#23 | Free Energy, Plasma Weapons, and the Tech Decades Ahead of Its Time with Bob Greenyer - Hard Truths

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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Bob Green here, welcome back to Hardrew Sir. How are
you doing today?

Speaker 2 (00:04):
Doing very well? Yes, Ashton, thank you for having me.

Speaker 1 (00:07):
What is new in the world of cold fusion these days?
Or sorry, low energy and nuclear reactions.

Speaker 2 (00:13):
Well, you could consider it cold because it's not at
the sort of millions of degrees that hot fusionists would
claim you need to do what is in their way
view going on in the sun. However, we call it
low energy nuclear reactions and have done for a while. Well,
we're just about to come up to the conference next
week in Marioka in Japan, and this is when international

(00:36):
researchers in the field meet to discuss where they are.
So next week I will be able to give you
some right on the money updates. But going into the conference,
it does seem like Clean Planet in Japan are one
of the leaders. They are one of the major hosts
and sponsors of the conference this year, so I'm really

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looking forward to hanging out with with Iwamura and seeing
what he has to say. They have devices which they
hope to put into production in the coming years. These
are based on lead, very thin layers of materials, and
they're passing touterium through it, and they have a manufacturing process.

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They have a huge number of patents. Now these patents
can be design patents, they can be how they make
the particular lead structures and so forth, rather than the
overall process. They have the hypothesis of the process, and
that often comes from different Japanese but really they're looking
for a technology that will lead to safe generation of power.

(01:40):
So that's on the major Japanese side. We have a
couple of players that are in the UK and I
think in Portugal or maybe I don't know where they are,
and these are coming out of the Anatoli Klimov and
I believe you it interviewed one of them recently.

Speaker 1 (02:00):
Did you check out the interview that I did with them?

Speaker 2 (02:02):
Yeah, very good. Yeah, you engaged very well. It was
a short but sweet demonstration of the technology. Obviously you
can't necessarily judge it based on a video like that,
but it's at least good that that is being put
out there. What did you think of it?

Speaker 1 (02:20):
Yeah, I thought that For me, the three point zero
or higher over unity, of course, is very impressive, but
in this case, I think it was coming out in
the form of heat, which it presents another challenge because
now you need to do something else to it to
make it into usable energy. But I thought everything that
he said to me, explained to me from the science perspective,
made sense from my own background and research, and he

(02:43):
kind of also led me onto this idea of brilliant
light power, which connects this concept of negative energy and
zero point energy as well. So for me, it wasn't
even so much just the demonstration and understanding it. I
was kind of going back and forth in terms of
like how confident I was in the commercialization of it.
Then when I got to the part where he was
explaining the science, I went, Okay, well, I know this

(03:03):
guy understands how to do it or the ideas behind it.
It's just a matter of like how close that was.
That was my view.

Speaker 2 (03:11):
So yeah, so it's kind of a it's it's not
the best version of that technology that they're on their
road to understanding it, but they are working hard and
they're trying to be really good with engaging with the
community that's not just outside of Lenna, but even within

(03:32):
Lena to try and both support them and promote them,
which which is nice to see a member of the
community that's actually trying to lift up other members of
the community. There's their system is based on a plasma vortex,
so they have a high speed jet going in there
and they have a discharge between two electrodes. It's normally

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using metal nanoparticles which essentially become part of the fuel
and they transmitt to other elements. You can look at
that through using optical spectrometry and during the live part
of the experiment, or you could look at it using
various post experiment analytical techniques, both of which Klimov has done.
In the many presentations that Klimov has done, he showed

(04:15):
transmutation of elements, and those transmutation of elements would suggest
the production of excess heat in the formation. So not
only do you have the observance of excess heat, you
have at least on a how should we put it
this a fifty thousand foot view, something that could potentially
explain where the excess heat is coming from. In terms

(04:37):
of brilliant light power, they have claimed although they did
Lena as it was cold fusion back in this sort
of early nineteen eighty nine to nineteen ninety one days,
they actually had a think company or Randall Mills, who's
the main proponent there. He had a thing called Thermocor,
and they had this thing where they had what they
called the thermocore meltdown. So they had some as far

(04:59):
as I understand it, amount of powder they put some
hydrogen in, became very hot and had an ejection from
the device. Although they say it's very hot because they
saw part of the reactor turn orange and then a
failure of the containment. Later on, they said, there's no
low ingeniic reactions going on, and this is taking the

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normal ground state of hydrogen and reducing it to a
half or a fourth or an eighth or down to well, so.

Speaker 1 (05:28):
Let me jump in because I think in either scenario
it seems like the big hurdle is figuring out what
is the root cause that's allowing you know, this reaction
where we have coefficient and performance greater than one, this
excess energy, whether it's heat or whatever. Because I also
reached out to Random Mills afterwards and got kind of

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very short responses from him. I also was reached out
to by somebody that worked with Random Mills and had
written a book about it. Oh, totally believes in the techechnology,
but the impression I got from them in general was
a very you know, they were on their high horse
looking down, which I thought was kind of wild considering

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they've put out no commercial products in thirty years. And
to me, the only thing, the only conclusion I could
come to is they haven't really figured out what the
root causes. Because the moment you figure out how it works,
you should be able to crack it instantly. And that's
what I think all of them are really doing, is
that they see something and they know they can recreate
the anomalous thing, and they're trying to find other ways
to make the anomalost thing occur, but they haven't figured

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out what is the secret sauce that's making it occur,
because then that would allow them to engineer it at
any level.

Speaker 2 (06:36):
Is that what is the key word there? You said anomous?
And it's in fact the anomalies that the extreme anomalies
that are the most telling of what process potentially is.
And in Randall Mills's research, they had tungsten and they
lived in them X electrodes basically disappear or fail or

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containment fail. And they also had metal containment where they
would get a little orange spot glowing and then it
would start to bleed out the internals. Now that doesn't
make any sense because orange isn't hot enough, or yellow
rather as it looked in the videos, isn't hot enough
for these things to become fluid and fail so quickly.

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And I have openly made a request to analyze these materials,
and it's been very clear for many years that I
would like to analyze these. So if Randall Mills, if
you're looking at this now, I would like to analyze
those failed components, because I suspect we're going to see
things that we see in other technologies. So in the
for instance, in the Sapphire group, which is now called

(07:40):
orient Energy, they had some double layers set up, and
this is a special type of plasma configuration, and when
they were trying to measure the thermal temperature as you
go through those double layers or the field strengths, they
had this thing called a Lagna probe, and it was
like eleventh dollars And they have a video where they're

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inserting this probe in and like in one frame of
the video, the whole thing disappears. It just disappears. And
again it's tungsten, and tungsten has a long history from
Irving Langmuir himself developing the tungsten filament light bulb where
it seems to fall apart. There was a guy called

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David Hudson who came up with the thing called Ormus,
where he had a thumb sized tungsten electrode and he
was putting it into a like it's an electric arc
furnace where you're meant to be able to melt even
refractory materials, and the whole tungsten electrode disappeared. It's meant
to be good for a thousand type of meltings. And

(08:42):
outside of the device and in the room he was
he had things behind him made of glass that kind
of fragmented and fell apart. He did this twice, and
did twice and realized this is going to be too expensive.

Speaker 1 (08:55):
So if I could summarize, I mean, really what you're saying,
they're doing these experiments with plasma and it's eating metals away.
They're just disappearing, and you got a very good price. Yes,
that's a very good price. Is eating the containment system.
It's eating the cathode or anoid or whatever it is.
You know, it's eating the material components of the experiment
and they're going, Okay, how do we even do this experiment?

(09:16):
It's eating the stuff away, corroding it away. So obviously
there's something that almost going on, and then we're trying
to figure out how to do it. The reason why
I bring that up is that I've thought a lot
about that is that when I look at all these experiments,
the commonality seems to be that the experimental energy generation
device or containment falls apart. Like that's what seems to
be the big problem in these tokemacs as well, and

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they can't keep them running for a very long time
because it eats it apart. So the solution to that
would be, don't have the containment device. Make a bubble
that doesn't have a containment device, right, And this kind
of goes back to that mads Toe some zero videos
because like we're looking at it in those videos, it's
not a matter of like theory. We're looking at it.
We're looking at balls of plasma that are doing that.

Speaker 2 (09:58):
You are absolutely on the right line. So there's a
guy called Chukanov, Kiril Chukanov, and he created a very
large microwave based sort of ball lightning chamber and he
used fused quartz in sphere. And the interesting thing about
ball lightning is it does seem to charge the air

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around it. And if you charge, if you have a
charged object and you have fused quarts that's also charge,
then the charge those two mutual charges will repel. And
so you can confine the ball lightning inside this fused quartz.
And he calls it a coherent is like a macro

(10:41):
coherent object in his patterns. And what he does is
he uses for instance electric or sorry electromagnet or magnetic
fields to stress the coherent structure in order that it
gives off light by interacting with a quantum coherent blob
that is the ball light There's a lot of interesting

(11:02):
material to go and look at with ca chu Kanov's
investigation of those structures, and that, my friend, is the
way you can find these things. Now that the problem
is is they still break up and fire arount things
which will destroy the fuse courts.

Speaker 1 (11:15):
Yeah, your confinement needs to be perfect, like absolute perfect confinement.
You just have to not care about what you want
on the outside. Yeah, you know, you don't care about
what the side effects are, You don't care what it
is spitting out, and then that makes me wonder then
about the double layer plasma. So there might to me
there must be a connection because if you figured out
the confinement, the theory is then that you figured out

(11:35):
how to control the magnetic fields in a perfect fashion.
And then if you can do that, then you can separate,
you can your double layer plasma. I believe you're referring
to separate charges that have been separated out where there on.

