The Healing of Dissociative Disorder Part 2 of 3

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Episode Transcript

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Welcome to Healing Begins. My nameis Pastor Gale, what the Healing Begins
podcast channel, and this is MichelleHutchinson with the Mindset Exchange podcast. Well,
we are talking about a very interestingsubject, and right at the very
beginning, I want we want tomake something abundantly clear, and you want
to share what you were just sharingwith me before we come on the show.

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Yeah, I was just thinking aboutyou know, sometimes when we talk
making sure that we're separating out whenwe talk about these concepts body, soul,
and spirit. You know, wereally are talking about them in three
different from three different approaches. However, many time times we can leave those
three different approaches together. So youwere referencing the spiritual end of multiple personality

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disorder, which by the way,is an old name for the diagnosis and
the DSM. The disorder is nowcalled disassociative disorder. So I wanted to
bring some clarification and make sure thatwe stated clearly if you're experiencing the associative
disorder, that does not mean thatyou have been involved in satanic ritual.

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You were talking about this, PastorGale, from the spiritual perspective, there
are many people, or most peoplethat come out of satanic ritual practices that
then do experience multiple personality because ofthe trauma they experienced within those rituals.
And then there are many people whohave experienced trauma in our lives who then

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experienced associative disorder because of the brain'sneed to cope with the depth of trauma
that they've experienced. And it's oneway that some people who have experienced trauma
and coping with life. So I'mhoping that we've brought some clarity to the

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conversation a little bit. So let'sgo into that a little bit more.
So, Let's set satanic ritual abusedaside for a moment, and let's just
talk about how someone might get diagnosedwith the associative disorder, Like what I
mean by what might they experience thatwould cause the personality to split because it

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is so traumatic they can't handle it. What might we be talking about?
Sure, I mean, we reallycan't identify what it is that would make
this happen to someone because every brainresponds differently. A lot of times,
there's a genetic vulnerability in the brainthat then experiences a severe trauma, and

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the way that that brain copes withthe severe trauma could look like dis associative
disorder. But oftentimes it's early sexualtrauma that triggers this. It's early physical
abuse and neglect that's pretty severe thatwill trigger this in someone whose brain already

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has a neurological disposition to be lessresilient. So I have found I have
had several clients at the age offive, six or seven that were sexually
abused, and I found in themthey had suffered with some form of dissociative
disorder, so then that had nothingto do with ritual abuse. And so

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what we did was help them andif the personnel these parts were free enough
to talk because they get really reallytouchy, because you have the protector that
will take your head off in aheartbeat because their job is to protect the
host personality. And so you canget them to trust and talk to you

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and give their jobs to Jesus Godcan heal that part of the personality and
there can be integration back. Ican't stress us enough. The healing work
in this arena takes time and itand you got you need. You need

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a good person that knows how todo healing work, and you need a
really great therapist that knows how todo great counseling work, because you don't
want to put them through healing workand not have counseling work. And then
you've got to have one more thing. You know what it is? These
people poor. They don't have moneyand they don't have insurance. So you
have to have a way of fundingto be able to take care of these

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people. And so this is veryimportant. So we're talking about taking care
of them therapists, the person doingthe healing work, and the funding so
person can get the treatment because treatmentdon't go on for two or three weeks.
Yeah, not everyone's poor, ButI was thinking about that that often
people with this disorder have less financesbecause of how much their life's been impacted

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by the disorder. And you know, you said something a moment ago that
I'm thinking about our audience, andwe have such a variety of listeners that
I want to make sure that we'rebreaking down everything that we're saying. When
you say that these personalities have ajob, I think it's important that we
talk about this because talking about itand bringing understanding to our listeners who maybe

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haven't had this experience themselves, thatactually makes what's happening in someone's life less
scary. The job. The personalityhas a job that actually means that if
my personality is to that exhibits itselfin this moment, is this very shy,

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with drawn child, the job ofthat personality is to somehow protect me
in some way. And then ifthe next personality that comes out is boisterous
and loud and bold and says anythingthey want to say and they tell you
off, then guess what that personalityhas a job. So this is where

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the fracturing happens to the main identitybecause in the trauma, maybe somebody wasn't
able to step up and advocate forthemselves or stop the trauma, and so
then as they're coping and processing,the brain splits off into all of these
ways that it may have wanted toor may want to fill try to protect

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one but can't do it in theconfidence of their own identity because of the
damage of trauma. So I lovethat word job. It takes it away
from oh, you have a bunchof demons and you're crazy to know my
mind is so split that I haveto find ways to advocate for myself and
it looks very different than maybe youor I would try to advocate for ourselves.

