What Is The BEST 28 Days Later Movie? - Hack The Movies (#414) - Hack The Movies

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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Good morning, Tony. Your mission, should you choose to accept it,
review movies on the internet. Choose your team, but remember
no girls allowed. This table self destruct in five seconds.
Good luck, Tony. This is Boys Month.

Speaker 2 (00:32):
Hello everyone. I got it right this time. I made
sure that it was going to click on me, and
I always mess that up. I've messed it up like
every single time. Hello everyone, and welcome to another hack
the movie. It's a very special episode. It's the last
episode of Boys Month, which I know we're all really
really excited about. We're all enjoying it. We haven't had

(00:53):
to see any of those broads all month long. It's
been really really great. And to help me close out
Boys Month is our boy Gil.

Speaker 3 (01:03):
Hello Gil, Hello Tony. I love that opening. I have
so many questions though, who is the Jim Phelps that
gave you this mission? Why? What organization is it? Part
of I want to know the lore.

Speaker 2 (01:14):
I don't think we thought about it that hard, Gil.
We've been live streaming a bunch all month.

Speaker 3 (01:22):
Yeah, I'm Alien Earth every Tuesday. Check it out. We
stream nine thirty Eastern Standard time. Yes, break down the
latest episodes.

Speaker 2 (01:29):
As soon as the episodes are done, we go live
we talk about them. I haven't missed an episode, and
I don't plan on missing any episodes. Apparently Gil and
his family are a little bit more relaxed when it
comes to who uh what episodes they do.

Speaker 3 (01:46):
I just I dreamed up the idea of seeing you
co host a live stream with my little brother. That
just sounds like such a fun idea. I want to
get sit back and watch it.

Speaker 2 (01:55):
It sounds great. I'm sure the chemistry will be worked perfectly.
I know they've been really really fun to do. I've
been putting them on the podcast feed as well. I
assume at the end, I'll just like stitch them all together,
put out one big compilation for them. But yeah, everyone
should check that out. Today we're gonna, oh god, oh god,

(02:18):
there we are. Today, we're gonna be talking about the
twenty eight days movies. I don't know if they have
a title. I'm just calling them the twenty eight days Later.

Speaker 3 (02:27):
There's no good way to refer to it, because if
you say twenty eight movies, we're talking about twenty eight
movies first.

Speaker 2 (02:37):
But yeah, before we get into that, everyone please become
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up the mug, and they look great. Some are saying
it's the best mug they've ever had. Gil. They've been saying.

Speaker 3 (03:05):
That, Wow, you're great mug on a mug.

Speaker 2 (03:09):
Yes, yes, yes, I consider becoming a patron. If you
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(03:29):
got a one stop shop for all your hack the
movies needs. This weekend, I decided I'm going to do
another fan film fiesta and look at some Superman fan films.
Gil and I might watch this one, Superman Solar I.
Based on your reaction, I think you might have heard
of this one. Have you seen anything.

Speaker 3 (03:49):
I haven't heard of it. I'm just just looking at it.
It just it looks great. I think you've chosen a
great way to spend your time.

Speaker 2 (03:55):
I've seen some clips of it, Gil, It's not very good.

Speaker 3 (04:00):
Is he solar powered? Is that the idea? This is
like a Captain Planet kind of thing.

Speaker 2 (04:03):
Well, Superman is solar powered, he gets this powerful. Yeah,
I've never watched in its entirety. Maybe those clips that
look like they're shot horribly and acted poorly, I'm just
I just feel that, Beau, I'm watching them out of context,
got right. Maybe if I watch them in context, it'll
be great. Say, I'm gonna pick a few Superman fan

(04:23):
films and we're gonna watch that maybe Saturday. I think
we're gonna set that up for Saturday. We did this
a while back for Jurassic Park, and that was a
lot of fun. We watched some good ones, we watched
some really really bad ones. Uh. Yeah, I'm gonna take
a look at that. But today we got to talk
about Oh wait, no, before we get into that, what's
the name of the game game space?

Speaker 1 (04:45):
No?

Speaker 3 (04:45):
Oh wait a minute, the name of the game is
super Chat. You don't want to hear us whisper sweet,
nothing's in your ear? Send a super Chat and we'll
read it out loud within reason, folks with this is
the Internet, after.

Speaker 2 (04:57):
All, And I want to apologize for this week. We
did a goal and we reached the goal, and I
was supposed to film myself dancing as Austin Powers, and
I was like, I'll do it the next day. And
then I spent all of Friday wondering if I killed
Vito Jiswalde because he had it tweeted in three days
and I was the last interaction he had and I

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was fighting with him, and I'm like, I'm suddenly not
in a dancing mood. Vito's alive. I'm sure people are
either celebrating or mad about that. And then I babysat
for two days on like three hours of sleep, and
I've been really busy, so I'm gonna get the Austin
Powers dance out. I apologize to you guys that I
didn't do that. So no goal today, but please still

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give me super chats because I really really neat that.

Speaker 3 (05:41):
But twenty years ago, when you were thinking ahead to
your future, did you think this would be it? That
there would be just the whole Internet is waiting for
me to dance like Austin Powers. That's the big stress
in my life.

Speaker 2 (05:53):
Yeah, honestly, honestly, probably yeah, probably probably was. I was
probably filming myself dance on the internet for free, just
to be an asshole. So yeah, I can see it
going this way. I think I've made it to where
I need to be good good. But yes, a few
months ago, twenty eight years later came out and everyone

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kept asking me, Hey, what are you going to talk
about it when you can talk about him? Like, I
really want to just talk about all of them. I
want to do it with my boy Gil. We were
supposed to do it earlier. I think we had to
move it.

Speaker 3 (06:26):
Yes, for me, something came up for you.

Speaker 2 (06:29):
Yeah, there was some scheduling thing. We had to move
it around. But yeah, now's the time. And of course
we have to start at the beginning if we're going
to talk about these movies, and of course we have
to talk about twenty eight Days starring Sandra Bullock, and
I have the plot synopsis here from the VHS tape. Okay,

(06:51):
Gwen Cummings. Sandra Bullock a successful New York journalist, an
ultimate party girl loves to have a good time. Trouble is,
she can never tell when She's had enough when she
borrows her sister Elizabeth Perkins wedding limo and plows it
into someone's front porch. The wild life she shares with

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her boyfriend Jasper Dominic West comes to a screeching holt.
She earns herself a dui and a twenty eight day
stretch in rehab. There she faces an unthinkable set of
rules no cell phones, and they have that in like parentheses.

Speaker 4 (07:33):
Which we are very angry, yes if you will, yes,
and uh hold yeah, no cell phones and some strange
rituals like chanting and gulp sharing her feelings.

Speaker 2 (07:47):
Joining up with an eccentric group of fellow rehabers led
by the im inimitable, inimidable, abdominable, the abdominant Snowman counselor
Cornell Steep Bucemi Gwenn and barks on a touching, often
hilarious road to recovery, where she learns that life is

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not always a party and that real happiness comes from within,
and also flirting with Bego Mortensen. Weird way to start
off this franchise. Not gonna lie Gil, But I actually
I watched this morning. This is a really good movie.
Who did you think? Well?

Speaker 3 (08:27):
And you do see some of the seeds planted. They
get picked up and repeated in later movies. The movie
opens up on VHS footage, so anytime she's partying, they
present the flashbacks as something you'd see in a camquarder,
which they took into twenty eight days later and basically
shot the entire movie that way. So some of that
kind of grounded feel gets planted here.

Speaker 2 (08:47):
And you're right, they're definitely they're at some kind of
rehab facility, but it's you know, they're all full of
rage a lot of the people there because they're being
cut off from their drug of choice. So yeah, it
was cool to see how they planted the seeds there
for what would be this franchise. Weird that the first
one is a like kind of romantic comedy drama. I
wasn't expecting that, I will say this director, I think, oh,

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we're at the bottom of the HS tape. It goes
and don't miss the Net starring Sandra Bullock. Don't worry,
I won't miss the Net. I have it here. Yeah again,
sorry for boys month. I know this is a movie
about a lady and her problems. I didn't realize that
going in. But you know what I said, we got
to do all the twenty eight movies. We had to

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start here.

Speaker 3 (09:35):
This does take a couple of men to tell her
how to handle her problems. That's that is true.

Speaker 2 (09:44):
The director of this movie, I'm actually familiar with Betty Thomas,
who directed the Howard Stern movie Private Parts, which I
reviewed on here, and she would end up directing Alvin
and the Chipmunks. The squeak, Well, that was thing that
she went I'm directing im.

Speaker 3 (10:02):
Is placed in a way where it seems like they've
copyrighted the word at Chipmunks.

Speaker 2 (10:07):
It really does. Yeah, but I really think that out
quite well. I really liked this movie. It was fun
little character drama. I liked learning everyone's different issues. I
like how she goes into the program thinking she's better
than it. She slowly learns to be accepting and whatnot.

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Of course, the main act, though her fiance or boyfriend
in it, is Dominic West who He's British, right, what's
his accent?

Speaker 3 (10:38):
Sounded British? He went on to play Jicksaw I think
right in the Punisher war Zone.

Speaker 2 (10:43):
Yes, and he was also in the Wire and three hundred.
It was an awesome. Yes, famous English actor. He is
an enabler of Gwen's lifestyle. He wants her to be
drunk all the time and partying. He's showing up to
rehab with cigarettes and alcohol, kills in her pocket, sneaking

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pills into her pocket, really really enabling her. She ends
up spoilers. I mean, I'm not saying she was cured.
You know, once an attic, you're always an attic, Gill,
those are the rules. But she learns to cope with
all her issues, and she realizes that he's an enabler
and she cuts him off, and he was very, very upset,
and I assumed that this breakup really took a toll

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on him. Obviously he loves drugs and stuff. So he
decided to go back to foggy London town and study
the things that make him very rageful and study how
people react to things. And I think he is what
leads into the next few films we're going to talk about.
I think this situation really scarred him and he had

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to figure out the human psyche to wonder how to
figure out why he lost Sandra Bullock instead of just
looking at himself like Sandra Bullock did guys.

Speaker 3 (11:56):
I will sooner create a rage virus to take care
of the problem, go to.

Speaker 2 (12:01):
Therapy exactly exactly am I the problem? I don't know.
Let me pull apart this chimp and mess with its
brain and then we'll see what happened. But yes, twenty
eight Days really good movie. I mean it kind of
kind of glosses over, like the chemical effect that drugs
and stuff dudio. It's more like, oh, you just gotta
step out of it and learn to be happy again.

(12:22):
I'm like, well, yeah, I mean, if you do it
for so many years, it becomes a chemical thing. You
kind of glossed over that part.

Speaker 3 (12:27):
A lot of great Apparently a Golden Girls episode where
one of them gets hooked on painkillers or something like,
we're gonna help you get over this. So they keep
her up all night and then once the sun comes up,
they're like, we did it. It's like she's cured now
because she made it through one night and the sun
came up.

Speaker 2 (12:43):
I mean, look, Golden Girls, like they were elderly. I'm like,
maybe they're allowed to have pain killers. I'm like, maybe
they're allowed to happen. It was fun one one fun
connection here, so you get like a young Alan Tudic
in this movie, Bigo Morten, I.

Speaker 3 (12:57):
Don't know what he was doing in this movie, Mormance wise.

Speaker 2 (13:01):
What are you talking about? That was what That's what
gay men were like in the nineties and movies, Gil,
But did you not watch Will and Grace? Do you not?
You know, you know, just Jack and Will and Grace.
That's what they were like in the nineties, you know. Yeah, Okay,
I do love the shirt he's wearing at the end,
which is him naked, Like I'm like, I need to
actually hunt down that shirt. I love to have that.

(13:24):
But one of the older women in it, not Margo Martindale,
famous character actress, Margo Martindale. That's a that's a po
Jack war Jack. Yeah, yeah, thank you, thank you.

Speaker 3 (13:34):
For getting.

Speaker 2 (13:37):
Thank you. But the other elderly lady in this was
Diane Ladd Lara Deurn's mother, just Lara Jervison Jurassic Park,
and of course we all know Diane Ladd from Carnosaur,
which was at least four weeks before Jurassic Park, And uh, guys,
I know I already have the commentary track for but
there might be a Carnosaur review on the way on

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a little channel that talks about movies from the dumpster.
If you catch my if you catch when I'm picking
up what I'm throwing down, whatever the expression is. But yes,
twenty eight Days really really good film. I highly suggest
you watch it. It's on Hulu right now.

Speaker 3 (14:16):
We're actually reviewing it. I'll throw my two cents in
and say I thought it was pretty mediocre. I think
it's sort of a dark comedy, but it never really
melds the comedy with the dark material. It's sort of
like there's a decent story in there. Sandra Bullock gives
a great performance, and every once in a while, just
through sheer performance, she'll move you. But it's surrounded by
sitcom level antics that aren't very funny and painful to

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get through. But there's some good stuff buried in there.

Speaker 2 (14:42):
So what you're saying is that you liked that this
series took a shift into horror and action afterwards.

Speaker 3 (14:50):
I think that they corrected the formula going forward.

Speaker 2 (14:53):
Yes, yeah, So this movie comes out, it does okay,
and then a few years later, Danny Boyle and Alex
Garland they come up with a sequel. I don't know
why they didn't bring back Betty Thomas or whatever, or
Sandra Bullock. They decided to make a sequel called twenty
eight Days Later from two thousand and two. Now, let

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me pull up the little synopsis. Here, a group of
misguided animal rights activists free a cage chimp infected with
the rage virus from a medical research lab. When London,
Oh yeah, there's a picture of it. Sorry, When London

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bike courier Jim Killie Murphy, who also had a cameo
in the Dark Knight Rise as Much Like Me, wakes
up from a coma A month after he finds the
city all but deserted. On the run from the zombie
like victims of the Rage, Jim stumbles upon a group
of survivors, including Selena, Naomi Harris, and cab driver Frank

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Brendan Lisa, and joins them on a perilous journey to
what he hopes will be safety. Spoiler, it's not safety.
It's a setup and a lot of shit's gonna hit
the fan. And that's twenty days later. Now, Gil, When
did you first see this movie?

Speaker 3 (16:17):
I think I saw it within a couple of years
of it coming out.

Speaker 2 (16:21):
Yeah, I think I rented it with my friend Anthony
and we watch it, and this is one of those
Like I was too young to appreciate it the first
time I watched it, because it was two thousand and
two when I was like twelve. I want it like more.
I'm watching like The Dawn of the Dead and stuff
like I want it more zombie action, more gore, and

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this was like too slow paced for me.

Speaker 3 (16:46):
Yeah, I think for me, honestly, this was early on
in my ability to access R rated movies like I
don't you know. We rented it at home and watched it,
so I had not yet been desensitized to horror. So
for me a time, this was more zombie like action
than I'd seen in any movie. And I also was
not used to having anything subverted. You know, the idea

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of going for rescue. I was too young to know
obviously that's going to go poorly. So when things go
insane at the end, it blew my mind. I loved
the movie the first time I saw it, but then
when you come back to it years later, you start
to appreciate more of the layers beneath just the action
and the thriller side of it.

Speaker 2 (17:26):
Yes, I was gonna say I didn't appreciate it the
first time. And also I see someone in the chat
and I remembered, I have to show something that they
did recently. I didn't appreciate it the first time I
watched it, and then years later, skipping ahead just a
little bit, I did watch twenty eight weeks later, and

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I remember liking that one right away, and I went, huh,
what was the difference here? And then I went back
and watched twenty eight days later and I like, it
was like what's called the Danty DeVito beam. I get it.
I get it now, I finally get it. I enjoyed
it way more when I went back and read this,
and I guess I just had a bunch of like,

(18:09):
I guess I had too many expectations of what the
movie was. I kept hearing it was so good, and
I don't know. I guess I was expected something bigger
but real quick. Are a good fan. AJ Whizzle, who
was in the chat. He actually wrote an article recently
for Zeus Media about twenty eight days later and how

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effective it was and I like this. He mentions that
the camera they used this is like he was doing
this for a while, Danny Boyle, he was making these
like big movies, and he was using just like cameras
you can just buy in a store for them. He
shot like a couple of things on like DV. What
does this say, Aja? It was a Canon Xcel one

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handheld DV camera to shoot most of the movie, or
some of the movie, I think. And it definitely does
have that early digital feel of a digital video, and
it gives the movie a really unique look. How do
you feel about like the way the movie looks?

Speaker 3 (19:05):
Oh, I love it. I mean I don't think it
was entirely an artistic choice, like some of it was.
Literally we need to keep the budget down. Yeah, we
need to be very We need cameras that are very maneuverable,
Like when we're trying to shoot the streets, we want
to get them as empty as possible. Okay, now it's good,
shoot it for like three seconds. They have to be
very easy to pick up, turn on, and put down.
But I think it ended up working very well for

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the movie because it gives it a sort of found
footage feel like even when the title comes up twenty
eight days later, it's not presented as a title card.
It's presented as if this were a documentary it's saying,
twenty eight years after the events you just witnested are
twenty eight days later after these events, now this happens.
It gives the movie such a grounded feel, and I
feel like, especially when you're dealing with fantastical stuff like

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zombie like creatures, the more grounded you can make it feel, obviously,
the more impact it's going to have when the carnage
actually comes.

Speaker 2 (19:58):
Yeah. I I also think other directors tried to do
this at some point. I think Michael Mann did that
movie Public Enemies from two thousand and nine with Johnny Depp.
Did you ever see that one?

Speaker 3 (20:10):
No? No, I don't think so.