Speaker 2 (11:48):
What that is the double layer specifically, But there is
other ways to deal with these plasmas and and to
force them to not get too greedy with materials. And
it seems to be the carbon is the key, because
the structures themselves they produce carbon, and they because carbon
is diamagnetic, it appears to orbit around parts of the structure,

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and the outside of the structure on the overall structure
does appear to potentially have self similar structures are trying
that are kind of bound around the outside, and if
they're making carbon, it kind of makes a shield. And
I suggested carbon for two reasons, those about its diamagnetic nature,

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but also because it was the only thing that Nicola
Tesla found could survive bombardment of etheric matter. Raise and
so if it makes it, if the structures make it,
then if it goes into it, it just makes more
of the same, or it just goes in and it
comes out. And in fact, with all this different plasma

(12:54):
vortex reactors being developed outside of Russia and Klimov being
stuck inside Russia, in a recent presentation he said that
actually we've replaced using metal nanoparticles as the fuel and
we're just using carbon. And in fact, you can tell
which carbon form he's using because he says that we
actually produced a laser in our plasma vortex reactor and

(13:17):
it was a carbon carbon bond laser without any charge pumping,
without any mirrors or you know, chamber. And he showed
a video and the video frame had a date down
the bottom and it was two thousand and one.

Speaker 1 (13:31):
Wow, let me show you, because now we're talking about this,
my thought is, well, what's the next thing? So not
just confinement that you want to get rid of if
you're really going for a perfect fusion, Confinement's one thing.
The next thing is no fuel source, Like I don't
want to have to have a tank or I have
to pump something into it either. And the thing I've
run across is well, why don't we just use the air?

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Can we just use the air for that?

Speaker 2 (13:55):
That's what bull lighting does, right, actual natural ball lightning,
that's what it does.

Speaker 1 (13:59):
So listen, look, listen to what this paper this is
from Air Breathing Magneto Hydrodynamics DIRD that's out there. And
when it talks about endothermic fuel conversion here it talks
about using a mixture of a hybrid hydrocarbon fuel. But
it says that it says here at the bottom that
this would require no need to carry hydrogen from the takeoff.

Speaker 2 (14:23):
To me hydrogen in the hydrocarbon.

Speaker 1 (14:25):
Yeah, so how are they doing in this theory? Here?

Speaker 2 (14:31):
Is the catalytic cracking is that if you've got thermic
catalytic cracking, let let's say you've got iron and basically
you are able to crack say propane, which is what
what Klimov was using in these systems into hydrogen and
carbon carbon and so you get you end up with

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your hydrogen. And hydrogen is beautiful because it has no
binding energy in its nucleon. Why because it doesn't have
any nucleons. That's proteum that is just a single proton.
So there's no binding energy to pull it apart. It's
already a thing you can work with. It itself has
its own to royal moment, and as an H star

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that is atomic hydrogen. When it's not as an H two,
then it has a magnetic moment, and so does a proton.
So proton and a proton with electron have magnetic moments.
H two doesn't. But it means if you've got a
magneto hydrodynamic structure, magneto magneto magnetic moment, it can be
pulled in and used as fuel. And it's absolutely critical

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with that and oxygen because oxygen sixteen and oxygen ozone
and atomic oxygen all are paramagnetic as well, and so
they are uniquely paramagnetic. So oxygen and hydrogen pulling that in,
you actually have a ready fuel source right there in

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the air.

Speaker 1 (15:58):
Oh yeah, so I mean, let me pull us back
up again. I think we're cracking it right here. So
this is this is actually from the AJAX. This is
from the Russia's secret hypersonic plane in like the seventies,
and they basically he says right here, this part is
probably very meaningful and probably viable. The next part is
MHD energy bypass. This is perhaps the most controversial part.

(16:21):
An MHD energy or generator extracts energy from the air
upstream of the scramjet combustor. Energy by let me finish.
This energy bypasses the combustor and is put back into
the flow via the MHD accelerated place downstream of the combustor.
Go ahead.

Speaker 2 (16:41):
So just before we get into this, early on in
my experience working with learned in your Reactions, I got
a message and I'm kind of like, yeah, if someone
wants to talk to me, let's do it. And this
guy seemed to be fairly serious in military circles or whatever.
I actually can't remember, but I could look through him

(17:01):
on materials and find out who it was. He invited
me to a meeting with him. Thought all right, fine,
and I actually paid to go to a hotel in
West London I think it was or whatever. And I
didn't know really what he wanted to talk about. I
thought it was about knowing to nuclear reactions. And you
know what, I went out sat down with him for
a few hours. He wanted to talk about scramjits. Okay,

(17:27):
yeat's see there we go.

Speaker 1 (17:29):
Why would you want to talk about scram jets. Oh well,
it turns out air breathing magneto hydrodynamics scram jets are
using this crazy like upstream energy extraction. I mean, doesn't
this read like they're just pulling the fuel right out
of the air? Is that reason?

Speaker 2 (17:45):
The thing is about soloton. It moves material out a ring, soloton,
a vortex soloton, a ring, you know, like a smoke ring.
It moves things out of its forward path, hauls it round,
and it actually goes up its arms and it actually
feeds the process. So you have a ready fuel right
in front of you all the time you're moving forward, okay,

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And it is the thing that moves you forward. And
so if you have a magneto hydrodynamic structure and it's
able to disassemble that matter, and I guess in front
of you are going to have things like nitrogen, oxygen
and a little bit of water vapor, you literally have
fuel ready to work with.

Speaker 1 (18:26):
I mean, this sounds like exactly what we're seeing with
those orbs. Perhaps the most basic problem with MHD bypass,
pointed out by doctor Riggins, is that the power the
propulsion power cycle runs direction opposite to that dictated by thermodynamics. Indeed,
any thermodynamic correct heat into power conversion cycle has work
addition prior to heat addition, and the work extraction follows

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from the preheat a edition. This is why air is
compressed upstream of a combustor in all normal propulsion cycles,
whether the compressor in a turbojet or a compression ramp
upstream of the scramjet combustor. In this sense, MHD power
extract before enter air enters the scramjet combustor, followed by
MSG power addition after the combustor constitutes a thermodynamically quote

(19:08):
unquote wrong and thus inferior propulsion systems. But then basically
says that even though this doesn't seem like it should
be a real thing that we can do, that it
actually is going to end up working out. And so
if this is true, they found a way to basically
unconventionally reverse the thermodynamic process in an engine, right. I mean,

(19:31):
they're pulling energy from the air in front of them,
and they're using it and then they're re I don't
even know if they're even adding the energy back, they're
using that energy. It seems like as part of.

Speaker 2 (19:43):
Yeah, but are we missing something that might actually be
gaining of other energy forms. That is to say, if
it disassembles some of the protons in the water, vapor
in the air, or it fuses those with oxygen. We've
observed in Benja and Hwang experiment which I published with

(20:03):
Binder and Haang in Nature January twenty twenty four, and
we've seen that then you're getting a huge fusion gain.
If you are talking about disassembling the protons that are
available in the air or the atoms, you're talking about
a much larger game. And this is what these systems

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appear to do. They appear to disassemble matter. So you've
basically got as much energy as you could possibly want,
and you only need to have an extremely inefficient process
to give you a huge gain, much more than you're
going to get from any chemical Now, what do I
mean by that? If you take two hydrogen bonds, that's

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basically the most energy you're going to get out of
any normal chemical reaction. So the two hydrogen monotomic hydrogen
atomic hydrohen you fuse those to H two, that's the
most chemical energy and you're talking less than a round
four and a half electron volts. Right. If you disassemble
the proton. You're getting nine hundred and thirty eight million

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electron folts. So you only need to do that once
in a blue moon, and you're getting far far more
energy per proton than you are fro taking two protons
and chemically bonding. Wow.

Speaker 1 (21:21):
So you're saying they found a way where it's way, way,
way more efficient than.

Speaker 2 (21:29):
Why yeah, wait, it's one hundred it's over one hundred
and fifty times more energy per nucleon infusion.

Speaker 1 (21:36):
See that sounds exactly what Tom Bearden was saying about
tickling the vacuum is that he speaks to this idea
of adding a little bit of energy in to get
into this process to get this huge amount of energy
back out, and we have to be looking for something
that's completely unconventional to our standard way of thinking. And
then boom there you go. Oh, by the way, there's

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this scramjet like reverse endo thermic process that they've figured
out where they're sucking the energy in. Wow, that's incredible.
Let me ask you just to change gears a little bit.
So I want to go back to the fusion reactor stuff,
because the more I read and learn about this, the
more I'm like what is going on with this, like
public Fusion push. I just saw these promos for Commonwealth

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Fusion talking about they're building their new tokemac and these
three companies just released their papers for new stelerator designs
all at the same time. One of them is funded
by Bill Gates and I'm sitting there going them was just.

Speaker 2 (22:34):
One of them.

Speaker 1 (22:35):
Honestly, they might all.

Speaker 2 (22:36):
Be funded by friends and buddies of Bill Gates exactly.

Speaker 1 (22:41):
And this is really important to bring up because even
when Sabine Hasenfelder is on doing YouTube and she's noticing
that this doesn't make any sense. So she's going, these
are private companies. Why are they just all publicly releasing
their designs all at the same time. You know, It's
almost like they have something better behind the scenes. And
I just there go. I'm looking at, you know, these
balls of plasma that might be using this endothermic stuff,

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and I'm going they had to have figured this out
like a long time ago. Now, would mean that all
this stuff publicly is just like a show. It's just
all fake.

Speaker 2 (23:10):
Right.

Speaker 1 (23:10):
They're like, Okay, we're going to roll out the next
version of the iPhone in twenty twenty seven, and now
the next version is gonna be in twenty twenty eight, right,
but they could be jumping like weaps and bounds ahead,
but it's all just scheduled, like, Okay, first Tokamac reactors
will be in thirty five to forty, and then we'll
go to the stellar Rader design, and then by twenty
two point fifty we'll finally give them the real fusion
that we had back in twenty twenty five. You know

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what it is, in your opinion, you know.

