. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (19:48):
The first thing with the milk drinking the first thing
that that reminded me of. Have you seen it's like
nineteen eighty two maybe Butcher Baker Nightmare Maker. No, that
is a really weird mommy issues movie, and there's a
lot of milk drinking in that, and it's a slasher film.

Speaker 4 (20:06):
So you wouldn't think that I would associate these two
films with each other. But the way that all the
characters are drinking milk in both of those movies felt
very similar. So that was what I got out of that.

Speaker 1 (20:19):
I like that. Uh, mister Frankenstein, I don't know if
they gave him a first name.

Speaker 4 (20:24):
Uh.

Speaker 1 (20:24):
He really wants to discipline Victor, but he don't, you know,
he does. He's worried about his future. He doesn't want
to hurt his hands, so he just starts whipping him
in the face when he gets things wrong. I'm like, well,
that's fucked. The mom dies of childbirth giving birth to
William and Victor's as kid. Yeah, the porcelain caskets were
cool looking.

Speaker 4 (20:43):
I was like, bury me in that it had like
a little face plate too.

Speaker 1 (20:49):
That was they all had like face It was like bizarre.
So William is born and for some reason, uh, mister
Franken's sign is like, you know what, I love this kid.
I'm gonna be really nice to him. I'm like that
first child of mine.

Speaker 2 (21:02):
Well, they said the reason why he didn't like him
was because he had dark hair. Wait what in the
movie he said he hated my mother's dark hair and
mine and my mother's dark hair and dark eyes.

Speaker 1 (21:16):
That was the basis for hating his son.

Speaker 2 (21:18):
Because yeah, man, and he got this cute little blonde
one here, William. I mean, you tell me what you're
gonna do.

Speaker 1 (21:28):
Charles Dance looks like the grim Reaper. He should be
happy that any of his kids look normal. And I
say that as a big Charles Dance fan, but I'm
just like, he looks like the most evil man. That's
why it's weird. Have you ever seen him play a
good guy in a movie. It's weird because he just
looks so evil. I can't get into him as a
good guy anyway.

Speaker 2 (21:49):
They actually show him in this movie. He does this
thing that made me hate the dad so fast and
it was just a quick little acting thing where they
were sitting at the table and he tells that his
wife to eat this. It's gonna be rich. He's blood.
But he does this first where he taps the table
with the knife and like points with it to the

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servant to put it right there. It's like such a
King Charles thing to do. It's just and demeaning to
people around him. And so I just thought it was
great acting from Charles Dance.

Speaker 4 (22:22):
Well I felt right at home. It was great.

Speaker 1 (22:28):
You really related to that scene, Kaylee?

Speaker 4 (22:30):
Oh yeah, yeah there Kaylee.

Speaker 1 (22:35):
Uh. So, Victor basically like intimidates his father. He's like,
I'm hey, you fucked up saving mom. You're not that great.
I'm gonna, I don't know, make a zombie or something.
I'm gonna conquer death. Uh, and then he dies. He
gets the black porcelain. Is that because he's a bad
guy or did he request it be black? And it
just feels like a villain thing. Years later, Frankenstein is

(22:58):
uh doing like I don't know, a seminar to a
bunch of doctors. Ralph Innocon is there, Uh, who's got
like the best voice ever. I love that man's voice. Yeah,
and he's showing everyone his new experiment, which is a
fucking half alive corpse that's struggling to breathe. That looks terrifying.

Speaker 2 (23:18):
Cool.

Speaker 1 (23:20):
The puppet is really good. The puppet is really awesome.

Speaker 2 (23:24):
That's a wild scene because like all these Isaac Newton
motherfuckers are just sitting there all upset, like just like blasphemy.
That's awesome.

Speaker 4 (23:36):
I don't know.

Speaker 1 (23:36):
If I was there at that time, I would just
like start screaming running out of the fucking room. I'd
be terrified.

Speaker 3 (23:42):
Yeah, they're all calling it an abomination. I mean it's yeah, well,
only God gives life, I believe. At the point of
this scene, yes.

Speaker 1 (23:52):
And Victor's just like, hey, uh look it's really smart.
It could catch an apple, And I'm like, what the fuck.
This is where we're introduced to Christoph Christoph Waltz's character,
who I'm sure had a name.

Speaker 2 (24:06):
Uh. This is not the only what was it, Hollander?

Speaker 1 (24:10):
I believe Hollander? Okay, yeah, this is not the only
Classic Monster adaptation He's going to be in. In February,
we're getting Luke Besson's Dracula. Uh, and he plays a
priest there and now, guys, I would never ever illegally
download a foreign movie and watch it months ahead of time.
I would never do that. But my French cousin watched it,

(24:31):
and he wants you to know that it's actually a
pretty hilarious movie and Christoph Waltz is fucking great in it.
Another one not like the book at all, but it
does its own thing and it has a lot of fun.
So it was fun seeing him in this and knowing
that he's going to be in that. Everyone check out
that movie when it's out. Don't illegally download it. That's
that's bad. Don't do that. He is Elizabeth's uncle who

(24:53):
was engaged to William Now and he's very excited about
what Frankenstein's do and trying to reanimate the dead. We'll
learn later, but he's like, hey, buddy, I want to
fund your research. And then Franking signed Trake's poor milk.
So basically there's a war going on, which war I
don't know. Uh. He makes weapons and ammunition, so he

(25:14):
has like a shit ton of money. He's like, we'll
never run out of money. I'm gonna bankroll everything. Did
you guys expect him to be up to no? Good. Yeah, yeah,
pretty obvious.

Speaker 2 (25:27):
Four mongers coming to fund your research. Yeah, I thought it.

Speaker 1 (25:31):
Was gonna be for nefarious purposes. And we get to
what it is, I'm like, oh, that's actually not that
interesting of a twist. They stare at this board with
dots in it, something about the spinal thing. I couldn't
follow anything that they were saying here.

Speaker 2 (25:44):
I thought this was wild because they established Victor Frankenstein
from that early scene with his dad as having all
of this anatomy knowledge of the anatomy of a human
from childhood. And then he's like, hey, you know there's
this whole system inside of a person. It's right here
on this wooden board. Come look at it. I'll why

(26:06):
don't come over to my house and I'll show it
in a couple of days. It's gonna blow your mind.
There's a whole thing that you didn't learn. And then
and then as they're doing this, there's this scene where
they make this pact where Christoph Waltz at him is like,
he's like, I want to refund your research, but let
me show you this, and he shows them this little
section right there in the middle around the heart, and
he says he can score endless power. But all we

(26:28):
have to do is figure out how to get into it.
And then oscar is it goes, oh, just do it
from the back and they're good to go. It's really
dumb but good.

Speaker 4 (26:43):
I don't know how it's wild.

Speaker 1 (26:45):
I never thought of it before. Also, I liked ack.
I couldn't include the picture of it, but I like
the start of the scene. There's just a huge titty
broad uh getting her picture taken by Krystal Walls eating
the fucking fruit that's meant to be in the picture.

Speaker 4 (27:02):
He's just eat it's a pete.

Speaker 1 (27:04):
Yeah, he's just taking photos throughout the whole film with
the old tiny camera that like prints onto glass and everything.
I thought that was cool aspect of it. And this
is where he meets Elizabeth, who again is his brother's fiance,
and the Victor, come on, don't cut your brother like

(27:25):
that's fuck? Can we would that make anyone else uncomfort
I don't like that Victor was trying to cuck his brother.

Speaker 2 (27:30):
Well, they're trying to make him like not a likable character.

Speaker 1 (27:33):
Yeah they succeed it. Yeah, they succeeded.

Speaker 3 (27:39):
Not only is he supposed to be unlikable, but he's
supposed to be in constant competition with his brother, and
so Elizabeth does actually talk. You mentioned that it's wartime,
and Elizabeth does things like recite all.

Speaker 4 (27:51):
Of these.

Speaker 3 (27:53):
Very poetic reasons why it's so tragic that men are
dying on the battlefield. And that's kind of when Victor
starts falling for her. At least that's when I felt
like he started falling for her. But yeah, he's a shithead,
and we need to establish that he really is.

Speaker 1 (28:10):
I didn't think me a Goth in this role. I'm sorry.
How do you guys feel.

Speaker 2 (28:15):
I could take her a leaver?

Speaker 1 (28:17):
What about you? Kaylee? She just didn't through it for me.

Speaker 3 (28:21):
So I have a lot of thoughts about her and
also the character of Elizabeth. Yeah, I was disappointed in both,
and I have never said that about me a Goth before.
I generally am a huge fan of hers. I thought
she were fine. I thought she was fine in this role.
I actually think that the problem was not necessarily her.

(28:42):
I don't know that she could have done any better
or worse than the role that she was given. I
think she was a really underdeveloped character. And I don't
usually stand up for my female leads because usually I
find them to be dumb as shit, but I was
very disappointed in who Elizabeth was as a character in
this film. I felt like she was not the you know.

(29:03):
I mean, we're talking about one of the first Gothic
novels that was written by a woman, and we can't
make a powerful woman. And usually, again I am of
the position. I know, I am a woman, but usually
I don't like to see powerful women in film. This
is a character that needs to be powerful, and I
thought she was just a giant nothing.

Speaker 1 (29:23):
Well, I mean, it depends on what you want to
do Elizabeth. Again, usually it is just like there. Honestly,
she started off as Victor's cousin and then Mary Shelley
advised it and was like, you know, and let's change
it to adopted sister cousin is weird and now she's
girl who looks like their mother, which makes it actually
weirder for me. But yeah, this movie didn't know what

(29:43):
to do with her. And we'll get to the one
point where I thought they were going in one direction
and then they totally undermine it. But yeah, her acting
just didn't do it for me. We cut back to
the future, the monster finally gets out of the ice.
It's all regenerated. And then we get to this tower
where he's going to do all of his experiments, and
I I was happy to know that it was a
miniature on a blue screen, because you don't get those anymore.

Speaker 4 (30:05):
I loved.

Speaker 3 (30:06):
One of the things that I truly love about this
movie is that right now I feel like there's this huge.

Speaker 4 (30:13):
Surgeons of indie films.

Speaker 3 (30:15):
We don't get a lot of these big budget, gorgeous, gorgeous,
gorgeous movies, and we got that here. And I love
it that del Toro still wants to do things like that,
and I love that he loves using miniatures and sets
and practical things.

Speaker 4 (30:27):
And it was just.

Speaker 1 (30:27):
Beautiful, especially for a Netflix. But do you guys watch
a lot of Netflix originals.

Speaker 4 (30:33):
Yeah they're shit.