Speaker 2 (20:11):
And I think, if I remember right, someone verified the story.
But I think he also shot like some of the
scenes on digital video in addition to like film. Hold on,
I'm trying to see it here.

Speaker 3 (20:23):
That is always disappointing. You're like, I can make a
movie like you say, twenty eight years later, we shot
it on iPhones and you look at all the behind
the scenes videos. Yeah, that's all that stuff you have
attached to the iPhones. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (20:35):
He shot it with like an F twenty three digital camera,
like a Sony And apparently I remember people at the
time thinking like, I feel like that movie should have
looked better, but it kind of looked cheap. So yeah,
there was that weird period where people were trying to
switch over to like digital stuff. But now everything's pretty
much shot.

Speaker 3 (20:50):
It's also like it's a lot of it. There's all
the context around the movie, and when you know it's
like a big budget filmmaker who's using the cheaper camera
on purpose, it just hits you differently. For twenty eight
days later, when you know, like you can feel that
like diy energy find the movie of like we're like
a scrappy production, and I think you almost subconsciously allow

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it more. It doesn't come off as disingenuous or cheesy
that they're shooting it this way.

Speaker 2 (21:18):
But yeah, I actually I really really like this. So
I love that it skips over the whole like initial
zombie Apocalypse. First off, the fucking idiots who let the
chimpanzee out, Okay, they didn't know it was a rage
infected chimpanzee, right, they didn't know. They didn't know. They
should have like taken pictures and stuff and went back

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and reported it or something, because regular not rage infected chimpanzee.
I don't want to let that out of its cage,
but I'm around it in like a small room. It's
gonna murder me.

Speaker 3 (21:53):
That's agitated, Like whether it's infected with agitation or just
has it, you don't want to let it out. Like,
are we quip to take care of this animal?

Speaker 2 (22:01):
Yeah? You know chimp fancies once they hit like puberty
and get to a certain age, like they can't be
around humans anymore. That's why, like all the ones of
movies are like younger, Like, I'm not gonna be like,
look at this. Isn't this awful what they're doing? Should
we let them out? Oh? God, God no, No, leave
them in there. Someone else could let them out. I
don't have any they didn't have trank guns already. I
don't know what they were gonna do. They're like seventeen

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chips in that lab. What the fuck were they planning
on to?

Speaker 3 (22:25):
It is funny because I do feel like it's unintentionally
sort of counter to a lot of the messaging in
these movies, which is, by the end, it's very distrustful
of governments and the army people who are supposed to
protect us, or even the fact that they were manufacturing
this virus to begin with. Yeah, and they don't get
into a lot of what are they actually trying to achieve.
I mean, besides the one line of like, in order

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to control, first you must understand and even in the
script there's like a little bit more context given. Okay,
I forget the exact quote, but the implication is basically
they want to be able to, yeah, just to have
power over all the things we feel we can't control, anger, violence.
The implication I get from that is they would use

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it for essentially crowd control. Like if you ever saw
the movie Equilibrium, where everyone's taking pills to like tamp
down their emotions, Like, you get the vibe that they're
trying to manufacture this dystopian future in that lab. So
like we should not trust the government. But then the
ones who screw everything up are these animal activists, who
you think would be kind of on the side of

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the filmmakers for these movies.

Speaker 2 (23:29):
Yeah, I guess there are really no good guys in
this situation. But yeah, I liked Killy Murphy when he
wakes up going around like London and it's just completely empty,
And now it makes me sad whenever I see London
attack because I'm always like, oh, my good friend Manny
Muskets is from there. I hope Manny's okay. I hope
his family's okay over there. But yeah, so he's bugging around.

(23:53):
I love when he finds these fuck you there's zombies.
I'm calling him zombies. Do you get hung up on
the zombie? You should call them infected?

Speaker 3 (24:01):
No the way I finally, this has been a paradox
in my mind ever since I saw this movement. How
do I reconcile this complication? Are these zombies or not?
And this is where I finally came down on. If
you have a friend who's just getting into movies, they
see Down of the Dead, they see Return of the Dead,
Return of the Living Dead. I love zombie movies. Man,

(24:22):
you're a film fan. Do you have any any other
zombie movies to recommend? And then in your mind, like
I can't say, twenty eight days later they're technically not zombies.
If he then saw the movie later, he would come
back and be like, Hey, why didn't you tell me
about this great movie? And well, technically it's not a
zombie movie, And to me, go ahead, you.

Speaker 2 (24:39):
Know, you know what pisses me off the whole technically
not a zombie. It's like, okay, well the zombie movies
you're thinking of are not technically zombies. That's a Haitian
voodoo thing, right, or are you supposed to do like
a spell and everything? So before we get really like
nitpick everything, like, they're not fucking zombies either. It's just
an easy way to say, what the name of that, mom,
It's like calling the creature Frankenstein. It's like, we know

(25:01):
that's not like the name. We know that's not right.
It just makes it easier for everyone.

Speaker 3 (25:05):
Come on, they're not zombies. But it's a good shorthand.
And this is clearly in the zombie genre. That's where
I come down on it.

Speaker 2 (25:12):
Yeah, it's like, okay, not every vampire aware wolf has
the same rules and abilities and stuff, but you still
call them vampires aware weld. This is fine. I did
love in the The Newest movie Skipping Ahead, they did
refer to them as zombies. I'm like, oh, thank god
they said it. They said it in Universe and we
could stop fighting about this.

Speaker 3 (25:33):
I saw an interview with Alex Garland where they're like,
so you guys finally use the word zombie, and he
looked so confused. He's like, what when are you talking about?
Like he just couldn't care less about it and didn't
even remember it. And then so they actually a couple
of days ago started selling the screenplay as a book
and it's I was curious and I picked it up,
and the word zombie is not in the screenplay, so
I think Danny Boyle added it during filming, and maybe

(25:55):
in that interview Garland was like, wait, what, they're not zombies?
Who put that in my movie?

Speaker 2 (26:00):
He just rips up the scripts for the next three
movies that they're planning. I don't want anything to do
with this. So one thing I like about the zombies
in this is that you get around a lot of
the old like like cliches and stuff, so you get bitten.
You're a zombie right almost right away. And I love

(26:25):
that moment where he meets up with Selena U or
is it Selene, Selene or Selena? Hold on, I.

Speaker 3 (26:31):
Don't believe it's Selena. Pretty sure, yes.

Speaker 2 (26:34):
It is Selena. Yeah. Yeah. When Jim meets up with Selena,
she's there with another guy and he gets bit just
a little bit and she without hesitation just hacks him
up with a machete. She's not taking any chance to say, yeah,
if blood gets into your mouth or your eyes or
any open wounds, or if they bite you, you're a zombie.

(26:54):
It's like ten thirteen seconds, Matt and you switch. So
we get rid of the cliche of oh I got
bit and I have to hide it? Uh, because which
is it's funny with shot at the Deadbae fun of it.
But then zombie movies kept doing that cliche afterwards, and
it's like, all right, no, this guy's getting a little
old here. It's kind of hard to do this cliche out.

Speaker 3 (27:16):
Once a genre has parodied itself, and then it keeps
good and it becomes a zombie genre basically. Yeah, but
they turn up the zombies to the extreme in every
respect with how quickly they turn you. Of course, the
fact that they run, and every time they show up
they're breaking through a window or crashing through something, so
it's loud, the music kicks in. There's always a character

(27:38):
yelling someone's name. Like one of the parts of the
movie that's imprinted in my memory from the first time
I saw it, when they're running up the stairs like
Seer yelling over and over. It's just you're terrified every
time they show up.

Speaker 2 (27:51):
Yeah and yeah, you're right, So they are one hundred
percent rage all the time. I love when he finds
them in the church. They're like technically sleeping. I think
I just think they're like conserving energy because they've run
out of things to rage against, and they just look
like they're comatos. And I love when they wake up
and they like can't run yet, because I think they're

(28:12):
like limbs need to wake up a little bits. That
seems terrified me. In the church, when he's like hello
and the one guy just turns up and just freezes,
I'm like, oh god, that's so fucking scary.

Speaker 3 (28:23):
I also love how it's a little bit undefined exactly
what they're doing, Like they're not trying to eat you,
like they'll bite you and maybe they'll eat you a little,
but it's not like they've become cannibals. It's like literally
they just turned up the rage impulse, turned off everything
else and they're just existing on pure instincts.

Speaker 2 (28:39):
Well, they want to attack and kill, but I think
once your blood's infected, they know that you're one of them,
so they stop. So I think that's why they don't
really eat you too much. They do kill people. I
think that's just like they go a little too hard,
too fast. It is like regular zombie movies Dawn to
the Dead, they rip that guy up, it's like five
hundred pieces, like, well, he's not coming back because it's

(29:00):
mean they got a little carried away with that one.

Speaker 3 (29:02):
Right. Yeah, that is always a weird contradiction in zombie movies.
I want to eat you, but biting you is what
turns you into I guess you can die in any
manner and it turns you into a zombie, so you'll
always have a healthy supply.

Speaker 2 (29:14):
Yeah, but with these I just think the in faction
takes over so quick. So once they realize it's in
your system, they're just like, okay, I'm gonna leave this
guy alone. And then they come up and may become
because we see like as soon as they get bit,
they just join along. They're like cool, Yeah, I'm with
you guys. It's awesome. Uh but yeah, yeah, I like
I like Jim. I do like what he meets with

(29:34):
Brendan Gleeson Frank, but no offense to the little girl.
But she's not the best actress. She's not the best actress.
So there's a point, a really dark moment later on
where they drug her to cope with something horrible that's
about to happen, and she's acting all like Lucy Goosey,
and it wasn't much different than her regular acting. Like

(29:57):
I know she's supposed to be drugged and tired, but
like she kind of sounded like that to begin with.
So I'm like, I feel like this isn't hitting as
hard as it should.

Speaker 3 (30:07):
Just work together and together, maybe we can find hope.

Speaker 2 (30:12):
Yeah, yeah, she's she kind of brings the movie down.
Everyone else is great and this everyone else went into
great things, which called Naomi Harris got to be money
Penny in the James Bond movies and uh she was
in an okay, Pirates of the Caribbean movie, and then
she was in that terrible one where she remember she
turned into a giant and became crabs dah.

Speaker 3 (30:31):
It might have been when I stopped watching.

Speaker 2 (30:34):
Good Place to Jump Off, really Good Place to jump off?

Speaker 3 (30:36):
There.

Speaker 2 (30:39):
Yeah, So I I like some of the moment, like
some of the quieter moments of this movie. I really
like when Jim like finds his parents and they we
find out that they basically committed suicide so they didn't
have to deal with all this. And they because they
thought mistakingly that he was dead, because like, well he's
in the hospital in the middle of the city. Clearly
he's dead. So although his room must have been super fortified,

(31:02):
I didn't know raid zombie go in there and get it.

Speaker 3 (31:05):
Yeah, well they do it. They do say on the
note they left him, they were like, don't wake up.
So that made me think they knew he was still alive.
But they figured he's probably not gonna come out of
this coma. So it assumes like he'll go in his sleep.
It'll be powerful.

Speaker 2 (31:18):
Even if he could come out of the coma, there's
zombies everywhere, so he's not gonna make it very far. Yeah,
So I like that moment, and then I like later
on where Brendan Gleeson wakes him up and he still
have to sleep. He calls Brendan Gleeson like dad, so
like he's still like it hasn't fully sunk into him yet.
And I love the dream sequence he has.

Speaker 3 (31:39):
This is really the horse is running around.

Speaker 2 (31:41):
Yeah, it was so like cheap and horse running and
used it. I don't know. There's a lot of dream
like moments in this and I think the DV camera
actually helps with that, give it like this unnatural look.
So yeah, I really like those moments uh the movie.

Speaker 3 (31:55):
On that point that where you're saying it feels like
dream like, I would say throughout the movie it often
has a really surreal feeling, and I think that's part
of what makes the movie so special. Like even you
mentioned earlier that awesome moment where right after he comes
out of the coma, it's surreal seeing him run around
and start picking up money. Yes, if that's going to
do anything for him, and that awesome music kicks in.

(32:17):
There's even one part, like another surreal moment where they
all get to the grocery store and like they're laughing
and having a great time, which just feels weird in
this context. Right after that scene, as they're driving away,
they do something weird with like the camera filter and
they make it literally look like they're driving through a
painting where you see, like the flower bed looks like
Van Go drew it. So the movie just and I

(32:38):
think it's funny because one of the ways I compliment
the movie is by saying how real it feels, but
I think sometimes life feels surreal, Like if you were
to wake up in the middle of a zombie apocalypse,
it would be that feeling of this can't be true.
Even Jim says, you know, I wake up in the hospital,
I'm hallucinating or something like. He doesn't know what's going on,
and they make you feel that.

Speaker 2 (32:58):
So well, yeah, I like the two different I like
that everyone else has experienced this like pandemic in two
different ways. So like Frank and his daughter were like
barricaded in the apartment. Selene's been on the ground. Selene
has been on the ground fighting these things. So like
Jim is the twenty eight days behind everyone else and

(33:20):
so they have to, like Kevin like catch up. I
do like the it explores like certain things in zombie
apocalypse that you wouldn't think about. It's like, oh, he's crashes. Yeah,
all we have is sugar. Like literally, I'm finding food
that's all just high in sugar, and you're crashing. So
I can give you asked for in a more sugar.

Speaker 3 (33:36):
He's like, I have a headache. I don't feel good.
She's like, why don't you say anything. I'm like, because
You've been talking to me like this the whole time.
I don't think you care.

Speaker 2 (33:43):
Yeah, at some points, Slen's gonna be like, oh, right,
you've been asleep for twenty days. I did. Like when
Frank had all the buckets on the roof and they're
in fagi London town. He's like, yeah, it hasn't rained.
We're allly in bloody London. Like I was really banking
on it at raining at some point so I could
ring this, but I can't.

Speaker 3 (34:01):
And he's such like a he really does feel like
a father figure, Like when Jim finds him, like the
movie just feels safer, and he's like a little bit
happier than everybody else, which is so such a perfect contrast.
Like you said, with the girl, when she starts acting
different you barely notice, but him when he loses his
temper later and when he's yelling like that really lands
because the rest of the movie like, I love this guy, Yeah,

(34:24):
he's really good.

Speaker 2 (34:25):
I love what he just knocks that zombie down the stairwell,
and I love the dummy if it's just hitting every
fricking guardrail in between the stairs.

Speaker 3 (34:33):
That was They beat john Wick four to it by
about like yeah, twenty years.

Speaker 2 (34:40):
So yeah. The movie then takes a shift. When Frank dies,
he gets real mad. So they've been following this radio
broadcast to come to this thing. The cure is here.
The answer I'll answer to infection is here. The answer
to infection is here. So they're making my way. They
come to a blockade. Frank gets man. He yells at

(35:03):
some crows.

Speaker 3 (35:07):
Okay, I remember the phrasing. He was like, get out
of it, get out of it, and sense I've never
said before, but he really says it. A very memorable wah.

Speaker 2 (35:15):
Listen. I said this movie avoided a lot of cliches.
You'll still get characters doing something stupid like just leave
the crow alone. Who cares? Uh? So yeah, the crow
just gets blood into Frank's eye, drives him nuts, and
they have to mercy kill. And this is like this

(35:35):
is the second person because I forgot Jim kills like
a kid, and that's like the first infected that he killed.
And I love that he's like everything okay, He's like
everything's fine, Like he just does want to admit that
like what he just did, which again is also from
Dawn of the Dead, when what's his face has killed
the two kids when they fueled up the helicopter. So yeah, uh,

(35:56):
Frank dies and then they meet the military who is
at Chris for Eccleston, right.

Speaker 3 (36:02):
I think that's right.

Speaker 2 (36:03):
Yes, of course, of course we all know him from
Thor The Dark World and I guess I guess he's
like a doctor who or something. Uh what else is
Christopher Ecleston in hold.

Speaker 3 (36:15):
On Christopher Christopher Eckelson or The Dark World? Yeah, you
covered that Thor The Dark World, the Doctor three episodes
of True Detective.

Speaker 2 (36:29):
Ooh he did.

Speaker 3 (36:31):
I'll say he was perfectly cast in this movie, like
he played that role so well.

Speaker 2 (36:36):
Yes, oh yeah, oh sorry, sorry he was. He was
Destro and g I Joe Rise of Cobra, which I reviewed.
He was also in the Others He's the Cole Kidman's
ghost husband and the Others, which I also reviewed. So yeah,
he is great in this. And this is again another
zombie cliche where it's like this, you think the zombies

(36:57):
are bet it's actually man that's the problem. And we
saw it, yeah, we saw it a Night Living Dead
where it's like no one can get along in the
house and work together. We saw it in Dawn of
the Dead, where the biker gang, free of any rules
and lulls and consequences for their actions, will just turn
mad and start killing people for fun. Even though there's

(37:17):
a zombie problems. They should be working together. So here
we learn that the answer to infection is to rebuild again.
I do like that he has this guy on a chain,
so this is one of his soldiers that got infected.
I'm like, why are you keeping him here? He's like,
because I want to know if he ever gets tired
of this. He's like, and I want to know how
long it's going to take him to starve to death
because these things aren't eating yet. So yeah, it gets

(37:44):
real dark because he's like, yeah, so you know, I
had this whole plan to take over, but my men
were getting restless, so I promised them women. It's like,
oh shit, this is terrifying. They try to kill Jim.
Jim is somehow able to beat all of these guys.