Speaker 2 (23:32):
What it is. It's hope. The last thing that's left
in Pandora's box. Hope is something. It's an evil because
hope stops people from motivating themselves to solve the problems
that they could solve themselves if they clubbed together and
try to solve it themselves. If you hope someone else
is going to come in and save you, you think, well,

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why should I waste my time doing that? These people
are going to come and save me. And what it
does is it buys you more time with the current
nonsense that you're trying to sell. You say, in fifty years, sorry,
in twenty years, we're going to have fusion. In twenty years,
we're gonna have fusion. Every twenty years, you just jump
a generation and you keep giving this hope act, this
evil of hope, and you don't find a solution, and

(24:15):
the people that could find a solution go off and
do other things because they think someone's got that in hair.
So I think that's the main point here. Now, have
they got something else? I would be disappointed, honestly if
they haven't. If the kind of money that has been
spent on research, if they couldn't find out what's frankly obvious,

(24:36):
if you try and just look at nature, then I
would think they didn't really hire the brightest buttons that
they could have done basically. And it's a little bit
weird because it does look like there's a concerted push
and it reminds me of the early years of the
Martin Weisman Memorial Project, where every time we would have
a major announcement or something that we've been able to

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replicate or so forthw guys would also have a press
release and every time someone typed in fusion, it would
come up with their work rather than as it's lately,
their pencil budget is probably more than we've spent in
our entire time doing research, so that they could always
have these things that flood the wires with the topic

(25:19):
of fusion, and they're always the top lists. So it's
a bit weird.

Speaker 1 (25:24):
I mean, it feels very manufactured. And I think that
you what comes hand in hand with this cover up
of this fusion energy and breakthrough energy sources is obviously
a very very orchestrated and implemented plan to dumb people
down to not understand this science, because otherwise it wouldn't

(25:46):
be possible to hide major breakthroughs in science like that.
And that's the part where I think people will have
a very very hard time accepting, you know, is that
for that to be true, we have to be living
in essentially a manufact actured reality where we're basically NPC's
in a video game where someone's playing the sims and
they're deciding like when they're going to put down the
next thing, you know, when they're going to level up

(26:09):
to the next tea.

Speaker 2 (26:11):
I described this as really most of humanity are puppets
on the string, and it's just terrible to think that,
but it is in my view true that they're always
deferring to experts, they're never really choosing to think themselves.
For the most part. And I know there's people that
follow you and that follow my work who really do think.

(26:32):
And I've had even people today writing to me with
recent things I've said and said, why isn't this taught
in schools. I'm starting to realize that, you know, things
aren't as I thought they were. And that is difficult
for someone because once someone learns what they think is
the truth, they don't have to go through the effort
of learning that it isn't. It's even harder than learning

(26:55):
the first time, and so you have to indoctrinate eight
people as soon as possible with the falsehood, and then
you're pretty much good to go for the rest of
the life. I think there's the Jewish people they say,
give me your boy, and I'll give you your man
back at seven.

Speaker 1 (27:15):
I'm not going to touch that one, just because there's
various topics. I can't even despite.

Speaker 2 (27:19):
What I'm just saying. It's like, if you have convinced
a person that this is the way the universe is,
even by the age of seven, they will carry that
through to their death.

Speaker 1 (27:28):
Absolutely absolutely. And you know, it's easier to fool someone
than to convince them that they have been fooled. I
know that more than most people out there. Sorry, what
I've been pushing out there absolutely easier to fool people.
And I think that's the big thing too, is that
you have to look at this from what lessons do
we need to learn? It turns out this is going
to even be bigger than like free energy, because we
have to learn to think for ourselves. That's the hardest lesson, right,

(27:53):
Like you said, I would say, I don't even know
what percentage of people, but well over fifty percent of people.

Speaker 2 (27:58):
I think we've learned. I think we've learned how many
in the last few years.

Speaker 1 (28:02):
Yeah, they're exactly like you described as the people that
have been And it's not really their own fault, but
it's just very.

Speaker 2 (28:08):
Much humans are lazy. They tried to get as much
as possible for their least amount of effort. They don't
even understand how someone could be really, really wealthy when
they've worked very hard. Oh sorry, they work really hard,
but yeah, but I think I work very hard, So
why am I not wealthy? You know, it's also about
efficiency and so it is difficult. It's not their fault

(28:34):
and I constantly say this is not their faulty. You
grow up in a family and you say your parents
know the world, and then you go out into the
world and you have all these different perspectives on how
to live a life and stuff. When you thought the
one that your parents were teaching you was the way
to live a life, or the people that were at school,
or the people in your church, or the people in

(28:55):
your community, and you go to a different part of
the world and they literally have a completely different way
of thinking about life, and just that alone should teach
people to think for themselves.

Speaker 1 (29:07):
Did you see? And I totally agree, And I just
keep thinking about, like, how do we break that down?
And I think it's you know, this is a propaganda
war and we have to use every avenue that we find,
which includes whenever this information is presented on major podcasts.
And so I won't know if you saw like the
hal Pudolph and Sunny White discussions with Joe Rogan, because

(29:29):
the part with me that blew me away. I mean,
I felt like both those guys are definitely controlled disclosure.
They're not gonna they know more than what they're saying
on that.

Speaker 2 (29:39):
But I think the Sunny White was the more important one.
I showed a small semiconductor which shows the process and
it's scale invariant. So he was basically saying, look, this
can be done, and it only takes a little leap
of faith rather than not even faith, just concept in
your mind to think, well, it can be done on

(30:00):
this scale. It should be able to be done much larger.
Now there I have one caveat with that. The larger
structures are built fractally from smaller structures. The smaller structures
are more stable, and I can go into why that is.
But they the larger you make them, it relies on
the overall coherence of the quanta that are smaller, and

(30:22):
so making small makes sense actually.

Speaker 1 (30:26):
And that's where So just to reiterate there, because I
think we didn't hit the exactly what we were talking about,
which was that Sunny White showed a free energy microchip
concept to Joe Rogan. I call it free energy, but
technically the way they're saying is absorbing energy from the
quantum vacuum. That's that's the resource that it's using. It
is what they say. But it's a free energy microchip.
I mean it's producing energy from nothing. Okay, so you

(30:49):
can perceive yeah, nothing we can work from basically, so yes,
and it's it's got to be scaled down because the
Casmir effect gets stronger and stronger and stronger the closer
the plates come together. So what Bob is saying is
that the smaller it gets, the more powerful the effect is. Therefore,
the more force we can get, the more energy. But
then you also want to scale it back up after

(31:11):
you've gotten it down to your microchip at the ty
these tiny scales where you have to use an electron
microscope to even see how tiny they are, then you
need to scale it back up. But it's not just
as simple as like, oh, okay, make it the exact
same thing, but bigger. It's like, now you have to
take it into account like the overall shape and design
of the array, of the microchip array itself, and like

(31:32):
how do you line everything up, et cetera. So there
are additional layers to the process.

Speaker 2 (31:37):
And then the other interesting thing is it will likely
be producing a propulsive force as well.

Speaker 1 (31:42):
Yeah, and that's what's funny is that when you learn
about free energy or zero point energy, you learn that
there are three effects that are just tied to each other.
They are because they all are produced from the same
exact zero point energy. One of them is the free energy,
because you're just extracting energy from the quantum vacuum. But
when you do that, you change the local gravity. So
when you change the local gravity, you're gonna get a

(32:03):
propulsive force in whatever direction related to that extraction. And
that's what Sonny White was showing that. That was the
craziest part about his interview is he goes, oh, let me,
let me say the third thing is you get temperature change.
You're gonna get a temperature drop because you're pulling energy
out of the vacuum. So you get those two things.
But then Sonny White has this weird cover story about, oh,
I was doing this darper project to make this microchip,

(32:26):
and we just decided to see if it looks like
a warp bubble.

Speaker 2 (32:28):
What you just.

Speaker 1 (32:30):
Decided to do a side project while you were let's
just see if it looks like a warp bubble. Wasn't
part of the plan, but it just turned out to
exactly look like a real warp bubble. And they designed
the microchip like it looks like a little warp engine too.
Like the little microchip design looks like a little warp drive.
I'm going, okay, what's going on here, man? Something This
is bizarre. So not only did he show a free

(32:52):
energy microchip, but he was connecting it directly. The idea
of that is negative energy too, that that extraction of
energy is negative energy that you would use for your
warper bubble. So just like you said, he tied the
idea of free energy warp drive together without anyone even
blinking an eye at that. And that's why people are going, Ashton,
why don't you go build something and go Joe Rogan

(33:13):
held a free energy microchip in his hand last week
and the world didn't even blink about it.

Speaker 2 (33:17):
And again, this is a story of hope. So you
think Sunny White's got this. The US have got it,
so we don't need to worry about it because they're
going to give it to us next week. You might
not see that in a commercial technology in twenty thirty years.
We have to take charge of this ourselves. And I
had a guy called stoy and sarkerchip. He was one

(33:38):
of the few people to replicate the hunches and effects,
and he also created an enclosed electrostatic propulsion device on
a pendulum. You can go and see videos of his work.
But he taught me one thing that all energy comes
from luring the distortion of the physical vacuum. So it
doesn't matter whether you're jo taking two hydrogen tom hydroens

(34:00):
and you're fusing them together, they will distort the physical
vacuum less than the two atomic hydroens the H two
molecule will. If you're taking two deuterons and you are
fusing them at nuclear fusion to a helium atom, that
distorts the physical vacuum even less. But you know what
distorts the vacuum even less than fusing those just converting

(34:23):
them into photons. There's low distortion. It's just a wave
that comes out. And if you can convert them into
photons and electrons, you have usable electrons which you can
put to use, and photons can do ionization, and they
can also be used in the photoelectric effect to create
extra electrons to feed the thing that's doing the work.

(34:45):
So there's nothing less than there's nothing more less that
distorts the physical vacuum less than taking matter apart.

Speaker 1 (34:56):
And you know that reminds me of another aspect of it,
which is this transduction from thermal energy to electrical energy.
Apparently it's a well, I mean, well, let's say thermoelectric
generator basically, yeah, thermal electric generation. Like I guess, I

(35:16):
just don't see a lot about it in the commercial world,
but it does certainly exists. It's known about it. I guess.

