Is The Fly Better Than The Thing - Hack The Movies (#421)

Is The Fly better than The Thing? Both are classic 80s horror remakes and both are almost universally loved. We revisited this Cronenberg classic and talk about how fantastic it is. From the insane special effect to the brilliant acting by Jeff Goldblum and Geena Davis! Logan from  @videovillaentertainment  joins me for this episode.

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
Hi, everyone, Tony from Act the Movies here and today
we're talking about The Fly David Cronenberg's The Fly and
is this a fantastic remake? Let's find out today on
Act the Movies Apes, we're talking talk talk, talking about tapes. Hello, Logan, Hey,
what's up. I've come back to your place. Yes, I decided,

(00:23):
you know what, one Baltimore episode with Geena Davis wasn't enough.
I need to come back to Baltimore to talk about
a different Gena Davis movie. Are there any other Geena
Davis movie? Are there any other people in Baltimore that
I can record with talk about Geena Davis movies? Unplanned,

(00:43):
it just kind of worked out that way, like, oh,
two Geena Davis movies. I'm like, oh, I'm traveling to
the same place for both. Uh. Yeah, we're talking about
The Fly movie.

Speaker 2 (00:52):
I love. Oh, it's great.

Speaker 1 (00:54):
Last time I was here, you guys are probably looking
at this McFarlane Fly figure. Logan watched my episode with
Joe de Rosa where I mentioned that I lost mine
in a move and you bought me one, which I'm
very grateful for. It's now on the toy wall off
the set. It's offset, but it's on the toy wall.
I'm like, there it is. I still want to know
whatever happened to my original one. I don't know why

(01:16):
that was the one thing I lost in the move
of all, did you try to pose it? Because I noticed, like, man,
these things. No, it never came out of the box.
I left that one in the box because once I
at that point, I was smart enough to know that
McFarland toys kind of fall apart, especially there's hair and stuff. Yeah,
like my my sleepy hollow horseman. His the rubber on
his legs are just dissolved. And I'm like, I'm gonna

(01:38):
keep this one in the box. So when I lost it,
I was like, come on, that was the one I
left in there. So uh, I decided, hey, let's do
the fly for uh, for no particular reasons, I do
the fly. Have you ever seen the original fly?

Speaker 2 (01:52):
I can remember a little bit of it from like
Turner Classic movies growing up on Yeah, and that's about it.

Speaker 1 (01:59):
Man, I'm glad you met that. Yeah, so I watched
this fly on TNT. It might have been Monster Vision,
it might have been Joe Bob Briggs. I'll have to check.
If you ever had it on his show.

Speaker 2 (02:09):
It's Insect Night on Monster Vision.

Speaker 1 (02:11):
The Fly the Swarm. Yeah, I think ID and TNT
and I think I watched. I think they played it
a few nights in a row because I remember my
grandfather really hype in this movie up and I got
to watch it. I think it got too late and
like they told me to go to bed, and then
I got to stay up late the next night to
watch the end of it, and I loved it. Give on,
I'm watching the edit it for cable version.

Speaker 2 (02:33):
Oh yeah.

Speaker 1 (02:33):
So even with that, I love the movie. I'm like,
this is everything I love. It's got the Jurassic Park
guy in it. Uh, it's got cool special effects. It's gross.
And then years later I would watch on HBO. I'm
like this way. But yeah, so I really got into
The Fly, and I remember Turner Classic Movies. They would
play the original and I watched it, but they also

(02:55):
played like a documentary of like all the Fly movies.
I think you have how many Fly movies are there?
You have box set?

Speaker 2 (03:00):
Yeah, there's four, there's four firm sorry sorry, five including
this one that we're talking about is five. Yes, it
will fly one Fly two at all of them, it's five.

Speaker 1 (03:08):
Yeah, so there's two of these, and then there's yeah,
there's three, Yeah, there's Fly whatever. The second one was.

Speaker 2 (03:13):
Yeah, Fly, Return of the Fly, and the Curse of
the Fly.

Speaker 1 (03:17):
Curse the Fly. I can't recall anything from the second
and third one. I think one of them is black
and white. I think they they go back to black
and white. They lost some money. They're like, let's just
make this one black white. But it's from nineteen fifty eight.
I watched it yesterday at the park. Remember that brand
deal I did where I had those glasses that had
video screens. Yeah, I remember I had those, and I'm like, oh,
let me put those babies on. So I just walked

(03:38):
the park watching Vincent Price being like, ah, my brother's
a fly. That movie is fun. It's very dated. Uh,
it's very of its time, the original Fly. It's maybe
it hit better in nineteen fifty eight, but it's framed
as a mystery.

Speaker 2 (03:53):
I think actually, to be honest, like a lot of
people said it didn't even hit then, like a lot
of it it had, like I had, it was well
known as like this movie is awful.

Speaker 1 (04:01):
Really, it's not bad.

Speaker 2 (04:03):
I think when I hear people talk about it lid
back then, they're like, oh, that movie. The only reason
I say that is because I was watching the behind
the scenes in this one. Everyone they were like, you
want to remake that?

Speaker 1 (04:13):
Well, yeah, I was listening to any of your cronaberg
He's like, I liked it. People have fond memories, but
I always thought it was kind of cheesy, and it is.
It is. He's very cheesy. It's not bad though, the
problem is it's framed as like a mystery, where the
beginning it's like this wife killed her husband. Yeah, and
then the brother's like why did she do that? And
then like I guess maybe in nineteen fifty eight maybe
it was a surprise, But for me, I'm like, oh,

(04:35):
it's because he turned into a fly.

Speaker 2 (04:36):
It's pretty bloody. Yeah, that opening scene with her and
with the machine press. There's blood every year.

Speaker 1 (04:45):
But like the whole movie is like trying to figure
out what the mystery was. But for me, I'm just like, hey,
he turns it to a fly, and it's like very
obvious what happens, and then like maybe this will work
and cure you. But you, as the viewers, like, well, no,
I saw the beginning of the movie and it doesn't.
So the whole mystery angle doesn't work because it's very predictable.
But that could just be I'm from a different generation

(05:08):
back then, maybe it wasn't as predictable. Yeah, I'd have
to go back and look at some old reviews. So
maybe some reviewer was like, very predictable. It was they
did something similar and uh whatever. It came out a
few months prior. I don't know. It was based off
a story too, which you never read.

Speaker 2 (05:24):
It was. It was a short story published in June's
issues of the nineteen fifty seven Playboy.

Speaker 1 (05:30):
Oh wait, I remember that. Yeah, I remember that from
the TMC documentary. Yeah, it was a Playboy short.

Speaker 2 (05:35):
Sty Yeah, and uh, because I was looking at him,
I was like, oh shit, because I don't worry. I
love this movie. This movie is out of the four
remakes from the eighties, Like I I we did that.
We've already done the Blob and we've done the Thing,
the Thing and Invaders from Mars.

Speaker 1 (05:50):
Invaders from Mars. Yeah, tell that that's that's the one
that's not as remember because I literally just went, what's
the fourth one?

Speaker 2 (05:57):
But I will say, like after we watching this man
like I love the Thing told me wrong. I love
the Blob, And if I don't remember what I said
on those episodes, I think that wont be the best one. Really,
I mean, the Thing is good, but this doesn't. The
subject matter is completely different based off of like seeing one,
like no one loves anybody in the in the movie

(06:20):
The Thing, you know what I mean?

Speaker 1 (06:21):
This has like Russell. I did try and fail throughout
college to look like Kurt Russell in the Thing, but
I don't have wavy hair. I have my shitty, curly hair,
and I'm looking at the figure over there and I'm
like all I wanted to do is look like Kurt Russell.

Speaker 2 (06:34):
So so I like someone I love someone from the
You know what, I'm gonna get your sombrero. You need
a good songbro, that'll that'll pull in your Kurt Russell.

Speaker 1 (06:42):
But but if you think I haven't looked into those hats,
they're fucking expensive. Like I know, I'm your friend, I
am not close up for you to justify the price
tag on that. Holy shit, I would feel bad if
you bought me. I'm like, no, I've been looking at
these for twenty years. They're a very expensive hat, trust me,

(07:02):
I thought, if you're wondering why I'm not wearing that
hat all the time, is because I looked at the
price tag went oh no no, no, no, no, no, god, it
looks so good in that hat. Anyway, Yeah, yeah, so
I you might have a point where, like character, this
one is definitely more character driven.

Speaker 2 (07:18):
Yes, yes, it is a well it's a character study
pretty much.

Speaker 1 (07:21):
Yes, yes, but I mean it is. It's one of
those perfect remakes, like The Thing and The Blob, where
it's like we're gonna take the same idea and just
do it differently, but enough that it's still well. The
Thing not so much, but that's because the original film
ignored the story. Yes, so much so that one kind
of gets a pass. But like the Blob basically is
the original Blob. They just add some twists, the effects

(07:45):
are better, just different characters in it. It ends up
being its own thing. Yeah, while still saying true and
I think this does the same thing as well. No, yeah,
they have a different They get rid of the mystery
angle because again, it didn't really work as a mystery.
So someone wrote the script and mel Brooks, of all people,
got it. Mel Brooks, I think, is uncredited as a

(08:06):
producer on both of these, but he was doing that
for a while. Mel Brooks was producing movies that you
went and think for mel Brooks movies like the The
Elephant Man. David Lynch's Elephant Man was one of the
big ones.

Speaker 2 (08:16):
It's crazy because the things I do wonder if it
actually says his production company on the back, so you
would assume that it is a mel Brooks movie, but
it is just saying Fox Company. So the Brooks Films
is not on the back of the box.

Speaker 1 (08:27):
Yeah, which is weird, but yeah, you're right.

Speaker 2 (08:29):
He did The Elephant Man, which, uh shoot, was it Cornfield?
Cornfield the main producer of the film. Oh okay, okay,
I went to mel Brooks. When he went to mel Brooks,
that was the big thing. Is like he gave him
the script and he basically was like, I don't like

(08:52):
I don't like the script.

Speaker 1 (08:53):
Okay, yeah, Cronin brook said he didn't like it.

Speaker 2 (08:55):
Yeah, yeah, I don't I don't like this script. He's like,
but you know, I know because at the time they
were trying to get Kroneberg. He's like, okay, this script
but with Kronberg, and he like, I've heard good things
about chrome.