Speaker 1 (30:34):
Yeah they're mostly they turned into those like blockbuster like
directive video stuff just with a list actors. But yeah,
most of them look like shit. Amazon's not much better.
See beautiful visuals right there. I love the set of
the lab. I thought that was cool. I love this
murder hole right here, which I would be terrified to

(30:57):
go anywhere near.

Speaker 2 (30:58):
And I was you see no rallying?

Speaker 1 (31:02):
Yeah, no, railing. Not one person could we put like
a railing or a chain, and you know at some
point someone's gonna fall through it, which is nice. Uh,
there's no other reason they would have that there unless
someone was gonna fall through it. Uh yeah, let me
get more of Victor trying to cut his brother, hanging
out with Elizabeth. They dance, he does, he just he

(31:23):
somehow finds it a daver that he can just hunch
over and split open its spine, which, for whatever reason,
this picture is in like a lot of the marketing
and stuff, they really keep showing this picture of this
naked dude hunched over. So yeah, then we're getting just
a montage of the lad being built and all the
electricity stuff, which again the electricity is something from the
play that has just been everywhere since then. And then this, okay,

(31:47):
this is the scene where I really hated Victor, where
he's just like, William, you're really busy. You gotta do
this and this and this and this. It's very important.
And then he's fucking catching butterflies.

Speaker 2 (31:59):
I'm like, come on, man, there's a great there's a
great moment there where William just stands there, like the
door the coach and they go away. There's just a
pause where they just show him like, oh, like a
kid waiting for his dad to take him fishing. I also,
can I say the whole relationship with him and Elizabeth.

(32:21):
I find I hate the like the clothes that they
put oscar Isaac in in this movie. He looks like
he's just like Perry Caravello. It's just weird. I don't
care for it at all. And the First Seed where
like they kind of hang out. She going to confession
and he sneaks into the confessional right to pretend to

(32:42):
be the priest, and she knows that it's him, and
she calls him detestable, crude, all these things, and that
he's like, you want to go to lunch and she's
like sure, I just like it. It makes no sense
to me.

Speaker 4 (32:55):
Their relationship is nonsensical. Their relationship.

Speaker 3 (32:58):
At some point she's like I hate him so much,
and then she's like, oh no, he's cool, and then
she's like, I hate him so like it makes absolutely
no sense.

Speaker 1 (33:05):
I do.

Speaker 3 (33:06):
I do feel like we are skipping over something that
was very important to me though, and maybe maybe I'm
just misremembering the order. Are we just going to blatantly
skip over all the corpse shopping.

Speaker 1 (33:17):
Uh that's coming up. Okay, good, yeah, good, it's coming up.
It's coming up. Unless I forgot to put it in
my slides. I think it's coining.

Speaker 4 (33:24):
I got I got excited about the corpse shopping. That
was one of my favorite movies.

Speaker 2 (33:28):
Parts of the movie, where do you.

Speaker 1 (33:33):
Listen?

Speaker 4 (33:33):
There's a lot they I don't ever forget to say.

Speaker 1 (33:39):
Yeah, so actually this leads up to it. Uh. Christal
Faltz comes in, he I love you have to watch
a scene of him being and he's like, uh, hey,
remember when I said we had infinite resources and everything. Lol,
the war's ending. Get to fucking work. Speed ship up.
We only have like a few weeks.

Speaker 2 (33:57):
Stop trying to stop trying to fuck my knees at
the best. Let me tell you something. I love Ristoff Waltz,
And one of the best parts of that movie is
at that bathroom scene. Yeah, he goes through the whole
thing and he says to him, you know you said
we had him limitless money, and he goes, uh, yeah,
I do, but my patience is limited. And that is
as he's walking out of the bathroom, he turns around

(34:19):
and looks at He says, would you do you a favorite?
Flush that for me?

Speaker 1 (34:22):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (34:23):
Like he totally is just like flushed my piss, you loser.
He decides back to work. He's like, I gotta get
to work.

Speaker 1 (34:30):
Well, before he gets to work, he gets rejected by Elizabeth.
She brings in her butterfly and she compares herself to
it or something bunch of emo shit, a bunch of
emo cry baby shit. And she's like, all right, I'm
gonna choose. Uh. Yeah, she has a whod speech about
choice and she's like, choices whatever. Anyway, she chooses Billiam,
She's like, fuck, I'll thick do get out of here.
But something she says about symmetry again Vinnie, it's another

(34:53):
one of those, is like, wait a minute, I'll put
the needles in a straight line instead of just all
over the place. Uh. And that's how he's going to
figure out how to bring this corpse to life, which
he does for like a second. His scientific revelations are
really stupid in this. Then then they corpse shop.

Speaker 4 (35:10):
Kayleie, I feel like there was one corpse shopping scene
corpse shopping scene before that, because they go to the gallows. Yes,
so Okay, there's oh, corpse shopping. Corpse shopping in multiple places,
and they go to the gallows to do corpse shopping,
and that's hilarious. That is so stupid in the same

(35:31):
way that Vinnie just got excited about flushing piss, I
was so excited about corpse shopping at the gallows.

Speaker 1 (35:40):
The one guy, he's like, uh, don't worry about it.
This is actually better. He would have been dead in
the year anyway, and it would have been worse. The
guy's like, supposed to feel better about that. Sorry. There
were two corpse huntings.

Speaker 3 (35:52):
Battlefield, Yeah, Battlefield corpse shopping is also interesting because lots
of the corpses are mangled and they have a little
conversation about that, and that's also interesting.

Speaker 2 (36:02):
But yeah, the first scene where you kind of start
to figure out what Christoph Waltz is up to.

Speaker 1 (36:07):
Yeah, okay, they hinted it out of there.

Speaker 2 (36:10):
Well, yeah, because he's sitting out there in the middle
of the corpses and he's going, I'm looking for he is,
tell me what you're looking for. He's like, I want
long legs, I want this, I want perfection. And Christopher
also is like, oh, yeah, you should strive for perfection.
You should actually, yes, do that.

Speaker 1 (36:26):
He's like, that's actually very important to me, Please do that.
Uh so, you're right. They get a bunch of bodies
all together because we have to do the stitching thing.
That's another thing from the original movie that just everyone
has to do. Uh So, yeah, I like how they're
like some of them have like half of their head
missing limbs, and he pieces them all together into one organism.

Speaker 2 (36:49):
Can I say, Yeah, One of my favorite parts of
the movie was him putting everybody at all the pieces
together and the chopping high and the sew it because
it had like the most delight full, happy score. He's
so thrilled with his work, and he's.

Speaker 5 (37:04):
Just a really weirdly grotesque but it's so chipper And
as the host of the creep offf I can tell
you I enjoy that.

Speaker 1 (37:17):
I love this little contraption they made here. Like when
it goes up and his arms go up into the air,
it look really cool. He's got some like terrifying mask on.
But yeah, it starts storming and he's like, hey, buddy,
we got to make a monster. And then he sees
him with the wig off apparently as syphilis and he's
dying and he's only been doing this to go into

(37:38):
the monster. But I would have brought this up a
lot sooner instead of springing it on Franken's side at
the end, because Frankenside is like, yeah, I'm making a
new human being, and then last minute he's like, can
you put my brain in it? And it's just like,
what the fuck are you talking about?

Speaker 2 (37:55):
Man? I paid for everything. Put my syphilis written brain
your monster. Please.

Speaker 3 (38:02):
It's like in bloom County when they put Trump's sprain
into the cat.

Speaker 4 (38:07):
Do you guys ever read that comic book?

Speaker 1 (38:09):
No? What the fuck?

Speaker 3 (38:12):
There's like a comic that was like, it was like
a newspaper comic and it's called bloom County. One of
the opus the Penguin, wasn't it, And one of the
gags is that they put Donald Trump's sprain into a cat.
And I'm gonna stop talking now because I feel like
I've lost everything.

Speaker 4 (38:32):
Bloom Countyphilis, Yes, yes, so the cat.

Speaker 3 (38:40):
It's really funny, And honestly, I haven't revisited any of
those things since Donald Trump has become who he has become.

Speaker 4 (38:46):
Those are probably really good comics to revisit.

Speaker 1 (38:49):
In twenty twenty two, they said they were going to
make it an animated series. I don't know if they
ever did. Oh, I'm gonna have to look into Bloom County.

Speaker 4 (38:57):
Highly recommend.

Speaker 1 (38:59):
Thank you, Thank you for the Yes, this is a
Bloom County review. Now, guys, let's read every single panel now.
But yeah, I just thought this was funny. He's like,
he did this was because he had syphilis and he
wants to put his brain in a monster. But it's
just like, yeah, but I would have again, I would
have brought that up at the beginning instead of at
the end where frank Sis is like, no, that's not

(39:19):
how this works. I don't know if that would even
be your brain. I don't know what the fuck you're
talking about. See how they fight and then he falls
down the big dethol and I was so happy. I'm like, yeah,
we got to see the death hol. This is awesome.

Speaker 4 (39:30):
Sarlac Pitt, Yeah, yes, yes, uh so, yeah he dies
lightning strikes.

Speaker 2 (39:40):
Okay, hold on one of the other parts of this
movie that completely dragged me out of it. Yeah, this scene, okay,
because he's there, he just finishes putting everything together and
he's like, oh boy, my monsters ready to be made.
And then all of a sudden, the lightning starts, and

(40:01):
that's like the incidence that Christoph Waltz springs out of Hey,
by the way, I have the syphilis? Can you please
put my brain in here? And then he's like, I
don't have time for the shit. I gotta put the
antetna on top of the flower. And now the middle
of a rainstorm, he's climbing up the fucking thing, and
I'm like, how much money did they have on this?
They didn't put the Why are you putting this up here? Now? Bro?

(40:23):
Why is this a movie? It made no sense to me.

Speaker 1 (40:25):
Why aren't there more people? Again, this isn't classic franksiin
where he's doing this in secret. Everyone knows what he's doing.
Why aren't there a bunch of people around helping a
bunch of Union guys two floors down camping up? Bro,
get the antetna up there. You could have put a
hunchback in here if you wanted to or whatever.

Speaker 2 (40:48):
But yeah, he's to the thing. He's crawling up with
the thing on his shoulders.

Speaker 1 (40:52):
Just it's like, I don't know, Like, again, you have
this whole scene of everyone constructing everything, and then it's
just like, oh, now they're all gone. It's like, where's William?
Is he not part of this anymore? So, Yeah, the
monster doesn't come to life, he goes asleep. He gets
mad at his angel friend who come who just stares

(41:15):
at them all weird. Anyways, up Monsters Alive now shows
up in his room, and instead of like objecting in
and throwing or rejecting it and throwing it away, he actually,
like most film versions, he tries to work with the
monster and teach it and I actually really like to
see where they're like in the sun and everything. It
was a good moment, like I started to like Victor

(41:37):
a little bit here. Then he immediately chains them up
in a dark cellar, like what the fuck are you doing? Buddy?