Speaker 2 (35:21):
I would say you can use it in reverse to
make cloud chamber. You put power through it and it
pulls energy out, so you can make you know.

Speaker 1 (35:29):
We generally think about using electricity to make or change temperature,
but we generally don't think about using temperature changes to
make electricity. And I just think that's interesting.

Speaker 2 (35:37):
No no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, we do.
That's the basic basis of the Carno cycle. So essentially,
you have a hot area and a cold area and
you have a heat flux, and this allows you to
create power. This is the whole basis of a power station.
You have hot steam, You've got to have a cold
cooling tower. And in the process that flux going from
the hot side and the high pressure steam to the

(36:00):
low precious steam goes through turbines and it's that's that's
the whole basis for creating power in many many sense.
Is the thermo electric generator is kind of just a
semiconductor that sits between a hot side and cold side
and it generates direct electricity from them.

Speaker 1 (36:16):
So definitely that scramjet idea has solid merit for sure,
and that's the thing that for me, it's like that
what I was trying to get there is you did
exactly what I want, is that I would connect the
idea that really temperature change and electricity are much more
closely connected than I would have just conceptually thought as
somebody without understanding the science there. So it makes that

(36:37):
a lot more possible in my mind. Now going back
to the microstrip real quick, there's another one too, which
is not just sunny white, which is why that blew
me away. So that there's also a Casmir cavity by
Garrett Modele and Bernard hash Is who he's working with
as well, from former lockey mode.

Speaker 2 (36:52):
Very funny because Bernard hash is a colleague of how
put Off.

Speaker 1 (36:56):
And as you realize all these people are connected, like
this world is so much smaller than I thought. I
just there's a.

Speaker 2 (37:02):
Photo with John Hutcheson in his lap and when I'm
I worked with and do work with one of the
researchers who's developed one of the reactors for ng gate,
which is the direct electricity generator that's been verified by
John Paul Bavarian. He's he writes the Convience Matter Nucleo
Science Journal. And this guy is called Dr George Eagley

(37:25):
and he's right for it. One of the world's experts,
if not the words world expert in ball lightning. And
it was Bernard hash that came to visit him in Hungary.

Speaker 1 (37:37):
It's a small world. It's like the same people. That's
why when people are like actually the funny bars, no
one ever says, like Ashton, why do you think how
Kudav's the final boss? Like everybody just knows, like, yeah,
he obviously must be the final boss. He's like literally
connected to everything.

Speaker 2 (37:49):
About seven years ago I put him in the middle
of a mind map and I just connected literally everything
about everything with Albert.

Speaker 1 (37:56):
There's nobody else that can even be the person, like
he's got to be like MJ twelve, number one guy
in the secret organization or whatever is going on.

Speaker 2 (38:04):
Immense respect for the guy, and.

Speaker 1 (38:06):
Yeah respect, I mean to be in that kind of position,
I mean, what a life I'd love to have just
been like on a fly on the wall.

Speaker 2 (38:12):
It's also walking a knife bitch, isn't it? Like? What
can you say this week? What can't you say?

Speaker 1 (38:16):
You? I mean, how can you imagine living your life
every day like having to determine, like what's the stuff
I can say publicly versus the stuff I have to
keep compartmentalized. And I can never even like reference this
that is alone. I don't know if I could do that.

Speaker 2 (38:29):
I love the ability in an open project to say
exactly what we're doing all the time and never have
to think about what I can't say. He has to,
but he went further on Joe Rogan. I don't know
if you want to touch on what he said, but
he went He went expanded on a few things that
he hadn't really gone into as much detail before. So
I love the communications.

Speaker 1 (38:48):
The quantum communication one was the most interesting one for
me because, like we were saying about the small world,
he referenced that he had put his quantum communication device
on the back burner. And I've been talking about that
thing for a while, and I'm sure that there's a
classified version of that that the military has been using
our defense contractor, and the one that he's got is
just a public one where like maybe they don't they

(39:10):
don't have the material science publicly to do it, but
privately they had the material stat In nineties.

Speaker 2 (39:14):
I can't remember who it was, but someone was saying
when they were doing some discharges or whatever that would
produce these kind of ball structures, someone came down and
there was like black Hawk helicopters and they turned up
and they said, you've got to stop doing this, and
the he was suggesting that the reason he had to
stop doing is because it was messing up the secure

(39:37):
communication technology. Okay, I have to remember someone out there.
You'll find that story. That is a story, and it exists,
you'll find it.

Speaker 1 (39:46):
But yeah, so I think he's had it. And then
he was saying, well, now I'm coming back to it
after thirty years because now the material science is caught up.
And that was crazy because I was watching one of
those APEX things where Gary Stevenson was saying that he
was working on a quant some like gravity wave microchip
with Dave Rossi actually, and they reference that how put
Off might be interested in it. So I'm sitting there

(40:07):
going wow, Okay, like everybody's connected behind the scenes. And like,
what's what is going on here? In my mind, what's
happening is that the defense contractors have had these like
free energy microchips, all this stuff, the ball lightning stuff,
everything for decades, and the very engineers that built that
stuff for them are the ones that are publicly patenting
and working on the stuff now and just like plain

(40:27):
dumb about it, like, oh yeah, we're working on these microchips.
Because the reason why I say that is they don't
act like people act. That would be, they don't act
like Energy eight people do. The n G eight people
are desperate to get their stuff out there. They're marketing.
Sonny White shows up to Joe Rogan casually with the
free energy microchip, doesn't even like promote it, doesn't even
say as a free energy microchip, just like this.

Speaker 2 (40:48):
You can go and find out about it here.

Speaker 1 (40:51):
He's not he's not trying to sell it. He already
knows it works.

Speaker 2 (40:54):
He hasn't even got all the buy exactly. They've already
got more than any one else could be exactly.

Speaker 1 (41:02):
So it's just like, I don't know, this is I
hope people are enjoying this conversation because I think it's
a glimpse behind the curtain from two people here who
are pretty in the know. I think that this at
this point of how this all is happening behind the scenes.
So let me ask you that in terms of all
these we've talked about a lot of different companies and
different not just cold fusion but also now free energy
microchip concept, what do you think is the closest and

(41:22):
what do you think the timeframe is for some of
this stuff to actually be public commercialized, Because I don't
think we're looking at fifty years on some of this stuff.
I mean that free energy microchip thing that's in the
public now. If they don't commercialize it soon, somebody else
is going to. So what are your thoughts.

Speaker 2 (41:37):
I think what you're looking at right now is a
panic by the powers that have this technology to find
a way to roll it out with a story, a
kava story that means that everyone doesn't get it for
free because we're at like So, there's there's a very
controversial figure who a good friend of mine was the

(41:57):
first investor into call Andre Rossi, and he's been trying
to solve the energy problem. He actually developed one of
these and leg yeah, the ACAT guy. So he legitimately
developed a technology for creating biodiesel out of you know,
chip that and things like that. Way back I think
in the seventies or eighties or something. He actually did

(42:20):
do that, and there was some issue with the mafia
or whatever because it was their their gig to dump
this stuff at wherever they dumped it, and he was
getting this stuff and then whatever. He ended up in jail,
and he used his time in jail to study all
the cold fusion papers and he came out with a
you know, a supposed technology in twenty eleven. That's actually

(42:42):
why I started to re engage with the field. So
whether he had it or not, it was an important
time and an important thing for him to do, because
every single member of the MFMP we went to South
Korea and set that up. He's recently done a test
at the end of last year, I think it was
in November where he took a Renaut Twizzy. This is
this kind of like single seat kind of well you

(43:04):
can have another one behind, but little electric vehicle. And
it started off with something like I'm going to not
get this right, but one of them had most there
was two cars basically the same car. One was had
like supposedly nearly something like ninety percent charge and it
did around about seventy kilometers. The other one had about

(43:26):
thirty percent charge. And this ECA device and at the
end of it it did over two hundred kilometers, so
nearly three times the distance. But it had gone from
thirty percent charged to about eighty five percent charge, so
it'd actually been charging whilst it did three times the range.
The other one completely run out. Now there's questions as
to whether this is real or not. But and there's

(43:48):
also I have questions because I think the fact that
the paper that he refers to as the the how
this occurs was actually written by a third party principally,
and I think I know who it is. However, he
is correct in fact, there is some kind of coherence

(44:09):
being formed. He quotes since I made him aware of them.
The Lockheed Martin pattern for coherent matter wave beams that
is quoted in his writings also ent the work of
Ken Shoulders, And I think what is happening. He is
creating coherent electrons. There is a phase change in the

(44:29):
process of you know, producing this structure. And remember what
I was saying earlier, All energy is derived from reducing
the distortion of the physical vacuum. If you have one electron,
it distorts a certain amount of physical vacuum. If you
have two and they become a Cooper pair, they have
a certain amount that they distort the physical vacuum. But

(44:50):
once you've got a Cooper pair, that can become a
Bose Einstein condensate because the Cooper pair is a boson
and they can occupy the same space type. So for
every Cooper pair you add to the condensite, you are
reducing the distortion of the physical vacuum. So you gain
energy through that process. And so it's it's it's pretty

(45:13):
amazing to think about.

Speaker 1 (45:14):
And wait, hold on, step. You can create Cooper pairs
through superconductivity and just stack them. Yeah yeah, so okay,
well yes, I mean to me, the way I look
at super connective, we use Cooper pairs to explain the
concept of superconductivity is how it's possible, and you know,
because we can't actually see that happening, but that's the idea. So,

(45:36):
but bosons are meaning that things can stack onto the
same point in space and time. Yeah, which would then
mean you could stack things just like a laser stack
them up, stack them up, stack them up. Yeah, and
then so if that's the case, then this then speaks
to the charge cluster concepts of ken shoulders.