Speaker 1 (09:07):
Well, he liked it enough. He was just like I would.
He said, he threw away the first seventeen pages. Yeah,
and when we go through story by story, if the
movie feels like they just threw out the first seventy pages, yeah,
it's crazy. But yeah, so he rewrote it. He like
touched up the cave and he said there was enough
good stuff in the script to not completely throw it out. Uh,
but he took it because he thought, uh, you know,

(09:29):
you do like a big studio film and then you
get get to do whatever you want. And it didn't
work out that way because he wanted to do Dead
Ringers and he said it still took a while for
that to happen, but this is his biggest movie at
the time because he had already done video drone and
scanners and scanners and I think the Dead Zone at
this point.

Speaker 2 (09:45):
Yeah, yeah, did the Dead Zone? Have you seen Dead Ringers?

Speaker 1 (09:49):
By chance? I have not.

Speaker 2 (09:51):
Now that's okay, So this movie, you know, I we'll
probably talk about it later, but like there's a theme
a message behind it, yeah, and stuff like that, and
like we use he with you know, Chrohnberg's films. There
is some sort of like there is some sort of
artistic message behind it. Dead Ringers Man, that is one
of those movies were like, it's it depicts like drug
at drug drug addiction, stuff like that. Shot like that

(10:12):
will like I'm not saying it's a good movie, but
it will make you fucking depress.

Speaker 1 (10:16):
I do like his movies. I actually Scanners. I'm not
too hot on Really, I feel like it was a
movie I should have loved. Maybe I'll try it again.

Speaker 2 (10:23):
It's a little slow.

Speaker 1 (10:24):
I'm not gonna think the main actor kind of sucks
because I don't think he was like actually an actor, Yeah,
a main actor. The head blowing up is cool. Michael
Ironside's great. I like the idea of the story, but
forever reason it didn't really hit with me. I haven't
seen Video Drome in a long time. He did The Brood, right, yep.
I like the Brude. I actually liked the Brude a Lotobers.

Speaker 2 (10:43):
And he did Shivers and then uh Rabbit, Yeahude. Those
are like his first couple of films.

Speaker 1 (10:48):
And then Dead Zone is great. No dead Zones, Dead
Zones great.

Speaker 2 (10:51):
Intact. Now that was we have a Dead Zone episode
and that's one thing is like that is where Kroh
and Bird made changes to the original storyline that is
better than what Stephen King. Okay, but then there's also
things that Stephen Key wrote that weren't in the movie
that doesn't really like it would have been nice to
see that visually. Yeah, but I will say, like the

(11:11):
guy is pretty smart and like he knows, he knows,
he's got an artistic vision, and it's very clear because
like he was. I mean really, those first several like
five six movies are really good. Then later like with
Extends and.

Speaker 1 (11:26):
Like people like Existens, Yeah, they like it, I know Fighter,
and then my friend Justin Wang, he said he likes
it more than the Matrix. He's like, I know, that's
kind of like a hipster thing to do. He actually
like it.

Speaker 2 (11:37):
Makes me sick. That's the only reason why I can't
really enjoy it because it's body horrible.

Speaker 1 (11:42):
All I can really remember is yeah, the gun.

Speaker 2 (11:43):
The gun. Oh my god, he's still doing.

Speaker 1 (11:45):
I need to catch up on a lot of Cronenberg stuff.
I feel like I've been sleeping on a lot of
Cronenberg stuff. I like History of Violence, that's a good one.

Speaker 2 (11:52):
Yeah, Eastern Promises is okay, but it's still boring and slow.

Speaker 1 (11:55):
I mean, you know, and he is also a great
actor in Night Breed. Oh yeah, he's great as the
killer of night breat and who can forget him as
asshole guy gets killed by Jason and Jason X. But
let's get back to this movie.

Speaker 2 (12:06):
Well, he's he's a GUYDN ecologists in this movie.

Speaker 1 (12:12):
That's right, he is. Uh so, yeah, he decided he
wanted to do this, but he ended up he said,
he ended up like loving doing the movie. It was
his biggest movie at the time. This is like probably
the most popular Cronenberg movie. I think it's it's what's
the most at least early on, at least early on. Yeah,
I mean it's probably the most It's the one that
when you stay popular. Like many more people have seen

(12:34):
this than any of his other famis Eastern Promises, I
think won a bunch of awards and stuff, but more
people probably know about them.

Speaker 2 (12:40):
Oh yeah, yeah, no everyone, Like I mean, it's hard
not to know about the Fly. Yeah, I mean at
one point in time, like I will say that there
was a Hollywood junket that happened and I remember seeing
this on remember the little mini horror documentaries that he
used to do.

Speaker 1 (12:57):
Yeah, yeah, like a.

Speaker 2 (12:58):
Hundred scariest fils.

Speaker 1 (13:00):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (13:00):
Yeah, Uh. There was a there was a I guess
early showing of The Fly where they let people know
that mel Brooks did produce it. And I don't know
if this was like a I don't I try to
look into it before the making episode and is like
I can't find that video clip because there was because
they they made uh uh little uh antenna hats and

(13:20):
everybody in the theater were wearing them. I do, Tony.
I scoured the internet trying to find images of this stuff,
like because it's because it's a well known documented thing.

Speaker 1 (13:30):
Yeah, and people are just funny because he doesn't have antennas.

Speaker 2 (13:34):
But that's the thing, is like I guess maybe at
this point that no one knew, like the trailers might
be haven't came out yet or something like that. I
don't know what this screening was, but it was talked
about in that documentary where like people had no idea
what the movie was and they thought it was a
comedy because mel Brooks was touched and maybe that's why
they took his name off.

Speaker 1 (13:49):
Yeah, well that's this is also like every few generations
sometimes like affects jump ahead. Oh yeah, and then Hollywood
wants to like take old ideas and give him a
new makeovers. And we were seeing that in the eighties. Yes,
Like the thing was like, hey, let's do these old
cheap sci fi movies, but like with bigger budgets and
more impressive effects. And then we would see it again

(14:10):
in the nineties with like digital effects and stuff like
we're gonna take all these old ideas like disaster films
and alien evasions and dinosaurs stuff that was kind of cheesy.
We're gonna give him like a nice polish uh. So
this is like the eighties version of that. But yeah,
because the original Fly it's just he switches heads and
arm with a fly.

Speaker 2 (14:28):
Well Chris Wallace does. I'm I don't think people talk
about him enough after, like because like they're everyone talked
robotein stan Winston, you know, Rick Baker. I mean those
are like the main three, Steph Johnson and stuff like that. Like,
but like like Chris Wallace, the effects in this film.

(14:48):
I mean, yes, he brought us Grimlins, which was awesome,
but this is like grims is like getting a I
see on your report card. This is like getting a
plus on your.

Speaker 1 (14:58):
Oh I love the effects and there's not there's probably
not a sing. No, there is one single bad effect
and they deleted it. We'll talk about that at the end.
So yeah, there's not like a single bad effect in
this Forget. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (15:13):
The only thing is I don't like a lot is
when he's in the rubber suit, because it really does
when he's like in that middle stage where he's just bald.
But like I'm just nitpicking.

Speaker 1 (15:22):
Yeah, I mean, well, when we then realize that he's
shedding his skin, it actually kind of works that it
looks fake because it's.

Speaker 2 (15:28):
Because it just falls off. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 (15:31):
But yeah, let's let's get into this film, shall we.
So it opens up in the middle of a conversation
Seth Brundle and Geena Davis's uh oh yeah. Jeff Goldbloom
is Seth Brundle yeh and Gena Davis as Veronica Ronnie
as they sometimes call her. They ended up getting married

(15:52):
after this, I think, uh briefly.

Speaker 2 (15:55):
Yeah, they were. They were dating it in the filming
of this, and apparently that was causing some ISHU who's
like with certain scenes with uh John John Get. He
was getting like Jeff Goblin was getting like I guess jealous.

Speaker 1 (16:08):
But then did John get study his jealousy and then
use it? But he was weird because he was just
kind of like like if you didn't even do anything
in the movie those two.

Speaker 2 (16:17):
But then I watched him, so that was what Apparently
that's what happened. But then like I watched the the
documentary that's on the DVD and then that's on the
like the Shell Factory one, Yeah, where it's like nineties
Jeff Goldblin with the short hair and stuff like that,
and he was just talking. He plays it off like
he was trying to that was him prepping to be

(16:37):
someone who's jealous to add it to the set. Yeah,
and be like so I'm like, okay, was he actually
jealous or now is he like saying like that's just after.

Speaker 1 (16:44):
The Factor're like, I meant to do that pretty much
right when you do something shitty but then it works out,
You're like, I actually always intended that to happen. But yeah,
So when Crenenberg said he threw out the first seventy pages,
this feels like we were just like I put it on.
It's been a minute, so it's like, why should I
put on last night, And like I thought, after the
title sequence there was something, I'm like, no, no, we're

(17:05):
just here. Now, we're just there.

Speaker 2 (17:07):
I love the title.

Speaker 1 (17:08):
I wonder if there was, like I bet you the
original script had her and Status, which is David Kat's
character being like, you need to go to this party
and find someone, and then there was probably a scene
where he was testing it. I was like, this is amazing,
and then they're like get rid of all that. They're
in the middle of a conversations like I'm a genius
and you should come to my lab. She's like there's
a lot of people saying that. He's like, they're all assholes.

(17:30):
Come to my lab.

Speaker 2 (17:31):
There is a lot of deleted scenes of them showing
their past history having banter back and forth, but that's
later in the film. Oh okay, which is kind of
nice because like I will say, this movie is like
an hour and thirty perfect Yes, well you know, I
mean it's it's it's perfectly edited. And that was one
thing is apparently with mel Brooks, he wanted like he
had so much confidence in Cronenberg's vision. He's like he's like,

(17:54):
let him do the editing. Yeah, he gets the final edit.
I'm not gonna come in here. I know I'm producing.
He's like, but I'm not gonna come here and tell
you what to do. He's the artist. Yeah, let him
get the final edit it.