Speaker 4 (41:42):
It was I'm sorry, Kale, No, no, no, you go ahead.

Speaker 3 (41:46):
Oh he's so far away now, okay, so can I
I would like to hear your guys's initial reactions, because
this is the first time that we are seeing the
monster's face, and so I'm really interesting. Did the character
design obviously is quite different than what we've seen in
the past. It is not what I was expecting, and

(42:09):
for me, I thought a lot of it was really great.
I thought the colorations were really wonderful. I thought that
the design was really wonderful. He is very menacing, but
I did have some issues with it. So I kind
of just like to hear your guys' initial reactions based
on this scene.

Speaker 1 (42:25):
Well, for me, I I knew he would eventually get
like the long hair and everything from the trailers and everything,
but at first he does look like the Prometheus guy
a little bit.

Speaker 2 (42:33):
Uh.

Speaker 1 (42:34):
I like that they he still put together, but we
don't get the classic stitch in they tried something new.
Uh yeah, I mean he does look coolish. My problem
with him is actually later in the film where they
make him a little too handsome and not Yeah, he's
way sexy.

Speaker 4 (42:49):
Oh my god, I would have fucked the shit out
of here.

Speaker 1 (42:52):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (42:52):
See that's the problem, KAYLEI see my thought on this,
Like when you first see him, like the movements and stuff,
I think really sold like monster. Like the way he
was like he looked kind of reminding me of Iggy Pop.
Like he's just walking around like everywhere and he's all
scarred up and shit. So I kind of liked that,

(43:14):
but he is way too pretty. You can't have a
pretty side. You could have a pretty Dracula. You can
have you know, a pretty wolf man before he turns
into the wolf. You can't have handsome Frankenstein. But I
will give this to Giermo del Toro. Guys like Tony
and I should appreciate this more because even with he

(43:35):
did Shape of Water too, right, yes, yep, yeah, so
he basically is just trying to make women fall in
love with monsters. So for that I do Why why would.

Speaker 1 (43:44):
You, Vinnie, I don't know if you know this. Everyone
says that I look exactly like Glenn pal Why would
you say I'm a monster. I don't understand.

Speaker 2 (43:53):
Forget I said anything.

Speaker 1 (43:55):
You look great, Okay, don't group me into asshole.

Speaker 3 (43:58):
So my my issue my issue with the design here.
One too handsome. I agree with all of that, but
two the scar placement doesn't make sense for if I'm
stitching together, so like he has like the one like
scar that like goes down his face. You went corpse
shopping twice you couldn't find one solid face.

Speaker 1 (44:22):
I've actually seen worse examples of that. But keep talking.

Speaker 2 (44:25):
Sorry, I don't have something on his chest. It looks
like operation Yeah.

Speaker 1 (44:31):
Hold on because we're talking about Frankenstein's that look ridiculous.
Have you ever seen Roger Corman's last movie that he directed,
Frankenstein on Bound. You guys ever see that one?

Speaker 4 (44:43):
I have seen, I know, I have seen parts of it.
I don't know to watch him.

Speaker 1 (44:48):
This is about a time traveler. I have a review
for it on this channel. A time traveler goes back
in time to Frankenstein times because he makes a black
hole device which he's like the frank sign of his day,
and he goes back in time and he ends up
in the events of Frankenstein and we get to see
the monster, which looks like this. And when you were Kayley,

(45:11):
when you were talking about like why don't they stitch?
But they couldn't find like one face in that movie
you can't tell from this picture, but luckily they put
it on the poster. That's actor Frankenstein couldn't find one
eyeball for his monster. He had to stitch three different
eyeballs together. Guys. Even crazier with that movie. Not only
is he in the story of Frankenstein, but he also

(45:31):
bumps into Mary Shelley, who is writing Frankenstein as the
offense are happening. It's awesome. You gotta watch. It's free
on YouTube anyway. So yeah, we're all kind of mixed
on the design. I'm gathering.

Speaker 2 (45:46):
It stinks. I don't like it.

Speaker 3 (45:51):
I don't think that it stinks, but it definitely I
wanted it to be a little bit more grotesque.

Speaker 2 (45:58):
Yeah, from at the start of the movie. Aah, and
then you see this freaking model. I got a model.

Speaker 3 (46:09):
Well that's the thing that the purifying in the beginning
of the movie, when he's fully cloaked.

Speaker 4 (46:14):
He's fully cloaked.

Speaker 3 (46:15):
Well so for me, because again I like, I mean,
you get to see like a little bit of his face,
but like you really don't get a good view of
him at that point. For me, this was really the
first time that I was seeing him because again I
had avoided all the trailers and stuff like that and
all the promo material. I was shocked at how how
nicely put together he was.

Speaker 1 (46:36):
Uh, Well, the beginning is a little misleading because we
see the explosion, but we don't know till the end
that he was in the middle of the explosion. So
that's why he's more fucked up in the beginning. But
you're right, you see that and you expect him to
look something like that the rest of the movie, and
then he just looks like a handsome dude. Although he
plays the part really well. Jacob was his name, Jacob
ALORDI I think, uh, he plays the creature very very well.

(47:00):
Uh I'm I'm seeing faces that maybe he doesn't.

Speaker 4 (47:04):
No, I agree, sure, I know.

Speaker 2 (47:07):
I think he's very sympathetic. He plays character very sympathetic,
So in that regard, yeah, he's great. But again that's awful. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (47:18):
Uh again. This is where we start to see the
Wolverine healing, although to the movie's credit, it takes a
while for him to heal.

Speaker 3 (47:24):
Like it.

Speaker 1 (47:25):
He can heal f like, he can heal slowly, but
if you shoot him in stuff, he's got to lay
down for a bit. He doesn't just like run around
just killing everyone. But yeah, he like squeezes the razor
and Victor starts yelling at him. I don't know why
Victor expects him to just be like normal right away.
He's literally been alive for twenty four hours.

Speaker 3 (47:43):
Let's just point out I would like to point out
that Victor would be the worst parent in the whole
wide world. That is what we are learning in these
sequences is that Victor sucks at teaching the creature anything.

Speaker 4 (47:57):
He has no idea how to teach a child anything, and.

Speaker 3 (48:00):
That's it's frustrating to watch, but it also makes a
lot of sense for the story that we're trying to tell.

Speaker 1 (48:08):
Yes, yeah, so you're right. You're right, he sucks at
teaching the creature. He's yelling at him a lot. William
and Elizabeth show up, and Elizabeth meets the creature and
she's very nice and compassionate to him. I would start
screaming and running out of the room if I saw
that fucking thing, even if it was a little handsome,

(48:29):
but it's a stitched up corpse, I would still run away.
But yeah, so right away she's like showing him like
warmth and everything, which is what he got from Victor
right away, and then it was immediately taken away.

Speaker 2 (48:40):
Well yeah five and ripped and he's standing there in
his underwear and she walks and she's.

Speaker 4 (48:45):
Hello, haamana hamana.

Speaker 1 (48:53):
Yeah, she's like playing with the which that looks like
the famous painting of Jesus when the One Disciple pokes
Jesus side where he got stabbed. They put a Jesus
thing in here. Yeah. William's not really thrilled to this.
He's like, what the fuck did you make a giant corpse? Also,
where's her uncle? I like, I like Victors, like you
went away for a couple of weeks. He'll be back.

(49:15):
Let me show you this monster I made him.

Speaker 4 (49:17):
Like, well, it's fine.

Speaker 1 (49:19):
Well that's what he was hiring you for. Why isn't
he here? I thought he was here? Oh yeah, so
oh I just heard an echo on someone. Are we good?

Speaker 2 (49:32):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (49:32):
Never mind, okay, I heard my own voice echoing For
a second. I thought something got messed up.

Speaker 2 (49:37):
Uh.

Speaker 1 (49:37):
So, yeah, she spends time with him. She starts like
teaching him stuff, and I'm like, oh, okay, so Victor
is gonna be the asshole that rejects him and everything,
and she'll teach him how to do all this stuff
and show compassion when when you have her fill this role,
you can get rid of things like him spying on
a family and learning to read, because you're setting up

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that she can do it here. I sure hope they
don't drop this right away and hard pivot to him
spying on a family. Spoiler, they throw away this entire setup,
and then they eventually hard pivot to the book stuff.
I'm like, but you don't have to do that now,
you kinda did it here. What the fuck?

Speaker 4 (50:17):
I hated this so much. So first of all, my
first thought was, oh my god, I can't wait until
they bang. I was like, that's that's what we're sutting.
That's what we're setting up for here, right, Like, that
is what we are setting up for there.

Speaker 1 (50:27):
It seemed like it was going.

Speaker 3 (50:30):
They're like embracing at moments he gives her a leaf.

Speaker 4 (50:35):
It's very romantic.

Speaker 3 (50:36):
I again, I struggled a lot with her character and
what her motives were and why she was making the
decisions that she was making at any given time. And
then all of this. I was literally like, oh, I'm
I'm out. And this is a long movie. It's two
and a half hours.

Speaker 1 (50:53):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (50:55):
At this point, I was starting to tune out, and
there were times, and I'm sad that I did, because,
let me tell you, the latter two thirds of this
film outstanding.

Speaker 4 (51:07):
In my opinion.

Speaker 3 (51:08):
I loved them. I thought that this got so much
better as it went on. At this point, I'm starting
to get tired and nothing is making sense, and I'm
having to deal with this little mini love story, whatever
the heck is happening, enchantment story, I don't know what
to call it. I was like, just stop, just stop
doing this. I almost wish that the movie had been

(51:30):
broken up into two different parts and we had gotten
this as part one and then entirely separate thing as
part two, because it's so vastly different to me.

Speaker 1 (51:40):
Yeah, I get I, you're right, the whole love thing.
They're setting up for a love story, but it never
turns into a love story. So I feel like we're
all just wasting time with this. I don't understand why
they gave Elizabeth so much to do that amounts to nothing.

Speaker 3 (51:55):
The only time that I ever felt like the film
dragged was during these sequences. If we had just caught
all of this, we could have had a nice two
hour long movie, and I probably would have been a
heck of a lot happier.

Speaker 1 (52:08):
Do you think they added more scenes with her because
of how popular she got? Yes, that happens sometimes in movies.
They will add more scenes for an actor because they
got popular, like either dooring production or right before production.

Speaker 2 (52:23):
They're making her like the center of all of the stories.
Victor wants a banger the brother's gonna marry her. Now
she wants to bang the monster makes Victor.