Speaker 3 (38:01):
Yeah. Well, which I'll say is like part of the
reason I love this movie so much is because like,
nothing feels as good just watching Jim come back and
take them all out. Yeah, And I think, like, when
you start to delve into the layers of this movie.
It's about rage. And one of the things that Danny
Boyle said drew him to the script is that it's
about societal rage, and like the opening images of what

(38:21):
the chimp is watching is basically social unrest, you know, uprising.
So that's kind of one of the themes. And I
think part of what it's saying is that we all
have rage inside us. And you know, Jim obviously becomes
the infected he has to go into a rage in
order to defeat them. But I think part of what
it's saying is that rage is actually kind of intoxicating

(38:43):
and it is useful in certain circumstances, like when he
needs to go into a rage and kill all these people.
And I'll say, as a viewer, it feels awesome. It's
got that great music to it.

Speaker 2 (38:55):
Although although I don't know, I think freeing the zombie
was too big of a risk. I wouldn't have done
that Sarcy.

Speaker 3 (39:04):
Rewatching the movie more recently, you know, if I were
to nitpick it, I think this is where some sort
of silly stuff happens, like the major telling Jim what
they're up to, like I promise them women, Like he
does that very fast, and he has to know that
Jim is not going to go along with it. At
that point, maybe he knows he's not going to go along,
but he's like, you know what, I'm just gonna give

(39:24):
it a shot. Why not? But okay, even if you
buy that, then when Jim's like, I need to get
Hannah and Selena. We need to get out of here,
and instead of being like, guys, we gotta get out
of here, he's like, we have to go. Come on,
and he just alerts everybody. So there's some silly stuff
like the overall arc of it.

Speaker 2 (39:41):
I really enjoy I did like the little operation they
have there where they just set up minds during the
day and they just call the zombies and just like
annihilate them as they're running. Yeah, yeah, they We're gonna
be held up there for a while. I it was
an awkward moment towards the end where like there's like
an attempted like assault with the girls and like Selina's
like drugging the one girl, Jam's killing everyone and they're

(40:03):
like that seems like an appropriate time to have a
guy screamed like a girl in a comedic moment across
the street. I'm like I don't know, maybe earlier I'm like, it's.

Speaker 3 (40:11):
A lot of surrealism.

Speaker 2 (40:12):
It's wacky, it's weird. I just love the like the
guy coming in after well, I love.

Speaker 3 (40:19):
When you first arrive you don't know what to expect,
and like the first thing you see is that all
these soldiers are acting like children. Like one of them
is wearing an apron and like acting silly. One of
them is like driving the car around and he's like,
I need the food so I can cook, And you're like,
oh boy, Like at the best case scenario, they're incompetent.
Worst case, they're up to something devious.

Speaker 2 (40:38):
Like I don't think these guys were put on the
front lines for a reason.

Speaker 3 (40:42):
And now that's yeah, why we're why were they the
ones who survived? They were the ones back at camp?
You know?

Speaker 2 (40:47):
Uh, But I love the colonel or whatever's like speech,
he's like, you know what I saw today, people killing people.
You know what I saw before that, people killing people.
He's like, it's just like a normal thing. Man, He's
gonna kill each other and like someone should raise their hands,
like I know what you're like doing, buddy, but this
is like a totally different thing. And so this isn't
killing because they're choosing. This is like their brain has

(41:09):
been rewired. They don't really have any free will. Like
it's a little different this time. We can all agree, right.

Speaker 3 (41:15):
I think it's like that that ties into Selena's whole
arc in the movie, because she starts out with a
similar mindset. Yeah, where you know, she's become very cynical,
and she probably had to in order to survive, you know,
she became hardened. But you find out that when you
have a certain worldview, you're gonna find a pile of
evidence to support it because you're not seeing and not
looking for the other side of it, you know, until

(41:37):
she met Frank and Hannah and she sees it's all
to be honest, it's like pretty on the nose, like
it's all kind of spelled out. She's like, I thought
there was no reason to live, but now I see
them together. They're fine because they have each other. I mean, honestly,
it works like I feel like in this context where
you've created a you know, basically a quarantined to apocalypse,
you turn the temperature up on everything. People are gonna

(41:57):
have conversations that they wouldn't have in the real world,
she might say her feelings, even if it comes off
as a little bit like she is kind of spelling
out the theme in the subtext. But I feel like
it works.

Speaker 2 (42:07):
Yeah, real quick. It's interesting that it doesn't transfer to
animals at all, I guess except chimpanzees. How many chimpanzees
are in Uh let me see.

Speaker 3 (42:19):
You know, I think some I feel like a lot
of these decisions are probably budgetary decisions, Like it would
be tough to have a bunch of we have to
now have a bunch of zombie fide horses and squirrels
running running around Like. The other thing is just like
really no bodies on the streets, And if you listen
to them, they'll kind of sell that as like part
of the surrealism. Like it just feels spookier and weird. Yeah,

(42:40):
you see totally empty streets. Not exactly realistic.

Speaker 2 (42:43):
Yeah, that was wors hold on, there's oh god, I
skipped too far ahead. Hold on, there's uh, we don't
see a lot of this. There would be more dead bodies,
like not everyone would become infected. Uh, some of them
are going to die and the process. Uh hold on,
let me see here do we have a number.

Speaker 3 (43:05):
And even the core decision of having him wake up.
You know, it's been twenty eight days, Like to show
the breakout and show the downfall society would probably cost
a lot of money and it ends up working out
really well, Like it's such an interesting decision to start
twenty eight days in guy wakes up from a coma,
so he's in the same boat as we are. It's
all new to us. But yeah, I don't know if

(43:25):
that was fully an artistic decision.

Speaker 2 (43:28):
Well listen, listen. I couldn't find out how many chimpanzees
were in England in two thousand and two.

Speaker 3 (43:33):
I forgot what you were working on over Yeah.

Speaker 2 (43:34):
But as of right now, there are more than three
hundred great apes in the UK zoos in total. Now
it just says great apes specifically, the Chester Zoo has
twenty six chimpanzees. Oh yeah, no, all right, so there's
a bunch of chimpanzees and zoos. Technically, if a rage
infected person wouldn't break into a zoo, what it attacker
chifanzee is that close enough to humanity? And when we

(43:57):
get zombie chimpanzees.

Speaker 3 (43:59):
Are we going to get like a planet of the apes?
By way.

Speaker 2 (44:02):
Yeah, eight days later with the range ships, that'd be awesome. Yeah,
because they never show like usually with zombie stuff, it
doesn't transfer to animals really without like like Resident Evil,
they're doing it on purpose and shit. Uh see that
would have been cool to actually see. At first, I
thought like, is the crow infected by the virus? I'm like,

(44:23):
I don't think so. I think I'm he was picking
at a dead body, right, he was picking out a
dead body. But I think that's just like what they do.
But in my mind I misremembered until I watched it.
I was like, I remember the crow's infected, Like now
I'm just thinking a Resident Evil and I'm mixing him. Yeah.
So uh. The movie ends with them getting away and

(44:43):
twenty eight days later Jim wakes up again. Uh, and
they're looking for uh, they're trying to get the attention
of a jet And I like that we see that
the outbreak stop because eventually they stopped turning people into
infected because they all got too sick and tired, and
they weren't eating because they were so full of rage,
and they all just starved to death and they got

(45:04):
like the thinnest people in the world. To sit there
and just like gasp for air, And I'm like, that
is actually a kind of cool way because they aren't
technically still alive. They're infected with range and their whole
bodies been taken over by the spires, but they're still
like a living, breathing thing that needs sustenance. So that
was kind of a cool way to end your apocalypse.
It's like, oh, they killed too many people and now

(45:27):
they aren't eating, so of course, after like a month
or so, most of them are going to die out.

Speaker 3 (45:33):
That's one of those images seered into my brain. Is
that super emaciated guy just like on his side. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (45:39):
Yeah, Now this movie had multiple endings. There's a it
was gonna end differently where after they crashed through the gate,
I was gonna cut to Selena and what's her face
trying to revive Gym, doing whatever they could to bring
them back, and it just doesn't work. He ends up dying,
and then they end up trying to call the jet

(46:00):
on their own with their big Hello sign. I do
like that because he's constantly saying Hello throughout the whole film, Hello, Hello, Hello,
So to end on Hello is pretty funny.

Speaker 3 (46:12):
Now, and it lets you do the thing where for
a second it just says hell.

Speaker 2 (46:17):
Yeah, yeah, Now this movie was gonna have a totally
different third act. Do you know about this right?

Speaker 3 (46:24):
Yeah? I remember seeing this like when I first started
buying DVDs. This was one of the first extras I watched.

Speaker 2 (46:31):
Yeah, it includes three killer alternate endings, although the one
alternate ending is just the prologue to the previous alternate
ending that will haunt you for days.

Speaker 3 (46:44):
That's not even that impressive. Haunt you for days.

Speaker 2 (46:49):
By the way, speaking of DVD, the back of this
freaking thing, I had the full screen version. It doesn't
tell you, like anything about the movie. It just goes
hell does the most frightening films since The Exorcist. Acclaimed
director Danny Boyle's groundbreaking take on zombie horror isn't just scary,
it's absolutely terrifying. No plots andnopsis or anything. It's just

(47:11):
telling you the movie is good, and fuck the Exorcists,
really good.

Speaker 3 (47:15):
Trust us, it's really good. Hay, you know what.

Speaker 2 (47:17):
Moving from the seventies, fuck that, this movie's better. It's
like a lot of horror movies were made after The Exorcists,
right going after that one.

Speaker 3 (47:24):
One girl projectile vomiting how about everyone projectile vomiting blood?

Speaker 2 (47:30):
So I watched I rewatched this again today and it's
got a narration from like Danny Boyle, I think. And
they were playing with an idea to have like a
smaller scale third act. I guess maybe they thought maybe
the ending they had with the military and everything might
have been too expensive, so they started playing with the idea,
like how about we change this. So what was going

(47:50):
to happen was they were gonna get there, Frank was
gonna get infected. Instead of killing him, they would knock
him out and tie him up. Uh. Then that barricade,
instead of being a barricade to where the soldiers live,
it was gonna be to a lab, and they were
gonna walk around the lab. And then we're gonna find
the last surviving guy who works there, barricaded in by himself,

(48:10):
and they try to communicate with him, and he lets
them know the only way they can really say Frank
is if they dream all of his blood and pump
new blood in in a very specific way that's very convoluted.

Speaker 3 (48:23):
A full blood transfusion. There cannot be one drop of
infected blood left in his body.

Speaker 2 (48:30):
I don't think that's possible really, right, because the heart
like pumps it to all the difference stuff. I feel
like that's really impossible to do. I don't know, let
us know, or any of you scientists let me know.
So yeah, by the way, this reminds me of I
really like the vampire movie Near Dark. Have you ever
seen Your Dark? By Katherine? It was one it's a

(48:53):
cult film now, but it was directed by Catherine Bigelow,
who did like The hurt Locker, a very early movie
of hers, funny enough ex wife of James Cameron. A
bunch of the cast of Aliens is in it. You
have to Lance Erickson, Bill Paxon is up really good,
underrated vampire movie. But at the end they come up
with this fucking blood transfusion thing, and I think, if

(49:15):
I remember right, even she wasn't thrilled with it to
cure the guy of his vampiism, and the movie kind
of loses me there. So yeah, they told him, like,
you have to do a complete blood transfusion. So then
Jim decides he's gonna give all his blood to f
I guess because they want to see if it will work,
because maybe it'll help the world. I mean, I guess
you'd have to.

Speaker 3 (49:35):
She'd still just be like it almost is like you'd
have to start trading live so to get that much.

Speaker 2 (49:40):
More well, well, okay, not as cynical. My idea is
like you could go to a blood bank and make
this work. You don't have to drain a person. If
you know what the cure is and you have enough
blood as a stockpile, you could probably But if you want.

Speaker 3 (49:55):
To, you could drain a person. It's an option.

Speaker 2 (49:57):
But it was gonna work. Frank was gonna come back
to life, and they were gonna cut to Gym on
the table. But then all it was gonna be the
same room that the chimp from the beginning was in,
and they said, like there was gonna be this ominous
thing where all the TVs would turn on and you
would they would be all the rage stuff because remember
they had like the chimp plugged into stuff watching like
horrible violent shit. I guess the manufacture of the range,

(50:21):
I don't know. They never really get into how it
was made, but yeah, that would have been one of
the endings. I do like this idea of the last
shot being similar to the first shot in the movie.

Speaker 3 (50:30):
That would definitely be like a memorable book end for sure.

Speaker 2 (50:33):
Yes, but this is lame. I don't like this. I
don't like this. I like that Jim survives at the end. Uh,
But I think the I think the way they went
was better. I know people have this idea that like
the deleted ending or deleted scenes are like the better
version of something. It's like, yeah, there's a lot of
movies that were screwed over and editing and changed, but

(50:54):
that's not always the case. Sometimes whatever they landed on
is the thing they should have went with, and this
is an example of that.

Speaker 3 (51:01):
Yeah. And like, if I recall correctly, in the voiceover
when he's explaining all this at the end, he says
why they didn't do this, and it's exactly what we
were saying, where he's like, we realize there's no way
we could sell the idea that they get literally every
drop of blood out of his body. And I think
it is a more exciting ending that they went with. Yeah,
and it still gives you a sort of a more

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interesting and like thematically resonant bookend, the idea of Jim,
you know, quote unquote becoming the infected and then that
great line where he's like that was longer than a heartbeat.
It just it lands so well. You can definitely sense
in the movie there's like a degree of we don't
know how to end it because when they crash to
the gate and it freeze frames, it almost feels like

(51:44):
a placeholder we need to think of an ending. Yeah,
I feel like they didn't want to go with a
full on happy ending, so they kind of went with
a happy, ish and weird ending where Okay, they're alive,
but it still has that dreamlike surreal feeling like I
mentioned before or before as Jim is waking up, there's
a shot that's like upside down where it just says

(52:05):
hell and you're like, what the heck is going on?
So it's okay, everybody lives, you know, except for Frank.
But the jet isn't stopping for them, so it's a
healthy issued.

Speaker 2 (52:14):
Honestly, the jet couldn't stop. It's not there's no runway there, right,
I mean obviously they want the jet to call like
a boat or something to bring them up. Well, do
you think the jet was gonna land and like have
them hop in?

Speaker 3 (52:26):
Just slow down, do it by and just jump on.
How jets work I've seen people do it. I think
I saw I think Steve Rodgers did that. One of
the Captains Americas.

Speaker 2 (52:35):
Oh yeah, yeah, sorry, Captain America. Yeah see. I really
like twenty eight Days Later. Like I said, I didn't
like it when I was younger, really grown to appreciate it, really,
really really enjoy it. I'm glad I held onto my
DVD all these years because right before twenty eight years later,
everyone was like, there's nowhere to watch it.

Speaker 3 (52:53):
I can't do bad marketing. You know, there's gonna be
a surge of interest in these movies, and then it's
it's like, once everybody's asking for it, they're like, all right,
I guess maybe we should put that out there. Maybe
we should release these movies so dumb.

Speaker 2 (53:07):
There were legal shenanigans around this, which I guess we
could probably touch on at some point, but uh, we
got to get to the next movie on the list,
which was twenty eight weeks later. Let me let me
bring up the synopsis here. Hold on, okay, let me
move it over here. All right.

Speaker 3 (53:26):
I mean, they don't even bother to put a synopsis
on the DVD. Why do we need to, Well, this
one's eight days later.

Speaker 2 (53:33):
This is a screen grab, but let me let me
check the actual one. Does this okay? Yeah? Yeah, this
one actually does have a synopsis. Okay, thank god, thank god? Okay.
Uh does this match? Yeah? Matches it. The Terror and Devastation,
released in twenty eight days later, picks up six months

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after the rage virus has decimated London in his heart
stopping fescimated.

Speaker 3 (54:02):
Oh it reduced the population by ten Okay, yes, that's decimate.

Speaker 2 (54:11):
Uh. This heart stopping sequel that surpasses the original, with
Order Restored and the War against the infected one, the
US Army steps in. They always fix things. If there's
a country in trouble, send the US Army in fixed
like that? Uh, the Order restore, the War against the

(54:31):
infection one of the US Army steps in to help
repatriate mainland Britain. Why wouldn't we just claim it for ourselves? Like,
think about it realistically, Why wouldn't we no government or anything,
I mean us, who would stop us? They should have
been we should have just taken it for I think
that was the long con Like, what's it for doing everything?

(54:52):
I guess you'll be the fifty first state. I think
we're all cool with the.

Speaker 3 (54:55):
Yeah, if that was a plot threat in this movie,
I think it might be a very different conversation today.
Think we remember twenty eight weeks later, what a weird
the political messaging. I'm not really sure how to read,
you know what.

Speaker 2 (55:06):
I think that's the underlying thing. I think America. I
think America volunteer just so they can have it later.
We'll do it, we'll do it. We got this, we'll
do it, we'll do we got this one, we got
this all the other country like we live a lot closer.
Don't worry about it. It's fine. So yeah, uh repatriot
Mainland Britain. But one of the returning refugees, oh interest

(55:29):
help was in the movie. One of the returning refugees
U missed my spot carries a terrible secret that threatens
to reignite the deadly explosion of bloodlust, carnage, and ka
with riveting d D extras and intense footage not seen

(55:50):
in theaters. Twenty eight weeks later, ratchets up the thrills.
Hold on for a hell of a ride, Roland.

Speaker 3 (55:56):
They need to, you know, they used to do it
in a world and they don't really do that anymore.
Should be doing those voiceovers I should yeah, us, and
then you're not gonna believe whatever.