Speaker 2 (45:54):
And absolutely and so you can't ken shoulders. Talked about
how you can get elect and they have their individual
charge of minuswan. He talks about muons, which have a
charge of two hundred and seven. So mass are two
hundred and seven times the massive an electron, and you
have towns which is like three thy seven hundred, but
they all possess a single negative charge. Now, he says,

(46:19):
you can create structures that have got billions of effective
electrons in there, but they still only have one negative charge.
And you've got to imagine that that must be because
they become some sort of fractally similar structure of the
electron itself. They are self similar structure. The charge is
coming from the configuration of the overall movement in space

(46:40):
time rather than the actual individual structure itself.

Speaker 1 (46:44):
And the Bose Einstein condency. It seems like like a
lot of people be like, well, what is a Bose
Einstein conden say, because it's not even really properly defined.
You see the words thrown around all the time. I
consider it almost like the fifth state of matter, Like
go beyond plasma to this coherence where you start to
see structured shapes on the macroscale. That's what I call it,

(47:06):
where they're really coherence is the best word for it.
Where normally things would just kind of dissipate and be random,
but you're seeing things kind of come together and act
together all at one. Well, how would you define like
this Bose Einstein kind?

Speaker 2 (47:18):
Essentially an electron is a fermion. So without going to
the yy why why why that they can't occupy the
same space time. But when you create a Cooper pair,
they pay up in such a way that they act
as a boson, which then means you can occupy the

(47:40):
same space time with more of those. And what happens
then you have the wave function wave description of that
matter is able to overlay with another one in a
self similar state when they're at the same kinetic energy.

Speaker 1 (47:53):
So that's what the is that a coherent matter wave being.

Speaker 2 (47:57):
That's exactly the description of coherent matter wall actually look at.
But if you look at that pattern, they don't give
credit to ken shoulders, but they have a spike HIGHDIDT
discharge which goes into some ten micron chambers, and that
along with a magnetic field, and the aaronhoff Bomb effect
allows for the electrons to form these Cooper pairs and

(48:19):
then for those Cooper pairs to end up the same
kinetic energy. Now, a cooper pair of electrons will have
a wave function, is a broadly wave function that changes
with its kinetic energy. So the whole point of the
aaronhoff Bomb effect is to get them in phase like
a laser and in the same energy, so they have
the same wave function which can overlay each other. Then

(48:39):
they can all occupy the same space time, and then
they can then bleed that out and producer mattterwavebeat. Now
the interesting thing is their actual structure that they show.
I think it's in Fig. Three. In that pattern is
a bucky ball like structure. So they're saying it's a
coherent matter. But the overall coherent matter starts to fall

(49:01):
into spherical like objects, and.

Speaker 1 (49:04):
The buggy balls, I think those weren't those. The rubidium
atoms that they super froze down to like.

Speaker 2 (49:11):
Is a formation of carbon, like a carbon sixty sphere.
Water can do the same thing. And if water can
do it and carbon can do it. Then you could
imagine that other material could form into these clusters of
coherent matter. So if you're arguing that it's self similar,
then why can't it be made even bigger? So can
you get these little chambers producing this coherent matter wave

(49:33):
and produce a very large ball of coherent matter? And
then you're into a really interesting topic.

Speaker 1 (49:39):
Yeah, did you see? I think it was. I'm trying
to make sure I've got the right link here. Charles Chase,
who is he? Target? Is this apec? I can't remember
which thing I found this, but Charles Chase is the
guy that he and the other guy were the ones
who created that pattern, that coherent matterwave being patterned and
the other guy.

Speaker 2 (50:00):
I see they had to separate presentation.

Speaker 1 (50:03):
You recent like just a few months ago, that this
presentation by Charles Chase, he all of a sudden out
of nowhere. So to put together what we're what I'm
putting down here, what Bob is putting down is that
the coherent matter way being patent is the missing link
to all this like and I didn't understand how important
it was until I saw the Charles Chase demonstration. I

(50:25):
could tell it was because this idea of like getting
everything down to a single point is very important for
an idea of teleportation or a quantum mechanics, et cetera.
But then this presentation by Charles Chase. The first thing
he does is he basically just takes a shot at
Academia and he goes people have said all this stuff
is impossible forever, all these famous people, they've always been wrong.

(50:46):
In fact, the best story was that this Nobel laureate,
Peter Debbe, told the guy that invented the LCD screen,
George Haillmyer, that it was impossible to make an LCD screen,
And he didn't tell him that he had already literally
produced it because it was protected under proprietary stuff for
the company that he built it with. Right, so you

(51:07):
have a little Nobel prize when you're saying stuff can
ever happen, planes can never fly, I will never talk through.

Speaker 2 (51:11):
Voice through wires do when you've got the hand, you're
saying what I've already got is impossible. Then someone else
produces it and they go, oh, look I've got it here.

Speaker 1 (51:21):
This is my favorite. I'm just going to read this
one because he just takes a shot at Sean Carroll.
Here Sean Carroll direct quote from Sean Carroll. There's something
called the warp drive. There are extra dimensions, there is
a Casmir effect, and there is dark energy. All of
these things are true, but there is zero chance that
anyone within our lifetimes or the next one thousand years
are going to build anything that makes use of any
of these ideas for defense purposes or anything like that. Well,

(51:45):
Sean Carroll, bad news. They already have done it, just
like the LCD screen, They've already done it. Made you
look like a fool. But here's the thing about the presentation,
because then he talks about the actual microchip and I'm like, okay, well,
now we're going to learn what this thing is really
used for because we can only speculate based on these
vague descriptions in the patent, right, And he just straight

(52:07):
up says it. It's a million times more powerful than
a laser. It can transport matter at a distance. What
I mean, like, what does that actually mean? And I
forget the third one. I'll try to pull it up.
But when you look at these concepts, it's like, Okay,
this thing is this is the missing link. This is

(52:29):
what you would need to make a bowseeines condensate and
you can use it, oh for material manufacturing as well.
You can use this to make microchips at the atomic scale,
so because you can shoot single atoms at a time
onto a microchip, so you could theorectally use this for
that as well. But the thing that could be a
million times more powerful than a laser that stuck out

(52:50):
to me because if I want to make something that
can bend space time, I need something that's even more
powerful than the most powerful lasers we have if I
want to do it easily. Well, honestly, million tundel parafle.

Speaker 2 (53:01):
Honestly, Ashton, I think that's being conservative. I think we
can talk about billion times more that might be where
they are, and they're pretending they're only that far, but
they're all already on the billions of times. So this
is the reason. On my blog at remote View, do
I see you? It was the first blog article that

(53:22):
I had on that patent and also talking about Tom
Beard and that that was it was a watershed moment,
mostly because it was the first time that I come
across anyone ever discussing the fact that you can make
coherent matter at any temperature. Yeah, so that is actually
on the front page or its figure two in the patent,

(53:46):
the one that's at the top there. The ten microns,
that's what I was describing earlier. So, yeah, the cathode
and its ten microns.

Speaker 1 (53:53):
Of people realize how small this is. One micron cathode,
like this is very very very small. We're talking about
the size of viruses now.

Speaker 2 (54:01):
Yeah, So you see down the bottom it has a
bee with a arrow. That is the magnetic field, and
that is how with those cavities it can force coherence
and the phase synchronization and energy synchronization using the Ara
and hof Quom effect. So that's what it is, and
the image in there. They actually specifically focus on the

(54:25):
fact that most people think you can't create a Bose
Einstein condensate from electrons because they're fermions. But what they
then go on to say is that in this system
you can, and they focus on creating a beam of
coherent electrons.

Speaker 1 (54:41):
I mean, this is wild, right there, fermion Bose Einstein
exactly right.

Speaker 2 (54:46):
I mean it's starting with it's a bit they're missing
the point that it actually becomes a boson, and then
the boson becomes the condensate. But what you're looking at
in the center is a very interesting thing. Sorry, that
that little peak thorn on there. That is a condensate.
And the interesting thing about condensate is a condensate can
have the same wave function through that entire diagram, yet

(55:09):
there can be more of the same thing in the
center where it's rich. That's the density of the same thing. Okay,
it's weird, and this is actually the.

Speaker 1 (55:19):
Thing.

Speaker 2 (55:20):
Yeah, but there can be more of the same thing
in different places. So like with relict utretas, for instance,
there is more of the relic trati a condensate near
the Sun and the Earth and the Moon than there
is in free space, but they all share the same
wave function. It's very weird to think about.

Speaker 1 (55:35):
Yeah, Doctor moa Arman is the other one. And so
this also right here, says uses the aeronof Bom effect,
which is a real fact that science doesn't really accept
or like just won't acknowledge, I guess. But to me,
when I look at this, what do I see happening here?
Just visually and imaginatively, what I see happening is vibration.
We're vibrating everything to get it all into one point.

(55:56):
And that's what you see in this peak here down
at the bottoms. You've seen this peak because we're fogging
seen everything on to a single point where previously was
a fermion, now it's a boson. And now when we
do that, we stack up the energy. And I agree
with you when he says one million times down here,
I think he's being quiet. I mean we're talking levels
of This is the secret right here.

Speaker 2 (56:13):
This is how you says one million times more powerful
than the laser? Which laser?

Speaker 1 (56:17):
Yeah? Which one is that? The ad or second laser?
Because if so, now we're talking about energy levels that
are just ridiculous, absolutely ridiculous.

Speaker 2 (56:24):
Because and that matter itself has far more energy in
a photon is just kind of like a propagation of
a solo tom let's say, through the ether. And and
this is actual physical matter that's got embedded energy in it.
It's got mass, so this is already wrapped energy that
you're firing. And there's a coherent matter way.

Speaker 1 (56:45):
Yeah, and the atomic scale manufacturing this even goes beyond
like probably microchips. In my opinion, when he's typing that
out there, he's thinking like Star Trek replicator stuff, because
that's really.