Speaker 1 (52:35):
Victor is jealous of the monster and comes in at No.
He starts beating the shit out of him like he's
trying to teach him stuff, but it's really just an
excuse for him to hit him, which again he has.
The whole thing is like he had an abusive dad,
Now he is becoming the abusive Daddy's repeating the sins
of the father.

Speaker 2 (52:53):
Hurt people, hurt people, Tony.

Speaker 1 (52:55):
Exactly exactly. And I do like this, like freaking whole
Kogan bend in the that was pretty cool with.

Speaker 3 (53:03):
Oh no, I completely disagree with you there, Tony. I
do like the hull Cogan bending of the rod. But
then he is attached to the exact same rod, but
he cannot bend the rod that he is attached. So
he's chained up, and he's chained up to a rod
that looks exactly like this, and he can bend this
one like it's nothing, but he can't get out of

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the chains that he's in.

Speaker 4 (53:25):
Uh huh, I drove me crazy, Kayley.

Speaker 1 (53:28):
Give him a break. He was born yesterday, all right,
He's he'll figure it out. He'll figure it out.

Speaker 3 (53:33):
He has the love of a woman. He has the
love of a woman. He should know how to do anything.

Speaker 2 (53:38):
The move the metal rod out of the thing. It
wasn't attached. It was tweet two big loops.

Speaker 4 (53:45):
He was moving over it in Thank You Vinny.

Speaker 2 (53:49):
It was totally out of the movie. This was one
of those moments I was saying, this makes no sense.
Give him something else to break, have him punched the
wall and have like the conqueror that, Yeah, don't break
do something like that. Don't have it be the exact
same thing he's chained to.

Speaker 1 (54:07):
I know, I do like that. He just leaves Crystal
Falt's body in this like makeshift, worrying me up, blocks
of ice all around, Like, you're not gonna get rid
of that evidence, you're just leaving it. What was his
plan for later on with that shit?

Speaker 2 (54:20):
You expect him not to use the built in morgue?

Speaker 1 (54:23):
Yes, so I guess if they have it. But I like,
he shows Billy and he's like, yeah, I made a mistake.
You should get out of here. You should get out
of here. By the way, don't tell her about the
whole dead hunkle thing. So he sends them off. He's
given up. He asked the monster to say something, because
the whole thing is the monster is only saying Victor.
It does say Elizabeth before this, but he wasn't there

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for it. So he's basically like, I've given up. This
is a mistake. Please just say anything to justify me
giving you a live and then he does say something else,
but it's Elizabeth's name. And then again Victor is such
an asshole. He's like, oh, fuck you, I'll burn the
whole goddamn house down. Yell.

Speaker 4 (55:00):
I actually my brother that I loved this. I thought
this was hilarious.

Speaker 3 (55:07):
I was like, that is exactly exactly what an asshole
like Victor would do. He is he and all. When
the creature says Elizabeth, he goes, he goes, just say
anything other than Victor, and he goes Elizabeth and I
was like, yes, yes, yes, you show.

Speaker 4 (55:27):
Him, you show him.

Speaker 1 (55:30):
Let's see. He lights it all on fire, this creature
screaming Victor, and I like that. He feels guilty for
a second. Uh bring this up. So he's just like, wait,
I feel bad. Maybe I went a little too far.
Maybe I shouldn't have lit ten thousand fucking jars of
oil before he gets the house and blows him up.

Speaker 4 (55:48):
And where did all those stars of oil come from?

Speaker 2 (55:50):
Also the engines and the laboratory, I think because I
mentioned they had diesel engines and.

Speaker 1 (55:56):
There ah, there you go.

Speaker 2 (55:57):
See she said, this is all so part of this
really doesn't make sense either, because the brother and Elizabeth
say goodbye, and then the next thing you know, he's
down there having this whole thing with the monster say something.
Then he's able to douse this and tell your I
don't know, sixteen story tower and gasoline before these people

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are even out of the driveway.

Speaker 1 (56:20):
Yeah, yeah, what the fuck does? They turn around and
they make it back.

Speaker 2 (56:23):
It's like they're there still, I know past by the way.

Speaker 1 (56:30):
They do that movie thing where they're like spilling gas
everywhere and I'm like, it is all over. You don't
like that match re grods not real. But I'm just like,
he walks out, he's spilling everything, but you're gonna let
yourselone fire get the fuck out of it.

Speaker 2 (56:42):
This still is really cool though, this little scene. Yes,
special effects and this are awesome because if when you
watch it, like if you look it, if you're like
a little bit of gore chase or Oscar's leg there's
like blood spurted out of it. Yeah, it's pretty wild.

Speaker 1 (56:58):
Oh so it actually is one of those things where
they set up earlier that he has a prosthetic leg.
So the whole movie you're like, how did it happen
that you're like waiting to see how it happened. It's
like the armless guy in Hot Tub Time Machine when
they can't remember how his harm got cut off, so
they go back at time and remember that part. YEP,
I don't know why. That's the thing I remember most
about Hot Tub Time Machine. I don't understand why wasn't

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that Crispin Glover. I think that was Crispin Glover. You
should know, Kayley, you're you're dropping the ball here.

Speaker 4 (57:24):
I'm not dropping the ball.

Speaker 3 (57:28):
And then dropped the ball though in the sense that
I am not currently married to Crispin Glover.

Speaker 1 (57:34):
One day, one day, I believe in you. I believe
that one of the three of us will marry Crispin
Glover one day, maybe Vinnie. I think Vinnie has the
best shot. But you know, we'll see, we'll see what happens. So, yeah,
Victor tells his story and then the monster shows up.
He's like, what's that fucker saying? Let me tell you
my side of the things?

Speaker 2 (57:52):
Yeah, I thought was Kelly. He's like, well, I'll tell
you my tail dad.

Speaker 3 (58:00):
No.

Speaker 1 (58:00):
I actually I actually do like this better because in
the book he's telling By the way the book, the
captain is writing to his sister everything, He's like, then
I met this guy and here's his life story. And
he's like, and then the guy told me the creature's
life story. So it's like story with a story within
a story. I like this where the creatures just like,
how about I just come and tell you when I
got all the information here?

Speaker 2 (58:19):
Uh?

Speaker 4 (58:19):
I love I love that.

Speaker 3 (58:21):
And also I actually want to jump back a little
bit because again, the first portion of this movie is
Victor's story, and as he is telling the story to
the ship captain, he announces very early on in the
film that he is an unreliable narrator. We don't get
that same preference, preference preference here from the creature. I

(58:41):
love the idea that we get to see everybody's story,
we get to hear everybody's tale, we get to hear
everybody's version of events.

Speaker 4 (58:48):
It's very Rassamon. But it also is.

Speaker 3 (58:53):
You know again, Victor is admitting that he is a
liar very early on in his story, and this is
the creature taking over and saying no, no, no, I'm not
a liar. Let me tell you the actual versions.

Speaker 1 (59:05):
It's really cool he was he was able to break out.
Well is that.

Speaker 2 (59:10):
I'm sorry, But to be fair, Victor really didn't sugarcoat
his side of the story. Victor really does paid himself
as a complete asshole, so you know whatever, that's.

Speaker 4 (59:21):
This is a good point.

Speaker 3 (59:22):
Maybe he's less of a liar than I thought that
he was, even though he claims that he's like maybe
that's how much worse he is in real life?

Speaker 1 (59:29):
Though?

Speaker 4 (59:29):
Is that that is his lying to make himself seem.

Speaker 2 (59:32):
Good, always putting cigarettes out of the boxer.

Speaker 1 (59:38):
Seah, we get the big explosion, he breaks out of
his chains and then he like water slides out of
the fucking mountain. That was cool.

Speaker 4 (59:45):
It's beautiful, but weird it is.

Speaker 1 (59:48):
It is, by the way, it is very vaginal right here.
Oh yes, thing that he's flying out of. It doesn't
help that there's statues of women screaming. I guess it's
like his birth or something. But yeah, he gets out
and he's just out in the world now and again, Uh,
this was part of the book that I like, So
I actually like all of these scenes were about to see,

(01:00:11):
but I felt they were unnecessary because they were setting
up all that Elizabeth shit first again the hard pivot here.
I feel so conflicted. I'm like, no, I always wanted
to see this stuff, but the movie didn't set me up,
but the movie set me up for a whole different
thing happening. And now this feels weird here, even though
it's something I want to see. But I love that
he's out in nature, away from people, and he's like

(01:00:32):
able to, like, you know, deal with the animals and everything.
And then he sees this poor fucking thing get shot
in the face. Real quick. About a special effects? Why
are CGI animals getting worse looking at movies? Anyone noticed this?

Speaker 2 (01:00:44):
AI, I don't know, Toro would not use it out
they look terrible.

Speaker 4 (01:00:51):
This is the answer is Netflix.

Speaker 1 (01:00:54):
It's a lot of things. Uh, what was it? A
few years ago? I think I watched the Predator movie
Prey and then some terrible movie called Day slash them
and both of them had cg idear and I don't know.
I thought after the Ring two in two thousand and three,
we try to make cg idear look better, They've only
gotten worse looking. Anyway. This thing gets his fucking face
blown off. Then he finds the house and he lives

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in the hovel and he spies on the family, and
this is where he learns to read and everything from
the blind Man. He learns how humans interact. Apparently just
no one ever goes in here to check. Again, great
stuff that I always wanted to see, but the movie
was setting up to not needing it. And Vinnie, it
looks like you did it, like this section of the movie.

Speaker 2 (01:01:37):
I understand it's in the book. Yeah, it's also took
me out, Like, nobody smells that fucking thing in the
next room, Well, how long was he there? Nobody goes
into this mill, the mill that's attached to the place.
It's like they're having a garage smell coming from it
for months and months. Yeah, yeah, noises and collaps on.

Speaker 1 (01:02:02):
One thing I liked about the Kenneth Ronen one is
that the hobvel that he's in is full of like pigs,
so everyone expects it to smell like shit and terrible
that's how they get around that. But yeah, although we
don't know if he smells, he's technically alive. He's not
really a walking corpse. He's a living organism.

Speaker 2 (01:02:19):
Now he technically was never taught to shower.

Speaker 1 (01:02:22):
Okay, you got me there, you got Oh wait, this
is like the eighteen hundreds. These people are showering or
bathing regularly.

Speaker 3 (01:02:28):
Yeah, everybody smells like that, Benny, Yeah, everyone probably smells
like shit. I okay, So this is the whole reason
that I wish that this movie was actually cut into
two pieces is because of the incredible tonal shift that
happens here. Yeah, and I think that I would forgive
more the things like the shitty CGI. I think I
would forgive more the things like the Is it a

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little nonsensical that he's never discovered and he's just considered
to be I can't even remember what it is like
the Father of Nature?