Speaker 2 (56:08):
This movie is awesome. This movie is awesome, is it?

Speaker 3 (56:11):
I didn't know that that's cool?

Speaker 2 (56:13):
Yeah. No, this movie is awesome. But it is kind
of it feels a little safe because they're like, hey,
you know how that last movie didn't show the zombie
outbreak like other movies do. What if we did what
other movies did? And it's like, oh, okay, that was
kind of the thing that made the last one stand out,
But all right, uh no, I really really enjoy this

(56:35):
one because it also is like mans Hubers. They're like, yeah,
we'll just go in, we'll fix it all up. And
the one girl's like, I think it's too early for
us to be doing any of this. Rose Brinn's character,
she's like, no, no, no, no, we should have been
doing this. It's too early to bring people in.

Speaker 3 (56:51):
Could we not?

Speaker 2 (56:52):
Can we figured? Can we get this lockdown? Because they
haven't like fully cleared out?

Speaker 3 (56:57):
Because yourself? But he makes a very compelling argument, what
are you worried about? Well, the virus might come back,
it won't. Okay, all right, cool, all right, let's move
on there.

Speaker 2 (57:07):
You don't know, like new people were probably getting well.
We learn in the last one that they didn't do
a good job at clearing out the country because people
have been there since the initial outbreak. I guess they
started in London, like, yeah, we'll get to the rest
of it at some points. Well, if someone migrates down,
you assholes, he really got to think about this. So yeah,

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they try to repopulate everything.

Speaker 4 (57:31):
Uh.

Speaker 2 (57:32):
This one guy who survives at the beginning, he's like
a higher up there.

Speaker 3 (57:37):
I guess they call him like a caretaker basically. Yes,
so he has access to the entire facility because.

Speaker 2 (57:44):
He's a local there. He survived, he wasn't infected.

Speaker 1 (57:47):
Uh.

Speaker 2 (57:47):
We see him in the beginning. I want to say
he's pulling a Tony and just leaving his wife behind,
but that's not quite a tony because he actually hesitated
and thought about it. I would have even caught up
the stairs. As soon as this outer is out the
door and I'm gone, I was like, yep, they she died.
Nothing that I could do to stop.

Speaker 3 (58:07):
Yeah, you know. Rewatching the movie again for this, I
always in my mind remembered it like the choice was obvious,
like there really was no option to help that kid,
because that was the dilemma there. Him and his wife
are running, she sees the kids, She's like, let's go
back and help him, And in my mind, going back
to help him was absolute death. There was no question.
Watching it again, they do have a few seconds before

(58:30):
the zombie breaks in, so if there was zero hesitation,
they might have been able to grab that kid and leave,
which I think is interesting. If there is at least
some doubt that, you know, it's easy to kind of
not judge him and say, well, what was he supposed
to do?

Speaker 2 (58:43):
Yeah, yeah, now I'm on his side. Uh, But I
do like that he's like lying to the kids about
it a little bit, right, a little bit.

Speaker 3 (58:51):
And I think the movie obviously judges him, Like there's
a few characters who sacrifice themselves in heroic ways, and
the movie starts with him choosing not to sacrifice himself,
and the movie clearly hates him for it and gives
him the worst ending possible. I know, really, but I think, like, okay,
if you can give him some leeway for that initial decision.

(59:11):
Where I think the movie starts to judge him more
harshly is when he lies to the kids and never
really confronts his guilt. He just sort of tries to
lie to himself and say, no, I definitely sorry die,
And I tried to save her, but I couldn't.

Speaker 2 (59:24):
I mean, like, I mean, he's got a point. It's like, well,
the effect it all piled on to her and she
went up below the window. I just assumed she died.
There's no way for me to go back and check
without dying myself.

Speaker 3 (59:36):
Oh yeah, Arguably if he had stayed with her, Yeah,
he probably would have got bit and then he probably
would have killed her. Yeah, so like it's actually in
him running might have even lured some of the monsters away. Yeah,
and so this might have been the best possible outcome.

Speaker 2 (59:53):
Yeah. For whatever reason, they give him access to everything.
They're bringing in new piece people to repopulate, and two
of the people are his children, one of them played
by Imaging Gay Poots. She doesn't go. She dropped the
middle name in recent years, but back then she was
Imaging Gay Poots, who we all know from the terrible

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twenty nineteen Black Christmas remake that Johanna and Crystal famously hate.
Uh don't watch that episode though, it's still boys month. Yeah.
So that's his kids. They're there. His son has two
different colored eyes. That's like a plot point. So I
like this. So they go to find their to their

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childhood home to sneak around the zombie land and I'm like,
that's a that's the worst idea ever. Why would you
do that? It's a horrible idea. But they do that
because they're any.

Speaker 3 (01:00:44):
Because they wanted to grab a picture of their mom.
They wanted to run back to their old house and
grab a photo because the kid was afraid, who's gonna
forget what she looks like?

Speaker 2 (01:00:54):
No, wait till it's cleared out and rebuilt and someone
will bring you a photo. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:01:00):
So what were they doing?

Speaker 2 (01:01:01):
Were they just visiting France or something without their parents?

Speaker 3 (01:01:05):
There was something at the beginning. There's a line that
was like, oh, a good thing we were able to
afford that school trip.

Speaker 2 (01:01:11):
Oh yeah, okay, okay, Yeah. So they find their mother,
who's not a zombie lady. I mean, she's obviously crazy
because she spent six weeks by herself.

Speaker 3 (01:01:23):
Yeah, and she's surrounded by like rotting food and clearly
was not in her right mind. Clearly.

Speaker 2 (01:01:30):
Yeah. But they learn that she has a weird genetic mutation,
like a natural natural immunity to this virus, which some
people have. Some people could just be naturally immune to things.
But she's still a carrier of the virus. And right
then and there, I'd be like, oh, killer or put

(01:01:52):
a hundred guards.

Speaker 3 (01:01:54):
Yeah, that's to me is part of why I like
this movie. I do think it's an enjoyable thriller. It
doesn't it doesn't rise above that the way twenty eight
days Later does.

Speaker 2 (01:02:04):
I will say it is fun trying to figure out
how it's gonna because you know it's coming and you're
just like, how is it gonna start again? And you're
just waiting for the dumbest decisions to be made to
get it out there. And yeah, so this guy who
as soon as they found out it was his wife,
they should have been like, remove his access, don't even

(01:02:24):
have you know what, just be safe, kill him, even
if you can.

Speaker 3 (01:02:27):
Say, okay, they didn't know she was infected, they hadn't
proven it yet. But she saw that she had the
hemorrhaging in her eye, yeah, and she saw bite marks yeah.
And then she went to go test to see if
she's really infected. But while you have that question, in
your mind, you leave her entirely unguarded. Yeah, and like, okay, yeah,

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she's behind a locked door. Her husband has an all
access passed to the entire facility.

Speaker 2 (01:02:53):
Right away, right away, disable his access, put him in
jail because you know he's gonna do something stupid, And
of course he does. He goes there and he kisses
her and he gets the freaking rage right and then
he gouges her eyes out too much eye gouging, come on.

Speaker 3 (01:03:09):
Which, if you listen to the director comment arry, what
they were saying there is that he feels so guilty
over what he did that he can't look her in
the eyes. So even as a rage infected person, that
was still there and that's why he went for the eyes.
It also works as a callback to Jim when he
gouged out that guy.

Speaker 2 (01:03:27):
Yeah, there's a lot of eye gouging in these not
big fan of those. So the zombie outbreaks starts again.
I think Roseburn is just like, this is exactly what
I thought was gonna happen, and no one listens now,
Rose And I think this is like my first exposure
to Jeremy Renner. Really, this is like his first standout
role for me. I know he was for me too. Yeah,

(01:03:48):
he was in stuff before. When was that Jeffrey Dahmer
movie Hold on Jeremy.

Speaker 3 (01:03:53):
But we should, we should say, because I don't think
we really put a stamp on this. But that opening
sequence is a great opening.

Speaker 2 (01:03:59):
Running Oh it's great. I love it.

Speaker 3 (01:04:02):
I'll never forget. Like when he's running and the camera's
on him, but he's at the edge of the screen
so you can't see what's behind him. It starts spinning around, yeah,
and then reveals to hord to zombies behind him, and
then cut to them coming over the hill. So he's
completely screwed. So tense, and I think not a coincidence
that Danny Boyle directed. I think one scene in the movie.
It wasn't that entire sequence. I think it was specifically

(01:04:24):
when the elderly couple are trying to hold out the
zombies from the bar. He directed that scene there, But
it didn't surprise me. That's the part where he was involved,
because it's definitely the best part of the movie.

Speaker 2 (01:04:34):
Well, you forgot to mention this is directed by lan
Carlos fres I think THEO Why didn't I I looked
this up like a month or two ago, and I forgot.
Why didn't Danny Boyle come back to direct this one?

Speaker 3 (01:04:48):
Yeah, I forget At one point I knew. I don't
know if it was because he was too busy or
it was like, we just did that movie, so I
don't want to do it again. And Alex Garland, who
wrote the first one, also did not write this one.
He was involved looking a consulting role.

Speaker 2 (01:05:01):
Yeah. Well this director has since gone on to do
that Millie Bobby Brown movie we reviewed last year, dan
Will where she fights the dragon. Uh okay.

Speaker 4 (01:05:10):
Uh.

Speaker 2 (01:05:11):
Jeremy Renner, Uh yeah, I'm looking before this. I'm not
seeing like the Dahmer movie. He's not in much a
National Lampoon's Senior Trip that was his first movie. But
I found a weird connection.

Speaker 3 (01:05:29):
Uh.

Speaker 2 (01:05:30):
Jeremy Renner was in one episode of a TV show
that was based off a film. Do you know what
the show was? No, it was the TV version of
The Net starring Sandra Bullock, but a different girl played
her in the TV version. And that's in case you
guys are watching this, I just want you all to
know we still haven't circled back to Gwen's recovery in

(01:05:53):
the first film. We don't know how rehab is going.
I'm hoping at some point later in the sequels we
make sure that's de Boushemi still alive. Maybe she got
together with Digo Mortenson. These are things they're saving for
later entries. But unfortunately the sequels right now, I have
not gone back to that first initial film. I really
hope Alan Tudic is doing well in this universe and

(01:06:13):
he didn't turn into a way.

Speaker 3 (01:06:14):
Yeah, that's what these movies are missing right now, that's
what they are.

Speaker 2 (01:06:17):
That's the that's the question.

Speaker 3 (01:06:19):
The Little Secret sauce, Little Secret saw.

Speaker 2 (01:06:21):
Everyone's listen. When the third twenty eight years later movie
comes out, I think that's when Sandra Bullock will come back.
What are they do it? It's just like a joke.
What they just like, it's an American Now She's like,
I finally after thirty years, got over my addiction. Ah.

Speaker 3 (01:06:38):
I just think Danny Boyle and Alex Crawling would look
at him be like, we don't get the joke. I
don't think there's the same sense of humorous.

Speaker 2 (01:06:49):
So yeah, I do like the idea because then we
find out that the sun is the same way because
it had the same genetic mutation as his mother. So
I like that there is a universe where you could
get infected. You can carry it, but you won't get
the results of the affection. However, the infectant won't like
fuck with you because that mom she was surrounded by.

Speaker 3 (01:07:10):
See I'm not sure because the first thing Don does
when he turns is attack his wife. Is it because
he had Yeah, because I had the same thought. It's like, honestly,
when when she lets him kiss her, it's a it's
a really weird scene. We never really fully wrap our
minds around, like where her head's at because she is
looking at him with almost no emotion on her face

(01:07:32):
and she says like I love you, Don, And I'm like,
is she trying to like trick him into kissing her
because she's still mad at him and wants to infect him?
But then that doesn't make sense because he immediately attacks her.

Speaker 2 (01:07:43):
Well why didn't no one else attack her or kill her? Y?

Speaker 3 (01:07:47):
Yeah, it's it's it's a weird one. I don't know.
It could be that, like it's the thing the director
was saying where he had personal animosity.

Speaker 2 (01:07:55):
Towards Maybe it is a thing where whatever her verse
should have the viruses worked a little slower, so maybe
it was he hadn't like fully turned yet, but he
was thinking about his guilt, so he took his rage
out on her. Well, if it was anyone else, would
he have done that? Would he have been? Like?

Speaker 3 (01:08:12):
Right, that's the question, Like if it was just if
he was.

Speaker 2 (01:08:14):
In there with another because we see afterwards he's with
all the other infected it's fine. So I think maybe
it was like him being in the in between stages
and having a personal connection. I don't think that would
have worked for anyone else in there. If like rose
Byrne had made out with her for whatever reason, he
was unethical. I don't think she would have liked killed.
She'd be like, that's just another infected person. But yeah,

(01:08:37):
she because she would have died by then. I don't
think she would have made it back to London from
wherever they were.

Speaker 3 (01:08:43):
It's weird. It's it's sort of frustrating because I find
I think him and his wife is the most they're
the most interesting characters in the movie, and them getting
reunited is fascinating. It's like, what's that going to do? Dramatically?
And it's over in a second, like literally as soon
as she gets back, she has like two maybe three
lines of dialogue and then they're both dead. And on

(01:09:05):
the one hand, like, that's surprising. I didn't see that
coming because you think this is so interesting, they're not
gonna just take it out of the movie. But anytime
you do that, you've got to replace it with something else.
And really, what we got for the second half, what
I feel like, is essentially an extended chase sequence. Yeah,
getting the kids out, some good stuff, Like there's uh,
Jeremy Renner. You know, I don't have it in me
to shoot a kid in the head once the order

(01:09:27):
is given to just indiscriminately start shooting people. Like that's
a little bit interesting, but there there really are. I
find no characters to sink your teeth into, no pun
intended for the rest of the movie.

Speaker 2 (01:09:38):
Yeah, he wasn't the right guy for that job. You
should have gone to that job, and like I might
have to do. Although it could be that you ever
watched that, watch that comedy the menu sah goats about uh.

Speaker 3 (01:09:50):
Uh not I remember it.

Speaker 2 (01:09:51):
I never saw it Vietnam, like when they were experimenting
on Vietnam, trying to do like psychic soldiers stuff. There's
a really cool moment. Apparently it's like based in reality.
It's actually one of the reasons that people think like
we were uniforms of war. It's like there's a moment
early on where he's telling the soldiers to shoot at
like the Vietcong, and they're all missing on purpose because
it's like, ohh He's like, I notice all my soldiers

(01:10:12):
were missing on purpose because they didn't want to kill
someone because they weren't wearing like uniforms or they were
dressed like you know, farmers and stuff. So it was
like a little hard to disassociate. So yeah, I could
see that being like a problem for this where like
the zombie breaks out and they're like, I don't know,
I feel bad, Like just like that's a person there,
your gun. Just fire your gun and per miss on purpose. Relax.

(01:10:33):
But yeah, so it gets out and intertell, but it
just looks annoyed. Intertell but survives, right, He never gets
killed or anything, doesn't.

Speaker 3 (01:10:39):
He kind of like disappear at a certain point, like
you just I sort of lose track of him. Man,
I don't remember.

Speaker 2 (01:10:44):
I feel like wherever he is is like secured enough,
I guess.

Speaker 3 (01:10:47):
Yeah, So I imagine fire bombed the city and then they.

Speaker 2 (01:10:51):
Fire bombed the city yeh, which was awesome. It just
like goes through all the streets and everything.

Speaker 3 (01:10:56):
Uh.

Speaker 2 (01:10:57):
So we see that they had it like kind of lockdown,
but some get out. Uh, some people get out and
we get that amazing helicopter moment. That's what sold them.
Let me let me click back to that when that
one idiot, like so they had the guy from Lost,
He's just like, I'm not bringing everyone, which Jeremy Renner
really did fuck up. Like it's like, dude, you're trying

(01:11:19):
to fit three extra people into it. You didn't give
him any heads up, like say no, Yeah. Then he
has to fly away because a bunch of zombies didn't
manage to break out of the city. And I love
the one guy jumps on the freaking thing. It just
comes chops them all up. That is the standout scene
of the movie for me, just him just mowing everyone down.

Speaker 3 (01:11:42):
Yeah, that's like the fantasy when you start thinking about
how would I kill a bunch of zombies and helicopter
played and just plow through him.

Speaker 2 (01:11:52):
You know, that seems awesome. So Jeremy Renner originally wasn't
gonna die. In the original version of this, he was
gonna Rose was gonna die. Whatever her name is, it's
Roseburn and Jeremy Renner. I don't know. I don't care
what their real names are. But then they thought there'd
be more tension if like the trained military guy is
the one who dies, and then they're like just with

(01:12:13):
I mean, she is like a military girl, but she's
not like really meant for like combat, and.

Speaker 3 (01:12:17):
She does like medical science stuff.

Speaker 2 (01:12:20):
Yes, yes, I mean I guess she could maybe handled,
but he was definitely way.

Speaker 3 (01:12:24):
She couldn't because she died in the next time.

Speaker 2 (01:12:26):
She did in her defense, she's underground in the dark
using a tiny night vision thing. I don't know if
Jeremy Renner would have done much better, but I.

Speaker 3 (01:12:37):
Should have tried the Sean of the Dead approach where
you pretend to be one of them, just start shaking
like crazy and yelling at no.

Speaker 2 (01:12:43):
I think it's I think they can sense it in
your blood, so if you're not one of them, they're like, nop,
not falling for this U. But yeah, so she dies
and I like that. The final zombie they have to
interact with is their dad, so they sound like.