Speaker 1 (18:04):
Yeah, like you said about time. So I've been very
busy lately, So I had to watch this at one
point twenty five speed. Keep in mind, I've seen the
movie a million times. All right, It's not like I'm
not like just whatever. I just had a lot going on.
I'm like, let me just watch this. I made the
mistake of first hitting one point five speed. I watch
Jeff Goldbloom in that speed. I'm like, oh, you know,

(18:26):
let's try this, you know, because I again I need
to just like log what happens. But I know what enough,
I hate it. He's like no no. I'm like, oh no, no, no, no, no,
no no. We gotta we gotta go down a little bit.
We gotta go down a little bit. If I was
just watching this for my own entertainment, I might have
actually played it slower because he is just going a
mile of it.

Speaker 2 (18:43):
Yeah, he's That's another thing is like with Jeff Goblin,
Like this is like I guess This is before Jeff
Goldbloom became a character of himself, you know what I mean,
Because now he's kind of like I don't even if
we're watching Jeff blow boone or someone pretending to be to.

Speaker 1 (18:56):
Hire him to act like Jeff Goldbloom, not even like
a character really exactly yourself exactly. Like I'm sure he's
very funny and wicked. I don't know, I'm not seeing Wicked.
Did you see Wicked?

Speaker 2 (19:08):
No? I didn't.

Speaker 1 (19:09):
How did you dodge that one? People keep asking me, like, Tony,
did you see Wicked? I'm like, I'm single. Why would
I see? Why would I ever see wing Wicked? You're
lucky man. Every guy I know he's got a girlfriend
or wife had to see Wicked.

Speaker 2 (19:23):
Like now, Bega, Becca, she doesn't like musicals. She's like, no,
you don't care about it.

Speaker 1 (19:29):
You looked at it. I'm like looking at my friends
like they're like, oh, kind of see Wicked again.

Speaker 2 (19:33):
I'm like, I can't, now, Bega straight on, if it's
not a comedy or pretty much, if it's not a comedy,
I don't want to watch it.

Speaker 1 (19:41):
I almost saw Wicked for a monthly wrap up, and
then I saw that was a part one, and I
went absolutely not.

Speaker 2 (19:46):
Now, yeah, I saw that. I didn't know. Like that's
another thing is I didn't realize it was a part.

Speaker 1 (19:50):
Lucky I caught that. I'm like, there's no way I'm
watching two of these. But I would like, when it's
done to just watch a compilation of Jeff Goldbloom scenes.
That's all I want to say.

Speaker 2 (19:59):
He's right, yeah, okay, okay, anyway.

Speaker 1 (20:02):
Uh. He takes her back to her to his place. Yeah,
this is the eighties. Back then, you would just go
home with a random guy on the first What you
mean you live in this abandon factory?

Speaker 2 (20:13):
Yeah, come check it out.

Speaker 1 (20:14):
Yeah yeah, obviously. So she's a science journalist, so she's
she's also like kind of into him, even though she
does want to manage. Let's go.

Speaker 2 (20:22):
Uh.

Speaker 1 (20:22):
He gets motion sickness, which is relatable. Uh, and then
he acts as creepy as he possibly can.

Speaker 2 (20:30):
Be, which is funny because it's like, I don't know,
like it's funny in today's tom someone's like, oh, yeah,
he was just autistic. You can be weird to not
be autistic.

Speaker 1 (20:41):
Okay, I'm gonna play the piano, and I like that.
She's like, I should go yeah, and then he shows
her his designer phone booths, which are actually telepods, which
his course is on the cover. Here we have a
little fly leg coming. She again looks nothing like the
actual fly leg. So he has these cool telepods, which

(21:03):
that was the story in the original. The guy teleported
matter across these things, and he decides to demonstrate it
with the stocking of hers. He teleports and she's like, Wow,
that's amazing. And then she's like, I'm gonna write about
this in my journal. He's like, wait, you're a journalist.
She even says, She's like you knew I was. He's like,
you can't write about this, and it's like, what were

(21:26):
you expecting to happen here?

Speaker 2 (21:28):
Well? Yeah, Because he also has that one funny line
where he's like is like, oh, now that you've seen him,
I can't let you leave him.

Speaker 1 (21:32):
Yeah. But it's just but I like that he's talking
about He's like, yeah, I worked on this thing. He's like,
I got other people to build it. They didn't know
what they were building. And it's like and I get
funded by this company, but I accept little money from them,
so they don't care what I'm doing.

Speaker 2 (21:46):
Well, it's funny because like, okay, low key this line.
I wonder if this is a line that Cronenberg added,
because that's why Kronberg got his movies made because he
was so cheap. Yeah, this movie, he only asked for
seven hundred and fifty thousand dollar and then they counter
offered him with a million dollars. And that was one
thing is they were like, you what do you mean
he only he doesn't even like he only wants seven

(22:07):
hundred and fifty thousand dollars. That's one of the studios Like,
all right, if you want to, I guess.

Speaker 1 (22:11):
Yeah, I do like that. He said, like it's mostly
like three people in a room. Really, if you think
about it, it's supposedly like it's either just two or
three people in a room at a time. He feels
most of the.

Speaker 2 (22:20):
Movie, he feels like Steve Jobs by the Chance, like
where it's like, uh, like he didn't really do anything.
He just told other people shit to do.

Speaker 1 (22:27):
But oh yeah, yeah, and that's what the computer is
seth Brontle. Yeah he built the computer and everything. But yeah,
and again he's being funded by some company, but they
don't care because they don't pay him that much. Or
they can't do whatever you want, we don't care. So yeah,
he uh. He tells her that he's not allow to
do it. He begs her not to talk about it,
so of course she talks about it to her boss

(22:49):
Yx both. It turns out both we don't know about
the X part yet. So he plays it and he's
just like, oh, he's a con man. It's like, but
I saw a teleport. He's just like, yeah, that was
a trick, Like that's kind of a but if she
had given him like something that wasn't a style, that's
kind of hard to fake on the fly. On the fly.

(23:13):
So he shows up at the office to basically beggar
to like not talk about it. But he's happy that
the boss thinks it's a con and he's like, oh
my god, they're not gonna believe this exactly. And then
he has a great idea for her cheeseburger. Cheeseburger. This cheeseburger,
not cheeseburger. He goes cheese but like he's a cat clawing,

(23:36):
like what the fuck is this? It's so good that
he is a weird guy. I'm like, that is what
this character needed, especially when you compare it to the
original where the guy is like, I'm just the nicest
man in the world. I'm a loving father and husband
and I would never hurt a fly or a living
animal except for the cat that I tested it on. Uh,
He's like the nicest, sweetest guy in the world. And

(23:56):
then Chef Goldlan the new versions like I'm just a
creepy weird.

Speaker 2 (24:00):
Well it's crazy because at one point they actually went
to John Liftgal yeah, and asked like like he was
going to be uh Seth Brundle, and he just he
didn't really like the script. But I don't. But now
that clearly that was the non fixed strip, you know
what I mean?

Speaker 1 (24:16):
No, Uh, Jeff uh, John lift Gal would have been
good as the Status character. Yeah, he would have been
good as him that I couldn't see Ms. Brundle. No.

Speaker 2 (24:26):
No, because also, like I mean so Jeff full Like
even this movie, like when he goes through that trans
metamorphosis stage, You're like it was very intimately okay, he's
supposed to like almost like we got that like Spider
Man Toby Maguire transfer like transformation scene yeah, where we're
like now oh, like oh now do I'm my shirt on?
And I got muscle kind of like stuff, which was
very intentional for the film. I can't see lyft Gal

(24:49):
doing that.

Speaker 1 (24:49):
Nah, I can't say not that left Gal probably couldn't
do it. No, he's definitely a great actor, don't be wrong,
but nah, yeah, but yeah, he tells her that it's
not ready. He's like, it can't do ororganic material. So
it's like the the it's like the reverse of the
time uh machine and terminator, And that's the reverse problem
where it could move in organic material like inanimate objects,

(25:10):
but it can't do like flesh in everything. So he
wants her to stay quiet for now. Then he kind
of like offers her, like, hey, why don't you study me,
document everything. You write a book that's way better than
a magazine. You will have first access to everything. So
she decides, sure, I'll do that, and then she goes
home and her boss slash ex boyfriend is just in

(25:30):
her house taking a shower because he still has a
key to the place.

Speaker 2 (25:33):
I don't know, man, that's first off, that's like the
first thing as soon as you break up, you take
that key back. Yeah, No one's gonna let who I'm sorry,
who leaves their ex with the key.

Speaker 1 (25:44):
I don't know my ex knew my door code, so
luckily she never did anything. She actually took way too
long to come back and get her stuff. I'm like,
I don't want to arrest you or anything, but there's
some stuff here. So yeah, but she never came by
to take a shower or anything like that. That would

(26:06):
have been weird and be like, what the fuck are
you doing here? I have your door code. I'm like,
that's mean you're allowed to be here.

Speaker 2 (26:11):
She hain't come by to take a shit. I couldn't
get I couldn't make it to the burger.

Speaker 1 (26:14):
Here, So yeah, he's just there. He looked into Seth
Brown and was like, Oh, actually, that guy's like a
big deal. He's just like he worked on like a
really important project. He's like, now I'm actually interested in this.
But she's just like get the fuck out. Oh So,
what the hell is that orange arc piece in her
little dining area. There's like this orange plant like structure.

(26:36):
I'm like, what is that?

Speaker 2 (26:38):
I will say, like, there's a there's a there is
a look to it's like that eighties rich like like
like a I don't know, it's a rich esthetic of
like when you live in an apartment, but then you
want to also be able to tell that you have money. Yeah,
like like like like I remember like coming to America

(26:58):
when they remodel the apartment and stuff like that, like
all that kind of decor and stuff like that. Like
I love seeing that in like films, and like all
through this movie, like I like the like the undertones
and the lighting and stuff like that.

Speaker 1 (27:12):
Yeah. I just looked at that and that orange piece
just kept throwing me off, like what is that? What's
going on over there? I used to work in a
peer one import, so I have an eye for these things.

Speaker 2 (27:20):
I used to work at TJ Max.

Speaker 1 (27:21):
Oh nice? Was it a TJ Max?

Speaker 2 (27:23):
The other day?