Speaker 2 (01:03:00):
Yes, roof and daylight, Kaylee sitting on the roof of
the place reading a book and nobody notices.

Speaker 4 (01:03:14):
A whimsical I loved it.

Speaker 1 (01:03:18):
So yeah, he learns to like love them because he
sees what a family should be. Uh, and he gives
them everything. Uh. Here how about this, Vinny. If they
had cut out all the stupid Elizabeth ship and we
got this section of the movie earlier, would you have
enjoyed it?

Speaker 2 (01:03:37):
It's not that I know I wouldn't have. How did
this stupid monster who's like Victor Victor Victor shot in
the ocean somehow learns how to how to run a farm?
There's so much like ship that you just have to
assume he picked up somehow.

Speaker 3 (01:03:56):
Yeah, I mean he's he's not a baby, So I
guess that does beg the question of if you generate
somebody who is an adult, at what speed do they learn.

Speaker 4 (01:04:08):
Do they learn slower in the same way that adults
learn slower when they learn foreign languages as opposed to kids,
or do they learn faster because there is some inherent
thing about not being a child that allows you to
figure the world out.

Speaker 2 (01:04:23):
Well, mister, he has super strength, he's has wolverine healing factor.
We have him had give him some weakness.

Speaker 1 (01:04:31):
Can he just be well, he's not the brightest, but
he is learning stuff.

Speaker 4 (01:04:38):
Let's give him extra sexy powers.

Speaker 2 (01:04:42):
Dude, He's speaking to Queen's English. By the end of
this thing. He's like, well, let's be telling you my tale.

Speaker 1 (01:04:47):
Well, he learned how to talk, he learned how to read.
So yeah, I like when the wolves attack, which, by
the way, terrible looking wolves. I thought again, c GI animals,
they cgi animals are the worst effect in this. But
I like that he's just like the wolf didn't actually
hate the sheep. The hunters don't. But like death is
like this constant thing that will happen. He's learning about life,

(01:05:08):
but he can't experience it, he can't die.

Speaker 4 (01:05:11):
He's almost jealous. He becomes jealous at this point.

Speaker 3 (01:05:14):
He does not like his own immortality, and that's what
we learn from these sequences.

Speaker 2 (01:05:20):
Oh or you yeah, I know.

Speaker 1 (01:05:24):
So the whole family leaves and the blind man insists
that he stay behind, which bad idea. But I think
the blind man knew that the dude, like you said video,
How do they not know? The blind man seem to
know that there was a guy living there, so he
walks in. And I actually like this because originally it's
just he's there for a little bit and the family
comes home. But I like that he learns, like to

(01:05:46):
read all these books and stuff with the blind man.
The blind man's teaching him about life and everything, which
again is what I thought Elizabeth was going to do,
which is why I got frustrated here. But no, these
are all really good scenes with him and the blind Man.
I actually genuinely liked it. All the books he reads
are the books that he actually read in the novel,
like Paradise Loss. But yeah, he goes back to the

(01:06:07):
castle and he finds Frankenstein's name, so he'll know how
to track him down. How I I don't know. I
don't know how he can read a map or anything.

Speaker 4 (01:06:17):
But he's gonna figure very talented.

Speaker 1 (01:06:20):
He is very talented.

Speaker 4 (01:06:21):
Did you look at his abs? He's so talented.

Speaker 1 (01:06:24):
That's really good ASBs, Like he is super strong and fast.
He could technically just run there, but like, how does
he know which direction to go? It's not like the
blind Man could be like over there. He's got the
worst directions ever. But speaking of blind Man, he comes
from the wolves like fucking are heating his intestines and shit,

(01:06:49):
uh he dies. It's sad, the monster said. And then
this is where the violence took me out of it,
because I'm like, what a heartbreaking scene. The family's coming home.
Obviously he's gonna run away because he's so sad. Instead
it's like, oh, look how cool it is. He ripped
his jaw, and I'm like, this wasn't a moment. This
wasn't the moment for cool gor scene. Even though that

(01:07:10):
jaw rip was fucking awesome, I just felt like it
didn't belong here.

Speaker 2 (01:07:15):
It's I'm sorry, I'm totally interrupting you forget it kind
of harkens back to the original Frankenstein movies. This was
the scene where the little girl gets throted the player
or whatever, and the people are like, we gotta stop
the monster. He hurts somebody that's close to us. Yeah,
like the closest to that. So I kind of forgave this.

(01:07:37):
And also they started shooting at him and stabbed him
in the chest with like a sight and then he
ripped his jaw. It wasn't like a provoked.

Speaker 1 (01:07:45):
I just thought the excessive jaw ripple, like look, how
cool this is? Like this is kind of undermining this
sad moment we had in the movie. Do you feel
the same, Kayley or.

Speaker 2 (01:07:55):
No?

Speaker 3 (01:07:56):
I I like the violence again, I am I am
pro violence in this film. I think that it makes sense.
I think that it makes sense that if we are
questioning the creation of man that we have to explore
the disgustingness of violence. Those two things are completely interconnected
to me. So I like these moments that are just disgusting,
and I think that it makes sense to have those

(01:08:16):
moments immediately after sorrow. My challenge with these sequences relates
much more to the wolves than it does to the humans,
because skins we I mean, the wolves are they like
I get, it's a hard scene to watch. This is
a hard scene to watch.

Speaker 1 (01:08:37):
Yeah, yeah, the wolf skinning, Like, girls aren't gonna like that.
Why are you trying to make this a love story
for girls? They're gonna see the skin skin dog and
they're gonna totally tune out.

Speaker 2 (01:08:48):
Did you lose.

Speaker 1 (01:08:49):
Sympathy for the monster? Did he lose hot points when
he killed the dogs?

Speaker 4 (01:08:53):
He didn't.

Speaker 3 (01:08:54):
It was so again, I understood why he was doing it,
and I can logic myself into things like that.

Speaker 4 (01:09:00):
It's just rare that we get animal death to that
extent of violence.

Speaker 3 (01:09:05):
Yeah, you know, I feel like most movies, especially more
mainstream movies, especially more Netflix movies, they really shy away
from the animal death, and they really shy away from
the kid death. And here we are in a very
graphic scene where we have to see animal death and
I understand it's a wolf, but like, that's pretty dang

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close to a dog.

Speaker 2 (01:09:27):
Yeah, yeah, they're pretty close, all right.

Speaker 1 (01:09:34):
Pretty much the same thing.

Speaker 3 (01:09:35):
Really, Yeah, I'm a dumb woman, I don't know. Talk
to me about his abs again.

Speaker 1 (01:09:41):
So he gets shot, and like you said, he wakes
up and he's like, God, damn it, I'm still alive. Fuck,
I don't want to live. But he's at a point
now where he's just like, all right, I gotta make
some changes here. If I can't die, I got to
find a way to make life worth living. Then we
cut back to what Victor's been doing. He's got his
cool little leg here. Uh, he's still I guess he's

(01:10:03):
not trying to cuck William anymore, but he's still being
weird with Elizabeth, who is people have pointed out she
does look like the bride of Frankenstein here, with the
wrapped up arms and everything. Visually, she looks like the
bride from the original film, which is why I thought
they were going in another direction with her that they
end up not going. But yeah, I'm hearing myself with

(01:10:25):
echo again.

Speaker 4 (01:10:27):
I can hear you echo, now, hello, it went away.

Speaker 1 (01:10:32):
It went away. I have no idea why that happened. Anyway.
I don't even remember what their fight was about. Again,
every time there's a scene with Victor and Elizabeth, I
started to tune out. What were they actually fighting about?
Can anyone remember? Yeah?

Speaker 3 (01:10:45):
So he went in and he is saying, you know,
I know, I'm not supposed to see the bride on
her wedding day.

Speaker 4 (01:10:53):
And she was like, no, no, no, that's just for
the groom.

Speaker 1 (01:10:56):
Yeah, what the fun?

Speaker 3 (01:10:57):
So he is kind of going in and trying to
hit on her a little bit, and she's like, no, no,
I already made my choice. That's effectively the conversation that
they're having right here.

Speaker 1 (01:11:07):
She slaps him. I thought that was funny.

Speaker 4 (01:11:09):
Oh yeah, that was good.

Speaker 1 (01:11:12):
So she leaves and the Monster shows up and he's
just like, hey, uh, thanks for making me not able
to die and putting me in a world that hates me.
Can you make me a lady? And then this is
where book issues come back. The Monster killing William, demanding
a mate, the bride being built and everything, and then

(01:11:34):
Elizabeth being killed when he refuses to make the bride
are like five different chapters, and then for some reason,
del Tora is like, what if I put all of
that into one scene? And I'm like, it feels a
little overstuffed. How do you feel, Vinnie.

Speaker 2 (01:11:49):
I mean, it's interesting because it's very dramatic and it
really kind of drags you back in and you're like,
oh shit, well Victor loses everything. But it's also very abrupt.

Speaker 1 (01:11:59):
It's so it's just one after the other, and I'm like,
why are you cramming all of this into like a
ten minute sequence. Why didn't she just not do some
of this. This whole finale in this section here just
feels so rush to me. Like I said, he gets
into the fight there, Elizabeth comes in, he fucking kills Elizabeth,

(01:12:19):
which I thought was fucked that Victor is the one
who kills her. Uh. And then poor fucking williamcause his
head smashed into a goddamn fireplace. It's just one thing
after the other. It's like stuff that maybe del Toro
wanted to do and didn't have time, so he just
squeezed it all in.

Speaker 2 (01:12:35):
They could have very easily just put in yakety sacks
over this horse. I liked it.

Speaker 4 (01:12:43):
I think you guys are both totally wrong about this.

Speaker 3 (01:12:46):
So one of the things that is always challenging in
a movie that's two and a half hours long is
what is the pacing. And one of the reasons that
I liked the latter half of this film better than
I liked the first half of the film is because
I felt like the pacing here worked really well well.
So I understand that we crammed a lot into a
ten minute sequence, but I never got lost in this sequence.

(01:13:06):
I knew everything that was going on. I understood what
was happening. I was interested. I was on the edge
of my seat. I was feeling for the characters. And
maybe part of that is because of the slow build
up into this moment that allowed me to feel everything.

Speaker 4 (01:13:21):
But I liked it.

Speaker 3 (01:13:22):
I actually really liked that everything got kind of condensed
into this very very quick moment.