Speaker 3 (01:12:57):
An emotional level. But that that's part of what makes
this feel like typical Hollywood. Like that is such a
like if the first movie was trying to feel somewhat grounded,
you know, finding somebody who has the infection but is
immune and coincidentally it's like the only two kids who
have been allowed back, it's their mom who's immune. Coincidentally,
her husband is full access pass to the facility, and

(01:13:20):
then here he's the one they run into. Like it's
a nice moment, but it definitely is. It's part of
what makes this a little bit less grounded than the
first one.

Speaker 2 (01:13:28):
Yeah, which I guess when I was younger. That's why
I like this one more because it just felt a
little bit more standard to me and more action heavy.
But you're right, when you watch it back to back,
it's just like, eh, you're like that first one had
a little bit more going for it.

Speaker 3 (01:13:41):
It was.

Speaker 2 (01:13:41):
Yeah, it's being more experimental. But this ends on a
hell of a cliffhanger. Mm hmmm, because we see they
get away. Uh, then we see the hell because we
know something's gonna happen with the kid because he's now
been bit hold on, what the hell is on me?

Speaker 3 (01:13:57):
Oh no, he's infected.

Speaker 2 (01:14:00):
A sticker got onto my pants or something. I just
felt like a sticker on me, Like what the fuck
is that? Where did that come from? So we know
the kids infected, but he has that weird immunity where
he doesn't get the rage stuff, so we never learn
what happens. But it ends with the helicopter crashed in
France and they apparently like this is like a late
addition to the movie. They apparently like shot this like

(01:14:21):
gorilla style, just them running up to the Eiffel Tower.
So we see that the virus has made it to
mainland Europe, you know, the what you call it. The
High Table didn't have a meeting about duels that day
because that's where it is in john Wick for thank God.
They're like, yes and our jewel hold up, there's something

(01:14:45):
uh And it left you on a cliffhanger.

Speaker 3 (01:14:48):
Yeah, a lot of questions too, because it's like, what
happened to the kids?

Speaker 2 (01:14:52):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (01:14:53):
Did they die? Did they did that little boy? Was
he walking around and had his first kiss? And then
turn it down to the zombie and then.

Speaker 2 (01:15:03):
Well it looks like the helicopter crash was like was
there an accident? And then his blood got everything gave.

Speaker 3 (01:15:10):
Then, Yeah, you could think of ways, yeah, you.

Speaker 2 (01:15:12):
Think of ways. Yeah. But yeah, so everyone's like, well
they got to do months next, and we had to
wait a while, Gil, We had to wait all the
way till twoenty twelve, for twenty eight months after a
lot of luckily you know, as you as we said that,
like the first two weren't on streaming and people were

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having trouble catching up, right. Thankfully before twenty eight years
later came out. This popped up for free on Amazon Prime.
And because I had not seen this one, Gil, I
missed that it came out.

Speaker 3 (01:15:46):
Yeah, it's nice to see a company do something competent
for once.

Speaker 2 (01:15:49):
Yes, yes, yes, and that company is Wild Eye Releasing. Now. Interesting,
it wasn't f I think Fox distributed the first two, right, yeah,
I think Century Fox. There was a bunch of like
legal issues right with this franchise, and that's why I
kind of sat for a while. Yeah, I guess one
of the things in between. Instead of Fox, they went

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to Wild Eye Releasing.

Speaker 5 (01:16:12):
Gil.

Speaker 2 (01:16:13):
That probably sounds familiar to you. You probably recognize some of
their films like cat Nato. I know what you did
in English class, Mummy Shark, Day of the Wicket, Space Sharks,
Once upon a Time in Amityville, Jurassic Exorcist, and Shark
Exorcist too on Holy Waters.

Speaker 3 (01:16:27):
Yeah, I don't even know why you're listening them all.

Speaker 5 (01:16:29):
Like I know, I know, all yes, yes, yes, are
classics U but yeah, the so they release a lot
of these kind of lower budget movies, So this one
goes back to the lower budget.

Speaker 3 (01:16:42):
Lower budget like twenty eight days later.

Speaker 2 (01:16:44):
Yeah, like twenty eight days later, and I mean skipping head.
I'm actually at the trailer. I want to show everyone
we were talking about how that first one has that
low budget video feel. This goes back to that. I
feel like that was lost in twenty eight weeks later
at twenty eight months after, really brings it back. Now
it's directed by Robert Thompson and starring Brandon Ben's.

Speaker 3 (01:17:03):
Now you might well, Brandon Benz was in this.

Speaker 2 (01:17:06):
Brandon Ben's is in this. Now you might be confused.
This might sound familiar because they both did a zombie
movie called Aftermath, which also came out in twenty twelve,
But obviously this can't be the same movie because it
has the title twenty eight months after. I don't know
why they didn't do later. I don't know why they
changed it. So yeah, I mean, I know people, there's

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a lot of conspiracy people out there, and they're probably
saying things like, oh, what did they slap a new
title on an old movie and then release it for
free to capitalize on the upcoming twenty.

Speaker 3 (01:17:41):
What idiots are saying that Internet people more of them commenters.

Speaker 2 (01:17:45):
Yes, idiots, probably some in the chat right now, but
I wouldn't know because it's not in super chat form.
So yeah, let me let me just show the trailer.
I'm gonna show you guys the trailer for twenty eight
months after and you'll see that this is a completely
independent move from after Math and it totally fits within
the twenty eight days later franchise. Let me bring this

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up here.

Speaker 3 (01:18:09):
What we created is a solution. A wise man once said.

Speaker 4 (01:18:16):
It's not the strongest of species that survived, or the
most intelligence.

Speaker 2 (01:18:21):
There's a very side of you begging to get out
that you tried, didn't even know exist. It's the most
adaptable to make it sometimes, I mean, he just needs
to be thinned out of them. This time, an infection
was creative to be transferred to a bite like venom.

Speaker 3 (01:18:38):
Somebody had in factored zombie Apocalypse into that equation. I
feel like maybe I was bamboozled.

Speaker 2 (01:18:58):
I don't know what you're talking about. I don't know
all the title, all the title. It's here up, bring
it back up, Hold on, hold on, hold on, where
is it? Look? Look at the title that says something.
See twenty eight months after. It's a whole new movie.
It's not whatever this aftermath thing is now. It's interesting. Uh,

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this one takes place in America because you know, at
that point in America had not been infected yet, and
we didn't know how they were going to bring the
virus there. For whatever reason, this one kind of skips
over what's going on in Europe. It turns out a
new scientist has made his own zombie virus. Whatever things

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room for more than one, there's more for room. He
didn't use chimps. He has a pill. It comes in
pill form.

Speaker 3 (01:19:48):
Which you have to appreciate. No animal testing.

Speaker 2 (01:19:51):
Yes, yes, we're more ethical here in America. And he starts.
People always say right, yes, they always say that he starts.
He knew zombie apocalypse, And uh, this one's crazy. I mean,
we have a whole bunch of cast of characters. We
have like a like a fight club. We have a
street fighter who gets bit and it turns out when

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he gets bit, he gets the zombie virus, but he
already had HIV and his HIV is countering the zombie virus,
so he's getting all the cool zombie stuff and he has.

Speaker 3 (01:20:24):
HIV, has every disease the time.

Speaker 2 (01:20:31):
They basically say that he has all the zombie strength
and none of their weakness, and it's I'm sure this
is coincidental. It's a black guy that they give sunglasses
to and he looks like Blade for the rest of
the film. I'm sure that's a coincidence. I'm sure they
didn't do that on purpose. Uh, there's You know, one
of the cool things about these zombie apocalypse films is

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how how society acts and how people lose their morals.
We see a serial killer and his nurse that he corrupts.
Stop me if you heard this before. A killer in
an insane asylum corrupting their doctor and making them going
killing spreeze. That's that's new, you know. I'm not I'm
not joking with you, Gil, I'm not some kind of

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Harlequinn here. That one was not as subtle as.

Speaker 3 (01:21:16):
I feel like you're trying to subtly hint something toward me,
But I'm gonna pretend I get it and not.

Speaker 2 (01:21:21):
We get to we get to see how they interact
with a zombie apocalypse. So what happens when the mad
men are loose amongst the monsters and we get a
little bit of Resident Evil? Here we have like a
big zombie enhanced guy with a chain that doesn't look
like one you use like in your garden or whatever.
It's like a really cool manly chain, and he's got

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a gimp mask. And at some point the doctor gives
himself zombie enhanced powers and he's kind of like Wesker
from Resident Evil. Weird, weird direction to take the franchise, Gill.
I didn't see it going this way. I didn't think
we were gonna go.

Speaker 3 (01:22:00):
We always praised Danny Boyle and Alex Carland and they
are experimental filmmakers and they're always able to straddle that line.
They bring that experimentation, the art house feel to a
mainstream audience.

Speaker 2 (01:22:12):
Yes, and this is very art house. This is very
very art house. There's a lot of cool like editing
decisions they make like when you're in a room with
like four characters, a room that suspiciously looks like a
conference room that you reserve at a hotel, and then
they have like a divider up.

Speaker 3 (01:22:30):
I'm watching I was watching the movie, and I'm like,
I think I'm sitting in the same chair as that
guy is the same one, so.

Speaker 2 (01:22:38):
Yeah, yeah, so much of that scene. And they did
this like, you know how, like the other one was
a little bit dreamlike with the visuals and whatnot, this
one was dreamlike with like the audio, because the character
would be in a room and you would hear his
voice naturally with an echo, and then someone who's standing
directly in front of him at the same distance from
the camera would say something and then they would sound

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like they close to the mic, as if it was
eighty rd after the fact. And they did a cool thing,
you know, like, you know how, like the zombies, they
want to make everyone uniform, you lose your individuality. They
did something cool in the editing where three of the
female characters all sound like the same voice actress, even
though they're three completely different characters. I think that was

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a stylistic choice. That being said, I don't like it
as much as the others. The action. I'm sure you'll
agree with me. The action's just not as intense as
twenty eight days and twenty eight weeks. The biggest disappointment
for me kil in twenty eight months after I was like, okay,

(01:23:40):
we're in America. Now, let's circle back to Gwen's rehab.
Is she rehabilitated? Because we've been spending time in Europe,
we've never circled back. This was the time to do
it kill and they they dropped the ball.

Speaker 3 (01:23:53):
Can somebody get Sandra Bullock look alike and shoot this
movie for Tony? I think he's not going to be
able to rest until he gets resolution to this plot.

Speaker 2 (01:24:01):
Yes, I need some resolution. But yeah, this film it
almost if I had to describe this film, it feels
like maybe at some point people with no budget decided
they wanted to make a web series, and then they
just decided to stitch all the episodes together and make
it a movie. So it feels very disjointed because we

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spend large sections with some characters and then we circle
back to other characters that we haven't seen for forty minutes,
and it's very very jarring. Skip it ahead. This is
not the best one. Gil. I was really let down
with twenty eight months After, where you.

Speaker 3 (01:24:38):
Say based on the three minutes that I watched of it.
I also was not the biggest fan. It looks like
it was filmed over there. I think in the next
twelve hours, if you gave me a camera, I might
be able to do something of higher quality than this.
And that's not me complimenting myself at all. I think

(01:25:00):
Aj Whizzle, wherever you are right now, turning the camera around,
pointed at you, and just come up with something. It
will be better than what I watched last night. I think, Aj.

Speaker 2 (01:25:10):
Whizzle, can you write an article about the cinematography of
twenty eight months after? I would love to read that.
I'd read that on air for you if you wrote
an article about this. But yeah, and I assumed that
most of America and the world didn't care for this
one because we didn't even know it came out in

(01:25:30):
twenty twelve. Although I imagine in twenty twelve everyone was
hype on the Avengers and seeing Spider Man being rebooted,
and they were thrilled to see what I would do
in the dark Knight Rises, So maybe they were just
like you.

Speaker 3 (01:25:41):
Know what.

Speaker 2 (01:25:41):
We're kind of over the zombie thing for a bit.
And another Resident Evil came out in twenty twelve, one
of the really bad ones. What was that retribution?

Speaker 3 (01:25:51):
I never followed that series, so I don't know. I
remember seeing all the commercials, but that's it.

Speaker 2 (01:25:55):
I still don't know what the retribution was in that movie.

Speaker 3 (01:25:58):
I don't understand Kraiger from Weapons. Yeah, Barbarian is doing
the next Resident Evil? How cool is that?

Speaker 2 (01:26:06):
It is cool? I just apparently he's just doing a
different story, not tied to the games, and it's like, okay.

Speaker 3 (01:26:13):
People love when they do that.

Speaker 2 (01:26:15):
The last one really fucked up by trying to combine
one and two. It's like, no, just do one. You
combine two and three. You can't combining Resident Evil one
and two. It's not gonna work. Pick one. Just do
the matgic.

Speaker 3 (01:26:26):
By the way, this is all giving me an idea.
Can we take this stream, sell it to Amazon and
then the poster can be like, in very small letters,
what is the best twenty eight days Later movie?

Speaker 2 (01:26:42):
Gill, are you applying that wild Eye is using manipultive
tactics to get people to watch this movie on Amazon?

Speaker 1 (01:26:49):
Is? Is that?

Speaker 3 (01:26:50):
What you're suggesting, Gil, Yes, I am. I'm not afraid
to say it. I think another you can't muzzle me.

Speaker 2 (01:26:58):
You know, I think another reason this one didn't do it.
I don't think it was advertised. Like if you type
in twenty eight months after in I'MDB, it doesn't even
come up, Gil. For some reason. The director's other movie,
after Math, starring the entire same cast and writers, that
one does come up, but twenty eight months later after
doesn't come up at all. But yeah, this was a letdown.

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This is a letdown. I honestly, it doesn't really fit
in with the other forms. You could skip this one, Gil.
Normally I would be upset that you didn't watch all
of a movie. But that's fine. This is like Halloween three.
You can skip this one and you'll be able to
follow what's going on in Halloween four. You can't skip

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twenty eight days, though, because we're gonna come back. It's
gonna be a full soak the moment at some point
in the future.

Speaker 3 (01:27:47):
I see you've just you've just stopped caring about audience retention.

Speaker 2 (01:27:50):
What are you talking about, ye lose our audience? No,
I'm sure everyone's like, thank you. I didn't know about
this movie. That's very informative, Toad. I don't know where
you're talking. No, I'm looking at it right now. They're
all talking about Resident Evil. So actually that worked. Fuck you, Oh,
I already played the trailer. I didn't know for myself.

Speaker 3 (01:28:09):
You're afraid you were gonna forget to play the trailer.

Speaker 2 (01:28:12):
Look, look, putting clips in.

Speaker 3 (01:28:14):
Is like, I need to get this bit just right.

Speaker 2 (01:28:17):
Putting clips in is new for me. I actually didn't
put any clips from the movies in this, so I
was just gonna do the trailer. But yeah, what was
it the last stream Austin Powers. I just have play
clip play clips, so I wouldn't forget it. So yeah, uh, finally, finally,
Danny Boyle has come back to twenty eight years later.

(01:28:44):
They kind of missed the window on months, but no,
in never mind, they did months. But I mean, I
get shit that I fucked up my bit. Well, yeah,
Danny boy Danny Boyle himself didn't get to do months,
so I'm glad he came back to do year. You
can do weeks or months. He's back for years, and
I think the franchise really needed him back. I mean,

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I would like Betty Thompson to come back, but maybe
for the last one. So twenty eight, twenty eight years later,
is finally out. Came out in June. I watched it
and I freaking loved it, and I'm gonna read you
the synopsis here because I think I have Here we go.
It's been almost three decades since the rage virus escaped

(01:29:29):
a biological weapons laboratory and now still in a ruthlessly
enforced quarantine. Some have found ways to exists. Admitst the
infection in the admit, let me drink some water. Wow.

(01:29:50):
Some have found ways to exist, admits the infected.

Speaker 3 (01:29:55):
I probably that is a weird sentence. I'll give you that.

Speaker 2 (01:29:58):
One such group of survivors lives on a small island
connected to the mainland by a single, heavily defended causeway.
When one of the groups leaves the island on a
mission into the dark heart of the mainland, he discovers secrets, wonders,
and hors that have mutated not only the affected, but

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other survivors as well, such as Chimney.

Speaker 3 (01:30:26):
I can say, great job curating the right images to
go with each of those adjectives.

Speaker 2 (01:30:31):
Yes, I think that worked pretty really well. Yes, that
is twenty eight years later. People really want to know
what I think, and Uh, this movie was awesome.

Speaker 3 (01:30:42):
I'm so glad to hear you say that. Honestly, I
was nervous all day because, like the chatter around you
see most movies, there's a standard safe opinion. You can
take twenty eight days later, great, twenty eight weeks weeks later, fine,
not as good as the original. You can say that,
nobody will get mad at you. This movie's weird. I
walked out of it and I was like, I feel
like I just saw an amazing movie. And then I'm

(01:31:05):
looking around and I'm seeing a lot of uh, why
did they even make that movie? The hell did I
just watch? And I'm like, I don't know what to say.

Speaker 2 (01:31:12):
They definitely got creative with it. They got creative with it.
I am bummed that they gloss over the France thing.
They we see a map that the effect it did
make it to the mainland, I think. And then they
were like it was pushed back right.

Speaker 3 (01:31:31):
It was like you could have just pushed it back
a little more, push it back out.

Speaker 2 (01:31:35):
To But I wanted to be like, how did you
guys do that? And I think Alex Garland said that
like when it showed up in France, they just nuked it.
They're like, we're not taking any fucking chances. Just nuke
the fucking thing.