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So let me explain what I meanjob. So one personality's job might
be the protector, so they're they'remean and they're going to protect the host
at all costs. Another personalities jobmight be to handle the feelings and emotions.
That's their total job. Now youcan see that Jesus wants to handle

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all this for us, right,and so the personalities are actually doing the
very thing that Jesus wants to helpthem live. And so then you have
the host that's the whole podcast initself. Pastor Gale, I know.
Then you talk about the host.Now I'm going to have to give definition
to the host. So the hostis the personality that is out doing the

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day to day activities, going towork, taking care of the kids.
But the host has these other twopersonalities helping them, protect them, helping
them with their emotions. Otherwise theycouldn't function. So you could have somebody
working in a workplace with several personalitiestotally functioning because they get other personalities doing

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certain jobs that they can handle.Because there's feelings, motions, and memories.
So you get them in a counselingsetting, Oh my goodness, and
those personalities don't want to come out. And here's the danger point. Sometimes
the host don't know they have anysplits. They don't they don't know that

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there's other personalities that got to thereally careful because when all of a sudden
they can hear somebody else and theyrealize this was going on, they feel
like they're going insane in some wayswhen actually they're just coming to grips with
how they've been coping, how they'vebeen Now I know that I'm getting into

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the weeds here and people are saying, how do you know so much in
this arena? While a thousand hourswith this, working eight hours a week
with this alone was part of mytraining, I mean right with hands on
experience, and I gotta tell youwow over the head. I can't say

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over the head and through the bushes, I mean really, And you have
to be very gentle with the person. I never raised my voice. I
talk softly, even if even ifI think that I have a demon situation
I'm dealing with, I will neverraise my voice because a loud voice don't

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mean power and authority. It justmeans you have a loud voice, and
that person's already been traumatized. Yeah, that's right. So when a piece
of the personality does come out andthey do want to talk to me,
I make sure they know they're safe, that I'm safe, and that they're

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loved. I don't think they're crazy. And then I begin to get to
know that part of the personality.It's kind of like introducing them to Jesus
all over again, to helping themunderstand that Jesus came to heal them that
part of that personality. I knowthat sounds crazy, but only he can

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take that piece heal it so it'sready to integrate. Oh that's the Lord's
work. Yeah, Pastor Gale,I just have to say, for a
moment here, that's the beauty ofcarrying the Holy Spirit within us and learning
and understanding healing work with people,because when you carry Holy Spirit, you

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carry Jesus. I actually have totake a minute and talk about your most
recent book as we record this podcast. As I was reading this book,
I listened to testimony after testimony thatyou wrote, and it made me think

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about how much you carry Holy Spiritwith you. I could sense it.
I actually felt like, now I'mnot idolizing, Okay, but my heart
was so sensitive to the spirit ofthe Lord. I felt like I was
encountering the Spirit of the Lord becauseof the humility that you walk in and
the way that you carry your relationshipwith the Lord. And so we cannot

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talk about healing in the context ofbeing Christians and understanding clinical healing and spiritual
healing without saying it's so important howyou carry Holy Spirit and the power and
the authority that you walk in thatthen you were able this is what I'm
hearing from Holy Spirit while you're talkingthat then you were able to reintroduce I

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know this is non traditional clinical,but that you were able to introduce each
of those splintered, broken hearts ofsomeone's personality to the Spirit of God because
you carried it in gentleness, humility, and love, and that allowed such

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psychological safety in the brain that thereweaving of the rope came together. And
I feel the glory of the Lordall over the right now. I actually
believe that as people are listening tous, that there's an impartation of that

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reweaving of the Holy Spirit. Ican feel it at work right now.
Well, yeah, it's a verypowerful thing. Let's talk about the Let's
go into this a little more.Let's talk about a personality who's the protector.
Do you know how hard it isto protect a person It's an impossible
job. Well, finally, whenthat personality, I'm going to say another

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thing here, it's going to freakpeople out. They're not going to understand
it. Sudden that part of thepersonality will stop. I said, what's
going on. Let's just say,a man in white is coming to me.
I go, what We ask himwho he is? He says,
he's Jesus. I say, lookinto his heart. What do you tell

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me what you see? Oh,he's so kind. I said, do
you want to go with him?Yes? Can I go with him?
And all of a sudden that partdisappears and somebody else comes out. Then
later the part comes back and they'recompletely different because they went with Jesus and
he did healing on that part ofthe personality. Well, let's talk about

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the one that's handling the feelings andemotions. How hard is it to do
that? It's impossible. Well,Jesus died for our feelings. He died,
and he was wounded for our emotions. And if they'll just give their
job to him. He'll give healingto them. And it's this whole part

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of working with the personality. They'rereweaving it together like some thirty nine is
right back to where God and tendedit to be in the first place.
That is a big deal there is. I can sense the presence of the
Holy Spirit right now. This isa big deal. So and I can't

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tell you how many personalities and howmany jo they had, and oh my
gosh. And it's just reintroducing themto the one that died for them that
would like to And you know what, some of them accept Jesus into their
heart when the host is already aChristian. That'll freak you out right there.