Speaker 2 (56:56):
Ken Shoulders talks about this that you can get evos
to go in and copy the pattern of an entire thing.
So he's referring to something that I was told about
on my course at university. And I'm fifty three this
year when i was twenty years old, so that is
twenty three years ago, right, and that was building up
things atom by atom. So I was told that this

(57:19):
was being investigated twenty three years ago. Twenty three or
thirty three, it's thirty three years ago. Oh my god,
I'll leave that there. What Ken Schulders talks about is
that evos can go in and they can get the
whole pattern of something, and then if you energize that
whole pattern, you then have a coherent matter wave that

(57:39):
is the pattern of the entire thing. Then all you
need to do is separate those versions of themselves and
then you get an instant of it's called instant ing.
In three D visualization, you can take an object and
rather than building another object and having that in memory,
you actually have one object and you translate that in

(58:02):
the render engine. This is what I'm talking about. Ken
Shoulders was suggesting you can create an entire quantum coherent
copy and then you energize that. So you have it
super energized, and then you separate the copies that are
in that copy, you have like a whole wave function
of the entire Let's say Ashton Forbes. We need more

(58:22):
Ashton Forts because there isn't enough Ashton fors right, So
we put that pattern in there and we clone it.
He also said that this is one where you can teleport,
because what you can do is you can create the
pattern of something, and then you move the pattern, and
then you destroy the original. Of course, it's not spiritually
good to leave the original as well as the copy, because.

Speaker 1 (58:43):
There sounds like the Prestige. You know, Dogmount, you ever
seen the movie The Prestige.

Speaker 2 (58:48):
Well, his ideas on teleportation, be Ken Shoulders, came before
the Prestige.

Speaker 1 (58:55):
Yeah, yeah, I mean I know, but I just wanted
to saying, is that the prestige? Right? Like, so spoiler people,
everybody turn it off. You don't want to listen Gene
Hackman's or not in Gene Hackman, But what's his face? Wolverine?
His character teleports, He teleports, and you find out the
bigger reveal is he's not actually teleport. He's creating a

(59:16):
copy of himself, and he has to kill one of
the two of himself every time, So he drowns one
of the two of himself every time, so he doesn't
have to like physically do it to you know, prevent
there from being these duplicates out there. So, man, I
really hope that's not where this goes. I'm ready for
some dark stuff, but I don't know if I want
to have weird bizarro duplicate versions of myself and other

(59:37):
people all out there.

Speaker 2 (59:38):
Well, it's okay if you're making food.

Speaker 1 (59:42):
Yeah, I mean, if they're if they're gonna be night person,
but you know, I think that they're going to probably
rebel after some point period of time.

Speaker 2 (59:48):
You know, Ken Charlders and John Hutchinson they spent a
week with the writers of Star Trek in the nineteen
nineties to discuss technology and how it would manifest itself
down the road so that they could put it into
their program.

Speaker 1 (01:00:03):
Yeah, and that's the thing. I think a lot of
people they have.

Speaker 2 (01:00:07):
A photo of that event. This was actually at the event.

Speaker 1 (01:00:12):
Wow. Yeah, I'm not surprised at all. I Mean, this
is when people ask me, why do they talk about
this stuff and these shows if I say, well, because
these engineers they talk to these people, you know, they
talk to these people. I've had people or sci fi
writers reach out to me and they say, hey, I'm
doing this new show. What do you think about the stuff?
I go in here and I'm talking about And sometimes
I look at it and I'll tell them, you know,

(01:00:32):
because a lot of times it's just it's not real physics,
you know, it's just magical stuff or like the plot
doesn't make sense if you think about the physics and
the weapons and the stuff like that as well. And
that's where I want, I truly want the movies to
get better because they're it's just the real technology is
so far beyond what they think that we can do.

Speaker 2 (01:00:47):
Yeah. You know, for about five six years, I can't
watch a superhero movie because everything that show is possible.

Speaker 1 (01:00:53):
Yeah, and it's even better than that. It's like, oh,
the superheroes aren't even doing using magical stuff like we
you know, Thor is not even that powerful. We can
make upon energy weapons and make thora look like a
little baby.

Speaker 2 (01:01:03):
It is complicating. Issue is because when you have a
thing like that. The Tesla logo is a ripoff of
Thor's hammer, the originals hammer, the ucnvasara, and so when
people are looking up Thor's hammer, they're not going to
see a new convsara and realize it's the same as
the Tesla logo. And this really is the most powerful
thing in the universe. It can depressurize space time in

(01:01:25):
front of it and pressurize it behind it. You know,
it is the means by which you do these ridiculous
you know, propulsion technology.

Speaker 1 (01:01:35):
Now one of the propulsion technologies, and I think that
I'm going to start digging into this next week, but
I won't know if you know anything about it. Is
this idea of an X ray laser. Some people have
started pinging me on and I kind of checked my
replies to see there's some you know, people are watching
me and posting a little info in my replies, and
I haven't always caught on. And one of the things
was X ray laser. The reason why I've thought about

(01:01:56):
it is that one of the things I've realized from
the MHE three seven zero videos is that the reason
why the zapp is cold and black and the thermal
is a's a release of either X ray or ultraviolet light.
So now I'm going, oh, now I'm looking for ultraviolet
X ray related technologies. Sure enough, someone posts about X
ray lasers. So the first thing I do is go, look, well,

(01:02:16):
how do you make an X ray laser? Oh, it's
stimulated emission of plasma. Okay, now I'm super interesting.

Speaker 2 (01:02:22):
You can go further than that. You can make gamma
ray lasers. Oh, I'm sure, but the point gamma ray
lasers are really deeply unpleasant and yeah, what do you.

Speaker 1 (01:02:31):
Think I'm doing though? Like, what's the point of them?
What are they actually purposing? Because can this be used
to extract energy from upstream?

Speaker 2 (01:02:41):
When you get so even with a normal laser, you
can get energy densities that will produce almost certainly coherent matter.
And this was a proposal by Low in nineteen seventy
three to do fusion. There's this guy called Low. He
went on to create water clusters. I think I don't

(01:03:01):
know if he's still alive, but there's a website out
there with him. But he proposed in nineteen seventy three
that you could use a laser to for force coherence
and lead to fusion. Now, current lasers you can cut
through quite a depth of steel, like straight through it
Now a laser, the energy is related to the frequency
of the photon, and the photon as it gets higher frequency,

(01:03:24):
it has higher energy. So you could imagine with a
gamma ray laser you can actually cause so with an
X ray laser, you can actually cause atoms to be
highly highly excited and flow very easily. With a gamma
ray laser, you actually will cause nuclear decay. I think
it's called the Oppenheim a physic Phillips reaction, where if

(01:03:44):
you have things in the right place and you hit
it with a gamma you can.

Speaker 1 (01:03:48):
And this is this is actually way How it wouldn't
that be like what we were just talking about, Like
how would that be connected to this idea of just
using the air as a fuel source? Could I'd be
breaking down to stranger.

Speaker 2 (01:03:58):
I don't think. I don't think think it's that complicated.
I just don't think it's that complicated. We're creating ball
lightning with much much lower energies because what you need
is resonance all the time. You have standing waves and
resonance which you can create with phase conjugation and field interference,
you're going to have standing wave nodes that can cohee energy.

(01:04:19):
And we only need to get to a certain threshold
and things start to fall apart. By that, I mean
the first thing that falls apart is like vander Wilf's forces,
then polar bonds like water, and then chemical bonds. To
start with, it would be weak polar bonds, and then
sorry ionic bonds, and then covalent bonds. And then when

(01:04:42):
you go beyond covalent bonds and metal bonds, you end
up starting cluster decay of atoms because an atom isn't
just a whole ball of spheres where every single atom
has the same binding energy and you have to put
that binding energy in to separate out nucleon. You've got
clusters that are connected together with a weaker bit in between,

(01:05:04):
so matter falls apart. This is the basis of my
presentation that I gave last week and published, because what
we see in lower ging nuclear reactions is a fantastic
array of elements that weren't there to begin with, and
it's been very confusing as to why. But if you take,
for instance, of tungster an atom, and you suddenly find
you've got all the carbon magnesium which is double carbon,
and chromium which is quad carbon, and calcium, which is

(01:05:30):
you know, it's all made of alpha particles. You can
imagine a much bigger kind of branch structure with weak bits,
and it's causing that to fall apart. And what is
causing it to fall apart a lowering of the vacuum pressure.
Why is it causing it because you are pulling photons
out of that vacuum and that is what keeps the
atom in its stable state. You remove the pressure and

(01:05:53):
it's just like pulling that fish from the deep ocean
up onto your deck. It turns to jelly or styre.

Speaker 1 (01:05:59):
Because this is this is very very important. Is that
what you described, I think is the physical mechanism by
which this happens. So people wonder how does the stuff
fall apart? Well, it's space time pressure that causes it
to happen. So if you can cause the space time
pressure to occur lack of space time pressure, then you
can cause atoms to fall apart. Now, if you want
to know and see how this happens, google right now,

(01:06:20):
water boiling at room temperature, and what you're gonna find
is all you have to do is you have to
take water in a tube and start carrying it upwards.
And once you get it out like it depends exactly,
but a few hundred feet, all of a sudden, the
water just starts coming apart because of the lack of pressure.
Lack of pressure just causes the water populer. So if
you can cause a situation artificially by which there's a

(01:06:41):
lack of pressure, then you're going to cause the atomic
molecules to just begin to feet.

Speaker 2 (01:06:45):
It's slight those sci fi movies where you see a
guy going outside without spacesuit and they boil.

Speaker 1 (01:06:49):
And that's what I think they're doing with the lasers then,
because that's what I think if we're seeing some type
of endothermic reaction with the scramjet, they must be using
a laser to break apart the mall. You will zap
it away use suck that stuff in, and then that
would be a release of we would be seen as
a form of X ray or something that they're or
higher than that. And if I was looking at a

(01:07:10):
thermal that's going to show up as black, I would imagine.