Speaker 1 (27:25):
Seth uh is gonna teleport a baboon? I don't know
where he's keeping these babboons?

Speaker 2 (27:31):
First off, why do you start with a baboon? Could
you start like a mouse or something? Jesus fucking crist
about bad boons?

Speaker 1 (27:37):
So now in the original, uh, the guy, the the scientist,
he has a different name of the original. When he
was teleporting things, it was coming back like reverse. Like
he does a plate that says made in Japan, it
comes out it's all in reverse. So he has to
like reprogram it so he gets it right, He gets
the inorganic material right, and he's like, oh, let me
test it on my test it on my beloved cat.

(27:59):
And then the cat just disappears and you just hear
it me owing from nothing because it goes into space,
like it goes in at that time, like in between space. Yeah,
disappears somehow still in the owls, which technically want to happen, yeah,
because it doesn't have lungs or anything. But horrifying, like
idea like, oh no, that's terrifying. What could be more

(28:19):
horrifying than that? Seeing a babboon inside out still moving.
I'm like, oh my god.

Speaker 2 (28:30):
That's funny that you say that, because like from the
first one that you're talking about, like that's very that's
like a that's a plot point in the Tommy Knockers
seen Tommy Knockers where like this little boy develops a
a transportorting device or whatever, but he sends his brother
to like a place in between the time and space
and stuff like that, and that's like a big point

(28:52):
of like the movie of like trying to find his
brother and stuff like that. I don't know, it's funny
because like I wonder if like Stephen King took inspiration
from their first fly come up with that idea a we're.

Speaker 1 (29:03):
Event Horizon has basically where they used like a warp
drive and they went through another dimension. That was like
hell yeah, yeah, yeah yeah, but yeah, it's it's crazy
because like it's the monkey itself is like just like
organs and skin and just and it's it's like the
computer doesn't know what to do with it. Yeah, because
it's moving constantly. It's just it's an an object is

(29:25):
just copy paste. Uh yeah, So they're horrified by it.
Seth only has one outfit, Yeah he has. She's like,
you wear the same alf He's like, no, I have ten.
I learned it from Einstein. I don't think he needs
ten pairs of the same shoes, and you can get
away with shoes like maybe one or two pairs, but yeah,
he just has a rack of just the same exact

(29:46):
outphit and then like two jackets. So they're boning on
the couch. She decides she's into them. I feel like
maybe they did cut out like some flirting stuff, because
this is just like she's into the idea and everything.
And then she's like I'm into you. Let's hook up,
and I'm like, feels a little sudden. I feel like
maybe we need it, like one or two more flirting things. Yeah,

(30:06):
because he was doing a lot of flirting, she wasn't
responding to it, and then suddenly she's very aggressive.

Speaker 2 (30:11):
Also, how long has passed? It never really states like
do we really know how many how how many days?
How many weeks has this been with him working on it?

Speaker 1 (30:20):
I don't know. Occasionally they will say the passage of time,
like later on it's like four weeks. Yeah, but yeah,
they're not doing a good job, like other than a
few times, they didn't really tell you the past.

Speaker 2 (30:31):
Oh yeah, yeah, I haven't seen you four weeks. That's
when he made like the like she doesn't recognize them.

Speaker 1 (30:35):
Yeah, yeah, so we don't know how much is jumping
in between then. Yeah. So he ends up cutting himself
on a microchip that he just left on his bed.
So then he teleports some steaks and he has her
try both of them, and the teleport at steak doesn't
taste good, and he's like, the computer doesn't really know
what to do, so it teleport at the steak and
it's telling it's trying to think what flesh is. Like,

(30:57):
He's like, I need to teach it the ways of
the flesh. It's gonna real philosophical about It's like.

Speaker 2 (31:03):
Yeah, coming back to video drome, Yeah.

Speaker 1 (31:07):
The way of the flesh. I needed to understand flesh
the way we understand it. And so I guess he
just teaches the computer, right. But then Staphis is spying
on Ronnie and he doesn't like that she's part of me.
And then uh, he like stalks her. All these people
have jobs. He stalks her during the day at like
a clothing story, and he's all like freaking out about it.

Speaker 2 (31:30):
He's a jacket.

Speaker 1 (31:31):
Yeah, but also didn't he like freak up with her?
They make it seem like I can't remember, I won't.

Speaker 2 (31:37):
I don't remember it actually, to be honest, I want
to say she did it, but now I don't.

Speaker 1 (31:41):
But then he has a line being like, oh, I
thought you'd want me back, and it's like who broke
up with? Who? Here? But yeah, he's like freaking out,
like yelling at her, and I like that. She she
goes he's onto something huge and he goes, what his
cop Well, that's that one.

Speaker 2 (31:58):
She's He's got that one moment where he's like he's like,
you know, I mean I'm fine with us being like
not together, but maybe you just don't want to.

Speaker 1 (32:05):
Fuck Yeah, is a real asshole. It's hard to like him.
He's not really like the hero at the end. He's
just a guy who's there who happens to have a
gun by the way, only guy who comes back for
the fly to when they can get back. So Yeah,
he has a whole like simping session and embarrasses himself.
She reminds him that they're broken up. They we're broken up.

(32:27):
Fuck you. Next day, they teleport the baboons brother and
it works. We never see the cages where these bapoons are.
I don't know where they come from. So he basically
tells her like they're like. She wants to celebrate, and
he's just like, no, we don't know what's happening yet.
We gotta have it get studied. We need to make

(32:50):
sure it's fine, which is uh, which is what happens
in the original. They teleport like a gerbil or like
a hamster. After they figure it out and they say like,
we can't announce this for a month. You gotta like
make sure it's there for a month, make sure nothing's wrong.
And then he gets carried away and he telports himself
with the fly in there, which is about to happen here.

(33:10):
So Ronnie's just like, hey, I wanna go on vacation
while we're waiting for the test. Let's go somewhere. It'll
be fun. But then she's looking at like the folder
that he gets from her company and it's like a
proof for a magazine cover with him all that, She's like, uh,
I have to take care of personal stuff that I
forgot about.

Speaker 2 (33:30):
I don't understand what She can't just be honest with him, like,
listen here, they're gonna blow this story. I need to
make sure they don't do this because I wanted. I
want to do what we were when we talk about
doing Yeah, he would have understood.

Speaker 1 (33:41):
Yeah. And it's just like the boss is doing it
because he's jealous.

Speaker 2 (33:44):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (33:45):
Uh so, yeah, she hides it from him and wants
to leave, and yeah, the stat is wants to keep
around as a booty call. But Seth gets drunk and
he's venting to the baboon.

Speaker 2 (33:56):
I love that.

Speaker 1 (33:57):
It's a great because the billion literally looks like he's
listening to Yeah, the baboons is like, yeah, bud, He's
just like, she's probably sleeping with the X. I know it.
I'm drinking and he goes, I'm sorry I killed your brother.
I didn't mean too bad, Boon. Yeah, Baboo has no
idea what's going on because the bab Boon is distracted

(34:18):
by a fly that's in the room.

Speaker 2 (34:20):
Yeah, which is crazy. How in the world did they
get the like I don't know if maybe the if
like it was a digitally composite or whatever the fly.

Speaker 1 (34:30):
But that's a.

Speaker 2 (34:31):
Pretty good scene where it's it.

Speaker 1 (34:32):
Looked like a real fly. It was on a string
or something.

Speaker 2 (34:35):
Oh, I didn't I didn't think.

Speaker 1 (34:36):
I know they have done that in the past. M Yeah.
So the bab boons is like, what the fuck is
this fly? So he's drunk. Uh, he decides, you know what,
I'm gonna teleport myself. Let's do it. Maybe he gets
in the pod not looking that there's a fly. Don't
teleport yourself, drunk, don't do it. Don't do it. Bring

(34:59):
this a bring some spread, look around the pod before
you teleport.

Speaker 2 (35:06):
Now that's another thing, is like when he teleports, is
he telling the computer exactly what's in the teleporting device,
so it knows what to teleport.

Speaker 1 (35:14):
I guess because we see that it scans things later
he Yah, he never thinks to check this report until
way later in the movie. I would have checked it.
I would have checked it right away. But yeah, it
teleports him and he comes out. That fly gets out
of there too, or does the fly get out, because.

Speaker 2 (35:34):
Now it's he absorbed the fly.

Speaker 1 (35:36):
Okay, it says the absorbed, but then there is a
fly later. For a minute, I thought that that was
the fly that was in the pod with him, But
I think I might just be mixing it with the
original where they just swap parts.

Speaker 2 (35:46):
Yeah, because they make it clear as like, because when
he goes back to the computer, what happened to the fly,
the fly didn't come back with Yeah. Uh, And they
splice the fly whatever gene that the fly had, and
spliced it and transport it into him as one into
I feel.

Speaker 1 (35:59):
Like sometimes, I cause he does catch a fly that night,
and I think I always can't get confused with the original.
I'm like, oh, is that the fly and I got away?
So yeah, And then she notices that he's got weird
hairs growing out of that micro trip scar. Yeah, that's
a little odd.

Speaker 2 (36:13):
Uh.

Speaker 1 (36:13):
The next day he's super agile.

Speaker 2 (36:15):
Oh yeah, he's fucking He's like he's fucking ready to go.

Speaker 1 (36:18):
He's like doing like a using his chairs like a
pommel horse. He's doing like for some reason, his apartment
set up like a gymnastics thing.

Speaker 2 (36:25):
And Geena day if this, doesn't even ask him about it? Yeah,
how any questions? Just watch him like you're not gonna
be like, so when do you learn how to do that?

Speaker 1 (36:31):
It's like, I don't know. I just woke up today
that teleportation and she yelso she's like you could have died?
What are you doing? And then she has sex with him, like, lady,
I wouldn't he just went through a teleporting thing, Like,
maybe let's not have sex with them, please. So they
got on a date and he theorizes that maybe the
teleporter made him better than he was, in which case
I'd be like, we'll check the bab boon. Did it

(36:52):
do the same thing to the bab boon?

Speaker 2 (36:54):
Well, there's okay. This is the part of the movie
where like, I know the movie is supposed to be
like a metaphor for aids. Well, no, Kronerberg says, it's
not okay. I'm glad because no offense watching this movie
is like last time I checked, easy E was driving
in his sixty four, Right, he wasn't fucking bench pressing

(37:14):
in his parking lot.