Speaker 1 (01:13:28):
I guess. So I guess it worked for you, it
didn't really work for me. But I did love William
as he's dying. By the way, Vidie, we're talking about
the villagers and everything, hunting the monster. Everyone just lets
him walk out the front door with this girl. No
one makes any attempt to stop.

Speaker 2 (01:13:43):
Him, but you know, it's mainly because Elizabeth was a
bore and William was kind of a dick and not
even my gift, go get that off the table.

Speaker 4 (01:13:55):
I don't even like her eyebrows like that, But I
love William.

Speaker 1 (01:14:00):
At the end, he's just like, by the way you
scare me, you're a monster, Victor, you ruin everyone's life.
I'm like, man, that's fucking cold. Yeah, Victor's on the
hunt now he's gonna take on that monster. And then
we have this dumb, fucking shit where she's like, I
never fell at home in the world until I met

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you that one day, and then forgot about you.

Speaker 2 (01:14:25):
What I this is some of the opera bullshit. This
whole set is just garbage.

Speaker 1 (01:14:32):
Yeah, I hated this, Kayley. Can you defend this? Was
this good for you? Or No?

Speaker 4 (01:14:38):
I can't defend this one.

Speaker 2 (01:14:40):
Yeah, it's terrible. They're like in some cave and she's
just like, oh, I'm so glad. It's like she's bleeding
out on a rock. I'm so glad that one time
we met you felt her about things. And I could
be I could be on my way to my honeymoon
right now, but I'm glad I could make you feel better.

Speaker 1 (01:15:00):
Not even honeymoon. I don't even think they ended up
getting married, did they. I'm like, cold have been done
with he could have bet at the reception. Yeah. So
here's where I thought it was gonna go, guys. Since
she's dressed up like the famous Since she's dressed up
like the famous bride of Franken sign from the movie,
and they're developing this love thing. Uh. The Roger Corman

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movie I was telling you about that was the first
one to make Elizabeth the bride, and then Kenneth Bronna
did it again the year later. So that's like a
newer thing, making Elizabeth the bride. I'm like, Oh, that's
what this is building up to. They're gonna do the
bride thing and she'll be the bride and that'll justify
this whole love story and her dying Nope, Nope. And

(01:15:42):
I'm like, oh, Elizabeth didn't of a character. Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:15:47):
I She is my biggest criticism of this movie, and
I can't say it enough. I don't usually want women
to be strong female. I usually really really dislike that.
She is just nothing.

Speaker 3 (01:16:06):
She's nothing, and I think that this movie would have
been so much better without her.

Speaker 2 (01:16:11):
Yeah, everything with her leads to a dead end.

Speaker 1 (01:16:15):
Yeah, yeah, I get Normally I would congratulate them for
having the restraint to not do the Bride because that
was just that movie is the one that popularized that.
But not in this version. I'm like, you, maybe spend
a lot of time with this fucking character. Can I
at least get the zombie version of her?

Speaker 3 (01:16:32):
Like?

Speaker 1 (01:16:32):
What the fuck this is? So? I hate? I hate
this scene. I hate I feel like I'd be really
hard on this movie, but I really have to see scenes.

Speaker 2 (01:16:39):
If half of her scenes went to syphilis written Christoph
wals Way, better.

Speaker 4 (01:16:46):
Just put his brain in her and then everything will be.

Speaker 1 (01:16:49):
Creat Oh I was gonna say that was a clever
reference him wanting to put his brain in the monster.
That's from Ghost of Frankenstein Igor, which is not the
hunchback common misconception. Igor like wants his brain to go
in the monster. That's the whole part of that movie.
So I'm like, wow, they called back to one of
like the lesser known Frankenstein movies. That was fun.

Speaker 4 (01:17:05):
Are we going to get to say our favorite Frankenstein
movie at the end of this.

Speaker 1 (01:17:09):
Yes we can, Okay, thank you? Okay. So yeah, the
creature's pissed because Victor won't give him a lady. He
says like, come on, man, just do it. And then
I like that line where he's like, you're my creator,
but I'm from this stay Ford, I'm your master, and
now I'm gonna just run into the woods even though
I should be making you make the bride, and Franken

(01:17:29):
sin is just like, fuck you, I'm not gonna make it.
I'm just gonna hunt you all over the world. That's
where we get to the North Pole. I did like
this mom where the Monster's just like, you only listen
to me when I hurt you. Yeah. Yeah, that one
was pretty good and I love that the monster here
is just like, I'm gonna keep hunting you, and he's
just like, you better hope this kills me. I love
that movie.

Speaker 4 (01:17:50):
Motherfucker.

Speaker 1 (01:17:51):
Yeah, he's like, oh has this been for me? I
hope to God it kills me, because if not, I'm
gonna keep hunting you until you make me a girlfriend.
He just really wants a girlfriend. Guys. Look, I've been
on board with his regenita regenitive abilities, but did anyone
think this went a little too far? Holding the dynamite
to his face.

Speaker 2 (01:18:11):
Yeah, it's very gloty, tudes.

Speaker 1 (01:18:14):
It is not just that. Okay, maybe he survives, but like,
how do his clothes survive this? That was the weird part.
Like he he like just comes back and he's got
like some embers on his thing. I'm like, no, he's look, guys,
he's crowned zero at that explosion.

Speaker 3 (01:18:30):
So when I said early on, when we started talking
about this that his superhuman stuff was bothersome to me,
this is what I mean.

Speaker 1 (01:18:38):
No, I agree in this moment it was too far.
I'm like, no, that's that's a little too ridiculous.

Speaker 2 (01:18:44):
I love like Tony said, the setup to it was
like you better hope this kills your I'm company to
get all right, all right, and I okay, it just
turned very up, very quick.

Speaker 1 (01:18:54):
But I mean his his outfit needed to be a
little bit more fucked up after this. And then he's like, oh,
some skin came up my eye and like, what the
fuck are you talking about? That explosion would have like
annihilated you. You would come back as a skeleton, which
would have looked awesome.

Speaker 4 (01:19:08):
Uh.

Speaker 1 (01:19:08):
But yeah. Then we wrap up here, Victor apologizes and
the creature gets to forgive him where Originally they don't.
I think Victor dies before the creature shows up, so
they never really get a reconciliation. The creature usually ends
up killing himself, which they can't do in this version.
But I did like the scene where he's like, can
you say my name like you said it the first time,

(01:19:30):
because Victor's like eventually learned. He's like, I kind of
created the same as, made the same mistakes as my dad,
and a backfired on me, and I don't want the
creature to do more horrible things, so let me try
to make amends with him. And I thought it was
a good moment. How did you feel about the ending, Vinnie?

Speaker 2 (01:19:46):
I was good with the ending. I actually kind of
was like, Okay, this is a nice way to go,
and they didn't do the bride thing, which I felt
like by that point in the movie. Yeah, and this
was all very close to the stuff we had just
talked about gonna go. Yeah, if they start trying to
cram that shit into the end of this. So when
I ended at this moment of like I kind of

(01:20:09):
self reflection and realized that he fucked up and then
making an amends with each other, I was like, Hey,
that's actually kind of a nice ending, so good.

Speaker 1 (01:20:18):
It's one we don't usually get. It was nice to see. Ever,
I wish it was attached to a better movie that
I liked, but it was a nice thing that we
don't usually get. Kaylee, how did you feel about this
ending here?

Speaker 4 (01:20:28):
I really like the ending.

Speaker 3 (01:20:29):
I think that I am a little bit more positive
about this film than you guys were. I I love
the sympathetic creature. So King Kong is one of my
favorite characters, and in a similar way, Frankenstein is, and
I think that this ended well for me. I I
felt the feelings throughout this movie, and that's always what

(01:20:51):
I look for in a film.

Speaker 1 (01:20:52):
Okay, so yeah, everyone's sad and then the captain, uh,
much like the novel is just like you know what,
maybe uh, passage to the North Pole is a bad idea.
Everyone's dying. I just saw what this guy tried to
do and he didn't take any accountability and stuff like
we're not gonna make that guy's mistake. Let's go home.
But yeah, then you're right, Vinnie. He just pushes the

(01:21:13):
boat back into.

Speaker 2 (01:21:14):
The ocean, which he did the night before he broke it.

Speaker 4 (01:21:18):
It could have happened.

Speaker 1 (01:21:20):
Wait, Vinny, now that I'm looking at it, before he
pushed the side, so he was just tipping it over.
I think there was still ice behind it. This time
he pushes it from the front, So there you go.

Speaker 2 (01:21:31):
That's dumb.

Speaker 1 (01:21:34):
See they tipped it over. There was still They needed
his superhuman strength to push it out there. Actually they
probably could have waited a couple hours. Some of that
ice might have melted. So yeah, they sail off and
he gets to see the sunlight, and then we get
the guy I think Mary Shelley was really in love with,
instead of Shelley. A quote from him, Lord Byron, Thus

(01:21:55):
the heart will break he had brokenly live on. And
that's the end of Frankenstein. All right, Hinny overall, now
that we've talked about it, you were disappointed initially. How
do you feel about it now?

Speaker 2 (01:22:08):
It's a mid movie, man, it's mid It's something I
had high hopes for and all the way around. I mean,
at best, it's a six and a half like to me,
I don't know, all right, Kaylee, how did you feel?

Speaker 3 (01:22:24):
I I really loved it. However, I will admit that
it has many many flaws. I don't know if I
loved it because I'm just biased that I think I'm
gonna love anything that del Toro does. But I think
that it was a great retelling of a really interesting story.
I think that it was a retelling that we don't
frequently get to see. I think it was stunningly gorgeous.

(01:22:45):
So the moments that were boring still felt interesting because
they were so beautiful. Because this is a movie that
you could needle drop and put the screen capture as
art on your wall, you almost forget it for all
of its flaws. I really truly wish if I could
go back and watch this movie again, I would have

(01:23:08):
watched part one Victor's telling, and then I would have
gone to sleep, and then the next day I would
have watched the other stuff.

Speaker 4 (01:23:16):
That is how I would have preferred to watch this.

Speaker 1 (01:23:18):
Clearly, that's exactly how I watched it. I got to
like the part two because I started watching it late
at night, and I'm like, well, let me just watch
the rest of the learning and actually flows a lot
better when you do that. Yeah, yeah, I I'm kind
of more leaning with Vinnie. I'm like on the fence
with it. I again, when it's really good, it's good
production design. All that stuff is great. I appreciate the

(01:23:42):
stuff it did adapt I just think the stuff that
he wanted to do mixed with the source material it
did it mesh. He didn't figure out a way to
get it all to mesh quite right. And again, Elizabeth
is the big hang up for me.

Speaker 3 (01:23:53):
I was gonna say, I think you remove Elizabeth in
this movie, isn't.