Speaker 2 (01:07:13):
At least certainly. So when you have an image sensor,
we can come back onto the overall process. But when
you have an image sensor specifically, they typically will operate
in a range of photons. Okay, and I will bring
to the cosmic summer a handheld thermal sensor, and I
will bring the thermal imaging camera and we can show

(01:07:37):
some demonstrations of what these peer with color gradients and
so forth. Okay, So when you what you will go
to any manufacturer, so like what's ours ours is called optris,
to go to optris I R and you can see
a whole range of thermal imaging cameras and they will

(01:07:57):
have a frequency range of photon over which they can see, okay,
and outside of that frequency range, it doesn't see any photos.
So it would appear as black. So that could be
because they're either lower frequency than the frequency range they
can see, or they're higher frequency than the frequency range.

Speaker 1 (01:08:15):
I used to think that it was just because they
were called, and now I know that's not the case.
Because if it was just cold, we would see a gradient.
It wouldn't just be black. You would see like a
light black, or you see this merge. But the fact
that it's just black, straight black, I mean, they're just
not seeing anything there.

Speaker 2 (01:08:33):
Because they're all blue shifting. Because they when you get
those three orbs and they're joining together and they make
a self similar object at the quanta of the level
above fractal level above, and as that pinches in, you're
changing the space time metric in there, and so that
will blue shift the light and it happens so rapidly
that it immediately goes to outside of the range of

(01:08:54):
the bolometer the thermal imaging camera, and it just appears
as a black hole. It's not a black hole. It
is a thing that's kind of like a black hole
because you see it as a black hole, but it's
not a black hole. It's just black in the imaging exactly.
It could be a black hole, and it likely is
a black hole, but what you're seeing is a black
hole caused the imaging, right And in the other camera
you're seeing an eye would argue it's it's you're seeing optical.

(01:09:17):
And as it goes from the thermal imaging and it's
blue shifted, it will blue shift through the thermal IYR
will shift through the optical which is already out of
the IR range, and then off to the UV and
X ray soft x ray two killer electron volts normally,
and so you will see the flash and as that

(01:09:40):
goes takes all that thermal photons blue shifts it to
too visible yep.

Speaker 1 (01:09:47):
Okay, well, so if people are interested in more in that,
I'm going to be researching. I think that they all
these things also have a million different names too. That's
how they also hide it. So they're calling it free
electron lasers. So when I start looking around through the dirds,
of course I have like a fifty hits for a
free electron laser, I'm going, okay, yeah, I think we
might have it here because I think that the plasmas
what we're going to find is that This is the
crazy part is I don't even know how many Nobel

(01:10:07):
Prizes had they are it's hard to even count at
this point. But you just start with free energy plasma
ball that has no physical confinement, that is producing over unity,
and then you turn into a Swiss army. And if
now I can just shoot some plasma this way as
a free electron beam, and if I want to propel
that way, I can do something like that. Maybe I
can jam these things together and start bringing.

Speaker 2 (01:10:26):
To help you in two ways.

Speaker 1 (01:10:28):
Please.

Speaker 2 (01:10:28):
One the Solin pattern Miklsolin of nineteen ninety two. It
is awarded under the Russian Federation just after the end
of the Cold War. This is technology that was developed
during the Cold War. They used a massive free electron
laser in a melt furnace. This was to melt refractory
materials using a free electron laser. It's a huge device.

(01:10:49):
And what they did is they take tungsten or other
refractory metal. They hit the laser into the tungsten and
it produced a melt zone that went out to an
area where it was solid. So there was a phase
boundary that produced vibe frequencies that the produced standing waves
in that melt with the free electron laser coming in

(01:11:11):
and in that pattern. Bearing in mind, this is five
years before they actually created an officially accepted Bose Einstein condensate.
He said, you get electron solotoms producing two kinds of
magnetic charges. He doesn't say a magnetic north and a
magnetic south monopole, but he says two kinds of magnetic charges,

(01:11:32):
and it calls it a quantum coherent nuclear reactor and
the reactions occur in there.

Speaker 1 (01:11:37):
Now.

Speaker 2 (01:11:37):
Secondly, same thing when Bogdanovich, I think it's in nineteen
twenty twenty one from the Moscow Nuclephysics institute they were doing.
This is not a free electron laser. But here where
I'm going with this. They had electrical discharges and two
hundred bias through water. So water is the fuel going

(01:11:58):
through the water vapor on a hy water jet flow
shearing on the metal and they were firing two thousand
volt discharges through Okay, this produced these ring sola tom plasmoids.
And he has this paper called video recordings of long
lived plasmoids that moved around on the metal surface glowing

(01:12:22):
for two days. Now, when I made a big hooha
about this paper because it was showing something that was
able to stay stable for two days without anyone feeding
any energy and produce light and moving around of its
own propulsion, there was a guy who self proclaimed he
was a military researcher who reached out to me. We'd

(01:12:44):
already be having a conversation, and he said, this is
interesting because we used to use a free electron laser
to harden military landing gear. So they would use this
free electron laser, put it over landing gear, and suddenly
the landing gear was harder. Now you can imagine that's
because it's been compressed in space of time by something
that's going in there. But he said, these little glowing

(01:13:05):
objects were on the land and gear. So he went
back to the people they used to work with, because
they're all retired, and so what did you used to
do with those? Saying, oh, we've just got a wire
brush and brushed them off and go what And he said, well,
did you ever look to see how long they lasted?
He said they were glowing two months later. I can't

(01:13:26):
hear you, sorry, you switched off your audio.

Speaker 1 (01:13:28):
This reminds me of the Marauder program from the early
nineties that I was looking into, where I'm trying to
find really good research on it. It's hard, but essentially
they had this rail gun plasma railgun that they started
on the nineties early nineteen ninety published the work in
nineteen ninety three and publicly said the Golden Marad program

(01:13:49):
was to accelerate highly dense toroids containing plasma's to high
speeds could be used for hypervelocity particles, X ray production,
and electrical power amplification. Supposedly the program was super successful,
but then it just went dark, and then they also
kind of claimed that it wasn't successful at the same time.
So this was exactly the kind of thing I'm looking

(01:14:11):
for because this aligns perfectly with hal Putoff and Ken
Shoulders research in the late nineties or eighties to then
roll into this where they realized, Okay, we can make
balls of plasma. Now can we shoot them? Now? Can
we start to do crazy things with them? I'm guessing
what really happened during this project is they figured out
what you just said, that they can make these stable
balls of plasma, and they went, oh boy, we found

(01:14:32):
something like really big here where it's not just shooting
this plasma something it like crid. They were probably noticed
it was staying stable for like five or ten seconds,
and they're like, wait what And then they take that
to the next level right and start engineering, Oh, we
can potentially do that because listen to this. I'm just
going to read this. In nineteen ninety three, the Phillips
Laboratory developed a coaxial plasma incapable of accelerating one to

(01:14:54):
two milligrams of plasma by up to one billion gs
in a toroid of one meter in diameter the toroid.
They're similar to spiral max but different that an interconductor
is used to accelerate the plasma and that a confined
barrier results from interactions of the toroid with the surrounding atmosphere.
So I mean, what are they saying. They're saying, we're
trying to make a little plasma balls in the sky.

Speaker 2 (01:15:14):
You know, it's one meter in diameter. This is not little.

Speaker 1 (01:15:18):
Yeah, yeah, the one meter one meter in diameter.

Speaker 2 (01:15:22):
And I think I've read this before.

Speaker 1 (01:15:24):
Yeah, yeah, one meter. So you're like, Okay, these aren't
that's that's a big plasma ball, man, that's a big
plasma And the ones we need in the image through
some of zero videos are only like six meters in diameter.

Speaker 2 (01:15:34):
I would not like that coming at me at one
tenth light.

Speaker 1 (01:15:39):
No, I don't think you're gonna see it coming either.
I think you're just gonna not be there anymore.

Speaker 2 (01:15:44):
Yeah. So there's two two points to this. The first
is that Nicola Tesla in nineteen five five disclosed what
he called electrical particles of mata gun. If you go
to the Martin Fleischer Memorial project and type in Tesla,
I think it's about the third or fourth thing, and
it links out to a discussion on this, But it
looks like an EVO gun. He either fed tungsten wire

(01:16:06):
through as the electrode or a fluid mercury that forms
a tailor cone really high pulsed electricity, and it goes
through what's called an open ended vacuum tube. So he
had compressed air or dry steam coming through the outside
so that it produced a deep vacuum in the launch chamber,
so that the launch chamber came out and produced what

(01:16:27):
he called an electrical particles of matter gun. And that
was in nineteen thirty five. And so there's that, and
I'm just trying to think what the other point was. Anyway,
this is doable. It's been doable for a long time.
And oh yeah, so yeah, if you go to our

(01:16:50):
I did a steam it blog on this. I think
it was on X look up Jenna Moosa in June.
I think it was twenty seventeen. She describes how the
US military phone the journalists up and they ask them
to put all of their metal and electronic equipment on
the ground, otherwise they will fry like isis. And this

(01:17:13):
is because the US dropped what they call their electricity bombs,
and they have no idea, no one, no other name
for them, because there seems to be a lot of
electricity discharging when these things hit them, and everyone fries
if they've got any metal. They're all their combs or
whatever just blow up. So you can go and have
a look at this. And they literally show a US

(01:17:35):
military guy holding up an Isis sword. One's presumed it's Isis.
It's in the same thread, and the sword looks like
it's been at the bottom of an ocean for about
a thousand years. It's got like all this ridiculous rust
on it. And if a guy was walking around with
a rusty sword, that's not a thing to be proud
about it, right. I think that got rusty because it's
full of these structures that pull in oxygen. Love to

(01:17:58):
pull in oxygen, pull in moisture, and it rapidly decays
the metal. It's a signature of the effect. So I
think these were used to end ISIS in a couple
of weeks back in the first Trump he unleashed several
unused weapons in that process.