Speaker 1 (37:15):
Yeah, yeah, nope, you.

Speaker 2 (37:16):
Don't get out ees and get super strong.

Speaker 1 (37:19):
People do attribute it to a there were things that
were addressing it. Kronerberg said he didn't intend it to
be that way. I can still interpret it.

Speaker 2 (37:27):
That way, but I don't.

Speaker 1 (37:29):
But he's basically like, well, he's like a lot of
my movies deal with mortality. I felt more like aging,
like how do you like defeat aging and just death
in general, not specifically AIDS.

Speaker 2 (37:40):
Really, a lot of people said it's more it feels
like it's more linked to cancer than AIDS. Well, yeah,
you know what I mean.

Speaker 1 (37:46):
Well, his was just age basically for him personally. But
I think it works. You know, real good art can
be interpreted different ways, so it's kind of even better
that you can go in with a different mindset of
like what this is trying to tell? Yeah, and it
works for everyone really, even though that's what he was
just like, Yeah, because human bodies, they die, They break down,
like we're all going against time.

Speaker 2 (38:06):
No, I W I agree more with that than the
whole aid HIV.

Speaker 1 (38:11):
He doesn't dismiss the eighth thing. He just said that
wasn't his intention going in, but it works either way.
It works either way. And yeah, and this whole time,
he's just pouring sugar and at one point she's like,
do you want some coffee with your sugar? He's just
like pouring it in and he's like, everything's great, everything's awesome.
I'm great, this is awesome. Then it cuts and they're
just having way too much sex.

Speaker 2 (38:30):
Yeah, he's going he is going at it.

Speaker 1 (38:33):
Yeah, and she's just like, how are you so fluid
in your body? She's like about to diet. He's ready
to do it again, but he's like his face is
looking rough. Yeah, and then she feels the hair and
they're even like they're like barbs, they're even bigger now.
So yeah, she like cuts some of them off and
takes some samples, but he becomes like more chaotic, and
she decides she doesn't want to be teleported, and he

(38:53):
flips out at her.

Speaker 2 (38:54):
Oh yeah, this sounds more. This felt more like a
drug addict kind of seem like for me, like it
seemed like he was like, fucking no, no, you need
to try this. Yeah know what I mean, Like that's
like I I mean like that's what I was, like
a crackhead or some kind of like you know, like
you know, some kind of someone theming at the moment,
you know.

Speaker 1 (39:11):
Yeah, and then he screams to her about the ways
of the flesh. You know, you can give these lines
the pin head and they would work.

Speaker 2 (39:19):
I'm sorry. Long Lived the Long Live the New Flesh
was the video Drone Clute.

Speaker 1 (39:24):
Yes, yes, yes, uh so, Yeah, he's like flipping out
or I don't even need you, fuck you, I'm gonna
go find some other lady to do it. And yeah,
he goes out, He goes out and just does just
that in just the leather jacket. Yeah, no shirt on,
no shirt. And also do you notice that leather jacket.
Is that the one she bought?

Speaker 2 (39:42):
The one she bought?

Speaker 1 (39:43):
YEP. I want to say, Logan, I'm sorry I didn't
lose enough weight to rock the leather jacket shirtless thing.
I was going to and I.

Speaker 2 (39:50):
Was like, you know what, not yet, I know you've
grown the hair out for it.

Speaker 1 (39:53):
I grew the hair out and that's definitely not out
of laziness. And you know, but uh, for the fly
To baby the leather thing, or I'll have a mutated dog.
I don't know, I'll do one of those for my
fly To episode. I'll mercy kill a dog.

Speaker 2 (40:10):
How about that?

Speaker 1 (40:12):
Why is everyone unsubscribing? What's going on here? Subscribing? Why
did I lose my YouTube channel?

Speaker 2 (40:19):
You should get a costume for a space cat. There
you go.

Speaker 1 (40:23):
For fly To, I will put the space cat through
a teleporter aka my microwave.

Speaker 2 (40:33):
Blew up, she didn't come out on the other microwave.

Speaker 1 (40:39):
Anyway. Uh. He goes the bar, he finds a floozy
right away, flus who's there with a guy who's willing
to bet gamble her off.

Speaker 2 (40:48):
So apparently that uh that guy that who's arm wrestling,
Apparently he was a famous Canadian uh boxer, And that
was apparently the only a scene that the only thing that,
like Melbrooks said he wanted to see in the movie
that as his like, like, I'm the producer, this is
kind of what I want. He goes, I want to

(41:08):
see a scene where this flimsy wingy like kind of wispy,
kind of guy takes on this big brood of a guy, yeah,
and wins, and that's where they came with the arm
wrestling scene.

Speaker 1 (41:20):
Yeah, so he arm wrestles him for one hundred dollars
and taking the girl and he just snaps his hands.

Speaker 2 (41:25):
So okay, So this scene in the movie, this is one. Okay,
So I watched this on Sci Fi Sci Fi. You
can still see the arm snap because it wasn't that bad.
But the thing is is like little Logan was not
ready for this.

Speaker 1 (41:38):
Oh.

Speaker 2 (41:42):
I used to play this game where I wasn't game,
but I used to watch the movie and then like
when something got too bad, I just look at a
couple of channels, wait a second, and then come back.
But like this, like that seems like oh shit, Like I.

Speaker 1 (41:55):
Love this arm. I made a short film like in
college called the Arm Wrestler, and literally I had a
guy with the fake arm, but we just snapped the
art we did it were like we joke we snapped
the arm ofll but then he beat him with Well.

Speaker 2 (42:07):
The thing is is, like I remember, so I watched
a lot of the Sci Fi channel growing up because
it had the RoboCop series and the flash they played
back to back, and they also used to play the
old Captain America movies, not the nineties, the one before
the nineties.

Speaker 1 (42:20):
I always missed the Flash and RoboCop, but I did
catch the Captain America nineties one. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (42:26):
Yeah. So I would watch the that on like Sopha
all the time, and they were leading up. It was
like one of those things like oh, they were kind
of like do like the little segments like Friday Night
at seven, The Fly with Jeff Goldbloom, Yeah, David Cronbird's
The Fly. So they were leaning up and I was like,
I really want to make sure I'll get to watch it.
I've wrote it down in the like the because you

(42:46):
can you know, you can record shit that time unless
you know it was like on VHS, but like set
of time, I wrote it down to the fridge. I
really want to watch. I might have been eighty or
something like that because I was really into, like, you're
wearing Frankistis shirt, but I was all into that kind
of shit girling.

Speaker 1 (42:59):
I worked specifically for this because it basically most sci fi,
especially when it comes to experiments, is the Frankenstein story.
Should we do this?

Speaker 2 (43:06):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (43:07):
Which funny that Jeff goblums in multiple movies that cover that,
the other one being Jurassic Park of course.

Speaker 2 (43:12):
Well that's the thing is like they were like this
when me and you were that age. It was everywhere
like Burger King, you know, the Universal Monster toys at
Burger King and stuff like that. Like so like I
was really into ready to see this movie. And like
at that point, my mind like, I don't eve think
I had seen Predator yet.

Speaker 1 (43:29):
Oh no, I had seen Predator. What's going but like
I had seen the thing at that point, I think.

Speaker 2 (43:33):
No, I hadn't seen the thing either. I was pretty
like I would watch movies that were SOFTA and action,
but they were always like probably PG. Thirteen. Yeah, my
parents didn't care, but I my brain was like, oh
and then when he got to the like the molting scene, Yeah.

Speaker 1 (43:48):
Well this was definitely one of my Uh, this was
definitely my grandfather wanted to watch it movie. Oh so
we're watching it. He wants to watch it. We're watching it.
Damn us all if anything can scar us. But yeah,
he takes the flues home. Uh, he teleports in front
of her. I like the reveal she's wearing the jacket
that she moves her leg and she's under naked underneath.
I'm like, it's pretty cool.

Speaker 2 (44:09):
That's a good one.

Speaker 1 (44:09):
And he comes out like ready the bone and he's
like okay, uh, your turn, and she's just like, no,
I'm afraid. He's like, don't be afraid. Cut the Geena.
Is it on the thing? Oh, it's not on this.
It was the tagline for the movie. Cut to Geena Davis,
be afraid, be very afraid.

Speaker 2 (44:26):
Yeah, it's on the Okay.

Speaker 1 (44:29):
Was that the title for the original or is it
just this? No?

Speaker 2 (44:33):
I don't think that's the time for the original. I
think that was. I don't think so. Because when mel
Brooks was watching the dailies or something like that, when
he saw.

Speaker 1 (44:44):
That phrase it is from this one. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (44:46):
Yeah, when he saw that phrase, he's like, that's it.
That's our hook. I want to use that.

Speaker 1 (44:50):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (44:50):
That was like another little thing that like that. He's like,
because he did say like he goes, He's like, I
produce these songs because I had faith in the people
making him. But I didn't want to like I'm not
going to tell you you can't and what he can't do.

Speaker 1 (45:02):
But he probably should have put his foot down a
little bit on solar babies. That was a huge failure
for him, but anyway, keep going well.

Speaker 2 (45:08):
He also, like I will say, unfortunately him and Charles Poku,
who wrote the original script, got really into it. Like
he kind of like they didn't have the best relationship
because he did think that first script was shit. Yeah,
and so unfortunately he didn't have like the best experience
with mel Brooks as everyone else working on the film
did have, because he was actually kicked off of the film.

(45:29):
But then they brought him back to work with Cronenberg.
But then Kronberg's into making his own personal changes to him.

Speaker 1 (45:36):
Yeah. Yeah, but anyway, she had the hairs tested. She's like, hey, buddy,
something's wrong. They said they were more like insect hairs.
Something's wrong with your body. You really need to fix this.

Speaker 2 (45:47):
Uh.

Speaker 1 (45:48):
And he's just like, get out, lady, I don't need you. Uh.
So he kicks her out, and then he's finally noticing
how bad he looks. It's like literally falling apart. His
nails are falling off, and he checks the computer. Finally
he checks the computer. I would have checked right away
been like, so what happened? How does the show? Can
you give me a read out? Of everything that happened,

(46:09):
make sure it went right. And the computer's like, yeah,
there was something else in there, and he's like, show
me what it is, and it like I love the reveal,
like the art, and it's just like, oh.