Speaker 3 (01:31:47):
You know. That would have been cool to include in
one of like the way they I don't know why
this is the example I go to, but in the
Hulk movie, The Incredible Hulk, they gloss over his origin,
but they show it like behind the opening credits. If
they had done that, you see nukefall on Paris. Like
what a ambitious way to open the movie.

Speaker 2 (01:32:04):
They could have, because they show a bunch of footage
from the first two movies in the opening like prologue thing,
because they show the part where they're like sniping all
the people in twenty eight weeks later. But I guess
since they weren't super connected to that one, they kind
of just didn't want to reference too many things other
than the outbreak happened again because they need that. But yeah,

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England has still taken over. People have been there for
twenty eight years. So again, America, we only really got
the London part down. I think we never really got
into like the rural areas, and that's where they all
kind of been surviving the whole time.

Speaker 3 (01:32:40):
We kind of we showed up, we fire bombed the city,
and we lived.

Speaker 2 (01:32:44):
Yeah, so people have just been living there for decades.
It's completely quarantine. No one is allowed to go there.

Speaker 3 (01:32:50):
Yeah. You see France boats like patrolling the quarantine zone
throughout the movie.

Speaker 2 (01:32:55):
Although these people in the village, I think after twenty
eight years, you kind of know that they're not like infected.
A boat could have came up and help them out.
I think, right, I like they're on the ocean. It's like,
let's pick up those guys at least come on. So, Yeah,

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the world has changed. Everyone else doesn't give a shit
about them anymore. We see all the survivors how they
deal with the world. I love that they're all using
bow and arrows because guns are scarce. I love the
whole open in mon'sage where they're showing like their daily
routines and stuff, and they're showing like clips from like
old movies, like old war movies.

Speaker 3 (01:33:34):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:33:34):
I thought that was really, really, really interesting.

Speaker 3 (01:33:36):
The use of like that Boots poem as the father
is taking Spike out for his first hunt, like that
in three minutes. They gave me goosebumps. Like that is
to me entered into the pantheon of great sequences in
film history. And the intercutting it with old war footage
and I think clips from the like nineteen forty four
movie Henry the Fifth, so you get some of like

(01:33:57):
the Night's Fighting. So you see how this like echoes
the past. It's just it's beautiful.

Speaker 2 (01:34:03):
It's hark No, I really really love it. And that poem,
of course, is by rupe Yard Kipling, who I think
all of us know the Jungle Book. He wrote the
original Jungle Book book in eighteen ninety four, and he
also wrote like other books and stuff like Ricky Ticky
Tavvy and The white Man's Burden. Anyway, So yeah, they

(01:34:27):
go to the mainland to like hunt for supplies. Now
remember in twenty eight Days Later, which I almost called
the first one, but that doesn't make sense. Yeah, we
saw that the infect it will just die off because
they don't eat. They're not like they just don't eat.

(01:34:47):
They're full of rage, they don't take care of themselves,
and they eventually will die. We learned that they eventually
got smart. We don't know why they got smart, why
the first batch never got smart.

Speaker 3 (01:35:00):
Well, to be fair, we're seeing a slice of them, right,
we don't know what's going on. We don't see all
of them. And so like the way Alex Garland was
explaining it might have been Danny Boyle, I forget he
was saying, how the rage virus inside you, it's like
a burning inferno. It's always using up energy. So some
of them, their body deals with it by no longer
expending energy. Insteady crawl around on the floor. They become

(01:35:25):
slow loos, which in the original script were called slugs.
And for some of them, the way they deal with
this constant use of energy, the virus becomes like a
steroid and they turn into the alpha. And then I
guess under his leadership, the regular infected that we see
in the original, they're able to feed because he takes
them hunting and everything.

Speaker 2 (01:35:42):
Yes, I do like the slugs the too.

Speaker 3 (01:35:47):
I love that, Like, you know, they found a way
to like evolve the zombies. So the first time they
go out, there's still an element of surprise and it's grotesque.
So they find a way to make this thing we've
seen million times like scary and off putting. It.

Speaker 2 (01:36:02):
Yeah, I think that is like the really cool part
of it being twenty eight years later, you do have
the freedom to be like, well, it's been decades. We
can say that a bunch of shit has happened with
the virus and the zombies, and also what what the
what the fuck was that lab up to? What the
fuck was that virun Like, I'm like, all right, rage zombies,
and it's like now they make you giant men. What

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the fuck?

Speaker 3 (01:36:26):
And you can predator people where you rip their heads off.

Speaker 2 (01:36:29):
Yeah, okay, all right, all right, all right, look the
slug guys. I'm fine with most of the stuff. I'm
fine with. I thought the alphas were a little goofy.
I'm not gonna lie I like the alpha. Well there's
multiple alphas, but the alphas are really goofy.

Speaker 3 (01:36:44):
And I love the uh I know, I'm just kind
of like ignoring me, he said, But like I love
the sound design where you hear like each individual like, yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:36:55):
No, what they're doing is cool. I'm just like, because
they are regular, they are big. They're filmed to look
bigger than they are. But there is there is one
moment where he's standing next to one and it is
like it's a large human, but it doesn't It's not
like a giant, but then other times it's filmed to
look like a giant.

Speaker 3 (01:37:13):
It's the first time you meet him. They're like a
downward sloping hill. Yeah, hold on, I have it the picture.

Speaker 2 (01:37:18):
Yeah, so it makes it seem like he for admitted.
I'm like, how do they get that fucking big? And
I'm like, oh, he was just closer to the camera,
Like they are big, but they're not like fucking.

Speaker 3 (01:37:28):
And they do that like for some reason, like monstrous
thing with your hand. It's not like this, it's like that.
It's so much creepier when your hand is like that.

Speaker 2 (01:37:36):
And I do, like I said, with the whole like
DV video. I love that have this red night vision
that they're using throughout the movie when they shows them
like hunting, so they've realized the other ones realize they
can eat us plugs. I guess they don't. Yeah, I
guess they don't have an alpha that taught them how
to hunt other things. And it's too late for them to.

Speaker 3 (01:37:57):
They're like, well, I don't wanna, I'm just gonna crawl around.

Speaker 2 (01:38:00):
And Alpha shows something, Hey, we can eat deer and
have like good protein. They're like, I spent thirty years
eating bugs, I can't unbloat it. I I can't. I can't.
So does the virus get rid of like other diseases
in them, because I'm like, what do you get like
infections and stuff? But I guess the virus count I.

Speaker 3 (01:38:16):
Guess they just it just overrides all those That's an
interesting question, like can they Yeah, can they get like
cancer and die of just other natural causes?

Speaker 2 (01:38:24):
They clearly have some stuff, but like humans can't like
eat raw meat most of the time. It's you should
be eating raw deer meat all the time, which is
what they're fucking doing. Is that is cool? How they
go into the world and they look for supplies and
this is nice father son story. Uh we learned a
little bit about their family unit. It's like Aaron Taylor

(01:38:46):
Johnson and uh Jody Koomer. Is that's her name, right,
Comer Komer?

Speaker 3 (01:38:53):
Yeah, yeah, I think that's right.

Speaker 2 (01:38:55):
Who. Anytime I see her now, I just want her
to do her voice from the Bike Riders. I just
want her to talk like this all the time, Like
this one would have been so much better. Gil if
she was the only.

Speaker 3 (01:39:06):
Thing that could improve this movie. I can think we
can all agree.

Speaker 2 (01:39:10):
So she uh has like severe like brain damaged, but
they don't have doctors anymore, so they don't know how
to like prescribe it or how to deal with it,
so she has like memory loss and everything.

Speaker 3 (01:39:22):
Yeah, which I think she does such a great job
playing that role, because that could be a very frustrating
thing to watch, where it's just it's just loud and
off putting. But she like finds a way to be
She's still there sometimes and she's sort of like confused
about why she was confused, and it kind of tries
to play it off like she threads this needle. Such

(01:39:43):
a great character.

Speaker 2 (01:39:44):
So Jamie, which is Aaron Taylor Johnson, he brings his
son Spike out into the world to on his like
first scavenger thing, so he's teaching him how to hunt.
They have a couple close calls. Uh, they bump into
an alpha way earlier than they should have, and he
immediately regrets. He's like, oh, we gotta get out of here.
You're not ready for this one.

Speaker 3 (01:40:04):
Which up to this point they've done such a good
job of setting him up as just just badass character.
So the second you see him get worried, oh crap.

Speaker 2 (01:40:13):
Yeah, and we get a There is a prologue in
the beginning that shows you two thousand and two, and
you know it's two thousand and two because the Teletubbies
are on TV. And we meet this little kid named
Jimmy whose family gets attacked by the infect He did
open the door. It is kind of his fault that
all those kids die. And he goes to meet his dad,

(01:40:35):
who is a priest. I guess, so, yeah, or was
that a Catholic priest? Was that a different priest? I
don't know if you know this.

Speaker 3 (01:40:43):
Skill not my area of expertise.

Speaker 2 (01:40:45):
Yeah, skill, I don't know if you know this, but
Catholic priest, as far as I remember, they're not allowed
to marry or have kids. He goes to him for
help because he says dad, He doesn't say father if
he has been saying fine, he's a vicar?

Speaker 3 (01:41:00):
Does that narrow it down? I have the screenplay pulled up.

Speaker 2 (01:41:03):
What is a vicar? Hold on?

Speaker 3 (01:41:04):
Okay? I was hoping you would know.

Speaker 2 (01:41:07):
Vicar meaning, oh, vicar, I spelled it wrong. A priest
acting as a substitute or powish priest. Christian denominations boom
vicar is originally hold on is vicar I'm writing as

(01:41:28):
vicar a Catholic. Are there Catholic vicars? Now I have
to know? And now I have to know are there Catholic?

Speaker 3 (01:41:37):
I'll say, uh. While you're doing that, I'll say picking
up the screenplay, it's a fun exercise to read it
while watching the movie and seeing what they change, Like
that little one I mentioned before. They called them slugs
in the script and then the movie they become slolos.
In the script, there's no Teletubbies. It starts like right
in the action and there's none of the vicar. He's

(01:41:58):
not sitting there going this is judgment, Like that wasn't
in there. He was already turned. Uh. You see some
of the stuff that changes, so they changed it. Yeah,
And then also just some interesting stuff like you see
the line where Jimmy goes, father, why have you forsaken me?
And I'm like that it's such a lame, like over
the top line, But then I see the way he

(01:42:18):
delivers it, I'm like, that actually worked really well. There
were a few things like that where I'm like, that's
a corny line. They probably changed that, and then I
see it in the context of the movie and I'm
like that actually works. He gives you an appreciation of
like the different jobs.

Speaker 2 (01:42:30):
Now, that's also why I like watching the work print
versions of films and seeing what they changed afterwards. I
get the same feeling from that. Yeah, vickers are basically
just priests that are yeah, the he shouldn't have a kid.
And this little Jimmy kid gets away and we see
it sprinkled throughout the film that there's someone named Jimmy

(01:42:50):
out there. Uh never tells you really who he is,
but we see early signs of it. There's graffiti everywhere,
and we see them like they find and infected who's
purposely been tied up by people and left there to
be attacked, and it says Jimmy was here. And I
love that they just sprinkled this little element and they
don't really get to it until very very late in

(01:43:12):
the movie. Well, let's get back to the main plot.
Spike learns that there is a doctor out there. His
dad tells me there's a doctor, but not to go there.
He gets upset because he finds out his dad is
cheating on his mom, I mean whatever. He's very upset

(01:43:32):
by this. So he's like, I know what I'll do.
I'll fake a fire and grab my mom and bring
her into the infected zone so I could go meet
this doctor and they'll fix her head. And it was like,
oh no, that's such a bad idea.

Speaker 3 (01:43:48):
The kind of idea a ten year old or whatever
he is would come up with. Yes, I will say.
The probably the biggest bone I have to pick with
this movie where I kind of roll my eyes is
when Jamie tells Spike the story of doctor Kelson.

Speaker 2 (01:44:02):
I think is his name, Uh, give me a second, yes,
doctor Kelson.

Speaker 3 (01:44:06):
Yeah, I'm just like, that's kind of okay. So this
is the story, is that you saw a doctor burning
a bunch of bodies. Yeah, and then you just ran
and I never looked back for fifteen years, and I
just I find it hard to believe because I'm like,
if I saw a doctor burning bodies in the context
of a big infection, probably the first place my mind
would go is like it has something to do with

(01:44:27):
destroying the infection containing them, and I wouldn't be He's like,
he turns into like a scared little boy where I'm like,
you're armed, You've got people with you. He doesn't appear
to be armed, so like, yeah, I know it, and
I'm like, at minimum, okay, run away for now. Maybe
he's got something you're unaware of. Yeah, he does have
those poisoned darts we learn about, but like in the
next fifteen years, you never send a scout or anything

(01:44:50):
to go check him out, especially you're a village without
a doctor. Doctor would be very helpful. So like, that
is the biggest thing in the movie where I have
to just sort of accept it, and I think to
some extent I can get there because he's been outside.
He's seen bodies carved with the name Jimmy, so he
probably has the idea there are bad people out there,

(01:45:13):
and he's very cagey about it, but he essentially warns
the kid.

Speaker 2 (01:45:16):
I don't know if he knows U Jimmy's but he
does know that there's people out there. He's probably jumped
into some survivors out there who weren't all together or weren't.

Speaker 3 (01:45:24):
All exactly, so I could see why when he comes
upon somebody burning a bunch of bodies, he's a little
bit more afraid of him than Spike is, who's never
been outside. Yeah, but it doesn't quite get me there
that I can really buy. He would never go back,
never investigate any further. They kind of have to accept
it for the rest of the movie.

Speaker 2 (01:45:44):
Yeah, say, he brings his mother there, and I like
that they pump into that soldier who I guess they're
boat stank or something.

Speaker 3 (01:45:52):
Right. The wind blew them ashore.

Speaker 2 (01:45:55):
Yeah, which I'm like, that sucks. You don't want to
be there because the alpha rips all their heads off.
Only one of them survives. He saves them from that
gas station, which I think would actually just blow them
all up. I don't know why it burned the way
it did.

Speaker 1 (01:46:09):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:46:09):
Also, I was like googling afterward. I was like, Benzene
blue doesn't really just turn into like a blue cloud
for twenty years. I don't think that's exactly real.

Speaker 2 (01:46:17):
But it's cool visual though. But I like that moment
because he has a phone, and that's like the kid.
The kid's only exposure to the larger world outside of
like old books and stuff. He has no idea what
the modern And I love that he sees a girl
with a bunch of makeup and pilter on with her face.
What's wrong with their face?

Speaker 3 (01:46:38):
Like?

Speaker 1 (01:46:38):
What?

Speaker 2 (01:46:38):
There's nothing wrong with their face? Looks?

Speaker 3 (01:46:39):
I love like when he asked what is that? And
I'm like, how would you describe what a phone is?
And he's like, it's like a radio but with pictures.
Radio is He's like no, but I was like, that
was a pretty good way to describe it.

Speaker 2 (01:46:51):
Yeah, I get yeah, because what two thousand and two
phones weren't like that, So.

Speaker 3 (01:46:58):
Spike didn't exist back then, so he would only know
from his parents what they saw, like the early version
of that stuff.

Speaker 2 (01:47:04):
Yeah. Yeah, uh so I like the third together and
when then we learned that he these zombies have been breeding.

Speaker 3 (01:47:13):
Which makes sense. How else could they still be around
quarantined and safe.

Speaker 2 (01:47:18):
Well, they're breeding, but they give birth to just regular humans.

Speaker 3 (01:47:24):
The miracle of the placenta.

Speaker 2 (01:47:26):
Yes, apparently the pacenta will save you from the virus.
But I'm like, wouldn't they then just kill that baby
right away, like start beating it around because they're yeah,
well them, it's like that it's a human rage.

Speaker 3 (01:47:38):
Here's where I think, to some extent, you have to offer,
like we talked about in her Alien Earth live streams,
like they're inventing the mythology, right, we don't know how
all this works. So we see for a second that
she does act sort of instinctively, like she's in pain,
and then Spike's mother offers her hands and she grabs them,
like for a moment, something else takes over other than rage.

(01:48:01):
So you could come up with something and maybe we
even see it in the sequels where at least for
the moment, and you even see the alpha is protective
over that baby. So if these characters are acting on instinct,
they might they might at least know enough. And they
even say the alphas are a little bit more intelligent,
so there might be enough of a spark that this
is my prodigy, this is the thing that continues our species.

Speaker 2 (01:48:24):
They give it a little do they vomit blood onto
it to infect it right away? Is that?

Speaker 3 (01:48:30):
Or maybe it could drink the mother's milk and that
infects it. I'm just saying, like you can look at
it and at first glance, yeah, one or two reactions
that doesn't make sense or I wonder how that works. Yeah,
I guess. For me, I always try to break down,
like what are the things that keep you engaged with
the movie, And it's like how invested in the characters

(01:48:50):
are you? How curious are you? But where it's going
to go? But I feel like there's a third bucket
of just like filmmaker trust, and I feel like Danny
Boyle and Alex Carland have earned my trust to the
point where my first instinct is there's reasoning behind this.
I just don't know it yet, and I can kind
of fill in the blanks. I feel like they give
you enough raw material to come up with it. Yeah,

(01:49:11):
or I just love the movie, so my instinct is
to just justify everything.

Speaker 2 (01:49:14):
I'm not sure it's funny that you're saying that, because
I realize now that the Slow Ones also had a child.
There was like a young right.