Speaker 1 (01:23:56):
The movie gets a lot better if she's just her
classic role of just lady who's another victim of the
creature with another consequence of Frankenstein's action. Totally fine, But
the love with Victor and the love with the monster
just fucking fumbles. It is.

Speaker 4 (01:24:15):
Women are very dumb. We have to.

Speaker 1 (01:24:20):
Vinnie, what's your favorite Frankenstein movie. Oh?

Speaker 2 (01:24:22):
Man, if you're blue, you don't know where to go.
You got to put on the wrists. It's Young Frankenstein, Baby,
Always and Forever.

Speaker 1 (01:24:29):
But me and Casey reviewed that last month. That's my
favorite comedy of all time.

Speaker 4 (01:24:33):
Kay, yeah, VINNI, Vinnie is right. There is nothing better
than Young Frankenstein. That movie is outstanded.

Speaker 3 (01:24:42):
I will say, though I do I don't think that
I will watch delts Horro's version of Frankenstein on repeat.
I think this is one of the best adaptations, but
Young Frankenstein is the obvious answer to this question.

Speaker 1 (01:24:55):
Yeah, and in terms of accuracy, this is now the
third most act great adaptation of the film, although the
production design is a little bit better than the other
two that I mentioned, because again, one of them is
a Hallmark movie. I actually, uh, I love the Universal
ones obviously. I actually just watched them, a bunch of
them with my nieces. They got real into the Universal Monsters.

(01:25:19):
Vin either three, the Twins. They're like, they love Frankenstein
and the Wolf fan everything, but there's this new fun thing.
And Vinnie, you fucked up. You called the monster Frankenstein.
I don't know if you know that you did that.
It's the creature. No. But what's funny is I'm the asshole.

Speaker 2 (01:25:35):
Great, here's the thing.

Speaker 1 (01:25:36):
I'm the asshole uncle that's making sure that's what they
call the monsters. I'm like Frankenstein monster, Frankensteim monster. And
I realize now they will say Frankenstein around everyone, but
when they're talking to me they correct themselves, so they're
only doing it for me. They're like, yeah, and I
like Frankenstein and they paused, like monster, and they look
at me and for like approval, like all right, girls,
it's not that serious. We can relax. It's we're like

(01:25:59):
a fun They overcompensated the other day they were like
Wolfman Monster, Like, no, just Frankenstein.

Speaker 3 (01:26:05):
So you're also an abusive father figure to talking about.

Speaker 1 (01:26:09):
I'm educating them. I'm telling them the truth.

Speaker 4 (01:26:12):
It's monster.

Speaker 2 (01:26:13):
Give me your leg, give me your leg.

Speaker 1 (01:26:18):
There's a new one. Now she's only a month old.
But I was just like, you better be listening to
all right, it's Frankenstein Monster.

Speaker 4 (01:26:25):
They all of a sudden are bending rebarb.

Speaker 2 (01:26:30):
Oh.

Speaker 1 (01:26:32):
By the way, I think the best Frankenstein ever was
frankenfed in the old web series Mummy Cup that I
made out of colleague. Yeah, I think are unbiased. I
think that was the best Frankenstein. That also has the
best Mummy Dracula and all the other Vinny, where did
you go? Why don't you want to know more about
my web series from Vinny? Vinny?

Speaker 3 (01:26:53):
How could we have ever forgotten this? We were thinking
about young Frankenstein. We're idiots.

Speaker 1 (01:26:58):
Obviously, Mummy Cup has the best version of all the
classic monsters. Okay, uh we're gonna get into super chats,
but real quick, VI, where can we find you?

Speaker 2 (01:27:10):
You can find me at the creepoff dot com. And
coming up next Monday, I'm very excited to announce my
show with the Great cardiffal Electric subred at Surfing is
returning Monday, eye Yeah YouTube channel, So tune in for
that at eight o'clock. Very excited.

Speaker 1 (01:27:26):
Sweet, I was a guest on that a long time ago.

Speaker 2 (01:27:28):
I love that show, buddy boy, we're doing it, We're
doing We're back.

Speaker 4 (01:27:33):
But uh wait did you say that was Monday?

Speaker 1 (01:27:36):
Yeah?

Speaker 4 (01:27:37):
Oh that's so exciting.

Speaker 2 (01:27:39):
Yeah, Monday, Monday at eight. All right, you're gonna like
it too. I'll even blow the lead. The subredit that
we're gonna be covering is called our slash LinkedIn lunatics
all the office maniacs, and we're gonna talk about it.

Speaker 1 (01:27:56):
I I never use LinkedIn like legit, uh so I
would actually check that out. I want to see how
fucked it gets? Does Linkedlin get fucked?

Speaker 2 (01:28:06):
People are douchebags out there, bro. I spent five minutes
on that page and I probably pulled like fifteen things
to look at. Already.

Speaker 1 (01:28:14):
There was a reddit that used to go after me,
and they like made up all these theories based off
what they found on my LinkedIn and this is like
twenty eighteen. I'm like, I stopped using on twenty fourteen.
That's super outdated. Why are you going based off that, Kaylee?
What do you got going on over it? Once Over
with Kaylee?

Speaker 3 (01:28:32):
Well, it's great because on Monday night you're gonna go
check out subreddit surfing, and then on Tuesday night you're
gonna come over to Once Over with Kaylee c A
Y L E Y and watch a new episode of
Lucy does Dabble Verse with Blind Mike.

Speaker 4 (01:28:47):
It's gonna be a great episode.

Speaker 3 (01:28:48):
We're taking a little bit of a break from my
normal movie reviews this week. We're gonna be talking about
some dabble Verse stuff. I got some really crazy lull
suit related things about the lawsuit where stuttering John Male
is suing our buddies Carl and Shuli. I'm forcing both
of you to be buddies with them right now. In
addition to that, though you're bringing up all these funny subbreddits,

(01:29:12):
I'm also going to be doing a new series on
Once Over with Kaylee where I am talking about the
good old Usenet days.

Speaker 4 (01:29:20):
We're going back to the early early early days.

Speaker 3 (01:29:22):
Of the Internet and we are going to be talking
about why a chocolate chip cookie is the entire reason
that all of us are on the Internet now.

Speaker 1 (01:29:31):
I would like to hear that, Yes, you also have
that new show edge Files right.

Speaker 3 (01:29:35):
Oh, yes, of course absolutely, so you can catch me
on edge Files. It's about every other Monday, and that
is with Luigi Greenberg and Drunker Andy from All Apologies podcast.
It is absolutely great. We talk about things that are
on the edge of society and it is wonderful. And
also of course the Shoeli network every Thursday night. Who
are these podcasts? Randomly, whenever Carl will have me, I will.

Speaker 1 (01:30:00):
Say, uh, you said you were doing less movie reviews,
but you did do one for Salt Lake City Punk,
which was really good. I watched that the other day.
It was great.

Speaker 3 (01:30:06):
You Yeah, No, the movie reviews will absolutely still be
in there. I can't stay away from talking about movies.
It's one of my favorite things to do.

Speaker 1 (01:30:14):
Watch Kelly, look up all the dabble Verse drama. Don't
look up any Devilvers drama involving me. For the love
of God, my brief Stitt in the dabble Verse, which.

Speaker 4 (01:30:23):
It's actually what we're going to be talking about on Tuesday.
If I really hear about Tony, I will kill you
on once over with I.

Speaker 1 (01:30:33):
Don't know anything about There's no controversy anyway. Thug Waffle
became a YouTube member. Judabides for five dollars GMO Del
Toro version or Kenneth Brona version. I look, when's the
last time either of you guys watched the Kenneth Brona versions.

Speaker 4 (01:30:52):
I think you guys know that my answer to this
is Del Toro.

Speaker 2 (01:30:56):
You know that other version of it is really never
my favorite. I think I watched it once and I
was done with it, So I would say probably two
thousand and one, Yeah, saw that movie.

Speaker 1 (01:31:07):
I'd say watch it again. I'd become obsessed with that movie,
just because I love how much like so Frantz Koppola
produced it. It was the spiritual successor at A Dracula,
and for me, I've become so fascinated how one did
so well and the other one just had the complete
opposite reaction. I love that movie. It's not great, but
I kind of like of how big of a disaster.

(01:31:28):
I love overly ambitious disasters, and that's become like one
of my favorites. Say, I'll probably watch the Kenneth browna
version one more uh, and it is more accurate, but
I like both.

Speaker 4 (01:31:39):
Uh.

Speaker 1 (01:31:39):
I'll probably lean more toward Branna, but Del Toro is
also really good. But I think Del Toro wins out
of the this lineup here, Bryant Mingo Junior gives five
dollars for nothing and then he comes back for five
more dollars. Which monster do you find is more sympathetic.

Speaker 4 (01:31:59):
King Kong?

Speaker 1 (01:32:00):
I was not to say, I'm like, what what do
you mean?

Speaker 4 (01:32:04):
King Kok? King Kong is the fucking answer to that question.

Speaker 2 (01:32:07):
I don't know those scenes where they just left him
chained the thing down there that he could have broken
out of, and he looked like a sad puppy. They
felt bad for the monster.

Speaker 1 (01:32:18):
For Frankenstein's monster to thank you, thank you, he had
to be there. A little Gabby goes frank like monster
like with fear in her eyes, like I never yelled
at you before. Relaxed. Corn A Cab is a member
for eighteen months. He says, haven't watched yet, but my

(01:32:38):
mug is on the way that's right. If you're a
ten dollars patron, every three months you get a new
piece of merchandise mail to you. This guy's getting the
mug with my face on it. You guys can get
a mug with my face on it and it's great. Uh.
Anthony Hudak for two dollars, says zero stars. Can't believe
they cut out Barragon. Any you have any idea what
that's a reference to? Okay, Toho No Toho made called

(01:33:05):
Frankenstein Conquers the World. Uh, Vivie, you want to know
the open I love telling people the opening of this movie.
Vivie's the opening of Frankenstein Conquers the World. The Nazis
send the Frankenstein monster heart to Japan for scientists to
experiment on, and they experiment on the heart in Nagasaki

(01:33:27):
the day it gets nuped. Decades later, there's a Frankenstein
monster running around who turns into a giant. Unrelated, there's
a pink monster called Barragon that also comes to life
and they fight. Barragon eventually becomes a Godzilla character. He
shows up in two Godzilla movies, and depending on what ending,

(01:33:49):
which version of the movie you're watching. Uh, he either
fights Barragon and that's the end, or he fights Barragon
and then an octopus shows up for no reason because
the producer said he wanted an octopus in the movie,
and that's where they threw it in. You gotta check
it out. Frank Stein Cocker's The World. It's great.