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I've probably done some false doctrine andsome people's opinions right now, but
I'll be working. Let's just sayI was working with a let's go back
to the sire a minute, andlet's say I'm working with a part of
the personality that's what we call cultloyal okay, so satanic, yes,

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yes, within the Christian who gotsaved, they could still have some personality
parts that are still loyal to thecult. Well, I would introduce that
person to Jesus and then when hecomes, they get freaked out and they
get afraid because they're told Jesus asbad because in the occult they dressed people

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up like Jesus and they abuse theirfollowers. But then when they look into
his heart and see how good heis. So when the personality comes and
they're talking to you, I reallywant the Lord to come and introduce himself.
So I'll say to that personality,can we pray a minute for Jesus

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to come so you can see himand talk to him. Some will go
I don't know about that, andothers will go okay, so let's pray
and know how their eyes shut.And I'll say, is Jesus coming?
There's a man in white coming?And then I'll say, Lord, I
pray against all false Christ that allthey can see to do. And as

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a man in white approaches, whatdoes he dress? He has a sash,
a golden sash, and he's dressedin white. Is he's talking to
you? Yeah, he wants meto go with him. He's holding out
his hand. Well, what areyou gonna do? You're gonna go with
him? And so then you introducedthat personality partner Christ. This is exciting,

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but it takes a while, Ittakes time and patience. But that's
also the clinical approach that we knowis best for the human brain and mind,
because again we're talking about two differentthings. We're talking about a spiritual
component and we're talking about a physiologicalcomponent in the natural realm. Something you

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just said I think is really important. You know, we have to My
mind as a Christian, can't stopthinking about. But it's so easy to
jump to Many Christians would say,oh, well, that's demonic. Each
of those personalities is demonic. Butas you were talking, I was thinking,

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you know, the beauty of trustingthe Holy Spirit, trusting the Lord
and introducing people in personalities to theLord is if there is any demonic in
there, then when you bring Jesusit cannot stay. And so just as
you said, we don't have toyell, We don't have to, you

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know, be intimidating. We don'thave to destroy someone's psyche. We don't
have to try to figure out ifthere's a demon or not. We just
bring Jesus into the picture, andJesus brings the healing through love. That's
the beauty of what I'm hearing here. And so then it's in the unconditional
love and the support and the bringingand encounter of Jesus, that wholeness happens

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because we see a lot of timesin the Christian realm demons can be cast
out, but guess what, behaviorpatterns don't change, and people might not
change because there might not be fullbody, soul and spirit healing. And
then often we see, you know, people spending time with therapists for years
and years and years understanding their personalities. But maybe we don't see a reweaving

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of the wholeness of identity because thereare some spiritual aspects there that you speak
out with. The example you justgave is a beautiful example of moving and
love and wholeness of healing. Iwant to pray for our audience that is
listening that the angels of heaven wouldminister to the wounded, because you know,
there's going to be people that listento this that have been diagnosed with

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dissociative disorder. I know you mighthave that label, but that is not
who God created you to be.You are one person with many faces to
your personality. And I once againwant to differentiate between satanic ritual abuse and
between trauma splitting through trauma, throughtraumatic events that you can handle. And

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so I can't emphasize enough. Andthese people will go through tons of rejection,
They go through feeling not wanted,not cared for, that no one
will love them. And many times, guess what, Michelle, they go
to churches and they get pushed awayas outcasts because the church doesn't know really

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how to handle this. It's notequipped for it, Michelle. Right,
you know we need we need towrite a book on this, I think,
and we need to develop there needsto be a team assembled to handle
this. Like we don't deal withsrimpd here, we don't think with satanic
virtual abuse. You say, whywe're not equipped for it? It's too

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much, it's too beyond our scope. Now, have I worked with some
multiple personalities that have been split throughnormal trauma. Yes, if you can
call trauma normal, what you cannotbecause trauma trauma is trauma's trauma, right,
and so the development brain. Ohand and can you imagine if you

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are if the trauma happened at throughtwo or three different ages, and so
you have two or three different fractures, and you have two or three maybe
personalities that are at two or threedifferent ages. And now I want to
say this. I'm not saying becauseyou went through trauma you have a personality.
I'm not saying that at all.You need to hear me out.

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What I'm saying is getting healing foryour hurts, for your wounds for your
trauma is critical and your development mentally, mostly mentally, spiritually, physically all
the way around. So in Partthree we'll talk more about where where vows

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and false belief systems come in.This is something I'm passionate about. We
have to understand how powerful vows canbe when they come out of our mouth,
intentional or not, and then howthey impact our thinking and create a
foundation that hosts a lot of unhealthythings well, and then those beliefs ms

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cause people to develop strongholds, whichcauses them to go off in wrong directions.
So I want to pray right now, Father, under the sound of
our voice, I just want tothank you for everyone that's listening. Lord,
we release the healing of Jesus.And Lord, I asked for everyone
that's listening that your healing presence wouldsaturate them spirit, soul and body.

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And as even as I'm praying,I'm seeing a vision of your healing going
between the different personalities, bringing hope, healing and integration back into that person
life. We pray for the sovereign, supernatural hand of the Lord to touch
his person that is listening, sothat they know there's hope and that they

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can grow beyond where they're at.Lord, let them know that you have
always loved them, and you knowwherever they're at, and you care for
them and Jesus name aim men.Well. Part two has gone really fast.
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