Speaker 2 (46:18):
I love this computer. I love I love this CRT
screen on this computer. It's beautiful, but I love.

Speaker 1 (46:24):
It showing it like sell by selling. It's building what
the other entity was the second object? And you see
it's a fly and he's like, oh fuck, and that's
when he goes, what happened to the fly? Like you
absorbed the fly. You are now a new thing. Four
weeks later, he calls Veronica panicking. He's like, I need
to talk to you. You were right, something's wrong with me.

(46:45):
She visited. He looks terrible. He's got walkers and everything
his like bodies falling apart, his ear falls off. He's
vomiting bile onto him, and then she hugs him.

Speaker 2 (46:57):
He's also like leaking. He's skin is like you look
at his shirt, it has got stains where it's just
oozing you.

Speaker 1 (47:04):
Yeah, And then she hugs him and puts her head
where the ear just fell up, like many oh, touch him.
So he basically like needs her help. He wants her
to document this Staphus is still being a pervert. But
he demands to see Brundle and she's just like no,
and uh. When she goes back to him, he's climbing

(47:26):
on the ceiling. He's feeling a little bit better. Yeah,
he's climbing on the ceiling and he seems happier. And
he's just like he's into it now. Yeah, he's walking.
I think they's the thing where it was like the
rotating set. Yeah, yeah, really really good effect. I mean
they didn't like Nightmare and a couple other movies. Uh,
but yeah, he uh, he tells her he's like, I'm
like a new thing, Like I am a new organism.

(47:49):
That's me and the fly. I am Brundle Fly.

Speaker 2 (47:52):
Yeah, which is the name of.

Speaker 1 (47:53):
The action figure. Yeah, it said the Brundle Fly. Uh.
But he shows her how he eats God Man, he
throws up onto his food to dissolve it and then
absorbs it up and I'm like that. It cuts to
staff that is watching going like, oh my god.

Speaker 2 (48:10):
Well the first time he does, he's like, oh, I forgot.
That's probably upsetting to you. He does in front of
her without asking her the first time. Yeah, because he
goes to eat a donut and goes, oh yeah, so he.

Speaker 1 (48:21):
Is he's a scientist, so he's observing all this because
he's fascinated by it. But like the fly part is
starting to take over, yeah, which is also something from
the original. Like his hand keeps trying to attack people
because it's a fly. It's like, ah, where am i?

Speaker 3 (48:35):
Uh?

Speaker 1 (48:35):
So the fly stuff has started, so he's liking all
the changes and everything and it's not weird to him anymore.
So that's when we start to notice there's like a
psychological change going. So yeah, uh, Staffs is watching the tape.
She comes home freaking out she's pregnant. Yeah, that's not
what you want to hear when you've been having sex

(48:56):
with the fly man, is how you're pregnant.

Speaker 2 (48:59):
And that's another thing, is like she says also that
moment is like she doesn't know when she got pregnant,
so like she could have been pregnant before he went through,
or it could have been after he went through.

Speaker 1 (49:09):
Well, this lady needs to wrap it up. Okay, ladies,
you hear that, Ladies, wrap it up before you have
a fly baby. Okay, I guarantee you it's not gonna
look exactly like Eric Staltz. It's probably in real life,
it's probably gonna look like a fly man. It's probably
look more like this than Eric Stall. So, yeah, she
is freaking out about it. She doesn't really know what

(49:31):
to do, and then she be cut to a hospital
room and doctors everywhere, including David Cronenberg.

Speaker 2 (49:40):
I think, yeah, he's the he's the he's the baby doctor.

Speaker 1 (49:43):
I guess yeah, and they're giving birth cut to a
giant maggot.

Speaker 2 (49:54):
That scene.

Speaker 1 (49:55):
That scene fucks you up.

Speaker 2 (49:57):
Harh.

Speaker 1 (49:58):
Yeah, you're like, ah.

Speaker 2 (50:00):
Yeah, this that that's one of those scenes where it's
like there's so many scenes from like movies, especially like
you if you even if you just want to talk
to the eighties remakes. I mean, you've got the Just
Burster scene from Aliens. You've got uh, you got the
the affiliator scene from The Thing. Uh, you got like
you know, uh the phone boosts No, no, the drain

(50:22):
scene in the Blob. Yeah, this is right up there.
It's like one like this is best.

Speaker 1 (50:27):
There's a lot of gross uff in this, but that's
the one that really gets every when it just cuts
to them holding the magat a.

Speaker 2 (50:34):
There's blood all in her thighs.

Speaker 1 (50:36):
Yeah, it's upset. Apparently, that like upset Geena David. That's
one of the reasons she didn't want to come back
for the opening of two.

Speaker 2 (50:42):
Really, yeah, damn, she want to.

Speaker 1 (50:44):
Come back for the opening of two.

Speaker 2 (50:45):
She's like that was they do enough job? Because like
when you watch when you rewatch too, it's like they
kind of keep the camera. It's it's like a if
I cameer correctly, it's a recording of her giving birth,
so you don't really see it's just a look alike.
So it's like, I guess you can just and I know.

Speaker 1 (51:00):
The second one they use like deleted or alternate footage
of Jeff Goldbloom being Yeah.

Speaker 2 (51:05):
Yeah they're because they're the ending was changed and.

Speaker 1 (51:08):
Stuff like that. But anyway, she wakes up from this
total nightmare, be horrifying.

Speaker 2 (51:17):
Uh.

Speaker 1 (51:17):
The computer tells Brundle that he can maybe fix himself
if he goes through again with pure human DNA.

Speaker 2 (51:25):
That's the thing is, I don't really fully understand that
because I guess maybe I don't fully get it because
the fly too explains it much better because that is
the whole point of him finding his dad's research to
fix it and fly to. Yeah so maybe, like I
don't understand because, like I said, that explains it. But
like because at the end of the movie, that's not

(51:45):
the idea he's he wants them to become all in one.

Speaker 1 (51:49):
Well I think maybe that's what the computer is saying, like, well,
you can probably counteract it. If you act more human DNA,
maybe it'll cancel out. But like computer doesn't know that
that's like a horrifying thing.

Speaker 2 (51:58):
To do, because that's the big point pivot point fly
Too is when he uses his research to pull all
the bad and that that the the genetic coating that's off,
that is not human and put it into another individual.

Speaker 1 (52:12):
Yeah so but yeah, you're right, Well we remember his
brain is slowly turning into fly yeh. Yeah, that's maybe
why he changes his plans a little bit. But he
learns that that is something that he could do splice
with DNA, and then his teeth start falling out and
he has his cabinet is the Brundle Museum or whatever.

Speaker 2 (52:32):
That one thing in the cabin Did you watch that
scene closely? There's a one thing It goes over his
ear and the teeth. There's this one thing I couldn't
see if it's his tone. I'm like, is that supposed
to be? Is like the head of his dick.

Speaker 1 (52:43):
I'm not gonna lie.

Speaker 2 (52:43):
I watched it twice. I'm like, it's it. I'm like,
but it's like also like even though like this is
a for four case, I mean not four K but
HD scan, it's still like it's still not like yeah
you know.

Speaker 1 (52:55):
I mean, I'll freeze frame and I'll let you know.
I don't know.

Speaker 2 (52:57):
I'm like, is that a dick because it kind of
looks like much where? Is that just his big toe?
I don't know. Uh.

Speaker 1 (53:03):
But he tells her that he's an in he wants
to be the first insect politician.

Speaker 2 (53:08):
Yeah. That's when you know his mind. It's just it's
rotting basically.

Speaker 1 (53:11):
Yeah. But he basically she's like, I can't look at
you anymore. And he tells her like, you gotta leaves,
like he's basically for her own good. He better she
better leave because he's like becoming more insect than man.
He doesn't even trust himself.

Speaker 2 (53:24):
Well, that's what he says. He's like, you have to leave,
Like what she's like, but I don't want to, but
she's and then he's like, but you have to because
I might hurt you.

Speaker 1 (53:32):
Yeah. Yeah, he has enough of his brain still where
he's like, I am a danger. You need to get away.

Speaker 2 (53:37):
Yeah, because literally the first half of the movie is
a romantic movie. Yeah, so when we get these scenes
it I like that, these are one the reason why
I think this movie is like, I just like, I
love the thing, but this is what this is why
I like kind of lean heavy where I think it's
better because of the subject matter. Yeah, and then the
relationship that was built at the half of the movie,

(53:58):
and now we get to this point where this relationship
is deteriorating, just like his body. I mean, that's one
of the reason why I like, I kind of like
this a little more.

Speaker 1 (54:06):
Yeah, I can see that. I can see that. I
wouldn't push back on that. I mean, I think I
like the thing more, but you're bringing up a bunch
of valid points.

Speaker 2 (54:14):
Well that's the only reason why I like. That's the
reason why I lean I'm lean towards like I understand
like maybe the thing. Like I said, I love the
I freaking love.

Speaker 1 (54:22):
The poster of it, right, there.

Speaker 2 (54:23):
Yeah, I love. I mean, it's just like it's it's fantastic.
The book is great.

Speaker 1 (54:29):
We can all agree. This is better than Invaders from Mars,
which we which again I didn't even remember was a thing, so.

Speaker 2 (54:36):
You need to rewe Have you seen it lately? No,
it's fun. I'll leave it at that. It's fun.

Speaker 1 (54:41):
I might have seen it once or twice. Not a
Cannon Pictures one, Yeah, picture, that's that one?

Speaker 2 (54:46):
Where what is it? What are the two the two
guys name I can't remember that. I don't pronounce some
of the but the two guys who own Cannon Pistors.

Speaker 1 (54:55):
Oh, Golden and globis.

Speaker 2 (54:56):
I think yeah, apparently they were watching the wrong daily.

Speaker 1 (54:59):
Oh yeah, yeah, they watch them all things like what
is this? And they're like they didn't want to admit
that they mixed up.

Speaker 2 (55:04):
Phtoby Hooper's like, I don't think you're watching my film.