Speaker 3 (01:49:24):
That's right, ye, which is a really weird moment where
when that child runs away, you hear a child's voice yell,
and I think it's just like a weird choice in
the sound design. Yeah, you just hear get in here, hey,
like a child yells at which reminded me of in
twenty eight Days later, when Killian Murphy runs across that
kid and he's like growling at him. You hear I

(01:49:45):
hate you, which was apparently just a mistake in the
sound design because they were recording people just like screaming
and yelling angry things, but no audible dialogue was supposed
to come through, but I feel like this time they
did it on purpose. I'm not even really sure why,
but it was just a weird choice.

Speaker 2 (01:49:59):
It was a cool again, like there's a lot of
cool choices in this What the hell is going on here? Sorry?
I just glanced at the thing. I think there's just
a guy who doesn't like this movie, and he keeps
telling us to wrap it up. But I think it's

(01:50:20):
just like one guy.

Speaker 3 (01:50:21):
If somebody didn't like this movie.

Speaker 2 (01:50:23):
I guess not. But I'm just like, wait, is there
something going wrong with the street.

Speaker 3 (01:50:29):
Some people just can't handle when things aren't. Maybe go
watch twenty eight weeks later. Yeah, that's more typical. What
do you expect?

Speaker 2 (01:50:37):
No, but I was gonna say I I love when
they get to doctor Kelson. I love that whole sequence
with the Bone. What do they call it the Bone?
Because I think the next spinoff is called the So
they're doing what like three spinoffs of this.

Speaker 3 (01:50:53):
Well, so there's one more guaranteed. The Bone Temple Leave
is already shot. It's coming out early next year, and
then essentially they have a third one plan which would
be directed by Danny Boyle again. The second one isn't,
but that's dependent on the box office, like they don't
have a guarantee on that yet.

Speaker 2 (01:51:10):
Which I think Bone Temple is neat the coster.

Speaker 3 (01:51:14):
That's right, yeah, yeah, from the director of the Marvels. Yeah,
but I believe she's talented. That's a Marvel movie. You
can't judge her.

Speaker 2 (01:51:22):
And the Candyman remake, which I'm the hit or miss with,
there's something though.

Speaker 3 (01:51:27):
You can't really go based on test screenings because you
always get weird reports out of them. But I think
at least the early test screenings for Bone Temple have
been highly positive so far.

Speaker 2 (01:51:35):
Okay, but I love that whole sequence with uh the
doc Nelson, although he should have killed the alpha. I
love that he's covered in just in case blood gets
on him. But he's able to, like he's been studying
these things for years and he's able to hit the alpha.
And he has a name for him. What does he
call him, Samson?

Speaker 3 (01:51:55):
Samson?

Speaker 2 (01:51:55):
I think, yeah, yeah, it's like, well, he's he's a
capacity to kill him, kill.

Speaker 3 (01:51:59):
Him, should kill him. And I think they throw in
one line to try and explain it, where he basically says,
like the Bone Temple for the infected and uninfected like
alike in death and in he basically says like, we're
all the same. So I think he has such a
respect for life he can't bring himself to do it. Yeah,
which is it's a bit silly I have to make
The kids should have done it.

Speaker 2 (01:52:20):
The kids should have been like, oh, hold on, doctor,
let me get a knife and just stab this thing
over and over.

Speaker 3 (01:52:27):
When they're hiding underground and Samson grabs a doctor and
starts like shaking him, and then he's not and the
kid knocks him out, the kid should be like, so,
how often does that happen? Maybe we should do something
about this.

Speaker 2 (01:52:38):
Well, that's when the kids should be like, all right,
let me get a hammer before I leave, thank you
for bringing me here. And but no, it is a
sad moment where the doctor realizes that the mom is
like just riddled with cancer. Yeah, she has a tiny
cluster of tumors in her head, which is a callback
to the soap oper they're watching in twenty eight Day.

Speaker 3 (01:53:02):
They thought that they had just like uncovered gold because
they go back to that so many times, a tiny
cluster of tumors.

Speaker 2 (01:53:08):
And look, movies later, we're back to the tiny cluster
of tumors. Uh. But yeah, this is that she has
enough awareness at that moment to know what's wrong with her, Yeah,
and know that she wants like a different death. She
doesn't want whatever death is coming for. She wants to
go out peacefully. And I am sad. But he has

(01:53:29):
to like trank the kid because he knows the kid
will stop it. And then he had that beautiful moment
where he has to put his mom's head up on Yeah,
the freaking.

Speaker 3 (01:53:38):
Like what we want to see in cinema is something
we haven't seen before, and you want to get a
metaphor an image that sums up a feeling and an
idea that can imprint on your brain. And seeing a
kid climb up a pile of skulls and put his
moms on top and face it towards the sunset. But
it's it's not an entirely sad scene. It's him coming

(01:54:00):
to terms with death and like figuring out his relationship
to it, and it's not grotesque, Like by the time
you get to this point, you're not put off by
the bone temple, like you see the beauty in it,
And that's an incredible moment. It's amazing and it's not
what you expected, because a typical movie at this point
would be getting into like in twenty eight days later,

(01:54:21):
this is when you get to the climax, this is
the rage moment where this is when the violence happens.
We got a lot of that in the first half
of the movie, and they went a different way here,
And I think it's such an interesting, awesome choice.

Speaker 2 (01:54:32):
Which I enjoyed it. I love that he like brings
the baby back to the village and he's he's changed now.
He can't go back to the way of life that
he lived. He needs to see more of the world.

Speaker 3 (01:54:43):
Yeah. One grip with that is that it says twenty
eight days later and then he drops off the baby,
and I'm like, how is he taking care of that
baby for twenty eight days? But in the script he
drops off the baby and then the twenty eight days
later title card cos Oh, they were crediting choice in
my opinion.

Speaker 2 (01:54:59):
Yeah, as they mentioned that they don't like have milk
for the thing, They're like, why yes, But I'm like
twenty days.

Speaker 3 (01:55:04):
Like, it's already kind of hard to buy that this
kid is surviving on his own for twenty eight days.
You add a baby to that and the baby survives too.
It doesn't quite drive.

Speaker 2 (01:55:13):
You're right, I would have switched those I would have
switched the title card in that. So yeah, I uh,
I really love that ending where he's like, I'm gonna
go off in the world and then we see a
set we come back to the opening of the movie.
He was like, Hey, what a rap of that little
kid who was watching? And one are those weird people

(01:55:34):
they were talking about? Who's this chimmy guy? And we
get my most batchhit thing where this kid grew up
to look like famous British entertainer who turned out to
be a horrible human being, and that the government, the
BBC was covering up all his horrible stuff. But maybe
he didn't know that as a kid, and he never
learns he doesn't have the ether.

Speaker 3 (01:55:55):
Head well, and the apocalypse happens in Britain, so that
never comes out in this reality.

Speaker 2 (01:56:00):
Yeah yeah, uh dressed up like what a history is
like famous monsters, and he has a whole gang that
are teletubby colored and they're just fun loving zombie hunters
and I love that he kills the one. He's like,
you mind if we get this next one and it
is like the Teletubby theme right like ahead that.

Speaker 3 (01:56:19):
I haven't gone back to check, but that was my assumption.

Speaker 2 (01:56:22):
That was my first thing was called Lauren saw this movie.
She loved it, and she was like, the Teletubby thing
had me dying. She just text me about it. I
so I before this, I didn't get the memes that
I was seeing. There was this meme on Instagram and
TikTok that was going around. They're like the ending of

(01:56:42):
twenty eight years later and it's from the Power Rangers
movie where the Power Rangers are fighting those monsters in
that rock quarry. And I'm like, what the fuck, I
don't get it. And then I watched this and it's
all the multi colored people in the same uniform fighting
all the zobvious, Like, oh my god, I get it.
I thought that was hilarious. What does he call himself?

Speaker 3 (01:57:04):
Jimmy?

Speaker 2 (01:57:04):
Oh?

Speaker 3 (01:57:05):
I think they just said the person he's imaging himself
off of jim Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:57:11):
Because I looked at the cast credit and the one
girl I think very Aaron Kellyman's in this and I
think she's credited as a Jimmy. I think they're like.

Speaker 3 (01:57:22):
All they're the Jimmies.

Speaker 2 (01:57:23):
Yeah, yeah, the Jimmys. There's Jimmy Jimmy Jimmy and Jimmy Shite,
Jimmy Fox, Jimmy Jones, Jimmy Snakes, Jimmy ma Uh yeah,
Aaron Kellyman, who we all know from Solo, a Star
Wars story, and of course she was.

Speaker 3 (01:57:44):
The eagerly anticipating part two of that story.

Speaker 2 (01:57:47):
Yeah, and she was the villain in uh Falcon and
Winter Soldier. And I know, Gil you were touched by
her performance in the Willow TV show that was then
canceled and taken off a Disney plus you loved it.
You did a whole ten part series. In the right
Jimmy is played by uh, what's the face from a

(01:58:09):
Simmons Centers, Why am I blanking? Oh? Oh, he's Sir
Jimmy Crystal. That is his full name in this by
Jack O'Connell Jack.

Speaker 3 (01:58:19):
Oh, yeah, who In the seconds of screen time he
has is amazing because you're like, he's awesome, but also
you can tell there's something sinister and then you remember
everything you saw in the movie where the guy's body
was carved with Jimmy and so do you know this
guy's bad news? But it's also so weird and you

(01:58:41):
I just can't wait to see more of them.

Speaker 2 (01:58:43):
Yeah, we're I mean it's reminding me of the Bikers
and Down of the Dead, where it's like, yeah, vibing
and having fun, but the kind of assholes.

Speaker 3 (01:58:50):
Right, And it's it's an environment where chaos is very uncomfortable.
The chaotic things in this world are the rage infected
and noise draws their attention, Like, this is a place
where you want to be careful, So when people come
in and start doing backflips and jumping around, it's, uh,
it's it's a very uncomfortable group to be around.

Speaker 2 (01:59:11):
I know. And uh, I think I texted you after
I saw this movie and I was like, why are
they never wearing goggles or masks touring any of these fights?
They're never wearing uh No, Frank has riot gear on
at one point, and it's like, why is he just
not always wearing that all the time. They're all like

(01:59:32):
any little bit of blood in your mouth infects you.
And it's like they're constantly like, yeah, let's slop this
MASCHHETI round.

Speaker 3 (01:59:37):
Have you ever tried doing a bunch of backflips with
a mask and goggles on, and then and then you're
trying to shoot an arrow and the goggles start fogging
up because you and I've heard you breathe, So I know.

Speaker 2 (01:59:49):
Forget, forget these specific guys anyone else. Like even when
Selena is yelling at any bit of blood, it's like,
why did you wear a scarf or something? What is
all over you? I love this cliff Acker. Normally you
could go two ways, and I'm sure a lot of
people feel this way, like probably some of the people

(02:00:11):
in the comments where they're like, that was fucking stupid.
That was a dumb thing to end the movie on.
It didn't fit anything else. But for me, I'm like, no,
I kinda I actually want to see that movie. I
actually wish I got that movie more than anything else.
But no, it's a very interesting film. I know it's
not gonna be for everyone. But as far as late

(02:00:32):
sequels go, it took a lot of swings. For me,
it hit most of the time. There wasn't many stuff.
There wasn't much stuff in this that I didn't like,
and it again, Danny Boyle coming back, you get more
of that dream like feel for the film, And overall
I thought it was I thought it was solid. I
thought it was really really great. Any last thoughts on

(02:00:53):
twenty eight years later.

Speaker 3 (02:00:55):
You know, we didn't mention the fact that a lot
of it was shot on an iPhone.

Speaker 2 (02:00:59):
Yes, they had, like he loves, like cameras and like
the digital stuff. I love. They had like a shit
ton of iPhones on like a cart with the.

Speaker 3 (02:01:07):
One actor give bullet time.

Speaker 2 (02:01:09):
Yeah, yeah, they did, like a mobile bullet time. I
get really really cool imagery. Even if even if the
story or whatever doesn't do it for you, you have
to appreciate, like how it was filmed, in the creative
decisions they made.

Speaker 3 (02:01:21):
I love. If you watch the behind the scenes stuff,
you see various people explain what they did with all
the iPhones lined up to do bullet Time, and nobody
can figure out how to explain it. They're like, well,
you line up all the phones, then you can kind
of like jump from one to the other. And at
one point Aaron till or Johnson, he's trying to explain it.
He's like, you know what, just ask them. They can
explain that, like, just say bullet time. We get it.

Speaker 2 (02:01:44):
Yeah, it's bullet time. Is that trademarked? Are they not?
Allowed to say bullet. I think this one is the
one that went like viral where it was like, oh, yeah,
they shot it on an iPhone with some attachments, and
it's an iPhone with like this you shriek on it. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (02:02:01):
I'm like at a certain point, it's like it, Yes,
there's an iPhone in that rig somewhere, but you're using
a lens that's this big Yeah, rigged something up so
it can attach to the iPhone.

Speaker 2 (02:02:12):
Remember we dealt with that with the creator again, that's right.
They're like, yeah, use a camera, you can buy the store.
I'm like, yeah, but with like a really nice lens
and shit.

Speaker 3 (02:02:22):
I think if I was a director of photography or
whatever and Danny Boyle said to use an iPhone and
be like, ah, okay, we'll do it for you. Let's go.

Speaker 2 (02:02:32):
But yeah, I think now I want to see what
so this? I guess this should have been what's the
best twenty eight Days Later movie? So far? Right, since
we're probably getting more, uh, but yeah, we're at the
moment now, Gil what is the best twenty eight Days
Later movie?

Speaker 3 (02:02:48):
Well, I'm gonna put a caveat on it and say
that I feel with twenty eight years later, I have
seen part one of a movie that's not over yet. Okay,
so I want to see more because there's a recency bias.
I walked out of twenty eight years later thinking this
is one of the best movies I've ever seen. It
made such an impact on me. One thing we didn't
mention my favorite sequence in the movie when the Alpha

(02:03:12):
is chasing them across the causeway at night. Yeah, Aurora
and the stars, Yeah. And the brilliance of that scene
because there's so much tension, the fact that they're trying
to outrun this thing. They're in the water that's slowing
them down, and also cinematic language tells you the dad's
going to sacrifice himself to save the kid, so you
know it's going to go that way. And then because

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they're in the water, you can zoom out. It can
be dark, but the splashing shows you very visually how
close that thing is getting and how it's definitely going
to outpace them, and it just looks beautiful with the
stars and everything. Seeing that almost depressed me because I
want to make a movie one day. That's an addition,
but I'm like, I'll never think of a sequence like
that that's genus. So I would say, like I'm pure artistry.

(02:03:57):
I feel like Danny Boyle and Alex Garland have been
in I've been working for over twenty years. Since twenty
eight days later, I think they've gotten more confident. I
think that if you were to just go on, like
I said, artistry, I would almost say twenty eight years
later might be a better movie. But if I go
on my favorite and say the one that has the
larger place in my heart, it's still twenty eight days later,

(02:04:20):
I would shout out, like two particular moments that hit
me so emotionally, when Jim rages out amazing, and the
feeling of when he sees the plane flying over him
the first time you realize that they're quarantined, and it
plays that like sad part of the movie's main theme,
Like those are imprinted on my brain. So I love

(02:04:41):
that movie. I love twenty eight years later. I put
days above it for now. Yeah, but as this one marinates,
as we see part two and hopefully part three, that
could change.

Speaker 2 (02:04:52):
Yeah, you know, I think in my heart of hearts
it is twenty eight days later. Still, twenty eight years
later does feel like incomplete, because it is setting up another.
Like the other ones, they weren't leading into another one Specifically,
we weren't gonna like follow the same characters. But this
one as the cliffhanger, sort of a cliffhanger with a

(02:05:15):
character that you're meant to like anticipate to come back.
I've been thinking about twenty eight years Later a lot.
I really really enjoyed it. I really want to watch
it again. Man, that twenty eight years later, as of
right now might be my favorite, but since it is
a part one and could be ruined by later entries.

(02:05:37):
Remember when I said that girl was in one of
the Pirates of the Caribbeans. Actually, Gil, I actually really
like the second Pirates of the Caribbean movie, but so
much of it is set up and a tie into
the third movie, which sucks. But now it's kind of
harder to watch the second movie, even though I really
enjoy it. I'm hoping something like that doesn't happen twenty

(02:05:58):
eight years later. Twenty eight years later, I think is
the one I I've enjoyed the most, but I think
best self contained, it's definitely twenty eight years later at
the very top.

Speaker 3 (02:06:09):
Ay, Wait, did you mean to say years or days?
Just now best self.

Speaker 2 (02:06:12):
Twenty eight days later. My favorite is twenty eight years
later as of right now best twenty eight days later.
Just it's a self contained story. It's really good, has
enough creative stuff in it. Right under that twenty eight
years later. I'm ranking these now twenty eight years later,
just because I'm I can't stop thinking about it. And

(02:06:32):
then of course twenty eight days very character driven, really
sets up the whole universe in a way that you
want to see. I like comedies. I know it didn't
work for you. The jokes really landed for me. Underneath
that twenty eight weeks later, a little too safe, but
it was still fun in action pack. So even though
we were seeing things we've seen before, it was being
done in a very fun way. And unfortunately at the

(02:06:55):
bottom it's twenty eight months after. And I feel like
you might agree with my rank system.

Speaker 3 (02:07:01):
Yeah, I think it was a very safe ranking. No,
and I agree with it.

Speaker 2 (02:07:05):
Yeah, okay, yeah, So I don't know why.

Speaker 3 (02:07:07):
I said that, so Snyder, it's because we put We
both put twenty eight days later first. Yes, I feel
like that was the easy That was the easiest answer. Yeah,
but it is how I feel right now.