Speaker 1 (01:18:17):
No, man, So I want to read off some of
these locky Martin pats. I think we'll kind of wind
down the conversation, but I want to go through some
of this because one of the things I did so
I was looking at some of the patents that were
out there by Lockheed Martin looking at this plasma stuff
kind of look at the history of it, and I
asked the AI, you know, look at this idea of
you know, these plasma orbs, and tell me which patents

(01:18:39):
Locking Martin might have to be Brellan from before twenty sixteen,
so pretty older ones. Systems and Methods for Plasma Propulsion
two thousand and six pretty much exactly the same as
what the Marauder program was talking about, systems for generating
coherent matterwave beams. Of course, we've got our one and
only favorite. It came back with heating plasma for fusion
power using magnetic field oscillation twenty fourteen. That one, I

(01:19:04):
knew you might like that one, because not only is
vortex motion one way to stabilize, but squeezing vibration, I
think is going to be another way they can be done.
And this one even says Marauder connection. The patents focus
on compact plasma confinement resonates with Marauders magnetized toroids, suggesting
a shared interest in controlling plasma structures. And then another one,

(01:19:26):
there's only I think one or two more magnetic field
plasma confinement for compact fusion reactor Lockheed Martin, twenty fourteen.
This one says the compact plasma confinement mirrors marauders to
roidal formation, suggesting Lockheed Martin's expertise and magnetized plasmas.

Speaker 2 (01:19:43):
And then the last one, Yeah, student skunk Works, they've
been talking about using that in a small reactor, and
they talked about it at least five years ago, saying
they would have a reactor ready in five years. I
don't know when they are with that, because oh, I.

Speaker 1 (01:19:56):
Think they had the reactor ten years ago, twenty years ago.
And then the last one just in encapsuling in magnetic
fields for plasma confinement defines a reactor with an open
field magnetic system and encapsuling magnetic coils forming a magnetosphere
to confine plasma. I mean to me, that sounds like
I don't see anything about.

Speaker 2 (01:20:13):
Walls on that.

Speaker 1 (01:20:15):
So my takeaway from those is, Wow, they have figured
out perfect plasma confinement and they're hiding it. And then
it's like, holy crap, if that is true. I keep
thinking about what Elon Musk has been saying about if
they knew if they had this, they would be take
putting me out of business. Why aren't they doing that?
Why aren't they The answer is money. They don't hear

(01:20:37):
about money, They don't care about money. Money doesn't matter them.

Speaker 2 (01:20:40):
The easiest thing is to make weapons. If you've got
something that likes to chew stuff up and turn it
to dust or jelly, then then and you don't have
to worry about confinement, because you're just trying to make
things disappear. You know, it's the upper hand of all
upper hands. If you can make things fall apart and
you don't even see it coming, and once it's gone,

(01:21:01):
it's just a pile of dust and you don't even
know what it was before. Right, You want to keep
that to your chest, isn't It isn't about do we
want to make people's you know, coffee cheap. It's to keat.

Speaker 1 (01:21:14):
It's not about It's not about being the richest person
in the world either. It's not about that at all.
It's like, once you have a billion dollars, you're good
to go. You can do anything you want for the
rest of your life. After you have a billion dollars,
It's not about being the richest anymore. It's about who's
got the most power. And how do you have power? Well,
you have weapons that can vaporize people, that can teleport things.
You control the banking system, you control people's perception of it.

(01:21:36):
That's power. Who cares how many billions of dollars.

Speaker 2 (01:21:39):
You have you run? What they're running for now is
energy sources that can power AI, which means they can
monitor everyone in real time and poke them in a
direction through nudging. In any way, can I just give
a quick rundown of how I see the process as
as in my mind at this current time, just as

(01:22:03):
a short overview essentially. In that paper by BOGDANOVICHATAOL twenty
twenty one, Videogal Recordings of Long Lived Plasmoids, they reference
the paper I was aware of before from a guy
called Vishnevski. It was given an ASTCI conference in two
thousand and eight, and he talks about how using standard

(01:22:23):
mainstream mathematics you can create a diraq monopoles quasi topological monopole.
Heny describes that you get these electrons that are out
of phase, they come down, become cooper pairs, and they
go down to is what is called in the Kerr
human type of black hole, a ring singularity. It's a

(01:22:44):
ring of coherent electrons are the very specific limit by
which they can go and accumulate energy. That means your
magnetic strength goes up and up and up, and when
you exceed ten to the fifteen teslas, you start pulling
photons out of the vacuum. And when you reduce the
amount of photon pressure in the vacuum, atoms start to

(01:23:05):
fall apart. And the next step is that your protons
go through color disconfinement and you get quarks and gluons,
and the quarks as you pull them out of a
proton and a neutron, they actually synthesize an antiquark from
the ether. You have to give it enough energy for

(01:23:27):
it to synthesize an antiquark, and when it does that,
you get mesons, and mesons decay into electrons, photons and neutrinos.
The neutrinos go away, So you're converting matter directly into
electrons and photons, and this is the core that drives
the oval magnetohydrodynamic structure. And any matter it doesn't whether

(01:23:49):
it's bogies or defecate into it, you can do whatever
you like. It's fuel any matter because when you have
a significantly strong magnetic field mataphalls apart. And there is
a guy called Kramer in nineteen eighty three that discussed this.
Once you create a magnetic monopole in this case is
pseudo magnetic monopole topological monopole. Using this Visionevski process, you

(01:24:14):
end up being able to disassemble matter and that gives
you unlimited energy. And because the structure itself is a
form of propulsion, the food that you feed it from
in front, which it pulls out of the way, depressurizing
the vacuum in front, and as it comes in behind,
that feud that comes in behind drives the magneta hydrodynamic
process and it becomes what is called a quark gluon plasma,

(01:24:39):
specifically electron quark gluon plasma. And when you have an
electron quark gluon plasma, this produces a much smaller structure
that is able to do the MHD because quarks and
cells have a negative charge, that produces a magneta hydrodynamic
structure not of electrons, but of quark gluon plasma. And

(01:25:01):
this is what Ken Shoulders referred to. This guy called
s v Adamenko Adamenko has a book. It's called Controlled
Nuclear Synthesis, and when I was verifying my thinking, it's
literally in that book. It's seven hundred and fifty pages.
You can go and buy it now on my ex
for the Martin Fleischmann WORIM project. Guy called Eden has

(01:25:22):
just published a PDF downloadable. You can go and have
a look at it. Search in. You know, it's one
hundred and sixty pound book. I encourage people to buy it,
but I can't stop him. He's posted this link so
you can go and have a look at it. You'll
see quark, glue and plasma all over that.

Speaker 1 (01:25:38):
And so I.

Speaker 2 (01:25:41):
Just last point. You can get a quart glue on
plasma that's less than seven hundred seven hundred nanometers, which
is smaller than the small size of one micron from
the minimum exotic vacuum object, and that can produce the
field of ten to into the fifteen tesla. So it

(01:26:01):
becomes self sustaining at that point. So what I'm just
described to you there is how you can convert an
electrical pulse of coherent matter into a topological monopole that
gets to through resonans, a coherent energy magnetic field that
depreciates the vacuum pressure by capturing photons into the event

(01:26:23):
horizon of the Kernuman black hole, and that leads to
the disassembly of matter through all of the strengths of bonds.
You can have all the way down to quark gluons,
and then you get a different It's a phase change.
This isn't a solid, this isn't a plasma. This is
a quark gluon plasma, specifically an electronquark glue on plasma,

(01:26:44):
and that forms a plasmoid in the pattern of the
original plasmoid, which can shrink down further. It's fricking amazing.

Speaker 1 (01:26:51):
I want to explain because this is ASO sounds like
what I think Randall Mills understand. He's trying to make
sense of what he knows is possible scientifically, so I
think he has to his credit he explains what you said,
which I would call the life cycle of energy and matter,
because the concept is if you convert matter to light,
matter to energy, you are extracting or you are either

(01:27:15):
expand expanding or contracting space time in that process. So
now it becomes a reversible process if you want to,
I think, let me say this correctly if you convert
matter to energy, you are expanding spacetime, I think, and
I think if you're converting energy back to matter, you're
contracting it. I may have that back. So I'm just
gonna be I'm gonna say it confidently. We're just gonna

(01:27:36):
hope that it works out. But isn't that really simplified,
because now when you understand that you can engineer physical reality, you.

Speaker 2 (01:27:46):
Can both matter out of what apparently is nothing, and
you can unlike mata exactly. It's God's toolbox and it's
it's fricking amazing. Everything that I've just told you is
mainstream physics. It does not need any will talk. And
you can go and look up quark, glue and plasma
now on Wikipedia and you will see that it is

(01:28:06):
the prima materia. It is the state of the universe
before hadrons, which are quark antiquarks like mesons and baryons,
which are up down quarks in packets of three, where
the color charges add up to white, which are your
neutrons and protons. So this is the pre state or

(01:28:27):
before me, before hadrons and baryons. So you are literally
creating inside the core of these structures a little new universe. Wow.

Speaker 1 (01:28:39):
I think that's a good spot to end it. I
think we have now just kind of blown the lurd
off of everything related to plasma, cold fusion, free energy,
and literally just the nature of the universe as smaller
scale engineering reality all the way up. Bob Green here,
thank you so much for being on my podcast today.

Speaker 2 (01:28:58):
Go ahead, it's a pleasure.

Speaker 1 (01:28:59):
Shout out thing you want to shout up?

Speaker 2 (01:29:01):
Yeah, please come to my blog at remote view dot
I see you. Please go and look at the work
of this guy god, what's his name, sb Adamenko. Go
and have a look. There's a link someone's put it
on my x the MFMP at MFMP YouTube channel, and

(01:29:24):
go and have a look. Listen to my last presentation
that I gave, and I'm going to do a huge
presentation tonight on consciousness and how this fits in. It's
going to be pre recorded. It's the presentation I gave
last week, and I think it's going to make a
lot of sense. It's going to tie in how the
reasons why people can summon these things can control this
technology through consciousness, and I think it's going to be

(01:29:46):
a bit of a shock people.

Speaker 1 (01:29:48):
Oh that's going to be awesome. Bob Well, thank you
very much, can't wait to see your Cosmic summit, and
thank you everybody else forward to see you guys later later,

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