Speaker 1 (55:10):
Anyway. So yeah, she leaves, and she's just like, I
need abortion right now. Yeah, yeah, I need it right now. Okay, well,
relax with your phone. You know, God wants that bat
maggot baby to be born logan, and who were you
to say otherwise?

Speaker 2 (55:27):
All right, just think it. Think about that going to
the courts.

Speaker 1 (55:34):
I want to go to like one of those things
where the people like debate like stuff, and I'm like,
what if the father had gone through a teleporter with
a fly and there was a chance that I would
give birth to a maggot baby? Is it okay? That were?

Speaker 2 (55:49):
They just debate for like yeah, and.

Speaker 1 (55:51):
Then they'll be like, sir, you need to leave, like
this is it? What the fuck are you talking about?
I just want to know once you're in, like, dude,
what's the fly? Can you fuck off? Why does no
one take me seriously at the effecond? How fucker? Anyway,
She's just like, we gotta get out. I need this

(56:12):
thing out of me right now. Unfortunately, bruntle fly is listening,
and now he knows that he will have spawn. And
you know, flies, they need to make eggs and make babies.
That's like their thing eat make babies. They really have
no other purpose, really, insects like we had just have

(56:32):
to eat lay eggs, eat lay eggs. So what he
hears that he's having a baby, like that's the most
important thing in the world to be right, Yeah, the
doctor is annoyed. I'd probably be annoyed too. If my
fellow whatever friend woke me up in the middle of
the night to do an abortion, I'd be like, what
the why did it even show up at the office.

Speaker 2 (56:50):
I'd be like, no tomorrow, it's two thirty. I need
abortion now.

Speaker 1 (56:56):
Like we need it now. The baby might be deformed
and the father is deformed.

Speaker 2 (57:05):
There's there's a funny all right, it's funny. Right before
they start to give her the abortion, and the deleted scene,
he's like, I always feel like for me, TV is
the best sedative. And he turns on the TV and
it's a woman giving it's this little TV that's this
big in the operating room. It's a baby crying.

Speaker 1 (57:28):
That's I'm glad they caught that. That's a little too
mean for that moment in the movie. That's a little
too Shark and Bean like, come on, man.

Speaker 2 (57:36):
But that's like that scene that little parts cut. And
then that's when her boss leaves the room and then
brunt to fly pressure.

Speaker 1 (57:43):
Yeah, yeah, so they wait for the then bruntle Fly
just crashes through and grabs her. And how does he
run around? Why doesn't she just screaming? Non stuff?

Speaker 2 (57:52):
I don't know. And that's another thing is I I
don't know if this was like a man Gela effect,
but like I could have swarm, like I could have
swore I saw him grow things, but he does it.
I don't know why I thought that that's my watch.

Speaker 1 (58:05):
Oh uh. Now, in a modern movie, we would have
seen c GI him jumping rooftop to rooftop, and they
didn't have it back then. Just skip, just imply that
he's climbing and yeah, see he tells her he's like, oh,
you're gonna have the baby, like or he's like, uh,
don't kill my baby. It's the last part of me.

Speaker 2 (58:23):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (58:24):
But then part of it is like, but that might
actually work with my new plan that I have here.

Speaker 2 (58:28):
Which is that scene is pretty heartwarming because like when
he starts becoming this whole new like Fly persona where
he's doing all this stuff and then like he starts
like moaning and pain and stuff kind of like like
we're like, like he's gonna and stuff like that, and
it's like it is like it's sad because you're like, like,
that's the last part of him that is still left

(58:51):
that is not this.

Speaker 1 (58:52):
Unless unless I was conceived Postfly, and then it's not him.
It's exactly Fly spoiler for Fly. So yeah, I guess
he's not very fast because Staffis gets to the place
first and he's got a shock because he knows he's
going back there, so he's got a shotgun ready. He's like,

(59:12):
I'm gonna take this guy down. Sure, hope he can't
climb walls or ceilings like a fly. Cane cuts of
the brundle fly jumping off the ceiling like grabbing it. Uh,
knocks it down, throws up on his hand and his
leg and dissolves it.

Speaker 2 (59:32):
That's so. That seems so cool. There is a little
bit of on the special features where you get to
see it's the making the time lapse video of it
just melting away because it's like a wax.

Speaker 1 (59:42):
It did look like like hell Raiser. Yeah, but when
they melted, well then hell Raiser they reversed.

Speaker 2 (59:47):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (59:47):
Yeah, gross, Oh my god.

Speaker 2 (59:50):
Gross.

Speaker 1 (59:51):
Then he almost throws up on his head and she
stops him. She's like, please stop him, stop, stops up.
Is he about to eat him? I think he was
just about to kill him, Okay, which he should have
done knowing what's about to happen. But yeah, he tells her.
It's like okay, because he had a prototype pod, so
he's hooked up the two functioning one. So the prototype,
he's like, you'll be in there and I'll be there

(01:00:13):
and then we'll come back. Is one new organism, me,
you and the baby and I guess a little bit
of the fly, hopefully none of the bad parts of
the fly. Although what would that have looked like?

Speaker 2 (01:00:23):
I don't know, Like that's kind of funny, like you
saw it together, right.

Speaker 1 (01:00:27):
No, I didn't. I have an idea. I've seen the trailer.
I have an idea of what might happen. There's a yeah,
I'm not gonna say it. Yeah, So yeah, that's his plan.
We're gonna make a whole new organism. All three of
us and I guess the fly are all gonna be
together and it's gonna fix us. So he locks, oh,
she wants to like get rid of us, So this

(01:00:48):
is what she rips his jaw up.

Speaker 2 (01:00:49):
Oh my god, that's great.

Speaker 1 (01:00:51):
And usually I have a problem in movies where you
have such a good performance and then it cuts to
just a special effect. I think it talked about it
like RoboCop two with Caine. He's so cool and then
he just turns into robot man. What's the other one?
Oh one, mower Man like job is such a good character,
and then he just turns into digital man like this,

(01:01:12):
the effect is good, but also it's not very long.

Speaker 2 (01:01:15):
No, but also like even the scene with him thrown
up that prosthetic head steal looks like Jeff Goldblum thrown
up on him.

Speaker 1 (01:01:22):
But once that jawls off, it's no longer Jeff Goldblum.
But again, the movie, luckily is not much longer afterwards.
So yeah, again the other two where it just switches
to a special effect, You're like, no, I kind of
missed the character a little bit. I know I had
to turn into a fly, but this is perfect. The
The effect that gets me the most is the eyes bulging. Yeah,

(01:01:43):
like his eyes bulging and then falling off. That gets
me more than anything else. I'm like, I don't like that.

Speaker 2 (01:01:49):
There's a really good scene in two when when the
fly pukes on the guy's face.

Speaker 1 (01:01:54):
Oh god, that's rough. That's a rough one. But yeah,
then we get the brundle fly. It's funny because we
never actually get to see what it would have turned
in completely, but here we have it. He looks like
a goddamn fly. He looks horrifying, but still smart enough
to know what he's doing, so he throws her in

(01:02:15):
the pod. Then he gets into it luckily, status wakes
up and shoots the cord. Yeah, and then the brundle
flies like oh no, my plans and it smashes out
of it, but as it's teleporting, so it takes him
and part of the door and puts it in the pod.
And you're like, oh, that's what that was. I always
wonder what the fuck's coming out of his back? That's oh, yeah,

(01:02:37):
the door's gone. Yeah. So he he wanted to fuse
with her and everything, but he ends up fusing the Doorkay.

Speaker 2 (01:02:45):
I always wonder that. I never I rewatched him like,
oh the fucking doors completely look.

Speaker 1 (01:02:49):
At it again, it's the sharp jack Yeah, okay, yeah.
So he comes out with the door freaking out like
my god, and this is like heartbreak because like again
it's he wasn't really the bad guy.

Speaker 2 (01:03:04):
No no, no, no, no no no.

Speaker 1 (01:03:06):
It was like an accident. He was careless. Again the
message of Frankenstein, should you do this? Yeah, you got
to be really you have to really think about these things.
He decided to just get ship face drunk and do
it without thinking about it. Uh. So like he wasn't
he was becoming like evil, I guess, but it's really
just because his brain was changing into something else, which

(01:03:27):
again wasn't even really evil. It's what would a fly
mix with the human do. That's probably what it was,
right to it. Uh but yeah, it it knows it's done. Yeah,
like you can't rebuild that stuff. He's fixed with the door.
They're not gonna fix them. So he like it's sad.
He like grabs the shotgun. He's like, just just it all.

Speaker 2 (01:03:46):
No, that's that's another thing. Is like even like I
don't know how you felt about that being like when
you saw it, but like, man, when my like my
eight year old mind was just like, dude, I was
tore up. Yeah, I was torp.

Speaker 1 (01:03:57):
I wasn't an adult yet, you know what I mean.
It's a depressident. It's a depressing ending. And the original fly,
the original fly, also has a depressing ending where they
can't remember the Yeah, so in the original they have
to find the original like the fly that it now
has a human head in hand, and they need to
go through together. But they just keep failing and catching
it all the time, so at the end he just

(01:04:19):
gives up and he asks for that is something from
the original. He asked the woman to mercy kill him. Yeah,
and that one they do in the hydraulic press. So
there's like nothing.

Speaker 2 (01:04:26):
Well, but then the guy with Vincent Price ends up
killing the other one.

Speaker 1 (01:04:30):
That's the thing. But like they're about to have a
sad ending where it's like they lied to her about
how they had the fly, so they're about to take
her to the mental asylum. They find the real the
fly with the head inside the web, which at this
point it's too late to save him, but that's evidence
that she was right, and the police officer kills them
out of fear. But then it's just like you know what,

(01:04:52):
we'll say it was a suicide and she is off
the hook, and then there's like a happy thing for
Vincent Price. Is like I've already seek loved my brother
and his wife and now a happy family. He tells
the son. It's like your dad was uh careless even
though he was a good guy. Now, I mean, it's
just kind of like a shoehorned happy ending where it

(01:05:14):
would have been better if they did kill the evidence
and she went to the looney bin. This one embraces
the sad end.

Speaker 2 (01:05:20):
I was I like it when he starts he's talking
to h the little boy at the dinner table, and
he was like, Mommy said this, But then she changed
her mind. You know how women are?