Speaker 2 (02:07:17):
So ye if this was a what is the Best
twenty eight years later or twenty eight days sequel, then
twenty eight days later with still win because it's a sequel,
get it. I'm being consistent with the bit, Gil, I'll
be consistent with the.

Speaker 3 (02:07:31):
I love it, Gil.

Speaker 2 (02:07:35):
Should we do super Chats?

Speaker 3 (02:07:37):
Sure, let's do it.

Speaker 2 (02:07:38):
Motherfucker. I forgot to send the link to the patrons.
We're gonna have to skip that part. Weekly Monthly wrap
Up next week, Monthly wrap Up. I'm really sorry. I
knew I find it right before we recorded it. I'm like, Gil,
I think I'm forgetting something and I think it was
Instagram ers.

Speaker 3 (02:07:54):
You did say that, yeah, and then I started making
a joke about something and I think I might have
thrown you off.

Speaker 2 (02:08:01):
God damn it.

Speaker 3 (02:08:02):
Got You need a checklist, see, Like, it's hard for
me to have a checklist because I have no like
consistent format. But you're doing a podcast in livestream every week, make.

Speaker 2 (02:08:11):
Us I gotta put a checklist there, Like did I
do this? Did I? Back when I was at the studio,
there were so many times where someone would forget to
turn the camera on or hit record, so I literally
had to put paper on the ceiling that said, is
the camera on? Are you recording? Do you see a

(02:08:31):
red light? And actually the first time we used the
paper system, I forget to hit I forgot to hit record,
and we had a girl off camera throwing batman onto
the set. It was the batman. That's why I do one.
So we did. We talked for like ten minutes, did
the joke, and then I looked and I went, oh, no,
I'm not recording audio. And the girl's just like, are
the cameras records playing at all the signs that I

(02:08:54):
put up?

Speaker 3 (02:08:56):
Did you do the thing that? Well? First off, now
the slide you had that was like play trailer. Now
it's making a lot more sense. And did you guys
do the thing podcasts always do where they try to
recreate the conversation but it's like the stiff, awkward thing
where they're like, and we've never talked about this before.
This is definitely the first time we're having this conversation.

Speaker 2 (02:09:15):
Yes, I do that all the good good? Have I
done that with you yet? Have we had a mess
up yet?

Speaker 3 (02:09:19):
I don't know. As I was saying that it gave
me such deja vous, I think it must have happened
on one of.

Speaker 2 (02:09:24):
Them real quick. Actually, before we get into super chats,
I forgot we gotta do Boy of the Week.

Speaker 3 (02:09:30):
Oh god, how can we forget?

Speaker 2 (02:09:32):
We have to do Boy of the week? We have
two we actually have two candidates here, and.

Speaker 3 (02:09:37):
Is this one special because it's it's the last boy
of the week.

Speaker 2 (02:09:40):
Of the last Boy of the week. I'm gonna I'm
gonna bring up YouTube so I can make a pull.
Uh because we have two people, we have two people
competing for Boy of the Week. Let me bring it
up here. By the way, by the way, I should
be I should do an annoying broad the week. I

(02:10:00):
don't know if we saw the controversy that meant Salad
last week. I make her boyfriend boy of the week,
mostly despite Rob K, who I see left a super chat.
You can leave the super chat all you want, rob K,
You're still Beta of the Week. And then min Salad,
it's like it feels like you only gave it to
him because not enough people applied for it. And I'm like,

(02:10:21):
sun up a bitch. I made him Boy of the
Week and you're mad that he's not Boy of the
Week the way you wanted him to be. Boy of
the Week. So there's a lot of controversy right now.
Min Salad trying to try to ruin Riley's victory. Riley's
got a lot of WS this year, and she wants
to take this W away from him.

Speaker 3 (02:10:38):
I had to comment on controversy of this one.

Speaker 2 (02:10:42):
All right, the best Boy of the I'm putting the
poll now and I'm gonna pull up our two candidates.

Speaker 3 (02:10:50):
So this is a big deal. Now, it's the last
one of the month. This is like the super Bowl.
This is the super Boy.

Speaker 2 (02:10:58):
Yes, pretty much, alright, I'm putting the pole in there.
So our first Boy of the.

Speaker 3 (02:11:04):
Week twenty eight boys later, this is the last one left,
Number one.

Speaker 2 (02:11:12):
Our boy of the week. Here, hold on, let me
share this tab. Unfortunately, he didn't get to make it
into Boys Month. What is this? Oh? Remove, he didn't
get to make it into Boys Month. But Joey C
posted a video saying nothing more manly than cleaning. Let's
check this out. Let's see if this is manly, gil

(02:11:34):
very manly. Now, okay, I think we can all agree
that ladies are supposed to be doing the cleaning. So
I like that Joey C is so manly that he
picked up a vacuum and his testosterone kicked in and
would it allow him to clean? That's how manly Joey

(02:11:58):
C is his bodies. He's so madly, he's got man
juice in his head. He's like, no, don't touch that vacuum,
go with weights instead. Our second person pull him up
is a longtime fan of ours. Uh Ren on the
shaved he posts a picture earlier of him smoking a cigar,

(02:12:24):
mustache and cigar manly at Hack the Movies, Boys Month,
Boys of the Week, Hack the Movies. I don't know
who are we going with here, because that is pretty
manly wearing an with the shaved head, mustache and cigar.
Or is it let's touch this again now very manly?

Speaker 3 (02:12:50):
You know the rejecting the vacuum theory that you have,
like if he threw it away, but the fact that
his entire body, it's the fight or flight. His entire
body is shut down. He went the slolo route, not
the alpha route.

Speaker 2 (02:13:06):
Did this guy has a point? Joey C has a
flag that even references the rainbow Batman? What's more badly
than Batman? That's one of them. Oh and devil owner
thinks Joeys should be Boy of the Year. Uh you know,
we'll check back with our poll in a little bit.
Let's read some super chats here. First, up the Flute

(02:13:29):
Wizard for five dollars love these guys still need to
see twenty eight years later. Might be a bus but hey, no, biggie,
I love me some. Tony and Gil enjoy the dibbles,
lots of love.

Speaker 3 (02:13:44):
We love you too, Flute Wizard's And also you don't
have to wonder. We told you it's not a bust,
so yeah, there you go.

Speaker 2 (02:13:51):
What's a dibble?

Speaker 3 (02:13:53):
Enjoy the dibbles?

Speaker 2 (02:13:55):
I'm typing, I'm typing in.

Speaker 3 (02:13:56):
Maybe that's what money's called where he's from.

Speaker 2 (02:13:59):
A point at hand tool for making holes in the
ground for seeds or young plants. Make a hole in
soil with a dibble? Okay, sure. Dylan German member for
seventeen months, goes hello, it's by Killian Murphy.

Speaker 3 (02:14:20):
Is that uh oh, Killian Murphy? Or it's a Seinfeld Hello.

Speaker 2 (02:14:27):
Oh yeah that one new member. Little Lemmy just became
a YouTube member.

Speaker 3 (02:14:32):
Thank you, little that's a smart man right there.

Speaker 2 (02:14:35):
That's not a man.

Speaker 3 (02:14:36):
Uh well, it's boys month. I have a certain mindset
right now.

Speaker 2 (02:14:43):
Unfortunately, I mean I fortunately I know who that is.
I probably would have thought the same thing as you'd be, like, Yeah,
little Levy, cool guy, hell of a dude. Anthony Hudak
for two dollars, have you seen the Hulk versus Godzilla
Death Battle?

Speaker 3 (02:14:59):
Tony, like he knows, ask you that question.

Speaker 2 (02:15:03):
I haven't watched Death Battle in like six trillion years.
I never really watched Death Battle too often. Yeah, my friends,
we did like a death battle thing. We did YouTube
versus Tajeta on Justin's old channel, and I did a
lot to Uh, but no, I have not seen it
and I don't watch that a j Whizzle for four nine.

(02:15:28):
What's wrong with the Black Christmas remake?

Speaker 3 (02:15:30):
Tony?

Speaker 2 (02:15:30):
Is it woke? Is it the most woke movie ever?
Or is it another movie about witches? No, it's not
about witches, but it is, Oh, I know, part of
his ongoing attempt to get me to talk about the craft.
Like anyway, Uh, yeah, Black Christmas is pretty woke? Uh?

(02:15:54):
For one nine nine age of Whizzle again, Gil looks
like a yearbook picture.

Speaker 3 (02:15:57):
All right, I get that a lot.

Speaker 2 (02:15:59):
Actually I look like shit in my yearbook picture. So
I never want to look at my yearbook again. I
actually have to throw out my yearbook. My friends were assholes. Guild,
they were assholes. You know how you like people sign yearbooks. Yeah,
my friend Page one just wrote titties all capital and

(02:16:21):
then they were drawing dicks and everything through it. And
I'm just like, I sat there and I'm like, if
I ever have kids, i could never show them my
high school yearbook because it's the most upseed thing in
the world. Because I'm friends with assholes. I could just
throw it away. I'm like, just get it out of here.

Speaker 3 (02:16:35):
We should do like a hack the movies yearbook. We're
all thends and everybody. We can all submit our pictures,
we can all everyone could digitally sign, we could all
print it out. I feel like you might not be
the only one in this community books back at their
yearbook with regret.

Speaker 2 (02:16:52):
I will say I was voted most likely to become
a celebrity. Hey, hey, it worked out. It worked out.
It took a really long time and not the way
I wanted it anyway. Rob K Happy Boys Month, twenty
twenty five. Gil, do you know Rob K chose Kaylee
over us? You think Kaylee?

Speaker 3 (02:17:11):
I do have to say he's been popping into uh
my comments here and there.

Speaker 2 (02:17:18):
So it's fine. It was popping in the Kaylee stuff
saying she was better during police Month. That's how he
got beta A boy.

Speaker 3 (02:17:29):
I'm glad you handled that maturely.

Speaker 2 (02:17:31):
Yes I did, Gil, I'm known for handling things maturely.
The flail for two dollars, show me your daddy tipples.

Speaker 3 (02:17:40):
I knew there was a punchlines off to the dibbles talk.
It had to come back.

Speaker 2 (02:17:44):
What is the dipple?

Speaker 3 (02:17:46):
Didn't look it up? Isn't that a thing to make.

Speaker 2 (02:17:49):
You think the dipple is? Because I know it's not this.

Speaker 3 (02:17:52):
I think he's made it pretty clear. Now.

Speaker 2 (02:17:57):
Oh come on, Chris, you know what you did.

Speaker 3 (02:18:02):
So you know what you do with this. You say
thank you for the two dollars and then you move on.
You don't give it air oxygen.

Speaker 2 (02:18:08):
Gil, I'm confused. He said I should thank Crystal for
the two dollars. She only gave me one dollar and
ninety nine cents.

Speaker 3 (02:18:15):
And YouTube takes thirty percent of that.

Speaker 2 (02:18:17):
She gave me basically nothing. She gave me basically nothing.
Boyce month almost over. Thank God.

Speaker 3 (02:18:28):
Someone's jealous.

Speaker 2 (02:18:29):
Someone is very jealous. Someone is very jealous. Quarter Cabs
skateboarding member for sixty months. When's when twenty eight months?
What the fuck? We are you late? We talked about
twenty eight months after. Do you want to watch the
trailer again? I have it right here. You know we
can watch watching movies.

Speaker 3 (02:18:51):
That's when I just said, Oh, my connection is bad.

Speaker 2 (02:18:57):
Aj Whistle for four nine nine. Tony, you got the
DVD right there? Put it on. We'll watch along with it. Yeah,
you know you're right. Let's watch the Craft Legacy right now, Gil,
I'll look.

Speaker 3 (02:19:06):
Remember what I said about audience retention, Tony?

Speaker 2 (02:19:11):
Shut up?

Speaker 3 (02:19:14):
Oh I struck a.

Speaker 2 (02:19:15):
Nerve, Gil. While I wait for the poll to be finished,
and while I wait for any other potential super chats,
what do you got going on besides our Alien? I
know you mentioned in our last Alien video, But for
anyone who didn't watch, let us know what you have
coming up?

Speaker 3 (02:19:31):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (02:19:31):
I have.

Speaker 3 (02:19:31):
I'm gonna tease it. I don't want to say what
it is yet because it's a big project and I
want to make sure I can get it done before
I say I'm doing it. But I'll say is that
I'm about seventy five pages in to approximately three hundred
and fifty pages of material script that will turn into
videos for October. So on my channel, you're not going
to really see anything until October, and then if you're

(02:19:53):
a horror fan, hopefully you'll be eating very well. Unless
I can't get it done in time, then you can
look forward to October twenty twenty six.

Speaker 2 (02:20:02):
And just an update for you guys, I only have
one episode film for September so far, so I have
a lot of shooting to do next week and the.

Speaker 3 (02:20:12):
Week after busy boys, you and me.

Speaker 2 (02:20:16):
It might be an emergency Monday Live episode if I
don't get the shot in time, but there will be
a wrap up next month. And if you're a patriot
of Channel member, I announced what was on the wrap
up yesterday, although I have a feeling I'm gonna be
the only one talking about Primitive War because I think
I'm the only one who saw Primitive War.

Speaker 3 (02:20:38):
Kill.

Speaker 2 (02:20:38):
They did one showing a day like Great Awesome, and
the one day I can see is when Batman and
Batman Returns was in theater, so I got to sneak
into the end of Batman and see it on the
big screen. But I have time for both Crystal Quinn
for one dollar and ninety nine cents. I do the
show for free and listen to your daily life.

Speaker 3 (02:20:58):
That's a good point. She's making good points now.

Speaker 2 (02:21:00):
To be honest, Gil, did did you just say Crystal
had a good point doing Boy's Month. I'm gonna pretend
I didn't hear that. Oh, here we go, Daniel fall
for two dollars. Dark City improves dating Life reviews it, Tony.
Everyone's really trying to get me to do Dark City.

Speaker 3 (02:21:16):
Have you seen Dark City?

Speaker 2 (02:21:18):
I love Dark City. I have the director I have
the director's cut that doesn't spoil the twist in the beginning,
unlike the theatrical cut that's like, by the way, this
is what these guys are, and then it's like when
it's revealed later, it's like, yeah, I already knew you
told me opening monologue. I do want to try and
get you and Joey c out here for a big

(02:21:41):
episode coming up, but I'm gonna talk about that off camera.
I should be doing another Blade Boys soon, and I
went really hard on commentary tracks or Friday thirteenth, But
I gotta get back to doing commentary tracks for all
of you guys, because you deserve it minute, It's okay,
ending the pull. Joey C won sixty eight percent of

(02:22:06):
the votes. Joey C your Boy of the Week. Congratulations.
I can't wait for Joey C to come back.

Speaker 3 (02:22:15):
I feel bad him for acceptance speech. Now.

Speaker 2 (02:22:19):
No, he's busy. That's why he's not even here today.
We were gonna try and get him to do this
one with us because I felt that, I really did
they not announce that Twisted Metal was gonna be weekly
ahead of time? I don't know.

Speaker 3 (02:22:32):
I think I heard them. I think I heard that.
Actually fuck yeah, because there's a few shows like Fallout
I think was all released together, and in that one's
going weekly. I think more and more people are realizing
you can build hype, you get the conversation, water cooler show,
ye at least weekly.

Speaker 2 (02:22:49):
Yeah. I don't know why binging stuff became so popular
at first, and then how it got reversed.

Speaker 3 (02:22:54):
What do you think reverse they realized like I feel
like at first, and I've done no research to beat up,
but at first the most important thing for a streaming service,
you need a ton of content to get people to subscribe.
So maybe when you're first building it out, you gotta
just dump shows, dump content. But I think now that
they're established and they've basically become Cable two point zero,

(02:23:15):
it's time to start going back to that old model.
I feel like Netflix, kicking and screaming does not want
to admit a that when you release something theatrically it
does something for your movie that going straight to streaming doesn't.
And two the weekly release model just does better.

Speaker 2 (02:23:31):
Well, now they're doing the splitting the season up bullshit.

Speaker 3 (02:23:34):
Yeah, it's like the in between, like half measure, which
works out great every time, right half measures.

Speaker 2 (02:23:41):
Yeah, but like Netflix shows are kind of forgettable, like
I need to look at recaps to remember what happened,
like with Wednesday and shit. So it's like, don't split
up the show. I'm gonna forget by the time I'm
gonna Yeah. Anyway, Uh, that is it from us. Thank
you all for watching. I hope you all enjoyed Boys Months.
Shut up, Crystal, uh, and I hope you uh. I

(02:24:03):
hope you live this. I hope you have the spirit
of Boy's Month in your heart and you live it
all year long like Scrooge at the end of a
Christmas story or U Christmas Carol, which Gil did not
read because he didn't understand what the Ghost of Christmas
Present was supposed to do, and he confused it with
It's a Wonderful Life my favorite. Watching that video, you're like,

(02:24:27):
it's the angel from a Wonderful Life, Like, ah, fuck it,
it's funnier if you can get it.

Speaker 3 (02:24:33):
That started as were really touching, you know, you were like,
I hope the Spirit of boys month and then that
time Gil screwed up that video.

Speaker 2 (02:24:43):
Come on, man, I know you're Jewish, but you've never
seen a Christmas carol anything like it's impossible to people like, oh, Gil,
do you know about Sanna? And you're like, oh, I
don't know this guy as you drink a Coca Cola
with him on it. All right, that's it, Thank you everyone,
We'll talk to you later.

Speaker 3 (02:25:03):
Merry Christmas.

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