Speaker 2 (01:34:05):
And I thought the boat opening of this one was.

Speaker 1 (01:34:10):
It's literally like it's the spaaramd on the heart. What's
that sound like? That's the fucking I watched that for
the first time years ago to that's hilarious. Oh fuck, Piko,
Jack Black is leaving. He's so mean to me. For
five dollars, Tony, you would make a great Frankenstein's Monster
because he's already aploated corpse and hasn't had a good

(01:34:32):
haircut in years. Hashtag wide face, hashtag Italian Josh gad
And this is where you guys tell Piko that he's mean. Right. Oh.

Speaker 3 (01:34:42):
I was gonna say I support this message, but I
didn't get the memo beforehand.

Speaker 1 (01:34:47):
Sorry, Vinnie, you'll call him.

Speaker 2 (01:34:51):
I agree, he would be an awful Frankenstein's Monster. You're right, Tony,
you'd be the worst one.

Speaker 1 (01:35:01):
Do I have a wide face, Vinny, Yes, okay, Moonhead,
shut up? What pray burritos for one ninety nine. I'm
not happy Tony is in shirtless for this movie. I
assume he means review I'm not actually in the movie.
Uh No, Well, look I lost Wade and gain some muscle,

(01:35:21):
but we're not shirtless Tony yet. We were still got
a while ago. Uh for two dollars, Anthony Whodak? Who
would win the Creature or the New Count.

Speaker 2 (01:35:29):
Orlock the Creature?

Speaker 4 (01:35:31):
The creature kind of Oarlock does have like shadow power rocks.

Speaker 2 (01:35:36):
Drag him into the movie, drag him out in the
daylight and just watch him. What is he gonna do?

Speaker 4 (01:35:40):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (01:35:41):
All blot out that he comes back to life as
a double immortal vampire Frankenstein.

Speaker 1 (01:35:48):
We reviewed at nos for. I thought I was gonna
like Nonstu way more than I ended up liking it.
How did you guys? Did you guys like nonsarrat?

Speaker 4 (01:35:57):
I was shockingly disappointed.

Speaker 1 (01:36:01):
Yeah, I don't know why.

Speaker 3 (01:36:02):
I just it had all the pieces there for me,
and I love I love Aggress. Yeah, there was just
something wrong with it, you know. Honestly, Actually that isn't
a bad comparison though, because I feel like that's kind
of the same thing that's going on with Del Toro's Frankenstein.

Speaker 4 (01:36:16):
We all love Del Toro.

Speaker 3 (01:36:17):
We started out talking about that there's just something that
doesn't fully fit where.

Speaker 4 (01:36:25):
It's just missing a little something. Yeah, it doesn't have
the Jena se Quah.

Speaker 1 (01:36:30):
You're right, Okay. If Orlock is not using his shadow
disappearing powers, then one hundred percent the creature wins in
a physical hand to hand combat. Orloc could barely fucking
walk in that movie Piko Jab Black for five dollars.
One of my fears is that Tony will one day
take off his shirt to reveal a I Love Josh
Gad tattoo on his chest and scars of his failed

(01:36:54):
surgery hashtag stopped Tony see again?

Speaker 2 (01:36:57):
Did misconceptions that I love tattoo is on his thigh
in her thigh?

Speaker 4 (01:37:04):
Why does Vinny know that?

Speaker 2 (01:37:09):
Guys?

Speaker 1 (01:37:09):
I hate Josh Kadd. I really hate Josh kadd And
that's why I didn't watch History of the World Part two,
and that's why I won't be watching space Balls too,
because fucking Josh Gadd's attached to it. Oh, they're making
younger Frankenstein, and I swear to God, if Josh Gad's
in that too, I'm gonna blow my head off.

Speaker 2 (01:37:25):
I don't know if they're making younger Frankenson. I've about
had it with the World.

Speaker 1 (01:37:29):
I guess mel Brooks he's I mean, he's nearing the end,
and for some reason, he's green lighting all these really
late sequels to his work. History of the World Part
two was like a Hulu series. No one even knew
it came out, so I don't understand why he's doing this.

Speaker 4 (01:37:46):
Tony, that's your favorite is a way too late sequel.

Speaker 1 (01:37:50):
Way too late comedy, Sequela PEQUI find comedy. Yeah, fuck it.
I'll never fucking forgive you for Dumb and Dumber two.
I an I went ten years not seeing Dumb and
Dumber two, and no I fucking hated it was.

Speaker 3 (01:38:08):
Everybody go over to my channel once Over with Kaylee
and watch our review of it and find out how
much Tony loved Dumb and Dumber two.

Speaker 1 (01:38:15):
I'm gonna get you. We're doing Dumb and Dumber. I'm
punishing you with the prequel. Although the prequel is not
as bad as too, so you might end up liking it.

Speaker 2 (01:38:22):
What the fuck.

Speaker 4 (01:38:23):
No, no, you are wrong, wrong again, Tony?

Speaker 1 (01:38:27):
What's so MD for five dollars? Tony, you need to
see the nineteen ninety two movie to judge the faithfulness
against the lesser auted patients? Is that's the one Randy Quaid.
I think that's the where Randy Quaid is the monster.
Hold on me find a picture of this. Yeah, that's
a you guys want to see Randy Quaid as the monster?

Speaker 2 (01:38:51):
I guess. I mean I can live without it.

Speaker 1 (01:38:56):
Fuck you, you're gonna see a really compressed image. I
couldn't find a good new so that should tell you
how available this movie is. Look at that's awesome. That's all.
That's a Frankenstein monster right there. If I ever seen one.
Oh look who it is? For one nine Crystal? Uh
Kaylee is so freaking hoot.

Speaker 2 (01:39:20):
I didn't fuck I did not know that Crystal was
as big of a True crime fan she apparently.

Speaker 1 (01:39:29):
Uh wow, the internet in Rochester is really bad. I
don't know. Uh isn't that crazy? They both left when
Crystal started getting compliments. Well wait, this is your video,
this is your first episode. You're not allowed to be
nice to Crystal?

Speaker 2 (01:39:43):
Okay, yeah, I want your black phone to review, and
she was talking about like all the serial killers and
all of her knowledge of them, and I was impressed
by that.

Speaker 1 (01:39:52):
Okay, well have her on the creep Off then, geez,
come on anytime you want. What the fuck I've never
I've never been on the I was on a Patreon
thing and that was it, you asshole.

Speaker 4 (01:40:05):
She would do an amazing job on creep Off. She would.

Speaker 2 (01:40:08):
She would get Crystal from this. Okay, okay, if you
give me Crystal for that, we're even for me doing
your show.

Speaker 1 (01:40:15):
Okay, awesome, Now Crystal Crystal would be one hundred percent better.
I agree with that for that show. Uh, Pike o
Jet Black for two dollars. Kaylee and Vinnie helped Tony
with this dating problem. No, Kayley, you're not allowed to
help Vinnie. What should I be doing dating wise?

Speaker 2 (01:40:34):
Well, you should find a shrink right for your head.

Speaker 4 (01:40:43):
And you didn't want my help.

Speaker 1 (01:40:46):
That's funny. I posted a picture about how I'm not
as fat as I was, and all the comments were like,
your head looks bigger now, and I'm like, I can't
fucking win with all you assholes. I hate you all
so much. Pike O Jet Black for dollars Tony pay
Johannah h Paper, Johanna and Crystals dinner already Nope, never
doing it again. Pikaye Black thoughts on Tony's rumored use

(01:41:08):
diaper collection.

Speaker 4 (01:41:13):
I'm positive negative.

Speaker 2 (01:41:17):
I don't know, thoughts. It's way bigger than you think
it is.

Speaker 1 (01:41:25):
I love you. What the fuck? Bichoh Daniel Fall for
two dollars Tony put your head to your camera say
fire bad? Oh okay, hold on that fire bad? There
you go. Oh get scared, Vinny, it's terrified.

Speaker 4 (01:41:48):
Uh.

Speaker 1 (01:41:48):
And then Crystal Quinn for one nine one. Yes, I
love Drue Crime. You tell me when and I'm on
and that seems like it's it. Thank you all.

Speaker 3 (01:41:56):
For watching our Can I just say one thing, yes,
one more thing. I'm so sorry to interrupt. I just
want to say rob K, let's never forget that I'm
better than Tony.

Speaker 1 (01:42:09):
Hold on Kelly for Kelly, how are you so amazing?

Speaker 2 (01:42:13):
Shut up?

Speaker 1 (01:42:14):
Crystal? God damn it?

Speaker 4 (01:42:15):
Thank you, Crystal Dny.

Speaker 1 (01:42:17):
I don't know if you know this. Me and Kelly
had a custody for rob K ladder match.

Speaker 4 (01:42:23):
And I won.

Speaker 1 (01:42:24):
Yeah, he chose her over me. During boys month of
all to be portrayed.

Speaker 2 (01:42:29):
I immediately assumed Kelly won that because there was a ladder involved.

Speaker 1 (01:42:36):
Was it a physical ladder?

Speaker 4 (01:42:37):
Okay for the ladder, I'm just saying that we all
know that I'm better than Tony.

Speaker 1 (01:42:45):
Fuck you.

Speaker 2 (01:42:47):
I think you're great.

Speaker 4 (01:42:50):
You.

Speaker 1 (01:42:50):
I invite you onto my show and you're real mean
to me.

Speaker 2 (01:42:53):
I'm thankful to be here. I'm not insulting you many.

Speaker 1 (01:42:58):
You gotta come on more. You let me know your
I was probably couldn't do this in person.

Speaker 2 (01:43:02):
I was going down to Bluebell, but I was in
and out. I was down there in Philadelphia away on Monday,
but it was a nightmare. Bro I worked in a
company called Golf Hecklers, and I go out to the
golf courses and I, you know, bother people while they
try to swing, and I get paid handsomely. It's a
lot of fun. But on Monday they sent me down
to Philadelphia for this last tournament of the year that's

(01:43:24):
been postponed three times. It was like the temperature went
from fifty five degrees at ten am to like twenty
degrees by noon. Yeah, and I wished I was dead.
So like I was no way we were doing a show.
I was here.

Speaker 1 (01:43:39):
I assumed it was getting care because the weather was shit.
I'm like, well, obviously they canceled that, but now you
can tell me you actually.

Speaker 2 (01:43:44):
Show up, made me go do that shit. It was awful.

Speaker 1 (01:43:49):
Uh so yeah, if you want to get heckled by
Vinnie d DM and for details, I guess yes. That
is it from us, guys. Goodbye everyone, good Bye Tony.

Speaker 4 (01:44:00):
Thank you guys,

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