Speaker 1 (01:05:29):
I know, I know, good old days logan, good old days.
Back then we had movies to warn young men how
women were. And now it's just me, Me and Dick Masterson.
That's all that's you in the world on your shoulders,
just yes, out there on the front lines, letting people know.
There were other men who tried to help us. But
you know Andrew Tate, he he dropped the ball a

(01:05:51):
little bit, uh a lot actually, uh so it outs
us up to be every August. I need to train
these men.

Speaker 2 (01:05:59):
You got your BOOTCNEMP in your task pace.

Speaker 1 (01:06:02):
Me and Joey c we're gonna start our man a
Sphere boot camp.

Speaker 2 (01:06:07):
You didn't see like twenty guys in your task base
in video.

Speaker 3 (01:06:11):
Story just hugging like, ah well, if this YouTube thing
doesn't work out, I'm starting one of those man retreat
camps teach you how to be a man for thousands
of times.

Speaker 1 (01:06:23):
Anyway, anyway, he's dead, and then the movie ends.

Speaker 2 (01:06:32):
Yeah, was not.

Speaker 1 (01:06:37):
The original ending.

Speaker 2 (01:06:38):
Now that's one thing is I don't remember what the
original ending is. Oh, I don't know.

Speaker 1 (01:06:44):
So there were a couple different versions, but it's mostly
the same thing. Basically, she has a dream of a
cocoon and a tree, and out of the cocoon is
a little human baby with like butterfly Yeah, okay, yeah,
And they talked about that. There's a version where she
wakes up in bed alone and another version where she

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wakes up in bed with status, and I think that's it.
I don't know if there's like a third version of it.
It looks terrible. It looks really terrible, and I know
it's like kind of like a sequel hook, Like actually, audience,
I mean this one undoes that, But the audience I
just assumed that, like, yeah, she's getting that abortion, especially
after shooting the Brundle fly space and like now she

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has evidence, like yeah, uh, cops, I need this out
of me. Like yeah, so the whole like sequel hook
with the butterfly baby dream didn't work for me, and
they were very I think they thought it looked ridiculous
at the time, and they knew it was unneeded, but
they tried it. But like I'm that was the same
with the original. I wish it would have just ended

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after the rock smash and Vincent Price going now you're
a murderer too. That would have been a nice, like
dark ending. Also the original, I think they're in France.
They all have French names, but there's only one guy
with a French accent or two guys, so it's very confusing. Yeah, okay, yeah,
it's very confusing, like are they in France or not?

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Why don't only some of them have accents anyway, So yeah,
it ends on that dark, dark note, perfect way to end,
and then we hear the Howard Shore It was Howard Shore, right, yeah,
Howard Shore music, which actually a lot of some of
the music in this does sound like the Silence of
the Lambs score. There's a few notes that kind of
remind me of that great movie. No, it's great, perfect movie.

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Do I like him? Now you got me thinking, I'm like,
is this technically a better movie than the thing, even
though I like the Thing more.

Speaker 2 (01:08:40):
It's but that's the thing is like the thing about
it is, like I said, I'm just saying, like the
way I look at things in certain ways of like
the essence of the story. Like the Thing is, Yes,
it is a fantastic film about paranoia, not trusting people
and stuff like that, and you know, who what what
happened at the end, and you know, like all that

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kind of cool stuff. It's great special effects, but like
this what the whole romantic aspect of it. It is
just something that is I feel like more it. When
you get done watching the Thing, you think it's really
good and you leave it at that. When you get
on watching The Fly, you you feel something when the
movie's over.

Speaker 1 (01:09:17):
You definitely have. This one's definitely more emotional. Yeah, you
definitely feel more stuff. For like Brundle, it's more tragic really.

Speaker 2 (01:09:23):
Oh yeah, And I think that's one of the reason
why the film is so I think it to be honest,
that is why the film we're still talking about. Yeah,
that because like I will, I love David Krowberberg's film,
but not every film is like this film. Yeah, this
is definitely different. This is different than Scanners, it's different
than Video Drome. This is He did really good job
in UH and Dead Zone, but that was already pre wrote, written,

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written into the Stephen King storyline. Yeah, yes, so, I
mean this is just like like I said, like the
first half of this movie is a romantic movie, and
then when you add in, you know, it's the it's
the classic like tragedy to a romantic film that just
amplifies the feeling of the film itself.

Speaker 1 (01:10:01):
Yeah, yeah, no, I I still really enjoy it. I
think it's solid. It's a great spot.

Speaker 2 (01:10:06):
I love.

Speaker 1 (01:10:08):
I just went there a few years ago and I
forget it. They still have it, but the special effects
makeup show at Universal Studios.

Speaker 2 (01:10:13):
Oh it's great.

Speaker 1 (01:10:14):
I think they still do the fly at the end.
I think, did they do it?

Speaker 2 (01:10:18):
What do you mean?

Speaker 1 (01:10:19):
Oh? So? Oh wait no, I think maybe now they
do a werewolf that comes out.

Speaker 2 (01:10:22):
It's a werewolf that comes out.

Speaker 1 (01:10:23):
Okay, originally they did have the pods and an animatronic fly.

Speaker 2 (01:10:29):
It's a fake. It's a fake werewolf person because being back,
I literally just did it, like okay.

Speaker 1 (01:10:34):
Yeah, yeah, now I remember, because when I was younger,
it was the fly, the pods, the fly would come out.
But you're right now, it's like a stupid werewolf thing.
It's not as cool as the fly.

Speaker 2 (01:10:42):
No, it's it's it's clearly a fake, like a fake
stuffed like person whatever.

Speaker 1 (01:10:46):
But it was funny because I think a guy would
go on with like a lion shirt and then the
fly would come out wearing a shirt.

Speaker 2 (01:10:52):
It was.

Speaker 1 (01:10:52):
It was really cool. But yeah, great, great movie. I
don't know why they made a sequel other than people
knew she was pregnant, so I guess maybe there was
wiggle room the sequel. I like remember thinking it was
very underrated. I remember like, obviously not as much as
the first one. Yeah, well, yeah, but I wonder I
actually want to revisit it. I do own it.

Speaker 2 (01:11:13):
On the AH, I will say I love the first one,
and I will have said I like the second one more.
But the only reason why I like the second one
more is just because it has the happy ending. I
do like the hat. But the thing is is, I
wouldn't like the second one if we didn't have the
first one, because that makes that makes the second one
the happy ending so much more justified because of the

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first one.

Speaker 1 (01:11:34):
Yeah, I'd want to watch it again. It's been a
long time since I've seen I never hated it like
some people did. Yeah, I've always really enjoyed it, probably
because they played him back to back a lot well.

Speaker 2 (01:11:44):
Also Chris Wallace, he comes in effects and directs.

Speaker 1 (01:11:49):
Yes, and the fly looks awesome in this.

Speaker 2 (01:11:51):
Oh yeah, it looks a lot of people say it
wasn't as like you didn't have as much mobility like
in the first one, but you get straight up like big,
big fly. Yeah, and it actually killing people like like
legit just killing arm guards and stuff.

Speaker 1 (01:12:06):
And I'm glad they never did flies.

Speaker 2 (01:12:09):
I remember seeing was that that one from the two thousands?

Speaker 1 (01:12:11):
No, I remember, like I remember, like on forums they're
like they should have did one called flies where it's
a bunch of flies like.

Speaker 2 (01:12:17):
Crowenberg in two thousand and nine or something like that
was going to do a sequel, direct sequel to his
version and he just just end up like I don't
know what happened, but like, yeah, he brought it up
like no, no, like I'm gonna revisit this, which is
like something. I mean, he doesn't make sequels of his films. Ye,
that's kind of crazy for him to, Like.

Speaker 1 (01:12:36):
I mean, there are a bunch of Scanners sequels and
spin offs, but he didn't do them.

Speaker 2 (01:12:40):
They'll I'm telling you, Tony, the only one that sucks
is three.

Speaker 1 (01:12:43):
All of them are great scanner cops. They're great.

Speaker 2 (01:12:46):
They're good, so fucking good. I got the vinegar syndrome versions.
They're so freaking Are.

Speaker 1 (01:12:50):
We gonna do best scanners at some point? We have
to because it's so dude.

Speaker 2 (01:12:55):
Okay, you don't like the first one the second?

Speaker 1 (01:12:57):
Maybe I don't like the first one. Now sometimes every
visit movies and I go in with a different mindset.
I'm like, oh, I actually really like this second one.

Speaker 2 (01:13:03):
I'm not gonna lie like, yes, okay, first one's better
because Michael Ironside, But if you took microe Ironside out
of the first one, the second one I think is better.

Speaker 1 (01:13:11):
Okay, all right, we're gonna watch every scanners and all
the scanner cops. It's gonna be scanners. How many are there?

Speaker 3 (01:13:19):
Uh?

Speaker 2 (01:13:19):
So there's three scanners and two scanner cops?

Speaker 1 (01:13:21):
Jesus Christ? Is there a TV show? Is there Scanners TV?

Speaker 2 (01:13:24):
Now? That'd be cool, though, Holy shit, sci Fi get
on it? Well Fi even is it still a channel?

Speaker 1 (01:13:30):
Yeah? Okay, uh but yeah that is uh it for
me from us logan, Where can we find you?

Speaker 2 (01:13:39):
Uh video Villa Entertainment? Uh anywhere? We got a website
ww dot com. Uh, Video Villa Entertainment, Instagram, Video Villa Entertainment.
Uh YouTube video Villa Entertainment. But yeah we we If
you want more eighties remakes, We've done the Blob and
uh Thing. Eventually we will do Invaders. That is on

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the dock.

Speaker 1 (01:14:03):
I will rewatch that movie final. Yes, I've talked about
the thing on our John Carpenter episode. I have a
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a patrin because we do have plenty of bonus videos
and everything. Like I said, commentary track for the thing.
If you don't want to become a patron, you can
just purchase it. It's me and Crystal. Maybe you're like,
I really just want to hear Tony and Crystal talk
about the thing and nothing else. One time purchase. Don't
don't have to pledge monthly, but you should. It's cheaper
and you get a lot more. Uh. But yeah, that
is it from us I hope you guys enjoyed the video.

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And yeah, I'm very tired, and you have another coffee
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